Speaker 1: Well look, ray jobs, you have the three of us
Speaker 1: on a fry day night.
Speaker 2: First of all, Happy Halloween. We're we're not.
Speaker 3: A costume, Nope, but what's up boo?
Speaker 4: Happy Halloween? Hey, candy is like fifteen dollars a bag.
Speaker 4: Are y'all giving these little mofuckers and the candy this year?
Speaker 3: And a right? Are you even opening the door.
Speaker 1: So back in the day the way that it used
Speaker 1: to work that I want to know if that's still
Speaker 1: the case. The porch light has to be on in
Speaker 1: order for that's that's the welcoming sign.
Speaker 5: Okay it should be, but they don't give a fuck.
Speaker 5: You know, rules and traditions are going out of the window.
Speaker 5: They'll ring the doorbell and bang on it with the
Speaker 5: lights off. They don't care no more these days, they
Speaker 5: don't mind.
Speaker 4: My front door is really scary, Like it's like a
Speaker 4: twelve foot high like iron door but has black glass
Speaker 4: where I can see them and they can't see, Like
Speaker 4: if I don't have the lights on the inside, Like
Speaker 4: walking up to my house is really scared. Maybe I
Speaker 4: might just mess with the kids a little bit and
Speaker 4: then just like you know, scare them.
Speaker 3: I don't know, you should you should.
Speaker 4: I do have film and I'll share it with you
Speaker 4: guys on Monday.
Speaker 5: I remember it. You just made me think about it.
Speaker 5: I remember that door.
Speaker 1: I have to go to Dallas when I know I
Speaker 1: have to make a trip. I do miss having some
Speaker 1: one on one time with Claudia.
Speaker 4: I mean they say I beg you to hang out,
Speaker 4: so I'm not gonna say it anymore, but like thirsty
Speaker 4: that the comments got your number, begging follows to hang out.
Speaker 4: You don't want to hang with her begging for a job.
Speaker 4: I'm like, do you not know our sense of humor
Speaker 4: by now right? No?
Speaker 1: We all have a humor. And that's why for Halloween,
Speaker 1: I am Dustin Wroth Claudia, so like, you know, I
Speaker 1: got on or whatever, and you know, fuck the motherfucker's
Speaker 1: calling me Justin and ship I'm gonna fuck nigga.
Speaker 2: I don't really fucking hamas don people, because you know
Speaker 2: I'm the man and I got everything going on, you know,
Speaker 2: So I so Ray Drowns. I am Dustin Ross for Halloween.
Speaker 3: I love it, and I this hard.
Speaker 5: Know I need somebody to play me in a movie
Speaker 5: because I want to look at the screen the way
Speaker 5: Whitney used to be looking at people singing her songs
Speaker 5: on stage.
Speaker 3: I want to do that just now, so I'm with you.
Speaker 1: There you go, allay, Halloween, that was MIA's Dustin, Claudia
Speaker 1: be carlos.
Speaker 2: Key for Halloween.
Speaker 4: Yes, bitch, Oh my god. I love all the girls. Oh,
Speaker 4: I love everybody, and I am not gonna talk about
Speaker 4: about anyone even when they're wrong. Yes, bitch, yes, hold on,
Speaker 4: I got some kim Y in my teeth. I am
Speaker 4: single out on these streets. I don't ask me any questions,
Speaker 4: but don't worry about who I was in Europe with.
Speaker 4: But anyways, yes, are you ready? Are you ready?
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm mm hmm. And no.
Speaker 5: And notifications yep, yes, notifications.
Speaker 4: On Tuesday. I'm not gonna say who it is.
Speaker 2: But that was good. That was good, Glaudia, that was good. Okay,
Speaker 2: So so Dustin, you turn to be Claudia.
Speaker 5: Okay, look, let me see what the comments are saying.
Speaker 5: I don't want to check it quite of the comments
Speaker 5: they're saying that I don't know, looking like I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying I ain't saying you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: I don't know, just looking like the comments are saying, well, personally,
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 3: Know funk that. Listen if she doesn't want to go
Speaker 3: do the that's my girl, Claudia.
Speaker 5: Yes, look, well we'll do the real impressions when we
Speaker 5: go out, okay instead of our new show.
Speaker 3: That's right, that'll be good.
Speaker 2: Actually, no, that'll be good. That'll be good. It goes
Speaker 2: to show that as friends we could do that. Like
Speaker 2: I'm actually funny. I love that.
Speaker 5: Yes, and party is right because on our show, we'll
Speaker 5: have a wardrobe budget for the holidays. So just think
Speaker 5: about the things we will do for like Christmas, the
Speaker 5: things will do for the Halloween episodes. Just think about
Speaker 5: episodes because it's gonna come back year after year, especially
Speaker 5: once we start snatching them trophies.
Speaker 3: So I'm excited.
Speaker 4: I can't wait. I can't wait to move to Yeah.
Speaker 3: Q one, Q one Q one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that city has good men, Like that's where
Speaker 4: I have the best luck. In that city. I'm not
Speaker 4: going to say the city, but that's the city I
Speaker 4: have my my you know, I've.
Speaker 5: Had to Well, they tell you up front the fruit
Speaker 5: is big, so you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I listen, not all the big apple.
Speaker 4: You know what. The fruit was definitely big there, I
Speaker 4: will say that.
Speaker 1: So yes, very exciting and I love taking a bite
Speaker 1: out of the big apple. Yeah.
Speaker 4: They else have good weed and good mushrooms.
Speaker 3: See what else do you need? Industry? We men, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, good dropping.
Speaker 4: Good Italian food, good Indian food.
Speaker 5: Trying to tell you, lady Vans, bring your wife.
Speaker 1: On that note, imagine being sandwich where you are in
Speaker 1: between two aries.
Speaker 2: That that is what it feels like when you're around Claudia.
Speaker 5: If you want to say, you'd like to thank the
Speaker 5: academy after you get out from the middle on it, Okay, we.
Speaker 4: Dream it should be for you. You gotta fire around,
Speaker 4: you know, and I know I know everybody likes being rammed.
Speaker 3: You got two rams, that's right, big, that's right.
Speaker 4: Who don't like a ramming?
Speaker 3: All capital letters like that truck ran Dorothy.
Speaker 4: Horns too like yes, like they can't like when they
Speaker 4: can't go all the way around, can't to this.
Speaker 1: Hope you guys are joining your Fridays as much as
Speaker 1: the two of us are.
Speaker 2: But listen, don't be sad. We will be back on Monday.
Speaker 4: So you've been I think we're gonna be a time
Speaker 4: on Monday.
Speaker 1: We are going to be on time every Monday. Maybe
Speaker 1: we'll see how the week breaks us. But as announced
Speaker 1: this past Monday, due to the overwhelming demand, we are
Speaker 1: here to discuss the latest episode of The Braxtons and
Speaker 1: just in general discussing the season overall. This is the
Speaker 1: second okay season of The Braxtons, because prior to that,
Speaker 1: they had I think quadruple ten seasons of The Braxton
Speaker 1: Family Values, which is the longest running black family reality
Speaker 1: show in the world, so they took some time off.
Speaker 2: The show came back last year.
Speaker 1: This is season two of The Braxtons and it features Twanda, Tamar, Tony,
Speaker 1: and Trina. As we all know, the great Tracy has
Speaker 1: passed away, and yes, rest in peace, Tracy, and let's
Speaker 1: just get right into it.
Speaker 2: Listen. This season it's unhinged.
Speaker 1: It's like nothing I ever expected anticipated, and to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, even wanted to see you know, when
Speaker 1: it came to The Braxtons.
Speaker 2: I'll speak for myself. I'd love to get your thoughts. Obviously, guys, I.
Speaker 1: Fell in love with this show because how funny they were,
Speaker 1: how they would sing a song on.
Speaker 2: At the drop of a dime, how.
Speaker 1: They would have funny commentary when it comes to the mother.
Speaker 1: You know, they made up a song called a dingling song,
Speaker 1: they made up a song called Daddy, they made up
Speaker 1: songs on the spot. They were funny, and yes there
Speaker 1: was always drama, but it was never drama to the
Speaker 1: point of what I'm seeing this season, and it is very,
Speaker 1: very tough to watch. So Dustin, I'll start with you.
Speaker 1: When you learned that this season was coming back, were
Speaker 1: you excited that you thought, Okay, we're going to get
Speaker 1: back to what we were introduced to on the show,
Speaker 1: which is, look, a group of sisters who are talented, funny,
Speaker 1: have chemistry. Yes, they fight, argue like siblings do, but
Speaker 1: you know we now get to like laugh again.
Speaker 5: Well, listen, I was happy to see To answer your question, yeah,
Speaker 5: I was happy to see them return, right before A
Speaker 5: few A bit different of a reason. These are black
Speaker 5: women who mean a lot to the world, mean a
Speaker 5: lot to the three of us, mean a lot to music,
Speaker 5: mean a lot to television now right, And so I'm
Speaker 5: a person who you know, I support the oars, I'm
Speaker 5: a patron, I support the all rights.
Speaker 3: So I want the show to continue. I want them to.
Speaker 5: Continue on making money and income and their own rights,
Speaker 5: and I want them to I wanted to move forward,
Speaker 5: especially after the passing of Tracy. This show was literally
Speaker 5: titled after their family name. First it was Braxton Family Values.
Speaker 5: Now it's called The Braxtons. Similar to the change that
Speaker 5: Keeping Up with the Kardashians did when they switched from
Speaker 5: E to Hulu and became the Kardashians versus Keeping Up
Speaker 5: with the Kardashians. It's kind of the same pattern, but
Speaker 5: this ain't it. So I was happy to see them
Speaker 5: come back, but I was not happy with what I
Speaker 5: saw once they did come back. For years, we've seen
Speaker 5: riffs between the sisters for years. We've seen them have
Speaker 5: challenges in trying to have a peaceful relationship with Tamar.
Speaker 5: Each of them individually have challenges with Tamar.
Speaker 3: We watched that.
Speaker 5: We watched Tony flat out tell us, Hey, if they
Speaker 5: were not my sisters, we probably would not be friends.
Speaker 3: We've seen all these things.
Speaker 5: And so after Tracy passed away, which was a devastating
Speaker 5: loss to them. I have siblings, you know I would
Speaker 5: be gutted. Carlos, you have siblings, Claudia, you do as well.
Speaker 5: And so after Tracy's lost, you would think that they
Speaker 5: would be motivated by a desire to unify, to find
Speaker 5: some sort of bridge and bond even in this late
Speaker 5: stage in their lives. But they can't do it. And
Speaker 5: we can break down the regions why as we move forward.
Speaker 5: But to answer your first question, yes, I was happy
Speaker 5: to see them come back.
