Speaker 1: This series includes sensitive and potentially distressing topics, including sexual
Speaker 1: assault and abuse involving children. Listener discretion is advised. Yeah.
Speaker 1: On November twenty second, nineteen ninety five, one hundred named
Speaker 1: Peter Erickson walked the woods of Carmel, New York, fifty
Speaker 1: or so yards in from Fields Lane. He was out
Speaker 1: there that morning with a buddy of his named Bruce.
Speaker 1: It was the first day of a hunting season in
Speaker 1: Putnam County, and the two friends were setting up a
Speaker 1: tree stand that morning. That's the perch that hunters hide
Speaker 1: and waiting for a deer.
Speaker 2: My buddy was down below. He's afrae to heights, so
Speaker 2: he was handing me stuff and I was up in
Speaker 2: this tree and all of a sudden, I look out
Speaker 2: in the road and there's like twenty cop cars pull up,
Speaker 2: you know, all at once, and then they start walking
Speaker 2: into the woods, and you're like, what is going on here?
Speaker 1: The Cormillson County seat of Putnam, it's still a pretty
Speaker 1: small town enough so that Peter knew some of the
Speaker 1: cops who swarmed the woods that morning.
Speaker 2: I recognized a few of them, one of them pat.
Speaker 2: His name was Pacistaldo.
Speaker 1: Pacstaldo a detective for the Putnam County Sheriff. Was straight
Speaker 1: out of a drugstore novel. He slicked his hair back
Speaker 1: in a tight pompadour and wore a top coat even
Speaker 1: when it was warm. Oh and he moonlighted on weekends
Speaker 1: as an Elvis impersonator at several of the local dives.
Speaker 2: The guy kind of looked like Elvis a little bit,
Speaker 2: But that's why he was so memorable to me. It
Speaker 2: wasn't my friend. I was like an acquaintance that we
Speaker 2: knew from working there in the jail periodically doing electrical work.
Speaker 2: So as they were coming in, I say, hey, bye,
Speaker 2: a you doing what's going on? And he goes, well,
Speaker 2: somebody found something in the woods.
Speaker 1: Earlier that morning, another hunter had stumbled over something in
Speaker 1: those woods. He bent to check it out. It was
Speaker 1: the skull of a preteen girl.
Speaker 2: He had found that skull, took it home, took it home.
Speaker 1: Later that day, the hunter called the cops. And now,
Speaker 1: as Costalgo had told Peter and Bruce, he was out
Speaker 1: there looking for her body.
Speaker 2: So we're like, no way. You know, this is Putnam County.
Speaker 2: Back then it was a quieter town. You don't to
Speaker 2: hear this stuff here. So my friend Bruce and I said,
Speaker 2: do you mind if we kind of look around and
Speaker 2: help you. So he goes, uh, yeah, no problem.
Speaker 1: Cops rarely let civilians walk their crime scene. According to Peter, though,
Speaker 1: that's what happened here.
Speaker 2: So I'm walking look in and my buddy Bruce goes, hey,
Speaker 2: come over here.
Speaker 1: Castaldo and the other cops rushed over to Bruce. He
Speaker 1: was crouched in the clearing between the trees, over a
Speaker 1: mound of sticks and leaves that looked composed. He lifted
Speaker 1: one of the branches and a chunk of the ground
Speaker 1: cover came up. He saw something underneath it.
Speaker 2: It was her skeleton. There's a tremendous amount of debris
Speaker 2: as well. I mean, you see the skeleton, but it's
Speaker 2: not like this bright white thing that's sticking out in
Speaker 2: the woods. There was a mandible the lower part of
Speaker 2: the jaw, and her moram was tied in the mandible
Speaker 2: was sitting on the ground. There was hair there. You
Speaker 2: could see there was hair there, dirty blonde like hair
Speaker 2: just laying there in the leaves. It was the rib cage.
Speaker 2: It looked like it's kind of sick. I mean, it
Speaker 2: looked like the rib cage was mostly intact. The skeleton
Speaker 2: was small too. It was a small skeleton. It was horrible.
