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Speaker 1: Hey, what up? Welcome in This is uh all ball,

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Speaker 1: all basketball, all the time. We have Mark Titus who's

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Speaker 1: gonna join us on this week's All Ball. That's right.

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Speaker 1: Club Trill part of Titus and Tate, which is another podcast.

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Speaker 1: It does a great job. Former walk on Ohio State

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Speaker 1: a little bit of his life story that he's gonna

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Speaker 1: share with us. Uh, not talking a lot of college

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Speaker 1: Trill became Club Trill. We'll get to that upcoming. First, though,

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Speaker 1: I want to give you a couple of college basketball

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Speaker 1: my thoughts on both Lebron and his dominating performance over

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Speaker 1: Zion and the Lakers and Zion Williamson what you're seeing. First,

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Speaker 1: in terms of college basketball, we do this thing where

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Speaker 1: nothing's kind of ever good enough. I would generally tend

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Speaker 1: to agree if you said that this year's Gonzaga team

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Speaker 1: would lose to the last year's consecutive I've never actually

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Speaker 1: seen any tournament where one team has to play against

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Speaker 1: previous year's teams anyway. Right, So with that mind, why

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Speaker 1: do we operate under this hard and fast dance that

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Speaker 1: there are no great or dominant teams. Let's let's take

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Speaker 1: Kansas right. Let's say Kansas. Kansas is twenty five and

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Speaker 1: three in the Big twelve. One of those losses was

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Speaker 1: to Duke in November November five. So do I think

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Speaker 1: they're better than Duke now? Sure? Do I think Duke's

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Speaker 1: improved now? Sure? But that's one of the ways we

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Speaker 1: call them, we say no great teams. They beat Dayton

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Speaker 1: the Big Colorado. Those are two n c A tournament teams.

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Speaker 1: Dating will probably be a two seat two seed Colorado, who,

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Speaker 1: by many people's observations, might be the best team or

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Speaker 1: and down losses. They lost to Nova. That's a mad

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Speaker 1: always a bad matchup for them, and game was not

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Speaker 1: played at home. They lost the Baylor at home. After

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Speaker 1: losing the Baylor, they've gone on to not lose a

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Speaker 1: They beat Baylor at Baylor. They beat West Virginia at

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Speaker 1: Tech last game of the year. But Texas Tech, of

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Speaker 1: course reached the reached the final four last year. Pretty

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Speaker 1: much shredding everywhere when in their steps. So why do

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Speaker 1: we not consider them a great team because they lost

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Speaker 1: is Gonzaga not a great team because they lost a

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Speaker 1: game to b Y? You like, past Gonzaga teams have

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Speaker 1: You were sat Mary's. It doesn't make any sense to

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Speaker 1: these teams don't have to compete against those teams against

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Speaker 1: this year's competition. I find it hard pressed to not

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Speaker 1: think that Gonzaga, that Kansas, even Sandy U State that's

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Speaker 1: many coaches. I look at what McK cronin is doing

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Speaker 1: which again nothing short of amazing. It does help St.

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Speaker 1: Who's I mean that guy can get buckets. He's had

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Speaker 1: that I would think Mick Cronin will ultimately get at

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Speaker 1: So I just it's weird. Cronin wins a ton of

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Speaker 1: conference slate matters for some, it does not do. I

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Speaker 1: think the PACTOVA is great. No, no, I think Oregon

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Speaker 1: making sense, I don't know if I'm making sense. I

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Speaker 1: them on Selection Sunday. Let's see what happens is then

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Speaker 1: when the Arizona schools come coming, come come calling this week,

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Speaker 1: He still doesn't shoot it that well. He'll shoot it better.

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Speaker 1: He's club trilled to so many of you. He's Mark Titus,

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Speaker 1: I believe on his birth certificate is it Marcus or

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Speaker 1: it is Mark? Yeah? Yeah, it's no Mark. There's no Marcus.

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Speaker 1: One of those upset you know, white guy with a

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Speaker 1: asked that a lot. Um, my name is Mark. It

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Speaker 1: Marcus would have been a lot cooler though, that would

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Speaker 1: have been definitely awesome, But no, it's just Mark. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: I I was two years older than Gordon, and Gordon

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Speaker 1: So how good were you? I was? Okay, this is

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Speaker 1: so here what happened. They were recruiting me, and um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: recruited by Harvard. And I'll never forget this I I.

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Speaker 1: I played AU with Oden and Conley and Dai Kwon

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Speaker 1: youth teams of all time. I would say, the greatest.

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Speaker 1: We'll go back to the Harvard thing. Now you went.

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I want to get in this game,

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Speaker 1: Like how do I get? And then a halftime comes

427
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:04,480
Speaker 1: and I come out. I'm like, I'm gonna kill I'm

428
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 1: just gonna take over and just let go nuts and

429
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,600
Speaker 1: then this is gonna be great. And then I came

430
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,359
Speaker 1: out and he wasn't there, and I scored seventeen and

431
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,920
Speaker 1: way one and it didn't matter. So but it worked

432
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,440
Speaker 1: out for me. So why did you decide Ohio State?

433
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 1: I applied to? So I applied to Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Harvard

434
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,159
Speaker 1: in Ohio State. I got the Harvard, I got the

435
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 1: you're not declined yet, and then when that thing happened,

436
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,920
Speaker 1: they promptly steen me a letter and You're like, we

437
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,919
Speaker 1: don't want you anymore. Um. I got into Vanderbilt and

438
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,919
Speaker 1: I did not get into Northwestern, so uh, and then

439
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,639
Speaker 1: obviously got into a house States. So, um, I I

440
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 1: was going to go to Vanderbilt, but then just to

441
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 1: be a student, like this isn't for basketball, Like I

442
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 1: should make that clear because uh, you know, there was

443
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 1: no play basketball whatsoever. Really, I just kind of given

444
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 1: up the dream there. Um. And then Greg wanted me

445
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 1: to room with him odin you just basically like, dude,

446
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 1: you should just come to Ohiouse State and be my roommate.

447
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 1: And I just started thinking about that more and I

448
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 1: was like that sounds fun. I mean, I was seventeen

449
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 1: years old. I decided I wanted to go to Ohio

450
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 1: State without even visiting the campus. So you were seven

451
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,120
Speaker 1: teen in your graduate eighteen. I think I was sevent

452
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yes, like when eighteen in June, you're young?

453
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. So I I said, like I told Greg, like, sure,

454
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 1: that sounds funny, Greg. Greg's like, let's come be my roommate.

455
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 1: And I started thinking about I was like, yeah, you

456
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be great. It's gonna be fun. Like

457
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 1: what the hell, I'll do it? And the point is

458
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,719
Speaker 1: like I didn't really give it any thought whatsoever. There

459
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 1: was no concentrated like yeah, I'll go here, I'll make

460
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 1: the team, I'll start a blog, I'll have a media care.

461
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 1: It was just like, yeah, that sounds fun, I'll go there.

