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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, a beautiful young woman suffering, suffering,

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Speaker 2: We watch from her blog as she.

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Speaker 2: Or was she?

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grece. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us here at vaccination in Sirius xem one eleven.

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Speaker 1: Who is Amanda?

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Speaker 2: Listen?

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Speaker 3: Amanda's blogs weren't just filled with words. There were hundreds

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Speaker 3: of heart wrenching and wore intimate pictures detailing her journey

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Speaker 3: from copious vials of blood take and for testing, to

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Speaker 3: step by step photos of a hair falling out.

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Speaker 4: Amanda Riley A M A N D A R I

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Speaker 5: I work on the campaign for lu cumulan Phoma Society,

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Speaker 5: and I'm also a Stage four refractory blood cancer patient.

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Speaker 3: Amanda, then twenty seven, had just given birth to her

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Speaker 3: first child. Amanda's blog posts are read by actor Kendall Horn.

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Speaker 6: Before I was pregnant, they diagnosed me with lupus. The

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Speaker 6: diagnosed has stuck for quite a while. After Carter, our

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Speaker 6: son was born, my blood counts dropped so dramatically that

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Speaker 3: It's hard to imagine what it's like for Amanda, the

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Speaker 3: joy of becoming a mother rudely interrupted by some heart

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Speaker 3: wrenching news her life will never be the same again.

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Speaker 6: After a vat of tests, I was diagnosed with hodgkinslim Filmer.

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Speaker 1: Joining me an ostar panel to make sense of what

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Speaker 1: we know right now this young woman, a brand new mom,

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Speaker 2: Literally tens of thousands.

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Speaker 1: Of people around the world were spill bound, drawn to

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Speaker 2: Like no other, as she battles Hodgkins. Listen.

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Speaker 3: A brand new blog popped up on a website called

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Speaker 3: blog spot. The homepage heading was simple, my story, Our journey.

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Speaker 3: A post appeared, what the heck is Hodgkins Lympoma?

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Speaker 6: My goal with this blog is to not only keep

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Speaker 6: friends and family in the loop, but serve as a

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Speaker 6: resource to all those newly diagnosed. Doctors don't provide great

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Speaker 6: you're diagnosed with the disease. I have Hodgkins lymphoma, and

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Speaker 6: it's been quite the journey to figure it out.

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Speaker 1: The author c Riley so you're hearing more and more

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Speaker 1: about her and about her horrible battle with Hodgkin's lymphoma.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing the voice of Charlie Webster, who is joining

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Speaker 1: us right now. But first I'm going to go to

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Speaker 1: a special guest joining me, Karen Stark, renowned psychologist out

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Speaker 1: of Manhattan. You can find her at Karenstark dot com.

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Speaker 1: That's Karen with a Sea, but also cancer survivor, Karen.

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Speaker 1: If you could just try, and I've never asked you this,

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Speaker 1: to summarize your battle, what you went through battling cancer,

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Speaker 1: the ups and the downs and the heartbreaks and the

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Speaker 1: seemingly never ending battle that you have suffered and fought

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Speaker 1: so valiantly.

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Speaker 2: What was it like, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: It's so hard to describe because I think about you,

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Speaker 7: you just don't imagine it happening. And I think for everybody,

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Speaker 7: the idea of cancer without having a cure really is

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Speaker 7: You go through, you take drugs, whatever you need to do,

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Speaker 7: I needed to go through chemotherapy. And you're dealing with

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Speaker 7: your mortality. You know the fact that you love life.

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Speaker 7: You don't want to be sick, you want to be

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Speaker 1: As tens of thousands tune in to Amanda's blogs for

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Speaker 1: every development, suddenly they go cold.

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Speaker 6: I was invited to attend the Look Good, Feel Better

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Speaker 6: I was among other women undergoing chemo. Best part, we

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Speaker 6: got a huge goodieback of makeup Chanelle Avon, Bobby Brown,

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Speaker 5: Screw you cancer, I win twelve months of testing, eight

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Speaker 2: We won, but tragically there was a relapse. Listen.

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Speaker 3: She actually knew Leanne Rhymes as steel player, and she

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Speaker 6: After the concert, her wonderful steel player escorted us to

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Speaker 1: But then out of the blue, there seems to be

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Speaker 1: a bump in the road, a fly in the ointment.

