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Speaker 1: Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of the Black Effect

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Speaker 1: and I Heart Radio and his Drink Chess, motherfucking podcast. Mason.

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Speaker 1: He's a legendary queen's wrapper. He's segree is your boy

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Speaker 1: in O R E. He's a Miami hippoper pioneer up

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Speaker 1: his DJ E f N. Together they drink it up

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Speaker 1: with some of the biggest players in the most professional

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Speaker 1: unprofessional podcast. And yet number one sort for drunk fast

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Speaker 1: drinks mother every day is New year' z. That's Strike Champs.

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Speaker 1: Trink up? Would it good be? Hopefully? This would it

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Speaker 1: should be? This is your boy in O R E.

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Speaker 1: One ups d J E F and his Drink Chess,

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Speaker 1: motherfucking happy Hour Mason and ranging out the person that

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Speaker 1: we have in front of us. When you think of champion,

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Speaker 1: I don't think the word champion is is enough. You

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Speaker 1: gotta call him the champion, Champion, Champion, he has defended

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Speaker 1: his title to the most. This is this is the

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Speaker 1: real boxing league right now. Boxing kind of seems soft

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Speaker 1: of so sorry for you even a boxing now, but

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Speaker 1: I mean the real boxing league where everyone was for

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Speaker 1: roaches and you were first that preft conferences and and

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Speaker 1: the man has held from England of Jamaican descent and

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Speaker 1: all the rosters, all the roster he's from Draihood from

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Speaker 1: England and he's Jamaican, so he's un Jamaican descent. Front

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Speaker 1: of England went over to Canada for in the Olympics,

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Speaker 1: dominated there, went pro and beat everybody. In fact, when

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Speaker 1: you look at this documentary, you realize not only did

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Speaker 1: he beat all of his ponents, most of the paroners

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Speaker 1: was running from it. He went to catch skill New

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Speaker 1: York and met up with the CHAMPI and they said

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Speaker 1: that one day the Champ one and then the next

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Speaker 1: day that on the Champ one, and it was destined

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Speaker 1: for them to meet at at the end, and they

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Speaker 1: met at the end. In case you don't know who

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Speaker 1: we're talking about, we're talking about the remarkable, the impeggable motherfucker. Now.

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Speaker 1: One thing that one thing struck me immediately studying you

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Speaker 1: was the Bob Molly what's it called crazy wall As

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Speaker 1: don't watching the documentary, I see that this repeats itself,

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Speaker 1: So I was like, it was something that that What

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Speaker 1: does that song mean? Okay, you know it's interesting that

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Speaker 1: you said that first. Thank you for the introduction that

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Speaker 1: was great. Um, and it's a pleasure being here with

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Speaker 1: you guys. Let's good or quick? What do you want

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Speaker 1: to start with? Oh, okay, let's go and but you

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Speaker 1: know what we're gonna go all lot, well have your

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Speaker 1: own red let's just do it song. Um. You know

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Speaker 1: I used to go dances all the time, especially reggae dances,

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Speaker 1: and I like clash dances, so you know, the sounds

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Speaker 1: sound clashes. So for me, you know, if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: go or work to a song, it's got to mean something.

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Speaker 1: You know, going to the ring, it's got to mean something.

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Speaker 1: And crazy Ball it's meant a lot to me because

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Speaker 1: I started growing my locks because of like a situation

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Speaker 1: and I said, you know, I'm just gonna focus and um,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna grow my hair. So you know, my friends

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Speaker 1: were saying, you know, John, which is God wouldn't give

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Speaker 1: the power to a ball head. So you know, that's

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Speaker 1: why that's why I started growing my locks to gain

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Speaker 1: my strength, because I had a Samson like complex. You know.

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Speaker 1: As my of grew, I just felt I got stronger

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Speaker 1: type of things. So that's the that's that was the

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Speaker 1: vibe going in the ring, you know, chasing all the

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Speaker 1: crazy ballads out of the town because you know, because

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Speaker 1: you want to um, because you know why. When I

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Speaker 1: first noticed it was against Tyson. So at first I

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Speaker 1: didn't listen to the lyrics. I'm thinking, this is a

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Speaker 1: record that you're you're deliberately making towards Tyson. But then

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Speaker 1: later on I found out it's a deeper meaning. I

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Speaker 1: found out that it was almost about skinheads. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but it's it's really how

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Speaker 1: it means, what it means to you. What it meant

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Speaker 1: to me was like, yo, you know, I've got here

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Speaker 1: and I'm chasing all the crazy ballards out of the town.

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Speaker 1: That's in roster culture. Like growing the hair of the

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Speaker 1: dreads not a part of that, Yeah, of course, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean you know, um um. People I grew up

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Speaker 1: and I found that they were more spiritual, you know,

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Speaker 1: they were my teachers without you know, of life, and

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Speaker 1: it was it was important for them to grow their

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Speaker 1: the hair really gave them strength. Now let's get talking

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Speaker 1: to the beginning real quick. Miss Baker, let's open that up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Miss Baker, like she was the woman right who took over. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what happened with miss Baker. Miss Baker is actually my

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Speaker 1: mom's friend. And my mom left and immigrated to Canada.

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Speaker 1: You know that immigration story. I'm sure a lot of

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Speaker 1: Miss Baker, in East London. And you know, Miss Laker

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Speaker 1: was a good friend to her. I think they took

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Speaker 1: nurse in together. Anyway, my mom immigrated to Canada with

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what happened in between. Her

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Speaker 1: husband was really nice to me, but she wasn't nice

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Speaker 1: just be shouting away and you know, cursing at me.

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Speaker 1: You were the only child in the house at the time,

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Speaker 1: so um, you know I didn't. I grew to not

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Speaker 1: back years later and she jumped at me and hugged me,

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Speaker 1: you know, probably died. He was trying to teach or

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Speaker 1: something like that. I don't know. I don't know. Well,

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Speaker 1: so this was like, you know, new to her, oh,

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Speaker 1: you the only problem I have with the documentary. It's

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize until the end of it. I was

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Speaker 1: like this voice beginning. My only problem is I didn't

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Speaker 1: hear about it as much, like I don't feel like

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Speaker 1: they promoted it. Um, you're right, they should have promoted

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Speaker 1: those stories that anytime you watch it, it's gonna impress you,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So even if you're late,

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Speaker 1: it's still gonna impress you, and you're gonna still be

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Speaker 1: happy about it because it's a good story, especially around nowadays,

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Speaker 1: and you know, there's a lot of different people, a

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Speaker 1: connect to the story. How did you connect to the story?

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Speaker 1: Man Um? First off, one of my favorite boxes. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you know that, Um, and it always

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Speaker 1: you knowing what I'll be seeing you played chest because

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Speaker 1: I've watched in the ring and that's that's who you are.

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Speaker 1: So for me, when I dug deep, the best part

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Speaker 1: was for me to see how how content you are,

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Speaker 1: like when people were talking like even for Tyson, like Tyson,

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Speaker 1: I want to eat your children like that was and

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Speaker 1: you sat back and you did an interview and you said, well,

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Speaker 1: I hope he's a vegetarian. At the time, I was like,

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Speaker 1: that's the you can say. But what it is this

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Speaker 1: not Merchant, Jim Lampley Um And he said a lot

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Speaker 1: of people don't understand and they don't realize that you

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Speaker 1: come from the hood just like them. It's just you.

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Speaker 1: You have the britst action mixed with a little bit

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Speaker 1: he was with the Queen of England or something like that.

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Speaker 1: They don't realize it from East London. So how was that?

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Speaker 1: How was that that was good? I mean East London

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Speaker 1: not right, No, that's South London. That's South London. But

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Speaker 1: London or you're you're you're from the UK, so that

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I don't I don't understand why people have

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Speaker 1: like the whole place. Um. Yeah, and you know there

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Speaker 1: there's a code of ethics in in one sense, like

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Speaker 1: you know, a handshake is good as a contract, your

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Speaker 1: you also played football and baseball. What would have happened

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Speaker 1: What do you think? Football? Baseball? I didn't play basketball, basketball.

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Speaker 1: then when you guys, when you got like five five

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Speaker 1: this is not the one. You know, the football was

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Speaker 1: played in football football. I was a running back. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: I was a running back. We paid, We played out

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Speaker 1: I love football. Yeah. Football was great to this day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, please straight on. Somebody gave me the straight

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Speaker 1: get involved a wrestling. Wrestling, No, well wrestling to me.

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Speaker 1: like wrestling. Oh yeah yeah yeah. Because you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: a character. I believe, I believe. I believe you've got

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Speaker 1: you like being told why? In the documentary it says

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Speaker 1: you're a world person, but if you had to choose one,

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Speaker 1: I mean, um, a citizen of the world. Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: Those people are suffering. So um. Yeah, traveling at a

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Speaker 1: you know, playing chess at a young age. I would

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Speaker 1: say to a lot of kids out there to play chess,

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Speaker 1: because chess helps you think, helps you plan, and helps

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Speaker 1: you predict the future. In one sense, when you play chess,

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Speaker 1: or when a kid plays chess, he's sinking five moves ahead.

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Speaker 1: Damn ya, come on, come on the humanity and um,

423
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: you know that not only that, this is a question.

424
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: I know I'm bouncing around. Um did you and Tyson

425
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: has watched it? When Ali asked you both to be

426
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: his bell as, Um, there was Yeah, you had a

427
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: ready squashed long time, A long time, okay, because I

428
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: was looking right after the fight. We squashed it after

429
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: the fight, came up in showed respect fast. Let me

430
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: pick you up again. Let's go pick up my brother Tyson. Yes,

431
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: hand no, no mandela. Let's let's think a mandela for

432
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: a second. Yes, that's historic. I mean it was important.

433
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: It was important to me because this man spent twenty

434
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: seven years in jail for the rights of black people,

435
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: for the right. Did you visit the prison and I

436
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: didn't get to that. It was a cloudy day and

437
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: and then the ferries weren't going. Let me tell you

438
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: out there, the prison is about as big as this route.

439
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: It's like how you put a prison on the island

440
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: and then making a small prison and then make the

441
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: sales small. It's like some mental thing. That prison was

442
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: still open when you visit the horse to it. Now

443
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: you can go. When when I went out to the

444
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: person that actually showed us around was actually in jail

445
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: with Mandela. So it's like they're alcatraz and ye, yeah,

446
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: and you you you were in Ghana for the fight

447
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: or you was in Ghana to see Mandela. No, I

448
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: went to Ghana actually for my friend's wedding. Yeah, the prince,

449
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: the Prince, the prince, he could say, the Prince are gone.

450
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: I call him prince, So the Prince are GONEA there

451
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: you go. And so how does this phone go happen?

452
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: Did somebody say, hey, man, Nelson wants to meet you,

453
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: and you're like Nelson, who like I doubt they say

454
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: nehing No. No, My aim was, if I'm going to

455
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: be in Africa, I'm gonna definitely gonna look him up. Yeah, definitely.

456
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: I went to I went to Suto, I went to

457
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: all the different Yeah, um, great place, you know, massive,

458
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,719
Speaker 1: just big, but yeah, great place. I ate so much

459
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: food in Africas. I'm like, I wonder why why am

460
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: I eating so much food? They said because fresh. We

461
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: just killed it today for people people. Um that I

462
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: had a conversation with Acorn about this on the here

463
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: and um and and Acar keeps it stressing that that

464
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: there's you don't have to take shots to go to Africa.

