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Speaker 1: motherfucking happy Hour Mason and ranging out the person that
Speaker 1: we have in front of us. When you think of champion,
Speaker 1: I don't think the word champion is is enough. You
Speaker 1: gotta call him the champion, Champion, Champion, he has defended
Speaker 1: his title to the most. This is this is the
Speaker 1: real boxing league right now. Boxing kind of seems soft
Speaker 1: of so sorry for you even a boxing now, but
Speaker 1: I mean the real boxing league where everyone was for
Speaker 1: roaches and you were first that preft conferences and and
Speaker 1: the man has held from England of Jamaican descent and
Speaker 1: all the rosters, all the roster he's from Draihood from
Speaker 1: England and he's Jamaican, so he's un Jamaican descent. Front
Speaker 1: of England went over to Canada for in the Olympics,
Speaker 1: dominated there, went pro and beat everybody. In fact, when
Speaker 1: you look at this documentary, you realize not only did
Speaker 1: he beat all of his ponents, most of the paroners
Speaker 1: was running from it. He went to catch skill New
Speaker 1: York and met up with the CHAMPI and they said
Speaker 1: that one day the Champ one and then the next
Speaker 1: day that on the Champ one, and it was destined
Speaker 1: for them to meet at at the end, and they
Speaker 1: met at the end. In case you don't know who
Speaker 1: we're talking about, we're talking about the remarkable, the impeggable motherfucker. Now.
Speaker 1: One thing that one thing struck me immediately studying you
Speaker 1: was the Bob Molly what's it called crazy wall As
Speaker 1: don't watching the documentary, I see that this repeats itself,
Speaker 1: So I was like, it was something that that What
Speaker 1: does that song mean? Okay, you know it's interesting that
Speaker 1: you said that first. Thank you for the introduction that
Speaker 1: was great. Um, and it's a pleasure being here with
Speaker 1: you guys. Let's good or quick? What do you want
Speaker 1: to start with? Oh, okay, let's go and but you
Speaker 1: know what we're gonna go all lot, well have your
Speaker 1: own red let's just do it song. Um. You know
Speaker 1: I used to go dances all the time, especially reggae dances,
Speaker 1: and I like clash dances, so you know, the sounds
Speaker 1: sound clashes. So for me, you know, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: go or work to a song, it's got to mean something.
Speaker 1: You know, going to the ring, it's got to mean something.
Speaker 1: And crazy Ball it's meant a lot to me because
Speaker 1: I started growing my locks because of like a situation
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, I'm just gonna focus and um,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna grow my hair. So you know, my friends
Speaker 1: were saying, you know, John, which is God wouldn't give
Speaker 1: the power to a ball head. So you know, that's
Speaker 1: why that's why I started growing my locks to gain
Speaker 1: my strength, because I had a Samson like complex. You know.
Speaker 1: As my of grew, I just felt I got stronger
Speaker 1: type of things. So that's the that's that was the
Speaker 1: vibe going in the ring, you know, chasing all the
Speaker 1: crazy ballads out of the town because you know, because
Speaker 1: you want to um, because you know why. When I
Speaker 1: first noticed it was against Tyson. So at first I
Speaker 1: didn't listen to the lyrics. I'm thinking, this is a
Speaker 1: record that you're you're deliberately making towards Tyson. But then
Speaker 1: later on I found out it's a deeper meaning. I
Speaker 1: found out that it was almost about skinheads. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but it's it's really how
Speaker 1: it means, what it means to you. What it meant
Speaker 1: to me was like, yo, you know, I've got here
Speaker 1: and I'm chasing all the crazy ballards out of the town.
Speaker 1: That's in roster culture. Like growing the hair of the
Speaker 1: dreads not a part of that, Yeah, of course, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you know, um um. People I grew up
Speaker 1: with with Rasta's part of a band, part of you know,
Speaker 1: and I found that they were more spiritual, you know,
Speaker 1: they were my teachers without you know, of life, and
Speaker 1: it was it was important for them to grow their
Speaker 1: hair and not allow a comb to touch it, and
Speaker 1: a lot of them felt that if they cut their
Speaker 1: hair they would catch a cold and get sick. So
Speaker 1: the hair really gave them strength. Now let's get talking
Speaker 1: to the beginning real quick. Miss Baker, let's open that up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Miss Baker, like she was the woman right who took over. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what happened with miss Baker. Miss Baker is actually my
Speaker 1: mom's friend. And my mom left and immigrated to Canada.
Speaker 1: You know that immigration story. I'm sure a lot of
Speaker 1: people have that. And you know, she couldn't take me
Speaker 1: at that time, so she left me with a good friend,
Speaker 1: Miss Baker, in East London. And you know, Miss Laker
Speaker 1: was a good friend to her. I think they took
Speaker 1: nurse in together. Anyway, my mom immigrated to Canada with
Speaker 1: her friend over there and uh, you know, looking for
Speaker 1: a new life type of thing, and left me with
Speaker 1: Miss Baker. And Miss Baker wasn't really too nice to me.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what happened in between. Her
Speaker 1: husband was really nice to me, but she wasn't nice
Speaker 1: to me. Even um sometimes I would um he would
Speaker 1: go and leave me alone with her and she would
Speaker 1: just be shouting away and you know, cursing at me.
Speaker 1: You were the only child in the house at the time,
Speaker 1: so um, you know I didn't. I grew to not
Speaker 1: like her too much. But it's interesting because I went
Speaker 1: back years later and she jumped at me and hugged me,
Speaker 1: you know, probably died. He was trying to teach or
Speaker 1: something like that. I don't know. I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. I don't think she had any children,
Speaker 1: so this was like, you know, new to her, oh,
Speaker 1: new to her, and uh not everybody suited to be
Speaker 1: a parent. I was scared. So so let me tell
Speaker 1: you the only problem I have with the documentary. It's
Speaker 1: so well put together, it's so d narrating it less.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize until the end of it. I was
Speaker 1: like this voice beginning. My only problem is I didn't
Speaker 1: hear about it as much, like I don't feel like
Speaker 1: they promoted it. Um, you're right, they should have promoted
Speaker 1: a little bit more. But um, it's it's one of
Speaker 1: those stories that anytime you watch it, it's gonna impress you,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So even if you're late,
Speaker 1: it's still gonna impress you, and you're gonna still be
Speaker 1: happy about it because it's a good story, especially around nowadays,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's a lot of different people, a
Speaker 1: lot of immigrants coming in, you know, for them to
Speaker 1: connect to the story. How did you connect to the story?
Speaker 1: Man Um? First off, one of my favorite boxes. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know that, Um, and it always
Speaker 1: amazed me. I knew you was a chess player, but
Speaker 1: you knowing what I'll be seeing you played chest because
Speaker 1: I've watched in the ring and that's that's who you are.
Speaker 1: So for me, when I dug deep, the best part
Speaker 1: was for me to see how how content you are,
Speaker 1: like when people were talking like even for Tyson, like Tyson,
Speaker 1: I want to eat your children like that was and
Speaker 1: you sat back and you did an interview and you said, well,
Speaker 1: I hope he's a vegetarian. At the time, I was like,
Speaker 1: that's the you can say. But what it is this
Speaker 1: a person? I think? Was it Larry Merchant? No, No,
Speaker 1: not Merchant, Jim Lampley Um And he said a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't understand and they don't realize that you
Speaker 1: come from the hood just like them. It's just you.
Speaker 1: You have the britst action mixed with a little bit
Speaker 1: of Canadian. People think because you thought proper that you
Speaker 1: had the like proper, I'll bring it like like like
Speaker 1: he was with the Queen of England or something like that.
Speaker 1: They don't realize it from East London. So how was that?
Speaker 1: How was that that was good? I mean East London
Speaker 1: is a is a place is you know, it's an
Speaker 1: important place in London. All the all the famous and
Speaker 1: the other famous people come from East London. So it's
Speaker 1: not right, No, that's South London. That's South London. But
Speaker 1: the whole doesn't matter. We're in London. It's like you're
Speaker 1: London or you're you're you're from the UK, so that
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I don't I don't understand why people have
Speaker 1: these different areas and say we own this series. It's
Speaker 1: like the whole place. Um. Yeah, and you know there
Speaker 1: there's a code of ethics in in one sense, like
Speaker 1: you know, a handshake is good as a contract, your
Speaker 1: word is your bond. You know. I grew up on
Speaker 1: those type of ethics and you know it's followed me
Speaker 1: through through life because it's the East London way of life. Now, mum,
Speaker 1: you also played football and baseball. What would have happened
Speaker 1: if you would have made it on these other sports?
Speaker 1: What do you think? Football? Baseball? I didn't play basketball, basketball.
Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to play basketball so much because yeah.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be like so great at basketball, but
Speaker 1: then when you guys, when you got like five five
Speaker 1: guys jumping over your head, was like, okay, maybe this
Speaker 1: is the wrong sport for me. You know. I remember
Speaker 1: going for rebounding like four guys smaller than me was
Speaker 1: jumping over me and grabbing the ball. So I was like, no,
Speaker 1: this is not the one. You know, the football was
Speaker 1: played in football football. I was a running back. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I was a running back. We paid, We played out
Speaker 1: of the I formation. I was the last one and
Speaker 1: I love football. Yeah. Football was great to this day.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, please straight on. Somebody gave me the straight
Speaker 1: arm one time and I never forgot it. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: I went to go tackle him and I was flying
Speaker 1: through the air because it was like hitting me something.
Speaker 1: I thought. I thought he was gonna get involved with.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I did. I thought it's gonna
Speaker 1: get involved a wrestling. Wrestling, No, well wrestling to me.
Speaker 1: I actually did wrestling in school, but I didn't do
Speaker 1: like wrestling. Oh yeah yeah yeah. Because you know, I'm
Speaker 1: a character. I believe, I believe. I believe you've got
Speaker 1: to represent England and like yeah, I believe. What do
Speaker 1: you like being told why? In the documentary it says
Speaker 1: you're a world person, but if you had to choose one,
Speaker 1: what would you want to be? Um? Like, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, um, a citizen of the world. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people stay in one place,
Speaker 1: they don't get to travel. I'm so glad I got
Speaker 1: to travel at a young age because I got to realize,
Speaker 1: like you know, in in Um, where do they go
Speaker 1: in Europe? You know when you go to the bathroom,
Speaker 1: they ain't no toilet paper. There's like newspaper on the floor,
Speaker 1: Like you gotta grab some newspaper. And it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: coming to reality and saying, wow, we've got we've got
Speaker 1: toilet in the ground. Yes, yes, so we've we've got
Speaker 1: a toilet and we've got toilet papers. So I should
Speaker 1: be thankful, you know. You know it's not I'm not suffering.
Speaker 1: Those people are suffering. So um. Yeah, traveling at a
Speaker 1: young age is very important. I went to a lot
Speaker 1: of different places. Worldview and your neighborhood becomes like also,
Speaker 1: you know, playing chess at a young age. I would
Speaker 1: say to a lot of kids out there to play chess,
Speaker 1: because chess helps you think, helps you plan, and helps
Speaker 1: you predict the future. In one sense, when you play chess,
Speaker 1: or when a kid plays chess, he's sinking five moves ahead.
Speaker 1: So you know, the kids that don't play chessing that
Speaker 1: are getting in trouble, they're not thinking before what they're doing.
Speaker 1: The chess players are thinking, they're not gonna go Robert
Speaker 1: Store or stick somebody up, because everything thought of the
Speaker 1: five moves afterwards, yes, of what could happen to them.
Speaker 1: So that's why I always pushed chess a young kids. Now, Ah,
Speaker 1: other Olympics you could have you could have you could
Speaker 1: have represented as England, but you chose to represent Canada.
Speaker 1: What made you do that? Um? You know I left
Speaker 1: England and you know, Canada was the country that actually
Speaker 1: nurtured me. That's where my mother was. And when I
Speaker 1: came over to Canada, I learned all kinds of things.
Speaker 1: First thing I learned was snow. Yo, what is this
Speaker 1: white thing? Wait? Wait, hold on, but it was it
Speaker 1: was snow in England though right, not like that's like
Speaker 1: New York. I learned, okay, how to deal with the
Speaker 1: cold winter sports? Ice skating. Um, we're learning about Long
Speaker 1: John's because I used to like two pants Long John's.
Speaker 1: Learning about you know, hockey and all these different sports.