462
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: You shot up in Columbus, Okay, were you invited to

463
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,159
Speaker 1: walk on tryout? You're on the team, Like, how did

464
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: it work? I showed up to Columbus the first time

465
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: I ever stepped foot on campus, or how the state?

466
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 1: I was moving into my dorm never been there in

467
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 1: my life. Um and uh and where are you rooming

468
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 1: with Craig? No, that was the funniest part. So I

469
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Speaker 1: get there, uh and Greg like, although, as we're moving in,

470
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 1: Greg's like yeah, So I talked to the coaches They

471
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: actually hooked me up with a better dorm. The coaches,

472
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. At this point, I have nothing to

473
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: do with the team. Um, the coaching staff had still

474
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 1: hooked me up because I was Greg's friend. There's perks

475
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: that come with that. UM. So I got one of

476
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Speaker 1: the nicest dorms. I was in the same building as Greg,

477
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: but they did an okay doke on me, and they

478
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: basically put him with Conley and David Lydy and and

479
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 1: de Kuan Quok. They were all like the same, like

480
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 1: kind of big unit, and I got put across the

481
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: hall because my roommate was a guy who ended up

482
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Speaker 1: being a manager with me on the team. Just Jason

483
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,640
Speaker 1: Wageles his name, Yeah he was. He was a friend

484
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: of Greg and Mike's as well. So where's he from.

485
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: He's from Indianapolis, Yeah he was. He was one of

486
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 1: it was only you two or do you have too much?

487
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 1: It was us two. So it was supposed to be

488
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 1: me and Greg in that two person dorm, and then

489
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 1: and then the coaches are like, no, you're not living

490
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 1: with that slap dick. We're putting you over with the other.

491
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 1: So it's a nice dorm. It's a really nice storm.

492
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: So my my first I showed up at Notre Dame.

493
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, they had this deal where your freshman year

494
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 1: you couldn't room with another athlete. Yeah, so I was

495
00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 1: with a guy, Dave Spko from Ohio. Greg dude, super

496
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: nice but like, yeah, you're throwing like you're in a

497
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: I was a nine by twelve. This is like an

498
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: old school like build your own loft type deal, right,

499
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: And I like, I will, I will. I showed up

500
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like like, now, this is a guy you're

501
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: gonna have to live with every day for a year,

502
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: for nine months or whatever it was. It was. It

503
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: was wild, we we we here's this. This was two

504
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: thousand six, the fall of h six. We moved in. Um,

505
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: so you guys have internet then, right, Like yeah, yeah,

506
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: Internet like it was a thing, like everyone had Facebook.

507
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: Facebook had just kind of take it like it was

508
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: just it was still like my Space. My Space is

509
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: still big that. I think Facebook was the big thing.

510
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: Like it was Facebook, but it was only college kids

511
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 1: were on Facebook. It was like cool, Facebook is like

512
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: really really cool to be on Facebook. Here's a Notre Dame.

513
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: They had something called the T shirt, the graffiti dance,

514
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: so uh, you know, even small schools kids when you

515
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 1: first get there, all the freshman they have you do

516
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: freshman Oh. And then they had like they have three

517
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: quads or least back then, they had three quads on

518
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: campus North Quad, South Quad, Got Quad, God Quad is

519
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: where the Golden Dome is whatever, you know, so there's

520
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: dorms each those and they had like a I don't

521
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:13,959
Speaker 1: know if it's I don't know if it's I have

522
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: no idea, I don't know if there's any official but

523
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: it was called god Quad. So you had a there's

524
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: a dance floor in a DJ on all three and

525
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: you'd wear like a white T shirt and you'd bring

526
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Speaker 1: like a sharpie and if you saw a chick you

527
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: want to like get her number, she'd sign her name,

528
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 1: write her name, and then write her like extension. Right.

529
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: That was like these are the days before Facebook. And

530
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: there was like a there's like a general time limit,

531
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 1: like you know that night you could call it check

532
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: next couple, maybe the next week you could like go

533
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: back and like circle the ones that you wanted to remember.

534
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: But like after a week, like if you're calling people

535
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Speaker 1: off the graffiti dance, like I feel like yeah, like

536
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: this is where it kind of lost some of our

537
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: technology has gone bad, Like yeah, so much better than now.

538
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: It's just like you now, she's like Tinder, like she's hot,

539
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: she's not. You know, there's no thought that goes there's

540
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: no Yeah, you don't have to work as hard with tender.

541
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: So I don't think people appreciate it as much as

542
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: as you know, having to wear a T shirt and

543
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: to get a number and remember which you're looking at

544
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: your T shirt and which one was who was the

545
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: was that the girl with the thing or the other girl?

546
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: And so so you got you got Facebook? Okay, So

547
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: did you have to go to tryouts? No? So what

548
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: happened was, um, I got asked to be a team

549
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 1: manager by John Gross who is now the head coach,

550
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: and they're good. Yeah uh he said Akron, Now believe

551
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: yeah he was as was that um and then became

552
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: the Illinois coach. He uh. He was a family friend

553
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: of my dad's. Were actually from the same like west

554
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: side of Indianapolis area. So I knew I knew John

555
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: Gross and know my family forever, and and I got

556
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: to know like fad coach Mada and Gross even better

557
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: like on the AU thing because they were recruiting three

558
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: my teammates. AU teammates end up going to a house state. UM.

559
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: So every time they come to the games, you know,

560
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: they talked to me as like I was the angle

561
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: into like didn't Indiana. Mike Davis was the coach. The

562
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: story there is a fun one. I'll tell you this one.

563
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: Uh uh. Mike Davis is recruiting Connley, so Greg wanted

564
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: to go to Indiana. UM. But Mike Davis all the

565
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: mail that he sent to Mike Conley he addressed to

566
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: Sharon Collins and it would say like like, so Connley

567
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: would get a letter to be like, Sharon, great game

568
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: last night. We're really loving your progress. You're killing it. Whatever,

569
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: And so Mike's dad calls Davis and it's like, hey,

570
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: you're sending a Sharon Collins mail, Like I can't send

571
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: my son to a school if you're you can't even

572
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: get his name right, and and they're like all right,

573
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: all right, we'll take care of it. And then like

574
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: two weeks later, Sharon, you're killing it. We're loving everything.

575
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: And so at that point, Mike Mike Senior, and that's

576
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: an administrative that's like a that's like the lowest guy

577
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: sucking it out. Yeah, and so Mike, Mike seniors, like

578
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: we can't send it like if they can't even get

579
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: your names right, because I mean, I don't blame him,

580
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: and you're a five star guy and you're the best

581
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: player in the state. The kid even you know, the

582
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: second best player. So we used to get these and

583
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if they had when they probably had

584
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: still when you're doing it, whereas they had and you'd

585
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 1: get back from like a camp, especially the lower level camps,

586
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: and they schools had send you like a form to

587
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: fill out, right. And so by my by the time

588
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,719
Speaker 1: I was going to be a senior, I was being

589
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: a crewed by everybody at A guy behind me named

590
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: David Lallas. Arian Lalla went to Notre Dame the year

591
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: after I did. He also transferred, went to Pepperdine. He's

592
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: a lawyer now in l A. But both of us

593
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: we were getting like all these form letters from like

594
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: all kinds of random schools, you know, like you're like

595
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: you said, like the schools that called you like I'm

596
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: not going there, you know, like you know, like not

597
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, not going to East Tennessee. No disrespect to

598
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: East Tennessee Staton with Steve Forbes are doing there now,

599
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: but I'm not going there. So we would get or

600
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: you tea Chattanooga whatever. But also a lot of disrespect.

