WEBVTT - Summer Learning Gives Students a 'Leg Up'

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to Bloomberg Business Week. So our next guest,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd last talked to him at what was a really

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<v Speaker 1>rough time, was more than a year ago. Here's someone

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<v Speaker 1>who has brought innovation to education, really changed the space.

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<v Speaker 1>Socn is the founder of con Academy. It's a nonprofit

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<v Speaker 1>that set out to provide a great education to all

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<v Speaker 1>students around the globe and with more than one billion

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<v Speaker 1>children worldwide impacted by school closures because of the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>kN Academy, we saw them step up in a big

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<v Speaker 1>way and providing their free resources. Sal is back with

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<v Speaker 1>us on the phone in Mountain View, California, South. It

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<v Speaker 1>is so nice to have you back. How are you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing well. Thanks for having me. Well, it's good

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<v Speaker 1>to have you here. We did talk to you in May.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me what's been going on with you and con

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<v Speaker 1>Academy since then? Yeah, back last year. It was one

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<v Speaker 1>of those moments where we look left and look right

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<v Speaker 1>and realized that uh, this was us something to get

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<v Speaker 1>them through all of the school closures and the disruptions

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<v Speaker 1>keep them learning. Over the summer, and we saw our

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<v Speaker 1>traffic go about three xx of normal. Normally we see

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<v Speaker 1>about thirty million learning minutes per day. We saw that

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<v Speaker 1>grown about eighty five nine. The pandemic kept going longer

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<v Speaker 1>than folks expected, uh, they continued to lean on it.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty we saw twelve billion learning minutes on conic Academy.

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<v Speaker 1>About half of that six billion as students and families

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<v Speaker 1>coming on their own. Six billion has been what we

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<v Speaker 1>call teacher directed teachers getting students to use it, and

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<v Speaker 1>we've just been trying to keep up with the demand.

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<v Speaker 1>We've accelerated a whole series of course. Is we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be launching science within the year. We've always had science

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<v Speaker 1>on con Academy, but this is comprehensive practice assessment, feedback,

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<v Speaker 1>middle school, high school, early college, chemistry, biology, physics, econ

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<v Speaker 1>other things. UM, So we're excited about that. And on

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<v Speaker 1>top of that, as part of the pandemic response, this

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<v Speaker 1>time last year, we we started a prototype another nonprofit

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<v Speaker 1>called Schoolhouse dot World to give everyone free tutoring, and

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<v Speaker 1>since then that's grown, that's gotten some film tropic funding

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<v Speaker 1>behind We've had a bunch of states signed on because

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's talking about tutoring, but no one knows really how

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<v Speaker 1>to scale it. And the way we're scaling it is.

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<v Speaker 1>We're getting high quality, vetted volunteers from all over the

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<v Speaker 1>world to tutor people from all over the world. It's

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<v Speaker 1>incredible the network that you've created. You were founded, I

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<v Speaker 1>think right back in oh seven, I remember doing a

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<v Speaker 1>piece on you as you had kind of started out.

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<v Speaker 1>What's changed in terms of the work that you're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>the groups that you're reaching, and how people are looking

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<v Speaker 1>at you and your role in education. Yeah, I means

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned back in two thousand seven. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>multiple possible starting points for con Academy. Is two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>four I started tuting family, two thousand five, I started

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<v Speaker 1>making soft before them, two thousand six I started making videos.

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<v Speaker 1>And so two thousand seven was the very early days

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<v Speaker 1>of con Academy. I was still working as my day

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<v Speaker 1>job as an analyst at a hedge Funds and um By.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it wasn't until two thousand nine that I

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<v Speaker 1>quit quit that day job, and in two thousand ten

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<v Speaker 1>we got our first real film, tropic funding to become

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<v Speaker 1>an organization. But what's changed in the mac grow environment is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some of these ideas that learning should not

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<v Speaker 1>be bound by time or space, or that personalized learning

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<v Speaker 1>or that you could get really high quality learning and

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<v Speaker 1>practice on the internet. Those were avant garde ideas in

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<v Speaker 1>two seven. Now those are mainstream ideas, and the pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>accelerated it. Another big I would say condition that has