Speaker 1: The body belonged to a twelve year old girl. A
Speaker 1: girl had gone missing a full year prior. Her name
Speaker 1: was Josette Right and it was Costaldo they put in
Speaker 1: charge of finding her. The cops taped the site off
Speaker 1: and gathered forensics. They were clothes draped over the body,
Speaker 1: including the coach she was last seen wearing. It was
Speaker 1: badly moldered, with plant where its growing through it. Her
Speaker 1: broad been tied around her head. Forensics pros would later
Speaker 1: say that it had been used to gagger, along with
Speaker 1: her underwear, which had been stuffed in her mouth. Her
Speaker 1: hands were bound in a complex odd tie. A sash
Speaker 1: cord ran from her wrist to both her neck and ankle,
Speaker 1: yanking her right foot back behind her and not far
Speaker 1: from her body, cops found a hunting knife rusted in
Speaker 1: the damp. I'm Paul Salatarov and for thirty three years
Speaker 1: I've written for Rolling Stone magazine. I go after racist
Speaker 1: cops who shoot and kill on her black kids. I
Speaker 1: investigate me on Nazi's bent on genocide in Virginia and
Speaker 1: social media tech layds who look the other way while
Speaker 1: the cartel's poisoned children on their platforms. Now, when you
Speaker 1: write those kinds of stories, one after another, you build
Speaker 1: a layer of callous around your heart. But this story
Speaker 1: is pierced the skin and will not give me peace.
Speaker 1: I keep hearing the voices of girls who'd warned the
Speaker 1: cops about a demon, a hundred of girls hiding in
Speaker 1: the woods. And I keep hearing the voice of that
Speaker 1: demon in the woods, a voice that's still in my
Speaker 1: head five years later. You'll soon meet him in this season.
Speaker 1: In fact, he's lurking here in this episode. New My madness, laughter,
Speaker 1: my fears, sorrows, depths are endless.
Speaker 3: In this.
Speaker 4: Valley of the years. I want to see your revelation.
Speaker 3: Now, want to know.
Speaker 5: I'm reading out desperate shne to the one who's holding
Speaker 5: the stars, to the.
Speaker 4: One who is holding holding the stars.
Speaker 6: This is the Devil's quarry.
Speaker 7: I was in the group homing Caramel. I'd say we
Speaker 7: were pretty tight with the crew that was there. You know,
Speaker 7: we all came from different backgrounds. We were all kind
Speaker 7: of there for same reasons, but for different.
Speaker 1: Rachel was seven or eight when her mom's new boyfriend
Speaker 1: crashed into their lives. Within weeks, he was abusing both
Speaker 1: Rachel and her mom. It's why she landed in the
Speaker 1: group home a few years later. That home was known
Speaker 1: as Saint Cabrini, and it proved to be a blessing
Speaker 1: for Rachel.
Speaker 7: When it came to Carmel, it was like kind of
Speaker 7: a clean slate for me.
Speaker 1: Cabrini was a haven for the yanked out girls of
Speaker 1: Putnam County, the ones who had been abused by man
Speaker 1: in their house were ignored by their drug distracted mother.
Speaker 1: They ranged an age from eleven to eighteen, but looked
Speaker 1: out for each other. Like sisters. Rachel and the others
Speaker 1: loved to hang on the big stone porch out front,
Speaker 1: smoking menthols with the boys who stopped by. That porch
Speaker 1: is where she first met Josett. Right.
Speaker 7: She was an average ten eleven year old. You know,
Speaker 7: she had long blonde hair.
Speaker 1: Rachel is one of the first people that Putnam cop
Speaker 1: spoke to after Josette's body was found. Rachel, by the way,
Speaker 1: is a pseudonym. You'll see why she needs one soon enough.
Speaker 1: As it happened, she was classmates with Josette's sister, who
Speaker 1: was four years older than Josette. Their house was the
Speaker 1: Hank Spot on weekday afternoons.
Speaker 7: It was the house to go to, you know, it
Speaker 7: was the party house. It was a place where kids
Speaker 7: went to hang out to get drunk. There was people
Speaker 7: there all the time.