Speaker 4: A man. I didn't. I didn't watch the show before.
Speaker 3: I wanted.
Speaker 4: You know, I've had you know, me and Tamar have
Speaker 4: had a very tumultuous relationship, but we're say that we're
Speaker 4: actually in a good place now. We spent a month
Speaker 4: together in a house shooting college. Hill mentioned about this
Speaker 4: show that she's like, she wasn't fucking with it. She
Speaker 4: says she didn't want to go back. She was just
Speaker 4: gonna be like a friend of the show. And I
Speaker 4: was like, how can you be it for like, it's
Speaker 4: such a big part of it, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's it doesn't seem like it'd be fun for any
Speaker 4: of them. Like again, like I mentioned before, reality being draining.
Speaker 4: This seems like ten times more draining than would be
Speaker 4: with people that you're not friends with, you know, like
Speaker 4: at least on a reality show with like housewives whatever.
Speaker 4: You you can actually separate, Like when the four months
Speaker 4: of filming is up. It's like, Mitch, I'll see right,
Speaker 4: I'll see you when we get renewed. And I'm making
Speaker 4: several hundred thousand dollars if not a million with this.
Speaker 4: It's like it's ugly and then it's not over for them,
Speaker 4: like they family events, funerals, weddings. I mean I was
Speaker 4: invited to Tauana's wedding and tam I wasn't she wasn't dead.
Speaker 4: I was like, yet felt bad, you know, like I
Speaker 4: was like, damn, like and I wonder if it's because
Speaker 4: of the reality show making, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: stressing out the family dynamics that maybe wouldn't be there
Speaker 4: if they want, because everybody got to pop off a
Speaker 4: little bit extra for TV. Oh I'm not about to
Speaker 4: let a bitch read me down, even if she is
Speaker 4: my sister, you know. And it was so ugly this episode.
Speaker 4: And then I went back and watched the episode before
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I will say this, I really love
Speaker 4: me some Tony Braxton. I've always loved me some Tony Brox.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the heavyweight, the littlest.
Speaker 4: One talking about I'm a heavyweight exactly. I like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like the sisters period. I'm sure we'll dig
Speaker 5: a little bit deeper. As you can see, Carlos is
Speaker 5: having some sort of technical difficulties right now, but he'll
Speaker 5: rejoin us shortly and I listen. I like the Braxts,
Speaker 5: but the Braxtons have got to grow up at a
Speaker 5: certain point.
Speaker 3: Okay, the childish antics.
Speaker 5: That were fun to watch in the beginning, like Carlos mentioned,
Speaker 5: singing them songs and telling stories and being playful, that
Speaker 5: kind of got old fast for me because these are
Speaker 5: not We're not watching people in their twenties. We're not
Speaker 5: even watching people in their thirties. These are people in
Speaker 5: their forties, late forties, fifties in some cases, And so
Speaker 5: the playful nature of everything being a joke is just
Speaker 5: a little unrealistic at a certain point. And these women
Speaker 5: have very complex lives that they could easily feel what
Speaker 5: is it forty eight minutes or however many minutes it
Speaker 5: is when a show is an hour long, they could
Speaker 5: easily fill up that time, fill up those blocks with
Speaker 5: things to show and things to talk about. But the
Speaker 5: focus seems to always be on the bullshit. You know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying? Somebody always pissed somebody else to fuck off.
Speaker 5: It's always a damn problem. It's always some sort of
Speaker 5: disrespect or talking about somebody behind they damn back. It's
Speaker 5: always that you know what I'm saying, and when it's
Speaker 5: not that they're acting silly and so for me, although
Speaker 5: I want to watch the show go on and on forever,
Speaker 5: like it just lost a little bit of the connection
Speaker 5: for me, but I don't want it to stop. I
Speaker 5: wanted to still be available for people to watch. I
Speaker 5: just got sick of seeing that shit.
Speaker 4: It seems like they may love each other, but they
Speaker 4: don't like each other very much. They do not like
Speaker 4: each other. They can't stand each other in some regards,
Speaker 4: and it's like I see a lot of what about me?
Speaker 4: What about my feelings and your feeling? But what about
Speaker 4: my feelings and how you hurt me? And you know,
Speaker 4: it's hard to see past that, like to how someone
Speaker 4: else might be feeling if it's just like all about
Speaker 4: what you think. I don't see this show. How the
Speaker 4: show can go on with this level of animosity. And
Speaker 4: this is what episode.
Speaker 5: Four, three three, I believe I think this was three okay, three,
Speaker 5: let me see, let me check that before we get
Speaker 5: to line. Yeah, it was episode.
Speaker 3: Four. You're right, it was four.
Speaker 4: Watch watch can street them like if every episode is
Speaker 4: no one's having fun, because imagine if what the producer
Speaker 4: is going through. If every episode none of them are
Speaker 4: having fun, it's just on ten arguing I don't see
Speaker 4: how the show can continue.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Carlo is so sick of it. He got off
Speaker 5: the damn screen. Carlos cut off se So listen.
Speaker 2: The spirit definitely blocked me from that.
Speaker 1: So let's let's just get into what happened in this
Speaker 1: episode that their tonight. So what we did see was
Speaker 1: the continuation of this sister's dinner. So at the sister's dinner,
Speaker 1: Tamar who decided to bring on her brother's daughter. So
Speaker 1: I want to make sure you guys know that Ashley,
Speaker 1: their niece, is the daughter of their brother, who has
Speaker 1: never been involved with the show. He may have seen
Speaker 1: him once or twice, maybe five times the duration of
Speaker 1: both shows.
Speaker 2: Being on the air.
Speaker 1: His niece made posts about something she experienced in her
Speaker 1: childhood teenage years.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure exactly.
Speaker 1: She did allude to the fact that it was something
Speaker 1: in regards to an aunt's former husband, but I don't believe.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure legally I don't say the
Speaker 1: name because Ashley never said the person's name.
Speaker 5: Right enough picture for us, Yes.
Speaker 1: And Tamar decided to have her a part of her
Speaker 1: live podcast to talk about it. Tamar received a cease
Speaker 1: and desist from the family attorney. According to Tamar, she
Speaker 1: walks into the dinner, she opens up a vanilla envelope.
Speaker 1: The ladies are saying they did not authorize this, they
Speaker 1: had no idea it was happening.
Speaker 2: They said their name wasn't on it.
Speaker 1: Tamar is livid because she said she was served at
Speaker 1: her doorstep, whereas the place that she lives with her
Speaker 1: minor child logan and she's very hot, she's very heated,
Speaker 1: and from there they're denying that they had anything to
Speaker 1: do with this. What I will say is this just
Speaker 1: to really talk about cease and desist.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay.
Speaker 1: A cease and desist is a form of documentation. It's
Speaker 1: a legal documentation where you send that to prevent somebody
Speaker 1: from saying things, detailing things, repeating things that you.
Speaker 2: Believe is associated with you that isn't true.
Speaker 1: And it's sort of like a it's a threat of
Speaker 1: if you do proceed with this, I will take legal action,
Speaker 1: and legal action is a form of a lawsuit. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is why Tamar said, you guys are trying to
Speaker 1: impact my business.
Speaker 2: Claudia, what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: Do you do you think that the sisters had no
Speaker 1: idea My sisters, I mean Tony, Tawanda and Trina, that
Speaker 1: those three had nothing to do with a cease and
Speaker 1: desist even coming Tamar's way, nor giving her address away
Speaker 1: when she said that her address is not even listed publicly.
Speaker 4: No, I think that they someone knows what they're not
Speaker 4: going to say because they know her temper. They know
Speaker 4: it's going to be a big argument like who else
Speaker 4: would do it? You know what I mean? I will
Speaker 4: say I've had to send seas and sist letters and
Speaker 4: it does have to trace back to a lawyer, right,
Speaker 4: and you contact the lawyer and you ask them like,
Speaker 4: who's this coming from? That that's what they can they
Speaker 4: have that right to ask? Yeah, I do think it's
Speaker 4: someone that.
Speaker 2: Has a lawyer.
Speaker 1: Let's ask the question, does the lawyer have the right
Speaker 1: to disclose who it came from?
Speaker 4: I'm much with the lawyer's on that, but I've always
Speaker 4: had my lawyer say it with his chest here, tell
Speaker 4: that bitch is from me? Yeah it is. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's from me. Like why you send it? You know,
Speaker 4: like because I think in the seasons, sister, you have
Speaker 4: to like kind of say, like I mean, in mind
Speaker 4: I've sent out. It's basically like stop saying this and
Speaker 4: give an example of what they're saying that it's like
Speaker 4: false or defamatory because you're threatening a seasons. This is
Speaker 4: a warning shot for a lawsuit. So you document that
Speaker 4: you tried first and then before you proceed to a lawsuit. Right,
Speaker 4: you tried first before you because you can't just come
Speaker 4: out the gate with a law so you have to
Speaker 4: least try to give him some kind of warning. And yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know how they don't know who is from
Speaker 4: because it's always been very clear who is from when
Speaker 4: when I've said one out or when I received one.
Speaker 4: I got one when I was in real house, Ius
Speaker 4: of Atlanta from your girl man. But we weren't lying,
Speaker 4: so it we pat it on mind.
Speaker 2: Look at so much, look look Claudia so much from
Speaker 2: the Halloween costume.
Speaker 1: Right, okay, just tonight, go ahead, that's it.
Speaker 5: So okay, let's zoom out here, right, Number one, A ceasing,
Speaker 5: de cease and desist come and go every single day.
Speaker 5: When you work in media, when you work in the
Speaker 5: business of opinion, when you work in an area where
Speaker 5: people's information can be commodified in some sort of way,
Speaker 5: and then you have access to it and to disperse it.
Speaker 3: You could are Are you are vulnerable.
Speaker 5: To receive as ceased and desist from somebody who didn't
Speaker 5: like what you had to say?
Speaker 3: Right, That's something that happens.
Speaker 5: My question before we tap further into that, I have
Speaker 5: a producer question for you, Carlos. So do you believe
Speaker 5: that the cease and desist was issued from it? Said
Speaker 5: it came She said that by she, I meaning Tamar Braxton,
Speaker 5: said that the cease and desists came from their family,
Speaker 5: the Braxton family attorney.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, is that deep?
Speaker 5: But but sorry, Seria had activated on my computer anyway.
Speaker 5: So do you think that the production company that the
Speaker 5: we TV, the network, or maybe some of the producers
Speaker 5: of the show I wanted to interfere with that conversation
Speaker 5: taking place between Tamar and her niece Ashley Braxton, or
Speaker 5: do you think it would have had to.
Speaker 3: Come from one of the.
Speaker 2: Sisters, listen, that's a great question.
