Speaker 1: What up, y'all. This is your main man, Memphis Bleak
Speaker 1: right here.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Rock Solid, a production of iHeart Radio and
Speaker 2: the Black Effect Network in partnership with my guys over
Speaker 2: at Drink Champs.
Speaker 1: Big with the year Memphis. I'm back, Gaddy niggas.
Speaker 2: Notice the difference, just more chron present, no stones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all you already know what it is.
Speaker 2: Back with another one exclusive rock Solid by yours truly
Speaker 2: Memphis Bleak. And I tell you everybody sitting on this platform,
Speaker 2: in one way or another, is my brother and number
Speaker 2: two they Solid and this man right here is a legend,
Speaker 2: one of the most part of one of the most
Speaker 2: illness rap groups in history that I was an ultra
Speaker 2: fan of growing up, and y'all have no idea. I
Speaker 2: wanted to be down with the hit squad. Let's welcome
Speaker 2: Eric Sermon to the building. My Jesus, what's up, my brother?
Speaker 1: How you doing?
Speaker 2: Before we start? You know, the whole world, say Eric Sherman. Yeah,
Speaker 2: fat Joe yo, he said Sherman. But he called me
Speaker 2: that I love him slide yeah right right.
Speaker 1: I believe everybody say that.
Speaker 2: The producer, you know, my man Cheat and my good
Speaker 2: carist who run the show. She was like, listen, bleak, listen,
Speaker 2: you cannot call that man Sherman in his face.
Speaker 1: You have to say certain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's how you say it though, blieve you've
Speaker 3: been saying it like that's how I say it.
Speaker 2: But it's a I make it easy to say. It's
Speaker 2: a church church sermon. It's full the same way, so
Speaker 2: you look at the sermon that's coming from a pastor
Speaker 2: and people get it like that.
Speaker 3: He'd be like, okay, now it makes it easier. But
Speaker 3: you and Joe say Sherman. It doesn't matter. That's so
Speaker 3: you're my fans.
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 3: I mean, like listen for listen, doesn't bleak, like when
Speaker 3: you anybody that wants to see me, who wants to
Speaker 3: talk to me, or like even in this is the show.
Speaker 1: It's the biggest blessing ever.
Speaker 2: Man. I came in this game in November nineteen eighty seven,
Speaker 2: you know, so it's twenty twenty five crazy. I was nine, right,
Speaker 2: so to be here and still be able to what
Speaker 2: they call relevancy, you know what I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying now, So you're a legend. You relevant?
Speaker 2: Yeah, any time, But I understand that. But you know,
Speaker 2: you respect it.
Speaker 3: But when people hear the legend name, they give you respect,
Speaker 3: shake your hand on. But they don't mean they want
Speaker 3: to fuck with you. I mean they want you to
Speaker 3: come to their office. They want to do a deal
Speaker 3: with you. They want to break bread with you, like
Speaker 3: they're looking for the next but you never But you.
Speaker 2: Can't say that because you're want of the legends that
Speaker 2: been pivoted though you didn't just rat.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, But but what I'm saying, But luckily I'm
Speaker 3: saying that I got the relevancy because I would be
Speaker 3: like the other one of my colleagues where they're not
Speaker 3: doing the business I'm doing because people respect them, but
Speaker 3: they don't want to do business with them, because what
Speaker 3: are you doing at this moment?
Speaker 1: That's right? Yeah, no, think you make the beats.
Speaker 2: You was the management, You put the crew together, the production, like,
Speaker 2: come on, bro, you had a lot of different talents
Speaker 2: than just yes staying on the stage.
Speaker 1: So yeah, man, you know what I'm saying, because you
Speaker 1: gotta be able.
Speaker 3: To set it second job because this is what he
Speaker 3: took over to begin with.
Speaker 2: So this baby, that's right here is where the listen man.
Speaker 2: Tangible goods.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: You can talk about it too, But something that you
Speaker 3: can actually touch, that's right, say, is this right here?
Speaker 2: In alcohol? Nobody has loss? No, I don't give how
Speaker 2: bad it is. I tell people all the time. One
Speaker 2: thing you never see go out of business is a
Speaker 2: liquor store, right exactly? They always do an insurance. Can
Speaker 2: they burn it down?
Speaker 1: Okay, no doubt.
Speaker 3: So this right here was where again I tell people
Speaker 3: too at this they always ask me the question. Besides
Speaker 3: me in my publisher, I own it, so I'm still
Speaker 3: gonna make money for however long.
Speaker 2: It's right, yo, talking about that? How you feel about
Speaker 2: these guys selling their catalog.
Speaker 3: I think the gods are selling their catalogs to Memphis.
Speaker 1: You got.
Speaker 2: You just happen to be fortunate not to be able to.
Speaker 2: But you're talking about the old or new either all
Speaker 2: but the new. The new guys they know that it's
Speaker 2: a lick to get money.
Speaker 3: They don't care about you know what's in the in
Speaker 3: the back ahead, about them turning forty, and whether it's
Speaker 3: not that and this, And then all of a sudden
Speaker 3: you say, if you got a couple of million dollars,
Speaker 3: you know how fast it's been a million dollars quick,
Speaker 3: like like people don't look at it's immediately quick, gone gone,
Speaker 3: you know, and then then if you ain't, if you
Speaker 3: didn't people listen, you go, you go to prison because
Speaker 3: you didn't file, not because you didn't pay. You didn't file,
Speaker 3: so not even like you ducking that's why you get
Speaker 3: in trouble at least file. But Uncle Sam is real.
