WEBVTT - Episode 254 w/ Lennox Lewis 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.520 Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of the Black Effect 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:17.800 and I Heart Radio and his Drink Chess, motherfucking podcast. Mason. 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.920 He's a legendary queen's wrapper. He's segree is your boy 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:25.239 in O R E. He's a Miami hippoper pioneer up 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:27.960 his DJ E f N. Together they drink it up 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:31.400 with some of the biggest players in the most professional 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:35.600 unprofessional podcast. And yet number one sort for drunk fast 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:40.600 drinks mother every day is New year' z. That's Strike Champs. 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:49.800 Trink up? Would it good be? Hopefully? This would it 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:51.519 should be? This is your boy in O R E. 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:53.920 One ups d J E F and his Drink Chess, 0:00:53.960 --> 0:01:01.000 motherfucking happy Hour Mason and ranging out the person that 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.560 we have in front of us. When you think of champion, 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:10.440 I don't think the word champion is is enough. You 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:16.560 gotta call him the champion, Champion, Champion, he has defended 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.720 his title to the most. This is this is the 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.240 real boxing league right now. Boxing kind of seems soft 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:24.480 of so sorry for you even a boxing now, but 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.280 I mean the real boxing league where everyone was for 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:31.680 roaches and you were first that preft conferences and and 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:36.480 the man has held from England of Jamaican descent and 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:41.920 all the rosters, all the roster he's from Draihood from 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:48.600 England and he's Jamaican, so he's un Jamaican descent. Front 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:51.840 of England went over to Canada for in the Olympics, 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:57.480 dominated there, went pro and beat everybody. In fact, when 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:00.480 you look at this documentary, you realize not only did 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.000 he beat all of his ponents, most of the paroners 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:09.200 was running from it. He went to catch skill New 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.600 York and met up with the CHAMPI and they said 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:13.400 that one day the Champ one and then the next 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:15.840 day that on the Champ one, and it was destined 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.640 for them to meet at at the end, and they 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:20.720 met at the end. In case you don't know who 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:29.080 we're talking about, we're talking about the remarkable, the impeggable motherfucker. Now. 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:33.000 One thing that one thing struck me immediately studying you 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:41.680 was the Bob Molly what's it called crazy wall As 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:45.440 don't watching the documentary, I see that this repeats itself, 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.600 So I was like, it was something that that What 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:53.560 does that song mean? Okay, you know it's interesting that 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:55.840 you said that first. Thank you for the introduction that 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.919 was great. Um, and it's a pleasure being here with 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:04.440 you guys. Let's good or quick? What do you want 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.720 to start with? Oh, okay, let's go and but you 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:09.160 know what we're gonna go all lot, well have your 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:14.679 own red let's just do it song. Um. You know 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.480 I used to go dances all the time, especially reggae dances, 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:22.320 and I like clash dances, so you know, the sounds 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:26.080 sound clashes. So for me, you know, if you're gonna 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.680 go or work to a song, it's got to mean something. 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.040 You know, going to the ring, it's got to mean something. 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.720 And crazy Ball it's meant a lot to me because 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:38.600 I started growing my locks because of like a situation 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.320 and I said, you know, I'm just gonna focus and um, 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.760 I'm gonna grow my hair. So you know, my friends 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.800 were saying, you know, John, which is God wouldn't give 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:52.760 the power to a ball head. So you know, that's 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.280 why that's why I started growing my locks to gain 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:59.080 my strength, because I had a Samson like complex. You know. 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:01.760 As my of grew, I just felt I got stronger 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.280 type of things. So that's the that's that was the 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.000 vibe going in the ring, you know, chasing all the 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:15.080 crazy ballads out of the town because you know, because 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:19.000 you want to um, because you know why. When I 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:21.760 first noticed it was against Tyson. So at first I 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.360 didn't listen to the lyrics. I'm thinking, this is a 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.840 record that you're you're deliberately making towards Tyson. But then 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:30.160 later on I found out it's a deeper meaning. I 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:34.520 found out that it was almost about skinheads. Yeah, well 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.040 I don't know about that, but it's it's really how 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:39.279 it means, what it means to you. What it meant 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.360 to me was like, yo, you know, I've got here 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.800 and I'm chasing all the crazy ballards out of the town. 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:49.120 That's in roster culture. Like growing the hair of the 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.159 dreads not a part of that, Yeah, of course, yeah, 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.839 I mean you know, um um. People I grew up 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.600 with with Rasta's part of a band, part of you know, 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.160 and I found that they were more spiritual, you know, 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.000 they were my teachers without you know, of life, and 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.280 it was it was important for them to grow their 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.880 hair and not allow a comb to touch it, and 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.160 a lot of them felt that if they cut their 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.440 hair they would catch a cold and get sick. So 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:22.000 the hair really gave them strength. Now let's get talking 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.360 to the beginning real quick. Miss Baker, let's open that up. Yeah, 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:30.719 Miss Baker, like she was the woman right who took over. Yeah, 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.680 what happened with miss Baker. Miss Baker is actually my 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:37.120 mom's friend. And my mom left and immigrated to Canada. 