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<v Speaker 1>changed is in two thousand seven, it was unusual even

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<v Speaker 1>for reasonably well resourced schools to have a decent Internet

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<v Speaker 1>access and devices. Over the last ten years, at least

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<v Speaker 1>in the school setting because the programs like e Rate,

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<v Speaker 1>you've actually seen that close within. The pandemic has put

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<v Speaker 1>a spotlight on the digital divide at home, but hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>it's accelerated people wanting to address that in terms of us.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, in two thousand seven, it was me and

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<v Speaker 1>my closet doing it as a hobby. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>now we have a twenty million registered users. There's there's

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<v Speaker 1>fifty six languages. We're trying to cover all those subjects

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<v Speaker 1>and grades. We're thinking about even ways that masteryon Kon

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<v Speaker 1>Academy can help you get into college or or help

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<v Speaker 1>you get a job. And and you know, we're continuing

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<v Speaker 1>to expand the number of subjects. We're going into tutoring

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<v Speaker 1>with that related entity called Schoolhouse. So yeah, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot going on. Well, you know, it's stuck out to

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<v Speaker 1>just many things. But you also talked about the digital divide,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's interesting on a day where we

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<v Speaker 1>had President Biden come out and you know, hopeful about

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<v Speaker 1>his physical infrastructure plan, you know, and that includes, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the digital infrastructure that's in our country, how much from

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<v Speaker 1>what you are seeing, the schools you're talking to, the

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<v Speaker 1>individuals you're talking to, how much of that creates a

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<v Speaker 1>real obstacle when it comes to learning in this country. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to be able to engage in the

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<v Speaker 1>types of things that we're talking about, leverage econ Academy,

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<v Speaker 1>leverage of school house, dot world unless you have some access.

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<v Speaker 1>And we saw this during the pandemic that it was

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<v Speaker 1>hard for schools to figure out even how to create

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<v Speaker 1>a hybrid learning program or a distiss learning program. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was that much harder if you're in a urban

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<v Speaker 1>school district where students did not have sufficient access. And

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<v Speaker 1>even in cases where people might have had a computer

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<v Speaker 1>at home or a cell phone, you you still would

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<v Speaker 1>have had a situation where five family members would have

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<v Speaker 1>to share that same device, or students didn't just have

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<v Speaker 1>the right supports at home, their parents might have been

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<v Speaker 1>essential workers. And so I think, uh, you know, by

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<v Speaker 1>putting a spotlight on that where people have done some

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<v Speaker 1>pretty heroic efforts at trying to solve it. Hey, what

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<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you too is summer programs, summer

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<v Speaker 1>school We see some school districts providing learning over this

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<v Speaker 1>summer as a way to catch up from some learning

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<v Speaker 1>missed as a result of schools being shut down by

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic. One point two billion in federal funding has

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<v Speaker 1>been allocated for what they are calling evidence based summer

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<v Speaker 1>enrichment programs. What summer programs, what summer schools? What summer

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<v Speaker 1>learning makes a difference in your view? I think with

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<v Speaker 1>all things, it's something where one you have to do

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<v Speaker 1>it regularly, You almost have to create a habit of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And for us, if you can, if students can engage,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the technical terms is in their zone of

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<v Speaker 1>proximal development, which is a fancy way of saying they're

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<v Speaker 1>learning edge. If it's too hard, they're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to learn much. And if it's too easy,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not going to be learning much. And what technology

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<v Speaker 1>and what kind of academy has always been focused on

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<v Speaker 1>is how do we help a teacher, How do we

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<v Speaker 1>help an educator or a parent, or even a student

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<v Speaker 1>on their own. How do we help them practice and

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<v Speaker 1>finish any unfinished learning right at their learning edge. So

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<v Speaker 1>we have camp con which is a summer program. Anyone

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<v Speaker 1>can use it around the world. It's free, it's all

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<v Speaker 1>not for profit. Where we're saying, hey, come spend twenty

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<v Speaker 1>minuts a day, build that habit, learn at your at

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<v Speaker 1>your learning edge. We have what's called get Ready for

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<v Speaker 1>grade level courses if you want to bone up and

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<v Speaker 1>refresh the things you need going into the next year,

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<v Speaker 1>or you can go into the grade level courses and

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<v Speaker 1>get a head start on things. If you do that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I recommend that to anyone I meet, I try

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<v Speaker 1>to do that with my own children. You're you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have a leg up when you get back to school.