Speaker 1: So that was really an eye opener for me, just
Speaker 1: learning different things and learning basketball, football. My first sports
Speaker 1: were actually soccer and cricket, so I didn't know any
Speaker 1: other sport but soccer and cricket. Okays the ship we've
Speaker 1: told down in the paddle. Yeah, I think I'm nice
Speaker 1: in that. For some reason, it's about I think I
Speaker 1: think I'm nice in it. I think I think I'm
Speaker 1: play cricket. I'm just I don't know. It's not as
Speaker 1: easy as to think. It does look No, it doesn't
Speaker 1: look at it does. When throws the ball down and
Speaker 1: bounces and it comes up, you have to remember, you know,
Speaker 1: depends on what spin that that they give the ball
Speaker 1: it could go, who it could go, Who it could
Speaker 1: go who you're not. You don't. You don't know until
Speaker 1: that hits the floor and then you got to react.
Speaker 1: Mr Lee, I'm ready for shots. Maybe hold on. Goddamn,
Speaker 1: I think I'm nice and cricket. I think you never
Speaker 1: play cricket. Let's do. Let's try drink chance drunk cricket.
Speaker 1: You be you gotta be drunk to do cricket anyway. No, no,
Speaker 1: if that ball hits just a kunk, good. So um
Speaker 1: we we all right. If we already talked about the Olympics.
Speaker 1: But this is the part that was shocking to me
Speaker 1: that I did not know. I remember giving up his title,
Speaker 1: but I did not know your ridd Bow before in
Speaker 1: the Olympics. Yeah, now, not only you four in the Olympics.
Speaker 1: Let's just be clear. You want the gold medal. But
Speaker 1: you came up to him when you said, I'm going
Speaker 1: to knock you out? And this is why did you
Speaker 1: single out Riddick Bo? Was he the number one contender? No,
Speaker 1: you want to hear the joke. I went to the
Speaker 1: Olympics and everybody kept on coming up to me and said, oh,
Speaker 1: Rick's both say is gonna knock you out? Like who's
Speaker 1: really both? And it was really members of the UM
Speaker 1: American team and a couple of other people say yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: rid boy is gonna knock you out. I'm like, who's
Speaker 1: Riddick Bo. So I'm like, you know, I asked one
Speaker 1: of the guys, could you take me to Riddick Bow please,
Speaker 1: so that we you know, we went and we found him.
Speaker 1: We looked for a while. Anyway, I've seen him, walked
Speaker 1: up to him and said, listen, and I want to
Speaker 1: knock you out. Did you introduce yourself? You said, I'm
Speaker 1: Lenni Lewis. No, No, I just said when I walked away.
Speaker 1: Then he was like, who's that? Who's that? He's gonna
Speaker 1: find out who I am. And because I thought it
Speaker 1: was disrespectful for him to say he's gonna he's gonna
Speaker 1: beat me and he didn't even know me. Was this guy?
Speaker 1: I didn't know him either. So I'm glad that we fought,
Speaker 1: and you know, I knocked him outright, I want I
Speaker 1: want to get it. Ye, that's cool, that's cool. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because because because all right in America, boat goes on
Speaker 1: and he has this career. Is this a secret between
Speaker 1: you guys or there's other people that know that what
Speaker 1: happened in the Olympics. No, nobody really knew. You say
Speaker 1: it was a secret between us guys. So when he
Speaker 1: when he boxed holy Field and he came out of
Speaker 1: the ring, for some reason, he walked past me. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was like on purpose, but he
Speaker 1: was saying, oh, you're not right I'm like, not right,
Speaker 1: what do you tell are you talking about anyway? I'm
Speaker 1: gonna knock you out? He said it to you, now,
Speaker 1: I said that to him. I said that to him
Speaker 1: again because you remember the first one. So I said
Speaker 1: it to him again because it's the same thing. And
Speaker 1: then he got all heated and then he never fought me.
Speaker 1: He never fought me. Put the belt, the WBC belt
Speaker 1: in the garbage, which is a disrespect. Another disrespect to
Speaker 1: Momadala at least faces on their past champions. So I
Speaker 1: think he was afraid that I was going to knock
Speaker 1: him out. I think that's what Dr J Narray do. Listen,
Speaker 1: most we don't know in our career. This is about
Speaker 1: picking up our legends, picking up our life. Man, you
Speaker 1: are a real champion, one of the only champions that
Speaker 1: bow out on your feet, not on your back, kept
Speaker 1: your titles and we're gonna respect that. Salute that side.
Speaker 1: By the way, this is our Dreamcam Sports panel, right,
Speaker 1: so let me let me ask you doing the boxing
Speaker 1: ways after he drops the belt, is is people in
Speaker 1: boxing there saying, Wow, I really don't want to fight him.
Speaker 1: No one's going to fight this guy. Is it a
Speaker 1: dry skull from them because no, not really. I think
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were looking for that fight.
Speaker 1: You know, this is the fight of the guys from
Speaker 1: the Olympics. You know Rick bo said, oh uh he
Speaker 1: he got ripped off. Okay, prove it. Let's fighting, let's
Speaker 1: meeting the professionals. Let me tell you, really, Bo through
Speaker 1: a great combination in the Olympics that hit me that
Speaker 1: really pissed me off. And it was like one too
Speaker 1: and then up the middle like it's almost like a
Speaker 1: Tyson punch. And he learned that because he had a
Speaker 1: great trainer and he worked with professionals. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: was always working with amateurs. But he only caught me
Speaker 1: with that once, and that really turned me on to really,
Speaker 1: you know, focus on the next round. One thing about boxes,
Speaker 1: right that it's different from any other sport. Are you
Speaker 1: get dunked on and you'll still come out and play.
Speaker 1: You can get a home run hit on you, you
Speaker 1: can still go on pitch. When people get hit with
Speaker 1: that one punch that flaws will either knock them out
Speaker 1: coal or they hit the canvas. How does a box up,
Speaker 1: How do you get come back from that? Well, it's
Speaker 1: it's interesting and it's a good That's a great question
Speaker 1: because a lot of people can't come back from it
Speaker 1: like you get in training. You trained for the being
Speaker 1: knocked down coming back up. No you don't. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: is that anything apply to that? The greatest question is
Speaker 1: how does it feel to be knocked out? That's what
Speaker 1: I'm about to go next. And then I'm like, let
Speaker 1: me knock you up, because how do how does one
Speaker 1: like what is going through your mind? Like you trained?
Speaker 1: I believe it was Mike Tyson who said everyone is
Speaker 1: prepared until you get punched in the face. Like, so
Speaker 1: what happens when it's not punched in the face? You
Speaker 1: knocked down? Like? How does I'm gonna tell I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you the Rockman, my brother Rockman. That's great to hear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: met him where it ends in the beginning, and it
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, he said some things that really got
Speaker 1: under my skin. I said some things that really got
Speaker 1: unto his skin. And we we solved the whole thing
Speaker 1: in the ring and then we were friends. So that's
Speaker 1: what I love about boxing. You know, although we could
Speaker 1: be enemies, but you know, once we fight it out,
Speaker 1: we can be friends. So um for him. Uh when
Speaker 1: me and him thought he threw an unbelievable punch which
Speaker 1: my chin happened to be in the whale, I put
Speaker 1: up my hand and I thought I blocked, was blocking
Speaker 1: it like easier I got this guy, but it went
Speaker 1: around here and caught me on the chin and the
Speaker 1: action was straight away boom boom. So I went down
Speaker 1: and you want to know how it feels. It felt slow.
Speaker 1: Everything was going in slow motion, and then when I
Speaker 1: hit the ground, everything's spit up. So yeah, in that fight,
Speaker 1: I never really got an opportunity to really come back
Speaker 1: and you know, recover from it or anything. The referee
Speaker 1: just stopped the fight. But this is what happens in boxing.
Speaker 1: You know a loss, how do you come back from
Speaker 1: a loss? Well, for me, it was easy because I
Speaker 1: realized straight away what I did wrong. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: I got beat up or anything. I made a mistake.
Speaker 1: That mistake won't happen again. So my my mental condition
Speaker 1: was like, all right, because I got hit. If you
Speaker 1: got hit with the right hand, do you come out
Speaker 1: the next fight and are you just avoiding that right
Speaker 1: hand or are you are you? Are you still like
Speaker 1: on guard? But overall is it like, you know what,
Speaker 1: you just supported it right here. That's what I messed
Speaker 1: up at last time? Is it like that? Absolutely? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: You look at you, you look at the fight, you
Speaker 1: look at it, continue really and you say, what did
Speaker 1: I do wrong? And then you you when you're training,
Speaker 1: you're still thinking about what you did wrong. I gotta
Speaker 1: keep that hand up. I gotta make sure this is up.
Speaker 1: Watch out for that because that was really his best
Speaker 1: punch that he hit me with. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I did a remarkable job with the punch. But the
Speaker 1: second fight, now, the second fight second yeah, yeah, five
Speaker 1: months later, you know, I looked at the whole fire.
Speaker 1: Actually was in South Africa with Mandad. That was great.
Speaker 1: You know, I've seen Rockman won the heavyweight championship for
Speaker 1: the world and left Africa. Didn't visit Mandela, but he
Speaker 1: was the early though. Yeah he was. There was so
Speaker 1: much taking Let's get back to the man. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of people were saying that any time, anytime. Well,
Speaker 1: that was the first time I actually fought in altitude.
Speaker 1: I didn't know how high it was. For people that
Speaker 1: don't know, that's like your your body. You have to
Speaker 1: get your body has to get aclimated to breathing that way, right,
Speaker 1: And I wasn't acclimated. I was actually, um, you know,
Speaker 1: feeling good. But anyway, when I got into the fight,
Speaker 1: it kind of messed up my rhythm, my training rhythm.
Speaker 1: This is not how I how I trained, because what
Speaker 1: happens when you're in a high altitude. You gotta detroy
Speaker 1: a combination. Then you gotta take a breath. It's like
Speaker 1: a slower fight, and you've got to make sure that
Speaker 1: you don't um, take too much breath and have to
Speaker 1: go you know what I mean. It's like getting lightheaded
Speaker 1: as well. You get light lightheaded, you're not getting enough
Speaker 1: oxygen in your body, and it kind of messages with
Speaker 1: you mentally. It's like, oh, I'm gonna get tired if
Speaker 1: I do this. I gotta slow down. So it kind
Speaker 1: of messed me up in the fire a little bit.
Speaker 1: Well not the second fight. Yeah, of course, not learns
Speaker 1: from my mistakes. So I didn't say. You met Mandela
Speaker 1: on that trip Matt Mandela. Mandela said he was studying
Speaker 1: your boxing style. He said, Oh, don't worry, don't worry, Lennox,
Speaker 1: that's you'll get it next time. I know you take
Speaker 1: a mandela, really take a shop of mandela. Look at
Speaker 1: So that's yo, know, that's it because I listened. By
Speaker 1: the way, excellent documentary. I thank you you know. Um,
Speaker 1: by the way, I would have watched the documentary rather
Speaker 1: we was just I wanted it. I mean that was
Speaker 1: everybody's home works. But um, it was sparts like that
Speaker 1: that impressed me that I didn't know to see the humanity.
Speaker 1: Damn ya, come on, come on the humanity and um,
Speaker 1: you know that not only that, this is a question.
Speaker 1: I know I'm bouncing around. Um did you and Tyson
Speaker 1: has watched it? When Ali asked you both to be
Speaker 1: his bell as, Um, there was Yeah, you had a
Speaker 1: ready squashed long time, A long time, okay, because I
Speaker 1: was looking right after the fight. We squashed it after
Speaker 1: the fight, came up in showed respect fast. Let me
Speaker 1: pick you up again. Let's go pick up my brother Tyson. Yes,
Speaker 1: hand no, no mandela. Let's let's think a mandela for
Speaker 1: a second. Yes, that's historic. I mean it was important.
Speaker 1: It was important to me because this man spent twenty
Speaker 1: seven years in jail for the rights of black people,
Speaker 1: for the right. Did you visit the prison and I
Speaker 1: didn't get to that. It was a cloudy day and
Speaker 1: and then the ferries weren't going. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: out there, the prison is about as big as this route.
Speaker 1: It's like how you put a prison on the island
Speaker 1: and then making a small prison and then make the
Speaker 1: sales small. It's like some mental thing. That prison was
Speaker 1: still open when you visit the horse to it. Now
Speaker 1: you can go. When when I went out to the
Speaker 1: person that actually showed us around was actually in jail
Speaker 1: with Mandela. So it's like they're alcatraz and ye, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you you you were in Ghana for the fight
Speaker 1: or you was in Ghana to see Mandela. No, I
Speaker 1: went to Ghana actually for my friend's wedding. Yeah, the prince,
Speaker 1: the Prince, the prince, he could say, the Prince are gone.