Speaker 1: I emphatically do not believe that the production had anything
Speaker 1: to do with sitting Tamor's season assists to stop this
Speaker 1: from being on top of conversation. And the reason why
Speaker 1: I say that is because, I mean, number one, it's unethical.
Speaker 1: You don't get involved in altering the realcy of something
Speaker 1: in the legal context.
Speaker 2: Secondly, they the production company filmed Ashley to Tamar about this.
Speaker 1: When it comes to the season the sith look, I
Speaker 1: always look at things as as behavior right right, and
Speaker 1: and the disposition of folks. When she said, you guys
Speaker 1: have the family lawyer, their reaction to it to me
Speaker 1: didn't seem like they didn't know.
Speaker 2: They didn't know. They were very calm about it.
Speaker 5: And when Towanda made that allegation against Tamar about sleeping
Speaker 5: with Tony's one of Tony's past boyfriends, there was a
Speaker 5: very even keel, you know, lack of reaction from the ladies.
Speaker 5: And I think that's kind of what you're referring to
Speaker 5: in this case. When she did mention the season assistant
Speaker 5: question the origin of it, nobody really said, I mean,
Speaker 5: I kind of think that's where you're going with this right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I was new.
Speaker 2: Yeah I would have said absolutely not. I didn't do that,
Speaker 2: but would I.
Speaker 1: So I always look at things what people are not
Speaker 1: always what they're saying, but what they're not saying, because
Speaker 1: I would have been like, I would have never done that.
Speaker 1: And you also have a look at the show. They
Speaker 1: they they never fully addressed it. I've watched all four episodes.
Speaker 1: This is Reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.
Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show.
Speaker 4: My lawyers call and I text him to ask him.
Speaker 4: Should I ask him on the air?
Speaker 2: Yes, go ahead. Please let him know he's being recorded.
Speaker 4: Please Chris, where I'm recording right now? You're on my
Speaker 4: I'm on air, so I just have to let you know. Okay,
Speaker 4: my question about cease and assists, like, can someone.
Speaker 2: Or not anybody?
Speaker 4: You don't have to be a just a lawyer, right,
Speaker 4: but say so, say I sent one to somebody, right,
Speaker 4: Can I do it anonymously or my name has to
Speaker 4: be on it? Or no?
Speaker 6: No, you you really should sign your season desist so
Speaker 6: they know what's going on. Okay, No, exactly who they
Speaker 6: need to leave alone? They know exactly what the issue is.
Speaker 6: And yes, anybody can sign their own season desist letter.
Speaker 4: We're discussing a show where these ladies are saying that
Speaker 4: their family lawyer sent a season syst and everyone's asking
Speaker 4: like they don't know where it came from. So I
Speaker 4: was wondering if it can ask them?
Speaker 5: By law do people have to identify the origin of it?
Speaker 4: They have to identify the origin of the seasons law law.
Speaker 6: Well, you need to understand the issue. If I'm going
Speaker 6: to send a season desist and put on.
Speaker 2: The air right now, is just bring entertainment purposes only?
Speaker 6: Yes, you know, but if that's the situation, it becomes
Speaker 6: I have to say, you want to hearby demanded deceasion
Speaker 6: this whatever action that it is that I'm going to
Speaker 6: describe in a letter. You know, let's just say calling
Speaker 6: Claudia Jordan difamatory names. You know, you have to let
Speaker 6: them know what the issue is that they need to
Speaker 6: be ceasing and desist things from doing.
Speaker 2: Okay, not by law even know what the situation is.
Speaker 1: By the law, does the person who sentence have to
Speaker 1: be disclosed?
Speaker 6: Does the person who's sens it? Well, it really should
Speaker 6: be the lawyer or the individual that the subject matter is.
Speaker 4: About, Like say say say y'all, was like, Okay, Carlos
Speaker 4: King isn't talking about me and I needed to stop. Chris,
Speaker 4: can you drop up a season assist? So you sent
Speaker 4: the seasons and say I'm I'm a lawyer. I need
Speaker 4: you to stop talking about Claudia. And does it say
Speaker 4: yes for you you? But does it have to does
Speaker 4: that say does that basically say that it's like on
Speaker 4: my behal like I originated that behalf.
Speaker 6: I represent Claudia, Jordan and Carlos stop saying the famatory
Speaker 6: things about sometimes it's I mean, I've seen sometimes a manager.
Speaker 4: Write it, but it just can't be anonymous.
Speaker 2: George's signed anonymous.
Speaker 6: No, that's not the way it works.
Speaker 4: So someone's name is on it. If someone has to
Speaker 4: put a name on it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, somebody, somebody has society that have to tell the
Speaker 6: person that is directed to what action that they need
Speaker 6: to cease and desist doing.
Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, I'm gonna call you something get the air.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, No, thank you so so. But that
Speaker 2: being said, that's my look. I I watched the show.
Speaker 1: So even when Tawanda and Trina we're talking about it
Speaker 1: end they're seeing the first episode, they were very careful
Speaker 1: with their words about what was going on, because the
Speaker 1: the the what's allegedly going on is the fact that
Speaker 1: it's allegedly the somebody that one of the sisters used
Speaker 1: to be married to, right, And what they're saying is
Speaker 1: that this person is not here to defend themselves. Now,
Speaker 1: with that being said, their questioning whether or not Tamar's
Speaker 1: intentions was to really help out her fellow niece or
Speaker 1: did she do that to embarrass her family.
Speaker 2: That's one of your thoughts.
Speaker 1: Do you think Tamar had the best intentions in helping
Speaker 1: out the niece with her story or do you think
Speaker 1: that there.
Speaker 2: Was malice intent?
Speaker 3: Yes to both.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, okay, I do okay, because I do believe Listen,
Speaker 5: you got to consider the history, You got to consider
Speaker 5: the players involved. I do believe that there was a
Speaker 5: part of Tamar that wanted to help her niece.
Speaker 3: I do. I believe that.
Speaker 5: I also believe there's a part of Tamar that knew
Speaker 5: it was going to drive certain people in her family
Speaker 5: up a wall if this story was brought back up.
Speaker 5: And I think that because of certain existence, certain existing
Speaker 5: issues that she was about say exist shoes, certain existing issues.
Speaker 3: Like now, really, we didn't swap anyway.
Speaker 5: I think that because of some things that were already
Speaker 5: going on with her and her sisters, she wanted to
Speaker 5: piss them off. You don't get on TV cussing your
Speaker 5: sisters out the way that she was cussing them out
Speaker 5: at that dinner scene in this episode and in the
Speaker 5: last episode without there being some real deep shit in
Speaker 5: the waters between you and your siblings. And so, yeah,
Speaker 5: she wanted to help her niece. She also knew that
Speaker 5: that was some really uncomfortable, painful information for certain people
Speaker 5: in her family, and so I think she wanted to
Speaker 5: piss them off.
Speaker 3: Yes, like a.
Speaker 4: Two for one, like, yeah, I am fighting for the
Speaker 4: integrity and to protect I am being a protective aunt
Speaker 4: her niece, right, yeah, Auntie. But also the secondary benefit
Speaker 4: would be to piss these half off because I issue
Speaker 4: with them. I could see that too, because I don't
Speaker 4: think like you know, if listen and if I found
Speaker 4: out one of my family members was you know, had
Speaker 4: some somebody was touching her or what have you, allegedly
Speaker 4: and everyone kept it from me, I'm I'm flipping tables too.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be mad too. So I think that's a
Speaker 4: legitimate response to be upset. But then you also have
Speaker 4: this other layer of if you guys are public figures
Speaker 4: on television, you have a show, and what you choose,
Speaker 4: how you choose, move forward. Okay, I'm gona put her
Speaker 4: on a podcast. I'm exposed. I'm gonna blow the whole
Speaker 4: family up and not care because I don't really rock
Speaker 4: with them any one. I feel like they don't rock
Speaker 4: with me. So yeah, I could see that too.
Speaker 3: She said she.
Speaker 5: Wanted to help her niece, and in the converse, she
Speaker 5: Tamar made sure that she filmed the scene on the
Speaker 5: show where she was sitting down at a restaurant with
Speaker 5: her niece and stating on camera that she wanted to
Speaker 5: help her niece and offer her some help and resources
Speaker 5: that she Tamar I'm speaking of she herself had not
Speaker 5: had available to her when she needed some help. Previously,
Speaker 5: she's alluded to being in a similar position of some
Speaker 5: sort in some way with her niece at some point
Speaker 5: in her life, and so she definitely laid that out
Speaker 5: on camera. But Tamar also is a television producer. She's
Speaker 5: produced multiple reality shows for herself, and she's been a
Speaker 5: producer on The Braxtons the entire time, So Tamar understood
Speaker 5: the importance of that qualifying information being included in what
Speaker 5: was available to be shown on air, right because I'm
Speaker 5: not sure how much control they have over the edits,
Speaker 5: but Tamar knew she had to film a scene saying, hey, niece,
Speaker 5: I want.
Speaker 3: To help you, and this is why we're doing this.
Speaker 5: This is why I want to have you come on
Speaker 5: my show, because then when her intention is questioned, she
Speaker 5: has something to reference now saying no, look, I only
Speaker 5: wanted to help her.
Speaker 3: You can see I talked about it on the show.
Speaker 5: But the behavior that we saw displayed in that dinner
Speaker 5: scene contradicts that being her sole intention because she referenced
Speaker 5: specific things that she took umbrage. No pun intended, because
Speaker 5: you know they called Tajuana umba, but she took umbrage
Speaker 5: with certain things you know what I'm mean saying with
Speaker 5: her sisters, and it motivated the way she reacted and
Speaker 5: responded to things.
Speaker 3: A cease and desist.
Speaker 5: Although although it is a defining, you know document, it's
Speaker 5: just not a it happens, It's not something that's very serious. Okay,
Speaker 5: it can be serious, but it also can be a
Speaker 5: way to just tell a person you don't like what
Speaker 5: they're doing or saying. And I feel like Tamar took
Speaker 5: that seats and desist and the receipt of the of
Speaker 5: that seat that cease and desist, right, she took that
Speaker 5: moment and stretched it as far as she could. Y'all
Speaker 5: trying to shut down my businesses. I'm a producer, I'm
Speaker 5: a singer. This is how I make my money. No,
Speaker 5: it's not Tamar's podcast that she has has changed names.
Speaker 5: It's not people watch it, you know, And it's a
Speaker 5: great conversation between her and some of her close friends.
Speaker 5: But it's not something that is the sole source of
Speaker 5: all her income. I would, I would, I would challenge
Speaker 5: that as a fact. So I don't think they've got
Speaker 5: to shut her businesses down.
Speaker 2: So I thought, I think that was.
