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Speaker 1: Well look, ray jobs, you have the three of us

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Speaker 2: First of all, Happy Halloween. We're we're not.

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Speaker 3: A costume, Nope, but what's up boo?

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Speaker 4: Happy Halloween? Hey, candy is like fifteen dollars a bag.

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Speaker 4: Are y'all giving these little mofuckers and the candy this year?

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Speaker 3: And a right? Are you even opening the door.

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Speaker 1: So back in the day the way that it used

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Speaker 1: to work that I want to know if that's still

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Speaker 1: the case. The porch light has to be on in

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Speaker 1: order for that's that's the welcoming sign.

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Speaker 5: Okay it should be, but they don't give a fuck.

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Speaker 5: You know, rules and traditions are going out of the window.

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Speaker 5: They'll ring the doorbell and bang on it with the

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Speaker 4: My front door is really scary, Like it's like a

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Speaker 4: if I don't have the lights on the inside, Like

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Speaker 4: then just like you know, scare them.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you should you should.

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Speaker 4: I do have film and I'll share it with you

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Speaker 4: guys on Monday.

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Speaker 5: I remember it. You just made me think about it.

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Speaker 5: I remember that door.

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Speaker 1: I have to go to Dallas when I know I

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Speaker 1: have to make a trip. I do miss having some

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Speaker 4: I mean they say I beg you to hang out,

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Speaker 4: so I'm not gonna say it anymore, but like thirsty

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Speaker 4: that the comments got your number, begging follows to hang out.

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Speaker 4: You don't want to hang with her begging for a job.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, do you not know our sense of humor

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Speaker 4: by now right? No?

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Speaker 1: We all have a humor. And that's why for Halloween,

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Speaker 1: I am Dustin Wroth Claudia, so like, you know, I

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Speaker 1: calling me Justin and ship I'm gonna fuck nigga.

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Speaker 2: I don't really fucking hamas don people, because you know

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Speaker 2: I'm the man and I got everything going on, you know,

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Speaker 2: So I so Ray Drowns. I am Dustin Ross for Halloween.

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Speaker 3: I love it, and I this hard.

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Speaker 5: Know I need somebody to play me in a movie

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Speaker 5: Whitney used to be looking at people singing her songs

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Speaker 3: I want to do that just now, so I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: There you go, allay, Halloween, that was MIA's Dustin, Claudia

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Speaker 1: be carlos.

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Speaker 2: Key for Halloween.

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Speaker 4: Yes, bitch, Oh my god. I love all the girls. Oh,

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Speaker 4: I love everybody, and I am not gonna talk about

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Speaker 4: about anyone even when they're wrong. Yes, bitch, yes, hold on,

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Speaker 4: I got some kim Y in my teeth. I am

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Speaker 4: but don't worry about who I was in Europe with.

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Speaker 4: But anyways, yes, are you ready? Are you ready?

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmm mm hmm. And no.

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Speaker 5: And notifications yep, yes, notifications.

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Speaker 4: On Tuesday. I'm not gonna say who it is.

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Speaker 2: But that was good. That was good, Glaudia, that was good. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So so Dustin, you turn to be Claudia.

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Speaker 5: Okay, look, let me see what the comments are saying.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to check it quite of the comments

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Speaker 3: Know funk that. Listen if she doesn't want to go

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Speaker 5: Yes, look, well we'll do the real impressions when we

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Speaker 3: That's right, that'll be good.

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Speaker 2: Actually, no, that'll be good. That'll be good. It goes

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Speaker 5: Yes, and party is right because on our show, we'll

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that city has good men, Like that's where

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Speaker 5: Had to Well, they tell you up front the fruit

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Speaker 4: They else have good weed and good mushrooms.

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Speaker 3: See what else do you need? Industry? We men, you

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Speaker 4: Good Italian food, good Indian food.

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Speaker 5: Trying to tell you, lady Vans, bring your wife.

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Speaker 5: If you want to say, you'd like to thank the

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Speaker 4: you know, and I know I know everybody likes being rammed.

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Speaker 2: But listen, don't be sad. We will be back on Monday.

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Speaker 4: So you've been I think we're gonna be a time

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Speaker 1: We are going to be on time every Monday. Maybe

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Speaker 1: this past Monday, due to the overwhelming demand, we are

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Speaker 1: here to discuss the latest episode of The Braxtons and

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Speaker 2: The show came back last year.

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Speaker 1: This is season two of The Braxtons and it features Twanda, Tamar, Tony,

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Speaker 1: and Trina. As we all know, the great Tracy has

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Speaker 2: Listen. This season it's unhinged.

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Speaker 1: It's like nothing I ever expected anticipated, and to be

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Speaker 2: I'll speak for myself. I'd love to get your thoughts. Obviously, guys, I.

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Speaker 1: Fell in love with this show because how funny they were,

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Speaker 1: They would have funny commentary when it comes to the mother.

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Speaker 1: You know, they made up a song called a dingling song,

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Speaker 1: When you learned that this season was coming back, were

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Speaker 5: Well, listen, I was happy to see To answer your question, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I was happy to see them return, right before A

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Speaker 3: So I want the show to continue. I want them to.

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Speaker 5: Continue on making money and income and their own rights,

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Speaker 5: We watched Tony flat out tell us, Hey, if they

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Speaker 4: A man. I didn't. I didn't watch the show before.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've had you know, me and Tamar have

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Speaker 4: This seems like ten times more draining than would be

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Speaker 4: It's like it's ugly and then it's not over for them,

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Speaker 1: A cease and desist is a form of documentation. It's

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Speaker 4: I don't know how they don't know who is from

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Speaker 4: I got one when I was in real house, Ius

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Speaker 2: Look at so much, look look Claudia so much from

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Speaker 1: Right, okay, just tonight, go ahead, that's it.

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Speaker 5: So okay, let's zoom out here, right, Number one, A ceasing,

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Speaker 3: You could are Are you are vulnerable.

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Speaker 5: To receive as ceased and desist from somebody who didn't

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Speaker 5: But but sorry, Seria had activated on my computer anyway.

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Speaker 3: Come from one of the.

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Speaker 2: Sisters, listen, that's a great question.

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Speaker 1: I emphatically do not believe that the production had anything

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Speaker 2: Secondly, they the production company filmed Ashley to Tamar about this.

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Speaker 2: They didn't know. They were very calm about it.

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Speaker 5: And when Towanda made that allegation against Tamar about sleeping

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Speaker 5: And I think that's kind of what you're referring to

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Speaker 2: Yeah I would have said absolutely not. I didn't do that,

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Speaker 1: So I always look at things what people are not

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Speaker 1: And you also have a look at the show. They

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Speaker 1: This is Reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.

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Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show.

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Speaker 4: My lawyers call and I text him to ask him.

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Speaker 4: Should I ask him on the air?

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Speaker 2: Yes, go ahead. Please let him know he's being recorded.

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Speaker 4: Please Chris, where I'm recording right now? You're on my

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Speaker 4: I'm on air, so I just have to let you know. Okay,

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Speaker 4: my question about cease and assists, like, can someone.

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Speaker 2: Or not anybody?

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Speaker 4: You don't have to be a just a lawyer, right,

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Speaker 6: No, you you really should sign your season desist so

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Speaker 4: We're discussing a show where these ladies are saying that

438
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Speaker 4: their family lawyer sent a season syst and everyone's asking

439
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 4: like they don't know where it came from. So I

440
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 4: was wondering if it can ask them?

441
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Speaker 5: By law do people have to identify the origin of it?

442
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 4: They have to identify the origin of the seasons law law.

443
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 6: Well, you need to understand the issue. If I'm going

444
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Speaker 6: to send a season desist and put on.

445
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Speaker 2: The air right now, is just bring entertainment purposes only?

446
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 6: Yes, you know, but if that's the situation, it becomes

447
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 6: I have to say, you want to hearby demanded deceasion

448
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 6: this whatever action that it is that I'm going to

449
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 6: describe in a letter. You know, let's just say calling

450
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 6: Claudia Jordan difamatory names. You know, you have to let

451
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 6: them know what the issue is that they need to

452
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 6: be ceasing and desist things from doing.

453
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Speaker 2: Okay, not by law even know what the situation is.

454
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Speaker 1: By the law, does the person who sentence have to

455
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Speaker 1: be disclosed?

456
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Speaker 6: Does the person who's sens it? Well, it really should

457
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Speaker 6: be the lawyer or the individual that the subject matter is.

458
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Speaker 4: About, Like say say say y'all, was like, Okay, Carlos

459
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 4: King isn't talking about me and I needed to stop. Chris,

460
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 4: can you drop up a season assist? So you sent

461
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Speaker 4: the seasons and say I'm I'm a lawyer. I need

462
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 4: you to stop talking about Claudia. And does it say

463
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 4: yes for you you? But does it have to does

464
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 4: that say does that basically say that it's like on

465
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Speaker 4: my behal like I originated that behalf.