Speaker 1: I call him prince, So the Prince are GONEA there
Speaker 1: you go. And so how does this phone go happen?
Speaker 1: Did somebody say, hey, man, Nelson wants to meet you,
Speaker 1: and you're like Nelson, who like I doubt they say
Speaker 1: nehing No. No, My aim was, if I'm going to
Speaker 1: be in Africa, I'm gonna definitely gonna look him up. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: I went to I went to Suto, I went to
Speaker 1: all the different Yeah, um, great place, you know, massive,
Speaker 1: just big, but yeah, great place. I ate so much
Speaker 1: food in Africas. I'm like, I wonder why why am
Speaker 1: I eating so much food? They said because fresh. We
Speaker 1: just killed it today for people people. Um that I
Speaker 1: had a conversation with Acorn about this on the here
Speaker 1: and um and and Acar keeps it stressing that that
Speaker 1: there's you don't have to take shots to go to Africa.
Speaker 1: Everyone thinks that you have to take shots to go
Speaker 1: to Africa becas we can't drink the water. Is that
Speaker 1: something that you experienced? Um, yeah, I didn't take shots
Speaker 1: out to the hills. Oh wow, we didn't. We didn't
Speaker 1: take me dream? Are we taking no shots to go Aca?
Speaker 1: We went to Okay, to Johannesburg. And these are only
Speaker 1: for like the paranoid people. I mean, you drink bottomed water.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna drink tap water just because you're not
Speaker 1: used to their water. That's crazy. Mann, I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta go to Africa. That are big. I'm black. Let's
Speaker 1: take a shot. Let's take a shot. I got noses
Speaker 1: thinking the same thing, So let's I'm bossing about a
Speaker 1: little bit tied a Biggs fight. You beat him in
Speaker 1: the Olympics, right, yeah, but next he was only one.
Speaker 1: You got your revenge. How did that feel? It felt good? Um,
Speaker 1: you know, the only reason that Tyrelle Biggs beat me
Speaker 1: the first time because of lack of experience. This was
Speaker 1: an Olympics. This was the Olympics, and before that he's
Speaker 1: had international um experience all over the globe. And this
Speaker 1: is the first time of my international experience. And he
Speaker 1: was definitely, um, a little bit better than me in
Speaker 1: in what he did, yeah, in the Olympics. So I
Speaker 1: realized that, Okay, he won the Olympics, I'm gonna come
Speaker 1: back and and and beat him in the pros. And
Speaker 1: my focus was real, real serious when I when it
Speaker 1: came to training for that particular fight. If you look
Speaker 1: at that fight, I was in great shape and I
Speaker 1: was ready for the rumble. So um and I and
Speaker 1: I was upset the fact that, oh, you beat me
Speaker 1: in the eighty four Olympics and then you won the Olympics.
Speaker 1: He didn't do anything, so I didn't go professionally. Right then,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat you just to show that, you know
Speaker 1: how good I've become now. When I watched, when I watched,
Speaker 1: I also watched the documentary, I went and watch the
Speaker 1: actually fight because I'm a fight man. Yeah. The only
Speaker 1: fight I can really say you defended to be lost
Speaker 1: is the Rock the Rock Mom fight. I love on
Speaker 1: the call fight I watched ten times. I watched on
Speaker 1: a thing on a documentary, but then I actually wanted
Speaker 1: to watch it myself. You were up at seven and
Speaker 1: a half, which this is what I really said to myself.
Speaker 1: You're a real gentleman. Because I wanted you to refute that.
Speaker 1: I wanted you to be like like you know, but
Speaker 1: you just you didn't take it. What did that was?
Speaker 1: You was up at seven and a half. I did
Speaker 1: it myself, maybe eight, but ike seven and a half.
Speaker 1: When you gotta anyone like this, you did wobble a
Speaker 1: little bit, but your hands was up. As a champion,
Speaker 1: I felt you should have defended your championship. I felt
Speaker 1: like that he should have took it from you. He
Speaker 1: almost took it from you. But when you did like this,
Speaker 1: we defended. I felt like you're supposed to make up.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you if it really depends on you know,
Speaker 1: boxing is a funny game because you know, if if
Speaker 1: the promoters putting on the show, then he puts everything together.
Speaker 1: He brings yeah, we're gonna get into him. Next, he
Speaker 1: brings in the judges. He brings in everybody. So if
Speaker 1: it's his show and his boxer's boxing, you know the disferee, yeah, judges. Well,
Speaker 1: after my fight, I actually in the referee sitting at
Speaker 1: a big round table all dressed up with Don King.
Speaker 1: After the fight, I was going to the after part.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, and he goes Lennox Lewis. Actually I
Speaker 1: love Don King King. Don King is a real nice guy.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously is everybody knows about his promotional days
Speaker 1: and what he's done and his history. But you know,
Speaker 1: he's a person that I kind of learned from. So
Speaker 1: I watched and I learned from and there's a couple
Speaker 1: of things I picked up. I believe the Holy fil
Speaker 1: got fifteen. You got Tim and Don King got Tim.
Speaker 1: And he didn't get puss in the space at all.
Speaker 1: Somebody somebody's in the posting in the space. Come on,
Speaker 1: let's at little guy. This is what or what what
Speaker 1: you said? Grab him? Like, I want to know where
Speaker 1: Lennox gets the mindset of the positive thinking, because you're
Speaker 1: right after the mccaull fight. I was beating after the
Speaker 1: holy Field fight when he clearly wanted to meet and
Speaker 1: they called it a how when they put the micro
Speaker 1: him how positive he is, you could and he knows
Speaker 1: he's getting ripped off, but he just stays positivity. But
Speaker 1: not only not only let me help you out with this,
Speaker 1: not only did they get ripped off, This was the
Speaker 1: time the crowd, actually the crowd was like your biggest
Speaker 1: flavor flav hype man. It was like it was like
Speaker 1: the crowd and like, where did that? How their mindset
Speaker 1: come from? You had your whole career till now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm a positive person and I believe that. You know,
Speaker 1: I want to be around positive people because I don't
Speaker 1: like when people bring you down or energies bring you down.
Speaker 1: And I realized in boxing, you gotta win definitively, don't
Speaker 1: leave love to the judge. And there may be sometime
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose. You can't be in boxing and think
Speaker 1: you're gonna win all the time. There may be a
Speaker 1: chance you're gonna lose. So mentally you have to know
Speaker 1: that what how are you going to deal with that. So, um,
Speaker 1: you know it's a situation where I lost. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to be for you. It doesn't matter that the
Speaker 1: referee helped him, but whatever, it didn't help, you know,
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking, you know, I'm heavyweight champion of the world.
Speaker 1: This is my type. Man has to win it from me.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he knocked me down once and you want
Speaker 1: to stop the fight. So, I mean every box has
Speaker 1: been through their type of drama or situation where judges
Speaker 1: have gone against them. Uh, Wittaker against um, I believe
Speaker 1: what's my man name for Mexico? And he beat him
Speaker 1: up the whole fight and then at the end he
Speaker 1: just hit him once. Yes, yes, yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: great fight. That's a great great the whole fight. And
Speaker 1: then at the end you got the one and the stock. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know. So boxes go through their you know, ups
Speaker 1: and downs, but you can't let the downs affect you.
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta, you gotta see through it. So
Speaker 1: I'm like life, you know, all the downs you gotta make,
Speaker 1: you gotta bring it back. Is how you deal with
Speaker 1: the downs basically, which defines who you are. But is
Speaker 1: there underbelly of gambling and things like that that are
Speaker 1: deciding these things that have nothing to do with the
Speaker 1: actual boxing itself. You know, I always thought that. I
Speaker 1: always thought, yeah, you know, somebody's somebody knows something. How
Speaker 1: do they know to you know, to to do the betting?
Speaker 1: That blows me. Did a judge get paid to go
Speaker 1: one way? Yeah? I don't know. You'll never know. You
Speaker 1: never know, you never know. But one thing I realized
Speaker 1: in my boxing career, bring your own judges. Right. That's
Speaker 1: now now again, I'm bouncing around a little bit. One
Speaker 1: of the most interesting fights it was when it was
Speaker 1: England against England, the Bruno fight. And I remember, I
Speaker 1: believe he was in the car and the reporter comes
Speaker 1: up to you and says, he said, he's going to
Speaker 1: knock you back to Canada. It wasn't a nice thing
Speaker 1: to say. And then you said, well, he's trying to
Speaker 1: intimidate me, but I can't be intimidated. How How was
Speaker 1: that like? Um? Because you're born in England? Okay? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Frank Bruner was the main guy in England
Speaker 1: right now. He was doing pantomime, he was doing all
Speaker 1: kinds of things and he was man. Look, he wanted
Speaker 1: to get in luck when I talked as the man
Speaker 1: from England, look a look at this question right ready.
Speaker 1: So you know he's been over there for a while,
Speaker 1: so he you know, he's the darling of England. Everybody.
Speaker 1: You know. I loved him. He didn't give no trouble um.
Speaker 1: He was a nice guy. I thought it was a
Speaker 1: nice guy too, but nobody was there to challenge him.
Speaker 1: And when I came over, I came to challenge him.
Speaker 1: I said, he is the he is the old. I
Speaker 1: am the new and and I think that affected him
Speaker 1: mentally because he didn't like what I said. He said,
Speaker 1: I was gonna he's gonna knock me back to to Canada.
Speaker 1: And they didn't want to accept me being British, that
Speaker 1: I was born in England because of my Canadian accident.
Speaker 1: I said, oh, it sounds American. It sounds every every
Speaker 1: time I go to England sounds American. It sounds American.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm I'm Canadian, I'm British. I grew
Speaker 1: up in Canada. That's why I sound American. But I've
Speaker 1: got a North American uh speech. Ye. So yeah, that
Speaker 1: was that was a serious time at that time. It
Speaker 1: was really the new coming in getting coming against the old,
Speaker 1: and it's a fight. It's always a fight. I'm coming
Speaker 1: in his territory. So once the people seeing the fight
Speaker 1: and realize, Okay, the new is good, the new is
Speaker 1: the one that's gonna win the heavyweight champion of the
Speaker 1: world in over a hundred years. This is the man
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it. So that that's why everybody, you know,
Speaker 1: his fans started to be my fans. And obviously it's
Speaker 1: got is die heart fans, but you know they liked
Speaker 1: me as well because the fact of what I was
Speaker 1: doing or what I did that I was that pull
Speaker 1: the to you know, I'm because I respect you guys
Speaker 1: as a champion who you are. So how was that
Speaker 1: confidence build it for you? Win? You won in the
Speaker 1: Olympics and can Canada embrace you because they didn't win
Speaker 1: in fifty something years, So that confidence to you is
Speaker 1: I'm un It was great because you know, after the Olympics,
Speaker 1: I actually went to um the West coast of the Canada, Vancouver,
Speaker 1: all these different places. I didn't bring no money. Everybody
Speaker 1: gave me everything. It was like wow, and people, old
Speaker 1: ladies were coming out to me and saying thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm like, why, because you want the Olympics
Speaker 1: and I felt I felt really really great on that,
Speaker 1: and let's drink to that. Hold on, hold man, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on. You got I got, I got, I got
Speaker 1: like fifteen thousand questions, but I got I got notes.
Speaker 1: That's what you know. I'm feeling great. You guys are
Speaker 1: serious about this dream. Okay, well, let you know. I
Speaker 1: can't be faded night. It didn't work. It didn't work.
Speaker 1: I was giving you wed vine and but okay, after
Speaker 1: the out of a McCall fight, you did something that
Speaker 1: was remarkable. You recognize your mistake, but you didn't give
Speaker 1: the credit to the fight. Of yes, you gave it
Speaker 1: to him. You know why I didn't give the credit
Speaker 1: to him because it was a lucky punch. The man
Speaker 1: moved and did his thing, and he was shocked himself.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that was right. You know. Mentally, I was
Speaker 1: trying to throw to get that right hand, and I
Speaker 1: was trying to knock him out. I was trying to
Speaker 1: knock everybody out, and to me, he was a learning process.