Speaker 3: They're gonna always be there, so you're gonna have to
Speaker 3: take care of them immediately.
Speaker 1: That money is not yours.
Speaker 3: So say if you've got a million, four hundred of
Speaker 3: thousand dollars, it's not yours.
Speaker 1: That's right. So that's in New York though you're in
Speaker 1: New York.
Speaker 2: I'm in Florida now I'm about two hundred of that
Speaker 2: won't be yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Right, right, so niggas told me to. So you've been
Speaker 3: down there for two years? Now, are you gonna switch
Speaker 3: this it over? I'm like, eventually I might do it,
Speaker 3: but you know, we don't like Florida, Miami that too.
Speaker 3: But anyway, Texas, that's why people went to Texas. There
Speaker 3: to Texas, Nevada. Right, So so but anyway, the million
Speaker 3: dollars two can go quick quick. So then if I
Speaker 3: sell my publishing right now, I have to wait whatever amount.
Speaker 1: Of years for me to get getting it back, get
Speaker 1: it back.
Speaker 3: But in the meantime, the money they gave me, maybe
Speaker 3: it might last a couple of years.
Speaker 2: But now you don't get money for ten years. But
Speaker 2: now my publishing check is not coming. That's right, you know.
Speaker 1: So me personally, I would never sell it. I won't
Speaker 1: sell it. But you're fortunate too, So I ask the
Speaker 1: question why.
Speaker 3: The reason why is the young one wants the money
Speaker 3: up front so he could do what he wanted to
Speaker 3: do at the moment. The older one too needs that
Speaker 3: money because stuff don't slow down or again, things ain't
Speaker 3: the same.
Speaker 2: But I'm talking about even the guys who's selling the
Speaker 2: publishing for one hundred million dollars. They caught that catalog.
Speaker 2: I'm not mad like everything, I'm not mad. I would
Speaker 2: never yeah, but bleak man, I would never. I understand it.
Speaker 2: But if you blow a hundred million dollars, oh it's possible,
Speaker 2: you know, to look at them, I know.
Speaker 3: But people got blueprints now, nigga, Like, what do you
Speaker 3: actually need?
Speaker 1: Mike said something that was prolific. He said.
Speaker 3: Once he stopped chasing the paper, he realized that more
Speaker 3: money would get me a bigger car in a bigger house.
Speaker 1: Can't do nothing else. I can't. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Once I take care of my face family because I
Speaker 3: don't begre I can put the money away from my
Speaker 3: family too. But also my life is shown and my
Speaker 3: whatever I got and my publishing is theres too. But
Speaker 3: my thing was though, bleak, you gotta go back though
Speaker 3: one hundred man, you can leave it to your children.
Speaker 3: You're right, But you got a hundred million. You you're
Speaker 3: saying you can spend it, but on.
Speaker 1: What it bet'll be businesses? Because shit, but what do
Speaker 1: you need? Who? Me? Personally?
Speaker 3: Somebody, some rich men said that if you have twenty minute,
Speaker 3: twenty million liquid.
Speaker 1: Cash, you should be okay forever forever. That's right. So
Speaker 1: why are you.
Speaker 2: Saying to me I would never sell it because me,
Speaker 2: I leave it to my kids, and my kids can
Speaker 2: leave it to their kids. It's something that comes for
Speaker 2: I got, I think about Mike Jack Got think about prints.
Speaker 2: I know people like that's generational wealth. That one hundred million.
Speaker 2: You know what if you don't do the right thing
Speaker 2: where it won't be generation or it be right now
Speaker 2: and listen convention.
Speaker 3: The wealth Listen, Bleak is nine years younger than me,
Speaker 3: right or whatever it is you said. I was, so
Speaker 3: now you're younger than me. So my thing what he
Speaker 3: just said, y'all is very very prolific building wealth. How
Speaker 3: White America does.
Speaker 1: Is like this.
Speaker 3: If Oprah Rimpi is a billionaire, she's the only one.
Speaker 3: There's no wealth that she goes over.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: They, the rob Childs and everybody that you see, may
Speaker 3: sees knows are too. There is generations that the money
Speaker 3: flows down, so we would never be able to contend
Speaker 3: with them because we don't have generations.
Speaker 1: So all of.
Speaker 3: Our billionaires, all of them, if they don't do this,
Speaker 3: then there's.
Speaker 1: No generation wealth.
Speaker 3: So I understand what you mean by the pass down,
Speaker 3: but I thought the money too would give them the
Speaker 3: pass down so they can be secure too. But you
Speaker 3: really can't trust it, especially with my well, my five.
Speaker 1: They you know, you know this I got you might
Speaker 1: run through that.
Speaker 3: Curry Lambeaus thirty thirty one, twenty six, twenty.
Speaker 1: Four and twenty right, God bless me.
Speaker 3: So my youngest one is in third year of college,
Speaker 3: and I'm like looking at them, like, yeah, two of them.
Speaker 1: Is gonna wild out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they going to do bad.
Speaker 1: They ain't coming back, yo.
Speaker 4: But but but but again, twenty million, okay or fifty million,
Speaker 4: and here's job between.
Speaker 1: But you know fifty between five.
Speaker 2: You're right because if I got that, if I got right,
Speaker 2: I would have to have one hundred but for each
Speaker 2: to be twenty.
Speaker 1: So you take a chance on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, man, I'm telling you right, it'll be
Speaker 2: it'll be worth more just passing down the catalog because
Speaker 2: each of them can get it divided equally and they
Speaker 2: can't blow it.