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<v Speaker 1>Now everything isn't just about the academics. We know that

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<v Speaker 1>we just got out of a pandemic. People have felt

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<v Speaker 1>socially isolated. So also the more time, especially younger kids

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<v Speaker 1>can get outside with friends now that the restrictions are

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<v Speaker 1>starting to listen, that's going to be really important as well.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been talking a lot about the learning loss and

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<v Speaker 1>the academic stuff that matters, and I've called that a

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<v Speaker 1>disaster recovery projects going into the summer and next year.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that social emotional side is also not

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<v Speaker 1>getting enough attention. You know, it's interesting to con and

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, sal, I wonder your your take on this,

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<v Speaker 1>because you, I mean, my daughter used Academy, loved it

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<v Speaker 1>for whether it's math or science. You know, just a

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<v Speaker 1>great resource to understand sometimes really complicated things. You've figured

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<v Speaker 1>out really how well to connect with students in the

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<v Speaker 1>online world. We know the online learning experience so especially

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<v Speaker 1>for younger kids, wasn't Ohay's so productive and didn't work

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<v Speaker 1>so well during the pandemic. So what's the key to

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<v Speaker 1>getting it right, to getting it or to doing it wrong? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think and well, I think there's a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>pitfalls that people get into when they think about online

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<v Speaker 1>or technology use. A lot of times they think about

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<v Speaker 1>the technology first and they say, Okay, let's just use

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<v Speaker 1>the technology, just do something modern, and that's the that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's the backwards way of looking at it. You say,

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<v Speaker 1>what's your pedagogical goal? Here is your pedagogical goal to

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<v Speaker 1>allow for personalization to let students learn at their own time,

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<v Speaker 1>and pays to let them finish any unfinished learning they

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<v Speaker 1>might have had. Then think about what tools. The tools

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<v Speaker 1>might be chalk, it might be the human being in

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<v Speaker 1>the room, or it might be software. It might be

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<v Speaker 1>a kind Academy or something like that. I also think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot matters on the implementation of the idea or

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<v Speaker 1>of the technology. It was a blessing that Kind Academy

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<v Speaker 1>started off as a project for me tutoring my family

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<v Speaker 1>that allowed me to bring up I would say, an

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<v Speaker 1>eccentricity and informality authenticity to the content, whether it's the

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<v Speaker 1>software of the videos that wouldn't have come natural to

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<v Speaker 1>a large company um and even now as we've grown

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<v Speaker 1>and scaled, I try to maintain that with our team.

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<v Speaker 1>I remind folks that when when you have a distance

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<v Speaker 1>between yourself and the learner over time and space because

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<v Speaker 1>of the technology, it's even more to let your It's

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<v Speaker 1>even more important to let your humanity shine. Most people

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<v Speaker 1>do the opposite. As soon as the cameras on, they

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<v Speaker 1>start talking like a robot or a GPS device. It's

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<v Speaker 1>even more important when you're doing a video or when

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<v Speaker 1>you're writing software, that you're passionate about it, that it

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<v Speaker 1>shows in the work. If you don't sound excited, the

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<v Speaker 1>students not going to be excited. If you don't let

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<v Speaker 1>yourself be low stress and comfortable and laugh at yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>well then it's going to be stressful for the student.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're not interested, the students not going to be interested.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you how do you believe that the

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<v Speaker 1>educational system well entrenched in this country? And I know

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<v Speaker 1>you work on a global basis, but I'm just curious

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<v Speaker 1>about the u S where we know there's tons of

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<v Speaker 1>money spent, but depending on where you live and your access,

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<v Speaker 1>you can get a much better education than others. How

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<v Speaker 1>is it can something like kind of academy and how

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<v Speaker 1>are you working with schools that are maybe undersourced under

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<v Speaker 1>resourced as well that can kind of up the game