Speaker 1: It was learning process. Because I was trying to knock
Speaker 1: him out, he knocked me out. So I said, what
Speaker 1: the dude wrong? And then almost like the reverse roll
Speaker 1: adult right, Yeah, So I realized what I did, drown,
Speaker 1: fixed it, and I came back. Well, here's the genius
Speaker 1: part about it. You looked at the architect and Manuel
Speaker 1: stew it absolutely absolutely, And let me tell you, if
Speaker 1: you look at the documentary, you're gonna see many say
Speaker 1: roll and come back. You took away his best his
Speaker 1: best weapon, roll and come back. And that's what he did.
Speaker 1: And to me, see, that's the difference between uh, a
Speaker 1: normal trainer and a trainer that has experienced because he
Speaker 1: can say, to you, man, that guy's be knocking people
Speaker 1: out with right hands. This is how we're gonna go
Speaker 1: after him. We're gonna let him throw that right hand,
Speaker 1: take it away from him and come back because he's
Speaker 1: troined it with everything. So I put everything into it
Speaker 1: all the all he did is wave it off and
Speaker 1: come back. And really I'm helping myself knock me out
Speaker 1: because I'm going forward the punch. Yeah, and I'm going
Speaker 1: forward and he's going he's just really swinging back and
Speaker 1: coming forward. I'm coming forward into the punch and meeting
Speaker 1: the punch that on. I hope now you had also
Speaker 1: Pepper the trainer right, Pepper, great trainer. Actually, you know,
Speaker 1: who do you go against you with? Like he was?
Speaker 1: He was down with you right the same dude, No
Speaker 1: nobody else. I forgot the guy's name right now. But yeah,
Speaker 1: how was that embossing did you come up with? And
Speaker 1: it's actually it's actually not business business if they're going
Speaker 1: but it seem like he was a yes to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a crush. Frankie told you that he thought, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, for him coming against me, I don't hold
Speaker 1: it against him because he's a trainer, you know, and uh,
Speaker 1: he was in my camp. He knows me, So I
Speaker 1: think the other side was smart to get him. We
Speaker 1: want to know about Lennox Lewis, what's his what's his assets,
Speaker 1: what's what's good about him? Where can we get him?
Speaker 1: If they're going to give the trainer money, has to live,
Speaker 1: so he's gonna take it. But I love Peppi. Peppi
Speaker 1: is a great trainer and he actually just lost one
Speaker 1: of his sons. Condolences to him, blessed him so but
Speaker 1: all right, but a man was to so what happens
Speaker 1: you goes? You guys in the documentary which I love
Speaker 1: we took him, asked him, and how did you be? Yes,
Speaker 1: he told me took away the right hand I was
Speaker 1: He said, I was reaching too much and I was
Speaker 1: over reaching because my balance was over So they took
Speaker 1: advantage of that. And this is a technical era, technical era.
Speaker 1: That's why I always say it's a great boxers. Get
Speaker 1: a good coach, get an old coach, because he can
Speaker 1: he's being around a while. He can tell you things
Speaker 1: that you don't know. I'm not gonna laugh. For get
Speaker 1: the documentary. Just for me being a Limus Newisman. I
Speaker 1: knew when you got with a man, what type of
Speaker 1: fighting you like. I mean he was already elite, but
Speaker 1: he made you super eighty. Let me tell you. Emmanuel
Speaker 1: Stewart is a great yeah, bless um. He taught me
Speaker 1: so much and he knows so much. Um. Great trainer.
Speaker 1: He's the trainer of champions. Ah. When when we had
Speaker 1: a fight coming up, he would say to me, go
Speaker 1: watch the fight, because you got you you break down
Speaker 1: things easy. Good. I like the way you break the
Speaker 1: things down. So I looked at the fight. I broke
Speaker 1: it down. He came, he said, that's right, that's what
Speaker 1: we need to do. Plus this so he would add
Speaker 1: a little us to do it, and we're a great team.
Speaker 1: He was. He's like I said, he what he said,
Speaker 1: and when he spoke I understood and could relate to
Speaker 1: what he needs done. So if he said go win
Speaker 1: this round, he knows that I will go and win
Speaker 1: this round. How crazy it was it? Because, um, I
Speaker 1: believe the cliss brothers did the same thing you did.
Speaker 1: After the Clisger brothers for with you. They hired the manual. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the smartest thing they ever did, get the trainer of champions.
Speaker 1: I think, I think, I think, I think, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: they did the right thing. They made the right move
Speaker 1: and you know it helped them. It benefited them, right man?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, looking for his track work. Obviously
Speaker 1: I've met him man roll, but I didn't get on
Speaker 1: the gym with them. Are you know? Take boxing like that?
Speaker 1: I love boxing, but um, it's it's like he makes
Speaker 1: a champion a champion. He makes them more than he is.
Speaker 1: So how was it? So did you have to go
Speaker 1: to the Detroit and train with him or what was it?
Speaker 1: I know you had dinner, I think they I think
Speaker 1: they said and they said, you guys had dinner, But
Speaker 1: then how did they move forward and did they said,
Speaker 1: you guys have some rests, like don't just come in
Speaker 1: here immediately, train, get some rest and then what was
Speaker 1: what was it like proceeding? Oh yeah, yeah, so the
Speaker 1: first meeting with the Manu, I'm actually new and Manu
Speaker 1: before that because he said you're gonna be a champion
Speaker 1: back then, like yeah, so um, Manny basically came into
Speaker 1: camp and showed me a couple of things that I
Speaker 1: didn't know, Like, for instance, you know, because of the
Speaker 1: fact that I used to fight smaller guys and they
Speaker 1: used to be hookers, so I had to make sure
Speaker 1: that my my right hand was up all the time.
Speaker 1: So I used to keep it up here, keep it
Speaker 1: up here. Man He came into the chemistate, why are
Speaker 1: you keeping your hand up here? He said? He said,
Speaker 1: if anybody throws a hook, you can move your your
Speaker 1: your hand two inches, can't you. I'm like, yeah, I can,
Speaker 1: I can. He said, then do that. He said, your
Speaker 1: hand should be in front of your mouth. And let
Speaker 1: me tell you he helped me because in the Ray
Speaker 1: Mercy fight, Ray Mercer had a great job. Great job
Speaker 1: he was popping that jomb He actually gave me a
Speaker 1: fat lip. And you know, boxes after a fight, even
Speaker 1: if you want, walking around with a fat lip is embarrassing.
Speaker 1: What happened. What happened. So he helped me out of
Speaker 1: that because I hated that it was embarrassing and always
Speaker 1: having a fat lip. And I won. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: so u he was great. You know this is technical.
Speaker 1: Put your hand in front of your face because even
Speaker 1: if a guy throws a job, it's gonna catch your hand.
Speaker 1: It's gonna catch your hand. He said, if a guy
Speaker 1: throws a hook, you can move your your hand two inches. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the technical asked back to Emmanuel, is he's like
Speaker 1: a professor. He knows it. He knows it good. So
Speaker 1: let's let's so we talked about uh ritick bout no no,
Speaker 1: Razor Rodick. Razor Roddick was a sparring partner of mine.
Speaker 1: In fact, we sparred together so we would help each
Speaker 1: other and uh uh he had such a great job.
Speaker 1: He actually helped me develop my job because he had
Speaker 1: a great job. And when we sparred so much, it's
Speaker 1: like I was learning off of him and it was
Speaker 1: like I wanted my job to be good. He would
Speaker 1: hit me with his job like this guy hit me
Speaker 1: with It was like a fight, almost like a fight,
Speaker 1: but it was actually sparring matches. We're helping each other,
Speaker 1: but it was a fight. You know. I didn't want
Speaker 1: him to get better the better of me. He didn't
Speaker 1: want to me to get the better of him. So
Speaker 1: we helped each other get better. Iron Yeah. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: was your favorite fight? You ever had? Favorite fight? There
Speaker 1: was no favorite fight all. My fight's a favorite favorite
Speaker 1: because of the fact that each fight brought around something different.
Speaker 1: It's not different math problems, different math problems to solve.
Speaker 1: There's the math problem. Is your choice to fix it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not gonna lie. You have a real, great, great,
Speaker 1: great great career. Listen, So I don't know did you
Speaker 1: get to did you the gloves? Oh? So sorry the gloves?
Speaker 1: You know, I got gloves for you to sign. Man,
Speaker 1: show that out there. Man, I'm super fan and out
Speaker 1: Oh you you fucked up. I got my gloves, brother,
Speaker 1: I got one glove. I got a charity called the
Speaker 1: Lennox Lewis League of Champions and Kids. Yeah you watch them.
Speaker 1: Let's take shouts for the kids. Yeah yeah, walk you
Speaker 1: need more, so tell us about the charity. Yeah. We uh,
Speaker 1: we've been around for six years. We've been having camps
Speaker 1: for four years, and it's basically bringing kids into a
Speaker 1: situation where like we're teaching them how to be great people.
Speaker 1: You know, I look at my life and the people
Speaker 1: that were involved in helping me. This is what I
Speaker 1: want to do for young kids. Create um boxing camps
Speaker 1: for them, really teach them how to box and teach
Speaker 1: them how to deal with life. And the same disciplines
Speaker 1: that we have in boxing will help you through life.
Speaker 1: So introduce the boxing. Right, police Officer brough in to
Speaker 1: the gym. Right, I actually went to I gotta tell
Speaker 1: you this story, so be ready. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: we have all these different high schools in Miami. Then
Speaker 1: they say to you, Okay, we're gonna have a dance
Speaker 1: every month at a certain high school, but if anybody
Speaker 1: from any different high school goes there and fights, they're expelled.
Speaker 1: So obviously we went to this school called k c
Speaker 1: I and the bad boys from there. I wanted to
Speaker 1: fight us because the girls liked us, obviously, and you know,
Speaker 1: we realized we we said to it. We said to them, listen,
Speaker 1: come down to the police box and Jim and box
Speaker 1: and we'll fight you down there. You guys said this
Speaker 1: to them, Yeah, because we couldn't fight at the at
Speaker 1: the at the dance. So they said, yeah, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go. We're gonna be there. We'll be there in
Speaker 1: England or Canada. In Canada and they didn't show up.
Speaker 1: I went, me and my friend went, Andrew Um didn't
Speaker 1: show up anyway. The trainer said, hey, you which is me?
Speaker 1: Go move around with this guy and moves around with
Speaker 1: this guy and then all of a sudden he hit
Speaker 1: me in the nose and my eyes started watering. I
Speaker 1: didn't like it. He said, Okay, don't worry, don't worry,
Speaker 1: go with this guy. Put me in the guy with
Speaker 1: my size. I started doing Mohammad Ali, which is the
Speaker 1: only the only guy I watched on boxing, and it
Speaker 1: felt like it felt good. It was a game to me,
Speaker 1: and that's what caught me in boxing. Lets you know
Speaker 1: your maniac where you like violence. I was trying to
Speaker 1: worry that you said that. I didn't. She's like, like,
Speaker 1: I just liked it mediac It's just like no, honestly, honestly,
Speaker 1: like some people are just skilled at what they do.
Speaker 1: Some people are skilled that talk. Some people are skilled
Speaker 1: that rappid. Some people are skilled that knocking motherfucker's And
Speaker 1: something about you news that first time you got the
Speaker 1: rings that I like this? Yeah, yeah, it was great,
Speaker 1: and I realized it was your own. You don't have
Speaker 1: to depend on the team because I was a team player.
Speaker 1: I played football, basketball. This team is a one team,
Speaker 1: one person team, right, So it really depends on you.
Speaker 1: So it depends on your sacrifice. So if you're partying,
Speaker 1: drinking or whatever and then you're going to fight, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna work. If you're focus, dedicating, it's gonna work,
Speaker 1: especially if you're good, and if you're focused mentally and
Speaker 1: strong minded, Yeah, take it all day. You already have
Speaker 1: the hight. I'm good, I'm good. Did you already have
Speaker 1: the high when you first? Yeah? Well I was. I
Speaker 1: was kind of like that lanky kid, tall and lanky,
Speaker 1: m You know, I noticed on your fight, as tall
Speaker 1: as you are on us and as reaches you have,
Speaker 1: you're gonna inside it. You get inside, all right. So
Speaker 1: that's good because you know a lot of fighters, a
Speaker 1: lot of heavyweights don't like boxing inside. Right. Somebody told me,
Speaker 1: somebody told me, like I forgot who that was. I
Speaker 1: think it was a manual. I said, you've got to
Speaker 1: be good on the inside and the outside. You've got
Speaker 1: to be able to box on the inside and the outside.