Speaker 3: They can't blow it because it comes forever. It's right,
Speaker 3: you know, I think I gotta think about that. But
Speaker 3: just one hundred million, yo, I gotta think about that.
Speaker 1: That's that's im.
Speaker 2: I I made the call when I seen everything going
Speaker 2: on and I got offered something right, I called my
Speaker 2: my og oh yo, yo, what you think?
Speaker 1: What you have me? He was like, I would never,
Speaker 1: I would never, I would never.
Speaker 3: I heard stories of you're gonna mention the names that
Speaker 3: got eighteen a while ago.
Speaker 1: You know, but you got them.
Speaker 2: Dream was twenty three million. That's no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: my bad. I think two hundred something dream and then
Speaker 2: you have, you know, the NEOs and people like that too,
Speaker 2: that did do the numbers high though you talking about two.
Speaker 1: It's there.
Speaker 2: But you know, you know what I'm saying, if somebody
Speaker 2: ready to give you two hundred, imagine what it is worth.
Speaker 1: Because that's what I said, fortunate.
Speaker 2: That's like, they're not giving you two hundred to make fifty.
Speaker 1: They seeing what you already make what.
Speaker 2: You already and they calcul in that by the next
Speaker 2: fifty years.
Speaker 3: I keep I don't want to make it a race thing.
Speaker 3: But again, White America moves on the long game.
Speaker 2: That means they will wait twenty years because they know
Speaker 2: you can't wait.
Speaker 1: They got the money to wait twice. Right.
Speaker 2: That long game is that's why I got into, like
Speaker 2: you said, tangible goods, let restaurants, real estate, things that
Speaker 2: I can give my kids when I'm not if anything
Speaker 2: was to happen, there is businesses.
Speaker 3: And you know they're selling the restaurant in the houses, right,
Speaker 3: Huh did they sell in the house in the restaurant.
Speaker 1: They Oh, they better not sell a restaurant, they better
Speaker 1: go run it.
Speaker 2: The house is flip it, Yeah, that's what the equity
Speaker 2: get built for. Flip the house. You gonna do what
Speaker 2: you gotta do. That's not I don't care about that
Speaker 2: one of them. I know what dad said, my son,
Speaker 2: but we're not said this restaurant can go. It's like
Speaker 2: what you said, my son, he get that bag like that, right?
Speaker 2: He fucking Kanye West. It's gone fashion. Nigga will be
Speaker 2: niggas in Japan. The nigga be at the show and
Speaker 2: it'd be over bro. But Yo, let's take it. Let's
Speaker 2: let's take them back. Let's talk about the come up
Speaker 2: man Long Island. But you told me something off camera
Speaker 2: that you said, you're from.
Speaker 3: Brooklyn, right, this is why this is I'm I'm born
Speaker 3: and raised in Long Island, right, But my fan was
Speaker 3: in was in pink houses, so shut out. So when
Speaker 3: when I was seventeen, that's why you know, I frequent that,
Speaker 3: you know, doing the end of high school. When I
Speaker 3: knew that, again, school was school, but it was okay.
Speaker 3: So again you know my cousins, the Woodson's and my
Speaker 3: cousin Jammel and the and his two brothers, they lived
Speaker 3: there and was was raised and there they moved from
Speaker 3: someplace else in Brooklyn and moved the pink houses. So
Speaker 3: through my early career. That's where I stomped at you know,
Speaker 3: so I went there whatever. Every day I went there,
Speaker 3: I had to have some girls behind the building. I
Speaker 3: had some girls in the building, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So again, and and and when we was in there
Speaker 3: to the point where sometimes you know, you you really
Speaker 3: couldn't like really just walk up in the building like
Speaker 3: you know, so so if I bring friends, it was like, nah,
Speaker 3: you got to stay in the car, you know, like
Speaker 3: you wasn't really from there, but you know, not me,
Speaker 3: but I bring up the right exactly.
Speaker 2: So you had to be from a prop if you
Speaker 2: wasn't certified or really from that project, you couldn't bring
Speaker 2: the home.
Speaker 3: And even though we all out there, you know a
Speaker 3: lot of the niggas is a home now, you know.
Speaker 2: But but but but but dracking numbers from Siples. All
Speaker 2: these people so and so they're all home now so
Speaker 2: but so and my boy cat like all these people
Speaker 2: that was And then the plaza was can do Rod Shawn,
Speaker 2: Steve and all this is wonderful, This is all too
Speaker 2: but this is plaza, pink houses and Cyprus. So again
Speaker 2: three together you have boys and some but you but
Speaker 2: they wasn't coming, you know, whatever we was, you know,
Speaker 2: you couldn't go through every then Roger and then we
Speaker 2: had the diner where because the diner is a little
Speaker 2: bit more down, but everybody went to the diner. But
Speaker 2: but anyway, again that part of too not knowing that
Speaker 2: Uncle Murder was there, Yeah, Pink because he because we
Speaker 2: was in the I was doing something for power. You know,
Speaker 2: there was the episode that had came back whatever season
Speaker 2: two fifty had a bunch of artists coming through, so
Speaker 2: he wanted e Pd to do you got to chill? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so so so we were formed performed that night, and
Speaker 2: but he was telling fifty like, yo, you know, you
Speaker 2: know from the building, you know, and but Maine on
Speaker 2: them knew, you know, people that you know understood what
Speaker 2: it was. But again I'm young, so my thought process
Speaker 2: of niggas getting busy wasn't in my thought process, Like okay,
Speaker 2: so so I know that most of these niggas is killers, right,
Speaker 2: and but it's it's Eric, you know, it's the Rapper.