466
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Speaker 6: I represent Claudia, Jordan and Carlos stop saying the famatory

467
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 6: things about sometimes it's I mean, I've seen sometimes a manager.

468
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 4: Write it, but it just can't be anonymous.

469
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 2: George's signed anonymous.

470
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 6: No, that's not the way it works.

471
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 4: So someone's name is on it. If someone has to

472
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 4: put a name on it.

473
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Speaker 6: Yeah, somebody, somebody has society that have to tell the

474
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Speaker 6: person that is directed to what action that they need

475
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Speaker 6: to cease and desist doing.

476
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Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, I'm gonna call you something get the air.

477
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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, No, thank you so so. But that

478
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 2: being said, that's my look. I I watched the show.

479
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: So even when Tawanda and Trina we're talking about it

480
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: end they're seeing the first episode, they were very careful

481
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: with their words about what was going on, because the

482
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Speaker 1: the the what's allegedly going on is the fact that

483
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: it's allegedly the somebody that one of the sisters used

484
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Speaker 1: to be married to, right, And what they're saying is

485
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: that this person is not here to defend themselves. Now,

486
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: with that being said, their questioning whether or not Tamar's

487
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: intentions was to really help out her fellow niece or

488
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: did she do that to embarrass her family.

489
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Speaker 2: That's one of your thoughts.

490
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Speaker 1: Do you think Tamar had the best intentions in helping

491
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Speaker 1: out the niece with her story or do you think

492
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: that there.

493
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Speaker 2: Was malice intent?

494
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 3: Yes to both.

495
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Speaker 5: Okay, okay, okay, I do okay, because I do believe Listen,

496
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 5: you got to consider the history, You got to consider

497
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 5: the players involved. I do believe that there was a

498
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 5: part of Tamar that wanted to help her niece.

499
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Speaker 3: I do. I believe that.

500
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Speaker 5: I also believe there's a part of Tamar that knew

501
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 5: it was going to drive certain people in her family

502
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 5: up a wall if this story was brought back up.

503
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Speaker 5: And I think that because of certain existence, certain existing

504
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 5: issues that she was about say exist shoes, certain existing issues.

505
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Speaker 3: Like now, really, we didn't swap anyway.

506
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Speaker 5: I think that because of some things that were already

507
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 5: going on with her and her sisters, she wanted to

508
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 5: piss them off. You don't get on TV cussing your

509
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 5: sisters out the way that she was cussing them out

510
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 5: at that dinner scene in this episode and in the

511
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 5: last episode without there being some real deep shit in

512
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 5: the waters between you and your siblings. And so, yeah,

513
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 5: she wanted to help her niece. She also knew that

514
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 5: that was some really uncomfortable, painful information for certain people

515
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 5: in her family, and so I think she wanted to

516
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 5: piss them off.

517
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Speaker 3: Yes, like a.

518
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Speaker 4: Two for one, like, yeah, I am fighting for the

519
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 4: integrity and to protect I am being a protective aunt

520
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 4: her niece, right, yeah, Auntie. But also the secondary benefit

521
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 4: would be to piss these half off because I issue

522
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Speaker 4: with them. I could see that too, because I don't

523
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Speaker 4: think like you know, if listen and if I found

524
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 4: out one of my family members was you know, had

525
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 4: some somebody was touching her or what have you, allegedly

526
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 4: and everyone kept it from me, I'm I'm flipping tables too.

527
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be mad too. So I think that's a

528
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 4: legitimate response to be upset. But then you also have

529
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 4: this other layer of if you guys are public figures

530
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 4: on television, you have a show, and what you choose,

531
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Speaker 4: how you choose, move forward. Okay, I'm gona put her

532
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: on a podcast. I'm exposed. I'm gonna blow the whole

533
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 4: family up and not care because I don't really rock

534
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,239
Speaker 4: with them any one. I feel like they don't rock

535
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Speaker 4: with me. So yeah, I could see that too.

536
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: She said she.

537
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Speaker 5: Wanted to help her niece, and in the converse, she

538
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 5: Tamar made sure that she filmed the scene on the

539
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 5: show where she was sitting down at a restaurant with

540
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Speaker 5: her niece and stating on camera that she wanted to

541
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Speaker 5: help her niece and offer her some help and resources

542
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 5: that she Tamar I'm speaking of she herself had not

543
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 5: had available to her when she needed some help. Previously,

544
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 5: she's alluded to being in a similar position of some

545
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 5: sort in some way with her niece at some point

546
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 5: in her life, and so she definitely laid that out

547
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 5: on camera. But Tamar also is a television producer. She's

548
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 5: produced multiple reality shows for herself, and she's been a

549
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 5: producer on The Braxtons the entire time, So Tamar understood

550
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 5: the importance of that qualifying information being included in what

551
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 5: was available to be shown on air, right because I'm

552
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 5: not sure how much control they have over the edits,

553
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 5: but Tamar knew she had to film a scene saying, hey, niece,

554
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 5: I want.

555
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 3: To help you, and this is why we're doing this.

556
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,719
Speaker 5: This is why I want to have you come on

557
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 5: my show, because then when her intention is questioned, she

558
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 5: has something to reference now saying no, look, I only

559
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 5: wanted to help her.

560
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: You can see I talked about it on the show.

561
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 5: But the behavior that we saw displayed in that dinner

562
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 5: scene contradicts that being her sole intention because she referenced

563
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 5: specific things that she took umbrage. No pun intended, because

564
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 5: you know they called Tajuana umba, but she took umbrage

565
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 5: with certain things you know what I'm mean saying with

566
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 5: her sisters, and it motivated the way she reacted and

567
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 5: responded to things.

568
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 3: A cease and desist.

569
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Speaker 5: Although although it is a defining, you know document, it's

570
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 5: just not a it happens, It's not something that's very serious. Okay,

571
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 5: it can be serious, but it also can be a

572
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 5: way to just tell a person you don't like what

573
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 5: they're doing or saying. And I feel like Tamar took

574
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 5: that seats and desist and the receipt of the of

575
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 5: that seat that cease and desist, right, she took that

576
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 5: moment and stretched it as far as she could. Y'all

577
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 5: trying to shut down my businesses. I'm a producer, I'm

578
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 5: a singer. This is how I make my money. No,

579
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 5: it's not Tamar's podcast that she has has changed names.

580
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 5: It's not people watch it, you know, And it's a

581
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 5: great conversation between her and some of her close friends.

582
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 5: But it's not something that is the sole source of

583
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 5: all her income. I would, I would, I would challenge

584
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 5: that as a fact. So I don't think they've got

585
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 5: to shut her businesses down.

586
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: So I thought, I think that was.

587
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 4: A bit over the top to say that, because Tamar

588
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 4: is a singer, a great singer, she has reality shows,

589
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 4: She's constantly booked and busy, So I don't think that

590
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 4: would shut her down, I think. But you know, Tamar,

591
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 4: to her credit for reality TV, is good at bringing

592
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 4: the drama, being dramatic, and I feel that I do

593
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 4: feel bad if this was very painful for the niece

594
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 4: in real life, and it kind of feels a little yucky,

595
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 4: like her situation kind of got exploited for, like get

596
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 4: back with each other.

597
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, to be fair, she introduced the inform we had

598
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 5: no idea about any of these alleged occurrences. Right her niece, Ashley,

599
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 5: who had been living in Spain I believe for the

600
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 5: past what teen years or something like that, she brought

601
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 5: the started making tick type videos speaking about her experience.

602
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: And that's what kind of set all this off.

603
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 5: As a person who's been viewing the brag since it

604
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 5: does feel like Tamar used it to her advantage, it

605
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 5: does it exploited it.

606
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, yeah, I have a piggyback off of

607
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: what doesn't saying, just so you were aware. To Claudia,

608
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: the niece did the TikTok video saying that allegedly that

609
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: one of her aunts, her aunties cut her off after

610
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: the auntie's partner was inappropriate with her at the age

611
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: of sixteen, and that's when everybody started to throw names

612
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: out there without her name is Ashley, without actually even

613
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: saying the.

614
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: Name, and just to catch people on.

615
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: This is what Ashley did say on the TikTok. So Claudia,

616
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: I want you to know too. This is what she

617
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: said on TikTok before the season even started.

618
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: So I want to tell a story.

619
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Speaker 1: Today, and the story is about how one of my

620
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: aunts and my family do not talk to me because

621
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: they think that I, at the age of sixteen, did

622
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: something with a partner at the time.