Speaker 1: So I learned to box on the inside because of that,
Speaker 1: because I don't want anybody beating me on the inside.
Speaker 1: I want to win on the inside and the outside.
Speaker 1: So I want to be a great professional on the
Speaker 1: inside and the outside as as a chest player. Not
Speaker 1: to cont you up, sorry, would it be fair to
Speaker 1: say that since you're tall and have reached that the
Speaker 1: opponent is training that way. So when you're getting closed,
Speaker 1: they lost, you know, like the trying and they're training
Speaker 1: to fight you from a distance. But since you get
Speaker 1: in the middle, then they didn't prepare for that. Well.
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes because some some guys that have shorter arms
Speaker 1: feel that if they have shorter arms they can beat
Speaker 1: you there. Their main focus should be on the inside
Speaker 1: because there they got short arms. So and then if
Speaker 1: I got long arms, I can't box inside. But I'm
Speaker 1: I fooled him. I fooled I hold him all right,
Speaker 1: So I want to get into it. Everybody ready hitting
Speaker 1: your with tom everybody be the band, only be ready cold.
Speaker 1: I didn't raison running to be the everybody, and then
Speaker 1: they say it's finally time to die. From the cat
Speaker 1: Skills to the Paris. First of all, what are you thinking, like,
Speaker 1: because according to the documentary, I forgot my your man's name.
Speaker 1: He said that that I think Tyson won the first day. Corney,
Speaker 1: Corny your homeboy, who wrong with you? I fun with him?
Speaker 1: Have I seen him? Look? Um? And he said custo model.
Speaker 1: And I believe you, guys, Angie Corney, I mean the
Speaker 1: white guy that was with you, Arni, Arni. Um. So
Speaker 1: they said that you gotta squat the first day, and
Speaker 1: you didn't. You lost the first day somewhere, and then
Speaker 1: the next day you learned him and you are back
Speaker 1: years later this happens. First off, that's like your style,
Speaker 1: like if you lose, you figure it out back, right.
Speaker 1: But this is something that's I think it's barely on tape,
Speaker 1: like you gotta spiring. I don't know if that it
Speaker 1: was both of you guys who kept looking at but
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I gotta be those two,
Speaker 1: you know. Let me tell you. Let me tell you, bro.
Speaker 1: We went up to the cart Skills cat Skills, and
Speaker 1: actually I was in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic. We've really
Speaker 1: been all over the place. Won the world I won
Speaker 1: the World Junior Championship over there. This is when I
Speaker 1: was like, uh, seventeen, okay, let me take a shot
Speaker 1: for you. Come on, give me a shot. That's why
Speaker 1: you gotta ad. That's good. You can't get drunk. No, no,
Speaker 1: ok sounds. And I won the tournament over there, the
Speaker 1: World Junior Championship, and the American team said, well, you
Speaker 1: need to box the best. Who's the best, He said, Tyson,
Speaker 1: you don't like taking planes? His manager, they don't like
Speaker 1: taking planes, and uh, if he was here would be
Speaker 1: I'm like really, so me and my trainer talked to me,
Speaker 1: said listen, let's go find this guy. He's up in
Speaker 1: the cat Skills. I'm like, okay, he said, let's drive
Speaker 1: up there. So we drove up there. Okay, I didn't
Speaker 1: stop you because the cat Skills is close to Canada. Correct, Yes,
Speaker 1: because that's upstate New York, New York, Buffalo. Yes, continue,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Every week we drove up there, I
Speaker 1: met Mike Tyson, I met custom model, nice people. Mike
Speaker 1: Tyson was nice. He was like, you know you know,
Speaker 1: he's my age, and he took me up into this room.
Speaker 1: He put a sheet up and he were looking at
Speaker 1: old fights. I'm like, yo, when did you get these
Speaker 1: old fights? I've never seen these old fights. No, like
Speaker 1: this was films. He hanged the sheet up and it
Speaker 1: was in his room and it was like we were
Speaker 1: watching it. He was telling me about these old fighters
Speaker 1: and how they would box and what they would do,
Speaker 1: and I realized, wow, I didn't know about the sweet science.
Speaker 1: Realizing how these guys would, you know, headbut and punch
Speaker 1: a guy behind the head, and different things they would
Speaker 1: do in the fight, teaching how to fight dirty. Even
Speaker 1: he was actually he was actually showing me how these
Speaker 1: guys got away with certain things in a fight because
Speaker 1: the referee wasn't watching, but they got away with it,
Speaker 1: and it's part of the fight, part of the space
Speaker 1: if you don't cast. It was great. It was a
Speaker 1: great learning experience for me, and uh, you know, it
Speaker 1: was great to go up there actually spar with a
Speaker 1: guy that later on I would fight. And custom Model
Speaker 1: actually predicted that. He said at one point, you guys
Speaker 1: are going to meet later on, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: if that was true. I I always remembered what he said,
Speaker 1: and I said, is this ever gonna happen? And it happens. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, so now cat skills happen, You're going on.
Speaker 1: You live this career. Tyson comes out, you'll never fight.
Speaker 1: He goes to jail, he comes out right. I believe
Speaker 1: one of his tactics was he wont to fight prior
Speaker 1: to you getting in the ring because most people he intimidates. Now,
Speaker 1: are you not intimidated for Mike because of the cats
Speaker 1: skill experience, or you're just not intimidating because you don't
Speaker 1: get intimiddating. I don't get intimidated. I don't get into Yeah.
Speaker 1: My thought like, let me tell you the first time
Speaker 1: I went into the ring. I had my first fight.
Speaker 1: I had to go to the bathroom and my stomach,
Speaker 1: my stomach was no we plus butterflies in my stomach.
Speaker 1: Did you say we? Yeah? We never heard that before.
Speaker 1: You have to remember my kids, I'm my kids, so kids,
Speaker 1: we first fight, you had the weak After ten fights,
Speaker 1: I didn't have to we anymore, but I was nervous, right,
Speaker 1: So I had butterflies in my stomach. Everybody, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: after twenty fights, done with the wind done with the butterflies.
Speaker 1: So that's how you progress in in in boxon mentally. Okay,
Speaker 1: so now you're dominated. This guy is on the other
Speaker 1: side of the world. Guys are connected, and you see
Speaker 1: the previous of what he's capable of. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if if he's on a downfall at this time. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you can talking to Tyson's coming out of incarceration,
Speaker 1: but he's a monster. Oh yeah, this press conference happens,
Speaker 1: and in the documentary you say not backing down, all right,
Speaker 1: So in that situation, it's a situation of like, alright,
Speaker 1: we all know about Tyson, nobody knows about me, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you're gonna make some and you know,
Speaker 1: in in my culture, it's like, you know, we say,
Speaker 1: dog that box the loudest has no teeth. So it
Speaker 1: was a situation where like, yo, this is the first
Speaker 1: time I felt like he was deliberately trying to Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's bad. He's a bad guy in the sense of
Speaker 1: like he can intimidate people. He's intimidating a lot of people,
Speaker 1: but you don't know who he's intimidating. He's intimidating a
Speaker 1: bad a bad guy. I'm a batman in that sense.
Speaker 1: I don't take that so makeup time, right, Yeah, Loishan
Speaker 1: WANs so he knew, well, I knew what he was about,
Speaker 1: but he didn't know what I was about. You don't
Speaker 1: know where I'm coming from, nothing about me. It's like
Speaker 1: that really both situation where like, yo, he says this
Speaker 1: about me, Okay, cool, all right, he's gonna see So mentally,
Speaker 1: I was prepared for that. I was prepared for that fight.
Speaker 1: I was looking for that fight, and I knew that
Speaker 1: he didn't know me. And mentally I'm really strong minded.
Speaker 1: And are you holding on to what happened as y'all
Speaker 1: as children or you saying no, you know what that
Speaker 1: that was us as children? Actually I didn't realize what.
Speaker 1: I didn't know where it was coming from. I didn't
Speaker 1: know why he was being like this because we knew
Speaker 1: each other as when I went up to the catskill,
Speaker 1: were we were friends, you know. He says that, he
Speaker 1: says that afterwards, he says that he says he's only
Speaker 1: promoting the fight, But as a fan, I didn't take
Speaker 1: it like that. I didn't take it like he was
Speaker 1: only promoting the fight. I took it like what the
Speaker 1: fund is these two grown man. You know, this is
Speaker 1: me a fan, This is I have no ties to
Speaker 1: to anybody at this time at least, so go ahead continue.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: realize and don't remember, well I don't know, is the
Speaker 1: fact that a lot of the promoter wanted that to
Speaker 1: be an American British thing like West Coast, East Coast,
Speaker 1: West Coast. Yeah, but it was it was more American
Speaker 1: than the British should come in, the British should come
Speaker 1: in talk. So we said, no, it can't be that.
Speaker 1: We don't want that type of mess that's too messy.
Speaker 1: It's not even true. But yeah, yeah, yeah, so uh,
Speaker 1: you know it was more just um, you know, me
Speaker 1: trying to get the everyweight championship of the world, Tyson
Speaker 1: trying to legends meeting, and I'm gonna tell you some
Speaker 1: funny ship. The other day, Um, zab Judah's are here,
Speaker 1: so I couldn't get get to get to them. We
Speaker 1: can't make it happen or whatever I'm saying. Zab Judah
Speaker 1: and Lenus have a connection. I just can't identify the connection.
Speaker 1: I watched the documentary the third time and I'm like
Speaker 1: diggest that shoot was actually what Tyson that did you
Speaker 1: had a relationship other than that or no time? No,
Speaker 1: I knew of a job aza he uh. I've watched
Speaker 1: him box. He's a great fighter. And but you know,
Speaker 1: obviously there's there's people that love Tyson that you know what,
Speaker 1: they love Tyson so much. Zab is one of them. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't hold it against him. So okay, now this
Speaker 1: fight finally happens. Right, you already know you great, you
Speaker 1: already know what's happening. You're in the room. I believe
Speaker 1: you're playing all hands right when am I playing? Wasn't
Speaker 1: in in the Tyson fright about an addressing room? Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: you're playing something. I was playing caton Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: currently that time. Yea. And the guy from Tyson camp,
Speaker 1: because see your man said that he knew he was
Speaker 1: gonna win the fight from the press comp. I did
Speaker 1: not love that. I think he's gonna fight because of
Speaker 1: how you did not care Tyson's man. I was there
Speaker 1: to sign your glove. That was the body snatch you
Speaker 1: right there? Wait, what was the body snatcher? That was
Speaker 1: Mike McCullum, the guy I didn't know. Yeah, and he's Jamaican.
Speaker 1: He understood, Yeah, he understood. Nice guy. Loved the guy
Speaker 1: to death. But you know, he's a Tyson fan. He
Speaker 1: loves Tyson. He loves me too. But at that time,
Speaker 1: he's he was with Tyson. Tyson told him to come over,
Speaker 1: come over, watch me wrap my gloves. We're playing some
Speaker 1: Jamaican music. We're getting into it. He's feeling the vibe.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to you know, I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: He's trying to say, you know, he's on the Tyson field.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, I'm on the Louis field. We're
Speaker 1: not giving up. This is how we feel about it,
Speaker 1: and you know, we're feeling good. So all he could
Speaker 1: feel was the vibe in the dressing room, knowing that
Speaker 1: we were ready, and he couldn't really come back and
Speaker 1: give that to Tyson. Say, oh, what could he tell
Speaker 1: Tyson they're not playing? Yeah, basically, yeah, I watched them,
Speaker 1: Uh wrap up, everything's good. But he felt the vibe.
Speaker 1: So now let me ask you. You do know the
Speaker 1: reputation of Tyson this after holy Field, you'll beat holy Field.
Speaker 1: He for holy Field, He beat holy Field's air off.
Speaker 1: He beat you in the Crescent press conference. I believe
Speaker 1: that's what, Yeah, to live in the leg, in the
Speaker 1: leg in the first three parts. So I threw the
Speaker 1: first punches though, the first three punches, I believe you said.
Speaker 1: So this first round happens at least the first time
Speaker 1: I've ever seen this. They had these people with the
Speaker 1: yellow shirts. First time in history. I've never I'm a
Speaker 1: boxing fan. My mother was a boxing place for the
Speaker 1: golden gloves. I'm not a box to shoot. I don't
Speaker 1: know why, I don't know how that happen. It's weird, right,
Speaker 1: but anyway, first time I'm looking and I'm seeing yellow
Speaker 1: shirts and between the wind and I'm like, wow, what
Speaker 1: are you thinking. I'm thinking I've ever seen this before,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking I'm walking the ring. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you first thing, Tyson came into a great song DMX
Speaker 1: DMX maybe what was it? What was it? Yeah? You
Speaker 1: know who I came into. You know who I came into.