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.240 You know that immigration story. I'm sure a lot of 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:43.480 people have that. And you know, she couldn't take me 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.599 at that time, so she left me with a good friend, 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:50.840 Miss Baker, in East London. And you know, Miss Laker 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:52.800 was a good friend to her. I think they took 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:58.080 nurse in together. Anyway, my mom immigrated to Canada with 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.600 her friend over there and uh, you know, looking for 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:03.840 a new life type of thing, and left me with 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.360 Miss Baker. And Miss Baker wasn't really too nice to me. 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.480 You know, I don't know what happened in between. Her 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.880 husband was really nice to me, but she wasn't nice 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.719 to me. Even um sometimes I would um he would 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.640 go and leave me alone with her and she would 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:22.240 just be shouting away and you know, cursing at me. 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.159 You were the only child in the house at the time, 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.560 so um, you know I didn't. I grew to not 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.720 like her too much. But it's interesting because I went 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.680 back years later and she jumped at me and hugged me, 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.160 you know, probably died. He was trying to teach or 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:44.920 something like that. I don't know. I don't know. Well, 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.720 that's what it is. I don't think she had any children, 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.600 so this was like, you know, new to her, oh, 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:54.400 new to her, and uh not everybody suited to be 0:06:54.480 --> 0:07:03.680 a parent. I was scared. So so let me tell 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:08.880 you the only problem I have with the documentary. It's 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:13.400 so well put together, it's so d narrating it less. 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.120 I didn't realize until the end of it. I was 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:19.520 like this voice beginning. My only problem is I didn't 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:21.520 hear about it as much, like I don't feel like 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:26.600 they promoted it. Um, you're right, they should have promoted 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.360 a little bit more. But um, it's it's one of 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.480 those stories that anytime you watch it, it's gonna impress you, 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.080 you know what I mean. So even if you're late, 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:36.480 it's still gonna impress you, and you're gonna still be 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:40.000 happy about it because it's a good story, especially around nowadays, 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.000 and you know, there's a lot of different people, a 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.360 lot of immigrants coming in, you know, for them to 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:47.000 connect to the story. How did you connect to the story? 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.160 Man Um? First off, one of my favorite boxes. I 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:54.280 don't know if you know that, Um, and it always 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.640 amazed me. I knew you was a chess player, but 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.840 you knowing what I'll be seeing you played chest because 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.240 I've watched in the ring and that's that's who you are. 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:07.440 So for me, when I dug deep, the best part 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:11.840 was for me to see how how content you are, 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:15.040 like when people were talking like even for Tyson, like Tyson, 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:17.440 I want to eat your children like that was and 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.080 you sat back and you did an interview and you said, well, 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:21.920 I hope he's a vegetarian. At the time, I was like, 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:26.280 that's the you can say. But what it is this 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:30.320 a person? I think? Was it Larry Merchant? No, No, 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.760 not Merchant, Jim Lampley Um And he said a lot 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.199 of people don't understand and they don't realize that you 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.520 come from the hood just like them. It's just you. 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:40.880 You have the britst action mixed with a little bit 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.640 of Canadian. People think because you thought proper that you 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.640 had the like proper, I'll bring it like like like 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:48.360 he was with the Queen of England or something like that. 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.360 They don't realize it from East London. So how was that? 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.520 How was that that was good? I mean East London 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:56.440 is a is a place is you know, it's an 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.839 important place in London. All the all the famous and 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:05.640 the other famous people come from East London. So it's 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.559 not right, No, that's South London. That's South London. But 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:10.679 the whole doesn't matter. We're in London. It's like you're 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:12.760 London or you're you're you're from the UK, so that 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.400 doesn't matter. I don't I don't understand why people have 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.920 these different areas and say we own this series. It's 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:22.480 like the whole place. Um. Yeah, and you know there 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.520 there's a code of ethics in in one sense, like 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.640 you know, a handshake is good as a contract, your 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:30.760 word is your bond. You know. I grew up on 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:34.559 those type of ethics and you know it's followed me 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.920 through through life because it's the East London way of life. Now, mum, 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:41.960 you also played football and baseball. What would have happened 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:43.640 if you would have made it on these other sports? 