465
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: Everyone thinks that you have to take shots to go

466
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: to Africa becas we can't drink the water. Is that

467
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: something that you experienced? Um, yeah, I didn't take shots

468
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: out to the hills. Oh wow, we didn't. We didn't

469
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: take me dream? Are we taking no shots to go Aca?

470
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: We went to Okay, to Johannesburg. And these are only

471
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: for like the paranoid people. I mean, you drink bottomed water.

472
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: You're not gonna drink tap water just because you're not

473
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: used to their water. That's crazy. Mann, I gotta I

474
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: gotta go to Africa. That are big. I'm black. Let's

475
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: take a shot. Let's take a shot. I got noses

476
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: thinking the same thing, So let's I'm bossing about a

477
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: little bit tied a Biggs fight. You beat him in

478
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: the Olympics, right, yeah, but next he was only one.

479
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: You got your revenge. How did that feel? It felt good? Um,

480
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, the only reason that Tyrelle Biggs beat me

481
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: the first time because of lack of experience. This was

482
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: an Olympics. This was the Olympics, and before that he's

483
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: had international um experience all over the globe. And this

484
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: is the first time of my international experience. And he

485
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: was definitely, um, a little bit better than me in

486
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: in what he did, yeah, in the Olympics. So I

487
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: realized that, Okay, he won the Olympics, I'm gonna come

488
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: back and and and beat him in the pros. And

489
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: my focus was real, real serious when I when it

490
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: came to training for that particular fight. If you look

491
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: at that fight, I was in great shape and I

492
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: was ready for the rumble. So um and I and

493
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: I was upset the fact that, oh, you beat me

494
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: in the eighty four Olympics and then you won the Olympics.

495
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 1: He didn't do anything, so I didn't go professionally. Right then,

496
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat you just to show that, you know

497
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: how good I've become now. When I watched, when I watched,

498
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: I also watched the documentary, I went and watch the

499
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: actually fight because I'm a fight man. Yeah. The only

500
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: fight I can really say you defended to be lost

501
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: is the Rock the Rock Mom fight. I love on

502
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: the call fight I watched ten times. I watched on

503
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: a thing on a documentary, but then I actually wanted

504
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: to watch it myself. You were up at seven and

505
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: a half, which this is what I really said to myself.

506
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: You're a real gentleman. Because I wanted you to refute that.

507
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: I wanted you to be like like you know, but

508
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: you just you didn't take it. What did that was?

509
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,239
Speaker 1: You was up at seven and a half. I did

510
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: it myself, maybe eight, but ike seven and a half.

511
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: When you gotta anyone like this, you did wobble a

512
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: little bit, but your hands was up. As a champion,

513
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: I felt you should have defended your championship. I felt

514
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: like that he should have took it from you. He

515
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: almost took it from you. But when you did like this,

516
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: we defended. I felt like you're supposed to make up.

517
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: Let me tell you if it really depends on you know,

518
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: boxing is a funny game because you know, if if

519
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: the promoters putting on the show, then he puts everything together.

520
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: He brings yeah, we're gonna get into him. Next, he

521
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: brings in the judges. He brings in everybody. So if

522
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: it's his show and his boxer's boxing, you know the disferee, yeah, judges. Well,

523
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: after my fight, I actually in the referee sitting at

524
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: a big round table all dressed up with Don King.

525
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: After the fight, I was going to the after part.

526
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, and he goes Lennox Lewis. Actually I

527
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: love Don King King. Don King is a real nice guy.

528
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: You know, obviously is everybody knows about his promotional days

529
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: and what he's done and his history. But you know,

530
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: he's a person that I kind of learned from. So

531
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: I watched and I learned from and there's a couple

532
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: of things I picked up. I believe the Holy fil

533
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: got fifteen. You got Tim and Don King got Tim.

534
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: And he didn't get puss in the space at all.

535
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: Somebody somebody's in the posting in the space. Come on,

536
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: let's at little guy. This is what or what what

537
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: you said? Grab him? Like, I want to know where

538
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: Lennox gets the mindset of the positive thinking, because you're

539
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: right after the mccaull fight. I was beating after the

540
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: holy Field fight when he clearly wanted to meet and

541
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: they called it a how when they put the micro

542
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: him how positive he is, you could and he knows

543
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: he's getting ripped off, but he just stays positivity. But

544
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: not only not only let me help you out with this,

545
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: not only did they get ripped off, This was the

546
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: time the crowd, actually the crowd was like your biggest

547
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: flavor flav hype man. It was like it was like

548
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: the crowd and like, where did that? How their mindset

549
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: come from? You had your whole career till now. Yeah,

550
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: And I'm a positive person and I believe that. You know,

551
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: I want to be around positive people because I don't

552
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: like when people bring you down or energies bring you down.

553
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: And I realized in boxing, you gotta win definitively, don't

554
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: leave love to the judge. And there may be sometime

555
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose. You can't be in boxing and think

556
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna win all the time. There may be a

557
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: chance you're gonna lose. So mentally you have to know

558
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: that what how are you going to deal with that. So, um,

559
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: you know it's a situation where I lost. Yeah, I

560
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: want to be for you. It doesn't matter that the

561
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: referee helped him, but whatever, it didn't help, you know,

562
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking, you know, I'm heavyweight champion of the world.

563
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: This is my type. Man has to win it from me.

564
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, he knocked me down once and you want

565
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: to stop the fight. So, I mean every box has

566
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: been through their type of drama or situation where judges

567
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: have gone against them. Uh, Wittaker against um, I believe

568
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: what's my man name for Mexico? And he beat him

569
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: up the whole fight and then at the end he

570
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: just hit him once. Yes, yes, yeah, that was a

571
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: great fight. That's a great great the whole fight. And

572
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: then at the end you got the one and the stock. Yeah.

573
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: You know. So boxes go through their you know, ups

574
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: and downs, but you can't let the downs affect you.

575
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta, you gotta see through it. So

576
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: I'm like life, you know, all the downs you gotta make,

577
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: you gotta bring it back. Is how you deal with

578
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: the downs basically, which defines who you are. But is

579
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: there underbelly of gambling and things like that that are

580
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: deciding these things that have nothing to do with the

581
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: actual boxing itself. You know, I always thought that. I

582
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: always thought, yeah, you know, somebody's somebody knows something. How

583
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: do they know to you know, to to do the betting?

584
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: That blows me. Did a judge get paid to go

585
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: one way? Yeah? I don't know. You'll never know. You

586
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: never know, you never know. But one thing I realized

587
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: in my boxing career, bring your own judges. Right. That's

588
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: now now again, I'm bouncing around a little bit. One

589
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: of the most interesting fights it was when it was

590
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: England against England, the Bruno fight. And I remember, I

591
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: believe he was in the car and the reporter comes

592
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: up to you and says, he said, he's going to

593
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: knock you back to Canada. It wasn't a nice thing

594
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: to say. And then you said, well, he's trying to

595
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: intimidate me, but I can't be intimidated. How How was

596
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: that like? Um? Because you're born in England? Okay? I mean,

597
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, Frank Bruner was the main guy in England

598
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: right now. He was doing pantomime, he was doing all

599
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: kinds of things and he was man. Look, he wanted

600
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: to get in luck when I talked as the man

601
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: from England, look a look at this question right ready.

602
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: So you know he's been over there for a while,

603
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: so he you know, he's the darling of England. Everybody.

604
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: You know. I loved him. He didn't give no trouble um.

605
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: He was a nice guy. I thought it was a

606
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: nice guy too, but nobody was there to challenge him.

607
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: And when I came over, I came to challenge him.

608
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: I said, he is the he is the old. I

609
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: am the new and and I think that affected him

610
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: mentally because he didn't like what I said. He said,

611
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: I was gonna he's gonna knock me back to to Canada.

612
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: And they didn't want to accept me being British, that

613
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: I was born in England because of my Canadian accident.

614
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 1: I said, oh, it sounds American. It sounds every every

615
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: time I go to England sounds American. It sounds American.

616
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm I'm Canadian, I'm British. I grew

617
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: up in Canada. That's why I sound American. But I've

618
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: got a North American uh speech. Ye. So yeah, that

619
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: was that was a serious time at that time. It

620
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: was really the new coming in getting coming against the old,

621
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: and it's a fight. It's always a fight. I'm coming

622
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: in his territory. So once the people seeing the fight

623
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: and realize, Okay, the new is good, the new is

624
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: the one that's gonna win the heavyweight champion of the

625
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: world in over a hundred years. This is the man

626
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it. So that that's why everybody, you know,

627
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: his fans started to be my fans. And obviously it's

628
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: got is die heart fans, but you know they liked

629
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: me as well because the fact of what I was

630
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: doing or what I did that I was that pull

631
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: the to you know, I'm because I respect you guys

632
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: as a champion who you are. So how was that

633
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: confidence build it for you? Win? You won in the

634
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: Olympics and can Canada embrace you because they didn't win

635
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: in fifty something years, So that confidence to you is

636
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm un It was great because you know, after the Olympics,

637
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: I actually went to um the West coast of the Canada, Vancouver,

638
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: all these different places. I didn't bring no money. Everybody

639
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: gave me everything. It was like wow, and people, old

640
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: ladies were coming out to me and saying thank you,

641
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm like, why, because you want the Olympics

642
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: and I felt I felt really really great on that,

643
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: and let's drink to that. Hold on, hold man, hold on,

644
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: hold on. You got I got, I got, I got

645
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: like fifteen thousand questions, but I got I got notes.

646
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: That's what you know. I'm feeling great. You guys are

647
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: serious about this dream. Okay, well, let you know. I

648
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: can't be faded night. It didn't work. It didn't work.

649
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: I was giving you wed vine and but okay, after

650
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: the out of a McCall fight, you did something that

651
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: was remarkable. You recognize your mistake, but you didn't give

652
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: the credit to the fight. Of yes, you gave it

653
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: to him. You know why I didn't give the credit

654
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: to him because it was a lucky punch. The man

655
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: moved and did his thing, and he was shocked himself.

656
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, that was right. You know. Mentally, I was

657
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: trying to throw to get that right hand, and I

658
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: was trying to knock him out. I was trying to

659
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: knock everybody out, and to me, he was a learning process.

660
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: It was learning process. Because I was trying to knock

661
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: him out, he knocked me out. So I said, what

662
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: the dude wrong? And then almost like the reverse roll

663
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: adult right, Yeah, So I realized what I did, drown,

664
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: fixed it, and I came back. Well, here's the genius

665
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: part about it. You looked at the architect and Manuel

666
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: stew it absolutely absolutely, And let me tell you, if

667
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 1: you look at the documentary, you're gonna see many say

668
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: roll and come back. You took away his best his

669
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: best weapon, roll and come back. And that's what he did.

670
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: And to me, see, that's the difference between uh, a

671
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: normal trainer and a trainer that has experienced because he

672
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: can say, to you, man, that guy's be knocking people

673
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: out with right hands. This is how we're gonna go

674
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: after him. We're gonna let him throw that right hand,

675
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: take it away from him and come back because he's

676
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: troined it with everything. So I put everything into it

677
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: all the all he did is wave it off and

678
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: come back. And really I'm helping myself knock me out

679
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: because I'm going forward the punch. Yeah, and I'm going

680
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: forward and he's going he's just really swinging back and

681
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: coming forward. I'm coming forward into the punch and meeting

682
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: the punch that on. I hope now you had also

683
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: Pepper the trainer right, Pepper, great trainer. Actually, you know,

684
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: who do you go against you with? Like he was?