623
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Speaker 2: And I believe.

624
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: Hold on a second, and I'm sorry, and I have

625
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: been a nervous wreck to talk about something like this

626
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: and to tell this story A because of my family.

627
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: B because I don't want to hurt people. It's not

628
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: to hurt people to tell my story. But at the

629
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: same time, I've been working through this so much in

630
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: therapy and this is something that goes way deep to

631
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: my core and in terms of worthiness and how I

632
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: feel about myself.

633
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: So she listen.

634
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: That's how she started to offer TikTok, and again she

635
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: started off by saying that one of her aunts.

636
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: Just doesn't talk to her because.

637
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: Of what you know allegedly occurred when she was sixteen

638
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: years of age.

639
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 4: And that happens in black families all the time, and

640
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 4: I'm sticking it. So I'm glad that someone put them up.

641
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 4: Put the behavior on blast because that is not cute

642
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 4: and I never are. Then Tamar's right, you know what

643
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 4: I mean as far as like looking out for the niece,

644
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 4: that was the soul intent was like, look, I really

645
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 4: care about this and I'm gonna elevate your voice. And

646
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 4: whoever said the cease and sist to Tamar about shutting

647
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 4: it down and not talk about it, I think they

648
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 4: were wrong. I think they were dead wrong. For I mean, yes,

649
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 4: the person is no longer with us allegedly right, but

650
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 4: like that she shouldn't be able to talk about it

651
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 4: because the person died.

652
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 5: I think the if not, I think it's funny that

653
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 5: when Tamar did voice her concerns with being issued.

654
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 3: To cease and desist, the cease and desist.

655
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 5: Now one time did she say, y'all stop me from

656
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 5: helping Ashley.

657
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: Y'all tell her story.

658
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 5: She kept saying, y'all shutting my business down. I'm a singer,

659
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 5: I'm a producer, I'm this. It was the focus was

660
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 5: only on helping Ashley her our view the viewers, we

661
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 5: only saw that being her focus and intention in the

662
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 5: scene when she said down at the restaurant with her

663
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 5: niece and when they began their discourse on stage at

664
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 5: Tamar's live podcast. Any other time she's spoken about the

665
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 5: cease and desist on the show, her focus has been

666
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 5: her being wronged by her sisters, as opposed to a

667
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 5: block being put in place between her and offering some

668
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 5: sort of help or assistance to her niece.

669
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: And I find that a bit telling. Personally.

670
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 5: I think that Tamar, when her personality is corralled appropriately

671
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 5: and housed appropriately, I think she is a She's a

672
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 5: dynamite television personality. I think she was incredible on the

673
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 5: real as a host, And I think that she is

674
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 5: one of the best singers really of our time. She

675
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 5: has an incredible a beautiful singing. Personalities are subjective. People

676
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 5: might like her, might not like her, but she's good

677
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 5: at those two things. What we've seen her not be

678
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 5: as successful as is being a friend, being a sister,

679
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 5: being lawyer, maintaining privacy when it comes to personal things

680
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 5: between her and someone else. She constantly runs to the

681
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 5: Internet whenever she has issues with anything or anyone, and

682
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 5: that makes resolution and resolved difficult because now you're inviting

683
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 5: in a myriad of opinions and other perspectives to something

684
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 5: that could have been handled between two people.

685
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: So I'm challenged.

686
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 5: Really, if I'm being honest, I've seen Tamar habitually cross

687
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 5: lines and boundaries of disrespect with her sisters over the years. Right,

688
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 5: we can go back to the scene when she went

689
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 5: around the table and pointed out something that was wrong

690
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 5: with everybody's husband at the table, personal things like them being,

691
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 5: you know, having infidelities or having not been able to

692
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 5: keep a job.

693
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 3: You know these are you, I know.

694
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: But listen, I'll say this.

695
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm a fan of the show. Yeah, listen, I

696
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: will say this. At the time, as I was watching it,

697
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: I did laugh because I I didn't.

698
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 2: This is my opinion. I didn't take it as deep.

699
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: But I'm often on the receiving end and I'm feel Yes,

700
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: But the scene rain Drops is where she said, your

701
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: man's a cheetah.

702
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: Your man a computer with.

703
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: Because allegedly one of the husbands was like on the

704
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: internet talk to other women.

705
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 3: Now, I'm gonna tell you what I got a problem with.

706
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 5: Right, here's what I have a problem with, because Tamar

707
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 5: is not the only person at fault in this situation. Right,

708
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 5: The main conflict that we witness was between her and

709
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 5: her sister Twanda. Okay, and this is not something new.

710
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 5: This has been a recurring conflict or a recurrent theme

711
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 5: since the first our introduction to the Braxtons. Right, money, access, ego, pride,

712
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 5: all those things play a part in this conversation because,

713
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 5: as you see, when Tamar was lashing out or reacting

714
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 5: to being sent to seas and this is by somebody

715
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 5: connected to the sisters and their attorney or former attorney.

716
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 5: At one point, Tamar started talking about everything else. Y'all

717
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 5: are jealous of me. She started referencing her looks, She

718
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 5: started referencing monies that were giving in whether or not

719
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 5: they were a gift or alone, you know, and and

720
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 5: Tojuanda started going back and forth, and Tuanda took advantage

721
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 5: of the opportunity. It seemed to me as if Tuanda

722
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 5: had an intention of Okay, I'm about to expose you.

723
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 5: I want to change the way that people view you.

724
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 5: I want people to understand that you're a bad person

725
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 5: who would do things that people consider disgusting and representable

726
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 5: to their siblings. So I'm going to tell this secret,

727
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 5: no matter alleged secret, I should say about you allegedly

728
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 5: sleeping with someone that Tony who's had a relationship with

729
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 5: because I want people to look at you differently than

730
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 5: they do.

731
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 3: That's a deep down, you know, intention.

732
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 5: For someone to have, especially your sister when it comes

733
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 5: to a problem between the two of y'all, and Tuanda

734
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 5: continued to do in same things that I felt like cross.

735
00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: The line too.

736
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 5: Towards the end end of the conflict, Towanda can be

737
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 5: seen on camera and shout.

738
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 3: Out to the editors for making sure it was included.

739
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 5: Towanda was saying, let's call the police and let's press

740
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 5: charges on her. Let's call the police and let's press

741
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 5: charges on her. She kept repeating that in that scene,

742
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 5: bringing up shit about kids, all of that was just

743
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 5: line that it was just lines being crossed that are

744
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 5: difficult to go back from. Shout out to Trina Braxton.

745
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 5: I think Trina Braxton regulated her emotions impeccably during that

746
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 5: whole confrontation. Trina was keeping her tone down. Trina was

747
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 5: trying to defuse things, to escalate things. Even when she

748
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 5: would respond to some of the wild shit Tamar was saying,

749
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 5: she would just be like, no, Tamar, I'm.

750
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 4: Not even when she got her hair pulled from the

751
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 4: back that would have set me off. True, she was

752
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 4: trying to She was trying her best to be the

753
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 4: peacemaker between She got villainized for it. And you know

754
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 4: the heat of the moment, you mad, you like you

755
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 4: touched me? Are you you separating us? Let me get

756
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 4: out of it. Know that was what Trina did, the right

757
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 4: thing and Tamar, that was such an ugly scene. It

758
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 4: was so ugly for them.

759
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 5: And we all have the moments, right, That's not that

760
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 5: they're not alone in that, Like we all have moments

761
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 5: that we're not proud of. Especially Kin't nobody piss me

762
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 5: off like my family. I'm just gonna be honest. I

763
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 5: don't give a fuck about my family. You know, Like

764
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 5: disagreements internally are triggering for me and so I get

765
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 5: it right. But I'm also not finna cut my brother

766
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 5: or sister out on TV like that. Just I don't

767
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 5: even have it if we have a disagreement. I was

768
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 5: just telling my friend earlier, me and my brother, that's

769
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 5: our love language. Fuck you, nigga, what the fuck you?

770
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 5: Guy's how we talked. Hello, what you do in your

771
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 5: ugly mother? But that's how we talk to each other.

772
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 5: But if we ever have a disagreement, we remove all

773
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 5: of that and we talk about what was going on.

774
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

775
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 5: I don't have it in my heart to hurt him

776
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 5: in that way or dip disrespectfully.

777
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 3: Insult him, you know what I'm saying.

778
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 5: So seeing Tamar and Tauana just go right there, it

779
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 5: indicates a lot of ship and a very very broken relationship.

780
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: They don't like each other.

781
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say that.

782
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I want to I want to peel

783
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: back to because you have siblings.

784
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: You have siblings. I have I have nine of them,

785
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: nine siblings.

786
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 6: And.