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:49.120 What do you think? Football? Baseball? I didn't play basketball, basketball. 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.679 You know, I wanted to play basketball so much because yeah. 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.480 I wanted to be like so great at basketball, but 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.280 then when you guys, when you got like five five 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.360 guys jumping over your head, was like, okay, maybe this 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.640 is the wrong sport for me. You know. I remember 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.679 going for rebounding like four guys smaller than me was 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.480 jumping over me and grabbing the ball. So I was like, no, 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.559 this is not the one. You know, the football was 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:17.160 played in football football. I was a running back. Okay, okay, 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.640 I was a running back. We paid, We played out 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.679 of the I formation. I was the last one and 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.000 I love football. Yeah. Football was great to this day. 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:36.920 Yeah yeah, please straight on. Somebody gave me the straight 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.160 arm one time and I never forgot it. I'm like, yo, 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:41.679 I went to go tackle him and I was flying 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.640 through the air because it was like hitting me something. 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.400 I thought. I thought he was gonna get involved with. 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:48.880 I don't know why I did. I thought it's gonna 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:54.120 get involved a wrestling. Wrestling, No, well wrestling to me. 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.520 I actually did wrestling in school, but I didn't do 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:04.360 like wrestling. Oh yeah yeah yeah. Because you know, I'm 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.320 a character. I believe, I believe. I believe you've got 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.679 to represent England and like yeah, I believe. What do 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:14.240 you like being told why? In the documentary it says 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.920 you're a world person, but if you had to choose one, 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.520 what would you want to be? Um? Like, you know, yeah, 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:24.640 I mean, um, a citizen of the world. Yeah, because 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:26.440 you know, a lot of people stay in one place, 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.080 they don't get to travel. I'm so glad I got 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.040 to travel at a young age because I got to realize, 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.160 like you know, in in Um, where do they go 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:36.920 in Europe? You know when you go to the bathroom, 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.800 they ain't no toilet paper. There's like newspaper on the floor, 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.079 Like you gotta grab some newspaper. And it's like, you know, 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.040 coming to reality and saying, wow, we've got we've got 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:51.520 toilet in the ground. Yes, yes, so we've we've got 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:53.520 a toilet and we've got toilet papers. So I should 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:57.480 be thankful, you know. You know it's not I'm not suffering. 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:02.480 Those people are suffering. So um. Yeah, traveling at a 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.760 young age is very important. I went to a lot 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:10.600 of different places. Worldview and your neighborhood becomes like also, 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.720 you know, playing chess at a young age. I would 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.480 say to a lot of kids out there to play chess, 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:21.000 because chess helps you think, helps you plan, and helps 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:24.959 you predict the future. In one sense, when you play chess, 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:29.160 or when a kid plays chess, he's sinking five moves ahead. 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.160 So you know, the kids that don't play chessing that 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.679 are getting in trouble, they're not thinking before what they're doing. 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:38.280 The chess players are thinking, they're not gonna go Robert 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.520 Store or stick somebody up, because everything thought of the 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:45.360 five moves afterwards, yes, of what could happen to them. 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:52.600 So that's why I always pushed chess a young kids. Now, Ah, 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.240 other Olympics you could have you could have you could 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:01.040 have represented as England, but you chose to represent Canada. 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.600 What made you do that? Um? You know I left 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.640 England and you know, Canada was the country that actually 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.640 nurtured me. That's where my mother was. And when I 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.520 came over to Canada, I learned all kinds of things. 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:17.719 First thing I learned was snow. Yo, what is this 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.959 white thing? Wait? Wait, hold on, but it was it 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:30.559 was snow in England though right, not like that's like 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:35.880 New York. I learned, okay, how to deal with the 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:43.280 cold winter sports? Ice skating. Um, we're learning about Long 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:48.000 John's because I used to like two pants Long John's. 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.520 Learning about you know, hockey and all these different sports. 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:57.079 So that was really an eye opener for me, just 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:01.600 learning different things and learning basketball, football. My first sports 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:03.839 were actually soccer and cricket, so I didn't know any 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.800 other sport but soccer and cricket. Okays the ship we've 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.040 told down in the paddle. Yeah, I think I'm nice 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.199 in that. For some reason, it's about I think I 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:12.800 think I'm nice in it. I think I think I'm 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:14.640 play cricket. I'm just I don't know. It's not as 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:16.880 easy as to think. It does look No, it doesn't 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.960 look at it does. When throws the ball down and 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:23.080 bounces and it comes up, you have to remember, you know, 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.680 depends on what spin that that they give the ball 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:28.720 it could go, who it could go, Who it could 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.360 go who you're not. You don't. You don't know until 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.400 that hits the floor and then you got to react. 