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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Exercise mom Missy Beavers stabbed dead with multiple puncture wounds

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Speaker 2: to the head and chest inside the local church. The

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Speaker 2: mom of three arrives around four a m. To teach

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Speaker 2: anaerobics class. Surveillance video actually catches her killer disguised in

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Speaker 2: full swat gear, and after watching the video, police suggest

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Speaker 2: the killer has an injured right foot. An unnamed male

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Speaker 2: colleague has his trash sifted through. But why Cops bring

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Speaker 2: in advance stingray equipment to capture the killer's cell phone data,

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Speaker 2: but still no arrest. Who killed exercise mom? Missy Beaver's

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Speaker 2: good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Fitness instructor. Missy Beaver's murdered in cold blood during the

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Speaker 3: early morning hours at Midlothian, Texas church.

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Speaker 4: The suspect captured on the Greeny surveillance video is still unidentified.

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Speaker 2: Wow, who killed Missy Beavers? After eight years, still no arrest.

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Speaker 5: First of all, listen to this first time surveillance captured

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Speaker 5: the suspect on video was about ten minutes before four am.

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Speaker 5: Miss Beavers arrived at about four sixteen in the parking

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Speaker 5: lot and entered the church immediately a few minutes later

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Speaker 5: she was inside the church, now realizing the intruder was

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Speaker 5: already inside, and shortly thereafter she was murdered inside.

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Speaker 1: Of the church.

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Speaker 2: Who is intent on committing a murder at four o'clock

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Speaker 2: in the morning? Who lay in wait for exercise mom?

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Speaker 2: Missy Beavers?

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Speaker 1: This could not have been random? Joining me an all

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Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of what we know right now.

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Speaker 1: But first to.

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Speaker 2: Scott Brooks as a publisher for the waksahachisun dot Com. Scott,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us bring us all up today.

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Speaker 2: For those that don't recall the murder on Missy Beavers,

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Speaker 2: what happened.

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Speaker 6: Well, early on a Monday morning corn down rain. Missy

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Speaker 6: was set up as usual to do her routines or

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Speaker 6: her class in a parking lot of a local church

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Speaker 6: on what is usually a busy highway between Waksahachim and

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Speaker 6: lok In, and given that it was raining, she went

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Speaker 6: inside to set up and that's when she was killed.

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Speaker 6: That was on early eighteenth, twenty sixteen. I was sure,

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Speaker 6: as the head of the local media company then that

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Speaker 6: whoever did it would be called within maybe hours or days.

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Speaker 6: But here we are eight years later and still completely unsolved.

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Speaker 6: As far as I'm concerned, it just continues to be

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Speaker 6: a bit of a cluster of a mess in terms

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Speaker 6: of solving this case.

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Speaker 1: That's one way to put it.

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Speaker 2: Over three thousand tips come in on Missy Beaver's murder.

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Speaker 2: She leaves home in the early morning hour, still dark outside,

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Speaker 2: and she sends out a group text telling everybody, Hey,

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Speaker 2: we're still exercising gladiator style this morning, even though it's raining.

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Speaker 1: We're moving our.

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Speaker 2: Class indoors, and she goes in around four point fifteen am.

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Speaker 1: To set up who in the hay is out in

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Speaker 1: the rain.

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Speaker 2: Entering that church waiting for Missy Beaver's Listen.

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Speaker 5: As you probably already know, this case weighs very heavily

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Speaker 5: on us, our investigative team, our department. We know that

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Speaker 5: the community is hurting as well well. Committee to identifying

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Speaker 5: the person A person's responsible for Missy's death.

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Speaker 7: We're not going to rest until we do so.

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Speaker 2: Joining us now In addition to Scott Brooks from the

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Speaker 2: Walks to Houchi's.

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Speaker 1: Son is Renee Jones.

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Speaker 2: Renee is Missy's dear friend and coworker.

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Speaker 1: Renee thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: As the days pass and Missy's case is still unsolved,

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Speaker 2: what goes through your mind?