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Speaker 2: So to speak. Listen to our cut seven Charlie Webster.

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Speaker 8: Maybe a couple years into her blog, it was removed

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Speaker 4: The blog would be up for a long time, and

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Speaker 8: And what I had heard happened is that she was

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Speaker 3: Lindsay Wilder Amanda's friend from church.

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Speaker 8: But it was a whole mix up because there was

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Speaker 1: Okay, in my world, there is no coincidence. But could

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Speaker 1: it pop possibly be that there are two beautiful young

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Speaker 2: That's quite a coincidence. You know.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned that you were hearing the voice of Charlie Webster,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't mention that Charlie is the host of

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Speaker 1: Scamanda scam Anda Scamanda.

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Speaker 2: Time Stories with Nancy.

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Speaker 1: Grace Charlie Webster, award winning journalists and broadcaster at Lionsgate.

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Speaker 2: You can find Charlie at Charlie Webster dot com.

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Speaker 1: Is with us also special guest Nancy Moscatello, investigative producerep

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Speaker 1: of Scamanda, whose Martinez former detective who worked this case.

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Speaker 1: That should give you a big tip off about Amanda Riley.

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Speaker 1: And last, but certainly not least, Lindsey Wilder, former church

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Speaker 1: member who donated so much plasma to save Amanda's life,

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Speaker 1: the plasma bank cut her off for safety reasons.

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Speaker 2: You know you hear a last call like at a bar.

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Speaker 1: That's what they did to Lindsay. Last call woman. No

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Speaker 1: more donating for Amanda Riley. You've maxed out. She donated

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Speaker 1: so much of her own plasma.

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Speaker 2: The plasma Bank cut her off.

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Speaker 1: First of all, to Charlie Webster, Scamanda, amazing.

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Speaker 2: Start at the beginning. Everybody jump in. You feel like it.

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Speaker 1: This is not he Ti at Winsor Castle with the

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Speaker 2: Let it go. Charlie Webster, Oh my stars.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I can't wait to hear how you

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Speaker 1: came up with the idea of Scamander.

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Speaker 2: But just tell me Amanda Riley's story.

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Speaker 1: How much does she scam I understand about one hundred

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and Nanda, I love the way you did that,

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Speaker 9: and thank you for kind of doing this scam It's amazing. Honestly,

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Speaker 9: it took us so much to go back and forth

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Speaker 9: and I had so many conversations about that.

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Speaker 2: She did scam.

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Speaker 9: Over one hundred thousand dollars worth of people's money, but

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Speaker 9: with what was sent over the Why is so the

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, waiting a minute, I'm drinking from the

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Speaker 2: Charlie Wester.

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Speaker 1: You've just given me so much information that once I'm

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Speaker 2: So let me understand.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying you said it was over one hundred

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Speaker 1: Twenty five dollars to one person is like two hundred

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Speaker 2: Exactly, you know, that's straight out of the Bible. Remember,

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Speaker 1: Of all the rich members of the temple were giving

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Speaker 9: One thing I want to point out is you make

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Speaker 9: such an amazing point, Nancy, because there was so many people,

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Speaker 9: as you mentioned about Lindsey, that gave their own selves,

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Speaker 9: their own emotions, their own energy, their time, services, Like

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Speaker 9: people donated food and so she could eat and her

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Speaker 10: But no, she didn't.

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Speaker 1: Okay, no, wait a minute, you just really struck a

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Speaker 1: chord hold on. Charlie Webster and Nancy Moscatello and Jose

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Speaker 2: Of course, don't be shy, but.

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Speaker 1: Lindsey Wilder is joining us who donates so much Plasid

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Speaker 2: I call myself a castlerole.

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Speaker 1: Christian because when you don't where I come from, when

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Speaker 1: you don't know what to do for somebody, you make

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Speaker 1: him a casserole. You make him a whole meal, the rules,

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Speaker 1: And I stood in that kitchen many a time making

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Speaker 1: going to keep trying. Here, you were giving your plasma

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Speaker 11: Absolutely. So I knew that I didn't have much to

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Speaker 4: I got involved. I've been working in true crime and

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Speaker 2: Know the truth.