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.840 Mr Lee, I'm ready for shots. Maybe hold on. Goddamn, 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:42.000 I think I'm nice and cricket. I think you never 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:45.200 play cricket. Let's do. Let's try drink chance drunk cricket. 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.120 You be you gotta be drunk to do cricket anyway. No, no, 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.560 if that ball hits just a kunk, good. So um 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.520 we we all right. If we already talked about the Olympics. 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:01.320 But this is the part that was shocking to me 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:06.600 that I did not know. I remember giving up his title, 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:10.960 but I did not know your ridd Bow before in 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.960 the Olympics. Yeah, now, not only you four in the Olympics. 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.080 Let's just be clear. You want the gold medal. But 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.040 you came up to him when you said, I'm going 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:23.280 to knock you out? And this is why did you 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.280 single out Riddick Bo? Was he the number one contender? No, 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.440 you want to hear the joke. I went to the 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:33.520 Olympics and everybody kept on coming up to me and said, oh, 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.960 Rick's both say is gonna knock you out? Like who's 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:41.240 really both? And it was really members of the UM 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:46.120 American team and a couple of other people say yeah, yeah, 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:48.080 rid boy is gonna knock you out. I'm like, who's 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.720 Riddick Bo. So I'm like, you know, I asked one 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:52.760 of the guys, could you take me to Riddick Bow please, 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.000 so that we you know, we went and we found him. 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:59.040 We looked for a while. Anyway, I've seen him, walked 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.000 up to him and said, listen, and I want to 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:04.040 knock you out. Did you introduce yourself? You said, I'm 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:08.120 Lenni Lewis. No, No, I just said when I walked away. 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.600 Then he was like, who's that? Who's that? He's gonna 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:15.560 find out who I am. And because I thought it 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.320 was disrespectful for him to say he's gonna he's gonna 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.960 beat me and he didn't even know me. Was this guy? 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:25.160 I didn't know him either. So I'm glad that we fought, 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:29.800 and you know, I knocked him outright, I want I 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.800 want to get it. Ye, that's cool, that's cool. Okay, yeah, yeah, 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:38.240 because because because all right in America, boat goes on 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:44.800 and he has this career. Is this a secret between 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.960 you guys or there's other people that know that what 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.960 happened in the Olympics. No, nobody really knew. You say 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.120 it was a secret between us guys. So when he 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.200 when he boxed holy Field and he came out of 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.880 the ring, for some reason, he walked past me. I 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.720 don't know if it was like on purpose, but he 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:03.960 was saying, oh, you're not right I'm like, not right, 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.360 what do you tell are you talking about anyway? I'm 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.479 gonna knock you out? He said it to you, now, 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.240 I said that to him. I said that to him 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.120 again because you remember the first one. So I said 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.879 it to him again because it's the same thing. And 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:20.119 then he got all heated and then he never fought me. 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.680 He never fought me. Put the belt, the WBC belt 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:27.040 in the garbage, which is a disrespect. Another disrespect to 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:33.200 Momadala at least faces on their past champions. So I 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.000 think he was afraid that I was going to knock 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:39.800 him out. I think that's what Dr J Narray do. Listen, 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.720 most we don't know in our career. This is about 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.600 picking up our legends, picking up our life. Man, you 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:47.840 are a real champion, one of the only champions that 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:51.320 bow out on your feet, not on your back, kept 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:53.800 your titles and we're gonna respect that. Salute that side. 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:58.960 By the way, this is our Dreamcam Sports panel, right, 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.639 so let me let me ask you doing the boxing 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:12.879 ways after he drops the belt, is is people in 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.200 boxing there saying, Wow, I really don't want to fight him. 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:17.680 No one's going to fight this guy. Is it a 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.840 dry skull from them because no, not really. I think 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.520 I think a lot of people were looking for that fight. 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:25.159 You know, this is the fight of the guys from 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.399 the Olympics. You know Rick bo said, oh uh he 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.840 he got ripped off. Okay, prove it. Let's fighting, let's 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.760 meeting the professionals. Let me tell you, really, Bo through 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.440 a great combination in the Olympics that hit me that 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:42.600 really pissed me off. And it was like one too 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.240 and then up the middle like it's almost like a 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.159 Tyson punch. And he learned that because he had a 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.879 great trainer and he worked with professionals. I didn't. I 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:55.040 was always working with amateurs. But he only caught me 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:58.760 with that once, and that really turned me on to really, 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.600 you know, focus on the next round. One thing about boxes, 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:06.240 right that it's different from any other sport. Are you 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.800 get dunked on and you'll still come out and play. 