685
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: He was down with you right the same dude, No

686
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: nobody else. I forgot the guy's name right now. But yeah,

687
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: how was that embossing did you come up with? And

688
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: it's actually it's actually not business business if they're going

689
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: but it seem like he was a yes to you. Yeah,

690
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: it wasn't a crush. Frankie told you that he thought, yeah, okay, yeah,

691
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: you know, for him coming against me, I don't hold

692
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: it against him because he's a trainer, you know, and uh,

693
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: he was in my camp. He knows me, So I

694
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: think the other side was smart to get him. We

695
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: want to know about Lennox Lewis, what's his what's his assets,

696
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: what's what's good about him? Where can we get him?

697
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: If they're going to give the trainer money, has to live,

698
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: so he's gonna take it. But I love Peppi. Peppi

699
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: is a great trainer and he actually just lost one

700
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: of his sons. Condolences to him, blessed him so but

701
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 1: all right, but a man was to so what happens

702
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: you goes? You guys in the documentary which I love

703
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: we took him, asked him, and how did you be? Yes,

704
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: he told me took away the right hand I was

705
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: He said, I was reaching too much and I was

706
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: over reaching because my balance was over So they took

707
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: advantage of that. And this is a technical era, technical era.

708
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: That's why I always say it's a great boxers. Get

709
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: a good coach, get an old coach, because he can

710
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: he's being around a while. He can tell you things

711
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: that you don't know. I'm not gonna laugh. For get

712
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: the documentary. Just for me being a Limus Newisman. I

713
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: knew when you got with a man, what type of

714
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: fighting you like. I mean he was already elite, but

715
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: he made you super eighty. Let me tell you. Emmanuel

716
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: Stewart is a great yeah, bless um. He taught me

717
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: so much and he knows so much. Um. Great trainer.

718
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: He's the trainer of champions. Ah. When when we had

719
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: a fight coming up, he would say to me, go

720
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 1: watch the fight, because you got you you break down

721
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: things easy. Good. I like the way you break the

722
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: things down. So I looked at the fight. I broke

723
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: it down. He came, he said, that's right, that's what

724
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: we need to do. Plus this so he would add

725
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: a little us to do it, and we're a great team.

726
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: He was. He's like I said, he what he said,

727
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: and when he spoke I understood and could relate to

728
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: what he needs done. So if he said go win

729
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: this round, he knows that I will go and win

730
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: this round. How crazy it was it? Because, um, I

731
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: believe the cliss brothers did the same thing you did.

732
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: After the Clisger brothers for with you. They hired the manual. Yeah,

733
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: the smartest thing they ever did, get the trainer of champions.

734
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: I think, I think, I think, I think, Um, you know,

735
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: they did the right thing. They made the right move

736
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: and you know it helped them. It benefited them, right man?

737
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, looking for his track work. Obviously

738
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: I've met him man roll, but I didn't get on

739
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: the gym with them. Are you know? Take boxing like that?

740
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: I love boxing, but um, it's it's like he makes

741
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: a champion a champion. He makes them more than he is.

742
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: So how was it? So did you have to go

743
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: to the Detroit and train with him or what was it?

744
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: I know you had dinner, I think they I think

745
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: they said and they said, you guys had dinner, But

746
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: then how did they move forward and did they said,

747
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: you guys have some rests, like don't just come in

748
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: here immediately, train, get some rest and then what was

749
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: what was it like proceeding? Oh yeah, yeah, so the

750
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: first meeting with the Manu, I'm actually new and Manu

751
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: before that because he said you're gonna be a champion

752
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 1: back then, like yeah, so um, Manny basically came into

753
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: camp and showed me a couple of things that I

754
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: didn't know, Like, for instance, you know, because of the

755
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: fact that I used to fight smaller guys and they

756
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: used to be hookers, so I had to make sure

757
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: that my my right hand was up all the time.

758
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: So I used to keep it up here, keep it

759
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: up here. Man He came into the chemistate, why are

760
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: you keeping your hand up here? He said? He said,

761
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: if anybody throws a hook, you can move your your

762
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: your hand two inches, can't you. I'm like, yeah, I can,

763
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: I can. He said, then do that. He said, your

764
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: hand should be in front of your mouth. And let

765
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: me tell you he helped me because in the Ray

766
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: Mercy fight, Ray Mercer had a great job. Great job

767
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: he was popping that jomb He actually gave me a

768
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: fat lip. And you know, boxes after a fight, even

769
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: if you want, walking around with a fat lip is embarrassing.

770
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: What happened. What happened. So he helped me out of

771
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: that because I hated that it was embarrassing and always

772
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: having a fat lip. And I won. Oh my god,

773
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: so u he was great. You know this is technical.

774
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: Put your hand in front of your face because even

775
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: if a guy throws a job, it's gonna catch your hand.

776
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: It's gonna catch your hand. He said, if a guy

777
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: throws a hook, you can move your your hand two inches. Yeah.

778
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: So the technical asked back to Emmanuel, is he's like

779
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: a professor. He knows it. He knows it good. So

780
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: let's let's so we talked about uh ritick bout no no,

781
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: Razor Rodick. Razor Roddick was a sparring partner of mine.

782
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: In fact, we sparred together so we would help each

783
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: other and uh uh he had such a great job.

784
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: He actually helped me develop my job because he had

785
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: a great job. And when we sparred so much, it's

786
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: like I was learning off of him and it was

787
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: like I wanted my job to be good. He would

788
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: hit me with his job like this guy hit me

789
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: with It was like a fight, almost like a fight,

790
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: but it was actually sparring matches. We're helping each other,

791
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: but it was a fight. You know. I didn't want

792
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: him to get better the better of me. He didn't

793
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: want to me to get the better of him. So

794
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: we helped each other get better. Iron Yeah. Yeah, what

795
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: was your favorite fight? You ever had? Favorite fight? There

796
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: was no favorite fight all. My fight's a favorite favorite

797
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: because of the fact that each fight brought around something different.

798
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: It's not different math problems, different math problems to solve.

799
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,959
Speaker 1: There's the math problem. Is your choice to fix it. Yeah,

800
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not gonna lie. You have a real, great, great,

801
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: great great career. Listen, So I don't know did you

802
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: get to did you the gloves? Oh? So sorry the gloves?

803
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: You know, I got gloves for you to sign. Man,

804
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: show that out there. Man, I'm super fan and out

805
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: Oh you you fucked up. I got my gloves, brother,

806
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: I got one glove. I got a charity called the

807
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: Lennox Lewis League of Champions and Kids. Yeah you watch them.

808
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: Let's take shouts for the kids. Yeah yeah, walk you

809
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: need more, so tell us about the charity. Yeah. We uh,

810
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: we've been around for six years. We've been having camps

811
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: for four years, and it's basically bringing kids into a

812
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: situation where like we're teaching them how to be great people.

813
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: You know, I look at my life and the people

814
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: that were involved in helping me. This is what I

815
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: want to do for young kids. Create um boxing camps

816
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: for them, really teach them how to box and teach

817
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: them how to deal with life. And the same disciplines

818
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: that we have in boxing will help you through life.

819
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: So introduce the boxing. Right, police Officer brough in to

820
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: the gym. Right, I actually went to I gotta tell

821
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: you this story, so be ready. It's like it's like

822
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: we have all these different high schools in Miami. Then

823
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: they say to you, Okay, we're gonna have a dance

824
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: every month at a certain high school, but if anybody

825
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: from any different high school goes there and fights, they're expelled.

826
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: So obviously we went to this school called k c

827
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: I and the bad boys from there. I wanted to

828
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: fight us because the girls liked us, obviously, and you know,

829
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: we realized we we said to it. We said to them, listen,

830
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: come down to the police box and Jim and box

831
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: and we'll fight you down there. You guys said this

832
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: to them, Yeah, because we couldn't fight at the at

833
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: the at the dance. So they said, yeah, yeah, we're

834
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: gonna go. We're gonna be there. We'll be there in

835
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: England or Canada. In Canada and they didn't show up.

836
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: I went, me and my friend went, Andrew Um didn't

837
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: show up anyway. The trainer said, hey, you which is me?

838
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: Go move around with this guy and moves around with

839
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: this guy and then all of a sudden he hit

840
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: me in the nose and my eyes started watering. I

841
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: didn't like it. He said, Okay, don't worry, don't worry,

842
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: go with this guy. Put me in the guy with

843
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: my size. I started doing Mohammad Ali, which is the

844
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: only the only guy I watched on boxing, and it

845
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: felt like it felt good. It was a game to me,

846
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: and that's what caught me in boxing. Lets you know

847
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: your maniac where you like violence. I was trying to

848
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: worry that you said that. I didn't. She's like, like,

849
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: I just liked it mediac It's just like no, honestly, honestly,

850
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: like some people are just skilled at what they do.

851
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: Some people are skilled that talk. Some people are skilled

852
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: that rappid. Some people are skilled that knocking motherfucker's And

853
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: something about you news that first time you got the

854
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,479
Speaker 1: rings that I like this? Yeah, yeah, it was great,

855
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: and I realized it was your own. You don't have

856
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: to depend on the team because I was a team player.

857
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: I played football, basketball. This team is a one team,

858
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: one person team, right, So it really depends on you.

859
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: So it depends on your sacrifice. So if you're partying,

860
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: drinking or whatever and then you're going to fight, it's

861
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: not gonna work. If you're focus, dedicating, it's gonna work,

862
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: especially if you're good, and if you're focused mentally and

863
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: strong minded, Yeah, take it all day. You already have

864
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: the hight. I'm good, I'm good. Did you already have

865
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: the high when you first? Yeah? Well I was. I

866
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: was kind of like that lanky kid, tall and lanky,

867
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: m You know, I noticed on your fight, as tall

868
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: as you are on us and as reaches you have,

869
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna inside it. You get inside, all right. So

870
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: that's good because you know a lot of fighters, a

871
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: lot of heavyweights don't like boxing inside. Right. Somebody told me,

872
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: somebody told me, like I forgot who that was. I

873
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: think it was a manual. I said, you've got to

874
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: be good on the inside and the outside. You've got

875
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: to be able to box on the inside and the outside.

876
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: So I learned to box on the inside because of that,

877
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: because I don't want anybody beating me on the inside.

878
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: I want to win on the inside and the outside.

879
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: So I want to be a great professional on the

880
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: inside and the outside as as a chest player. Not

881
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: to cont you up, sorry, would it be fair to

882
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: say that since you're tall and have reached that the

883
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: opponent is training that way. So when you're getting closed,

884
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: they lost, you know, like the trying and they're training

885
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: to fight you from a distance. But since you get

886
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: in the middle, then they didn't prepare for that. Well.

887
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes because some some guys that have shorter arms

888
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: feel that if they have shorter arms they can beat

889
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: you there. Their main focus should be on the inside

890
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: because there they got short arms. So and then if

891
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: I got long arms, I can't box inside. But I'm

892
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: I fooled him. I fooled I hold him all right,

893
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 1: So I want to get into it. Everybody ready hitting

894
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: your with tom everybody be the band, only be ready cold.