Speaker 4: A bit over the top to say that, because Tamar
Speaker 4: is a singer, a great singer, she has reality shows,
Speaker 4: She's constantly booked and busy, So I don't think that
Speaker 4: would shut her down, I think. But you know, Tamar,
Speaker 4: to her credit for reality TV, is good at bringing
Speaker 4: the drama, being dramatic, and I feel that I do
Speaker 4: feel bad if this was very painful for the niece
Speaker 4: in real life, and it kind of feels a little yucky,
Speaker 4: like her situation kind of got exploited for, like get
Speaker 4: back with each other.
Speaker 5: Yeah, to be fair, she introduced the inform we had
Speaker 5: no idea about any of these alleged occurrences. Right her niece, Ashley,
Speaker 5: who had been living in Spain I believe for the
Speaker 5: past what teen years or something like that, she brought
Speaker 5: the started making tick type videos speaking about her experience.
Speaker 3: And that's what kind of set all this off.
Speaker 5: As a person who's been viewing the brag since it
Speaker 5: does feel like Tamar used it to her advantage, it
Speaker 5: does it exploited it.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, yeah, I have a piggyback off of
Speaker 1: what doesn't saying, just so you were aware. To Claudia,
Speaker 1: the niece did the TikTok video saying that allegedly that
Speaker 1: one of her aunts, her aunties cut her off after
Speaker 1: the auntie's partner was inappropriate with her at the age
Speaker 1: of sixteen, and that's when everybody started to throw names
Speaker 1: out there without her name is Ashley, without actually even
Speaker 1: saying the.
Speaker 2: Name, and just to catch people on.
Speaker 1: This is what Ashley did say on the TikTok. So Claudia,
Speaker 1: I want you to know too. This is what she
Speaker 1: said on TikTok before the season even started.
Speaker 2: So I want to tell a story.
Speaker 1: Today, and the story is about how one of my
Speaker 1: aunts and my family do not talk to me because
Speaker 1: they think that I, at the age of sixteen, did
Speaker 1: something with a partner at the time.
Speaker 2: And I believe.
Speaker 1: Hold on a second, and I'm sorry, and I have
Speaker 1: been a nervous wreck to talk about something like this
Speaker 1: and to tell this story A because of my family.
Speaker 1: B because I don't want to hurt people. It's not
Speaker 1: to hurt people to tell my story. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I've been working through this so much in
Speaker 1: therapy and this is something that goes way deep to
Speaker 1: my core and in terms of worthiness and how I
Speaker 1: feel about myself.
Speaker 2: So she listen.
Speaker 1: That's how she started to offer TikTok, and again she
Speaker 1: started off by saying that one of her aunts.
Speaker 2: Just doesn't talk to her because.
Speaker 1: Of what you know allegedly occurred when she was sixteen
Speaker 1: years of age.
Speaker 4: And that happens in black families all the time, and
Speaker 4: I'm sticking it. So I'm glad that someone put them up.
Speaker 4: Put the behavior on blast because that is not cute
Speaker 4: and I never are. Then Tamar's right, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean as far as like looking out for the niece,
Speaker 4: that was the soul intent was like, look, I really
Speaker 4: care about this and I'm gonna elevate your voice. And
Speaker 4: whoever said the cease and sist to Tamar about shutting
Speaker 4: it down and not talk about it, I think they
Speaker 4: were wrong. I think they were dead wrong. For I mean, yes,
Speaker 4: the person is no longer with us allegedly right, but
Speaker 4: like that she shouldn't be able to talk about it
Speaker 4: because the person died.
Speaker 5: I think the if not, I think it's funny that
Speaker 5: when Tamar did voice her concerns with being issued.
Speaker 3: To cease and desist, the cease and desist.
Speaker 5: Now one time did she say, y'all stop me from
Speaker 5: helping Ashley.
Speaker 2: Y'all tell her story.
Speaker 5: She kept saying, y'all shutting my business down. I'm a singer,
Speaker 5: I'm a producer, I'm this. It was the focus was
Speaker 5: only on helping Ashley her our view the viewers, we
Speaker 5: only saw that being her focus and intention in the
Speaker 5: scene when she said down at the restaurant with her
Speaker 5: niece and when they began their discourse on stage at
Speaker 5: Tamar's live podcast. Any other time she's spoken about the
Speaker 5: cease and desist on the show, her focus has been
Speaker 5: her being wronged by her sisters, as opposed to a
Speaker 5: block being put in place between her and offering some
Speaker 5: sort of help or assistance to her niece.
Speaker 3: And I find that a bit telling. Personally.
Speaker 5: I think that Tamar, when her personality is corralled appropriately
Speaker 5: and housed appropriately, I think she is a She's a
Speaker 5: dynamite television personality. I think she was incredible on the
Speaker 5: real as a host, And I think that she is
Speaker 5: one of the best singers really of our time. She
Speaker 5: has an incredible a beautiful singing. Personalities are subjective. People
Speaker 5: might like her, might not like her, but she's good
Speaker 5: at those two things. What we've seen her not be
Speaker 5: as successful as is being a friend, being a sister,
Speaker 5: being lawyer, maintaining privacy when it comes to personal things
Speaker 5: between her and someone else. She constantly runs to the
Speaker 5: Internet whenever she has issues with anything or anyone, and
Speaker 5: that makes resolution and resolved difficult because now you're inviting
Speaker 5: in a myriad of opinions and other perspectives to something
Speaker 5: that could have been handled between two people.
Speaker 3: So I'm challenged.
Speaker 5: Really, if I'm being honest, I've seen Tamar habitually cross
Speaker 5: lines and boundaries of disrespect with her sisters over the years. Right,
Speaker 5: we can go back to the scene when she went
Speaker 5: around the table and pointed out something that was wrong
Speaker 5: with everybody's husband at the table, personal things like them being,
Speaker 5: you know, having infidelities or having not been able to
Speaker 5: keep a job.
Speaker 3: You know these are you, I know.
Speaker 2: But listen, I'll say this.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm a fan of the show. Yeah, listen, I
Speaker 1: will say this. At the time, as I was watching it,
Speaker 1: I did laugh because I I didn't.
Speaker 2: This is my opinion. I didn't take it as deep.
Speaker 1: But I'm often on the receiving end and I'm feel Yes,
Speaker 1: But the scene rain Drops is where she said, your
Speaker 1: man's a cheetah.
Speaker 2: Your man a computer with.
Speaker 1: Because allegedly one of the husbands was like on the
Speaker 1: internet talk to other women.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm gonna tell you what I got a problem with.
Speaker 5: Right, here's what I have a problem with, because Tamar
Speaker 5: is not the only person at fault in this situation. Right,
Speaker 5: The main conflict that we witness was between her and
Speaker 5: her sister Twanda. Okay, and this is not something new.
Speaker 5: This has been a recurring conflict or a recurrent theme
Speaker 5: since the first our introduction to the Braxtons. Right, money, access, ego, pride,
Speaker 5: all those things play a part in this conversation because,
Speaker 5: as you see, when Tamar was lashing out or reacting
Speaker 5: to being sent to seas and this is by somebody
Speaker 5: connected to the sisters and their attorney or former attorney.
Speaker 5: At one point, Tamar started talking about everything else. Y'all
Speaker 5: are jealous of me. She started referencing her looks, She
Speaker 5: started referencing monies that were giving in whether or not
Speaker 5: they were a gift or alone, you know, and and
Speaker 5: Tojuanda started going back and forth, and Tuanda took advantage
Speaker 5: of the opportunity. It seemed to me as if Tuanda
Speaker 5: had an intention of Okay, I'm about to expose you.
Speaker 5: I want to change the way that people view you.
Speaker 5: I want people to understand that you're a bad person
Speaker 5: who would do things that people consider disgusting and representable
Speaker 5: to their siblings. So I'm going to tell this secret,
Speaker 5: no matter alleged secret, I should say about you allegedly
Speaker 5: sleeping with someone that Tony who's had a relationship with
Speaker 5: because I want people to look at you differently than
Speaker 5: they do.
Speaker 3: That's a deep down, you know, intention.
Speaker 5: For someone to have, especially your sister when it comes
Speaker 5: to a problem between the two of y'all, and Tuanda
Speaker 5: continued to do in same things that I felt like cross.
Speaker 3: The line too.
Speaker 5: Towards the end end of the conflict, Towanda can be
Speaker 5: seen on camera and shout.
Speaker 3: Out to the editors for making sure it was included.
Speaker 5: Towanda was saying, let's call the police and let's press
Speaker 5: charges on her. Let's call the police and let's press
Speaker 5: charges on her. She kept repeating that in that scene,
Speaker 5: bringing up shit about kids, all of that was just
Speaker 5: line that it was just lines being crossed that are
Speaker 5: difficult to go back from. Shout out to Trina Braxton.
Speaker 5: I think Trina Braxton regulated her emotions impeccably during that
Speaker 5: whole confrontation. Trina was keeping her tone down. Trina was
Speaker 5: trying to defuse things, to escalate things. Even when she
Speaker 5: would respond to some of the wild shit Tamar was saying,
Speaker 5: she would just be like, no, Tamar, I'm.
Speaker 4: Not even when she got her hair pulled from the
Speaker 4: back that would have set me off. True, she was
Speaker 4: trying to She was trying her best to be the
Speaker 4: peacemaker between She got villainized for it. And you know
Speaker 4: the heat of the moment, you mad, you like you
Speaker 4: touched me? Are you you separating us? Let me get
Speaker 4: out of it. Know that was what Trina did, the right
Speaker 4: thing and Tamar, that was such an ugly scene. It
Speaker 4: was so ugly for them.
Speaker 5: And we all have the moments, right, That's not that
Speaker 5: they're not alone in that, Like we all have moments
Speaker 5: that we're not proud of. Especially Kin't nobody piss me
Speaker 5: off like my family. I'm just gonna be honest. I
Speaker 5: don't give a fuck about my family. You know, Like
Speaker 5: disagreements internally are triggering for me and so I get
Speaker 5: it right. But I'm also not finna cut my brother
Speaker 5: or sister out on TV like that. Just I don't
Speaker 5: even have it if we have a disagreement. I was
Speaker 5: just telling my friend earlier, me and my brother, that's
Speaker 5: our love language. Fuck you, nigga, what the fuck you?
Speaker 5: Guy's how we talked. Hello, what you do in your
Speaker 5: ugly mother? But that's how we talk to each other.
Speaker 5: But if we ever have a disagreement, we remove all
Speaker 5: of that and we talk about what was going on.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I don't have it in my heart to hurt him
Speaker 5: in that way or dip disrespectfully.
Speaker 3: Insult him, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So seeing Tamar and Tauana just go right there, it
Speaker 5: indicates a lot of ship and a very very broken relationship.
Speaker 3: They don't like each other.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I want to I want to peel
Speaker 1: back to because you have siblings.