787
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what I saw as somebody who

788
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: is the middle child of ten kids who all grew

789
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: up in the same house with the same parents all

790
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: our lives. I did see a couple of things. I

791
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 1: saw gas lighting and I'll get to that. I saw

792
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: passive aggressiveness, and I saw a deep need to expose

793
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: because I'm tired, that I'm fed up and I'm done

794
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: and I'm done and I and the world's about to

795
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: find out exactly who you are. So what I will

796
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: say is this, even when and I want to go

797
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: back a little bit to the moment about Ashley being

798
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: on the show and how Tam Martell Tony you told

799
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: me to get on the Braxis and Tony denied it,

800
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: and Tamar.

801
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 2: Said, I swear on my mom that.

802
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: You did it right, only for Tony then to go

803
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: with her confessionals to say, well, look, I did say

804
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: bring her on the show, but in this way, so

805
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 1: I do feel like this it goes to show you that, yes,

806
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: Tamar may be this big, bragadocious, loud person, right, and

807
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: Tamar is as flawed as all of us.

808
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: But I will say, in that moment.

809
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: I did feel like, well, if you're saying to her

810
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: in her face, you didn't do it, only to then

811
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: go on your confessionals saying well, I did do it.

812
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 7: It does sort of present this, this this notion that okay,

813
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 7: is Tamar being gas lily by her sisters, and and

814
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 7: and and one more thing does and Tom tap you in.

815
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: Because I have fiblings, and whoever has siblings more than

816
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: like a couple, y'all go, y'all, go, y'all, y'all, y'all go,

817
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: y'all gonna agree to this and you'll agree with this

818
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: suit does it? There were tons of side looks and whispers,

819
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: m h, that was happening. So even when Tamar brought

820
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: the accusation of the phone the phone bill of the

821
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: thumb bill, I told you about the phone bill, remember

822
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: the phone bill that Tawanza had my name, but d

823
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: and Tony said, you did say that that to Wanda

824
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: goes yeah, but something like is.

825
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 2: That illegal whatever?

826
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 1: With the words were something about what was that illegal

827
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: or something, and Tony whispers, it doesn't make it true.

828
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: It was sort of like, Okay, I'm really seeing I'm

829
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: really seeing moments of.

830
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 2: Things being gassed lited.

831
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: And again I'm not I'm not saying I'm on this

832
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: purchase side of not I'm watching the show.

833
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: But I will say for a woman.

834
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: Like Tamar, who does have a reputation that she said,

835
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: people just think she just goes off on the left.

836
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: For the reason, I will say that scene I did

837
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: see moms, so I'm like a.

838
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: To be gas letting your face by your sisters, and

839
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: then as a person at siblings who also does the

840
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,959
Speaker 1: little look to my other sister like love, I did

841
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: see moments of like Okay, I can see where I'm sorry,

842
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: I can see why she feels this way in this moment.

843
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: I could too.

844
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 5: I agree with you because I definitely recognize moments. Like

845
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 5: I told you, Tamar is not alone in what made

846
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 5: this dinner go left right, or what makes their dinners

847
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 5: typically go left. There were other people who are involved.

848
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 5: Trina was making faces and shit, you know what I'm saying.

849
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 5: Even though she did regulate her emotions well when it

850
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 5: was time for her to actually communicate, her nonverbal communication

851
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 5: was something different.

852
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: Right. Twanda appears to.

853
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 5: Have a a mean, nasty edge to her spirit when

854
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 5: she is in conflict with Tamar.

855
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 3: I don't know where that comes from. I don't know

856
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: what that reflects, but.

857
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 5: She appears to have a goal of shifting the perspective

858
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 5: of whoever is watching or listening when it comes to Tamar.

859
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 5: It seems like Towanda does not like how Tamar is

860
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 5: well received by some people. In spite of her behaviors

861
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 5: that can be deemed or radic, can be deemed problematic,

862
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 5: can be deemed childish, can be deemed whatever you want

863
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 5: to deem them, she still gets a lot of love,

864
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And I think that Towanda

865
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 5: resents that because Twuanda feels like she has real issues

866
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 5: to be upset with Tamar about and she feels like

867
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 5: her sisters have real issues to be upset with Tamar about.

868
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 5: And I don't think she feels like Tamar deserves some

869
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 5: of the success that Tamar has rightfully earned on her

870
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 5: own of her own merit, right, I think to it

871
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 5: appears as if Tuana resents that a little bit, and

872
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 5: so she tries to hut down the middle when she's

873
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 5: arguing with Tamar.

874
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: Why else would you bring up something like that.

875
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, Tamar brought up that down payment, But that's the

876
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 5: kind of shit you do when you help each other out,

877
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 5: when your siblings and shit, you know, But even that

878
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 5: being brought up, it just it's just on.

879
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

880
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: I don't like it. Yeah, and I want to hear

881
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: from you too.

882
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: I'll say this, as a person has siblings, I think

883
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: they all cross the line with exposing what they do

884
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 1: for each other.

885
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: I don't like that.

886
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: That's why I do feel like in that moment, the

887
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: gloves were off, and it was the first time that

888
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:39,479
Speaker 1: I saw the living legend Tony B. Braxtaid gloves being

889
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: off too. Because as the older sister, she always had

890
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: this way, either I'm going to keep things here or

891
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to remove myself from the situation. I was

892
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: surprised to see even her have her gloves off. And

893
00:47:54,840 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 1: the thing with Trina, who definitely wasn't vocal. I will say,

894
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: even when Trina said to Tony, you're you're a superstar,

895
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I didn't like that in that moment

896
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: because you're sort of exactly, you're sort of categorizing that

897
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: one sister has more to lose in the other, and

898
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: as a viewer, all you guys have the same thing

899
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: to lose.

900
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 2: Yes, Tony Braxett is the iconic.

901
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: Grammy Award winning living legend, right, but in this moment,

902
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: that's your sister.

903
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 3: There you go. Thank you.

904
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: Does not matter in this moment when I get to

905
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: argument with my with my siblings, none of those mothers,

906
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: none of them saying that's the king of reality TV

907
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: like you got they might.

908
00:48:52,280 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, that was again more evidence of long standing

909
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 4: beef for many, many years. It was clearly a dig

910
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 4: like the sister is saying, she's saying you're a superstar

911
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 4: and looking at Tamar, you're a superstar. This is above you.

912
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 4: They've had lots of arguments in the past, and you know,

913
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 4: I do think that Tamor probably feels a way that

914
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 4: sometimes Tony Braxton does get that label. And as talented

915
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 4: as Tamar is, which she is, really, I think a

916
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 4: lot of Tamar's issues is sometimes I do think she's

917
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 4: correct in her stances. It's probably the delivery and that

918
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 4: rubs their sisters the wrong way, so they get into

919
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 4: it like it's delivery is like half the battle and tone,

920
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 4: so even when you're right, it's it's like easy to

921
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 4: demonize someone right and be like, look at her, she's

922
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 4: acting up. She acted here she go acting ghetto again,

923
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 4: not acting like a superstar. When your delivery is on ten,

924
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 4: no one really can hear you. They hear you yelling,

925
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 4: they hear you screaming, they hear your your your seem aggressive, right,

926
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 4: they're not really hearing. Well, maybe she was gaessled a

927
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 4: little bit. Maybe she does have a point. And then

928
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 4: no one wants to feel sympathy for you because of

929
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 4: your tone. So that's what like, so and the sisters

930
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 4: know that, right, So you keep yourself tone, your tone

931
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 4: calm and cool and let your sister crash out. She

932
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 4: instantly the audience will be like, oh, here's she go

933
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 4: again doing what she do. But it's obvious many many,

934
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 4: many many many years of resentment, hurt, pain over whatever issues, jealousy,

935
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 4: And I don't think it's all only directed at Tamar.

936
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 4: I think that there's a lot of two way jealousy

937
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 4: in that family. And it's not for the things. It's

938
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 4: not just like, oh well you made it. I didn't

939
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 4: make it as big. There's just you know, people throwing

940
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 4: shit in each other's faces. As we saw in the

941
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 4: argument that wasn't cool at all.

942
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: Don't do it for me.

943
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 4: If you're gonna throw it on my face later, do

944
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 4: not do that. And I just think that they were

945
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 4: both there was a lot of there was a lot

946
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 4: enough blame to go around to the whole family with

947
00:50:53,160 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 4: that scene. But it was ugly and it's been ugly though. Yeah,

948
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 4: it's been a This is not new.

949
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: And they don't like each other.

950
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 4: Listen, they don't like They love each other, but they

951
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 4: don't like each other.

952
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: And that's real.

953
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: You could love somebody, but I like them, and I

954
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: think Dustin clocked it. Tony Braxon went on record saying

955
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 1: if they weren't my sisters, I would not be friends

956
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 1: with them. She said it, she said out her own mouth.