Speaker 2: You know a few of us of them played basketball,
Speaker 2: so they was off limits to But at the end of.
Speaker 1: The day two we all still got busy.
Speaker 3: And then when niggas saw me busting guns and Staten
Speaker 3: Allen niggas because I got.
Speaker 1: Robbed, so let them things fly. I had to be.
Speaker 1: I was because I was love. I was embarrassed, That's
Speaker 1: what do it. Embarrassment.
Speaker 3: But I wrote this song like, yeah, I was young
Speaker 3: and dumb, and I could have ended my career.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But again, I went to Staten Island, right, you drove
Speaker 2: over there with the biscuit or you No, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: listen what happened?
Speaker 3: So let me get the story going. So what happened
Speaker 3: was I met this girl already know, so she.
Speaker 2: Was in and and let me see Movetings Park Slope.
Speaker 1: I was in. It's in the record. Ye yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yea yeah, no I was.
Speaker 3: I was in New Brighton bright right, So okay, it's
Speaker 3: hood over there. But I don't know that neither. I'm
Speaker 3: looking at the girl because the funk about nothing else.
Speaker 3: Look at not tore down fucking Clinton Hills the sky.
Speaker 3: I was laying them chicks out.
Speaker 1: He said. I ain't care about the hood chick.
Speaker 3: So so when I was when I'll get all right,
Speaker 3: So when I went to I'm excited to the terrorists
Speaker 3: as wild so so so so.
Speaker 1: When you went.
Speaker 3: So when I went to to there, I already was
Speaker 3: with the girls. So now I went back again and
Speaker 3: my boy, but not my best friend. His father had
Speaker 3: a church in statnll and so he was the pastor already.
Speaker 3: Because that's when I already already knew who Tang. I
Speaker 3: got a picture of me and Whu Tang in nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty nine before they was famous. Because Ray Corner, I
Speaker 3: was gonna sign him Dolo by myself at the time.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. But so I went back the second time.
Speaker 3: The nigga that's dead from the Foursome D's it was
Speaker 3: his birthday, right, so I'm talking with him.
Speaker 2: I forgot was when it wasn't. Steve was the one
Speaker 2: that passed away. So we talking.
Speaker 3: He's like, yo, EO, I'm going to go to the
Speaker 3: store and get me a bother you want to drink.
Speaker 3: I'm like, nah, I'm cool. Soon as he left, I
Speaker 3: went in the building. Now she was on the on
Speaker 3: the first floor, so I opened the door. I was
Speaker 3: on my way upstairs already, but somebody, Yo, come back,
Speaker 3: I'm gona shoot your man. I come back down the stairs.
Speaker 3: They got the gun and my man's stomach. So I
Speaker 3: walked back, you know. So now my mind I'm angry,
Speaker 3: you know. So now I'm like, yo, this is not happening.
Speaker 3: He said, take your chain off. I had a big chain,
Speaker 3: I had some rings, you know.
Speaker 2: But I had a thousand dollars on my chest and
Speaker 2: I had the Benzi box on me.
Speaker 1: We had you were too young.
Speaker 3: I don't know about the box and bock. When you
Speaker 3: take the radio out with you, you know, you take it
Speaker 3: out and then you go, there's what we had back then.
Speaker 2: So sorry, So now he snatched my chain and take
Speaker 2: the Benzie box.
Speaker 3: Then he shoots in the air blop. So when I
Speaker 3: get outside and he's like, yo, what happened? It was
Speaker 3: too fast for them to know that happened. So they
Speaker 3: set me up. So I don't know if it was
Speaker 3: the foursome d Nigga knew what was going on, but
Speaker 3: I was in the wrong spot.
Speaker 1: But let me tell you something too.
Speaker 3: While I'm talking to him, I see a lady in
Speaker 3: the door, an old lady, but it looked like a mask.
Speaker 3: It looked fake, but I'm not thinking it's fake. It
Speaker 3: was him. He was already getting ready to get me.
Speaker 3: So now he got me snatched up, and that so
Speaker 3: my whole thing too. I'm mad because I gotta drive
Speaker 3: home with no music. That's where I'm really mad at.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you finish.
Speaker 2: Don't tell me you shot at the foursome being no,
Speaker 2: this is I just wanted to make sure.
Speaker 1: So now.
Speaker 2: Paris gets the phone call from from from from from
Speaker 2: his man. You know that they rob your boy, so
Speaker 2: I said. So I lied to Parish like you robbed me.
Speaker 2: I was embarrassed.
Speaker 1: You know e P M D.
Speaker 2: No, don't get close you might get shot. You know
Speaker 2: all the persona of it, but it could happen. I listen,
Speaker 2: I got caught slipping. So now my embarrassment. I go
Speaker 2: to Fort Greene. I go get Hawking Dog. Oh you
Speaker 2: into the trenches, you in the ship. So Hawking Dog.
Speaker 2: Niggas know them so that we can know has them.
Speaker 2: These niggas. It got busy right, and people know them too.
Speaker 2: So my cousin went to go get my cousin Jammel.
Speaker 3: When they picked up Hawking Dog, we rode back to
Speaker 3: to stat Now on that Saturday, another a weekend, so
Speaker 3: we went to a random club, but it was stop
Speaker 3: now we didn't care. So we just walked in just
Speaker 3: to be walking in, looking around this and that that
Speaker 3: and this whatever such and such.