Speaker 2: You have siblings. I have I have nine of them,
Speaker 2: nine siblings.
Speaker 6: And.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what I saw as somebody who
Speaker 1: is the middle child of ten kids who all grew
Speaker 1: up in the same house with the same parents all
Speaker 1: our lives. I did see a couple of things. I
Speaker 1: saw gas lighting and I'll get to that. I saw
Speaker 1: passive aggressiveness, and I saw a deep need to expose
Speaker 1: because I'm tired, that I'm fed up and I'm done
Speaker 1: and I'm done and I and the world's about to
Speaker 1: find out exactly who you are. So what I will
Speaker 1: say is this, even when and I want to go
Speaker 1: back a little bit to the moment about Ashley being
Speaker 1: on the show and how Tam Martell Tony you told
Speaker 1: me to get on the Braxis and Tony denied it,
Speaker 1: and Tamar.
Speaker 2: Said, I swear on my mom that.
Speaker 1: You did it right, only for Tony then to go
Speaker 1: with her confessionals to say, well, look, I did say
Speaker 1: bring her on the show, but in this way, so
Speaker 1: I do feel like this it goes to show you that, yes,
Speaker 1: Tamar may be this big, bragadocious, loud person, right, and
Speaker 1: Tamar is as flawed as all of us.
Speaker 2: But I will say, in that moment.
Speaker 1: I did feel like, well, if you're saying to her
Speaker 1: in her face, you didn't do it, only to then
Speaker 1: go on your confessionals saying well, I did do it.
Speaker 7: It does sort of present this, this this notion that okay,
Speaker 7: is Tamar being gas lily by her sisters, and and
Speaker 7: and and one more thing does and Tom tap you in.
Speaker 1: Because I have fiblings, and whoever has siblings more than
Speaker 1: like a couple, y'all go, y'all, go, y'all, y'all, y'all go,
Speaker 1: y'all gonna agree to this and you'll agree with this
Speaker 1: suit does it? There were tons of side looks and whispers,
Speaker 1: m h, that was happening. So even when Tamar brought
Speaker 1: the accusation of the phone the phone bill of the
Speaker 1: thumb bill, I told you about the phone bill, remember
Speaker 1: the phone bill that Tawanza had my name, but d
Speaker 1: and Tony said, you did say that that to Wanda
Speaker 1: goes yeah, but something like is.
Speaker 2: That illegal whatever?
Speaker 1: With the words were something about what was that illegal
Speaker 1: or something, and Tony whispers, it doesn't make it true.
Speaker 1: It was sort of like, Okay, I'm really seeing I'm
Speaker 1: really seeing moments of.
Speaker 2: Things being gassed lited.
Speaker 1: And again I'm not I'm not saying I'm on this
Speaker 1: purchase side of not I'm watching the show.
Speaker 2: But I will say for a woman.
Speaker 1: Like Tamar, who does have a reputation that she said,
Speaker 1: people just think she just goes off on the left.
Speaker 2: For the reason, I will say that scene I did
Speaker 2: see moms, so I'm like a.
Speaker 1: To be gas letting your face by your sisters, and
Speaker 1: then as a person at siblings who also does the
Speaker 1: little look to my other sister like love, I did
Speaker 1: see moments of like Okay, I can see where I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I can see why she feels this way in this moment.
Speaker 3: I could too.
Speaker 5: I agree with you because I definitely recognize moments. Like
Speaker 5: I told you, Tamar is not alone in what made
Speaker 5: this dinner go left right, or what makes their dinners
Speaker 5: typically go left. There were other people who are involved.
Speaker 5: Trina was making faces and shit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Even though she did regulate her emotions well when it
Speaker 5: was time for her to actually communicate, her nonverbal communication
Speaker 5: was something different.
Speaker 3: Right. Twanda appears to.
Speaker 5: Have a a mean, nasty edge to her spirit when
Speaker 5: she is in conflict with Tamar.
Speaker 3: I don't know where that comes from. I don't know
Speaker 3: what that reflects, but.
Speaker 5: She appears to have a goal of shifting the perspective
Speaker 5: of whoever is watching or listening when it comes to Tamar.
Speaker 5: It seems like Towanda does not like how Tamar is
Speaker 5: well received by some people. In spite of her behaviors
Speaker 5: that can be deemed or radic, can be deemed problematic,
Speaker 5: can be deemed childish, can be deemed whatever you want
Speaker 5: to deem them, she still gets a lot of love,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And I think that Towanda
Speaker 5: resents that because Twuanda feels like she has real issues
Speaker 5: to be upset with Tamar about and she feels like
Speaker 5: her sisters have real issues to be upset with Tamar about.
Speaker 5: And I don't think she feels like Tamar deserves some
Speaker 5: of the success that Tamar has rightfully earned on her
Speaker 5: own of her own merit, right, I think to it
Speaker 5: appears as if Tuana resents that a little bit, and
Speaker 5: so she tries to hut down the middle when she's
Speaker 5: arguing with Tamar.
Speaker 3: Why else would you bring up something like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Tamar brought up that down payment, But that's the
Speaker 5: kind of shit you do when you help each other out,
Speaker 5: when your siblings and shit, you know, But even that
Speaker 5: being brought up, it just it's just on.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't like it. Yeah, and I want to hear
Speaker 2: from you too.
Speaker 1: I'll say this, as a person has siblings, I think
Speaker 1: they all cross the line with exposing what they do
Speaker 1: for each other.
Speaker 2: I don't like that.
Speaker 1: That's why I do feel like in that moment, the
Speaker 1: gloves were off, and it was the first time that
Speaker 1: I saw the living legend Tony B. Braxtaid gloves being
Speaker 1: off too. Because as the older sister, she always had
Speaker 1: this way, either I'm going to keep things here or
Speaker 1: I'm going to remove myself from the situation. I was
Speaker 1: surprised to see even her have her gloves off. And
Speaker 1: the thing with Trina, who definitely wasn't vocal. I will say,
Speaker 1: even when Trina said to Tony, you're you're a superstar,
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I didn't like that in that moment
Speaker 1: because you're sort of exactly, you're sort of categorizing that
Speaker 1: one sister has more to lose in the other, and
Speaker 1: as a viewer, all you guys have the same thing
Speaker 1: to lose.
Speaker 2: Yes, Tony Braxett is the iconic.
Speaker 1: Grammy Award winning living legend, right, but in this moment,
Speaker 1: that's your sister.
Speaker 3: There you go. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Does not matter in this moment when I get to
Speaker 1: argument with my with my siblings, none of those mothers,
Speaker 1: none of them saying that's the king of reality TV
Speaker 1: like you got they might.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, that was again more evidence of long standing
Speaker 4: beef for many, many years. It was clearly a dig
Speaker 4: like the sister is saying, she's saying you're a superstar
Speaker 4: and looking at Tamar, you're a superstar. This is above you.
Speaker 4: They've had lots of arguments in the past, and you know,
Speaker 4: I do think that Tamor probably feels a way that
Speaker 4: sometimes Tony Braxton does get that label. And as talented
Speaker 4: as Tamar is, which she is, really, I think a
Speaker 4: lot of Tamar's issues is sometimes I do think she's
Speaker 4: correct in her stances. It's probably the delivery and that
Speaker 4: rubs their sisters the wrong way, so they get into
Speaker 4: it like it's delivery is like half the battle and tone,
Speaker 4: so even when you're right, it's it's like easy to
Speaker 4: demonize someone right and be like, look at her, she's
Speaker 4: acting up. She acted here she go acting ghetto again,
Speaker 4: not acting like a superstar. When your delivery is on ten,
Speaker 4: no one really can hear you. They hear you yelling,
Speaker 4: they hear you screaming, they hear your your your seem aggressive, right,
Speaker 4: they're not really hearing. Well, maybe she was gaessled a
Speaker 4: little bit. Maybe she does have a point. And then
Speaker 4: no one wants to feel sympathy for you because of
Speaker 4: your tone. So that's what like, so and the sisters
Speaker 4: know that, right, So you keep yourself tone, your tone
Speaker 4: calm and cool and let your sister crash out. She
Speaker 4: instantly the audience will be like, oh, here's she go
Speaker 4: again doing what she do. But it's obvious many many,
Speaker 4: many many many years of resentment, hurt, pain over whatever issues, jealousy,
Speaker 4: And I don't think it's all only directed at Tamar.
Speaker 4: I think that there's a lot of two way jealousy
Speaker 4: in that family. And it's not for the things. It's
Speaker 4: not just like, oh well you made it. I didn't
Speaker 4: make it as big. There's just you know, people throwing
Speaker 4: shit in each other's faces. As we saw in the
Speaker 4: argument that wasn't cool at all.
Speaker 2: Don't do it for me.
Speaker 4: If you're gonna throw it on my face later, do
Speaker 4: not do that. And I just think that they were
Speaker 4: both there was a lot of there was a lot
Speaker 4: enough blame to go around to the whole family with
Speaker 4: that scene. But it was ugly and it's been ugly though. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's been a This is not new.
Speaker 2: And they don't like each other.
Speaker 4: Listen, they don't like They love each other, but they
Speaker 4: don't like each other.
Speaker 2: And that's real.
Speaker 1: You could love somebody, but I like them, and I
Speaker 1: think Dustin clocked it. Tony Braxon went on record saying
Speaker 1: if they weren't my sisters, I would not be friends
Speaker 1: with them. She said it, she said out her own mouth.
Speaker 1: Tony Braxon also said that when when they when they started,
Speaker 1: because because miss Evelyn Braxton raised her girls to be
Speaker 1: a girl group and and to be you know that
Speaker 1: as the career choice. When La Reed saw the group orformed,
Speaker 1: he single handly said, I only want Tony braxaid, and
Speaker 1: Tony Braxton said this out of her own mouth that
Speaker 1: no matter what she accomplished as a solo act, her
Speaker 1: mother will always say, that's baby, that's fine.
Speaker 2: Don't think it about your sisters. Don't think about your sisters.
Speaker 3: Pressure yes, yes, And.
Speaker 1: Tony has said that she felt that she couldn't never
Speaker 1: enjoy her success because she was she was she was
Speaker 1: made to always feel like, your sisters don't have it either.
Speaker 1: So even when Tracy makes you rest in peace, did
Speaker 1: say when Tony became solo and Tony wanted Tony worked
Speaker 1: with the other sisters, the four of them to be
Speaker 1: in a girl group. When they signed the record deal
Speaker 1: is when Tracy got pregnant. And then Tracy has said
Speaker 1: this out of her own mouth that she pretty much
Speaker 1: was kicked out of the group because she was pregnant.
Speaker 1: And if you watch, not watch, if you go back
Speaker 1: to the records the Bractons as the group was three people,
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of history there.