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Speaker 3: Listen, and there was another Amanda Riley, a seventeen year

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Speaker 1: Wow, that is quite a coincidence, isn't it. Jose Martinez,

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Speaker 1: So, Jose, I want to go back to you going

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Speaker 10: the in the favor of anybody who was supporting on

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Speaker 10: Miss Riley.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you were right. Your instincts were right, because listen

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Speaker 2: to this.

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Speaker 1: We now know that this person, Amanda Riley, had convinced

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Speaker 1: her family she had cancer and went so far is

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Speaker 1: to actually sue someone that questioned her diagnosis. Yeah, she

447
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Speaker 1: sued somebody for saying, you don't have cancer. You're stealing

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Speaker 1: from people in the name of being a cancer victim,

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Speaker 1: which you were not.

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Speaker 2: She sued them. Jose.

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, And the thing is is that you know,

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Speaker 10: I when I really sat back and looked at it

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Speaker 10: and I thought, what would be the perfect crime having

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Speaker 10: an illness? You know, what's what makes it a perfect crime?

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Speaker 10: On those and and the fact that the hippologues that

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Speaker 10: protect patient confidentiality uh is a protection for her. It

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Speaker 10: became the core of what was to be because it

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Speaker 10: protected her from anyone questioning her. Who's going to go

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Speaker 10: to her doctor and which doctor is going to say,

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Speaker 10: you know, you know, give personal information about somebody's illness

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Speaker 10: to anybody, especially in the investigator or anybody outside of that.

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Speaker 10: Nobody is going to do that. And that's what I

463
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Speaker 10: found that, you know, nobody wants to talk, nobody wants

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Speaker 10: to be in violation of that particular law.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean there's also the moral problem. There's a

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Speaker 1: moral problem, Lindsay Wilder. Not only is there hippa who

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Speaker 1: protect patient confidentiality and patient information who wants to go

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Speaker 1: up to a cancer patient and give them a hard time?

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Speaker 1: We worked in comfort them and help them. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Lindsay Wilder, how did you find out you were scammed

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Speaker 1: out of your own plasma?

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Speaker 11: Oh my goodness, I don't even know where to start,

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Speaker 11: but I will tell you right away. I still believed

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Speaker 11: her for a period of time, I was under the

475
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Speaker 11: impression I saw this with my own eyes. I saw

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Speaker 11: her pass out. I saw her pee your pants.

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Speaker 1: Okay, can I get back to the as you say,

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Speaker 1: pee her pants part?

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Speaker 2: Okay? What yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I hope you are writing all this down quickly. Well, well,

481
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Speaker 1: so she had a fake fainting spell and fake Peter pants.

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Speaker 9: Well, she did peer pants and she did faint. And

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Speaker 9: that's why she was so convincing. That's how she managed

484
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Speaker 9: to do something like this is to use something that

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Speaker 9: you would never imagine anybody using to be able to

486
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Speaker 9: manipulate someone because cancer, like Karen said earlier, touch so

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Speaker 9: many of our life. But she did Peter pants, and

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Speaker 9: she did faint, and she did do all these things.

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Speaker 9: I'm billing to just came for her. Nancy. Yeah, So

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Speaker 9: that's what was so convincing. It wasn't like she faded

491
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Speaker 9: like she did go to hospital. She did sit there

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Speaker 9: looking like she had temos. She did go to all

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Speaker 9: these different trials and hospitals and take pictures.

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Speaker 2: But how does she pull that off? I don't get it,

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Speaker 2: first of all, with it.

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Speaker 1: My question is how does she You go in a

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Speaker 1: hospital and you convince them to hook you up to

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Speaker 1: monitors and stuff.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you would do that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when I try to write a check at

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Speaker 1: the grocery store, I get the third degree. So how

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00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: do you walk into a hospital and convince them to

503
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Speaker 1: just hook you up and take all these pictures?

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Speaker 2: That's a question.

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Speaker 1: But wait, Lindsey Wilder, I want to hear about the

506
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Speaker 1: paying the pants part.

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Speaker 11: Oh yeah, I remember it. So while I was actually

508
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Speaker 11: sitting next to her, so she started feeling very hot,

509
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Speaker 11: she said, and she said, I need to go get

510
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Speaker 11: a drink of water. She got up from next to us,

511
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Speaker 11: she walked to the back of the church and she

512
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Speaker 11: hit the floor. At that point is when she peter pants.