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Speaker 8: You're constantly trying to figure out who did it? Was

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Speaker 8: the car involved? Are the resources that we have enough?

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Speaker 8: You look at the facts, and although the facts are there,

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Speaker 8: the evidence is not. We know, like you said, we

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Speaker 8: know what times you arrived, We know what time the

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Speaker 8: perpetrator was in the church. But what we don't know

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Speaker 8: is who is this person, how did they arrive, did

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Speaker 8: the ultimate at the Swafa have anything to do with it?

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Speaker 8: And how did they get away without even being seen?

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Speaker 2: So many of the facts were out there in the

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Speaker 2: first months following Missy's murder. For instance, we see the perpetrator, Renee,

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Speaker 2: we know it had to be targeted. Who else would

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Speaker 2: be in the Midlothian church at that time of the day,

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Speaker 2: dressed in this get up, obviously not looking for anything

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Speaker 2: nearly collide with Missy Beavers and then stab her dead.

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Speaker 2: It's so obvious to me, Renee, and we've looked at

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Speaker 2: all the usual suspects, many of them ruled out.

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Speaker 1: Who is this person? Renee? Do you believe it's a

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Speaker 1: man or a woman.

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Speaker 8: My gut kind of tells me it's a woman, and

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Speaker 8: I tend to rely on that a lot, but at

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Speaker 8: the end of the day, it could be men. You know,

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Speaker 8: it's really tough.

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Speaker 2: Joining us is forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,

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Speaker 2: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,

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Speaker 2: and star of a hit series podcast Bodybags with Joe

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Speaker 2: Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, you and I have poured over

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Speaker 2: the evidence in this case, and when you look at

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Speaker 2: the perp walking through the hall okay testing he she

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Speaker 2: doesn't even know what they're there for obviously, so they're

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Speaker 2: clearly not coming here to steal anything. I mean, who

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Speaker 2: singles out the creekside with Lothian Church at four o'clock

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Speaker 2: in the morning for Pete's sake. I guarantee you what

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Speaker 2: they're looking for. It's where is Missy Beaver's going to

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Speaker 2: have her indoor class. That's what they're looking for. But

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Speaker 2: the person is slew footed, in other words, without deviation.

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Speaker 2: The right foot goes outward with every step. We know

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Speaker 2: the height, we know the approximate weight, we know that

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Speaker 2: this type of murder is typically committed by a man.

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Speaker 1: We know it's got to be.

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Speaker 2: Somebody within that area or arranged by someone in that area.

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, what more can be done for Pete's sake?

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Speaker 9: I tell you this, the person that perpetrated this crime

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Speaker 9: had an awareness of that environment so much to the

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Speaker 9: point that they felt the need to cover their face,

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Speaker 9: so they knew that they would be in amongst cameras

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Speaker 9: with video surveillance. And here's another thing for me as

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Speaker 9: a former investigator, the idea of the timing. I don't

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Speaker 9: know about you, you know, but you know the idea

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Speaker 9: of getting up at this time of day lies kind

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Speaker 9: of outside the norm for most people, and that you

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Speaker 9: have to meet up there before she is arriving. So

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Speaker 9: this requires quite a bit of planning. I think that

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Speaker 9: that's rather obvious, and just to get this rig on

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Speaker 9: this person has, however they went about purchasing it. However

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Speaker 9: they went about acquiring it is going to be time

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Speaker 9: consuming as well. Did they do it out in the

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Speaker 9: parking lot? Did they do it at home, in the

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Speaker 9: safety of their home so that they could just hop

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Speaker 9: in the car and go. I think that those are

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Speaker 9: big indicators here, the.

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Speaker 2: Time of the day, even the weather outside suggests this

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Speaker 2: was a targeted murder.

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Speaker 10: Listen, mid Lothian, Texas is having some severe weather, not

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Speaker 10: severe enough to prevent mother of three, Missy Beavers, early

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Speaker 10: morning fitness class, as she posts on Facebook, if it's raining,

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Speaker 10: we're still training. No excuses, you are gladiators, Missy informed students.