957
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: Tony Braxon also said that when when they when they started,

958
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: because because miss Evelyn Braxton raised her girls to be

959
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: a girl group and and to be you know that

960
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: as the career choice. When La Reed saw the group orformed,

961
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: he single handly said, I only want Tony braxaid, and

962
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: Tony Braxton said this out of her own mouth that

963
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: no matter what she accomplished as a solo act, her

964
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: mother will always say, that's baby, that's fine.

965
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: Don't think it about your sisters. Don't think about your sisters.

966
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 3: Pressure yes, yes, And.

967
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: Tony has said that she felt that she couldn't never

968
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: enjoy her success because she was she was she was

969
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: made to always feel like, your sisters don't have it either.

970
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: So even when Tracy makes you rest in peace, did

971
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: say when Tony became solo and Tony wanted Tony worked

972
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: with the other sisters, the four of them to be

973
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: in a girl group. When they signed the record deal

974
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: is when Tracy got pregnant. And then Tracy has said

975
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: this out of her own mouth that she pretty much

976
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: was kicked out of the group because she was pregnant.

977
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: And if you watch, not watch, if you go back

978
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: to the records the Bractons as the group was three people,

979
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of history there.

980
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 2: And I think when it came to.

981
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: What the conversations are about, jealousy, you're a superstar, all

982
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: of that, I think, Unfortunately, I'm gonna say this, I

983
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: think the moment Tony Braxton made it as a solo superstar,

984
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: I do believe the relationship between the sisters as a

985
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: unit was forever changed.

986
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 2: For sure.

987
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 4: Think about if you were sorry, doesn't think about how

988
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 4: the Jackson five were like they were a group and

989
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 4: they were they went through brutal training to get to

990
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 4: where they had to get and and the rehearsals on it,

991
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 4: and then Michael is the chosen one because he stood

992
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 4: out like that, How the kindest, most faith having person

993
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 4: is still going to feel a way that it's human

994
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 4: nature to feel a way it's called and then and

995
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 4: then Tony is gonna have that survivor's remorse, like I'm

996
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 4: the one that made it. There's a lot of guilt

997
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 4: that goes along with that. And can you can be

998
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 4: happy for your sister but also be low Ki hated

999
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 4: and li jells at the same time. And you can't

1000
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 4: say it right because you're supposed to. It's a complex

1001
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 4: place to be. It's a complex thing.

1002
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 3: A line. No, Claudia, I don't like that, friend. I

1003
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 3: don't know.

1004
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 5: I feel like, yeah, it's real, but I don't know.

1005
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 5: Just speaking for myself, you know what I'm saying. It's

1006
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 5: not being wrong or right or whatever, but like, yeah, yeah,

1007
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 5: I don't.

1008
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 3: Think there's any place for like.

1009
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 5: Jealousy and ego and pride and shit like that when

1010
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 5: in a close relationship. For like, I don't want to

1011
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 5: if some good heavens for you, I'm not gonna think, damn,

1012
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. That should be me too.

1013
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, I'd be like, damn, that's

1014
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 5: dope for Claudia, I'm happy for you. So I can't

1015
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 5: imagine if my brother and I, yeah, go ahead.

1016
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: I think I think we have to go with the

1017
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: fact that once again they were brought up.

1018
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 2: As sisters to be a group, right, so.

1019
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: It was always the five of us are going to

1020
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: make it as a group.

1021
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: Now, I don't I know your spirit, and I'm not

1022
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 2: saying you I know what you're saying.

1023
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: But if Claudia and Dustin were like Ashburn and Simpson,

1024
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: and or whatever, right the dynamic duo Sonny there right,

1025
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: Donnie Marie.

1026
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: Osman, I'm so old. I go ahead, clock, thank you,

1027
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 2: Saltlake City, shout out, thank you. Okay. Anyway, when.

1028
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: If you and Claudia were brought up since over five

1029
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: years old to make it and then at twenty Claudia

1030
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: has been hand selected to be ushered into the stratosphere

1031
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: and you're left behind, there could.

1032
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 2: Be some resentment.

1033
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: And one example I will give and I'm only saying

1034
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: this because they talked about it. Kelly Rowland did a

1035
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: song called Dirty Laundry and she and she talked about

1036
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: the fact that when Beyonce became the solo superstar. She

1037
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: said in the song okay God, we forgot to be

1038
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: like she it's her song. She said how it was

1039
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: difficult for her to see her sister on stage killing

1040
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: it because she was like, what about me? Like, what

1041
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: do I do now that my sister has made it

1042
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: since we were seven eight years old? And then in

1043
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: my twenties and my girl is the number one pop

1044
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: star and I'm figuring my shit out, So I like.

1045
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 4: Be happy and sad at the same time. And it's

1046
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 4: like you like hating on them, But it's I think

1047
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 4: it's human nature to feel that, like, well, what about me?

1048
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 4: As much as you try to quiet that voice, the

1049
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 4: what about me thing is is real, you know what

1050
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 4: I mean? Like we plan on doing something together and

1051
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 4: one gets plucked and elevated behind beyond their wildest dreams,

1052
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 4: and you're sitting there like, I'm supposed to be happy

1053
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 4: because that's my blood. But fuck, why not me too?

1054
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 4: Why could it be two of us? Or why could

1055
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 4: it be three of us?

1056
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: You know? So I get that. That's why I said.

1057
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: That's why I said every I believe, and this is

1058
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: me having nine siblings, I believe their relationship as sisters

1059
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: change the moment La re selected Tony because he removed

1060
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: her from the foundation that was set by their mother.

1061
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: And that's why their mother again, guy Tony Braxon said it.

1062
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: That's why the mother always said, yes, baby, congratulations like

1063
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: your grammy and all this stuff, but don't you forget

1064
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: about your sisters. And and that's why I think when

1065
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: the Braxtons came along that Tamar Braxton and her ex

1066
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: husband Vincent Herbert paid for the pilot And just so

1067
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: y'all know, the pilot was at Bravo first, and Bravo.

1068
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 2: Did not greenlight it, but we TV did. That's why

1069
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 2: it did appear.

1070
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: That, you know, it was like their second win, right,

1071
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: like this could be something that we all could do

1072
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: as a unit. But once again, I think that foundation

1073
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: was never healed, which is why tv jas couldn't even

1074
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: do it.

1075
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 4: But think about the sisters. Okay, they had to go

1076
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 4: through it more than once. Okay, and a second on

1077
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 4: a lower scale. Right, first they were together as five

1078
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 4: and then Tony Braxton's out of here blows up and

1079
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 4: everybody's like, wait, what what about us? And then after

1080
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 4: years later, then Tamar breaks out as a soul star,

1081
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 4: another chance for the other sisters to be like what

1082
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 4: about us? Again, So they had to go through it

1083
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 4: kind of twice. And then then I mean, Tony Braxon

1084
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 4: is like she's out of here, and Tamar Braxon is

1085
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 4: very successful too. So imagine what the other sisters gotta feel.

1086
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 4: You cannot tell me, like that's that's gotta be tough

1087
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 4: for them.

1088
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 3: I don't. I just I completely understand the point you making.

1089
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 5: First of all, let me say that because I'm not

1090
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 5: challenging with either one of y'all are saying the way

1091
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 5: I look at things, I just would feel like, Okay,

1092
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 5: if my sister is this superstar wins the best Grammy

1093
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 5: you can win, right, best new artists, once in a

1094
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 5: lifetime chance to win.

1095
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 3: She won it.

1096
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 5: She's loved by mainstream audiences all over the world. Right,

1097
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 5: if I'm talented and me and my sister have a

1098
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 5: good relationship, that's opportunity for me to have access to

1099
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 5: resources to have my talents be seen by others and

1100
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 5: have an opportunity. Right, you pick up that basketball of

1101
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 5: opportunity and you dribble it. You work on your craft,

1102
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 5: and you maintain good relationships, and you showcase your art.

1103
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 5: The second time that the family got the spotlight put

1104
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 5: on them as a collective with this television show, to me,

1105
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 5: that's opportunity too for you to showcase your talents, do

1106
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 5: your thing, get opportunities, be good at what you say

1107
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 5: you're good at. If Tamar rockets to superstardom like she

1108
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 5: did when the show came out, that's more attention on

1109
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 5: the show, more attention on y'all. That's good for all

1110
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 5: of you. It's great for Tamar, but it's also good

1111
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 5: for you. And if they were looking at that as

1112
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 5: a second opportunity of being overlooked. I think the problem

1113
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 5: the call is what they be saying, car's coming from

1114
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 5: inside the house, because you had really three but two

1115
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 5: shots to like do your thing.