Speaker 1: Well, hanging at that house. She met Josette's mom, Susan,
Speaker 1: and spent time with her boyfriend, Freddie. Freddie wore a ponytail,
Speaker 1: was missing three front teeth, and had a nasty scar
Speaker 1: under his lip.
Speaker 7: He was very free spirited, I guess want to say.
Speaker 7: You know, he spent a lot of his life in jail,
Speaker 7: and he was very for his age, kind of sure.
Speaker 1: The house was the sort of place where the adults
Speaker 1: often behaved like teens instead of authority figures. They partied
Speaker 1: just as hard as the kids they were raising, shared
Speaker 1: their beer and Newports with him, and brought around men
Speaker 1: like Freddy. How did Freddy support himself?
Speaker 7: I think he did odd jobs. I think he was
Speaker 7: a carpenter. He did do carpentry work. He also said
Speaker 7: he was a reverend.
Speaker 1: Did Freddie strike you as religious?
Speaker 7: No, you he wasn't godly at all. You're covered in
Speaker 7: tattoos and you know I remember them being on his
Speaker 7: arms and they were like jelhouse tattoos, So you know,
Speaker 7: like the tattoos that after years they just looked like blah.
Speaker 7: That's kind of like how I remember his tattoos being
Speaker 7: like some you can't even make out exactly. He tell
Speaker 7: you it was a horse, and you're like, what.
Speaker 1: The Buttnam cops took a run at Freddy after Joe
Speaker 1: said his body was found. His mug shots are in
Speaker 1: the case file, as well as pages of handwritten notes
Speaker 1: about him. One of those pages describes his jail house
Speaker 1: tats and that wasn't all worse on Freddy's forearm. It
Speaker 1: was a circle of clansmen burning crosses. And there's another
Speaker 1: note in that file apparently Freddie had founded a white
Speaker 1: supremacist gang while in prison. There's also a number of
Speaker 1: people said that Freddy held neo Nazi hughes.
Speaker 7: Well maybe that's what he was a reverend in.
Speaker 1: I couldn't corroborate that Freddy was ordained in anything, but
Speaker 1: it was easy enough to confirm that he'd done a
Speaker 1: serious stretch in prison. Do you know what he went
Speaker 1: to prison for?
Speaker 7: I honestly killing a man for killing him man, I
Speaker 7: want to say killing a man.
Speaker 1: There aren't any murders on Freddie's sheet, at least none
Speaker 1: I could find, and there aren't any details on his
Speaker 1: egg evaded assaults the counts that sent him to prison.
Speaker 1: But there are statements in that file from Josette's friends.
Speaker 1: They said Freddie often called Josette nasty names, and one
Speaker 1: of them said he slapped her hard in the face
Speaker 1: after she asked him for pizza money.
Speaker 7: I know that she didn't like Freddy.
Speaker 1: Josett's dad was in California and been out of the
Speaker 1: picture for years. Her mom worked two jobs to support
Speaker 1: three school age kids and often left Josette to her
Speaker 1: own devices.
Speaker 7: She wanted to be seen, and her mom probably was
Speaker 7: the person she needed to be seen by.
Speaker 1: To keep herself busy, Josette wandered the streets. She was
Speaker 1: constantly seen walking the town at all hours alone, from
Speaker 1: the age of ten. Carmel, New York, is a town
Speaker 1: surrounded on four sides by the lakes of the Hudson Valley.
Speaker 1: It's an hour or so from midtown Manhattan, as one
Speaker 1: of the more well off towns in Putnam County, but
Speaker 1: Carmel isn't a suburb for CFOs. It's where cops and
Speaker 1: firemen move their families. In the White Fleck Panic of
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies, they built their homes on banks of
Speaker 1: Lake Carmel, and it advertently fouled the waters with the
Speaker 1: runoff from their cheap septic tanks. I've spoken to a
Speaker 1: number of locals who swam the lake as kids. They
Speaker 1: tell me they'd come down with weird sinus problems or
Speaker 1: gastric flare ups that hung on for a week after
Speaker 1: they took a dip. Still, you can certainly find beauty
Speaker 1: on Carmel. There's the post guard, perfect town square with
Speaker 1: its quaint old courthouse and banners hanging from lampposts to
Speaker 1: the Sons who went to War. They're twisty roads up
Speaker 1: dense green hills where lakeviews sparkle between the trees. But
Speaker 1: drive the main drag in either direction, you'll pass strip
Speaker 1: malls with down her shuttered stores. From the first time
Speaker 1: I walked here, I had the sense I was being watched.