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Speaker 11: And I will tell you every single person in the congregation,

514
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Speaker 11: and I have to tell you there were one hundreds

515
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Speaker 11: started praying for her in that moment. Whatever sermon was

516
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Speaker 11: happening stopped entirely. The pastor got off the stage and

517
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Speaker 11: circled around her praying over her. And that, I kid

518
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Speaker 11: you not, is the first time in my life I prayed.

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Speaker 4: And let me give you a perspective. This is the

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Speaker 4: other Nancy hit me because as someone why and reading

521
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 4: the blog in real time, as this is unfolding because

522
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 4: by now I'm I'm hooked and I'm following. Peeing her

523
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 4: pants and blogging about it was her go to. So

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Speaker 4: it happened in church, it happened where she worked, It

525
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 4: happened in the park with her kids for some reason.

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Speaker 4: She fainted and peede her pants and blogged about it

527
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Speaker 4: several times over and each time hot needed water. If

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Speaker 4: you ask me, I'm convinced that was water and not paid.

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Speaker 4: But that's me because that's what I So there's a

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Speaker 4: game with Amanda, and unless you are looking at it

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Speaker 4: through completely different lenses, that's how Amanda did it. So

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Speaker 4: that's and so you know she was dedicated and she

533
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 4: was good at it.

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Speaker 2: How do you go at a hospital? Jose Martinez Time

535
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Speaker 2: Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Guys, we are talking to Charlie West, her host of Scamanda,

537
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: to Nancy Moscatela, the investigative producer co EP of Scamanda.

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Speaker 1: Whose Martinez, the detective who worked this case probably still

539
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: having nightmares about it. Lindsay Wilder, who gotten cut off

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Speaker 1: at the Plasma Bank for donating so much Plaza to

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Speaker 1: save this woman's life. Karen Start, renowned psychologist out of

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Speaker 1: Manhattan and cancer survivor. I mean just the thought of

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Speaker 1: this woman using cancer survivors, cancer warriors like Karen Stark,

544
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Speaker 1: using my friend Karen, start to get money and this

545
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Speaker 1: one hundred grand that's a tip of the iceberg. You've

546
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Speaker 1: got Lindsey Wilder laid out on a gurney giving plasma

547
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Speaker 1: to this woman. So Lindsey, I'm just trying to take

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Speaker 1: in how she faked it all.

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Speaker 2: But what I know get J Jose.

550
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Speaker 1: Martinez, is how do you go to a hospital and

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Speaker 1: convince them to hook you up so you can take

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Speaker 1: pictures for your blog.

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Speaker 10: Well, if you look at the pictures, you have to

554
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Speaker 10: ask yourself what am I really looking at? So when

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00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 10: you look at the pictures, like there's pictures of her

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Speaker 10: in a hallway or with the beanie cap on and

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Speaker 10: then a little oxygen tube that ghosts into your nose

558
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Speaker 10: and around your ears, But there's nothing in the hallway.

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Speaker 13: It's empty.

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Speaker 10: So I'm not really seeing anything that convinces me that

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Speaker 10: she's really hooked up to something. It's the appearance of it,

562
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 10: and that's what she's selling in those pictures, is the appearance,

563
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Speaker 10: the shaved head, all the things that we relate to

564
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Speaker 10: the illness, well especially this illness. She's she's doing the

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Speaker 10: checkboxes and people are believing just what they see and

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Speaker 10: then they're believing this based on the superficial picture but

567
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Speaker 10: not really knowing. And the whole, the whole question that

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Speaker 10: I kept getting from all the hospitals that I call

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Speaker 10: is why would somebody fake cancer? And so that on

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Speaker 10: top of just the images, nobody's questioning it. So that

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Speaker 10: is you know, that's again, that's part of the whole scam.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I'm just trying to take the whole thing. And

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Speaker 2: guys take a listen now.

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Speaker 1: Cut eleven from our friends of Crime online dot com.

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Speaker 12: A former teacher and principal who courageously fought her battle

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Speaker 12: with cancer, using her blog and social media to detail

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Speaker 12: all of her ups and downs. She shared how expensive

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Speaker 12: the cancer bella could be and sought donations from anyone

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Speaker 12: who could help. She claimed to have support from major

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Speaker 12: celebrities like Lenne Rhymes. Well, well, now it seems it

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Speaker 12: was all a scam. Amanda c Riley never had cancer. Never.