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<v Speaker 1>for the kids who are are at those schools. We've

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<v Speaker 1>seen over the last ten years there's fifty efficacy studies

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<v Speaker 1>done on con Academy. I believe we're the most researched

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<v Speaker 1>technology and technology platform out there that if students are

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<v Speaker 1>able to engage in their zone, approximal development in their

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<v Speaker 1>learning edge for even thirty five minutes a week that

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<v Speaker 1>they're growing faster. But we realize that it's great that

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<v Speaker 1>all of these teachers on their on their own, hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands of teachers and parents and students have decided

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<v Speaker 1>to use it in a grassroots way. But if we

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<v Speaker 1>really want to serve all students, we have to work

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<v Speaker 1>more formally with districts, and we have to integrate with

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<v Speaker 1>other things that they're doing. We have a partnership with

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<v Speaker 1>n w e A, which is a standardized testing body

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<v Speaker 1>administer something called the MAP Growth Assessment. It's taken by

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<v Speaker 1>twenty of students. Historically, one of the biggest critiques of

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<v Speaker 1>standardized testing is, Okay, it's great to measure where you are,

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<v Speaker 1>but then what do you do with that? So our

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<v Speaker 1>partnership with the n w e A is all about, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you take that standardized test and then that can inform

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<v Speaker 1>what your learning edges, that can inform a personalized learning

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<v Speaker 1>plan on con Academy. And that's what we've been doing

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<v Speaker 1>systemically with districts. Our partnership with the College Board around

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<v Speaker 1>the s a T, where the official practice partner for

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<v Speaker 1>the s A T. We've seen a lot of school

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<v Speaker 1>districts want to also use that once again, they're integrating

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<v Speaker 1>these different pieces that have always exists as the map,

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<v Speaker 1>growth test, the s A T. But now they're integrating

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<v Speaker 1>that with personalized practice so that they can really meet

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<v Speaker 1>these kids where they are. I'm thinking about the parents

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<v Speaker 1>that are listening uh and thinking about their kids over

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<v Speaker 1>this summer. What's your advice for parents and caregivers on

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<v Speaker 1>what they can do with their kids this summer. I

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<v Speaker 1>would say, depending on the age of your child, target

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<v Speaker 1>thirty to ninety minutes a day of continued academic learning.

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<v Speaker 1>The summer is always an opportunity to refresh and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>even get ahead, but this summer is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>that much more important. Take a look at con academy

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<v Speaker 1>dot org, take a look at Schoolhouse dot world. If

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<v Speaker 1>you have younger kids between the ages of three and seven,

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<v Speaker 1>check out our app. It's available on Android and iOS

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<v Speaker 1>con Academy Kids. It has hundreds of books. It has

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<v Speaker 1>active the social emotional learning, math, reading, writing. But on

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<v Speaker 1>top of that, you build that habit every day and

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<v Speaker 1>ideally continue that habit as you go into the school year.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty minutes of math and science on con academy, do

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<v Speaker 1>some reading together, do some journaling, get into the habit

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<v Speaker 1>of writing, have something interesting to talk about every day

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<v Speaker 1>at lunch or at dinner. And then on top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>just make sure that that the kids are getting back

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<v Speaker 1>into the pattern of social socialization, getting time outside, getting

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<v Speaker 1>their blood flowing, uh, which you know kN academy doesn't do,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's just as important as the academic. Well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>always hopeful when I listened to you, what's next for

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<v Speaker 1>you just got twenty seconds here? Where else can you

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<v Speaker 1>take this? We continue to expand into you know, fifty

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<v Speaker 1>plus languages where you have the science push the schoolhouse.

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<v Speaker 1>Dot world just released something called Series where people can

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<v Speaker 1>join essentially a class for multiple sessions over the summer.

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<v Speaker 1>I encourage people to check that out. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's not as delusional to imagine a free

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<v Speaker 1>world class education for anyone anywhere. It's so great. You

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of mind blowing when it comes to education.

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<v Speaker 1>SALTH thank you, Soll Con He's the founder of con Academy.

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<v Speaker 1>Jutting us on the phone in Mountain View, California,