Speaker 2: And then when the club let out, pulled the bens up,
Speaker 2: I was in my own car, popped the trunk, undea,
Speaker 2: the tire started letting off. Whole club just shut up.
Speaker 2: The club just shotting up the outside whatever.
Speaker 1: That and that.
Speaker 3: So because we had to make a statement, we could
Speaker 3: have hit somebody. Luckily we didn't.
Speaker 2: We got all the way from stopping now and back
Speaker 2: across the bridge in Brooklyn, and nobody knew.
Speaker 1: There was no cops, no nothing like.
Speaker 2: This is not that this, but it got back that
Speaker 2: Eric came came here with three niggas and shot up
Speaker 2: and shot this place up.
Speaker 1: Man, that's crazy. It was putting in that.
Speaker 3: Work because this is what I had to do, you know,
Speaker 3: was dumb and stupid. But again I was embarrassed.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I was embarrassed because in Paris knew, and I was
Speaker 2: embarrassed because I got robbed.
Speaker 1: And then because me being me, he's a young kid,
Speaker 1: like that's how yo, bro, I've been in this situation.
Speaker 1: It happens.
Speaker 2: There's always a girl, it's always a hood you not
Speaker 2: from and you blind after it happened to me. That's
Speaker 2: why I wrote the song. It's one rule, never get
Speaker 2: caught slipping.
Speaker 3: I never thought I never had because then I judge
Speaker 3: the book bos cover. I'm in stott now because it's
Speaker 3: not booking, it's not Queen's, it's not Bronx, it's not hard.
Speaker 1: This is stat now.
Speaker 3: So I judged the book bos cover knowing rock Kim
Speaker 3: just said too, it ain't where you're from, where you at.
Speaker 1: It's not that I didn't even put that.
Speaker 2: Twisted and think stat Allen is I know that now like.
Speaker 1: Now, it had some of the craziest niggas. They couldn't come.
Speaker 3: Across the way they look at the way they looked
Speaker 3: at long Alan, how the boroughs looked at huss As
Speaker 3: being being like that.
Speaker 2: That's what I took to. I took it for granted.
Speaker 3: Where I was at outside jewelry, money boom boom, outside
Speaker 3: talking regular nigga, and this nigga was hungry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hell yeah, that's how it goes. Bro Damn, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: That was an ill story, man, You.
Speaker 1: Know you let that thing fly that Now.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a few niggas that I ain't gonna
Speaker 2: mention no names.
Speaker 1: Chill, we ain't gonna get into that. Man.
Speaker 2: Let's go, let's take it back because e pm D
Speaker 2: y'all was like, what not gonna say the first group
Speaker 2: because you had Beastie Boys, But y'all did your thing.
Speaker 2: Y'all was like a major impact on Death Jail. What
Speaker 2: was that like when y'all first got well?
Speaker 3: The craziest the fact that we got signed again the
Speaker 3: demo records, the true record. We chilled a sixty eight
Speaker 3: camarow that parish had where we had stripped the little
Speaker 3: top off, had it painted, fixed the engine, put rims
Speaker 3: on the whole nine, and we drove it and the
Speaker 3: car did conk out, you know the way the way
Speaker 3: the story says it demo, So it did happen. But
Speaker 3: we went to labels back then you would look at
Speaker 3: the album covers.
Speaker 2: And then address would be on there. So we went
Speaker 2: to three of them, and then the third way we went.
Speaker 3: To Sleeping Back of Records, Fresh Records, and they and
Speaker 3: they called us back and said, yo, we want to
Speaker 3: sign y'all. But after that, you know, Rush management had
Speaker 3: every group, so everybody was on rush.
Speaker 1: Don't matter. I remember yo yo.
Speaker 2: There's a picture with all rush groups out there, rock Him,
Speaker 2: King One, d MC, every everybody was on the one
Speaker 2: block Elizabeth Elizabeth Street and were all out there.
Speaker 1: But I was cars. Oh no, no, I ain't.
Speaker 2: Never it's a short block Elizabeth Street.
Speaker 1: So we out there that one with the cars. So
Speaker 1: that's out there. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I only saw it once, but it's crazy. But run
Speaker 2: dem was getting to go on tour.
Speaker 3: One call hustle, listen, go get them boys because they
Speaker 3: saw how fast we was blowing the as far as
Speaker 3: we it was like soon as soon as it's my
Speaker 3: thing and you were customer drop, it was over. And
Speaker 3: then the album dropped, you got to share, it was over.
Speaker 3: So so run dm C knew the same way that
Speaker 3: when Drake came out, how Kanye was like, I shoot
Speaker 3: the video. Your competition is coming, right, run dm C
Speaker 3: knew that this was the end of an error coming
Speaker 3: probably for them because Rock Him changed the game. And
Speaker 3: then oh, who's these new dudes from Long Island that
Speaker 3: we we patterned our whole self around them, right So then,
Speaker 3: so I don't abel didn't have enough money for us
Speaker 3: to have a tour bus, so we rode on run
Speaker 3: DMC's bus. Can you imagine being the kid go forget
Speaker 3: me and pirates shove that car.
Speaker 1: Not only to go get a deal.
Speaker 3: We wanted to go pick up Sucking Seas from a
Speaker 3: record store called Rock and so Oh, because we didn't
Speaker 3: have no store on that, so we went to Manhattan
Speaker 3: to pick up the Run DMC second c single.
Speaker 1: It's like that on the other side.