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:12.920 You can get a home run hit on you, you 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:16.080 can still go on pitch. When people get hit with 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:21.200 that one punch that flaws will either knock them out 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:25.439 coal or they hit the canvas. How does a box up, 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.880 How do you get come back from that? Well, it's 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:32.240 it's interesting and it's a good That's a great question 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:34.520 because a lot of people can't come back from it 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:39.160 like you get in training. You trained for the being 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:46.280 knocked down coming back up. No you don't. I'm saying, 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.399 is that anything apply to that? The greatest question is 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.399 how does it feel to be knocked out? That's what 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:53.520 I'm about to go next. And then I'm like, let 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:59.600 me knock you up, because how do how does one 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:03.600 like what is going through your mind? Like you trained? 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:05.879 I believe it was Mike Tyson who said everyone is 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:08.040 prepared until you get punched in the face. Like, so 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.280 what happens when it's not punched in the face? You 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:12.800 knocked down? Like? How does I'm gonna tell I'm gonna 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:19.880 tell you the Rockman, my brother Rockman. That's great to hear. Yeah, 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.960 met him where it ends in the beginning, and it 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:24.959 was like, Yo, he said some things that really got 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:27.600 under my skin. I said some things that really got 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:30.760 unto his skin. And we we solved the whole thing 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.760 in the ring and then we were friends. So that's 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:35.600 what I love about boxing. You know, although we could 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:37.840 be enemies, but you know, once we fight it out, 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:43.360 we can be friends. So um for him. Uh when 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:47.760 me and him thought he threw an unbelievable punch which 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.720 my chin happened to be in the whale, I put 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:54.520 up my hand and I thought I blocked, was blocking 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.199 it like easier I got this guy, but it went 0:20:57.280 --> 0:20:59.720 around here and caught me on the chin and the 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:03.440 action was straight away boom boom. So I went down 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:06.600 and you want to know how it feels. It felt slow. 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:10.080 Everything was going in slow motion, and then when I 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:16.480 hit the ground, everything's spit up. So yeah, in that fight, 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:18.760 I never really got an opportunity to really come back 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:21.840 and you know, recover from it or anything. The referee 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:25.120 just stopped the fight. But this is what happens in boxing. 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:27.439 You know a loss, how do you come back from 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.560 a loss? Well, for me, it was easy because I 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.560 realized straight away what I did wrong. It wasn't like 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:35.800 I got beat up or anything. I made a mistake. 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:40.439 That mistake won't happen again. So my my mental condition 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:42.680 was like, all right, because I got hit. If you 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:44.360 got hit with the right hand, do you come out 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:46.639 the next fight and are you just avoiding that right 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:49.359 hand or are you are you? Are you still like 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:51.600 on guard? But overall is it like, you know what, 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:53.480 you just supported it right here. That's what I messed 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:56.640 up at last time? Is it like that? Absolutely? Absolutely? 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:58.879 You look at you, you look at the fight, you 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.280 look at it, continue really and you say, what did 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:04.000 I do wrong? And then you you when you're training, 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:06.920 you're still thinking about what you did wrong. I gotta 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:09.240 keep that hand up. I gotta make sure this is up. 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.000 Watch out for that because that was really his best 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:14.600 punch that he hit me with. And uh, you know, 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:18.000 I did a remarkable job with the punch. But the 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:27.720 second fight, now, the second fight second yeah, yeah, five 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:30.800 months later, you know, I looked at the whole fire. 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:37.040 Actually was in South Africa with Mandad. That was great. 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:40.960 You know, I've seen Rockman won the heavyweight championship for 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:45.240 the world and left Africa. Didn't visit Mandela, but he 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:49.879 was the early though. Yeah he was. There was so 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:52.080 much taking Let's get back to the man. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, 0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:56.960 that's a lot of people were saying that any time, anytime. Well, 0:22:57.000 --> 0:22:59.919 that was the first time I actually fought in altitude. 0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:03.520 I didn't know how high it was. For people that 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:07.200 don't know, that's like your your body. You have to 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:10.159 get your body has to get aclimated to breathing that way, right, 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:13.800 And I wasn't acclimated. I was actually, um, you know, 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:17.280 feeling good. But anyway, when I got into the fight, 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:20.680 it kind of messed up my rhythm, my training rhythm. 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:23.119 This is not how I how I trained, because what 0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:26.240 happens when you're in a high altitude. You gotta detroy 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:29.480