1116
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 3: You had two windows of two.

1117
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 5: Huge windows of opportunity, you know what I'm saying. So

1118
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 5: you look at it overlooked as overlooked. I get it

1119
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 5: though your.

1120
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 4: Mature, developed, highly intelligent, emostly intelligent person. Look how many

1121
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 4: other shows, yeah, dot dot dot it just when one

1122
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 4: gets the light on them, it makes people get jealous,

1123
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 4: They get angry. What about me? Why this bitch? Why her?

1124
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 4: Why not me? I can sing as good as her.

1125
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 4: She only got that because this or some guy likes her.

1126
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 4: Whatever the room, whatever the spin is, someone's gonna put

1127
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 4: you know. And a lot of times people say they'd

1128
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 4: be happy for you when you make it, But when

1129
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 4: it really happens, will they really feel that way? And

1130
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 4: are you being an asshole when you do make it?

1131
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 4: Are you flaunting shit? Are you throwing it in your

1132
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 4: sister's faces? We saw some ugly shit in that scene.

1133
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 4: We saw some scene, and then you know there's got

1134
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 4: to be more too that. That's what we're seeing on camera,

1135
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 4: So what is happening not on camera? Bit you wish

1136
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 4: you could be me. That's why I got an ideal

1137
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 4: and you did not. Who knows what the conversations are.

1138
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 4: You know who knows. But at the end of the day,

1139
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 4: I think one thing we can all agree on. They

1140
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 4: don't like each other.

1141
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what's funny, so listen. What what's

1142
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: so interesting is obviously Tamar and Tony are still talking.

1143
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: Because Tamar went to the Verses last Saturday and was

1144
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: with Birdman supporting him. They FaceTime Tony Braxton. Tony looked amazing.

1145
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: Tony Braxton is such a diva and a legend.

1146
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: I love her.

1147
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 4: The glass funglasses on in the house looking like.

1148
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 2: A bow cover. You can't take that away from that.

1149
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 2: Gorgeous you know what I'm saying. I mean, living legend.

1150
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 2: So the thing about siblings is this, you do get

1151
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 2: you you do find.

1152
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: A way to get over it. My hope for the

1153
01:01:55,520 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: girls is this. I do hope that they find their

1154
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: way back because I do think that the stuff that

1155
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: was exposed we didn't need to know. But I also

1156
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: I also know that when you're back up against the wall,

1157
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: like doesn't said.

1158
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 2: No one hurts no one. No one hurts you more

1159
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 2: than your family.

1160
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: And you sometimes will say shit to get under someone's skin.

1161
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 2: I've done it to my siblings.

1162
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm not examt I'm not exampt from saying the most

1163
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: egregious things to a sibling who were arguing, and they

1164
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: said it to me. But we found our way to

1165
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: come back. And what's what's I'll tell you this. What's

1166
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: sad is the purpose of this reboot was to honor Tracy,

1167
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: and I feel sad that that's not the focus.

1168
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 3: I never believed that. Personally.

1169
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 5: I appreciated the sentiment being shared, but I never thought,

1170
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 5: for woman that they all sit down. They can't all

1171
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 5: sit down and talk right, they can't get along. So

1172
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 5: I never thought for one second they said that it

1173
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 5: was like we're gonna our sister by doing this show again. Yeah, no, no, no,

1174
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 5: y'all want to work.

1175
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 4: I think honestly, I hate to give up on things,

1176
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 4: but it kind of seems like at this at this age,

1177
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff's baked in, like we can say there,

1178
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 4: I kind of it's a done deal.

1179
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 3: Feeling I'm healing journey.

1180
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 4: Oh no, they don't, it is. I think at this point,

1181
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 4: it is what it is, and that's what it is,

1182
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 4: and that's it. Like, I don't think there's any hope,

1183
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 4: Like and I think the best they can do is

1184
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:37,919
Speaker 4: maybe see the show and be like, damn, I don't

1185
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 4: like how that looks play nice for the show, so

1186
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 4: we could like, let's get back. It's like Housewives or Atlanta.

1187
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 4: Like it started off like so lighthearted and fun and

1188
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 4: like fungade. Then it got dark and negative and fighting

1189
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 4: and all that. Like the what made people love these

1190
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 4: shows is the ability for it to be funny and

1191
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 4: shading and then and then revisit and hang out again

1192
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 4: after it was and I was, it did get me

1193
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 4: a little hope to see Tony and and Tamar on

1194
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 4: that zoom. I mean I left face time with Berman

1195
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 4: and hopefully that they can all get like that because

1196
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 4: they both they all have a lot of personal they're

1197
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 4: all pretty funny, like sure.

1198
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all challenge and they're the closest Tony and

1199
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: Tamar of the of the sisters are the closest and

1200
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: the closest on the other.

1201
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 2: Side is Towanda and Trina. You know, so it is

1202
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 2: for like this split group.

1203
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 4: But.

1204
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 2: Right, yes, Trina.

1205
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, damn, I don't think Tijuana is evil, though I

1206
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 4: do think that I do think she's frustrated. I think

1207
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 4: she's frustrated for many, many years. I think they all are.

1208
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 4: Like and it's kind of like the thing of what

1209
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 4: came first. The chicken of the egg like pointed, well,

1210
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 4: you did this to me first, and then I responded

1211
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 4: like this, and I'm sure to Wanta could be like,

1212
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 4: well you did did me like this, and that's why

1213
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 4: I said this about you, Like it's who knows where

1214
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 4: it really started. I think so many things have happened

1215
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 4: where they both can advocates of who started it, but

1216
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 4: it's very clear that you know, both sides have been

1217
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 4: very Yeah.

1218
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 2: And I don't like I don't like the mental illness comments.

1219
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: I just that was that that was the one where

1220
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: I was sort of like, this is listen, no shade,

1221
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: because I got siblings sometimes you know, give you.

1222
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 2: Buck a siblings. It's what it is that I'll just

1223
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 2: be real.

1224
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: That bothered me as much as the mental illness conversations did,

1225
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: because I just felt like that was just something that

1226
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: I don't think should be included in any argument, you

1227
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like the notion of that.

1228
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 2: Whether or not it was Tiwanda's.

1229
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: You know, point of saying your sick in terms of

1230
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: making light of that, she has to say whether or

1231
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: not she meant it that way.

1232
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 3: But I just thought, like it didn't.

1233
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just felt like all things.

1234
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: I just didn't I didn't like that because you know,

1235
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: Tamar has been open about dealing with men on this

1236
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: and and all those things, and I just think those

1237
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: type of conversations it wasn't a place for it.

1238
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 2: But I also think this.

1239
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 1: I think Claudia is right in the sense of these

1240
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: women some are over fifty.

1241
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 2: I think Tamar.

1242
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 5: Forty eight at the time of film. And remember when

1243
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 5: she when she showed her body off Tatrina and the

1244
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 5: heat of the argument and was like, you're jealous, bitch,

1245
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 5: I would be too forty eight. She tapped her butt cheeks.

1246
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 5: Do you remember that part? I remember that part? Did

1247
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 5: you see that part?

1248
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 2: Thank you for the color of the descripture? Yes, I'll do.

1249
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 2: That's what sort of like, thanks God.

1250
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 3: She was doing all that shit. Jealous bitches. Forty eight bitch,

1251
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 3: that's what she was doing.

1252
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 4: That's crazy talking here, y'all. That's that's a crazy fight.

1253
01:06:59,680 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 6: To have.

1254
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 2: That casting up.

1255
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 5: I don't know if I'd have been customed to wind

1256
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 5: out because she could have, you know, say, all you

1257
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 5: see is that purple, not.

1258
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 2: The purple, Not the purple. But what I will say

1259
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 2: I do give with Claudia.

1260
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: I think, Look, they're close to fifty over fifty, I

1261
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: think at this point, and it's sad to say, but

1262
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: I've had lived experience too, like you two did. I

1263
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: just think at some point you get to pick and

1264
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 1: choose who you want to be part of your own family.

1265
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 3: Can we give notes?

1266
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 5: Because while when you had had technical difficulties, at the

1267
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 5: top of the show, Claudia and I were talking a

1268
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 5: little bit more about the Braxtons in general, and I

1269
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 5: wanted to share this with you too before we get

1270
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 5: out of here.

1271
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,959
Speaker 3: I'm tired of the formula. The formula needs to change

1272
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 3: when it comes to the Braxtons. Right.

1273
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 5: These are people of a certain age, right, people with children,

1274
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 5: you know, grandchildren. It doesn't treat to have grandchildren anyway. Yeah,

1275
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 5: I think when Trina sons may or may not be

1276
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 5: married or have a child, I don't know, but there

1277
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 5: are at a certain station in life.