Speaker 1: I came into Bob Marley and I wasn't in no rush.
Speaker 1: It was easy, yeah, going, and we're chasing the ballers
Speaker 1: out of time. Yeah, and big up to the Marley family,
Speaker 1: the whole of Marley family. Big up, Ritchie, big up. Yes. Um.
Speaker 1: So you know I was relaxed coming in the ring.
Speaker 1: When I came in the ring, I went over to
Speaker 1: my corner. I've seen Mike Tyson in the middle of
Speaker 1: the ring looking over at me. I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: have to look over. I'm back here. I can see everything.
Speaker 1: So that was interesting. First time in history that ever happened.
Speaker 1: First time in history. We actually weighed in on separate
Speaker 1: days cause to the press, because of they thought something
Speaker 1: was gonna go off, you know, my team against his team,
Speaker 1: because it happened before, but it didn't. You know, it
Speaker 1: was great that we walked into the fight with a
Speaker 1: human I'm gonna tell you something, Barrier. Yes, and I'm
Speaker 1: not on um Tyson's team in any way, shape, form
Speaker 1: or fashion. But when him rush you at that press conference,
Speaker 1: I bought the pay per view because I said, holy shit,
Speaker 1: they hate each other. This is what So when Tyson
Speaker 1: his promo works what you're saying that it absolutely what
Speaker 1: you're saying. You gotta remember, like what year was that
Speaker 1: Google three? I had to get four three or four
Speaker 1: yo pay per view right then let's go. And so
Speaker 1: didn't you let me tell you I didn't come to
Speaker 1: that press confidence to fight. I was in a suit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was in a three piece suit. It's like you know,
Speaker 1: but I did have the fruits to Islam protecting me.
Speaker 1: So they protected me like I wasn't touched in that sense,
Speaker 1: like when when he attacked me, they were there. Uh.
Speaker 1: I didn't want that fight that to happen. In fact,
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it happened. Why would the man attack me?
Speaker 1: So I thought that he never wanted to fight because
Speaker 1: he like um not bo did Yeah you think he
Speaker 1: does a bow move type of thing or not. I'm
Speaker 1: I just thought it was I thought it was a
Speaker 1: sucker sucker move in one sense, like yeo, why is
Speaker 1: he doing it? Doesn't he want the fight to happen.
Speaker 1: We're gonna make millions? What's he doing? But I didn't
Speaker 1: think the millions mattered at that time. So and it
Speaker 1: way when he beat me on my leg, It's like, yo,
Speaker 1: I was shocked that he would bite me on my leg.
Speaker 1: I've never been bit by a human before, and so
Speaker 1: you knew when you got this human man, you knew
Speaker 1: that it's human. It's human. I was actually actually in
Speaker 1: a little shock, like yo, this man bait me. I
Speaker 1: can see the there's a green circle around the bite. Almost. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then this guy is saying that, you know, he
Speaker 1: wants to bruised, he bruised, he wants to he wants
Speaker 1: to eat my kids. I'm I don't know about all
Speaker 1: that jail talking. You know that still comes from jail,
Speaker 1: Jill talk to me. And then also, let's be clear,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a Tyson fan. But he also told a
Speaker 1: reporter I'm as like it was to me. That was
Speaker 1: just wild and wild and yell. We were video tape
Speaker 1: in this whole shit, and you can't this is not
Speaker 1: this is not the guy you met cast No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't know him like that. I don't know him
Speaker 1: like that. I know him as a nice guy. You know,
Speaker 1: you guys are very polite. Yeah, so this is a
Speaker 1: new person to me. So after the fight, this is
Speaker 1: the guy that I know. Because I'm gonna be honest,
Speaker 1: I always felt like you didn't forgive him right out
Speaker 1: in the fight. Right after the fight, everybody's apologizing to you.
Speaker 1: You're definitely not looking at him, You're looking away. You
Speaker 1: gotta remember, you gotta remember I won the fight. So
Speaker 1: I can never look at him badly, like, yo, I
Speaker 1: wanted to fight. I feel good. You know, he's apologized
Speaker 1: on being like this is the fight of the century,
Speaker 1: my brother. Yes, this is the fight that everybody was
Speaker 1: looking forward to. They wanted to see this fight. So
Speaker 1: I'm happy that actually occurred. Instead of like, yo, if
Speaker 1: he would be incarcerating, we never thought that this whole
Speaker 1: argument would be be going for centuries. Now. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you something, but you gotta before you gotta give
Speaker 1: it up to Tyson for his humility after the fight.
Speaker 1: Not only that, Mike Tyson came to UM New York Club.
Speaker 1: I forgot the name of the club right now. It
Speaker 1: escapes me. But when they were uh saying that I was,
Speaker 1: you know, on the spirited champion. He came and said
Speaker 1: and played his respect, and I'm like, yo, this guy
Speaker 1: respects me. Man, this guy's full of respect. I love
Speaker 1: this guy. Yes, yes, I can't remember that because guy's
Speaker 1: got a drinking so so. Uh when you look at
Speaker 1: the arts and all this, like people like lenses, what
Speaker 1: was the odds against you and Tyson? You know, I
Speaker 1: think it was more. Oh it's from Britain, you know,
Speaker 1: horizontal heavyweights. UM you know, they don't have a chance.
Speaker 1: We got we gotta kill it. We got tyson. So
Speaker 1: everybody was looking at me as being a soft englishman
Speaker 1: type of things. So I just wanted to prove him wrong.
Speaker 1: Drink that I got. I got one more shot after me,
Speaker 1: please please. Also, you know, I watched the Dog myself,
Speaker 1: and I noticed from the beginning to the end, you
Speaker 1: had lots of friends, but there was friends that you trusted,
Speaker 1: that you took that car story just to keep you grounded.
Speaker 1: And I want you to talk about that. You know
Speaker 1: the importance of having your friends uh along your journey
Speaker 1: with you. And the second part of the question is
Speaker 1: are your hands still considered lethal weapons? Let me ask
Speaker 1: you the first question. Yes, let me ask I mean
Speaker 1: sex question. What was it about your friends? So he's
Speaker 1: asking you, he's looking at knowing he's asking you that question.
Speaker 1: His friends friends, My friends were important. It was important
Speaker 1: to me to keep my friends there. And you know,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Corney. Corney is such a great friend.
Speaker 1: Me and him were in the same class together. We
Speaker 1: used to give trouble to the teachers football players. He's
Speaker 1: the guy talked about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're on the
Speaker 1: same football team together. Now see the guy who's supposed
Speaker 1: to go be an athlete, left letter trainer, but he
Speaker 1: stopped for you for one fight, the one with the
Speaker 1: with with closing your yeah, and uh, you know he
Speaker 1: knew I know him, I knew him. I know how
Speaker 1: he is. He's a serious guy. He don't ticket, he's
Speaker 1: he's a straight talker. So happen in on my team
Speaker 1: was very important. It was a good asset for me
Speaker 1: because I don't have to worry about if he's gonna
Speaker 1: lie to me, if if money's gonna manipulate him, if
Speaker 1: people are gonna keeping your grounded, keep him me grounded.
Speaker 1: So he was great respect to him as I pulled
Speaker 1: you to the shot. So now you beat Tyson, I
Speaker 1: don't want to ring, Like, do you realize how many
Speaker 1: people love Tyson? Did you get like death threats and
Speaker 1: things like that when you beat Tyson? Like he goes like,
Speaker 1: well the funds, Like you know it must be somebody
Speaker 1: like you know, I knew a lot of people love
Speaker 1: Tyson to the degree where you know I would like,
Speaker 1: for instance, I'm in New York and we're going to
Speaker 1: one of those after hour club. I mean, my boy
Speaker 1: is going to the club alone. As we're walking into
Speaker 1: the club, we're seeing like fifteen guys stomping out one guy.
Speaker 1: And then as we're walking in, the guy comes up
Speaker 1: to me and says, oh, yo, yeah, we love Tyson.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I love Tyson too, And then you know,
Speaker 1: nothing happens. They go on because I'm like, you're ready,
Speaker 1: I'm ready for it. I'm ready to uh and uh.
Speaker 1: You know it's like that. It's like I'm in I'm
Speaker 1: in America, a lot of Tyson fans and I'm the
Speaker 1: man that's saying I'm the best and I'm gonna beat Tyson.
Speaker 1: So you know, I gotta watch where I step because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of Tyson fans. Four quick time I slam.
Speaker 1: Do you remember shot the video? Um, I'm going to
Speaker 1: live my life remember that video? Little extra filming the video,
Speaker 1: little exposed me to the side, says yo. You know.
Speaker 1: Lennis Lewis says, I wanted to chop Little X in
Speaker 1: his fucking throat. Slewis, It's like, let this Lewis canna
Speaker 1: come by and come chills, and We're like, h this
Speaker 1: was come by, come give him five. I'm totally forgetting.
Speaker 1: I'm filming the video. He and this is and Jar
Speaker 1: Rule and they pull up and yeah, roll on them.
Speaker 1: Look and they say, man, Lennix Lynnix. You can tell
Speaker 1: he's just focused. I don't know if you remember this,
Speaker 1: but I remember, like, yes, because I never begave. I
Speaker 1: never forgave, so I looved and John just looked at
Speaker 1: He was like, yo, bro, so you know you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose against Tyson. And I could just look
Speaker 1: at the lyrics he just show. You remember like he
Speaker 1: just he gave him the eyes of pig. He didn't
Speaker 1: really want to. You know, we had invited and I
Speaker 1: could remember. I remember when he beat Tyson. I called
Speaker 1: job man. Yeah, but I could imagine this is his job.
Speaker 1: Job didn't disrespect, he just was He just was versing
Speaker 1: his opinion. But I could imagine what he was going
Speaker 1: through through the world when you when you're walking around people,
Speaker 1: was saying here, no more here. Because even to Puffy,
Speaker 1: I said, Puff, who are you gonna pick? He said,
Speaker 1: I gotta go in New York, New York. After all
Speaker 1: you see, he said, I gotta go in New York.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I respect that. I respect the man
Speaker 1: saying to my face he's going with Tyson, but me
Speaker 1: and my friends because that gave me the heat to
Speaker 1: prove him wrong. Like, yo, bro, I beat and now
Speaker 1: your friends with Dr Drake. God damn it, it's getting
Speaker 1: over his situation. Yeah, drink chairs by the ways up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so just hav into that for a second. Um, most
Speaker 1: people can't get Dr Dre to pick up their phone
Speaker 1: and so they too, Yeah what's that connection? Let me
Speaker 1: tell you. Dr Dre is he's incredible, bro, incredible, Like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this guy is semantic. This guy should be playing chess.
Speaker 1: He's playing chess on a different level. He had the
Speaker 1: e F glasses on to glasses on the glasses in
Speaker 1: a great way. Here's yeah, but what what are you
Speaker 1: hanging out with him? And you say, could you narrow
Speaker 1: my shirt? Or he just says, I meant. I met
Speaker 1: Dre in Miami at a club. I mean we're sitting down.
Speaker 1: He had like six bodyguards and I was sitting next
Speaker 1: to him. I was like, Yo, what's up and mean
Speaker 1: and we're talking for a while, and I realized that
Speaker 1: guy's got a great spirit, great energy. And then when
Speaker 1: I went to his house, she talked to him about
Speaker 1: the documentary. He showed me his big house, beautiful house.
Speaker 1: But he's got a beautiful mind, and he's got he's
Speaker 1: got great positive people around him. His friends are very positive.
Speaker 1: So you know, I told him my thing about doing
Speaker 1: a documentary opened up my life and this and that.
Speaker 1: He said, do it. He said, my friend came every
Speaker 1: day and told me I need to do the documentary.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1: Then after the third time, he said, okay, you do it.