601
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: It is always something disrespectful, right. So we had a

602
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: we had a kid in our on our high school

603
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: team named Sammy Greece. Sammy was like five eight Egyptian

604
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: super like crazy amount of both facial and body hair

605
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: for a kid of at age, right, no idea how

606
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: to really play basketball, but brilliant and could help us

607
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: study for any of our tests. So we would have

608
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: like Sammy Greece fill out like these forms. And so

609
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: he was getting so you know, like my coach, who's

610
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: at your college coach, he'd come in, He's like I

611
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: got Mayo, got lady, got mail, La La get mail,

612
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: Like Sammy he got mail from West Point. Yeah, so

613
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: he would be on the list. Yeah right, Okay, So

614
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: why didn't Greg go there? Well, because it was he

615
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: was package deal. It wasn't necessarily package deal. I think

616
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: Mike Senior was. Mike Senior was our au coach, Connelly's dad,

617
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: and he was just kind of like the mentor to

618
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: He kind of was the shepherd of of Greg and

619
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: Mike's recruitments, so I don't think. I don't think Mike

620
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: Senior said like, you can't go there. It was more

621
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: of like a Greg, you're because Greg was very naive.

622
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: I think Greg Greg knew he was the number one

623
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: recruiting the country, but he wasn't. He wasn't always sure

624
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: like what that meant necessarily, and I think like Mike was,

625
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: I don't I think Greg with Greg would shrug her

626
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: shoulder and be like, I don't know, coach, seems like

627
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: an honest mistake, And Mike Senior was like, no, we're

628
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: like you you have a brand now, we have like

629
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: you're you're a machine in and of yourself that we

630
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: have to like shepherd you along and make sure you

631
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: don't screw this up. Because this was the start. I

632
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: would say that like Greg, Greg wasn't the first, but

633
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: like that era, my era when I was coming out

634
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: high school, this was kind of the start of you

635
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: you're seeing and you could disagree, you're all that maybe

636
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: this is a fun conversation we could have of shoe

637
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: companies like really going all in on like individual guys,

638
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: and where I just like felt like it was weird

639
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: because like we were playing AU and even when we

640
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 1: were good, it wasn't until like my junior junior year.

641
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: So suddenly, like we're sponsored by all these shoe companies

642
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: and you see it across like the board of AU

643
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: and you're you're trying to connect the dots of how

644
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: this is happening to where it used to be. I

645
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: don't know what what did it used to be? Like

646
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: like you know, like we we um my dad had

647
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: got shoes from Nike very early on because of Sonny Vicarrow,

648
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: but it wasn't necessary. I don't believe Sonny didn't try

649
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: and stee year kids. He just they were long time, long,

650
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: long time friends. And then we were always loyal to Sonny.

651
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: All of our guys would go with the exception of

652
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: modern day kids, they would go to wherever something because

653
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: he left Nike before my like during my sophomore maybe

654
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: my freshman year he left he went to first it

655
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: was first it was Converse. He was Converse for a

656
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 1: couple of years, and then it was Adidas before my

657
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: senior year, and so um, we became like my high

658
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: school was an Adidas. We we got we got adid

659
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: it free, Adidas whatever, And I did his camp and

660
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: I did his All American game. Whatever, just had loyalty

661
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: to him. Um. Yeah, there were there were shoe companies

662
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: that were involved. I don't think they were as they

663
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: were involved more in individual kids, whereas after we got done,

664
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: they started sponsoring programs. Where they got smart was they

665
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 1: would hire a coach like Marvin Bagley's dad was like

666
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: the coach of his a U team. He got paid

667
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: for that, so he became on the Nike pay right

668
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: and then he Choker went to a Nike school. See

669
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,239
Speaker 1: that's what I can't remember. I don't know if did

670
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: this happen when I because I I guess like I

671
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: have the self absorbed view that this was all happening

672
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: first with our group of guys. Um because your experience,

673
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: and it probably hadn't happened in Indiana previously, because there

674
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: hadn't been that collection of town like a freaking NBA

675
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: All Star team. If it was, this was wild because

676
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: you have Sonny. At that point, it was was Reebok

677
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: and he. So we were sponsored by Rebuke. This was

678
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: back when Rebok made basketball, so I don't think they

679
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 1: even do anymore. We were sponsored. Everything was Reebok and

680
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: I remember like by the time I'm a senior, the

681
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: summer leading into my senior high school, I'm flying all

682
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: over the country playing au basketball. Um I have we had.

683
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 1: We had like six different jerseys for a YouTube and black, white,

684
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: alternate read like all sorts of shoes that you could imagine. Um.

685
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: And I remember talking to my dad one time. I

686
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: was like, because it dawned on me, like we're taking

687
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: one of these flights of Vegas, and I'm thinking, like,

688
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: my parents are both teachers, they have we have no money,

689
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: Like I I see what you don't have to pay

690
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: and yeah, we don't have to pay any and and

691
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: I remember thinking like, Dad, are you paying for all that?

692
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: Like do I Am I gonna owe you like thirty

693
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: thou dollars when I get older for for all the

694
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: times He's like, I'm not paying for it. I don't

695
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: know how. I don't know who's paying for it. Yeah,

696
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: there was a team like that. So there's a team,

697
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: famous team in southern California, the guy named Pat Barrett.

698
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: He's had players forever and he had a team that

699
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: had Jason Hart. I was now just Nessy and played

700
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: Syracuse in the NBA. Um Shakott and it was like,

701
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, the best player in his class, you know,

702
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: like Chris Burgess and who was you know, top two

703
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: or three class went to Duke then the Utah's assistant

704
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: by U and they had like one of st and

705
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: they played together from like seventh eighth grade on and

706
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: they never came out of pocket Nike team and they

707
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: all went to Nike schools. I yeah, it is, it

708
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: is okay, so you become a go ahead know. Like

709
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: the point I was bringing this up was like I

710
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: felt the shift to turn it back to the Indiana

711
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: and why Greg didn't go their thing is like I

712
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: felt like Greg, they Adidas then where they come they

713
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: were Adidas. They were always Adidas center and they were

714
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: not they were Nike and OTSU when they lost to

715
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: Maryland in the title game. This is this is my

716
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: thing on I think Indiana needs to go back to

717
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: Nike to get it back. I think that's they gotta

718
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: get their motor back. They gotta go back to Nike.

719
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: That's what I've I've been on that train because Adidas

720
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 1: doesn't love them. Adidas is is corrupt as hell as

721
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: we know, and they're they're fun on everyone to Kansas

722
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: and in Louisville. They don't even love. They gotta go

723
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: back to Nike. They gotta or under arm or something.