Speaker 2: And I think when it came to.
Speaker 1: What the conversations are about, jealousy, you're a superstar, all
Speaker 1: of that, I think, Unfortunately, I'm gonna say this, I
Speaker 1: think the moment Tony Braxton made it as a solo superstar,
Speaker 1: I do believe the relationship between the sisters as a
Speaker 1: unit was forever changed.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 4: Think about if you were sorry, doesn't think about how
Speaker 4: the Jackson five were like they were a group and
Speaker 4: they were they went through brutal training to get to
Speaker 4: where they had to get and and the rehearsals on it,
Speaker 4: and then Michael is the chosen one because he stood
Speaker 4: out like that, How the kindest, most faith having person
Speaker 4: is still going to feel a way that it's human
Speaker 4: nature to feel a way it's called and then and
Speaker 4: then Tony is gonna have that survivor's remorse, like I'm
Speaker 4: the one that made it. There's a lot of guilt
Speaker 4: that goes along with that. And can you can be
Speaker 4: happy for your sister but also be low Ki hated
Speaker 4: and li jells at the same time. And you can't
Speaker 4: say it right because you're supposed to. It's a complex
Speaker 4: place to be. It's a complex thing.
Speaker 3: A line. No, Claudia, I don't like that, friend. I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 5: I feel like, yeah, it's real, but I don't know.
Speaker 5: Just speaking for myself, you know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 5: not being wrong or right or whatever, but like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 3: Think there's any place for like.
Speaker 5: Jealousy and ego and pride and shit like that when
Speaker 5: in a close relationship. For like, I don't want to
Speaker 5: if some good heavens for you, I'm not gonna think, damn,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. That should be me too.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, I'd be like, damn, that's
Speaker 5: dope for Claudia, I'm happy for you. So I can't
Speaker 5: imagine if my brother and I, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I think I think we have to go with the
Speaker 1: fact that once again they were brought up.
Speaker 2: As sisters to be a group, right, so.
Speaker 1: It was always the five of us are going to
Speaker 1: make it as a group.
Speaker 2: Now, I don't I know your spirit, and I'm not
Speaker 2: saying you I know what you're saying.
Speaker 1: But if Claudia and Dustin were like Ashburn and Simpson,
Speaker 1: and or whatever, right the dynamic duo Sonny there right,
Speaker 1: Donnie Marie.
Speaker 2: Osman, I'm so old. I go ahead, clock, thank you,
Speaker 2: Saltlake City, shout out, thank you. Okay. Anyway, when.
Speaker 1: If you and Claudia were brought up since over five
Speaker 1: years old to make it and then at twenty Claudia
Speaker 1: has been hand selected to be ushered into the stratosphere
Speaker 1: and you're left behind, there could.
Speaker 2: Be some resentment.
Speaker 1: And one example I will give and I'm only saying
Speaker 1: this because they talked about it. Kelly Rowland did a
Speaker 1: song called Dirty Laundry and she and she talked about
Speaker 1: the fact that when Beyonce became the solo superstar. She
Speaker 1: said in the song okay God, we forgot to be
Speaker 1: like she it's her song. She said how it was
Speaker 1: difficult for her to see her sister on stage killing
Speaker 1: it because she was like, what about me? Like, what
Speaker 1: do I do now that my sister has made it
Speaker 1: since we were seven eight years old? And then in
Speaker 1: my twenties and my girl is the number one pop
Speaker 1: star and I'm figuring my shit out, So I like.
Speaker 4: Be happy and sad at the same time. And it's
Speaker 4: like you like hating on them, But it's I think
Speaker 4: it's human nature to feel that, like, well, what about me?
Speaker 4: As much as you try to quiet that voice, the
Speaker 4: what about me thing is is real, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean? Like we plan on doing something together and
Speaker 4: one gets plucked and elevated behind beyond their wildest dreams,
Speaker 4: and you're sitting there like, I'm supposed to be happy
Speaker 4: because that's my blood. But fuck, why not me too?
Speaker 4: Why could it be two of us? Or why could
Speaker 4: it be three of us?
Speaker 2: You know? So I get that. That's why I said.
Speaker 1: That's why I said every I believe, and this is
Speaker 1: me having nine siblings, I believe their relationship as sisters
Speaker 1: change the moment La re selected Tony because he removed
Speaker 1: her from the foundation that was set by their mother.
Speaker 1: And that's why their mother again, guy Tony Braxon said it.
Speaker 1: That's why the mother always said, yes, baby, congratulations like
Speaker 1: your grammy and all this stuff, but don't you forget
Speaker 1: about your sisters. And and that's why I think when
Speaker 1: the Braxtons came along that Tamar Braxton and her ex
Speaker 1: husband Vincent Herbert paid for the pilot And just so
Speaker 1: y'all know, the pilot was at Bravo first, and Bravo.
Speaker 2: Did not greenlight it, but we TV did. That's why
Speaker 2: it did appear.
Speaker 1: That, you know, it was like their second win, right,
Speaker 1: like this could be something that we all could do
Speaker 1: as a unit. But once again, I think that foundation
Speaker 1: was never healed, which is why tv jas couldn't even
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 4: But think about the sisters. Okay, they had to go
Speaker 4: through it more than once. Okay, and a second on
Speaker 4: a lower scale. Right, first they were together as five
Speaker 4: and then Tony Braxton's out of here blows up and
Speaker 4: everybody's like, wait, what what about us? And then after
Speaker 4: years later, then Tamar breaks out as a soul star,
Speaker 4: another chance for the other sisters to be like what
Speaker 4: about us? Again, So they had to go through it
Speaker 4: kind of twice. And then then I mean, Tony Braxon
Speaker 4: is like she's out of here, and Tamar Braxon is
Speaker 4: very successful too. So imagine what the other sisters gotta feel.
Speaker 4: You cannot tell me, like that's that's gotta be tough
Speaker 4: for them.
Speaker 3: I don't. I just I completely understand the point you making.
Speaker 5: First of all, let me say that because I'm not
Speaker 5: challenging with either one of y'all are saying the way
Speaker 5: I look at things, I just would feel like, Okay,
Speaker 5: if my sister is this superstar wins the best Grammy
Speaker 5: you can win, right, best new artists, once in a
Speaker 5: lifetime chance to win.
Speaker 3: She won it.
Speaker 5: She's loved by mainstream audiences all over the world. Right,
Speaker 5: if I'm talented and me and my sister have a
Speaker 5: good relationship, that's opportunity for me to have access to
Speaker 5: resources to have my talents be seen by others and
Speaker 5: have an opportunity. Right, you pick up that basketball of
Speaker 5: opportunity and you dribble it. You work on your craft,
Speaker 5: and you maintain good relationships, and you showcase your art.
Speaker 5: The second time that the family got the spotlight put
Speaker 5: on them as a collective with this television show, to me,
Speaker 5: that's opportunity too for you to showcase your talents, do
Speaker 5: your thing, get opportunities, be good at what you say
Speaker 5: you're good at. If Tamar rockets to superstardom like she
Speaker 5: did when the show came out, that's more attention on
Speaker 5: the show, more attention on y'all. That's good for all
Speaker 5: of you. It's great for Tamar, but it's also good
Speaker 5: for you. And if they were looking at that as
Speaker 5: a second opportunity of being overlooked. I think the problem
Speaker 5: the call is what they be saying, car's coming from
Speaker 5: inside the house, because you had really three but two
Speaker 5: shots to like do your thing.
Speaker 3: You had two windows of two.
Speaker 5: Huge windows of opportunity, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 5: you look at it overlooked as overlooked. I get it
Speaker 5: though your.
Speaker 4: Mature, developed, highly intelligent, emostly intelligent person. Look how many
Speaker 4: other shows, yeah, dot dot dot it just when one
Speaker 4: gets the light on them, it makes people get jealous,
Speaker 4: They get angry. What about me? Why this bitch? Why her?
Speaker 4: Why not me? I can sing as good as her.
Speaker 4: She only got that because this or some guy likes her.
Speaker 4: Whatever the room, whatever the spin is, someone's gonna put
Speaker 4: you know. And a lot of times people say they'd
Speaker 4: be happy for you when you make it, But when
Speaker 4: it really happens, will they really feel that way? And
Speaker 4: are you being an asshole when you do make it?
Speaker 4: Are you flaunting shit? Are you throwing it in your
Speaker 4: sister's faces? We saw some ugly shit in that scene.
Speaker 4: We saw some scene, and then you know there's got
Speaker 4: to be more too that. That's what we're seeing on camera,
Speaker 4: So what is happening not on camera? Bit you wish
Speaker 4: you could be me. That's why I got an ideal
Speaker 4: and you did not. Who knows what the conversations are.
Speaker 4: You know who knows. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: I think one thing we can all agree on. They
Speaker 4: don't like each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what's funny, so listen. What what's
Speaker 1: so interesting is obviously Tamar and Tony are still talking.
Speaker 1: Because Tamar went to the Verses last Saturday and was
Speaker 1: with Birdman supporting him. They FaceTime Tony Braxton. Tony looked amazing.
Speaker 1: Tony Braxton is such a diva and a legend.
Speaker 2: I love her.
Speaker 4: The glass funglasses on in the house looking like.
Speaker 2: A bow cover. You can't take that away from that.
Speaker 2: Gorgeous you know what I'm saying. I mean, living legend.
Speaker 2: So the thing about siblings is this, you do get
Speaker 2: you you do find.
Speaker 1: A way to get over it. My hope for the
Speaker 1: girls is this. I do hope that they find their
Speaker 1: way back because I do think that the stuff that
Speaker 1: was exposed we didn't need to know. But I also
Speaker 1: I also know that when you're back up against the wall,
Speaker 1: like doesn't said.
Speaker 2: No one hurts no one. No one hurts you more
Speaker 2: than your family.
Speaker 1: And you sometimes will say shit to get under someone's skin.
Speaker 2: I've done it to my siblings.
Speaker 1: I'm not examt I'm not exampt from saying the most
Speaker 1: egregious things to a sibling who were arguing, and they
Speaker 1: said it to me. But we found our way to
Speaker 1: come back. And what's what's I'll tell you this. What's
Speaker 1: sad is the purpose of this reboot was to honor Tracy,
Speaker 1: and I feel sad that that's not the focus.
Speaker 3: I never believed that. Personally.
Speaker 5: I appreciated the sentiment being shared, but I never thought,
Speaker 5: for woman that they all sit down. They can't all
Speaker 5: sit down and talk right, they can't get along. So
Speaker 5: I never thought for one second they said that it
Speaker 5: was like we're gonna our sister by doing this show again. Yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: y'all want to work.