895
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: I didn't raison running to be the everybody, and then

896
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 1: they say it's finally time to die. From the cat

897
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: Skills to the Paris. First of all, what are you thinking, like,

898
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: because according to the documentary, I forgot my your man's name.

899
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: He said that that I think Tyson won the first day. Corney,

900
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: Corny your homeboy, who wrong with you? I fun with him?

901
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: Have I seen him? Look? Um? And he said custo model.

902
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: And I believe you, guys, Angie Corney, I mean the

903
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: white guy that was with you, Arni, Arni. Um. So

904
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: they said that you gotta squat the first day, and

905
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: you didn't. You lost the first day somewhere, and then

906
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: the next day you learned him and you are back

907
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: years later this happens. First off, that's like your style,

908
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: like if you lose, you figure it out back, right.

909
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 1: But this is something that's I think it's barely on tape,

910
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: like you gotta spiring. I don't know if that it

911
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: was both of you guys who kept looking at but

912
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I gotta be those two,

913
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: you know. Let me tell you. Let me tell you, bro.

914
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: We went up to the cart Skills cat Skills, and

915
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: actually I was in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic. We've really

916
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: been all over the place. Won the world I won

917
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 1: the World Junior Championship over there. This is when I

918
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: was like, uh, seventeen, okay, let me take a shot

919
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: for you. Come on, give me a shot. That's why

920
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: you gotta ad. That's good. You can't get drunk. No, no,

921
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: ok sounds. And I won the tournament over there, the

922
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: World Junior Championship, and the American team said, well, you

923
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: need to box the best. Who's the best, He said, Tyson,

924
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: you don't like taking planes? His manager, they don't like

925
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: taking planes, and uh, if he was here would be

926
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm like really, so me and my trainer talked to me,

927
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: said listen, let's go find this guy. He's up in

928
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: the cat Skills. I'm like, okay, he said, let's drive

929
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: up there. So we drove up there. Okay, I didn't

930
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: stop you because the cat Skills is close to Canada. Correct, Yes,

931
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: because that's upstate New York, New York, Buffalo. Yes, continue,

932
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Every week we drove up there, I

933
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: met Mike Tyson, I met custom model, nice people. Mike

934
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: Tyson was nice. He was like, you know you know,

935
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: he's my age, and he took me up into this room.

936
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: He put a sheet up and he were looking at

937
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: old fights. I'm like, yo, when did you get these

938
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: old fights? I've never seen these old fights. No, like

939
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: this was films. He hanged the sheet up and it

940
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: was in his room and it was like we were

941
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: watching it. He was telling me about these old fighters

942
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: and how they would box and what they would do,

943
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: and I realized, wow, I didn't know about the sweet science.

944
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: Realizing how these guys would, you know, headbut and punch

945
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: a guy behind the head, and different things they would

946
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: do in the fight, teaching how to fight dirty. Even

947
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: he was actually he was actually showing me how these

948
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: guys got away with certain things in a fight because

949
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: the referee wasn't watching, but they got away with it,

950
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: and it's part of the fight, part of the space

951
00:57:55,400 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: if you don't cast. It was great. It was a

952
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: great learning experience for me, and uh, you know, it

953
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: was great to go up there actually spar with a

954
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: guy that later on I would fight. And custom Model

955
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: actually predicted that. He said at one point, you guys

956
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: are going to meet later on, and I didn't know

957
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: if that was true. I I always remembered what he said,

958
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: and I said, is this ever gonna happen? And it happens. Okay,

959
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: all right, so now cat skills happen, You're going on.

960
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: You live this career. Tyson comes out, you'll never fight.

961
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: He goes to jail, he comes out right. I believe

962
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: one of his tactics was he wont to fight prior

963
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: to you getting in the ring because most people he intimidates. Now,

964
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: are you not intimidated for Mike because of the cats

965
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: skill experience, or you're just not intimidating because you don't

966
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: get intimiddating. I don't get intimidated. I don't get into Yeah.

967
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: My thought like, let me tell you the first time

968
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: I went into the ring. I had my first fight.

969
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: I had to go to the bathroom and my stomach,

970
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: my stomach was no we plus butterflies in my stomach.

971
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: Did you say we? Yeah? We never heard that before.

972
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,919
Speaker 1: You have to remember my kids, I'm my kids, so kids,

973
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: we first fight, you had the weak After ten fights,

974
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: I didn't have to we anymore, but I was nervous, right,

975
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: So I had butterflies in my stomach. Everybody, Yeah, yeah,

976
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: after twenty fights, done with the wind done with the butterflies.

977
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: So that's how you progress in in in boxon mentally. Okay,

978
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: so now you're dominated. This guy is on the other

979
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: side of the world. Guys are connected, and you see

980
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: the previous of what he's capable of. I'm not sure

981
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: if if he's on a downfall at this time. I'm

982
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: sure you can talking to Tyson's coming out of incarceration,

983
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: but he's a monster. Oh yeah, this press conference happens,

984
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: and in the documentary you say not backing down, all right,

985
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: So in that situation, it's a situation of like, alright,

986
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: we all know about Tyson, nobody knows about me, right,

987
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you're gonna make some and you know,

988
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: in in my culture, it's like, you know, we say,

989
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: dog that box the loudest has no teeth. So it

990
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: was a situation where like, yo, this is the first

991
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: time I felt like he was deliberately trying to Yeah,

992
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: he's bad. He's a bad guy in the sense of

993
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: like he can intimidate people. He's intimidating a lot of people,

994
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: but you don't know who he's intimidating. He's intimidating a

995
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: bad a bad guy. I'm a batman in that sense.

996
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't take that so makeup time, right, Yeah, Loishan

997
01:01:54,280 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: WANs so he knew, well, I knew what he was about,

998
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: but he didn't know what I was about. You don't

999
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: know where I'm coming from, nothing about me. It's like

1000
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: that really both situation where like, yo, he says this

1001
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: about me, Okay, cool, all right, he's gonna see So mentally,

1002
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: I was prepared for that. I was prepared for that fight.

1003
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: I was looking for that fight, and I knew that

1004
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: he didn't know me. And mentally I'm really strong minded.

1005
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: And are you holding on to what happened as y'all

1006
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: as children or you saying no, you know what that

1007
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: that was us as children? Actually I didn't realize what.

1008
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know where it was coming from. I didn't

1009
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: know why he was being like this because we knew

1010
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: each other as when I went up to the catskill,

1011
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 1: were we were friends, you know. He says that, he

1012
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: says that afterwards, he says that he says he's only

1013
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: promoting the fight, But as a fan, I didn't take

1014
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: it like that. I didn't take it like he was

1015
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: only promoting the fight. I took it like what the

1016
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: fund is these two grown man. You know, this is

1017
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: me a fan, This is I have no ties to

1018
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: to anybody at this time at least, so go ahead continue.

1019
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:06,959
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what a lot of people don't

1020
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: realize and don't remember, well I don't know, is the

1021
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: fact that a lot of the promoter wanted that to

1022
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: be an American British thing like West Coast, East Coast,

1023
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: West Coast. Yeah, but it was it was more American

1024
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: than the British should come in, the British should come

1025
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: in talk. So we said, no, it can't be that.

1026
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: We don't want that type of mess that's too messy.

1027
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: It's not even true. But yeah, yeah, yeah, so uh,

1028
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: you know it was more just um, you know, me

1029
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: trying to get the everyweight championship of the world, Tyson

1030
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: trying to legends meeting, and I'm gonna tell you some

1031
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: funny ship. The other day, Um, zab Judah's are here,

1032
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: so I couldn't get get to get to them. We

1033
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: can't make it happen or whatever I'm saying. Zab Judah

1034
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: and Lenus have a connection. I just can't identify the connection.

1035
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: I watched the documentary the third time and I'm like

1036
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: diggest that shoot was actually what Tyson that did you

1037
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: had a relationship other than that or no time? No,

1038
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: I knew of a job aza he uh. I've watched

1039
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: him box. He's a great fighter. And but you know,

1040
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: obviously there's there's people that love Tyson that you know what,

1041
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: they love Tyson so much. Zab is one of them. Um,

1042
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: I don't hold it against him. So okay, now this

1043
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: fight finally happens. Right, you already know you great, you

1044
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: already know what's happening. You're in the room. I believe

1045
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: you're playing all hands right when am I playing? Wasn't

1046
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: in in the Tyson fright about an addressing room? Oh no, no,

1047
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: you're playing something. I was playing caton Yeah, that was

1048
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: currently that time. Yea. And the guy from Tyson camp,

1049
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: because see your man said that he knew he was

1050
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: gonna win the fight from the press comp. I did

1051
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: not love that. I think he's gonna fight because of

1052
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: how you did not care Tyson's man. I was there

1053
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: to sign your glove. That was the body snatch you

1054
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: right there? Wait, what was the body snatcher? That was

1055
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: Mike McCullum, the guy I didn't know. Yeah, and he's Jamaican.

1056
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: He understood, Yeah, he understood. Nice guy. Loved the guy

1057
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: to death. But you know, he's a Tyson fan. He

1058
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: loves Tyson. He loves me too. But at that time,

1059
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: he's he was with Tyson. Tyson told him to come over,

1060
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 1: come over, watch me wrap my gloves. We're playing some

1061
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: Jamaican music. We're getting into it. He's feeling the vibe.

1062
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to you know, I'm trying to say.

1063
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: He's trying to say, you know, he's on the Tyson field.

1064
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, I'm on the Louis field. We're

1065
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: not giving up. This is how we feel about it,

1066
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: and you know, we're feeling good. So all he could

1067
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: feel was the vibe in the dressing room, knowing that

1068
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: we were ready, and he couldn't really come back and

1069
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: give that to Tyson. Say, oh, what could he tell

1070
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: Tyson they're not playing? Yeah, basically, yeah, I watched them,

1071
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: Uh wrap up, everything's good. But he felt the vibe.

1072
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: So now let me ask you. You do know the

1073
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: reputation of Tyson this after holy Field, you'll beat holy Field.

1074
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: He for holy Field, He beat holy Field's air off.

1075
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: He beat you in the Crescent press conference. I believe

1076
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: that's what, Yeah, to live in the leg, in the

1077
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: leg in the first three parts. So I threw the

1078
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: first punches though, the first three punches, I believe you said.

1079
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: So this first round happens at least the first time

1080
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: I've ever seen this. They had these people with the

1081
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: yellow shirts. First time in history. I've never I'm a

1082
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: boxing fan. My mother was a boxing place for the

1083
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: golden gloves. I'm not a box to shoot. I don't

1084
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: know why, I don't know how that happen. It's weird, right,

1085
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: but anyway, first time I'm looking and I'm seeing yellow

1086
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: shirts and between the wind and I'm like, wow, what

1087
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: are you thinking. I'm thinking I've ever seen this before,

1088
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking I'm walking the ring. Let me tell

1089
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: you first thing, Tyson came into a great song DMX

1090
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: DMX maybe what was it? What was it? Yeah? You

1091
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:15,959
Speaker 1: know who I came into. You know who I came into.

1092
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: I came into Bob Marley and I wasn't in no rush.