Speaker 1: There's a vibe here you don't get in the posher
Speaker 1: towns west of Carmel, a deep going suspicion of strangers.
Speaker 1: A mile up the hill from carmel'stown square stands the
Speaker 1: house where Josette lived. On her walk down that hill,
Speaker 1: she'd passed the girls home.
Speaker 7: On her left, she walked by the group home a lot.
Speaker 7: We were like a pit stop. I guess I think
Speaker 7: that's how we ended up starting to talk to her,
Speaker 7: and she became like talking to all the group home girls.
Speaker 1: Having seen firsthand what her home life was like, Rachel
Speaker 1: got why that group home was Josette's pit stop.
Speaker 7: It gave her something to do. She wasn't just walking
Speaker 7: around aimlessly, or she wasn't, you know, by herself.
Speaker 1: Something the lost girl herself. Rachel felt for Josette became
Speaker 1: a kind of a big sister to her. She made
Speaker 1: time for at the group home and bought her snacks
Speaker 1: at the deli. The two of them formed a bond
Speaker 1: that deepened the following year. When Rachel left Cabrini and
Speaker 1: moved back home, her mom would rented an apartment in Carmel,
Speaker 1: a ten minute walk from the group home. Within weeks,
Speaker 1: if not days, Josette showed up there.
Speaker 7: She spent a lot of time with my mom as well.
Speaker 7: My mama taught her how to crochet and just you know,
Speaker 7: passing the time together. My mom would make everything like potholders, napkins, blankets, scarves,
Speaker 7: you know, like she would make everything. But I remember
Speaker 7: her just teaching her, how do you like just do
Speaker 7: a single stitch, or to do a little box.
Speaker 1: And they'd sit at a table together.
Speaker 7: My mom never sat at a table show. We sat
Speaker 7: on the floor, so they'd probably sit on the floor.
Speaker 1: After a while. Josette was over there all the time.
Speaker 7: She was a part of the household and you know,
Speaker 7: eating dinners together and things like that. Yeah, she belonged.
Speaker 7: She was very energetic, she was very loving, she was
Speaker 7: very kind. I don't know why I think of a horse,
Speaker 7: but she was very a gentile person, you know, was
Speaker 7: just looking in the pastor looking to belong somewhere and
Speaker 7: and feel like she did.
Speaker 1: But several months later, in the summer of ninety four,
Speaker 1: Rachel and her family decided to move to Pauling, half
Speaker 1: hour drive from Carmel. The day they finished packing, Josette
Speaker 1: showed up at their front door.
Speaker 7: She was there as we were leaving, and I remember
Speaker 7: her saying, just take me. They won't even notice I'm gone.
Speaker 7: I was like, we can't, we can't take you. I
Speaker 7: told her that she couldn't come with us. She was crying.
Speaker 7: I think we both were should have just taken her,
Speaker 7: you know. It crusted me. I worried about her. They're
Speaker 7: worried about her.
Speaker 1: After she moved away, Rachel lost touch with Josette. Then
Speaker 1: four months after she left, Rachel got news from her
Speaker 1: mother Josette had gone missing. Just vanished. October third, nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four. It was the last day Josette was seen
Speaker 1: in Carmel. She stepped off a square wool bus in
Speaker 1: front of her small ranch house at three o'clock that afternoon.
Speaker 1: The house, per usual, was packed with teens, Josette's two
Speaker 1: older sisters, their friends. Putnam detectives would later interview those teens.