Speaker 3: So imagine you're getting the call and now the whole
Speaker 3: tour EPM, d J, Jeffin, the First Prince, Public under
Speaker 3: meet and the EPMD. So it's four of us and
Speaker 3: sometimes it would be Obstatasonic. So we all on nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty eight called the Runhouse Tour. But I'm on Run
Speaker 3: DMC's bus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't even have your own bus. Now we're
Speaker 1: too young for that. I don't have the money for that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But then on the tour, First Prince says, we want
Speaker 3: to stop and tell y'all congratulate EPMD for number one
Speaker 3: album in the country. True, so we are don't beget
Speaker 3: We're on tour with the biggest groops in the world,
Speaker 3: but we number oh no, you know EPMD's exploded.
Speaker 1: So man so all you got the chair check up
Speaker 1: my hey.
Speaker 2: When them records came out, bro, those just the type
Speaker 2: of records that made me say, damn, I want to do.
Speaker 3: This ship right because the first I keep it one
Speaker 3: hundred after the first Strictly Business album was made, we
Speaker 3: go back and we got the jinks.
Speaker 1: Nothing's happening, couldn't make nothing was working.
Speaker 3: Luckily, I was in Europe and I heard groove Me
Speaker 3: and the guy played this song called bye Bye Bye
Speaker 3: by Soul, the soul called fair play. So when nothing
Speaker 3: was going to partly look at that record I brought back.
Speaker 3: I bought that back running and it made it nice. Nope,
Speaker 3: whatever made it back, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, blessed, Yeah, appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Oh no, yo yo yo listen, I want my thousand
Speaker 3: n I want my thousand dollars back.
Speaker 4: Yo.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that that.
Speaker 3: What I did was, I know he didn't mean the
Speaker 3: mean to play me, but I wouldn't have been mad.
Speaker 3: But he said, Yo, I'm gonna bet you one thousand
Speaker 3: dollars that niggas say, so uh he's and I been away,
Speaker 3: and I said, yo, they ain't gonna sing it. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying because we in a crowd, which
Speaker 3: I figured is young, you know.
Speaker 1: Just like music is out there. So that's cool. It's
Speaker 1: two thousand and one.
Speaker 3: So after y'all get on, we come on and do
Speaker 3: what you say in part, and the part comes up,
Speaker 3: the whole National Coliseum sings the part right, So he
Speaker 3: takes my thousand dollars on the US and then throw
Speaker 3: it in the audience.
Speaker 1: It's on YouTube, bleak no way, so you don't remember that,
Speaker 1: so you never knew it. Oh can. We made a
Speaker 1: bet that that night that they were gonna say.
Speaker 3: So when you look at the thousand dollars that he threw,
Speaker 3: that was my thousand that I bet him.
Speaker 2: He's a always takes somebody's money and give it away.
Speaker 3: So on YouTube, I watched all the time he threw
Speaker 3: it in the audience, you know whatever. So again, but
Speaker 3: going back to them, going back to that, we had
Speaker 3: a little bit of it was going to be like
Speaker 3: a sophomore jinx. I'm like, damn, this is going to
Speaker 3: be so so so then demos start coming and these
Speaker 3: things came after. But in the beginning, nothing was working.
Speaker 3: But luckily I brought that record back.
Speaker 1: From the Europe. Man, that's crazy man, that record. Did
Speaker 1: y'all know?
Speaker 2: Like, of course, it's like me asking myself the same question,
Speaker 2: but I have to ask you, did you even think
Speaker 2: that y'all was making something as timeless as you did?
Speaker 1: Nah?
Speaker 3: But we knew that we knew what we wanted to hear,
Speaker 3: and we knew that it sounded dope to us. Don't forget,
Speaker 3: nobody knows believe what you're doing until you send it
Speaker 3: to them. That's right, until they hear it. So you
Speaker 3: have to fuck with it first. So if you if
Speaker 3: we like it, then we're going with it. You know,
Speaker 3: the label don't know the day, okay, and what we
Speaker 3: what we bring it to them? Somebody there wasn't no
Speaker 3: leo like that's not good. This is whack, you know,
Speaker 3: So they wasn't likely or most labels, you know. So
Speaker 3: so they bring what you what you bring them and
Speaker 3: they were like yeah, So one thing about us.
Speaker 2: E pm D was the last group to come out
Speaker 2: in that time. So I was able to hear MC light,
Speaker 2: KOs One Rock, Kim Bismarcky Caine, all these people I
Speaker 2: was able to hear first Shan they was so now
Speaker 2: if I'm looking back and we like this, we can't
Speaker 2: be whack.
Speaker 1: I got all to look at.
Speaker 3: So so now we got my mentor two towns away,
Speaker 3: which is rock kim So this is wined Inch, then
Speaker 3: in between this deer Park and then they would get
Speaker 3: a couple.
Speaker 1: Then there's Brentwood.
Speaker 3: So that's what made me really go because once I
Speaker 3: heard rock kim My DJ Diamonds like listen nickname rock
Speaker 3: Wind that came out.
Speaker 2: The name was his name was rock Win. So he's like, yo,
Speaker 2: gun and rock Wind came out. He rhymes slow like
Speaker 2: you do because I had with a list, So I'm
Speaker 2: rhyming slow. So when I heard turned ba check out
Speaker 2: my melody and knowledge the car, I'm.
Speaker 1: Letting knowledge and my name is the R A k I.
Speaker 2: So now I'm like, yo, Nick Knacked, Patty Whack, get
Speaker 2: on Yo.