Speaker 4: I think honestly, I hate to give up on things,
Speaker 4: but it kind of seems like at this at this age,
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff's baked in, like we can say there,
Speaker 4: I kind of it's a done deal.
Speaker 3: Feeling I'm healing journey.
Speaker 4: Oh no, they don't, it is. I think at this point,
Speaker 4: it is what it is, and that's what it is,
Speaker 4: and that's it. Like, I don't think there's any hope,
Speaker 4: Like and I think the best they can do is
Speaker 4: maybe see the show and be like, damn, I don't
Speaker 4: like how that looks play nice for the show, so
Speaker 4: we could like, let's get back. It's like Housewives or Atlanta.
Speaker 4: Like it started off like so lighthearted and fun and
Speaker 4: like fungade. Then it got dark and negative and fighting
Speaker 4: and all that. Like the what made people love these
Speaker 4: shows is the ability for it to be funny and
Speaker 4: shading and then and then revisit and hang out again
Speaker 4: after it was and I was, it did get me
Speaker 4: a little hope to see Tony and and Tamar on
Speaker 4: that zoom. I mean I left face time with Berman
Speaker 4: and hopefully that they can all get like that because
Speaker 4: they both they all have a lot of personal they're
Speaker 4: all pretty funny, like sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all challenge and they're the closest Tony and
Speaker 1: Tamar of the of the sisters are the closest and
Speaker 1: the closest on the other.
Speaker 2: Side is Towanda and Trina. You know, so it is
Speaker 2: for like this split group.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, Trina.
Speaker 4: Yeah, damn, I don't think Tijuana is evil, though I
Speaker 4: do think that I do think she's frustrated. I think
Speaker 4: she's frustrated for many, many years. I think they all are.
Speaker 4: Like and it's kind of like the thing of what
Speaker 4: came first. The chicken of the egg like pointed, well,
Speaker 4: you did this to me first, and then I responded
Speaker 4: like this, and I'm sure to Wanta could be like,
Speaker 4: well you did did me like this, and that's why
Speaker 4: I said this about you, Like it's who knows where
Speaker 4: it really started. I think so many things have happened
Speaker 4: where they both can advocates of who started it, but
Speaker 4: it's very clear that you know, both sides have been
Speaker 4: very Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I don't like I don't like the mental illness comments.
Speaker 1: I just that was that that was the one where
Speaker 1: I was sort of like, this is listen, no shade,
Speaker 1: because I got siblings sometimes you know, give you.
Speaker 2: Buck a siblings. It's what it is that I'll just
Speaker 2: be real.
Speaker 1: That bothered me as much as the mental illness conversations did,
Speaker 1: because I just felt like that was just something that
Speaker 1: I don't think should be included in any argument, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like the notion of that.
Speaker 2: Whether or not it was Tiwanda's.
Speaker 1: You know, point of saying your sick in terms of
Speaker 1: making light of that, she has to say whether or
Speaker 1: not she meant it that way.
Speaker 3: But I just thought, like it didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just felt like all things.
Speaker 1: I just didn't I didn't like that because you know,
Speaker 1: Tamar has been open about dealing with men on this
Speaker 1: and and all those things, and I just think those
Speaker 1: type of conversations it wasn't a place for it.
Speaker 2: But I also think this.
Speaker 1: I think Claudia is right in the sense of these
Speaker 1: women some are over fifty.
Speaker 2: I think Tamar.
Speaker 5: Forty eight at the time of film. And remember when
Speaker 5: she when she showed her body off Tatrina and the
Speaker 5: heat of the argument and was like, you're jealous, bitch,
Speaker 5: I would be too forty eight. She tapped her butt cheeks.
Speaker 5: Do you remember that part? I remember that part? Did
Speaker 5: you see that part?
Speaker 2: Thank you for the color of the descripture? Yes, I'll do.
Speaker 2: That's what sort of like, thanks God.
Speaker 3: She was doing all that shit. Jealous bitches. Forty eight bitch,
Speaker 3: that's what she was doing.
Speaker 4: That's crazy talking here, y'all. That's that's a crazy fight.
Speaker 6: To have.
Speaker 2: That casting up.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I'd have been customed to wind
Speaker 5: out because she could have, you know, say, all you
Speaker 5: see is that purple, not.
Speaker 2: The purple, Not the purple. But what I will say
Speaker 2: I do give with Claudia.
Speaker 1: I think, Look, they're close to fifty over fifty, I
Speaker 1: think at this point, and it's sad to say, but
Speaker 1: I've had lived experience too, like you two did. I
Speaker 1: just think at some point you get to pick and
Speaker 1: choose who you want to be part of your own family.
Speaker 3: Can we give notes?
Speaker 5: Because while when you had had technical difficulties, at the
Speaker 5: top of the show, Claudia and I were talking a
Speaker 5: little bit more about the Braxtons in general, and I
Speaker 5: wanted to share this with you too before we get
Speaker 5: out of here.
Speaker 3: I'm tired of the formula. The formula needs to change
Speaker 3: when it comes to the Braxtons. Right.
Speaker 5: These are people of a certain age, right, people with children,
Speaker 5: you know, grandchildren. It doesn't treat to have grandchildren anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think when Trina sons may or may not be
Speaker 5: married or have a child, I don't know, but there
Speaker 5: are at a certain station in life.
Speaker 3: All we really have been getting from the.
Speaker 5: Braxtons is either the sisters arguing going for blood against
Speaker 5: each other, or else they're together and they're acting silly
Speaker 5: and singing when they talk.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Twanda did it in this episode when she was on
Speaker 5: the phone at the dress fitting for her Ladies of Honor,
Speaker 5: which do what you want to do, but it's just
Speaker 5: confusing when everything's different right, like nothing is just what
Speaker 5: it is? Everything, Well, no, we're gonna call him this
Speaker 5: when we're gonna wear this. We now we're gonna do it.
Speaker 5: Everything is off and they Daddy should have took his
Speaker 5: head off before he walked down the aisle too. But anyway,
Speaker 5: we see Tuanda at the dress shop trying and stuff on, right,
Speaker 5: and when she's talking to Tony on the phone, that's
Speaker 5: how you know somebody is like not really present when
Speaker 5: they talk to She was going yet we at the
Speaker 5: bridal show getting ready for the bridgeting shower. Tone said, Hi,
Speaker 5: everything is singing, nothing is really real. She don't be
Speaker 5: doing that ship When she talked to Trina, her and
Speaker 5: Trina just be kicking it talking. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: That represents am I off here? Or does that and
Speaker 5: not represent a connection.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, don't talk to that much. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we need to stop.
Speaker 5: If they not arguing with each other, they singing songs
Speaker 5: and making us they being silly and childish in a
Speaker 5: way they used to be charming when the show first started.
Speaker 5: That's what we love the most about seeing them be
Speaker 5: together and make up those songs, like you said, which
Speaker 5: we all love and still remember.
Speaker 3: We love seeing that.
Speaker 5: But now ten ten years later, the fighting or either
Speaker 5: acting childlike is really getting played out when there's a
Speaker 5: whole bunch of story in between all of that.
Speaker 3: Carlos, you're a producer.
Speaker 5: You see all this story that these sisters have that
Speaker 5: is not the cut whatsoever.
Speaker 3: We gotta change up the formula because the rest of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's listen, Obviously I agree with that. I want
Speaker 1: to see them have fun as seeing and and.
Speaker 2: Create a new formula.
Speaker 1: You know, you're seeing some of that with the Kardashians
Speaker 1: and their new season. Whether people like it or not,
Speaker 1: is it's different than keeping up. But to Dus's point,
Speaker 1: that's a new formula involved in that one. So on
Speaker 1: one hand, it's like, yes, you follow the reality. The
Speaker 1: reality is this happened but I think to Dust's point,
Speaker 1: on the other hand, you saw them trying the elements
Speaker 1: of like the BTS, the producers being involved, so you're
Speaker 1: seeing something different than bracket family values.
Speaker 2: But I think tonally, yes, some things have to change.
Speaker 2: I agree with you, Dustin.
Speaker 4: Yes. And it's not just them, it's the black It's
Speaker 4: a genre. Every show is, Oh, such and such, Red
Speaker 4: herd down cussed her around and she went on and
Speaker 4: I'm like, black folks, we are more than just fighting. Yes,
Speaker 4: we are passionate people. Yes we get emotional. Yes, we
Speaker 4: go from zero to four hundred, and you know, we
Speaker 4: put a little stank on everything. That's why we're the
Speaker 4: best people to watch on shows like Families few so emotional.
Speaker 4: But god damn it is that all we are is fighting,
Speaker 4: catching someone cheating, cussing someone out, embarrassing someone on camera,
Speaker 4: and like reading someone down. Like every single show is
Speaker 4: that nowadays. Every show is that. It's so like switch
Speaker 4: switch the name of the show, Like just insert the
Speaker 4: same storyline different different cast members, and it's dead. And
Speaker 4: that's why people are not as excited about any hardly
Speaker 4: enemy shows anymore, because we gotta get back to it's
Speaker 4: funny That's why with your show with Bells Carlos, it's
Speaker 4: nice that we still have we have some drama, but
Speaker 4: there is still some opportunity for humor. That's what we're missing.
Speaker 4: Like if I want to see fighting all day, I
Speaker 4: can throw on CNN. I can throw on the news.
Speaker 4: And we want to escape from that. Like all we
Speaker 4: see is bickering, bickering, bickering, bickering with everything, and it's like, damn,
Speaker 4: Like it's cool, there's a balance, Okay, fight, but then
Speaker 4: y'all went to a strip club and y'all laughed your asses.
Speaker 3: Off, exactly enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Okay, but when.
Speaker 4: It's only it's the scales. The scales are just so unbalanced,
Speaker 4: and that's all we get. And that's why I don't
Speaker 4: really like Honestly, that's the main reason why I'm so
Speaker 4: late on a lot of reality shows because I'm like,
Speaker 4: I just assume they're all I doing is arguing, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So I'm seeing that not all.
Speaker 4: It's not ten.
Speaker 5: Y'all, and I love it. No secret, y'all know. I
Speaker 5: watch all the fighting shit. I love zoos so watching
Speaker 5: now that's TV. I watch all that ship but let
Speaker 5: it be that called the show the Braxton ass beating
Speaker 5: and put it on zeus. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: And let's let let's make it that if that's what
Speaker 5: we're gonna watch otherwise, values right, and y'all rooted in
Speaker 5: the church. One minute, y'all want to be rooted in
Speaker 5: the church, and everything is about the Lord and gospeling
Speaker 5: our upbringing. But Tay Mason versus where their tongue stuck
Speaker 5: out bobbing to the same music I'm singing every word
Speaker 5: to in my worldly home. So you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: I don't balance the balance here in this alignment.