Speaker 1: One said Josette had argued with her sister, Chloe before
Speaker 1: walking out of the house. Josette, she said, admired Chloe
Speaker 1: and tried to mix in with her click, but the
Speaker 1: older girls would have none of it. That day, nasty
Speaker 1: words were exchanged, according to those teens. Josette called her mom,
Speaker 1: saying she was going over to a friend's house. Then
Speaker 1: she went to the basement and made a second call.
Speaker 1: She briefly left the house and stood on the porch
Speaker 1: waiting there in her thin brown jacket. When no one
Speaker 1: showed up, she went back in the house. There she
Speaker 1: did a very odd thing. She went up to her sister, Shelley,
Speaker 1: stood in front of her staring, then said goodbye and left.
Speaker 1: At three forty five, she went walking down the hill,
Speaker 1: headed toward the shops downtown. That night, when she didn't
Speaker 1: come home for dinner, her mom, Susan, called around to
Speaker 1: Josette's friends and knocked on the doors of their houses.
Speaker 1: None of them had seen her since school let out,
Speaker 1: so Susan asked her daughters if she should call the cops.
Speaker 1: Her oldest girl, Shelley, nixed the idea, seeing the cops
Speaker 1: do nothing till forty eight hours passed. Nonetheless, Susan called
Speaker 1: the next morning when there was still no sign up Josette.
Speaker 1: Ba Castaldo, the Ovis impersonating detective, was a sign to
Speaker 1: find Josette, but he had no training in missing person searches.
Speaker 1: He'd spent the bulk of his career as a deputy
Speaker 1: and detective in a narcotic squad, so with no leads
Speaker 1: to go on, he focused on the town's drug dealers,
Speaker 1: starting with Anthony to Pippo.
Speaker 3: I would not really argue that I was a successful
Speaker 3: drug dealer. I wouldn't even argue that I broke even
Speaker 3: you know, I covered some costs, but mostly ingested more
Speaker 3: than I was ever intent.
Speaker 1: Anthony was all of eighteen when Josette Wright went missing,
Speaker 1: at six or five and two hundred and thirty pounds.
Speaker 1: He walked and talked like an underground wrestler, which was
Speaker 1: exactly the sort of vibe he was going for. He
Speaker 1: and his boys got up the crazy stuff together. They
Speaker 1: stayed many WrestleMania's in their yards, breaking chairs and tube
Speaker 1: lights over each other's skulls. They ditched class to get
Speaker 1: high and sell we to their classmates, and any money
Speaker 1: Anthony made never amounted him much was used to fund
Speaker 1: his rave trips to the city.
Speaker 3: You know the music like pop and then they would
Speaker 3: have these laser lights and these smoke machines. You got
Speaker 3: five thousand kids and they're just in there in half
Speaker 3: of them don't even know they're there, and the other
Speaker 3: half are just dancing until they drop.
Speaker 1: And his buddies would walk the South Bronx at night,
Speaker 1: the cop weed, an angel dust and dance still gone
Speaker 1: at the Raves and Chelsea clubs.
Speaker 3: So like the city ones are early the best ones,
Speaker 3: and it's like just it's it's it's an experience, you know.
Speaker 1: I they drive home with carmel high off their heads,
Speaker 1: seem two of everything, including the Cross County Parkway.
Speaker 3: Listening to the music on the way there, listening to
Speaker 3: music on the way back. We're driving our vehicle smoking
Speaker 3: space base. Now we're mixing the crack and the dust
Speaker 3: and off the cloud.
Speaker 1: Night in a town with a little or no violent crime,
Speaker 1: Anthony had his run ins.
Speaker 6: With the cops.
Speaker 3: My first real encounter with the cops was saw it
Speaker 3: was criminal mischief. I threw a metal garbage can at
Speaker 3: the window of a Metro North train and then the
Speaker 3: cops all of a sudden came and they started running
Speaker 3: after us, and so I ran and I got in
Speaker 3: the woods and they were bringing the dog, Rebel, the canine.