Speaker 1: I'm rhyming like this too.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, yo, we can make it because he's
Speaker 3: I came in the door. I said it before, so
Speaker 3: we're like, m c's out there, you better stan clear
Speaker 3: e P M D is the world.
Speaker 1: So so so so so we knew that.
Speaker 3: So we knew that, Okay, the we can make it
Speaker 3: because he's also from long Island, even though we publicly
Speaker 3: became Bizmarck.
Speaker 1: He came, this is all Long Island.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying, so so so a strong so
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, because if you take Long
Speaker 2: Island out the map, it's a problem.
Speaker 1: You know, the day lives, the you know.
Speaker 2: The.
Speaker 3: Bus and the yeah who you know. So it was
Speaker 3: a bunch of people that you know, the Keith Murrays
Speaker 3: and case the whole nation.
Speaker 2: Man at that point, like my g they call our
Speaker 2: era the Golden Era. I ain't gonna discredit it, but yeah,
Speaker 2: Arab Blue, that's the golden Too many gem rappers, you
Speaker 2: was just like, yeah, paved the way for guys like
Speaker 2: us to pave the way for the other guys. You
Speaker 2: gotta understanding without job when this bro this is special ed.
Speaker 1: This is cousie wrap, this is n w A, this
Speaker 1: is again.
Speaker 3: They said like this is given hammer, this is this
Speaker 3: is all, this is forty or this is on that side.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 3: The too many people that came in the late eighties
Speaker 3: and then eighty eight, it was everything. Everything that sparked
Speaker 3: what you hearing and seeing came from that year and
Speaker 3: not ever, mostly that.
Speaker 1: Year eighty eight.
Speaker 3: That period the drugs was crazy, Cracker is eighty eight,
Speaker 3: This is, this is, this is this.
Speaker 1: Year was the Dapi Dan gold fronts. Everything was.
Speaker 2: Rock, Mike Tyson at the Uptown, at the Beverly, the clubs.
Speaker 1: All this is eighty eight was the Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I don't give a funk with niggas talking about
Speaker 3: you said the nineties they missed, but the Golden era
Speaker 3: to me, not because.
Speaker 1: I was this man's that.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was man, I agree, bro, because I was
Speaker 2: a shorty trying to imitate emulate everybody.
Speaker 1: Y'all were doing.
Speaker 2: Man like yeah with the change, the cars, you get
Speaker 2: your album cover and bashing your hold on.
Speaker 1: These niggas ain't sitting on top of the bed. Listen.
Speaker 3: This is what they said to somebody from the Choice said,
Speaker 3: we thought y'all was drug dealers, Yo, so so so.
Speaker 1: You rock Kim and Eric B.
Speaker 2: Of course when they covered with remember they got the
Speaker 2: big change on their.
Speaker 3: Now the fucking Dapper Dan. It's not that Buci joints on. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Me and Parison on the car with the jewelry on,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, what do you mean to say?
Speaker 1: Yo?
Speaker 3: We y'all look because that's what we It was before
Speaker 3: rappers came to look was from the street.
Speaker 2: Yes, so now it reverts like you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: the streets emulate what the rappers is now. But back
Speaker 2: in the day, the rappers imitated what streets the drugs
Speaker 2: that that was it. That was the swag of y
Speaker 2: and they got mad.
Speaker 1: When hip hop came.
Speaker 2: We took the girls, and we took the hype, yo,
Speaker 2: that You're right.
Speaker 1: I ain't ever think about it like that.
Speaker 2: You're right, y'all were y'all were on TV all day,
Speaker 2: girls shouting on the black like I'm with you every day.
Speaker 1: But Homie just was on my on the on the box.
Speaker 2: I got a check him. Remember this was the days
Speaker 2: when you had the call call, order that video on
Speaker 2: your phone.
Speaker 1: I remember all that.
Speaker 3: I remember fucking pulling over for that, fucking for that
Speaker 3: fucking phone, and so on and so on.
Speaker 1: The street nigga.
Speaker 3: Telephone, niggaya with the quarters, nigga like yourn, yeah about
Speaker 3: I'm talking about calling period, the phone book, about that post,
Speaker 3: the phone booth, nigga, a call phone.
Speaker 2: You right, cell phone came the lawyer. You had to
Speaker 2: call your lawyer. You had to pull over to the store, yo.
Speaker 1: You know that's crazy.
Speaker 2: You know how much the brick phone was, yo, the
Speaker 2: brick alone and then the phone.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 3: We had two thousand dollars phone on the regular in
Speaker 3: the nineties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, on the on the regular, like we until my
Speaker 2: biggie said, phone bill about two g's flying till somebody
Speaker 2: my man was getting the burners back then and then.
Speaker 1: Fixing the phones.
Speaker 3: You was lit pay like seven hundred dollars board and
Speaker 3: it was on to you lost, go on to your lost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the phone was on to your boogie.
Speaker 3: We had two thousand dollars phone bills twenty five hundred
Speaker 3: three grand all the time.
Speaker 2: Nigga has in every month to have a cell phone.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 2: Ship you were what made you transfer from because y'all
Speaker 2: dominated of course me and y'all mark on the hip
Speaker 2: hop rap scene.
Speaker 1: But then you just became like the this producer, Like
Speaker 1: what what was that?
Speaker 3: Well, after the group broke up and I was I was,
Speaker 3: I was released from the handcuffs. I went to Atlanta
Speaker 3: right just because I was like, you know, even though
Speaker 3: I knew that, okay, you can't leave, so they were
Speaker 3: going to come and get me anyway, But I wasn't
Speaker 3: going to sit there. Let them come and get me
Speaker 3: who because they had the three signed statements on.