724
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: They gotta fund arm. Supposed supposedly kids hate under narmer.

725
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, so I I wanted to. I did

726
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: go to two Nike schools, and I you know, I

727
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: only I like Nike ship. I told this to um,

728
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: it's a friend of mine actually who's pretty high ranking

729
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: Nike guy. I won't I'll I think he's the c

730
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: f Andy Campion. Okay, So Andy has become a friend,

731
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: and I said, and we were talking. We're talking one

732
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: night one day, like the Nike sweet and I know

733
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: the Adie disguise too, you know, like all those guys

734
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: they've kind of all been around hoop forever. And we

735
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: went through like an l A Gear that before you,

736
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: that was an l A Gear fit where l A

737
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: Gear was buying up all the big programs and then

738
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: they were giving free shoes to all the big AU

739
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: teams that ever. And the l A Gear was kind

740
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: of like under armour for a for a couple of

741
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: years there in shack. Anyway, So I told Andy, I said,

742
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: I said, you know, anytime you're in a meeting and

743
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: you guys are feeling like where are we in the landscape?

744
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: I was like, you gotta do this test. Go to

745
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: one of these basketball only facilities in the summer where

746
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: professional guys who play overseas or especially the overseas guys

747
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: and college players come and play. Just go pop in,

748
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: watch the playoff game and look at what kind of

749
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: shoes they wear. Right, It's see what kind of shoes

750
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: would you wear if you weren't getting them for free? Right?

751
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: And my my thing would be, like I do think

752
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: that the dames are really cool and they they're super light,

753
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: but for the most part, everybody was Everybody wasn't like right.

754
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: It's like they're unspoken, like like Nike dudes can be

755
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: super super arrogant because but they have a reason to

756
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: be right, because everybody still wants to work. Everybody wants

757
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: our swag. That's really kind of what it comes down to.

758
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: And if they want some other swag, then they either

759
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: buy that company or they make the exact same thing

760
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: and then put a Nike logo on it and exactly

761
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. Um So so that's you think, why, But

762
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: I think, well, no, I think so. Greg to me,

763
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: the point I'd make is like I felt like Greg

764
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: was one of the first guys where these shoe companies,

765
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: and Sonny in particular with the reebuck Thang said like,

766
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: let's think our teeth into this kid when he's fifteen,

767
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: let's write it out, um, all that sort of thing.

768
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: And I think Mike Senior saw that. So I think, like,

769
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: but Greg was Gregor's not us. Greg thought like Sonny

770
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,959
Speaker 1: Vacara was just his best friend. Greg thought like Sonny

771
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: Vacard just like wanted to like just be buddies and

772
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: and and and so that was like Mike Senior's role.

773
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: And I was like, I have to show Greg like

774
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: the path whatever. So when the Davis thing happened with

775
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: the mail, um, it wasn't necessarily you know it doesn't.

776
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: It was just more of like, we gotta go somewhere

777
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: that that if they can't even get Mike Conley's it's

778
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: a little it's a little thing, but a little things

779
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: are signs of bigger, bigger, And he was Mike was

780
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: Mike was either I think he was director of option.

781
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: Maybe he's in assistant. I visited Alabama when I left

782
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: Utter Dame. Um, I was gonna go and transfer and

783
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: sit out at a place and then I was like nah,

784
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: and so I took my took my visits. My first

785
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: visit was actually an Alabama and Mike Davis was the

786
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: was I think the director of Basto operation. Dave Hobbs,

787
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: who's assist wasn't an assistant at Kentucky was the head

788
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: coach and um, yeah, so I mean, but he wasn't

789
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: like he literally never said a word to me on

790
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: my business, like I've never met so weird. Yeah, I don't.

791
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think we had a problem.

792
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: We I say, we as like we were. We were

793
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: camp the Comley Odin Titus Camp. There's no problem with Davis,

794
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: like as a person, I don't think there's Like at

795
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: the time, he wasn't even considered like that horrible of

796
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: a coach. I mean, he'd come off of the Final

797
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: four No. Two. This was like three years later oh

798
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: five was like when we we were a class of

799
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: oh six, So like he was getting recruited like an No.

800
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: Five whatever. Um, the wheels had completely fallen off on

801
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: the Davis ara to you, yet it was just I

802
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: don't know. I think the writing was sort of on

803
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: the wall. That that, um, you know, he was eventually

804
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: going to get fired though, and and I think they

805
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: just really loved that. I think that's ultimately what it

806
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: was like. I think Mike and Greg both just like

807
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: really really love that. So you're the manager your first year? Yeah,

808
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: so I go the I go when I get the campus.

809
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: The Thad knew me, Gross knew me. They asked me

810
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: to be a manager. Gross explained the role of manager

811
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: as basically the way he explained it to me was

812
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: a walk on. Like He's like, if you're a manager,

813
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna put you in practice against the guys. You're

814
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: gonna run drills, You'll you'll play scout team, you'll do

815
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: I was like, that seems pretty great. I was, I

816
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, he paid for it, don't Uh no, yeah,

817
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: you don't get paid for it. I don't know. I

818
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: don't think so maybe doing some managers. I think by

819
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: your senior year you get paid. I don't know graduate

820
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: managers or something like that. Um, but in my mind

821
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: I was like, listen, I don't want to commit to

822
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: a basketball like I as I just said, like I

823
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: didn't love basketball enough to like fully commit, but I

824
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: still love playing, just not like what it takes to

825
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: play Division one, So uh, I think this is perfect.

826
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: I'll be able to scratch that itch. I I like

827
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: playing ball, but I don't I don't have to commit

828
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: to being on a team full time, and I can

829
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: just kind of pop into practice every so often whatever,

830
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: and then I show up. And obviously the manager role

831
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: is not that. The manager role is wiping up sweat

832
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: and filling up water bottles and rebounding. And that's all

833
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: I did every single day. And I was like, this

834
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: is bullshit. Where when when do I get to make

835
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: it right out here? When do I get to play

836
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: against these guys that And that's what made it worst,

837
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: is like I know all those guys I played with

838
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: in my whole life, and I have to sit here

839
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,479
Speaker 1: and rebound for him and all that kind of stuff.

840
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: I was like, this is this is horrible. So I

841
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: quit that like two weeks in. I call my dad

842
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: and I never quit anything in my life, and I

843
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: that's how I was raised, Like you never ever quit.

844
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: If you sign him for something, you don't quit. I

845
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: call my dad. I was like, Dad, I gotta quit this.

846
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: This is horrible. And he's like, you're not quitting. You're

847
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: definitely sticking with this. Be a manager. You signed up

848
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: for it, right. It out a year and then I

849
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: explained to him. He's like it might get better, just

850
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: wait till the season starts. Um. And then the season

851
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: started to approach and I was like, I can't do

852
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: this anymore, Like I just can't. I don't think I'm

853
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: better than like again, it was like the Division one.

854
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm better than Evansville was just like

855
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: this isn't for me. And it was the same thing

856
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: as managers, like I didn't think I was better than

857
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: all the managers, just like I'm better than all the managers. Um.