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Speaker 12: She didn't use the money to pay for cancer treatment,

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Speaker 12: but she did use it to help pay living expenses.

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Speaker 12: Federal prosecutors and the irs claim. Riley received four hundred

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Speaker 12: and forty seven online donations totally over sixty thousand dollars

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Speaker 12: through her support Amanda Page alone. Thousands more was raised

587
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Speaker 12: by volunteers who organized fundraisers like chili cookoff contest, Facebook

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Speaker 12: challenge and auctioning off on eBay autograph guitars by LeAnn

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Speaker 12: Rimes and Alan Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Okay, whoa white a minute? Whoa wait? White white white.

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Speaker 1: White, Charlie Webster, she got Lianne Rimes to donate guitars

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Speaker 1: Alan Jackson, Chili cookoffs.

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Speaker 2: This is a lot. This is a lot bigger than

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Speaker 2: one hundred grand.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's so much bigger. And like you said, it's

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Speaker 9: people preys. This is this is what's so fascinating about

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Speaker 9: this this podcast, commander is And the whole point we

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00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 9: used her, I used her blogs throughout and got an

599
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 9: actress to read them is is you almost become convinced

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Speaker 9: when you're listening to it, even though you know she's lying.

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00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 9: And it was so there's so many twists and turns.

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00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 9: I mean Nancy, who originally was through an anonymous Thaws,

603
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 9: was told about Amanda a long time ago, years years.

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Speaker 9: Nancy has been trying to pursue her in a personal way.

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00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 9: It did become personal because Amanda tried to get a

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Speaker 9: subpoena against Nancy and actually strung it out for months

607
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Speaker 9: and months, tried to discredit Nancy. Took us a chord,

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Speaker 9: she used her own. She basically also used fam to

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Speaker 9: break a family up by using her cancer. So she

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Speaker 9: actually took Oh, it's so awful her husband's daughter off

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Speaker 9: her mother by using her cancer to manipulate people Nancy.

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Speaker 9: I was even in touch with Amanda fairly recently, and

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Speaker 9: she thought that I was hired by Nancy to try

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Speaker 9: and get at her. And she's still not taking that

615
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 9: accountability and responsibility. But the thing about her is she's

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Speaker 9: so nice. It's kind of weird.

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Speaker 10: She's so cute.

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Speaker 9: She's like so perlite and so lovely and so empathetic,

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Speaker 9: and you kind of get drawn in. And we have

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Speaker 9: this perception that criminals are these kind of big, bad

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Speaker 9: monsters and rah scary people, but she was so kind

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Speaker 9: and lovely, and that's how she infiltrated and abused so

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Speaker 9: many people. And it's that kind of violation of not

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00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 9: just the money or the castle roles, as you said,

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Speaker 9: or the chili, cook goss, the time, the energy. But

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Speaker 9: it's that violation, is that sense of sell us on

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Speaker 9: the abuse of trust. But honestly, it's unbelievably convincing.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out who can tell me about

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Speaker 1: her family? I mean, she has children who are going

630
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Speaker 1: to grow up to say, yeah, my mom faked cancer

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Speaker 1: and raked in like what one, two, three hundred thousand dollars? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean we only know about the credit card or

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Speaker 1: the electronic donations. We don't know about the hundreds of

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Speaker 1: thousands of dollars and man hours put into trying to

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Speaker 1: help her.

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Speaker 2: Charlie and Nancy. Did her family believe her?

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Speaker 1: And what were you saying about taking a daughter away

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Speaker 1: and breaking up the family?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: If I could speak to that, So, yeah, go on.

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Speaker 4: To one of the first things I did when you know,

642
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Speaker 4: learning about Amanda in the situation. During that tip, I pulled.

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Speaker 4: I looked for court cases. I looked for anything I

644
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Speaker 4: could to see who is Amanda Ryley?

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Speaker 10: What is she about?

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Speaker 4: And one of the there was two court cases, a

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Speaker 4: bankruptcy court case for her and her husband, Corey Riley,

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Speaker 4: and then custody case with Corey Riley and his one

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Speaker 4: of his ex his ex wife, Alita. So the one

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Speaker 4: of the very first things I did, as I called,

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Speaker 4: I reached out to Alita Burnelle Riley and just hey,

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Speaker 4: here's who I am, very vague, very like I see

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Speaker 4: court papers, I'm kind of pre interviewing. I'm looking at Amanda.