Speaker 3: So I'm like fox, I tried to bury myself in
Speaker 3: these leaves, and I'm like, the fucking dog comes right
Speaker 3: up there, she finds me, like you got me. It
Speaker 3: takes me into jail, and it felt like, you know,
Speaker 3: it felt kind of like a badge of honor that
Speaker 3: was crazy. I had just shaved the sides of my
Speaker 3: head and I had all this leaf particles on it,
Speaker 3: and I was itchy, and I guess I probably ran
Speaker 3: into some poison, ivy or something. I would love to
Speaker 3: have all of my mug shots back.
Speaker 1: You could say Anthony had a rep around too.
Speaker 2: They stood out based on their clothes and actually this
Speaker 2: was probably cutting edge at that time to have them
Speaker 2: bag you know, hanging you know, your butt hanging out.
Speaker 2: They looked exactly like unsavories.
Speaker 1: That's Peter Erickson again, he's one of the hunters who
Speaker 1: was in the woods today Joseid's bones were found. You
Speaker 1: remember seeing Anthony and his boys around town.
Speaker 2: They had that type of look like they were the
Speaker 2: type of kids that were selling drugs at school kids
Speaker 2: as they were walking up from the school of the Delhi.
Speaker 2: Not kids i'd want my.
Speaker 1: Daughter to come home with.
Speaker 2: And I would assume at that time a lot of
Speaker 2: people had that same opinion.
Speaker 7: You couldn't you couldn't miss Anthony. He's huge. I'm sure
Speaker 7: they like stereotyped him to be a thug or you know,
Speaker 7: a hood rat, or however you want to call him.
Speaker 7: But yet he was always soft spoken, you know, like
Speaker 7: he's he was this big guy, but yet so teddy bears.
Speaker 1: Rachel got to know Anthony on that group home porch
Speaker 1: he dropped out of with a dozen or so girls
Speaker 1: who lived there.
Speaker 3: Saint Cobrini's group homeer was on Seminary Hill Road. We'd
Speaker 3: hang we'd hang out and talk and you know, sometimes
Speaker 3: we'd sneak off a little bit and smoke.
Speaker 1: Or make out whatever. And from a young guy.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of young girls, it's like, you know, hey,
Speaker 3: you don't know, you don't want to smoke pot?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were already having pot problems, so that's.
Speaker 3: What we did.
Speaker 1: Anthony was often there with his best friend Andy. Andy
Speaker 1: was a lot smaller than Anthony, maybe five seven in boots,
Speaker 1: but had a short king's confidence around girls around guys.
Speaker 1: Though he had a quick, fused temper, Andy.
Speaker 7: He was more of the well, what you know, I'm
Speaker 7: not I'm not trying to you know, like but if
Speaker 7: if you had a problem with him, he wanted to
Speaker 7: know why. And I remember Anthony and Andy with this big.
Speaker 8: Old juke box, you know, like they would just be
Speaker 8: doing nothing and get blamed for something like something just
Speaker 8: as walking up and down a hill with a jukebox,
Speaker 8: you know, like Watery Order.
Speaker 1: Or Detective Nostaldo suspected Anthony was more than just a
Speaker 1: two bit dealer. Anthony found that out one cold winter morning,
Speaker 1: three months after Jezz had disappeared.
Speaker 3: I'm walking down three on one.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Three on one is a road that goes to Cold Spring.
Speaker 3: It's a long road. I didn't have my license yet.
Speaker 3: I just had a permit, and I didn't have a car.
Speaker 1: He's walking home from a girlfriend's house where he just
Speaker 1: spent the night. Now, if you ask him, Anthony was
Speaker 1: a player in the day. He says he kept a
Speaker 1: notebook with the numbers of three hundred girls, but he
Speaker 1: either didn't have it on him that day or none
Speaker 1: of those girls would feel his calls. Courthouse.
Speaker 3: I'm walking in is a long walk.
Speaker 1: I don't want to walk the whole thing.
Speaker 3: I'm stressed out about it. It's six' seven maybe eight
Speaker 3: miles To, caramel And i'm way out of place at
Speaker 3: a way out of an, hour like early fucking seven
Speaker 3: thirty eight.
Speaker 1: O'clock i'm walking twenty minutes into. It anthony found himself.