Speaker 1: Then he did it. He said he was glad he
Speaker 1: did it. So that really showed me that I needed
Speaker 1: to do. He said, open up. He said, people want
Speaker 1: to know you. They want to tell him. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we need to know the other part. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: was right. So I did, and he helped me open
Speaker 1: up with my documentary. So godam it makes a noise
Speaker 1: about That's got a segment on the show called quick
Speaker 1: Time a slim. Now, if you don't want to pick
Speaker 1: either one, it's okay, a shot, Okay, all right, all right,
Speaker 1: let's just get it. Let's get his shot, give a
Speaker 1: little something something because I don't know you can't for
Speaker 1: this first one, and I wanna take a shot with
Speaker 1: you whenever you can't take school. You can't pick. Then
Speaker 1: we take a shot. Okay, this first one, you might
Speaker 1: get your shot. Ready, let's do it all right, because
Speaker 1: this is quick time, slim right. The first one is
Speaker 1: England or Canada, the world. I'm like, what are you doing? Okay,
Speaker 1: this this should be easy, but this should be easy
Speaker 1: for you, Mike Tyson, Ali, oh, both come on, we
Speaker 1: can't take before you go to the next one. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you what. Let me tell you why both legends.
Speaker 1: I love them both great uh people, great character, and
Speaker 1: they're living history generationally, they were the great. I'm but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need you choose to stop for here. Now,
Speaker 1: z onsh you got oranges and you've got apples? Which
Speaker 1: one do you put in your grocery basket? Oranges? I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get my shot because I don't know, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, I'm I'm taking a shot. But
Speaker 1: also he said both, He said both, yes, but you
Speaker 1: can't which is the favorite fruit? Oranges or apples? As
Speaker 1: we were too this one, how I look at Biggie
Speaker 1: and Puck oranges and apples. That's why I ain't got
Speaker 1: big pot. But jay Z already said that's the trying
Speaker 1: avoid s Nate Sharon walked in head all right, M
Speaker 1: S G or M G M. Don't know who they are.
Speaker 1: M S G is Master Square Vegas. What you put
Speaker 1: in the from GM Vegas. Yeah, you're talking about two Mecca,
Speaker 1: my shot man? Do you want to put up like
Speaker 1: come rules? Ms G bush into with Patrick? Alight? Alright,
Speaker 1: that's better? Are you better? Hang on? Dr j No, No, Michael,
Speaker 1: I got Louis Joe Lewis or Rocky mar Oh my
Speaker 1: brother brother better. I'm going for the bigger man, Joe
Speaker 1: Louis Joe because because now the reason why I took that,
Speaker 1: because Joe Lewis is bigger. It's a heavyweight, Hea heavyweight,
Speaker 1: I got. I got a couple more, all right, I
Speaker 1: think I think I know you're gonna pick with this,
Speaker 1: Manuel Stewart or Customertil. You got history and science? Which one? History? Science? History?
Speaker 1: You gotta believe history? Please make one because I don't
Speaker 1: gotta because this gets hard after this as hard? All right?
Speaker 1: So no either or oh no history and science so
Speaker 1: you can't break history and side no shot for that.
Speaker 1: But this one is I'm gonna get my shot lined up.
Speaker 1: Jordan's or Kobe. Oh, come on this history of science,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. Let's say. You know, when I
Speaker 1: heard about Kobe's passing, I was so disappointed. I was
Speaker 1: so struck. What really struck me the most was the
Speaker 1: fact that he had his daughter with him. That's so
Speaker 1: he will be forever loved. And you know, every time
Speaker 1: I go in l A, I see different paintings, so
Speaker 1: he will always be remembered. So I expect that. Let's
Speaker 1: have let's have a doing him and his daughter. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have to um, yeah, you have to love Braun
Speaker 1: or Durant Oh talking about too great. That's he's like activity.
Speaker 1: He's like bringing a potato. Let me tell you, both
Speaker 1: of them do positive ship. That's very too. So how
Speaker 1: can you pick one both of them? Let me tell
Speaker 1: you next one. I gonna pick it. I'm gonna pick it.
Speaker 1: Very tough. This is easy. Kim, oh, foxy brown baby,
Speaker 1: big respect to little Kim because she was the first.
Speaker 1: Thing was she was the first. She did it the most,
Speaker 1: she did enough things, and she's opened the way for
Speaker 1: the young kids that are coming up now. So little
Speaker 1: Kim is there. And let me tell you, I was
Speaker 1: walking at one time. I think I was in the
Speaker 1: fountain blue or something, and she was out there and
Speaker 1: I walked past, and she goes, hey, you don't remember me.
Speaker 1: You don't know me? Like you so looking like whoa?
Speaker 1: So uh? She she's actually at pool side, so you know,
Speaker 1: we don't know what it's going. I feel like he's
Speaker 1: getting Kim is sweet. She's okay, my shot ready? Yea,
Speaker 1: boca biggie, this is you know where this is going?
Speaker 1: Because a hazard of sunds questions. You gotta put yourself
Speaker 1: unless he's like does the sunny. But lest you pick somebody,
Speaker 1: you're not picking two bacca biggie. Right, That's that's cool.
Speaker 1: What's cool. I'm picking somebody, y'all picking somebody. I'm picking
Speaker 1: history and science, history and science, science, science, same back
Speaker 1: of groceries, indoortory or outdoor training? I say winter training.
Speaker 1: That's outdoor. No. Let me tell you why. When I
Speaker 1: was training in the winter, I got in the best
Speaker 1: shape of my life. You know why, because I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't stop. If he dies, he dies, because you've
Speaker 1: got to keep yourself water right, if he dies, he dies,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Your science guy. What's your favorite subject?
Speaker 1: All right, all right, so here's the crazy ship. Here,
Speaker 1: here's my engine. Up. Floyd Mayweather or Sugar. I gotta
Speaker 1: say Floyd in this let me let me say very
Speaker 1: good and let me tell you I'm wrong on both,
Speaker 1: because you know Sugary lind is a legend and he's
Speaker 1: I've watched a couple of fights of him where he's
Speaker 1: impressed me. So you know when you say which one,
Speaker 1: science baby, science baby, you already picked me Weather. Yes,
Speaker 1: I got to take a shot for that. Ready, this one.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure clear what you want to say? Dr
Speaker 1: Dre Pop daddy, Dr Daddy? How can you put two
Speaker 1: legends and say to pick one you've been saying just
Speaker 1: go to narrative. Man, I'm all in, I'm all in.
Speaker 1: I'm all in another shop to Dre is a legend?
Speaker 1: Is a legend? Drink so much like the next minute,
Speaker 1: and let me tell you something, bro slot Brott. One
Speaker 1: two more questions. Please tell him to tell him tell
Speaker 1: loyalty or respect? Come on, let's finish that. Finish that first.
Speaker 1: Already you're talking, you're talking apples, all right, young into
Speaker 1: the question, man, I already we mean poor drink your shot,
Speaker 1: just this one I don't believe you. And this is
Speaker 1: the last one. You acted like an apple right now,
Speaker 1: give you another one. And this one, I know how
Speaker 1: he's going to answer this one. This is the very
Speaker 1: last quick time with slop. Is everybody here knock out
Speaker 1: all t K that's easy, nut, you know it? Baby?
Speaker 1: Come on? Got that? Everybody? Come on, man, I asked
Speaker 1: me another question. Oh no, we're good. We got you
Speaker 1: guys have a quick time with drink had sports pass.
Speaker 1: Let's go, Let's go on. I got one. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take a week, guys, I got one. I got one,
Speaker 1: I got one. Yeah, let's go Frank or Kelly? Oh,
Speaker 1: take it down. I like Frank Kelly. The fact that
Speaker 1: you know, I knew Frank as Frank for the whole
Speaker 1: of his life. When he turned into Kelly. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: if if this is what you want to do the
Speaker 1: first yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the first Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not going to find it. If that's what's if
Speaker 1: that's gonna if that's Donna stopped very hot. I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm not to fight at all. The bab like
Speaker 1: we could go with him. Okay, I want to know
Speaker 1: what basketball team did you like, don't tell you, tell
Speaker 1: me Boston. He was, I knew it and I see it. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. Tell him so Holy Mormon, because
Speaker 1: this is very like you know, I like Frank, but
Speaker 1: then I like Kelly after that words. But you were
Speaker 1: like the first person to have like like a Bosh
Speaker 1: Jenner and you can't. It wasn't in my camp in
Speaker 1: a sense. What he did was really realized that this
Speaker 1: he wasn't happy with himself, so he wanted to be Kelly.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if that's what you want to beat Kelly,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna make you happy, and it's gonna make
Speaker 1: you it's gonna save your life because if you're thinking
Speaker 1: about right, right, if you're gonna if you're trying to
Speaker 1: hurt yourself, and you feel that if you become Kelly,
Speaker 1: you'll be all right. I'm with it, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't want people to commit suicide on different things.
Speaker 1: But the way he communicates with you or or yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean you don't have to be conflicted
Speaker 1: because you know, Jamaicans are probably though deepest, rudest boom Yo.
Speaker 1: You hang around with a lot of Jamaicans so you
Speaker 1: know what's going on, what's going on your body. I
Speaker 1: realized that some of them come to me and say,
Speaker 1: you know what every man should live with how they
Speaker 1: want to live. Yes, some of them. But it's not old. No. No,
Speaker 1: I believe in that you're talking about. I believe in
Speaker 1: people should live how they want to live. You want
Speaker 1: to live like that, that's okay. I'm not fighting against you.
Speaker 1: I believe that too. I believe what you believe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we the world. The world is round. It's not flat,
Speaker 1: it's not square, it's round. So we we got to
Speaker 1: open up ourselves and be open to different things. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So if people have that in their mind, if you
Speaker 1: want to be a certain way, I'm not fighting against you.
Speaker 1: That's how you want to live your life. This is
Speaker 1: your existence. So I'm not against it. Who's on your side? Actually? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I said, it doesn't change the communication he had
Speaker 1: with you from the beginning or no, no, no. So, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, when I look at Kelly, you know what
Speaker 1: his choices are and what he wants to do, and
Speaker 1: the fact that he's doing it. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: fighting against him that he was the first. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he's not the first especially at that time, and he
Speaker 1: didn't do it against you. He obviously it was hard
Speaker 1: for him. All right. Yeah, I mean, if the man
Speaker 1: wants to do a certain thing, I'm gonna think about
Speaker 1: it and say, if that's what you want to do it,
Speaker 1: I'm there, I'm there, I'm like, I'm supporting it. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't want people to commit suicide. If they want
Speaker 1: to do commit suicide, live your life and not literally
Speaker 1: like life. I was gonna say that hasn't been the
Speaker 1: high life from the documentary where he started as him
Speaker 1: and then as Kelly, So that shouldn't change the perspective
Speaker 1: of who he is as a person, right right, right
Speaker 1: right the old call where it wasn't like it. It's
Speaker 1: crazy because how they put it in the documentary. I
Speaker 1: thought they put it perfectly. To that perfectly too, because
Speaker 1: a lot of us don't understand what's going on, but
Speaker 1: we respect, Yeah, and that's all we gotta do. Just
Speaker 1: like you know, it's not fuss to understand to respect
Speaker 1: everybody in individual choices like that. Respected. You know. There's
Speaker 1: a little thing going on in in in the world
Speaker 1: right now. There's this Magan aspect going off with with
Speaker 1: with what's going on with the world. Magan Marco Marco
Speaker 1: maker Marco about that. How do you feel about someone? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you know she's she has shown that there's
Speaker 1: different things going on that she had to deal with
Speaker 1: and how she came out of it. Morgan says, she's alive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's Morgan is a bully. Is a bully in one Segan,
Speaker 1: you can't shut me down? Fuck you, anybody to do.
Speaker 1: I don't have actually even must let's say even my partner.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't give They're gonna let me do
Speaker 1: what the fun I want doing. In your early years
Speaker 1: growing up, it's more he did that for you. You
Speaker 1: couldn't do it for yourself. You say, it's almost over.
Speaker 1: Man's a profession in your early years growing up in Britain.
Speaker 1: Would you agree with what she said? Did you feel
Speaker 1: any of that? But racism? What she said was was
Speaker 1: her reality and I appreciate the fact that it came
Speaker 1: out so people can actually talk about it. And I
Speaker 1: think that talking about is very important because it gets
Speaker 1: people's views and what she's gone through. Like, for instance,
Speaker 1: we don't know where she's gone through, but she told
Speaker 1: us what she's gone through her truth. Yea, her truth,
Speaker 1: and we have to listen to it. This is the
Speaker 1: first time that you know, anybody, Yeah, a black woman's
Speaker 1: being involved in in the can It's not surprising. These
Speaker 1: are monarchies that are centuries old. Yeah, you're right, Labory
Speaker 1: or whatever. Everything that's happened in the world. You're right,
Speaker 1: You're right, it happens. And it's interesting that's brought to
Speaker 1: the forefront. It's important that it's brought to the forefront
Speaker 1: because what she's saying, she's saying that she's involved in
Speaker 1: the family and she felt like yo, she felt that
Speaker 1: nobody was with her, and she felt that she needed
Speaker 1: to um tell the people what was happening around her.