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Speaker 4: And at that point, Amanda's support system wanted her on

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Speaker 4: the Ellen Show and this show and please somebody help

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Speaker 4: her help this mom who's dying. So there was a

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Speaker 4: lot of attention for her to get more attention. Right,

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Speaker 4: So when I spoke with this this ex wife, she said, well,

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Speaker 4: I have nothing nice to say about those Amanda Riley

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Speaker 4: and Corey Riley, but you know, and I would never

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Speaker 4: but I would never say anything because she's dying with

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Speaker 4: cancer and you know that is my daughter's stepmother. And

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Speaker 4: I said, well, you know what's going on. So basically

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Speaker 4: they were in a court, a custody battle. Everything in

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Speaker 4: that custody battle, the papers filed, we late had a

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Speaker 4: hook that mister Riley's wife was dying with cancer and

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Speaker 4: the medical bills were so astronomical and this ex wife

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Speaker 4: was so out of control and such a horrible person

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Speaker 4: that they should have custody of this young girl.

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Speaker 1: So basically they attacked the bio mom, yeah, and say

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Speaker 1: she shouldn't have custody because correct the stepmom, Amanda Riley's

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Speaker 1: dying of cancer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well not only dying, but you know, this mom

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Speaker 4: was unfit according to Amanda and Corey, right, So there

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Speaker 4: was a lot of manipulation in that course. So this

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Speaker 4: woman was in the battle of her life to keep

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Speaker 4: her daughter and they want, you know, they took custody

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Speaker 4: away for a year and a half. And at that

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Speaker 4: point is when I came into Alida's life.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe they got her study of the daughter,

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Speaker 1: and the daughter probably believed the whole thing hook line

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Speaker 1: and sink her.

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Speaker 2: Oh where is she now? Where's the daughter?

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Speaker 9: The daughter now is? And I think it's really important

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Speaker 9: to say this. She does really struggle, and she's a

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Speaker 9: wonderful young woman, but she does struggle from what's happened

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Speaker 9: because this was her the majority of her life. She

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Speaker 9: was manipulated by this woman under her own ruth, even

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Speaker 9: to the point where her and the two sons of

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Speaker 9: biological sons of Amanda and Corey were told that they

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Speaker 9: might potentially have to donate their donate plasma or their

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Speaker 9: organs because she was dying. It was it wasn't just

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Speaker 9: kind of to the outside of the community. They did

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Speaker 9: emotionally damage the children.

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Speaker 2: And is the bio daughter back with her by a mom?

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Speaker 7: Yes she is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh yeah, guess.

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Speaker 1: This is so much worse than I thought. It was

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Speaker 1: just scamming money. And then I find out about Lindsey

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Speaker 1: Wilder and she stole her plasma like a vampire. You know,

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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, I've just got to hear your take a

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Speaker 1: cancer warrior. And Karen, how long have you been battling cancer?

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Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes it's as long as I can remember.

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Speaker 7: It was ten years, Nancy, it was a whole decade.

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Speaker 7: And yeah, now I'm much better. I'm fine right now.

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Speaker 2: Prank God.

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Speaker 7: It was a long journey. And when I'm listening to

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Speaker 7: all this is a psychologist, I have to say I'm

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Speaker 7: not surprised at all because someone who is a psychopath,

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Speaker 7: who who's able to con people notoriously charming, wonderful, hard

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Speaker 7: to believe. And if you take a personality like that

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Speaker 7: and you add an illness that no one would ever

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Speaker 7: think somebody would.

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Speaker 2: Con them about, who would ever come up.

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Speaker 7: With something about cancer, and so I am not the

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Speaker 7: least bit surprised that she was able to convince everybody.

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Speaker 2: So what I.

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Speaker 1: Think, Karen, what you have been through, what you have suffered,

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Speaker 1: What you have endured over and over and over again

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Speaker 1: for ten years, Karen Stark, and this woman makes a

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Speaker 1: mockery of that, using her own children to punish them,

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Speaker 1: to torture them, to further her scam Guys, it is

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Speaker 1: well I've heard it all, but I can truly say

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Speaker 1: that today, after hearing them out about Amanda Riley, I

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Speaker 1: feel like I've heard it all that nothing is going

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