858
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: So I ended up quitting that. And then what happened

859
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: was a couple of guys like so, Greg was hurt

860
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: at the time. He had he had his wrist thing

861
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: going into Ohio State, so he wasn't practicing. Um the

862
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: walk on they did have. They played one exhibition game

863
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: and he didn't get in and he got piste because,

864
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: like I guess, he was an upper classman and he

865
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: was like, I thought this was my year. I was

866
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: gonna get minutes. And it's like, buddy, you weren't getting

867
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: minutes before. You're not getting minutes with Greg Oden Mike

868
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: kindly come into town and then the number one team

869
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: in the country. Yeah, I don't. I don't know what

870
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: you thought. But so he ends up quitting the one

871
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: walk on that they had UM and then Ron Lewis

872
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: turns his ankle in practice and he's got to be

873
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: out for a couple of days. And they literally had

874
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: nine guys on, uh to run a practice and they

875
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: didn't even have enough to So they called me. At

876
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: this point, I have nothing to do with the team.

877
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: I'm just a normal student at how To State, and

878
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: I mean I still live in the same dorm and

879
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm friends with those guys UM. And they called me

880
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: and they're like, uh they is gross. Gross calls me

881
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: and he goes, he goes, Mark, uh, we need you

882
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: to come back, And I said for what And he said, uh,

883
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: we have nine players, right, nine healthy players. We can't

884
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: even run practice. We need just like a tenth body

885
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: just to throw out there. And I was like, you

886
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: you sold me this live before it grows like I need.

887
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: It's like no, I mean, at this time, you're gonna

888
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: actually be able to practice, You're gonna actually be able

889
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: to play UM. And I was like, cool, that sounds fun,

890
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: and and uh, I guess I can do that, and

891
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: I agreed to do it. I thought, I, honest to God,

892
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: thought that when I when I said yes to that,

893
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: it was going to be until Ron Lewis's ankle got

894
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: healthy in like four or five days or whatever, and

895
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: then they were gonna be all right, thank you, You're gone. Um.

896
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I I said the right things,

897
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: I did the right things. I must have had that

898
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: that must have been. I guess, looking back, I need

899
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: to find the film from those practice because I must

900
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: have just been amazing that they kept me around. What

901
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: was it? What was it like for you to you

902
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: walk into like the locker room the first time you

903
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: saw your jersey. Oh my god, Oh my god. It

904
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: was I I I honestly like. So the first time

905
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: I wore the jersey was for an exhibition game. So

906
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: even that was like I was pinching myself because I

907
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: couldn't believe that, actually I've never had a jersey with

908
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,959
Speaker 1: my name on the back. Even this is tightest stitch.

909
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this is insane. Um.

910
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: But even then, even when I was on the team

911
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: and they're like no, you're you're gonna be on the team.

912
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: I thought I was just gonna suit up for the

913
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: exhibition games, and then like once the real season started,

914
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: I just kept waiting for the other shoe to drop.

915
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: So I never really like fully appreciated it. Um and

916
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: and but but it was it was I I couldn't.

917
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: I honestly, like I grew up, I grew up a

918
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: fan of Indiana. I grew up a fan of Big

919
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: ten basketball. I was always a fan before I was

920
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: a player. I just was happening to be like a

921
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: pretty good player too. Um So I had just a

922
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: mint respect for like all the big tents, like to

923
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: be able to say I was a big tin player.

924
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: My mom played her produe too. She's a legend, She's

925
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: in the Purdue Hall of Fame and everything. So um

926
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: my mom was like balling her eyes out because like

927
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: her son is like going to be a big tin

928
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: player now and she's a big tin player. And it was.

929
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: It was definitely like a rudy moment for sure. Did Yeah,

930
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: I scored uh five points? I want to say, I

931
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: think I hit a three and had two free throws

932
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: Youngstown State ye arena. Yeah, Yeah, what was that that

933
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: was my My girlfriend at the time was at the game.

934
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: She she lived in India and she drove over just

935
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: for the game. And I'll never forget. It was a

936
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: deep three too. I think it might be on YouTube.

937
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: You might be able to find it. Um. I knew

938
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: she was coming to the game, so I was like,

939
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: if I touched the ball, I'm jacking and I have

940
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: to I have to score. Because she knew me as

941
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: like a great player, like because we went to high school.

942
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: Has just to her. She was and and I was

943
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: kind of embarrassed that I was coming off the bench

944
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: and not playing much. So I get in the game

945
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: at the end and Jamar Butler just throws an advanced

946
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: pass and I don't even bother dribbling. As soon as

947
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: I catch the ball, I didn't even I didn't I

948
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: didn't even know where I was. I caught it all

949
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: one motion turned to shoot and I was like, oh, shoot,

950
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm kind of far and I just like h pushed

951
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: a little harder and yeah, I went in and uh.

952
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: It was insane and people went nuts, like as they

953
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: do for the walk ons. I was this pudgy white

954
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: guy that comes off the bits like the crowd's going crazy.

955
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: So my roommates in Oklahoma State, I had um one

956
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: walk on roommate for three years. Yeah, three years uh

957
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: to uh yeah. So Rodney Suitor was my roommate my

958
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: last two years because I was only there three years.

959
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: So Rodney was like a thousand points score. Miamia Miama.

960
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: Its spelled like Miami, but Miama, Oklahoma. It's the last

961
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: town if you're going to buy forty four to Missouri

962
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: from Tulsa. It's the last town before he crossed over

963
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: the Missouri border. That's what Joplin is. So he's from Miami.

964
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: He's like a local legend. He went to junior college

965
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: there at any oh and he was my roommate for

966
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: two years. And walk ons at Oklahoma State. Like you

967
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: get in drill, you don't get a drill. It didn't matter,

968
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: you know, we never we were never to The year

969
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: before I got there, they had the eight guys and

970
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: walk ons were in practice and football players on the

971
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: team and we didn't have that. And coaches just like

972
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: like I remember this, we have there's a walk on

973
00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: it Notre Dame who uh Maddie half remember his last

974
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: name and I just remember like he was gone for

975
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: like two weeks and then all of a sudden, we're

976
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: like in layup lines against Yukon. Like I was like,

977
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: where I let you quit it? Like now, I just

978
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: had some tests to study for it, like I told

979
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: the coach like literally wasn't to meal. They're like road

980
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: games like nothing, and then like all of a suddenly

981
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: he's like a lamp lines like Duncan because like a

982
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: six six white dude, but like the fun anyway, So

983
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: my boy ridey suit or so his senior year, like

984
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: he was like, hey, you gotta talk to coach and

985
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: you gotta be you gotta play with us. When the

986
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: walk Ons get in, I was like why. It's like

987
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: because all the walk because none of them were like

988
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: point guards. They were all exact Gazelle who was from

989
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: Ripley and he could score, like he was good enough

990
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: to play. He just gets so nervous, you know, some

991
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: sometimes walk on he just gets so freaking nervous. He

992
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: would have he would have hoop and practice, like coach,

993
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: he's good enough to play, but then you get in

994
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: the game, he just gets so tight. So we had

995
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: him on both wings and like our young big guys whatever,

996
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: and so they talk. They had me go talk to coach, Like, coach,

997
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: the walk Ons want me to stand like He's like, no, bowl,

998
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: you just want to stay handsome. You can get some points,

999
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: you can get It's like run the offense, Like, do

1000
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: you have any idea how hard is to run an

1001
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: offense when you have dudes that haven't played and all

1002
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: they want and everybody's want them to shoot every the

1003
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: whole crowd as soon as you touch it, shoot it.