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Speaker 10: Because of the rain, they will be training inside the

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Speaker 10: church rather than the parking lot.

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Speaker 2: To Scott Brooks, joining US president, publisher walks out, how

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Speaker 2: she's son, Scott, She was in the peak. She was

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Speaker 2: at the peak of her physical powers. When she says

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Speaker 2: gladiated class, she minute, do you see those biceps on her?

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Speaker 2: My point is she could fight back Scott Brooks.

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Speaker 7: Yes, there's no question about it.

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Speaker 6: Missy was known in our community or her gladiator work.

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Speaker 11: In addition to being a mom and I'm.

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Speaker 9: Just a good person.

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Speaker 6: She was a gladiator, as you just said, and took

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Speaker 6: this stuff really.

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Speaker 1: Serious, Scott Brooks. At the time.

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Speaker 2: Of course, at the time of a homicide, all the

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Speaker 2: dirty laundry comes out. Just because there may have been

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Speaker 2: marital issues does not mean the husband is guilty. As

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Speaker 2: a matter of fact, her husband was, as I recall,

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Speaker 2: on a gambling cruise with a group of his friends,

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Speaker 2: kind of a trip they did every year, which makes

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Speaker 2: me also think the killer knew the husband would be gone.

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Speaker 1: Of course, maybe did he plant? Did he hit?

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Speaker 7: Mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anything's possible, but no evidence that of that has

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Speaker 2: ever emerged, even though investigators have searched. Of course they

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Speaker 2: looked the husband, lover, boyfriend exs always the first suspect.

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Speaker 1: He was not in town or even in state.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just trying to figure out what your thoughts

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Speaker 2: are on the marital problems, because it opens up a

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Speaker 2: whole Pandora's box. If Missy Beavers had a boyfriend, did

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Speaker 2: the boyfriend's wife or girlfriend know?

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many avenues to investigate Scott.

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Speaker 6: The rumors have been from the absurd to the just

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Speaker 6: level of vicious, and I don't know any of those

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Speaker 6: to be true. I believe in what Brandon has shared

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Speaker 6: these years, and most recently two months ago in a

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Speaker 6: two part series interview with me, he continues to reinforce,

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Speaker 6: at least in my mind, that he has nothing to

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Speaker 6: do with Missy's murder, and both he and his father,

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Speaker 6: who was kind of dragged into this as a possible suspect.

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Speaker 6: His father was in San Diego at the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I recall that with the blood on the sure

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Speaker 2: to be shihuahuah blood or something like that, it was

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Speaker 2: not human blood.

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Speaker 1: Guys, you're right.

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Speaker 2: The husband was on a fishing trip, a trip he

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Speaker 2: took annually. Which makes me wonder was someone reading Missy

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Speaker 2: Beaver's text to say a boyfriend, an alleged boyfriend, because

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Speaker 2: I don't want to go down the road with dragging

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Speaker 2: her through the mud. But in a murder investigation All's

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Speaker 2: Fair Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, did someone read a

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Speaker 2: text or an email from Missy saying my husband's going

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Speaker 2: to be gone.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious and this is what we know. Back to you, Joe,

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Speaker 1: Scott and Morgan.

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Speaker 2: Hey, let me throw this to Tom Smith joining us,

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Speaker 2: former NYPD detective, co host of gold Shields podcast, and

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Speaker 2: you can find him at the gold Shields Show.

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Speaker 1: This is what we've learned.

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Speaker 2: Now we all know how the FBI can determine a

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Speaker 2: height and wait of purp caught on video. They look

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Speaker 2: go that doorway, they measure let's just say that fire

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Speaker 1: To your left.

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Speaker 2: They go there and they measure where the purp the

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Speaker 2: height of that fire extinguisher, and they can determine the

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Speaker 2: height of the purp standing beside it. See what I

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Speaker 2: mean right there. That's just one example. It's fairly easy

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Speaker 2: to do. It takes a minute, but we know the

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Speaker 2: killer is between five to two and five eight. They

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Speaker 2: predominantly walk slough footed with their toes pointed outward. Look,

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Speaker 2: they're not there to steal anything. Watch the gate watch

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Speaker 2: this purp. Man or woman, don't know so, Tom Smith,

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Speaker 2: you've watched this over and over and over.