1093
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: It was easy, yeah, going, and we're chasing the ballers

1094
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: out of time. Yeah, and big up to the Marley family,

1095
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: the whole of Marley family. Big up, Ritchie, big up. Yes. Um.

1096
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: So you know I was relaxed coming in the ring.

1097
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 1: When I came in the ring, I went over to

1098
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: my corner. I've seen Mike Tyson in the middle of

1099
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 1: the ring looking over at me. I'm like, I don't

1100
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 1: have to look over. I'm back here. I can see everything.

1101
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: So that was interesting. First time in history that ever happened.

1102
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: First time in history. We actually weighed in on separate

1103
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 1: days cause to the press, because of they thought something

1104
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: was gonna go off, you know, my team against his team,

1105
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 1: because it happened before, but it didn't. You know, it

1106
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 1: was great that we walked into the fight with a

1107
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: human I'm gonna tell you something, Barrier. Yes, and I'm

1108
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: not on um Tyson's team in any way, shape, form

1109
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: or fashion. But when him rush you at that press conference,

1110
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: I bought the pay per view because I said, holy shit,

1111
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: they hate each other. This is what So when Tyson

1112
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: his promo works what you're saying that it absolutely what

1113
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 1: you're saying. You gotta remember, like what year was that

1114
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: Google three? I had to get four three or four

1115
01:09:55,240 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 1: yo pay per view right then let's go. And so

1116
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: didn't you let me tell you I didn't come to

1117
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: that press confidence to fight. I was in a suit. Yeah,

1118
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 1: I was in a three piece suit. It's like you know,

1119
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: but I did have the fruits to Islam protecting me.

1120
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: So they protected me like I wasn't touched in that sense,

1121
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: like when when he attacked me, they were there. Uh.

1122
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 1: I didn't want that fight that to happen. In fact,

1123
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it happened. Why would the man attack me?

1124
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: So I thought that he never wanted to fight because

1125
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: he like um not bo did Yeah you think he

1126
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: does a bow move type of thing or not. I'm

1127
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 1: I just thought it was I thought it was a

1128
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,640
Speaker 1: sucker sucker move in one sense, like yeo, why is

1129
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: he doing it? Doesn't he want the fight to happen.

1130
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna make millions? What's he doing? But I didn't

1131
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: think the millions mattered at that time. So and it

1132
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: way when he beat me on my leg, It's like, yo,

1133
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: I was shocked that he would bite me on my leg.

1134
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: I've never been bit by a human before, and so

1135
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 1: you knew when you got this human man, you knew

1136
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:17,560
Speaker 1: that it's human. It's human. I was actually actually in

1137
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: a little shock, like yo, this man bait me. I

1138
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 1: can see the there's a green circle around the bite. Almost. Yeah.

1139
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: And then this guy is saying that, you know, he

1140
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: wants to bruised, he bruised, he wants to he wants

1141
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: to eat my kids. I'm I don't know about all

1142
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 1: that jail talking. You know that still comes from jail,

1143
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: Jill talk to me. And then also, let's be clear,

1144
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a Tyson fan. But he also told a

1145
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: reporter I'm as like it was to me. That was

1146
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: just wild and wild and yell. We were video tape

1147
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: in this whole shit, and you can't this is not

1148
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: this is not the guy you met cast No, No,

1149
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: I don't know him like that. I don't know him

1150
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: like that. I know him as a nice guy. You know,

1151
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 1: you guys are very polite. Yeah, so this is a

1152
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: new person to me. So after the fight, this is

1153
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: the guy that I know. Because I'm gonna be honest,

1154
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: I always felt like you didn't forgive him right out

1155
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 1: in the fight. Right after the fight, everybody's apologizing to you.

1156
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: You're definitely not looking at him, You're looking away. You

1157
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: gotta remember, you gotta remember I won the fight. So

1158
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 1: I can never look at him badly, like, yo, I

1159
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,440
Speaker 1: wanted to fight. I feel good. You know, he's apologized

1160
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: on being like this is the fight of the century,

1161
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 1: my brother. Yes, this is the fight that everybody was

1162
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 1: looking forward to. They wanted to see this fight. So

1163
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm happy that actually occurred. Instead of like, yo, if

1164
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,679
Speaker 1: he would be incarcerating, we never thought that this whole

1165
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 1: argument would be be going for centuries. Now. I'm gonna

1166
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: tell you something, but you gotta before you gotta give

1167
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: it up to Tyson for his humility after the fight.

1168
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: Not only that, Mike Tyson came to UM New York Club.

1169
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: I forgot the name of the club right now. It

1170
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: escapes me. But when they were uh saying that I was,

1171
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, on the spirited champion. He came and said

1172
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: and played his respect, and I'm like, yo, this guy

1173
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: respects me. Man, this guy's full of respect. I love

1174
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 1: this guy. Yes, yes, I can't remember that because guy's

1175
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 1: got a drinking so so. Uh when you look at

1176
01:13:55,760 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: the arts and all this, like people like lenses, what

1177
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: was the odds against you and Tyson? You know, I

1178
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: think it was more. Oh it's from Britain, you know,

1179
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: horizontal heavyweights. UM you know, they don't have a chance.

1180
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,600
Speaker 1: We got we gotta kill it. We got tyson. So

1181
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,560
Speaker 1: everybody was looking at me as being a soft englishman

1182
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: type of things. So I just wanted to prove him wrong.

1183
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: Drink that I got. I got one more shot after me,

1184
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:38,839
Speaker 1: please please. Also, you know, I watched the Dog myself,

1185
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: and I noticed from the beginning to the end, you

1186
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: had lots of friends, but there was friends that you trusted,

1187
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: that you took that car story just to keep you grounded.

1188
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: And I want you to talk about that. You know

1189
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: the importance of having your friends uh along your journey

1190
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 1: with you. And the second part of the question is

1191
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: are your hands still considered lethal weapons? Let me ask

1192
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: you the first question. Yes, let me ask I mean

1193
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: sex question. What was it about your friends? So he's

1194
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:23,679
Speaker 1: asking you, he's looking at knowing he's asking you that question.

1195
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:30,440
Speaker 1: His friends friends, My friends were important. It was important

1196
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: to me to keep my friends there. And you know,

1197
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: let's talk about Corney. Corney is such a great friend.

1198
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 1: Me and him were in the same class together. We

1199
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 1: used to give trouble to the teachers football players. He's

1200
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 1: the guy talked about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're on the

1201
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: same football team together. Now see the guy who's supposed

1202
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 1: to go be an athlete, left letter trainer, but he

1203
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 1: stopped for you for one fight, the one with the

1204
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: with with closing your yeah, and uh, you know he

1205
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: knew I know him, I knew him. I know how

1206
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,679
Speaker 1: he is. He's a serious guy. He don't ticket, he's

1207
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: he's a straight talker. So happen in on my team

1208
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 1: was very important. It was a good asset for me

1209
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: because I don't have to worry about if he's gonna

1210
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: lie to me, if if money's gonna manipulate him, if

1211
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: people are gonna keeping your grounded, keep him me grounded.

1212
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: So he was great respect to him as I pulled

1213
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: you to the shot. So now you beat Tyson, I

1214
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: don't want to ring, Like, do you realize how many

1215
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,640
Speaker 1: people love Tyson? Did you get like death threats and

1216
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 1: things like that when you beat Tyson? Like he goes like,

1217
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,879
Speaker 1: well the funds, Like you know it must be somebody

1218
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: like you know, I knew a lot of people love

1219
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 1: Tyson to the degree where you know I would like,

1220
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: for instance, I'm in New York and we're going to

1221
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: one of those after hour club. I mean, my boy

1222
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 1: is going to the club alone. As we're walking into

1223
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 1: the club, we're seeing like fifteen guys stomping out one guy.

1224
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 1: And then as we're walking in, the guy comes up

1225
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 1: to me and says, oh, yo, yeah, we love Tyson.

1226
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, I love Tyson too, And then you know,

1227
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: nothing happens. They go on because I'm like, you're ready,

1228
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm ready for it. I'm ready to uh and uh.

1229
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: You know it's like that. It's like I'm in I'm

1230
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 1: in America, a lot of Tyson fans and I'm the

1231
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,759
Speaker 1: man that's saying I'm the best and I'm gonna beat Tyson.

1232
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 1: So you know, I gotta watch where I step because

1233
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: there's a lot of Tyson fans. Four quick time I slam.

1234
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: Do you remember shot the video? Um, I'm going to

1235
01:17:55,479 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 1: live my life remember that video? Little extra filming the video,

1236
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 1: little exposed me to the side, says yo. You know.

1237
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 1: Lennis Lewis says, I wanted to chop Little X in

1238
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 1: his fucking throat. Slewis, It's like, let this Lewis canna

1239
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: come by and come chills, and We're like, h this

1240
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:17,839
Speaker 1: was come by, come give him five. I'm totally forgetting.

1241
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 1: I'm filming the video. He and this is and Jar

1242
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: Rule and they pull up and yeah, roll on them.

1243
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 1: Look and they say, man, Lennix Lynnix. You can tell

1244
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: he's just focused. I don't know if you remember this,

1245
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: but I remember, like, yes, because I never begave. I

1246
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 1: never forgave, so I looved and John just looked at

1247
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: He was like, yo, bro, so you know you know

1248
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose against Tyson. And I could just look

1249
01:18:55,280 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: at the lyrics he just show. You remember like he

1250
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: just he gave him the eyes of pig. He didn't

1251
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,560
Speaker 1: really want to. You know, we had invited and I

1252
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 1: could remember. I remember when he beat Tyson. I called

1253
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 1: job man. Yeah, but I could imagine this is his job.

1254
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 1: Job didn't disrespect, he just was He just was versing

1255
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: his opinion. But I could imagine what he was going

1256
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 1: through through the world when you when you're walking around people,

1257
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 1: was saying here, no more here. Because even to Puffy,

1258
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: I said, Puff, who are you gonna pick? He said,

1259
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: I gotta go in New York, New York. After all

1260
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 1: you see, he said, I gotta go in New York.

1261
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I respect that. I respect the man

1262
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 1: saying to my face he's going with Tyson, but me

1263
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: and my friends because that gave me the heat to

1264
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 1: prove him wrong. Like, yo, bro, I beat and now

1265
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: your friends with Dr Drake. God damn it, it's getting

1266
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: over his situation. Yeah, drink chairs by the ways up. Yeah,

1267
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 1: so just hav into that for a second. Um, most

1268
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 1: people can't get Dr Dre to pick up their phone

1269
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 1: and so they too, Yeah what's that connection? Let me

1270
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: tell you. Dr Dre is he's incredible, bro, incredible, Like, Yo,

1271
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 1: this guy is semantic. This guy should be playing chess.

1272
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 1: He's playing chess on a different level. He had the

1273
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 1: e F glasses on to glasses on the glasses in

1274
01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 1: a great way. Here's yeah, but what what are you

1275
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: hanging out with him? And you say, could you narrow

1276
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 1: my shirt? Or he just says, I meant. I met

1277
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 1: Dre in Miami at a club. I mean we're sitting down.

1278
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: He had like six bodyguards and I was sitting next

1279
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 1: to him. I was like, Yo, what's up and mean

1280
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 1: and we're talking for a while, and I realized that

1281
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 1: guy's got a great spirit, great energy. And then when

1282
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 1: I went to his house, she talked to him about

1283
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:38,679
Speaker 1: the documentary. He showed me his big house, beautiful house.