1004
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: But by the end of the year we did. In

1005
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: my like my claim to fame is like I've gotten

1006
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: all my guys, all my guys getting everybody gets run.

1007
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: Just put your hand up. I will not give it

1008
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: to you until if you catch it, let it fly

1009
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: right because I am I am granting you an open shot. Um. Okay,

1010
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: So that year, you guys played for a national championship. Yeah,

1011
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: we played for night against Georgetown Florida the semi which

1012
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: was the matchup of Hibbert and they're both in foul

1013
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: trouble in the first half. We're like, Jesus, raps, can

1014
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: you just give them an extra foul? What do you

1015
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: remember about the final four? The final four was definitely

1016
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: my favorite, Uh, maybe my favorite experience in my life.

1017
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: It was, Um, I just remember remember the open practice

1018
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: of having god knows how many tens of thousands of

1019
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: people they were watching us. Um, Like I said, this

1020
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: was something that that I grew up, you know, like

1021
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: all guys grew up watching it, but like I grew

1022
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: up obsessing over and I get my parents would call

1023
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: me out of school during like I I remember your

1024
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: career because that's that's how test I was with this.

1025
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: I met school every Thursday Friday, the first round the

1026
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: n A tournament. I I would I would get called

1027
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 1: out of school. I'd have a board in my room

1028
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: that I'd have all the brackets filled out. I do

1029
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: the I do our family pool. Like I was obsessed

1030
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: with it. Um So to be there and like to

1031
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: know that I like, I know, I I didn't think

1032
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: people were there to see me, obviously, but like some

1033
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: small part of me I was a part of this

1034
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: thing that people were there to see. And I was like,

1035
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, I am on the stage now like

1036
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: I am and and even like during the games, and

1037
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: it freaked me out that like I like, it's it's

1038
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: it's right, Like I could just go walk out onto

1039
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: the court right now. And I'd be all over to

1040
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't know, there's it's just so

1041
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: weird to like be in it. That that was always

1042
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: the weirdest thing for me, is because I just when

1043
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: you grow up and you're sitting in your in your room, Um,

1044
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 1: it's always like a one way thing where like you're

1045
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: watching it, but it's not like watching you back type thing.

1046
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: So like as you're watching the Final four, it's just

1047
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: like it's whatever. And it felt like now the whole

1048
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: experience of turn and was like looking back at me

1049
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, ship, this is this is bizarre.

1050
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: It's very surreal. Um, when did the blog start. The

1051
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: blog started, Uh, my junior year. So what happened was

1052
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: after my my freshman year. UM, I obviously didn't play

1053
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: like I was. I was fat anyway because I didn't

1054
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: think I was gonna play college basketball. So I got

1055
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: kind of fat in the summer and whatever going into college. Um,

1056
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: and then I cut in decent shape and so going

1057
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: into my sophomore year, I thought I had a chance

1058
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: to get some minutes. Not I wasn't trying to start.

1059
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to play fifteen minutes. I thought I

1060
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: could get five six minutes a game, just come in

1061
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: and spots. Um. We went to the n I T

1062
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: that year. We didn't have a good team, and it

1063
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: was the same story. I might have played even less

1064
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: because we didn't win as much. So like you know,

1065
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: I only yeah, but uh, in my mind, I was like,

1066
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: all right, I'm not I knew I wasn't gonna play

1067
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: as a freshman on the number one team in the country.

1068
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: UM for most of the season. Uh that makes sense.

1069
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: But now that we're saw, now that I'm a sophomore

1070
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: and that I'm in shape, I'm killing in practice. I

1071
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: was playing really well in practice all the time. UM

1072
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: to the point that they would when they would run

1073
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: like we run scrimmages, they would take Scott like I

1074
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: would play over a lot of the scholarship guys because

1075
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: they would do competitive things, and like the captains on

1076
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: the teams were like, now we don't want these bought

1077
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: like the I don't want to name names. I know

1078
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: you want me to for the some of the guys

1079
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: that were some of my teammates are like, keep their

1080
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: ass on the bench, put in Titus, we wanna we

1081
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: wanna win this scrimmage. UM. So I was feeling really

1082
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: good about myself. But then every time the games that

1083
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: plays the same story is like I don't only get

1084
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: in if we were up by forty and there's a

1085
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: minute left. So after my sophomore year, I was I

1086
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: I had to come into Jesus moment of like I

1087
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: I have to either I have to change my focus

1088
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: because like now, all of a sudden, I did want

1089
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: to play basketball because I I'd become a much better player,

1090
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: I'd got in decent shape. Um. And I was like,

1091
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: if I stay here, I I have to some has

1092
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: to happen where like I changed my mindset on this

1093
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: whole approach, or I have to transfer and like go

1094
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: play somewhere. Um. And I ultimately decided I I thought about,

1095
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: like when I'm fifty, what's a better story that like

1096
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: I I played at Ohio State for four years, or

1097
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: that I scored like twenty seven a game for like

1098
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: an n ai A school, you know. And I was like,

1099
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: I think more people happy media. There's probably some yeah, um,

1100
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: but that was how I saw it. So I was like,

1101
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm just gonna bite the bullet. I'm

1102
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: gonna stick around. I'm even if I don't play whatever.

1103
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: But I have to change my mindset. I can't keep

1104
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: like busting my ask in practice and uh and and

1105
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: get no reward for this. So my whole, my whole

1106
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: focus became like I'm just gonna write this out. I'm

1107
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: gonna have the most fun I can possibly have for

1108
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: two years. I'm gonna fly across the country and play

1109
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: college basketball and and get free ship and and and

1110
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 1: all that and uh. That's why I started the blog.

1111
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: Was just basically my outlet to voice my frustrations of

1112
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: not playing and and just make fun of myself. And

1113
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: I thought like, if I can make fun of myself

1114
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: before everyone else does, I own the power and they can't.

1115
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: They can't touch me. No, no one, no one could

1116
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: be like you suck at basketball. Be like I know,

1117
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: I already said I stuck at basketball. It's not a

1118
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 1: good joke, like I reached to it. So so when

1119
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: did the coaching staff. How long into it did somebody

1120
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: say like, oh, yeah it was I don't think coach

1121
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: Mada still really understands what it is or what I

1122
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: do for a little Like he's just like he's very

1123
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: clueless in the most adorable way, Like he's one of those.