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Speaker 12: My initial thought was that it was a male. And

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Speaker 12: then the more I looked at it, the more I

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Speaker 12: looked at certain traits that were going on in the video,

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Speaker 12: I am comfortable thinking it's a female because of just

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Speaker 11: I got another phone call from the scene from a

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Speaker 2: And I agree with Tom Smith, former NYPD the whole

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Speaker 1: So where does it leave us.

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Speaker 1: We now know Missy.

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Speaker 2: work on a relationship and when to walk away, Doctor Bethany,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. How many times have

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Speaker 1: Flip it. When you have a murder that is in

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Speaker 2: Affair, I find it really hard to believe that the

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Speaker 7: Perp for a second man or woman. We know that

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Speaker 7: so that narrows the pool just a little bit. Right there.

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Speaker 7: that the perk was probably not somebody who attended her

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, are you trying to sell me

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Speaker 1: And not connected to the love triangle.

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Speaker 7: No, I said the opposite. It's not somebody in her

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Speaker 1: How can you tell.

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Speaker 2: That they're garbed and you know they might as well

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Speaker 1: What is that. I don't know, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: This person just doesn't look like a paragon of health.

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Speaker 2: You know, Bethany, I respected you up until you said that,

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Speaker 2: because you're asking. You're telling me you don't think it's

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Speaker 1: Because somebody that's.

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Speaker 2: Totally swathed in a outfit, you can tell they're not fit.

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Speaker 2: You think everybody in an exercise class is fit. I

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Speaker 7: And Nancy, did you see pictures of Missy doing the

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Speaker 2: I did not expect your answer to be that what

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Speaker 2: I'm hearing. Renee Jones joining me, this is Missy Beaver's

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Speaker 8: And to be quite honest, Nancy, our training guidelines were

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Speaker 2: I find it really hard to believe, Renee that anyone

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Speaker 2: Is you know, a better way to put it, killed her.

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Speaker 2: I mean there may have been some jealousy or some

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Speaker 1: I don't see it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's the right direction.

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Speaker 2: Much has been made of the fact that Missy advertised

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Speaker 2: But remember we're talking about Middle Lothian, Texas with a

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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel.

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Speaker 2: Professor Forensics Jacksonville State University with an incredible criminal procedure

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Speaker 2: and forensic program. Joe Scott. Let's talk about the mode

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Speaker 2: of murder. Okay, multiple puncture wounds to the face, the head,

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Speaker 1: It would be a woman.

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Speaker 2: But the mode of murder, stabbing her in the face

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Speaker 9: This is an attempt I think at least to greatly

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Speaker 9: but these are punctures, which is completely different type of insult.

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Speaker 9: And what's fascinating about this is that this person goes

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Speaker 2: Okay, Scott Brooks, why are you saying screwdriver versus hammer?

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Speaker 2: Doctor Niarenburgh, thank you so much for being with us.

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Speaker 13: Well, thank you Nancy for having me.

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Speaker 2: How did you get involved in the Missy Beaver's murder investigation?

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Speaker 13: I think it was someone from the Midloleian Police Department

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Speaker 1: What happened, Doctor Derrenberg.

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Speaker 13: So I was called in to look at the gate

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Speaker 4: police SWAT tactical gear walking through the halls of the

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Speaker 4: church with an unusual gait while clutching a hammer. The

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Speaker 4: unknown person uses force to get into the church when

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Speaker 4: he is first seen on video about three point fifty am.

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Speaker 3: Fitness instructor Missy Beaver's murdered in cold blood during the

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Speaker 3: early morning hours at Midlothian, Texas church.

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Speaker 4: The suspect captured on the grainy surveillance video is still unidentified.

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Speaker 2: Joining our special guest, doctor Michael Nirrenberg. Doctor Niirreenberg was

446
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Speaker 2: brought in by police to assist with the FBI investigation.