1278
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 3: All we really have been getting from the.

1279
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 5: Braxtons is either the sisters arguing going for blood against

1280
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 5: each other, or else they're together and they're acting silly

1281
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 5: and singing when they talk.

1282
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1283
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 5: Twanda did it in this episode when she was on

1284
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 5: the phone at the dress fitting for her Ladies of Honor,

1285
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 5: which do what you want to do, but it's just

1286
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 5: confusing when everything's different right, like nothing is just what

1287
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 5: it is? Everything, Well, no, we're gonna call him this

1288
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 5: when we're gonna wear this. We now we're gonna do it.

1289
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 5: Everything is off and they Daddy should have took his

1290
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 5: head off before he walked down the aisle too. But anyway,

1291
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 5: we see Tuanda at the dress shop trying and stuff on, right,

1292
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 5: and when she's talking to Tony on the phone, that's

1293
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 5: how you know somebody is like not really present when

1294
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 5: they talk to She was going yet we at the

1295
01:08:53,040 --> 01:09:01,839
Speaker 5: bridal show getting ready for the bridgeting shower. Tone said, Hi,

1296
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 5: everything is singing, nothing is really real. She don't be

1297
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 5: doing that ship When she talked to Trina, her and

1298
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 5: Trina just be kicking it talking. You know what I'm saying.

1299
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 5: That represents am I off here? Or does that and

1300
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 5: not represent a connection.

1301
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, don't talk to that much. Yeah,

1302
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 3: we need to stop.

1303
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 5: If they not arguing with each other, they singing songs

1304
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 5: and making us they being silly and childish in a

1305
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 5: way they used to be charming when the show first started.

1306
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 5: That's what we love the most about seeing them be

1307
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 5: together and make up those songs, like you said, which

1308
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:36,799
Speaker 5: we all love and still remember.

1309
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 3: We love seeing that.

1310
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 5: But now ten ten years later, the fighting or either

1311
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 5: acting childlike is really getting played out when there's a

1312
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 5: whole bunch of story in between all of that.

1313
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 3: Carlos, you're a producer.

1314
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 5: You see all this story that these sisters have that

1315
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 5: is not the cut whatsoever.

1316
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 3: We gotta change up the formula because the rest of it.

1317
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's listen, Obviously I agree with that. I want

1318
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: to see them have fun as seeing and and.

1319
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 2: Create a new formula.

1320
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 1: You know, you're seeing some of that with the Kardashians

1321
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: and their new season. Whether people like it or not,

1322
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: is it's different than keeping up. But to Dus's point,

1323
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: that's a new formula involved in that one. So on

1324
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: one hand, it's like, yes, you follow the reality. The

1325
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 1: reality is this happened but I think to Dust's point,

1326
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,839
Speaker 1: on the other hand, you saw them trying the elements

1327
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: of like the BTS, the producers being involved, so you're

1328
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: seeing something different than bracket family values.

1329
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 2: But I think tonally, yes, some things have to change.

1330
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 2: I agree with you, Dustin.

1331
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 4: Yes. And it's not just them, it's the black It's

1332
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 4: a genre. Every show is, Oh, such and such, Red

1333
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 4: herd down cussed her around and she went on and

1334
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 4: I'm like, black folks, we are more than just fighting. Yes,

1335
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 4: we are passionate people. Yes we get emotional. Yes, we

1336
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 4: go from zero to four hundred, and you know, we

1337
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 4: put a little stank on everything. That's why we're the

1338
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 4: best people to watch on shows like Families few so emotional.

1339
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 4: But god damn it is that all we are is fighting,

1340
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 4: catching someone cheating, cussing someone out, embarrassing someone on camera,

1341
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 4: and like reading someone down. Like every single show is

1342
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 4: that nowadays. Every show is that. It's so like switch

1343
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 4: switch the name of the show, Like just insert the

1344
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 4: same storyline different different cast members, and it's dead. And

1345
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 4: that's why people are not as excited about any hardly

1346
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 4: enemy shows anymore, because we gotta get back to it's

1347
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 4: funny That's why with your show with Bells Carlos, it's

1348
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,600
Speaker 4: nice that we still have we have some drama, but

1349
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 4: there is still some opportunity for humor. That's what we're missing.

1350
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 4: Like if I want to see fighting all day, I

1351
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 4: can throw on CNN. I can throw on the news.

1352
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 4: And we want to escape from that. Like all we

1353
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:03,839
Speaker 4: see is bickering, bickering, bickering, bickering with everything, and it's like, damn,

1354
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 4: Like it's cool, there's a balance, Okay, fight, but then

1355
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 4: y'all went to a strip club and y'all laughed your asses.

1356
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 3: Off, exactly enjoyed it.

1357
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 2: Okay, but when.

1358
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:17,440
Speaker 4: It's only it's the scales. The scales are just so unbalanced,

1359
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 4: and that's all we get. And that's why I don't

1360
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 4: really like Honestly, that's the main reason why I'm so

1361
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 4: late on a lot of reality shows because I'm like,

1362
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 4: I just assume they're all I doing is arguing, Yeah,

1363
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So I'm seeing that not all.

1364
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 4: It's not ten.

1365
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 5: Y'all, and I love it. No secret, y'all know. I

1366
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,639
Speaker 5: watch all the fighting shit. I love zoos so watching

1367
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 5: now that's TV. I watch all that ship but let

1368
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 5: it be that called the show the Braxton ass beating

1369
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 5: and put it on zeus. You know what I'm saying,

1370
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 5: And let's let let's make it that if that's what

1371
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 5: we're gonna watch otherwise, values right, and y'all rooted in

1372
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 5: the church. One minute, y'all want to be rooted in

1373
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 5: the church, and everything is about the Lord and gospeling

1374
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 5: our upbringing. But Tay Mason versus where their tongue stuck

1375
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 5: out bobbing to the same music I'm singing every word

1376
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 5: to in my worldly home. So you know what I'm saying,

1377
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:08,799
Speaker 5: I don't balance the balance here in this alignment.

1378
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,560
Speaker 3: Be who you are. We love the Braxton's.

1379
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 5: As much as Tamar has done things that have been

1380
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 5: difficult to enjoy, I still love Tamar Braxton's talent, right.

1381
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 5: I think she's an incredible singer. I think she's a

1382
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 5: brilliant television personality. I think Trina Braxton is hilarious. I

1383
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 5: think Tawanda Braxton is interesting. I think Tony Braxton is iconic.

1384
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 5: I want to watch the show. I want to see

1385
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 5: them and see what's going on in their lives beyond

1386
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 5: what we know about them. You know what I'm saying,

1387
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 5: I don't want to see them clawing blood out of

1388
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:43,759
Speaker 5: each other's necks as sisters.

1389
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 3: I just don't want to see that.

1390
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 5: So but shout out to them, Like I said, I

1391
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 5: want to show to continue. May they have multiple seasons.

1392
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 5: May it continue, and hopefully we end up seeing them

1393
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 5: find some sort of peace and some sort of bridge

1394
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 5: of harmony and togetherness as sisters, because they are. While

1395
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 5: they're cussing each other out. Some of that pain might

1396
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 5: be from grief. I'd imagine that they lost their niece,

1397
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 5: the actually their niece, actually her sister is the one

1398
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 5: who passed away, Tracy passed away. They experienced a lot

1399
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 5: of loss, so some of that acting out that we

1400
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 5: see is more than likely rooted in that. My wish

1401
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 5: is for them to find healing and get along and

1402
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 5: keep singing.

1403
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. That's what I hope for them.

1404
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 5: That's why we so fucking frustrated when we've seen Tamar

1405
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 5: turner on and show her ass cheeks to Trina talking

1406
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 5: about forty eight bitch hitting her. But we didn't want

1407
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 5: to see her them speaking to each other like that.

1408
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 3: We want to see them figuring it out.

1409
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 4: Damn out. I was just about to stand up and

1410
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 4: show my fifty two year old Now.

1411
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 3: You gotta call me your nigga, a motherfuck nigga.

1412
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 2: Look at.

1413
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 4: You should have chicks like this. J I didn't. Yes

1414
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 4: you did?

1415
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 2: You put my head? Get along?

1416
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 4: We want you to get along. The fans actually, at

1417
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 4: this point getting along would be breaking news. And we

1418
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 4: would love to run with that. We would love to

1419
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 4: run with that.

1420
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: And and and I'll say this just because they had

1421
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:50,799
Speaker 1: this moment of you know, verbal dispute or whatever, and

1422
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: and Tamar pulling and kicking. At the end of the day,

1423
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: we saw Kim and Courtney slap the ship on each other.

1424
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but please you already know night.

1425
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: So like so for the audience, like, calm down, That's

1426
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 1: what I said.