Speaker 1: SURROUNDED i get four cop. Cars they pull up all
Speaker 1: different ways like, weird, right and then an unmarked car
Speaker 1: and then It's. Castaldo, well the first thing you don't
Speaker 1: want to do when you're surrounded by four cop cars
Speaker 1: and you're not doing nothing is. Run IF i, ran
Speaker 1: they KNOW i got. Something i'm not. Running, besides this
Speaker 1: time he was, clean by dumb. LUCK i didn't have.
Speaker 1: Anything IF i, did it was probably half a. Joint
Speaker 1: castaldo rolled his windowed down to talk To.
Speaker 3: Anthony he's, like you had to eat the. Pipo, yeah
Speaker 3: come with, me SO i GET i get in his.
Speaker 3: Car he, was you, know a Big italian. Guy you,
Speaker 3: know he seemed like a kind of scary. Guy but
Speaker 3: he's being polite to. Me anthony thought he was being
Speaker 3: taken for a.
Speaker 1: Tuna that Was castaldo's wrap around, town a cop with heavy.
Speaker 1: Hands But castaldo had a different message in.
Speaker 3: Mind he says he's investigating this missing, Girl. Josette. Right
Speaker 3: anthony knew.
Speaker 1: Her of, course he'd seen her hanging with the group
Speaker 1: homegirls and wandering the streets Of carmel at all.
Speaker 3: Hours you, know you would See josette walking. Around you
Speaker 3: See josette in the deli, there The Glenida deli and
Speaker 3: the laundy met and this little.
Speaker 1: Area he remembered one time in, PARTICULAR i.
Speaker 3: Was sitting on the church, steps like a lot of,
Speaker 3: times the girls from the group home around three point
Speaker 3: thirty would go to these, steps and she was crying
Speaker 3: AND i could tell it was probably something from. Home
Speaker 3: BUT i WISH i, Asked AND i always thought, that
Speaker 3: like my whole, life IF i could have just asked one,
Speaker 3: question you know what's.
Speaker 1: Wrong but she asked me for a.
Speaker 3: CIGARETTE i knew it was, wrong but you're, crying, Girl
Speaker 3: you're already, smoking AND i know what you're doing out,
Speaker 3: here SO i have, it AND i gave her a.
Speaker 1: Cigarette he lit the cigarette for.
Speaker 3: Her she had longbod hair and blue eyes twelve for
Speaker 3: twelve year.
Speaker 1: Old But costaldo wasn't asking about her. Appearance he wanted
Speaker 1: leads on her. Disappearance i'm, LIKE i don't really. KNOW
Speaker 1: i know the, GIRL i don't really know. ANYTHING i
Speaker 1: haven't heard. Anything he, says if you, do please call
Speaker 1: this and he gave me his. Card by the Time
Speaker 1: castaldo dropped him in Downtown, Carmel anthony's stomach was a
Speaker 1: nots all those detectives to drop a business. Card they
Speaker 1: were clearly on a mission and not for crime stopper.
Speaker 1: Tips What anthony couldn't have known then was how far
Speaker 1: those costs would go to Put joseph, writes murder on
Speaker 1: someone or that He, anthony what's been the next three
Speaker 1: decades searching for actual? Killer that killer has been lurking
Speaker 1: in plain sight, forever but The putnam cops won't touch,
Speaker 1: him and never. Did and so five years AFTER i
Speaker 1: first wrote this, Story i'm as possessed by it As
Speaker 1: anthony in twenty twenty, One i've laughed in your face
Speaker 1: if you'd asked me about the. Devil but, soon very,
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Speaker 1: and Host Paul Soli. Taroff executive producers Are Jason, Flomm Jeff,
Speaker 1: Kempler Kevin wardis And Gilbert king From Rolling Stone. Films
Speaker 1: our executive producers Are Alexandra dale And Sean. Woods our
Speaker 1: producers Are Gara, Cornhaber Hannah, Beale Jackie, Pawley Austin smith
Speaker 1: And Kathleen. Horn our editor Is Joel, lovell fact checking
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Speaker 1: our engineer Is Austin. Smith additional reporting By Kathleen. Horrn
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