447
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Speaker 2: The FBI showed doctor Niirrenberg video that has not been

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Speaker 2: released to the public, and it is very very disturbing. Infact,

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Speaker 2: it shows Missy inside the church, Doctor Niirreenberg, What does

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Speaker 2: the video you saw depict all?

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Speaker 13: The video was sent to me as far as I know,

452
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Speaker 13: and there was video of Missy arriving at the church,

453
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Speaker 13: setting up in the church. But the most emotional disturbing

454
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Speaker 13: part for me was where she stops doing what she's doing.

455
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Speaker 13: She walks into another hallway and you can see her

456
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Speaker 13: sort of like cock her head a little bit, almost

457
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Speaker 13: like she hears something, and she's sort of looking like,

458
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Speaker 13: what does she hear? She hears something, There's something that

459
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Speaker 13: stops her cold, and it's almost like, and I'm sure

460
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Speaker 13: people can relate to when you're watching those horror films

461
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Speaker 13: and you want to yell at the screen, you know,

462
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Speaker 13: get out of the house because sadly we know what's coming,

463
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Speaker 13: you know.

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Speaker 2: Tom Smith joining me, former NYPD detective and host of

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Speaker 2: Goldshield's podcast. We spend so much time talking about the

466
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Speaker 2: evidence and the facts and the clues. But do you

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Speaker 2: hear what doctor Michael Nierenberg is saying that there is

468
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Speaker 2: additional video that he has seen that shows Missy inside

469
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Speaker 2: the church preparing for the class, and you see her

470
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Speaker 2: look like she hears something, and she does she's hearing

471
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Speaker 2: her killer. We very rarely think about what she went

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Speaker 2: through in the moments leading up to her murder.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it's disturbing and it's sad, but that goes to

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Speaker 12: the setup, like I was talking about, for you know,

475
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Speaker 12: everything's laid out to show or to give the appearance

476
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Speaker 12: of a break in, and maybe the perpetrator made a

477
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Speaker 12: sound to get her attention to come in that direction

478
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Speaker 12: and then did what they had planned to do the

479
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Speaker 12: whole time.

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Speaker 2: Banks to doctor Michael Niermerg joining us a physician and

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Speaker 2: surgeon forensic cadiatrist that was brought in on the Missy

482
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Speaker 2: Beaver's murder investigation. Doctor Niermerg, you're telling me that the

483
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Speaker 2: additional video that has not been released to the public

484
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Speaker 2: shows Missy and the church preparing for her class.

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Speaker 1: What room is she in?

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Speaker 13: I do recall as where she walks out into the

487
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Speaker 13: hall and she starts walking down the hall and she

488
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Speaker 13: stops and you can see her like looking listening. You know,

489
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Speaker 13: she hears something, and you know, as a forensic scientist,

490
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Speaker 13: what we do is very dry, and it just brings

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Speaker 13: it home at the end of the day, that these

492
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Speaker 13: crimes are about, you know, people and what they experience,

493
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Speaker 13: and what your prior guest said. I actually took it

494
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Speaker 13: the other way that maybe I've often thought that maybe

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Speaker 13: the perpetrator was making noise because they did not think

496
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Speaker 13: anybody else was in the church. That was my not

497
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Speaker 13: as a forensic pediatrist, but just as a person thinking

498
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Speaker 13: about the case over the years. I actually thought the reverse,

499
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Speaker 13: that he was making he or she was making noise

500
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Speaker 13: because they just didn't think anybody was there, and somehow

501
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Speaker 13: they got surprised by her finding them.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps curious, Is it true the FBI asked you to

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Speaker 2: study the video of the suspect and you actually had

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Speaker 2: an officer reenact what happened with and without the swat

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Speaker 2: suit or the body armor.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 13: So what I did when I first got the cases,

508
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Speaker 13: I went to my local police station. I'm out here

509
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Speaker 13: in northwest Indiana, in a small towns and I went

510
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Speaker 13: to the police station and I had a They agreed