1427
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 2: I was less about a siblings fight two years ago.

1428
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 4: Half of Kim's face was on the wall, the makeup

1429
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 4: was on the wall.

1430
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 5: We ain't unfairly holding him to a standard as anyone else.

1431
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 5: They're not representing black people. It's not that type of conversation.

1432
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 5: I person. I speak for myself. I'm pretty sure I

1433
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 5: could speak for y'all too. I don't really funk about

1434
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 5: none of that. We're just talking about the Braxtons.

1435
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Yes, we're not We're not.

1436
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 5: We're not punishing them for you know, Vince represented. No,

1437
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:48,759
Speaker 5: this ain't that everybody. Everybody, everybody, All that stuff happens.

1438
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 5: We just talking about what we saw.

1439
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 4: I never I have a half sister, but I didn't

1440
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 4: know it was like when I was older. So I

1441
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 4: never have like any fights like me and my brother

1442
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,639
Speaker 4: when we were little, but not really like I don't

1443
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 4: know that life. I really don't. Even with my friends.

1444
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 4: I rarely have fights with arguments with my friends, like

1445
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 4: when I lose big deal from me, like I be

1446
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 4: going through it because I'm like, how did I lose

1447
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 4: a friend deal?

1448
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 5: I'm the youngest, like my siblings ain't never made me

1449
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 5: feel like no, that little boys ship.

1450
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 3: Or what we always been down. Friends always been like a.

1451
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 2: Very support them. Yeah I met the one that came

1452
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 2: to Atlanta.

1453
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:30,600
Speaker 5: Yeah my sister, Yeah, my older sister. Yeah, she's the

1454
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 5: oldest and I'm the youngest. So you've seen You've seen

1455
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 5: it for yourself. You know what it is, you know,

1456
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 5: so I don't. My experience might be a little bit.

1457
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 5: That don't mean we don't get on each other's nerves

1458
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 5: and have disagreements and challenges in our relationship. Of course

1459
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 5: you do. But I'll be damn, it ain't nothing I

1460
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 5: can say. It ain't ain't nothing nobody could do to

1461
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 5: make me turn on my brother and my sister.

1462
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the lot I know, we gotta go.

1463
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:57,600
Speaker 4: But a lot of like I say about relationships on

1464
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 4: reality shows, a lot of this is just as later

1465
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 4: because they're on television and they're doing it in front

1466
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 4: of people like I don't. I think it's it's a

1467
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 4: thing of I can't get read down, okay, and then

1468
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 4: the comments, oh you're gonna let your sister talk to

1469
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 4: you like that? I think things get escalated and extra

1470
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 4: batteries get put on backs because of the TV show.

1471
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 4: I Best you was not ugly before they got on TV.

1472
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,639
Speaker 4: It's probably ugly, but this level is.

1473
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 5: Just that's why you got to be all right up

1474
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 5: here with it, you know what I'm saying to where

1475
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 5: you're not motivated by I think Tamar and Tuanda, based

1476
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 5: on what I seen what I saw on the show,

1477
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 5: they appeared to be motivated by a desire to win

1478
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 5: the argument and shame the other one, And that's ego

1479
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 5: and pride, you know what I'm saying, and history as well,

1480
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:41,719
Speaker 5: if that's rooted and ego and pride.

1481
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 3: You can't be in a headspace. You gotta be.

1482
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 5: Present and remember who you're talking to, Remember what the

1483
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 5: relation it ship is, remember how much you value it,

1484
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 5: and that will impact the way that you communicate with

1485
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 5: a person. Of course, you're human and you have emotions,

1486
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 5: you have feelings and thoughts and shit, but you need

1487
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 5: to be able to take another step in thought and

1488
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 5: consider the person, consider the relationship, consider what needs to

1489
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 5: take place for things to be good as opposed to

1490
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 5: for you to avenge something, and then you can make progress.

1491
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 5: And I think that we just didn't see that in

1492
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 5: these four episodes from The Sisters. We saw no bitch,

1493
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:21,720
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get you. You know what I'm saying. That

1494
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 5: that's what we saw.

1495
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 4: I know, Mama Evla must be so stressed out, like

1496
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 4: seeing her daughters fighting like it's probably like.

1497
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially when she was going through the heart issues

1498
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 1: this m oh no, those those are her those are

1499
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 1: her baby, those are her girls.

1500
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 2: And that's why I look.

1501
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: I will say this, Sometimes you have to see yourself

1502
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: on television and be like.

1503
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 2: Got it?

1504
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 3: You know.

1505
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 1: Like, so my hope is that the sisters wire all

1506
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: able to look at this and hopefully move on from

1507
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 1: it and see the errors of some of the way.

1508
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 1: But look, we have I think six more episodes to

1509
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: go to this season. The only thing we know is,

1510
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 1: as of today, the only thing we know is Tamar

1511
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 1: and Tony are speaking to each other.

1512
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 2: We have to watch and see what happens.

1513
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 1: But in next week's episode, it does appear that Tamar

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01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: is not at tomorrow's wedding.

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01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 4: So oh, should I spill the beans on that? Didn't I?

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01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 1: that's that's already been.

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01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 2: Teased for the show.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, when I was there, I was thinking, n like

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01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 4: maybe because they were filming while we were there, right

1521
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 4: my releases put our phones away. Part of me was like, no, man, like,

1522
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 4: at the last minute, she's gonna walk through and it's

1523
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 4: gonna be like a big you know what I mean.

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01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 4: I thought that I was actually kind of hoping for

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01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 4: that for them. Yeah, yeah, because like it felt a

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01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 4: little like, damn, how am I here and she's not?

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01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 4: You know, I felt kind of yeah.

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01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So no, Look, my thoughts and prayers are

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01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 1: with the entire Brason family. And look, my advice is

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01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: this too shall pass and and just really try to

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01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 1: I'll say, I'll end by saying this for me, I

1532
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,480
Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, there's a respectful

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01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 1: relationship to have. I think, based on people being fifty plus,

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01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm not here to ever advocate that you must be

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01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 1: best friends with your sibling at this point. I think,

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01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: I think, I think if that's not what's happening right now,

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01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 1: it's okay to say I love.

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01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 2: Her, but I can love from a distance.

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01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 3: I'm cool with that me too. I'm actually fine with that.

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01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 5: I would prefer that because if you're harboring some resentment

1541
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:50,799
Speaker 5: and shit, I don't want you pretending to get along

1542
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 5: with me and being around me. I'd rather you be

1543
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 5: upfront like ya, I don't fuck with you. I'm not

1544
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 5: going to hay seven, I don't fuck with you. I'm

1545
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 5: not going to so get from around me.

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01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 3: I'd rather you do that. So I agree, y'all.

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01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 4: I don't think you should have to force something because

1548
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 4: of your family.

1549
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 3: Like I either. I don't believe in that you stress me.

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01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 4: Out, you my cousin, my aunt, my mother, or my brother. Sorry,

1551
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 4: I'm not living, which.

1552
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 5: Is why you appreciate the ones that do you right

1553
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 5: even more, and you take advantage of opportunities to show

1554
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 5: love to your friends and family who when things are good.

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01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 3: You should make note of that.

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01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 5: You shouldn't always tell a person how you feel about

1557
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,679
Speaker 5: them because y'all are in conflict and it's negative. Tell

1558
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 5: people how much you love them, tell them how much

1559
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 5: you appreciate the role that they play in your life.

1560
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 5: When it comes to your friends and family, that's important

1561
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:35,680
Speaker 5: to me. I feel like my friends and family that

1562
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 5: I love and fuck with like that are supposed to

1563
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 5: know it because it affirms the relationship and makes people

1564
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 5: feel safe when it's honest. You know, when somebody's blowing

1565
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 5: smoke up your ass, but big your friends up, big

1566
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 5: your family up. You know what I'm saying, And just

1567
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 5: make sure that that heartbeat is there and those relationships

1568
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:56,560
Speaker 5: because as you can see, the absence of it looks crazy.

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01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 3: So agreed.

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01:22:58,920 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 2: All right?

1571
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 1: Oh listen, I love you too, as if we were

1572
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 1: all from the same well, so.

1573
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 2: Know that.

1574
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1575
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 1: Two areas and a libra baby, Okay.

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01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 2: Ray drops. We will see y'all on Monday. Have a

1577
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 2: great weekend and happy Halloween. And don't forget daylight saving

1578
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 2: times on Sunday.

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01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 4: That's right, Happy Halloween, y'all. See you Monday.

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01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 2: I Love y'all.

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01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 1: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King,

1582
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership.

1583
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 2: With the Lack Effect Network.

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01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: You can also find us on my YouTube channel at

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01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,600
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