1124
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: He's one of the coaches that's like, doesn't he pretends

1125
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: he doesn't know what Facebook is and all that kind

1126
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 1: of stuff. So, um, he never really had a problem

1127
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: with it. That the director of obs, Dave Abehaffo, was

1128
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: still there. Uh, he called me in his office and

1129
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: just said, like, let's be smart about this. And I

1130
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: was like, I'm smart because he knew me pretty well

1131
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: and he knew that like I wasn't. Um, I wasn't

1132
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: that bad. So he was like, let's just be smart

1133
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: about this. But at the time, I should say this too,

1134
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: like this was before like people got canceled on the internet.

1135
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: This was before like like this was like Twitter. It

1136
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: just started and people were just saying the most ruthless ship.

1137
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: On Twitter, you could tweet whatever you wanted and no

1138
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: one really cared. UM. So even if I would have

1139
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: like posted some blog post, I don't think it would

1140
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: have like blown up and been a story and people

1141
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: would have said, like, you know, I don't think it

1142
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: would have really mattered. I think people would just kind

1143
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: of laughed. So I think I think they were kind

1144
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: of still feeling that out. I mean this was back

1145
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: when like like corporations were having interns run their social

1146
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: media because they didn't give a ship and um, so

1147
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: they he I had one talk with the director of OX.

1148
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: She was like, just be careful, like you just know

1149
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: that you represent more than yourself. That's all we ask

1150
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: of you. And I was like I got it, um

1151
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: And and it was never a problem. So that they

1152
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: like they read everything I wrote and they would laugh

1153
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: about it. But when did you know became a thing? Um,

1154
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: it became a thing when Simmons, When when Bill Simmons

1155
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: reached out to me, and um, um, like I had

1156
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: I had. I had kind of build a following, like

1157
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: it was like an underground cult thing when I would

1158
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: go around campus and people would say stuff to me

1159
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, I'd go on the road

1160
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: and play in big ten arenas and student sections would

1161
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: know who I was and stuff like that was cool.

1162
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: But when sim when Simmons emailed me to come on

1163
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: his podcast. Um, this was way back and god, when

1164
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: was that two thousand nine? I think, Um, that's when

1165
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, ship, this is this has some

1166
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,959
Speaker 1: reach to it, like people are finding this and people

1167
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: are reading this and and he told me, he told

1168
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: me the way he found out about it was from

1169
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: uh was it Kimmel or then he sent it to

1170
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: because because I then got an email from Jimmy Kimmel

1171
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: who was like reading my blog and I was like,

1172
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: this is the most insane shift ever other what is

1173
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: going on? Uh So, like when that started happening, it

1174
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: just became it took a life of its own. And then, um,

1175
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: and then I started getting people criticizing me, which was

1176
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: such a weird thing. Like I would write stuff and

1177
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: they're like this one was boring, and I'm like I'm like, dude,

1178
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just like a basketball player, just kind of

1179
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: offering my thought. Now, now all of a sudden, I

1180
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: have this obligation to like entertain the crowd, which I

1181
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: did not sign up for whatsoever. Um, yeah, it was.

1182
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: It was. It was a wild ride. But uh, I

1183
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it works out like in the

1184
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: same way that that that your careers has gotten you

1185
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: at this point. Like I think like when if you

1186
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: don't go into it saying like I guess you're kind

1187
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: of differently you kind of did want to do this,

1188
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: I guess, but like for me, like I did, yes,

1189
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: but then but you do have the moments of perspective

1190
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: when you're like house money, like yeah, like like look,

1191
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: I I was dealing. You know. I left ESPN to

1192
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: do the Final Four. Yeah, to move California and do

1193
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: the Final Four. And I did it really one year.

1194
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: The second year they had me do some ship on

1195
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: the courtship outside the gym. But you know, I'll have

1196
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: to do I'll maybe, i'll maybe, I'll tell I want

1197
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: to be a bull packer. It's exactly what I want

1198
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: to I want to be. I want to be billy

1199
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: packer and um, and I thought CBS hired me to

1200
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: be a billy packer, but I didn't know they don't

1201
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 1: think they did. UM anyway. Uh So I was super

1202
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: super bitter. Like I remember I was sitting at home.

1203
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: I was I was sitting at home and it was

1204
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: like June of two thousand twelve and I had just

1205
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: gotten an offer, like a five year offer from ESPN.

1206
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:40,959
Speaker 1: It was the money that I had told my agent

1207
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: at the time, like this is the number. It's like,

1208
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: no fucking way we'll get that number. I was like, okay,

1209
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: but here's how I came to it. I'll do this,

1210
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: I do that that it's worth this. And they came

1211
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: to the number, and then CBS like matched it, and

1212
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: then CBS was like, Okay, there's some other things we'll

1213
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: do and Final four and California and this that, and

1214
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: you'll be home in the afternoon because the radio show

1215
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: moves to the middle of the day when the West

1216
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: Coast is supposed to East coast. So I remember like

1217
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: sitting there with my wife and I was like, you know,

1218
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: I actually I liked ESPN. I I dug it at

1219
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: the time. I had a great house, had a good neighborhood.

1220
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: What weather doesn't really bother me like it does other people,

1221
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: like Connecticut. There's some great parts to it. And my

1222
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: wife's like, when you watched the Final Four, you're gonna

1223
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,479
Speaker 1: be okay, knowing you could have been on that set

1224
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: and you turn it down. And I was like no,

1225
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: She's like, you have to do So I took the

1226
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: job and it actually works the opposite way, and maybe

1227
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: now we're like now I'm like, okay, I took it

1228
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: only for that thing, and then I didn't have that thing.

1229
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: Now I don't have that thing, and it's worse. But

1230
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: then I do get the moments of perspective, like, dude,

1231
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: I didn't play a duke. I wasn't an All American.

1232
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: I didn't go to a Final four, it didn't play

1233
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: in the NBA, and yet I made it to the

1234
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: set of the final even for a moment only you know,

1235
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: I might have funked it up right, but at least

1236
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: I did it right. So I do I understand what

1237
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: you're saying. I had that moments of like I'm playing

1238
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: with house money. Yeah, at all ends tomorrow, I've accomplished

1239
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: way more than possible. I did not go to school

1240
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: to get into media. I didn't even when I was

1241
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: writing the blog. I didn't start that to get into

1242
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: I didn't say like this could be a career for me. Um,

1243
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: there's no there's no part of me that was that

1244
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: was trying to do that. And so, UM, I don't know.

1245
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: I I do kind of have that element of like,

1246
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: at some point someone's gonna walk in here and take

1247
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 1: it all away from me. Done. Yeah, And and honestly,

1248
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: I'll be like, all right, I'll just go back to Indiana, Ohio.

1249
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: What would you do? I just I teach eighth grade math.