511
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Speaker 13: to help, and the police officer who trains with SWAK

512
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 13: gear once a month, I videotaped him and took photos

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Speaker 13: of him walking with and without the police gear and

514
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 13: so so I and I actually put the gear on

515
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Speaker 13: myself at one point just to feel the weight of it,

516
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Speaker 13: and it was it was somewhat heavy. I forget the

517
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Speaker 13: exact weight of this gear, but I think it was

518
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Speaker 13: about forty pounds. And I remember that that that the

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Speaker 13: photos of him with him without it actually showed him

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Speaker 13: him shorter with with the with the gear. When he

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Speaker 13: was wearing the gear, it actually shortened his height.

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Speaker 1: Question.

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Speaker 2: I call it solu footed, some people call it duckfoot.

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Speaker 2: What percentage are a population is.

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Speaker 13: Well there well, and what I call it is is

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Speaker 13: out toeing. So when you're looking at out toe amount

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Speaker 13: of the population, there's varying degrees of out toowed out towing.

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Speaker 13: And what's interesting here is when we look at gates,

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Speaker 13: some people only out toe when their feet are land

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Speaker 13: on the ground. Some people out toe as their foot

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Speaker 13: swings through the air, suggesting that the whole leg and

532
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Speaker 13: knee are turned outward through the swing. And if if

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Speaker 13: you look here through the swing, not just when the

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Speaker 13: feet are on the ground. Uh, there there's out towing

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Speaker 13: to a to a significant degree. You know, usually you

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Speaker 13: see in most of the population we were out towed

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Speaker 13: about maybe ten degrees approximately or so. So here you're

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Speaker 13: seeing significant out toeing, and not just when their feet

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Speaker 13: are on the ground, but when they swing that leg forward.

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Speaker 13: You know, you look at the knee, you look, you

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Speaker 13: look at the the the arms, the head is hanging

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Speaker 13: slightly tilted. The head is slightly forward, not directly back

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Speaker 13: over the shoulders. One knee is stays pretty much bent

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Speaker 13: to a small degree. It doesn't completely straighten the other

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Speaker 13: the other knee straighter.

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace got a question for you,

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Speaker 2: doctor in Nirenberg. Isn't it true that as you say,

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Speaker 2: out toeing, as I say, slew footed typically manifests when

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Speaker 2: someone is younger, like a toddler up to adolescent. You

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Speaker 2: don't develop that gate later in life.

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Speaker 1: Do you.

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Speaker 13: That's a great question, Nancy, And most people are out

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Speaker 13: told due to like you said, genetics, heredity, but other

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Speaker 13: things can happen. You can have a you can develop arthritis.

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Speaker 13: You can have an injury to your knee, your hip,

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Speaker 13: your back.

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Speaker 2: The majority of slew footed individuals have it as a youth,

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Speaker 2: a toddler to ten years. It developed somewhere in that time.

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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: The majority?

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Speaker 13: I would I would say without researching it as a

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Speaker 13: as a estimate in my experience, the majority of people

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Speaker 13: it's when they're young this develops and then it stays

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Speaker 13: with them.

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Speaker 1: So okay, got it. So my point is doctor to

566
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Speaker 1: just bring it home.

567
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Speaker 2: Is that whoever this is likely is wont like this

568
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Speaker 2: since they were a toddler, and therefore people around them

569
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Speaker 2: know they want like this. Like I spot my husband's

570
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: gate a mile away, I don't have to see his face.

571
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: I know it's him. Same with my son, same with

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Speaker 2: my daughter. By the way she holds her arms when

573
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Speaker 2: she walks.

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Speaker 1: You know this person, but no one is coming forward.

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Speaker 2: This is someone in Missy's circle, someone that is connected

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Speaker 2: to her or someone she's involved with, who killed Missy

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00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: Beaver's to Scott Brooks, joining US President publisher walks a

578
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Speaker 2: Hoachie's son.

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Speaker 1: Does it just burn you up? Does it bother you

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Speaker 1: that somebody has to know who this purp is?