1284
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 1: But he's got a beautiful mind, and he's got he's

1285
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: got great positive people around him. His friends are very positive.

1286
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 1: So you know, I told him my thing about doing

1287
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,560
Speaker 1: a documentary opened up my life and this and that.

1288
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 1: He said, do it. He said, my friend came every

1289
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 1: day and told me I need to do the documentary.

1290
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:03,640
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, I'm not doing it.

1291
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 1: Then after the third time, he said, okay, you do it.

1292
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:09,600
Speaker 1: Then he did it. He said he was glad he

1293
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 1: did it. So that really showed me that I needed

1294
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 1: to do. He said, open up. He said, people want

1295
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 1: to know you. They want to tell him. Yeah, you know,

1296
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,560
Speaker 1: we need to know the other part. Yeah, and he

1297
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: was right. So I did, and he helped me open

1298
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 1: up with my documentary. So godam it makes a noise

1299
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 1: about That's got a segment on the show called quick

1300
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 1: Time a slim. Now, if you don't want to pick

1301
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 1: either one, it's okay, a shot, Okay, all right, all right,

1302
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: let's just get it. Let's get his shot, give a

1303
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 1: little something something because I don't know you can't for

1304
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: this first one, and I wanna take a shot with

1305
01:22:53,120 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 1: you whenever you can't take school. You can't pick. Then

1306
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 1: we take a shot. Okay, this first one, you might

1307
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 1: get your shot. Ready, let's do it all right, because

1308
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 1: this is quick time, slim right. The first one is

1309
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 1: England or Canada, the world. I'm like, what are you doing? Okay,

1310
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 1: this this should be easy, but this should be easy

1311
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: for you, Mike Tyson, Ali, oh, both come on, we

1312
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: can't take before you go to the next one. Let

1313
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 1: me tell you what. Let me tell you why both legends.

1314
01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 1: I love them both great uh people, great character, and

1315
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: they're living history generationally, they were the great. I'm but

1316
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need you choose to stop for here. Now,

1317
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 1: z onsh you got oranges and you've got apples? Which

1318
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 1: one do you put in your grocery basket? Oranges? I'm

1319
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 1: gonna get my shot because I don't know, hold on,

1320
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, I'm I'm taking a shot. But

1321
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 1: also he said both, He said both, yes, but you

1322
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:57,800
Speaker 1: can't which is the favorite fruit? Oranges or apples? As

1323
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 1: we were too this one, how I look at Biggie

1324
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 1: and Puck oranges and apples. That's why I ain't got

1325
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 1: big pot. But jay Z already said that's the trying

1326
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:24,600
Speaker 1: avoid s Nate Sharon walked in head all right, M

1327
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 1: S G or M G M. Don't know who they are.

1328
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 1: M S G is Master Square Vegas. What you put

1329
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 1: in the from GM Vegas. Yeah, you're talking about two Mecca,

1330
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 1: my shot man? Do you want to put up like

1331
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 1: come rules? Ms G bush into with Patrick? Alight? Alright,

1332
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 1: that's better? Are you better? Hang on? Dr j No, No, Michael,

1333
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 1: I got Louis Joe Lewis or Rocky mar Oh my

1334
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 1: brother brother better. I'm going for the bigger man, Joe

1335
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 1: Louis Joe because because now the reason why I took that,

1336
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: because Joe Lewis is bigger. It's a heavyweight, Hea heavyweight,

1337
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 1: I got. I got a couple more, all right, I

1338
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 1: think I think I know you're gonna pick with this,

1339
01:26:54,320 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 1: Manuel Stewart or Customertil. You got history and science? Which one? History? Science? History?

1340
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 1: You gotta believe history? Please make one because I don't

1341
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: gotta because this gets hard after this as hard? All right?

1342
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 1: So no either or oh no history and science so

1343
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:36,680
Speaker 1: you can't break history and side no shot for that.

1344
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 1: But this one is I'm gonna get my shot lined up.

1345
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:45,799
Speaker 1: Jordan's or Kobe. Oh, come on this history of science,

1346
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 1: that's what it is. Let's say. You know, when I

1347
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 1: heard about Kobe's passing, I was so disappointed. I was

1348
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 1: so struck. What really struck me the most was the

1349
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 1: fact that he had his daughter with him. That's so

1350
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 1: he will be forever loved. And you know, every time

1351
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 1: I go in l A, I see different paintings, so

1352
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 1: he will always be remembered. So I expect that. Let's

1353
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: have let's have a doing him and his daughter. Yeah, yeah,

1354
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 1: we have to um, yeah, you have to love Braun

1355
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 1: or Durant Oh talking about too great. That's he's like activity.

1356
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 1: He's like bringing a potato. Let me tell you, both

1357
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 1: of them do positive ship. That's very too. So how

1358
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 1: can you pick one both of them? Let me tell

1359
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 1: you next one. I gonna pick it. I'm gonna pick it.

1360
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 1: Very tough. This is easy. Kim, oh, foxy brown baby,

1361
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 1: big respect to little Kim because she was the first.

1362
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 1: Thing was she was the first. She did it the most,

1363
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: she did enough things, and she's opened the way for

1364
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,840
Speaker 1: the young kids that are coming up now. So little

1365
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 1: Kim is there. And let me tell you, I was

1366
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 1: walking at one time. I think I was in the

1367
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 1: fountain blue or something, and she was out there and

1368
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:52,760
Speaker 1: I walked past, and she goes, hey, you don't remember me.

1369
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:56,679
Speaker 1: You don't know me? Like you so looking like whoa?

1370
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 1: So uh? She she's actually at pool side, so you know,

1371
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 1: we don't know what it's going. I feel like he's

1372
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 1: getting Kim is sweet. She's okay, my shot ready? Yea,

1373
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 1: boca biggie, this is you know where this is going?

1374
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 1: Because a hazard of sunds questions. You gotta put yourself

1375
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 1: unless he's like does the sunny. But lest you pick somebody,

1376
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 1: you're not picking two bacca biggie. Right, That's that's cool.

1377
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 1: What's cool. I'm picking somebody, y'all picking somebody. I'm picking

1378
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 1: history and science, history and science, science, science, same back

1379
01:30:55,160 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 1: of groceries, indoortory or outdoor training? I say winter training.

1380
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 1: That's outdoor. No. Let me tell you why. When I

1381
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 1: was training in the winter, I got in the best

1382
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:17,719
Speaker 1: shape of my life. You know why, because I couldn't.

1383
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 1: I couldn't stop. If he dies, he dies, because you've

1384
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:25,519
Speaker 1: got to keep yourself water right, if he dies, he dies,

1385
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Your science guy. What's your favorite subject?

1386
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 1: All right, all right, so here's the crazy ship. Here,

1387
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 1: here's my engine. Up. Floyd Mayweather or Sugar. I gotta

1388
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 1: say Floyd in this let me let me say very

1389
01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 1: good and let me tell you I'm wrong on both,

1390
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 1: because you know Sugary lind is a legend and he's

1391
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:09,639
Speaker 1: I've watched a couple of fights of him where he's

1392
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 1: impressed me. So you know when you say which one,

1393
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 1: science baby, science baby, you already picked me Weather. Yes,

1394
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 1: I got to take a shot for that. Ready, this one.

1395
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure clear what you want to say? Dr

1396
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:33,280
Speaker 1: Dre Pop daddy, Dr Daddy? How can you put two

1397
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 1: legends and say to pick one you've been saying just

1398
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 1: go to narrative. Man, I'm all in, I'm all in.

1399
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 1: I'm all in another shop to Dre is a legend?

1400
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 1: Is a legend? Drink so much like the next minute,

1401
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:15,599
Speaker 1: and let me tell you something, bro slot Brott. One

1402
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 1: two more questions. Please tell him to tell him tell

1403
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 1: loyalty or respect? Come on, let's finish that. Finish that first.

1404
01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 1: Already you're talking, you're talking apples, all right, young into

1405
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 1: the question, man, I already we mean poor drink your shot,

1406
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 1: just this one I don't believe you. And this is

1407
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 1: the last one. You acted like an apple right now,

1408
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:56,160
Speaker 1: give you another one. And this one, I know how

1409
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 1: he's going to answer this one. This is the very

1410
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 1: last quick time with slop. Is everybody here knock out

1411
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 1: all t K that's easy, nut, you know it? Baby?

1412
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 1: Come on? Got that? Everybody? Come on, man, I asked

1413
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:32,600
Speaker 1: me another question. Oh no, we're good. We got you

1414
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 1: guys have a quick time with drink had sports pass.

1415
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:38,679
Speaker 1: Let's go, Let's go on. I got one. I'm gonna

1416
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 1: take a week, guys, I got one. I got one,

1417
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 1: I got one. Yeah, let's go Frank or Kelly? Oh,

1418
01:34:53,880 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 1: take it down. I like Frank Kelly. The fact that

1419
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, I knew Frank as Frank for the whole

1420
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:17,799
Speaker 1: of his life. When he turned into Kelly. It's like, okay,

1421
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 1: if if this is what you want to do the

1422
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:24,400
Speaker 1: first yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the first Yeah, I'm not

1423
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:28,439
Speaker 1: I'm not going to find it. If that's what's if

1424
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 1: that's gonna if that's Donna stopped very hot. I feel

1425
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 1: like I'm not to fight at all. The bab like

1426
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 1: we could go with him. Okay, I want to know

1427
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 1: what basketball team did you like, don't tell you, tell

1428
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:04,799
Speaker 1: me Boston. He was, I knew it and I see it. Okay,

1429
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:17,799
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. Tell him so Holy Mormon, because

1430
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 1: this is very like you know, I like Frank, but

1431
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 1: then I like Kelly after that words. But you were

1432
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 1: like the first person to have like like a Bosh

1433
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:33,720
Speaker 1: Jenner and you can't. It wasn't in my camp in

1434
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 1: a sense. What he did was really realized that this

1435
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:42,200
Speaker 1: he wasn't happy with himself, so he wanted to be Kelly.

1436
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if that's what you want to beat Kelly,

1437
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 1: and it's gonna make you happy, and it's gonna make

1438
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 1: you it's gonna save your life because if you're thinking

1439
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 1: about right, right, if you're gonna if you're trying to

1440
01:36:56,720 --> 01:37:01,280
Speaker 1: hurt yourself, and you feel that if you become Kelly,

1441
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 1: you'll be all right. I'm with it, you know, I

1442
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:07,719
Speaker 1: don't I don't want people to commit suicide on different things.

1443
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:14,320
Speaker 1: But the way he communicates with you or or yeah, no,

1444
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, I mean you don't have to be conflicted

1445
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 1: because you know, Jamaicans are probably though deepest, rudest boom Yo.

1446
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:32,720
Speaker 1: You hang around with a lot of Jamaicans so you

1447
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:36,680
Speaker 1: know what's going on, what's going on your body. I

1448
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:39,800
Speaker 1: realized that some of them come to me and say,

1449
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 1: you know what every man should live with how they

1450
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 1: want to live. Yes, some of them. But it's not old. No. No,

1451
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 1: I believe in that you're talking about. I believe in

1452
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:50,639
Speaker 1: people should live how they want to live. You want

1453
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 1: to live like that, that's okay. I'm not fighting against you.