1250
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 1: That's what I want to do. Yeah, could you tutor

1251
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: my eighth grade daughter? Yeah? I could yeah, I love,

1252
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: I love. I was careful what you wish. I was

1253
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: a math major. My friend my freshman year a house state,

1254
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a math teacher. And eighth grade

1255
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: is like the right temperament for me because like the

1256
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,760
Speaker 1: the younger kids are too young, and the high school

1257
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: kids know at all. So I found like the eighth

1258
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: grade seemed to be like the perfect so of hire

1259
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: bach a week. We'll make it make it worth your

1260
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: make it worth your your personal struggles with mental health

1261
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: well documented. Um, what is what is that like to

1262
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 1: have your truth broadcast? Like I'm sure at some levels cathartic,

1263
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: but like it's really vulnerable and you're letting a lot

1264
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: of people in who frankly don't deserve it. I think

1265
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: I think that this, Yeah, that's the weird part is

1266
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Speaker 1: like being known as the guy who had depression and

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Speaker 1: has depression and all that kind of stuff. Um, but

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Speaker 1: I it's it's been overwhelming how much I've I've helped people,

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Speaker 1: And um, I don't say that to pat myself on

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Speaker 1: the back. I say it's it's just to to shine

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Speaker 1: a light on like how many people have these problems

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Speaker 1: And and I didn't even realize that like I never

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00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: again the same thing. Like, like, as I said, I

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Speaker 1: didn't start the blog to have this career. I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't say this stuff because I was like, now

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Speaker 1: I'll be a champion for mental health whatever. I just

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Speaker 1: said it because I was like, you know, this is

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Speaker 1: what I'm going through. I just kind of wanted to

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Speaker 1: tell my story and leave it at that. I didn't

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Speaker 1: think like I didn't. I didn't anticipate people like hitting

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00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: me up for advice or like sharing their stories with

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00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: me and all that kind of stuff. But to this day,

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Speaker 1: everything I've done in my life, my career, anything else, uh,

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Speaker 1: I get talked to about that more than um everything

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Speaker 1: else combined. And and it's always like the most I

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Speaker 1: always see it coming. That's what's crazy too, is like

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Speaker 1: I'll be at a bar and you see a guy

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Speaker 1: come up and they're like, Titus, what's up, man, Good

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00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,479
Speaker 1: to meet you, Good to meet you. And then they'll

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Speaker 1: they'll soften their voice, they look around, they're like, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: I just want to say the stuff you said on

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Speaker 1: the and and but I always sense it coming, like right,

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Speaker 1: I'm like I'm like an animal when a storm's coming

1294
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Speaker 1: or something like you could sense it, like I sense

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00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: when they're about together, like Titus, what's up? And I'm like,

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00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna say something that depression. I can sense it.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. So so I was. I was

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Speaker 1: in Louisville for the weekend. Took my son with me

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Speaker 1: a little play Caroline, and he said, and I told

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Speaker 1: my kids about the Nutter Dame thing before, and he

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Speaker 1: was like, Dad, everybody's so nice to you, and you

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00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: talked to everybody butody so nice. I was like, well,

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00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: you know they're nice tea in person. I was like,

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Speaker 1: they're not. It's like, when are they not nice to you?

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Speaker 1: It's like, you know social media. He's like, you mean

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Speaker 1: like Twitter, Like my kids hate Twitter because my wife

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Speaker 1: hates Twitter. She thinks it's like ruined, ruins my life

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Speaker 1: because I can put you in a bad way. So

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Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I mean any kind of social

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Speaker 1: media like Instagram that you say something and they don't

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Speaker 1: like it and they bring up the Notre Dame thing.

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Speaker 1: He was like, what Notre Dame thing? So I, like,

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Speaker 1: I tried to explain it to him. He I told

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Speaker 1: him a couple of years ago because one of his

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Speaker 1: friends at school had googled me or whatever. When I

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Speaker 1: was on CBS and I was teasing about it, he

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Speaker 1: didn't know what they're talking about. I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so anyway, this is the question that I want to

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Speaker 1: I want to want to end with, which is he kept.

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Speaker 1: He's like, why did you do it? And I was like,

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Speaker 1: I went to therapy for it. And I think it

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Speaker 1: was because I thought i'd get away with it. I

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Speaker 1: was like, well, you know, I did, I like need

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Speaker 1: that stuff like I guess, I don't know. I thought

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Speaker 1: I did. It was like more anything, I just thought

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Speaker 1: I got So what triggered your depression? Um? Man, Uh,

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Speaker 1: A lot of things. It was because you're painting a

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Speaker 1: picture of two parent household. I think it was just

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Speaker 1: that it was it was like I had I had

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Speaker 1: a quote unquote perfect life and I was still just

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Speaker 1: I had so much discontent in my life of just

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Speaker 1: like just um, I felt like I was kind of

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Speaker 1: put on a track to of like this is where

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Speaker 1: you're going to go, this is what you're going to do,

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Speaker 1: don't think for yourself. And that's not from my parents,

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Speaker 1: that's not from my teachers. It was just sort of

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Speaker 1: like the outside press. This the I mean, I was

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Speaker 1: the best athlete at my school and I was I

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Speaker 1: got good grades and all that kind of stuff, and

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00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: it was like when when you check those boxes, this

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Speaker 1: is what it means and this is where you should

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Speaker 1: go and what you should do. And um, I think

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Speaker 1: there was just a lot of that and and I

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00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: don't know. I I honestly I wear it all like

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Speaker 1: a badge of honor at this point because I've come

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00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: so far and it's crazy and and my friends will

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Speaker 1: just like every so often, my friends just to cut

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Speaker 1: me down, like if if I do like they'll probably

1349
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: do because I came on this show, and like I'll

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00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 1: tweet some about I'm on Gali's podcast, and then they'll

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Speaker 1: they'll tweet me a picture of of my quote unquote

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00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: old self where I was like fat and dumpy and

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00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: I had and you could just like sense like the

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00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: sadness in my eyes and that kind of stuff. But

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Speaker 1: they're like, we remember who you really are, this is

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Speaker 1: who you so to see how far I've come in life.

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Speaker 1: Um I I honestly I wear like a badge of

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Speaker 1: honor because I I don't know there they were for

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Speaker 1: I would say for fifteen years, I would go to

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Speaker 1: bed like fifteen straight I'm not even bullshit, For fifteen

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Speaker 1: straight years, I'd go to bed, um just kind of

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Speaker 1: hoping I wouldn't wake up. And I was never. I

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Speaker 1: was never like suicidal per se. You obviously think about

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Speaker 1: it a lot, like you know, would I do it?

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I don't think I could. But um,

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Speaker 1: but but you settle on like I want to go

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Speaker 1: to sleep and I just hope I don't wake up.

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Speaker 1: That would be cool. That'd be the best way to

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Speaker 1: go about it. And uh, to be here now, to

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Speaker 1: to to be able to like thrive into I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I love life now and it's crazy. So um, I

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Speaker 1: wear it like a badge of honor because, like I said,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that are going through it

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Speaker 1: and if I can help him out, um, it's cool. Hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us. Yeah, be sure to

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Speaker 1: catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show week

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01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: days at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. All right,

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Speaker 1: that's it for All Ball. Make sure you listen to

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Speaker 1: The Doug Gotlive Show daily three d six Eastern time,

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01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: daily in the meantime, Thanks for downloading, for subscribing, for rating.

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Speaker 1: I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is all ball