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Speaker 2: Someone that is connected to Missy Beaver's, to her exercise class. No,

582
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 2: not that, No, it's someone more connected to her. This

583
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Speaker 2: is not a robbery gone wrong. Typically, when burglars are

584
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Speaker 2: found out, they run, they leave, they don't grab a

585
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: screwdriver and murder the witness. Plus, this purp was completely swathed.

586
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: There's no way she would have recognized them. Are they

587
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 2: wearing like a motorcycle helmet?

588
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Speaker 10: Yes?

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Speaker 6: And to answer your first question, for eight years, I

590
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 6: have been I wouldn't say obsessed, but I've certainly made

591
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Speaker 6: a commitment to Missy's family or girls, or a husband

592
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Speaker 6: or former husband that we weren't going to stop as

593
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Speaker 6: a media company, making sure that we kept this thing alive,

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Speaker 6: so to speak, and that we have somebody in our community,

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Speaker 6: in my opinion, on the loose free who did this

596
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Speaker 6: heinous thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, hey, back it up, Scott Brooks, he said,

598
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Speaker 2: somebody in the community.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I do not think that this

600
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Speaker 1: was a hired.

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Speaker 2: Hit from you know, you didn't have the scorpion come

602
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 2: in from Columbia to kill Missy Beavers.

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Speaker 1: That's right, man, Someone in this.

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Speaker 2: Community, in this region and did this thing, and for

605
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Speaker 2: all these years Dr Bethany Marshall, they have sat back

606
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Speaker 2: and enjoyed watching us try and figure it out and

607
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: buy God, somehow we've got to get this killer, Bethany,

608
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: how happy do you think they are watching us try

609
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Speaker 2: to catch them, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: Every time this crime gets covered, they get to live

611
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Speaker 7: and relive the excitement of the crime. This person enjoyed this,

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Speaker 7: As Joskone Morgan said, this was a very intimate, intimate attack.

613
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Speaker 7: It was full of rage, it was full of passion.

614
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Speaker 7: So this person is hiding in plain sight probably looks

615
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Speaker 7: sort of passive and slick and sort of harmless to

616
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Speaker 7: the community. But the community you need to take a

617
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Speaker 7: good look around and see, you know, if there's a

618
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Speaker 7: family member or somebody that they know who's preoccupied with

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Speaker 7: the crime, because that could be a big clue. If

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Speaker 7: somebody keeps collecting data and watching and rewatching shows and interviews,

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Speaker 7: that suggests that there's still relishing in the act.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, you know what, and anybody on the panel

623
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Speaker 2: jump in if you watch this person.

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Speaker 1: But when they pause, they're not making a.

625
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: Real effort to get any of the into any of

626
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: these doors that are locked. They're like on the on

627
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 2: the handle and they move on, but at one point

628
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Speaker 2: they pause. There's one point where the practically puts her

629
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Speaker 2: hand on our hips.

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Speaker 1: I can practically see her bikini bod.

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Speaker 7: I can too. Yeah, you have a really good point.

632
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Speaker 7: But also a woman who has masculine traits, So, as

633
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Speaker 7: I said earlier, that can narrow the pool somewhat. Maybe

634
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Speaker 7: somebody who's non binary.

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Speaker 1: Is actually giving me a headache.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Nirenberg, Scott Brooks, Joe Scott, Tom Smith, doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 1: We have lived this case.

638
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,479
Speaker 2: And it is burning me up that we have all

639
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: this knowledge, but we still don't have an answer for

640
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: anyone that knows or thinks that they know any information

641
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: regarding the brutal murder, the puncture murder of Missy Beavers.

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00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 2: I ask you to please dial the Middle Lothian PD

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00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 2: nine seven two seven seven five seven six two four

644
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Speaker 2: repeat nine seven two seven seven five seven six two

645
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Speaker 2: four and trust me, it is never wrong to do

646
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: the right thing. There is a one hundred and fifty

647
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: thousand dollars reward, and it's never too late to do

648
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Speaker 2: the right thing. Nancy Gray signing off, good night friend,