1454
01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 1: I believe that too. I believe what you believe. Yeah,

1455
01:37:56,520 --> 01:38:02,000
Speaker 1: we the world. The world is round. It's not flat,

1456
01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:07,600
Speaker 1: it's not square, it's round. So we we got to

1457
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 1: open up ourselves and be open to different things. Yeah.

1458
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:14,800
Speaker 1: So if people have that in their mind, if you

1459
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 1: want to be a certain way, I'm not fighting against you.

1460
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 1: That's how you want to live your life. This is

1461
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 1: your existence. So I'm not against it. Who's on your side? Actually? Yeah,

1462
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 1: like I said, it doesn't change the communication he had

1463
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:35,680
Speaker 1: with you from the beginning or no, no, no. So, uh,

1464
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, when I look at Kelly, you know what

1465
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:42,439
Speaker 1: his choices are and what he wants to do, and

1466
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:46,200
Speaker 1: the fact that he's doing it. I'm not I'm not

1467
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 1: fighting against him that he was the first. I'm sure

1468
01:38:54,280 --> 01:39:01,640
Speaker 1: he's not the first especially at that time, and he

1469
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 1: didn't do it against you. He obviously it was hard

1470
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:08,920
Speaker 1: for him. All right. Yeah, I mean, if the man

1471
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 1: wants to do a certain thing, I'm gonna think about

1472
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:13,519
Speaker 1: it and say, if that's what you want to do it,

1473
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:16,800
Speaker 1: I'm there, I'm there, I'm like, I'm supporting it. You know,

1474
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:20,519
Speaker 1: I don't want people to commit suicide. If they want

1475
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:24,280
Speaker 1: to do commit suicide, live your life and not literally

1476
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:29,720
Speaker 1: like life. I was gonna say that hasn't been the

1477
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 1: high life from the documentary where he started as him

1478
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:37,240
Speaker 1: and then as Kelly, So that shouldn't change the perspective

1479
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:39,640
Speaker 1: of who he is as a person, right right, right

1480
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:45,840
Speaker 1: right the old call where it wasn't like it. It's

1481
01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:49,200
Speaker 1: crazy because how they put it in the documentary. I

1482
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 1: thought they put it perfectly. To that perfectly too, because

1483
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:58,760
Speaker 1: a lot of us don't understand what's going on, but

1484
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:01,920
Speaker 1: we respect, Yeah, and that's all we gotta do. Just

1485
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:07,160
Speaker 1: like you know, it's not fuss to understand to respect

1486
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:12,920
Speaker 1: everybody in individual choices like that. Respected. You know. There's

1487
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:15,840
Speaker 1: a little thing going on in in in the world

1488
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 1: right now. There's this Magan aspect going off with with

1489
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:27,280
Speaker 1: with what's going on with the world. Magan Marco Marco

1490
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 1: maker Marco about that. How do you feel about someone? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1491
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, you know she's she has shown that there's

1492
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:39,840
Speaker 1: different things going on that she had to deal with

1493
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:44,960
Speaker 1: and how she came out of it. Morgan says, she's alive. Yeah,

1494
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:51,840
Speaker 1: here's Morgan is a bully. Is a bully in one Segan,

1495
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:57,120
Speaker 1: you can't shut me down? Fuck you, anybody to do.

1496
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:02,280
Speaker 1: I don't have actually even must let's say even my partner.

1497
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:09,800
Speaker 1: You know, I don't give They're gonna let me do

1498
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:12,559
Speaker 1: what the fun I want doing. In your early years

1499
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:16,680
Speaker 1: growing up, it's more he did that for you. You

1500
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:21,680
Speaker 1: couldn't do it for yourself. You say, it's almost over.

1501
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 1: Man's a profession in your early years growing up in Britain.

1502
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:28,439
Speaker 1: Would you agree with what she said? Did you feel

1503
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:34,720
Speaker 1: any of that? But racism? What she said was was

1504
01:41:34,840 --> 01:41:39,920
Speaker 1: her reality and I appreciate the fact that it came

1505
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 1: out so people can actually talk about it. And I

1506
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:47,360
Speaker 1: think that talking about is very important because it gets

1507
01:41:47,479 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 1: people's views and what she's gone through. Like, for instance,

1508
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:56,040
Speaker 1: we don't know where she's gone through, but she told

1509
01:41:56,120 --> 01:41:58,800
Speaker 1: us what she's gone through her truth. Yea, her truth,

1510
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 1: and we have to listen to it. This is the

1511
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:06,519
Speaker 1: first time that you know, anybody, Yeah, a black woman's

1512
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 1: being involved in in the can It's not surprising. These

1513
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:22,120
Speaker 1: are monarchies that are centuries old. Yeah, you're right, Labory

1514
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:25,040
Speaker 1: or whatever. Everything that's happened in the world. You're right,

1515
01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 1: You're right, it happens. And it's interesting that's brought to

1516
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 1: the forefront. It's important that it's brought to the forefront

1517
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:37,840
Speaker 1: because what she's saying, she's saying that she's involved in

1518
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:43,920
Speaker 1: the family and she felt like yo, she felt that

1519
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:47,400
Speaker 1: nobody was with her, and she felt that she needed

1520
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:52,040
Speaker 1: to um tell the people what was happening around her.

1521
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 1: And so that was happening. That was that was That

1522
01:42:54,360 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 1: was good, That was positive. It's it's interesting because it

1523
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:09,160
Speaker 1: helps us, you know, open up, open up and speak

1524
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:14,439
Speaker 1: about what's happening. The opening where it's like the memes,

1525
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:17,680
Speaker 1: the memes where they're like the English family how they

1526
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:20,000
Speaker 1: see the baby, and then how the English family see

1527
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:22,800
Speaker 1: the baby? Did you see that? Yeah? I did? Yeah,

1528
01:43:23,680 --> 01:43:27,000
Speaker 1: you know it's reality. You know if she felt that way,

1529
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:34,559
Speaker 1: and you know, I understand that people will talk about

1530
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:41,400
Speaker 1: the future and how the future looks. So if they're saying,

1531
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:46,320
Speaker 1: what color is the baby gonna be? That's positive talk.

1532
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:52,760
Speaker 1: You don't know Makan how she looks. You wouldn't think

1533
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:56,640
Speaker 1: she was black, but she's black beautiful. Would that be

1534
01:43:56,680 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 1: positive talking? I think it's positive because it's talk. You know,

1535
01:44:00,920 --> 01:44:07,400
Speaker 1: people are interested inquiry. It's absolitive, absolutely right. You know,

1536
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:10,600
Speaker 1: if somebody says, oh, what color is the baby going

1537
01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:14,360
Speaker 1: to be? It's not positive? Who cares? But that's not positive.

1538
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:17,639
Speaker 1: It's positive. You know why it say it's positive because

1539
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:25,320
Speaker 1: it's it's been spoken about. Somebody's saying, I wonder what

1540
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:27,880
Speaker 1: the color of the baby is going to be? Like,

1541
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:34,479
Speaker 1: that's not positive, you know, it's it's it's it's an inquiry.

1542
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:38,240
Speaker 1: It's an inquiry. If a top person has a baby

1543
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:40,720
Speaker 1: with a small person, is a positive to say are

1544
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:42,920
Speaker 1: they gonna be sure? No, it's just an inquiry. But

1545
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46,920
Speaker 1: that's actually an obvious conversation. But it's a conversation conversation.

1546
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:50,640
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a baby with my person? Are they

1547
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:52,719
Speaker 1: going to be dark skinned? That's not positive as an inquiry,

1548
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 1: you know it's not, but it's a positive. But it's

1549
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 1: not negative. Depending on what you're asking the question, it's

1550
01:44:59,880 --> 01:45:03,880
Speaker 1: a conversation. Thank you, it's a conversation. Your conversation, and

1551
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:07,519
Speaker 1: the conversation. If the klansman is saying, what colors the baby?

1552
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:18,639
Speaker 1: That's negative, it's a conversation why because because it can

1553
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:23,840
Speaker 1: go both us. Tell him why he asked me to

1554
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:25,880
Speaker 1: tell him? Why tell him to tell you? Why? Tell

1555
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:29,760
Speaker 1: me why? If you think it's positive, it's positive. If

1556
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:35,000
Speaker 1: you think it's negative, I get that that spiritual spirit.

1557
01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:39,600
Speaker 1: I can say if the crisman's asking, he's probably not positive,

1558
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:45,880
Speaker 1: he's probably he's probably not the same. What the fun

1559
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:58,120
Speaker 1: we did makes it? You're gonna take a can I

1560
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:05,040
Speaker 1: take a picture where you study, look, get up, drink

1561
01:46:05,120 --> 01:46:18,320
Speaker 1: ship ship. So this what was done? This was done

1562
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 1: well before we get out of I do because I

1563
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:27,800
Speaker 1: want to go back to South Africa real because I

1564
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 1: went to South Africa. I miss some great people and

1565
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 1: I want to shot them out real quick because they're

1566
01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:34,320
Speaker 1: gonna be watching this into There was a place called

1567
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:36,360
Speaker 1: and I don't want to I'm gonna butcher. The name

1568
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:42,280
Speaker 1: slack Us, which means butcher, butcher or butchery. And it

1569
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 1: was like they're like their spot where like the rappers

1570
01:46:45,439 --> 01:46:48,680
Speaker 1: Win and and MCS, the top MCS came out of

1571
01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:51,400
Speaker 1: there and I want to just shot them out. Selema

1572
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:54,080
Speaker 1: rights another m C out there, so shout out to them.

1573
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:56,080
Speaker 1: Everybody that I met out there in South Africa is amazing.

1574
01:47:00,120 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 1: Can what can you tell us about South Africa For

1575
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:05,680
Speaker 1: the people that haven't been there, I'll tell you what

1576
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:09,840
Speaker 1: I got out of it, which was insane hearing them

1577
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 1: talk about apartheid openly in open spaces, with every every

1578
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:23,800
Speaker 1: race in the in the room. They just talk conversations

1579
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:28,559
Speaker 1: like we're saying, here's the way I heard it over there.

1580
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:31,360
Speaker 1: And they're still going through ship like they still have

1581
01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:35,800
Speaker 1: a lot of problems in South Africa, but they talk openly, loud, proud,

1582
01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:40,240
Speaker 1: no matter what they're talking about the past, the present, future, whatever,

1583
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:43,320
Speaker 1: and and nobody's like blinking an eye of like is

1584
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:47,800
Speaker 1: a white guy there is this guy in terms of

1585
01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:53,320
Speaker 1: that conversation, that conversation, yes, the way they embrace it, Yes,

1586
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:56,280
Speaker 1: the way they talk about the conversation. Yes, I would

1587
01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:58,519
Speaker 1: have I would say that's what I got out of

1588
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:00,880
Speaker 1: out of that trip. And Drain Drain could speak, I

1589
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:18,000
Speaker 1: don't know King documentary. But damn part though the serious

1590
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:20,479
Speaker 1: like you gotta think about the party. When did they finish,

1591
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:23,160
Speaker 1: Like maybe less than thirty four years ago. Part Time

1592
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 1: is fairly new in terms of like all of our

1593
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a current thing that happened in

1594
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,240
Speaker 1: our lifetime. Okay, let me tell you about the part time.