Speaker 1: And so that was happening. That was that was That
Speaker 1: was good, That was positive. It's it's interesting because it
Speaker 1: helps us, you know, open up, open up and speak
Speaker 1: about what's happening. The opening where it's like the memes,
Speaker 1: the memes where they're like the English family how they
Speaker 1: see the baby, and then how the English family see
Speaker 1: the baby? Did you see that? Yeah? I did? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it's reality. You know if she felt that way,
Speaker 1: and you know, I understand that people will talk about
Speaker 1: the future and how the future looks. So if they're saying,
Speaker 1: what color is the baby gonna be? That's positive talk.
Speaker 1: You don't know Makan how she looks. You wouldn't think
Speaker 1: she was black, but she's black beautiful. Would that be
Speaker 1: positive talking? I think it's positive because it's talk. You know,
Speaker 1: people are interested inquiry. It's absolitive, absolutely right. You know,
Speaker 1: if somebody says, oh, what color is the baby going
Speaker 1: to be? It's not positive? Who cares? But that's not positive.
Speaker 1: It's positive. You know why it say it's positive because
Speaker 1: it's it's been spoken about. Somebody's saying, I wonder what
Speaker 1: the color of the baby is going to be? Like,
Speaker 1: that's not positive, you know, it's it's it's it's an inquiry.
Speaker 1: It's an inquiry. If a top person has a baby
Speaker 1: with a small person, is a positive to say are
Speaker 1: they gonna be sure? No, it's just an inquiry. But
Speaker 1: that's actually an obvious conversation. But it's a conversation conversation.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a baby with my person? Are they
Speaker 1: going to be dark skinned? That's not positive as an inquiry,
Speaker 1: you know it's not, but it's a positive. But it's
Speaker 1: not negative. Depending on what you're asking the question, it's
Speaker 1: a conversation. Thank you, it's a conversation. Your conversation, and
Speaker 1: the conversation. If the klansman is saying, what colors the baby?
Speaker 1: That's negative, it's a conversation why because because it can
Speaker 1: go both us. Tell him why he asked me to
Speaker 1: tell him? Why tell him to tell you? Why? Tell
Speaker 1: me why? If you think it's positive, it's positive. If
Speaker 1: you think it's negative, I get that that spiritual spirit.
Speaker 1: I can say if the crisman's asking, he's probably not positive,
Speaker 1: he's probably he's probably not the same. What the fun
Speaker 1: we did makes it? You're gonna take a can I
Speaker 1: take a picture where you study, look, get up, drink
Speaker 1: ship ship. So this what was done? This was done
Speaker 1: well before we get out of I do because I
Speaker 1: want to go back to South Africa real because I
Speaker 1: went to South Africa. I miss some great people and
Speaker 1: I want to shot them out real quick because they're
Speaker 1: gonna be watching this into There was a place called
Speaker 1: and I don't want to I'm gonna butcher. The name
Speaker 1: slack Us, which means butcher, butcher or butchery. And it
Speaker 1: was like they're like their spot where like the rappers
Speaker 1: Win and and MCS, the top MCS came out of
Speaker 1: there and I want to just shot them out. Selema
Speaker 1: rights another m C out there, so shout out to them.
Speaker 1: Everybody that I met out there in South Africa is amazing.
Speaker 1: Can what can you tell us about South Africa For
Speaker 1: the people that haven't been there, I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: I got out of it, which was insane hearing them
Speaker 1: talk about apartheid openly in open spaces, with every every
Speaker 1: race in the in the room. They just talk conversations
Speaker 1: like we're saying, here's the way I heard it over there.
Speaker 1: And they're still going through ship like they still have
Speaker 1: a lot of problems in South Africa, but they talk openly, loud, proud,
Speaker 1: no matter what they're talking about the past, the present, future, whatever,
Speaker 1: and and nobody's like blinking an eye of like is
Speaker 1: a white guy there is this guy in terms of
Speaker 1: that conversation, that conversation, yes, the way they embrace it, Yes,
Speaker 1: the way they talk about the conversation. Yes, I would
Speaker 1: have I would say that's what I got out of
Speaker 1: out of that trip. And Drain Drain could speak, I
Speaker 1: don't know King documentary. But damn part though the serious
Speaker 1: like you gotta think about the party. When did they finish,
Speaker 1: Like maybe less than thirty four years ago. Part Time
Speaker 1: is fairly new in terms of like all of our
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a current thing that happened in
Speaker 1: our lifetime. Okay, let me tell you about the part time.
Speaker 1: I didn't know there was like, uh, you met Nelson. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: a thing where there's a there's a chart where the
Speaker 1: black people, the Indian people, the less light people after
Speaker 1: they were on a chart that what they call colors
Speaker 1: over there, which that was a new thing that I
Speaker 1: never understood, and so I got there the days still
Speaker 1: bro Indian people have to live with Indian people. People
Speaker 1: have to live where the black people live. Light skin
Speaker 1: people out the black people are the Africans. Yeah you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, the black of African Let me
Speaker 1: talk one question still. But I didn't know there was
Speaker 1: a colored thing. And the colored thing is like if
Speaker 1: a comb goes through your hair, then you live with
Speaker 1: her in a place don't go through you. You have
Speaker 1: to live over there. In the Firth Certificate, we found
Speaker 1: that out. Yeah, they put cape colored colored means Mulatto
Speaker 1: for us cape colored. And that means that's your race,
Speaker 1: that's who you are, that's what you are. You have
Speaker 1: to live over there, that's how you live. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's your status. Meant this is not only as
Speaker 1: a comb going to go through my hair, but guess what,
Speaker 1: I'm everywhere whateverywhere. Listen, bro I wouldn't want to know
Speaker 1: what kind of shampoo it his shoulder. Man, I can't
Speaker 1: thank you so much, thank you bro. No, but I
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like I feel like I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like he still wants. I feel like
Speaker 1: you want to beat the Clifsico bros. Yeah, beat the
Speaker 1: ferocious one, not not because the other one was like
Speaker 1: a doctor, right, the other one was. And then you
Speaker 1: beat the one that's like you want to fight. When
Speaker 1: you beat them, what made you even want to take
Speaker 1: that fight? You? You beat Tyson both of the time. No,
Speaker 1: Clisco brothers are great. Want to fight Ivando glob Toms. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: Clissco They're the next generation. They came after me, so, um,
Speaker 1: you know they paid their contribution to boxing financial right, Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that. I respect them for that. I
Speaker 1: respect them for that. You could have retired and just
Speaker 1: walked away, but you wanted to this virus Russians. I've
Speaker 1: been driving this is fucking I don't want I don't
Speaker 1: have your number at the time, and my mom texting
Speaker 1: you don't take this fight. Why are you fighting Ivan Dragon?
Speaker 1: You beat my typon, just leave it alone. What made
Speaker 1: you want to do that? Because I had the opportunity
Speaker 1: of boxing the next generation. Great fucking some some somebody
Speaker 1: said to me. Somebody said to me said, like, yo,
Speaker 1: you're the best of this generation. That other generation is
Speaker 1: right there. You can beat them and then retire. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're right, That's what the goal is. That's what I
Speaker 1: wanted to do. I wanted Hawaiian Guy. It was I
Speaker 1: wanted to someone I wanted to I wanted to have
Speaker 1: my generation be the best of my generation and be
Speaker 1: the best of the next generation coming. So that's why
Speaker 1: I bought of Clisco. Let me ask your first, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be super personal. Our Cubans, good boxers, Cubans from
Speaker 1: the Island, great box It's very important there actually to me.
Speaker 1: To me, the Cuban boxes are the best boxes in
Speaker 1: the world. Cubans, I mean the Cubans. Woman, He said,
Speaker 1: the best listen to the best amateur fighters and right
Speaker 1: before you hit se look at that. So they they focused,
Speaker 1: they sacrificed, and they worked and that's what made them
Speaker 1: the great amateur fighters of today. So what do they
Speaker 1: need to be beyond amateurs? Well, do you have to
Speaker 1: leave Cuban fighters don't turn pro because of the politics, right,
Speaker 1: because they're they're they're Cuban amateurs for life. They're not
Speaker 1: allowed to turn pro because the Cuban system doesn't allow
Speaker 1: them to right against the government. Right, the great amateur
Speaker 1: fighters normal for me are the Haitian asked me, correct,
Speaker 1: I mean they pushed towards the baseball, the sport that's
Speaker 1: my father. Well, the ones that they could get out
Speaker 1: of the country. I used to watch boxing with my father,
Speaker 1: and I never knew they were like the became about you,
Speaker 1: nib ever in New York's Cuban never but I know,
Speaker 1: I get out of the tremendous fighters. But then he
Speaker 1: just said, now I understand what my property should watch
Speaker 1: because guess what, they never turned the side of my ship.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna to signate to But wait, I got a question.
Speaker 1: I got a question listen, bro I don't have you
Speaker 1: gotta be gloves. I sunked up. I want to wait
Speaker 1: about stick a red Come on, come on? Asked me
Speaker 1: what gloves? I love you? What gloves you loves champion? Yes,
Speaker 1: they got different like Everlast because obviously Mohammad ali War
Speaker 1: ever Last, that's mine. By the way, Sonny, don't play yourself. No, no,
Speaker 1: give it to him to sign. Please, I would appreciate it. No,
Speaker 1: but before we before we ended to have a have
Speaker 1: questions for you, please ask me. I want to make
Speaker 1: sure you had to take care of it. Can you
Speaker 1: sign that? Please? That sticker? Thank you? Okay, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: let us take us away before Sunny tried to option it, honeven,
Speaker 1: let sign it. I would get another way. I haven't
Speaker 1: had to have two great questions. Have two great questions
Speaker 1: you had? No, No, I have two questions. I take it.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna get him intem Yeah. Yeah, don't you
Speaker 1: had him sign your face? Drink Chance Sports. Please, that's
Speaker 1: a good one, Paul, that's a good one, right, drink
Speaker 1: Chance Sports. And and my and my name is Paul Value.
Speaker 1: But wait, the question is this last question? Is it? Please? Please?
Speaker 1: One more question? Take this opportunity to drink Chance Sports
Speaker 1: to save this question. You went too far. You know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say you won the Sports Personality of the
Speaker 1: Year at the same moment Muhammad Ali won Sports Century
Speaker 1: Sports Sports Century of the Year. How did you feel
Speaker 1: about that sharing that stage with him? I felt great.
Speaker 1: I think it was an honor to be alongside with
Speaker 1: my hero, with the person that actually got me involved
Speaker 1: in boxing. Everybody. He Yeah, it made me realize that yo,
Speaker 1: you know, this is a goal and how he actually
Speaker 1: did his sing, So it was an honor being a
Speaker 1: part of that. That is excellent. The follow up question
Speaker 1: would be you were on the song with Talip quality
Speaker 1: rad dig an exhibit called you did You did? You
Speaker 1: did an intro to that song hip hop. I had
Speaker 1: to bring it to a hip hop stop. My stroke
Speaker 1: West is from Canada. Boom. He made a song about me.
Speaker 1: A couple of people made a song in history about me,
Speaker 1: you know, and please I respect everyone that made a
Speaker 1: song about me because I respect that because a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't know but you. But you intro that
Speaker 1: song and I want to show it right here, go on, Ah,
Speaker 1: this is Lennox Lewis undisputed everywhere, chump, he's getting more
Speaker 1: collectibles over here off the coast. You got my gloves. Gloves,
Speaker 1: He's like, are you gonna make an nst. Let's let
Speaker 1: me tell you something, man. Let's take you gotta finish
Speaker 1: your ship. Hold on and let's do another shot, and
Speaker 1: please take the smoke, Champs. Let me let me tell
Speaker 1: you something, bro, Lennox. This is the first time I've
Speaker 1: ever interviewed somebody. And when they said you're a gentleman
Speaker 1: and a scholar, he told you that I was so
Speaker 1: confused life. In life, you're a gentleman and your scholar
Speaker 1: and he's example. This is the first time in life
Speaker 1: interviewed hung out hang out with what a gentleman and
Speaker 1: a Scott Hold and if you want to know more
Speaker 1: about me, watch my documentary. This is the Untold Story
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