Speaker 3: Be who you are. We love the Braxton's.
Speaker 5: As much as Tamar has done things that have been
Speaker 5: difficult to enjoy, I still love Tamar Braxton's talent, right.
Speaker 5: I think she's an incredible singer. I think she's a
Speaker 5: brilliant television personality. I think Trina Braxton is hilarious. I
Speaker 5: think Tawanda Braxton is interesting. I think Tony Braxton is iconic.
Speaker 5: I want to watch the show. I want to see
Speaker 5: them and see what's going on in their lives beyond
Speaker 5: what we know about them. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: I don't want to see them clawing blood out of
Speaker 5: each other's necks as sisters.
Speaker 3: I just don't want to see that.
Speaker 5: So but shout out to them, Like I said, I
Speaker 5: want to show to continue. May they have multiple seasons.
Speaker 5: May it continue, and hopefully we end up seeing them
Speaker 5: find some sort of peace and some sort of bridge
Speaker 5: of harmony and togetherness as sisters, because they are. While
Speaker 5: they're cussing each other out. Some of that pain might
Speaker 5: be from grief. I'd imagine that they lost their niece,
Speaker 5: the actually their niece, actually her sister is the one
Speaker 5: who passed away, Tracy passed away. They experienced a lot
Speaker 5: of loss, so some of that acting out that we
Speaker 5: see is more than likely rooted in that. My wish
Speaker 5: is for them to find healing and get along and
Speaker 5: keep singing.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. That's what I hope for them.
Speaker 5: That's why we so fucking frustrated when we've seen Tamar
Speaker 5: turner on and show her ass cheeks to Trina talking
Speaker 5: about forty eight bitch hitting her. But we didn't want
Speaker 5: to see her them speaking to each other like that.
Speaker 3: We want to see them figuring it out.
Speaker 4: Damn out. I was just about to stand up and
Speaker 4: show my fifty two year old Now.
Speaker 3: You gotta call me your nigga, a motherfuck nigga.
Speaker 2: Look at.
Speaker 4: You should have chicks like this. J I didn't. Yes
Speaker 4: you did?
Speaker 2: You put my head? Get along?
Speaker 4: We want you to get along. The fans actually, at
Speaker 4: this point getting along would be breaking news. And we
Speaker 4: would love to run with that. We would love to
Speaker 4: run with that.
Speaker 1: And and and I'll say this just because they had
Speaker 1: this moment of you know, verbal dispute or whatever, and
Speaker 1: and Tamar pulling and kicking. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: we saw Kim and Courtney slap the ship on each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but please you already know night.
Speaker 1: So like so for the audience, like, calm down, That's
Speaker 1: what I said.
Speaker 2: I was less about a siblings fight two years ago.
Speaker 4: Half of Kim's face was on the wall, the makeup
Speaker 4: was on the wall.
Speaker 5: We ain't unfairly holding him to a standard as anyone else.
Speaker 5: They're not representing black people. It's not that type of conversation.
Speaker 5: I person. I speak for myself. I'm pretty sure I
Speaker 5: could speak for y'all too. I don't really funk about
Speaker 5: none of that. We're just talking about the Braxtons.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Yes, we're not We're not.
Speaker 5: We're not punishing them for you know, Vince represented. No,
Speaker 5: this ain't that everybody. Everybody, everybody, All that stuff happens.
Speaker 5: We just talking about what we saw.
Speaker 4: I never I have a half sister, but I didn't
Speaker 4: know it was like when I was older. So I
Speaker 4: never have like any fights like me and my brother
Speaker 4: when we were little, but not really like I don't
Speaker 4: know that life. I really don't. Even with my friends.
Speaker 4: I rarely have fights with arguments with my friends, like
Speaker 4: when I lose big deal from me, like I be
Speaker 4: going through it because I'm like, how did I lose
Speaker 4: a friend deal?
Speaker 5: I'm the youngest, like my siblings ain't never made me
Speaker 5: feel like no, that little boys ship.
Speaker 3: Or what we always been down. Friends always been like a.
Speaker 2: Very support them. Yeah I met the one that came
Speaker 2: to Atlanta.
Speaker 5: Yeah my sister, Yeah, my older sister. Yeah, she's the
Speaker 5: oldest and I'm the youngest. So you've seen You've seen
Speaker 5: it for yourself. You know what it is, you know,
Speaker 5: so I don't. My experience might be a little bit.
Speaker 5: That don't mean we don't get on each other's nerves
Speaker 5: and have disagreements and challenges in our relationship. Of course
Speaker 5: you do. But I'll be damn, it ain't nothing I
Speaker 5: can say. It ain't ain't nothing nobody could do to
Speaker 5: make me turn on my brother and my sister.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the lot I know, we gotta go.
Speaker 4: But a lot of like I say about relationships on
Speaker 4: reality shows, a lot of this is just as later
Speaker 4: because they're on television and they're doing it in front
Speaker 4: of people like I don't. I think it's it's a
Speaker 4: thing of I can't get read down, okay, and then
Speaker 4: the comments, oh you're gonna let your sister talk to
Speaker 4: you like that? I think things get escalated and extra
Speaker 4: batteries get put on backs because of the TV show.
Speaker 4: I Best you was not ugly before they got on TV.
Speaker 4: It's probably ugly, but this level is.
Speaker 5: Just that's why you got to be all right up
Speaker 5: here with it, you know what I'm saying to where
Speaker 5: you're not motivated by I think Tamar and Tuanda, based
Speaker 5: on what I seen what I saw on the show,
Speaker 5: they appeared to be motivated by a desire to win
Speaker 5: the argument and shame the other one, And that's ego
Speaker 5: and pride, you know what I'm saying, and history as well,
Speaker 5: if that's rooted and ego and pride.
Speaker 3: You can't be in a headspace. You gotta be.
Speaker 5: Present and remember who you're talking to, Remember what the
Speaker 5: relation it ship is, remember how much you value it,
Speaker 5: and that will impact the way that you communicate with
Speaker 5: a person. Of course, you're human and you have emotions,
Speaker 5: you have feelings and thoughts and shit, but you need
Speaker 5: to be able to take another step in thought and
Speaker 5: consider the person, consider the relationship, consider what needs to
Speaker 5: take place for things to be good as opposed to
Speaker 5: for you to avenge something, and then you can make progress.
Speaker 5: And I think that we just didn't see that in
Speaker 5: these four episodes from The Sisters. We saw no bitch,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get you. You know what I'm saying. That
Speaker 5: that's what we saw.
Speaker 4: I know, Mama Evla must be so stressed out, like
Speaker 4: seeing her daughters fighting like it's probably like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially when she was going through the heart issues
Speaker 1: this m oh no, those those are her those are
Speaker 1: her baby, those are her girls.
Speaker 2: And that's why I look.
Speaker 1: I will say this, Sometimes you have to see yourself
Speaker 1: on television and be like.
Speaker 2: Got it?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Like, so my hope is that the sisters wire all
Speaker 1: able to look at this and hopefully move on from
Speaker 1: it and see the errors of some of the way.
Speaker 1: But look, we have I think six more episodes to
Speaker 1: go to this season. The only thing we know is,
Speaker 1: as of today, the only thing we know is Tamar
Speaker 1: and Tony are speaking to each other.
Speaker 2: We have to watch and see what happens.
Speaker 1: But in next week's episode, it does appear that Tamar
Speaker 1: is not at tomorrow's wedding.
Speaker 4: So oh, should I spill the beans on that? Didn't I?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's that's already been.
Speaker 2: Teased for the show.
Speaker 4: Honestly, when I was there, I was thinking, n like
Speaker 4: maybe because they were filming while we were there, right
Speaker 4: my releases put our phones away. Part of me was like, no, man, like,
Speaker 4: at the last minute, she's gonna walk through and it's
Speaker 4: gonna be like a big you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I thought that I was actually kind of hoping for
Speaker 4: that for them. Yeah, yeah, because like it felt a
Speaker 4: little like, damn, how am I here and she's not?
Speaker 4: You know, I felt kind of yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So no, Look, my thoughts and prayers are
Speaker 1: with the entire Brason family. And look, my advice is
Speaker 1: this too shall pass and and just really try to
Speaker 1: I'll say, I'll end by saying this for me, I
Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, there's a respectful
Speaker 1: relationship to have. I think, based on people being fifty plus,
Speaker 1: I'm not here to ever advocate that you must be
Speaker 1: best friends with your sibling at this point. I think,
Speaker 1: I think, I think if that's not what's happening right now,
Speaker 1: it's okay to say I love.
Speaker 2: Her, but I can love from a distance.
Speaker 3: I'm cool with that me too. I'm actually fine with that.
Speaker 5: I would prefer that because if you're harboring some resentment
Speaker 5: and shit, I don't want you pretending to get along
Speaker 5: with me and being around me. I'd rather you be
Speaker 5: upfront like ya, I don't fuck with you. I'm not
Speaker 5: going to hay seven, I don't fuck with you. I'm
Speaker 5: not going to so get from around me.
Speaker 3: I'd rather you do that. So I agree, y'all.
Speaker 4: I don't think you should have to force something because
Speaker 4: of your family.
Speaker 3: Like I either. I don't believe in that you stress me.
Speaker 4: Out, you my cousin, my aunt, my mother, or my brother. Sorry,
Speaker 4: I'm not living, which.
Speaker 5: Is why you appreciate the ones that do you right
Speaker 5: even more, and you take advantage of opportunities to show
Speaker 5: love to your friends and family who when things are good.
Speaker 3: You should make note of that.
Speaker 5: You shouldn't always tell a person how you feel about
Speaker 5: them because y'all are in conflict and it's negative. Tell
Speaker 5: people how much you love them, tell them how much
Speaker 5: you appreciate the role that they play in your life.
Speaker 5: When it comes to your friends and family, that's important
Speaker 5: to me. I feel like my friends and family that
Speaker 5: I love and fuck with like that are supposed to
Speaker 5: know it because it affirms the relationship and makes people
Speaker 5: feel safe when it's honest. You know, when somebody's blowing
Speaker 5: smoke up your ass, but big your friends up, big
Speaker 5: your family up. You know what I'm saying, And just
Speaker 5: make sure that that heartbeat is there and those relationships
Speaker 5: because as you can see, the absence of it looks crazy.
Speaker 3: So agreed.
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Oh listen, I love you too, as if we were
Speaker 1: all from the same well, so.
Speaker 2: Know that.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Two areas and a libra baby, Okay.
Speaker 2: Ray drops. We will see y'all on Monday. Have a
Speaker 2: great weekend and happy Halloween. And don't forget daylight saving
Speaker 2: times on Sunday.
Speaker 4: That's right, Happy Halloween, y'all. See you Monday.
Speaker 2: I Love y'all.
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