1595
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:34,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know there was like, uh, you met Nelson. No, no, no,

1596
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:40,720
Speaker 1: a thing where there's a there's a chart where the

1597
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:46,479
Speaker 1: black people, the Indian people, the less light people after

1598
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:49,599
Speaker 1: they were on a chart that what they call colors

1599
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:51,320
Speaker 1: over there, which that was a new thing that I

1600
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:54,960
Speaker 1: never understood, and so I got there the days still

1601
01:48:55,680 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 1: bro Indian people have to live with Indian people. People

1602
01:49:00,439 --> 01:49:03,080
Speaker 1: have to live where the black people live. Light skin

1603
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:05,519
Speaker 1: people out the black people are the Africans. Yeah you

1604
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:09,320
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, the black of African Let me

1605
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:13,280
Speaker 1: talk one question still. But I didn't know there was

1606
01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 1: a colored thing. And the colored thing is like if

1607
01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:20,120
Speaker 1: a comb goes through your hair, then you live with

1608
01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:23,920
Speaker 1: her in a place don't go through you. You have

1609
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:26,599
Speaker 1: to live over there. In the Firth Certificate, we found

1610
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:30,839
Speaker 1: that out. Yeah, they put cape colored colored means Mulatto

1611
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:34,639
Speaker 1: for us cape colored. And that means that's your race,

1612
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:37,400
Speaker 1: that's who you are, that's what you are. You have

1613
01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:39,599
Speaker 1: to live over there, that's how you live. I mean,

1614
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:47,160
Speaker 1: that's that's your status. Meant this is not only as

1615
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:49,560
Speaker 1: a comb going to go through my hair, but guess what,

1616
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:54,640
Speaker 1: I'm everywhere whateverywhere. Listen, bro I wouldn't want to know

1617
01:49:55,040 --> 01:50:15,439
Speaker 1: what kind of shampoo it his shoulder. Man, I can't

1618
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:18,040
Speaker 1: thank you so much, thank you bro. No, but I

1619
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:19,679
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like I feel like I feel

1620
01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:21,280
Speaker 1: like I feel like he still wants. I feel like

1621
01:50:21,320 --> 01:50:33,640
Speaker 1: you want to beat the Clifsico bros. Yeah, beat the

1622
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:37,479
Speaker 1: ferocious one, not not because the other one was like

1623
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:40,320
Speaker 1: a doctor, right, the other one was. And then you

1624
01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:44,040
Speaker 1: beat the one that's like you want to fight. When

1625
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:46,400
Speaker 1: you beat them, what made you even want to take

1626
01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:51,680
Speaker 1: that fight? You? You beat Tyson both of the time. No,

1627
01:50:51,880 --> 01:50:59,040
Speaker 1: Clisco brothers are great. Want to fight Ivando glob Toms. Yeah, No,

1628
01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:07,720
Speaker 1: Clissco They're the next generation. They came after me, so, um,

1629
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:19,080
Speaker 1: you know they paid their contribution to boxing financial right, Yeah, so,

1630
01:51:19,560 --> 01:51:22,920
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that. I respect them for that. I

1631
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:25,920
Speaker 1: respect them for that. You could have retired and just

1632
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:30,080
Speaker 1: walked away, but you wanted to this virus Russians. I've

1633
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:39,720
Speaker 1: been driving this is fucking I don't want I don't

1634
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:41,759
Speaker 1: have your number at the time, and my mom texting

1635
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:47,400
Speaker 1: you don't take this fight. Why are you fighting Ivan Dragon?

1636
01:51:48,160 --> 01:51:52,280
Speaker 1: You beat my typon, just leave it alone. What made

1637
01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:56,600
Speaker 1: you want to do that? Because I had the opportunity

1638
01:51:56,800 --> 01:52:02,839
Speaker 1: of boxing the next generation. Great fucking some some somebody

1639
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:04,840
Speaker 1: said to me. Somebody said to me said, like, yo,

1640
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:09,680
Speaker 1: you're the best of this generation. That other generation is

1641
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:14,200
Speaker 1: right there. You can beat them and then retire. I'm like,

1642
01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:17,840
Speaker 1: you're right, That's what the goal is. That's what I

1643
01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:25,560
Speaker 1: wanted to do. I wanted Hawaiian Guy. It was I

1644
01:52:25,640 --> 01:52:29,439
Speaker 1: wanted to someone I wanted to I wanted to have

1645
01:52:29,720 --> 01:52:33,200
Speaker 1: my generation be the best of my generation and be

1646
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:37,400
Speaker 1: the best of the next generation coming. So that's why

1647
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:40,320
Speaker 1: I bought of Clisco. Let me ask your first, there's

1648
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:45,840
Speaker 1: gonna be super personal. Our Cubans, good boxers, Cubans from

1649
01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:51,320
Speaker 1: the Island, great box It's very important there actually to me.

1650
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:53,760
Speaker 1: To me, the Cuban boxes are the best boxes in

1651
01:52:53,840 --> 01:53:10,200
Speaker 1: the world. Cubans, I mean the Cubans. Woman, He said,

1652
01:53:10,240 --> 01:53:17,320
Speaker 1: the best listen to the best amateur fighters and right

1653
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:25,360
Speaker 1: before you hit se look at that. So they they focused,

1654
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:29,479
Speaker 1: they sacrificed, and they worked and that's what made them

1655
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:32,680
Speaker 1: the great amateur fighters of today. So what do they

1656
01:53:32,720 --> 01:53:35,280
Speaker 1: need to be beyond amateurs? Well, do you have to

1657
01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:40,040
Speaker 1: leave Cuban fighters don't turn pro because of the politics, right,

1658
01:53:40,200 --> 01:53:45,240
Speaker 1: because they're they're they're Cuban amateurs for life. They're not

1659
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Speaker 1: allowed to turn pro because the Cuban system doesn't allow

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Speaker 1: them to right against the government. Right, the great amateur

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Speaker 1: fighters normal for me are the Haitian asked me, correct,

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01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:07,680
Speaker 1: I mean they pushed towards the baseball, the sport that's

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Speaker 1: my father. Well, the ones that they could get out

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Speaker 1: of the country. I used to watch boxing with my father,

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Speaker 1: and I never knew they were like the became about you,

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Speaker 1: nib ever in New York's Cuban never but I know,

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01:54:26,160 --> 01:54:32,760
Speaker 1: I get out of the tremendous fighters. But then he

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Speaker 1: just said, now I understand what my property should watch

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Speaker 1: because guess what, they never turned the side of my ship.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna to signate to But wait, I got a question.

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01:54:44,120 --> 01:54:47,040
Speaker 1: I got a question listen, bro I don't have you

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Speaker 1: gotta be gloves. I sunked up. I want to wait

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Speaker 1: about stick a red Come on, come on? Asked me

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Speaker 1: what gloves? I love you? What gloves you loves champion? Yes,

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Speaker 1: they got different like Everlast because obviously Mohammad ali War

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Speaker 1: ever Last, that's mine. By the way, Sonny, don't play yourself. No, no,

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Speaker 1: give it to him to sign. Please, I would appreciate it. No,

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Speaker 1: but before we before we ended to have a have

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Speaker 1: questions for you, please ask me. I want to make

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Speaker 1: sure you had to take care of it. Can you

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01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:37,520
Speaker 1: sign that? Please? That sticker? Thank you? Okay, I mean yeah,

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Speaker 1: let us take us away before Sunny tried to option it, honeven,

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01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:51,880
Speaker 1: let sign it. I would get another way. I haven't

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Speaker 1: had to have two great questions. Have two great questions

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Speaker 1: you had? No, No, I have two questions. I take it.

1686
01:56:00,280 --> 01:56:11,840
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna get him intem Yeah. Yeah, don't you

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01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:16,320
Speaker 1: had him sign your face? Drink Chance Sports. Please, that's

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Speaker 1: a good one, Paul, that's a good one, right, drink

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Speaker 1: Chance Sports. And and my and my name is Paul Value.

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Speaker 1: But wait, the question is this last question? Is it? Please? Please?

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01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:37,440
Speaker 1: One more question? Take this opportunity to drink Chance Sports

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Speaker 1: to save this question. You went too far. You know.

1693
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say you won the Sports Personality of the

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01:56:43,600 --> 01:56:48,600
Speaker 1: Year at the same moment Muhammad Ali won Sports Century

1695
01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:52,080
Speaker 1: Sports Sports Century of the Year. How did you feel

1696
01:56:52,080 --> 01:56:54,600
Speaker 1: about that sharing that stage with him? I felt great.

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Speaker 1: I think it was an honor to be alongside with

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Speaker 1: my hero, with the person that actually got me involved

1699
01:57:03,640 --> 01:57:07,320
Speaker 1: in boxing. Everybody. He Yeah, it made me realize that yo,

1700
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Speaker 1: you know, this is a goal and how he actually

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Speaker 1: did his sing, So it was an honor being a

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01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:22,200
Speaker 1: part of that. That is excellent. The follow up question

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Speaker 1: would be you were on the song with Talip quality

1704
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:29,360
Speaker 1: rad dig an exhibit called you did You did? You

1705
01:57:29,480 --> 01:57:32,480
Speaker 1: did an intro to that song hip hop. I had

1706
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Speaker 1: to bring it to a hip hop stop. My stroke

1707
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Speaker 1: West is from Canada. Boom. He made a song about me.

1708
01:57:43,240 --> 01:57:46,000
Speaker 1: A couple of people made a song in history about me,

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01:57:46,720 --> 01:57:50,760
Speaker 1: you know, and please I respect everyone that made a

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Speaker 1: song about me because I respect that because a lot

1711
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:56,200
Speaker 1: of people don't know but you. But you intro that

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Speaker 1: song and I want to show it right here, go on, Ah,

1713
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Speaker 1: this is Lennox Lewis undisputed everywhere, chump, he's getting more

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Speaker 1: collectibles over here off the coast. You got my gloves. Gloves,

1715
01:58:18,520 --> 01:58:25,800
Speaker 1: He's like, are you gonna make an nst. Let's let

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01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:28,560
Speaker 1: me tell you something, man. Let's take you gotta finish

1717
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Speaker 1: your ship. Hold on and let's do another shot, and

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01:58:31,920 --> 01:58:36,000
Speaker 1: please take the smoke, Champs. Let me let me tell

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Speaker 1: you something, bro, Lennox. This is the first time I've

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Speaker 1: ever interviewed somebody. And when they said you're a gentleman

1721
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Speaker 1: and a scholar, he told you that I was so

1722
01:58:51,360 --> 01:58:58,520
Speaker 1: confused life. In life, you're a gentleman and your scholar

1723
01:58:59,480 --> 01:59:03,440
Speaker 1: and he's example. This is the first time in life

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Speaker 1: interviewed hung out hang out with what a gentleman and

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Speaker 1: a Scott Hold and if you want to know more

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Speaker 1: about me, watch my documentary. This is the Untold Story

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Speaker 1: by Lennox Lewis. Please watch it. You're be inspirated by

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Speaker 1: You know everybody's been watching Mohammad Ali, Mike Tyson, listen

1729
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Speaker 1: to them. Hold so let us take more time, yo, listen,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, Thanks for having thanks for coming

1731
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Speaker 1: through much and let me tell you something. A drink chance.

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Speaker 1: We love to show love to the people that deserve love,

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Speaker 1: and love is a little bit fliers, one of the motherfucker.

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