Speaker 1: Me who riding on?
Speaker 3: You know, the thing that went down with E. P.
Speaker 3: M D to break up to happening to begin with?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, I was lost, like who coming to
Speaker 2: get you?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: So so, but that's all on the on the it's
Speaker 3: on YouTube, yeah, the story. But again I wasn't gonna
Speaker 3: let them just sit there and knowing they got three
Speaker 3: signed statements, that means they can railroad me to you know,
Speaker 3: even though I know that again, you know, somebody had
Speaker 3: just made a whole thing up such and such, but
Speaker 3: niggas will believe it, you know. So he ended up
Speaker 3: being not show. So anyway, I went to Atlanta.
Speaker 2: So when I went to Georgia, I had went to
Speaker 2: Georgia earlier and met some girl you know, right, but
Speaker 2: so so, and then I met the niggas who I
Speaker 2: did the rim shot with. Okay, niggas from Detroit, so
Speaker 2: Greg and them. So I met him, so I knew
Speaker 2: I had a place to go too, So so I
Speaker 2: chilled there. Next thing, you know, puff called first for
Speaker 2: for the Who's the Man soundtrack? And I made my
Speaker 2: first single, hitting Switches right, oh, ship that was I
Speaker 2: didn't even know that, so I made hitting switches and
Speaker 2: then when I shot the video it was Puffy and
Speaker 2: Hight Williams day first ship.
Speaker 3: That's when I tell that Biggie. Everywhere I was shooting,
Speaker 3: Biggie was next to me. Everywhere I went.
Speaker 2: He was again because Boogie had he had told Tracy
Speaker 2: Waples kicked me on the Eric Sermon album.
Speaker 3: Right, but I already had my own coul Reggie dods
Speaker 3: Keep that already had rappers. But but Biggie told Tracy,
Speaker 3: please get me on that album, you know so, but
Speaker 3: it didn't happen. But anyway, that's when Atlanta was did
Speaker 3: they kind of opened up to me. Was when the
Speaker 3: record come up and be like Atlanta's own Eric Sermon.
Speaker 3: I'm like what the next thing, you know, they they
Speaker 3: papers call the Constitution. I'm on the front page. Eric
Speaker 3: Surmon meus to Atlanta, and I'm like, yo, what's going on?
Speaker 3: So they embraced me so that when I got there,
Speaker 3: I met Dallas Austin, and Dallas had gave me one
Speaker 3: of his rooms out the blue just as being a fan.
Speaker 3: He said, Yo, I got the ship Collate Records. I
Speaker 3: got these groups. Cha's a lingo and the lego. Can
Speaker 3: you do something for me? Remember illegal? So so I'm like, okay, whatever.
Speaker 2: Liljam Mormon Leak was bad at fourteen, I'm talking, I'm
Speaker 2: bad kids though.
Speaker 1: They it was bad, bro, it was that era. It
Speaker 1: was the early nineties.
Speaker 2: So so so they lived with Lisa Lopez god bst
Speaker 2: to Dad no way right, So so, so theday was
Speaker 2: so Lisa had took them.
Speaker 3: So they were like, your uncle e, you're coming over.
Speaker 3: That's when I was with Lisa for a little bit.
Speaker 1: I always thought was signed to the Hit Squad. No,
Speaker 1: they were signing the Rowdy. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: So now so now I'm over there as uncle E.
Speaker 3: So now it's me, Jamal Malik and Lisa living in
Speaker 3: the in the hotel, right, don't because I just got there.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy and so and so so I'm in
Speaker 3: a hotel too, say in that hotel.
Speaker 2: But once Lisa let me come through, then I'm staying there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But but I ended up doing Lili Zayne had a
Speaker 3: group too, So I did all of that was on
Speaker 3: Rowdy because the Downers looked out for me. So everything,
Speaker 3: and Nick, sure, you know, I got a call from
Speaker 3: Shack too, so I was getting my money up.
Speaker 2: Who's the man was gonna say? Five hundred Shack? I
Speaker 2: thought it was gonna be a big check at Jive,
Speaker 2: seventy five hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: I did full records in there, right, and I wrote
Speaker 3: and I did Outstanding. There was going platinum, and then
Speaker 3: I did Malik and Jamaar and Lego. They ended up
Speaker 3: winning the Billboard Award for a week. It is busy,
Speaker 3: so so again, so all this stuff was going on,
Speaker 3: and that's how my ship put like that. I had
Speaker 3: just started doing everybody, so anybody didn't wrap that was crazy.
Speaker 3: I was already doing Redman, but then the how High
Speaker 3: thing came around when I went back to New York
Speaker 3: to go visit.
Speaker 1: So when the.
Speaker 3: Studio then I made how High and after that then
Speaker 3: Reggie's Muddy Waters it was time to come.
Speaker 1: So I ended up doing that.
Speaker 2: So so we're not going to skip over Radman like
Speaker 2: he just so regular artists.
Speaker 1: I signed, Yeah my man from the block, rad Man,
Speaker 1: you just keep going. Yeah, Reggie, y'all changed the game
Speaker 1: with Red Man.
Speaker 2: Bro Like rappers, wasn't you really using that funk doc
Speaker 2: like that Bro y'all brought that new sound.
Speaker 1: And then Bro Reggie was I ain't gonna lie man
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: Before Jay was Red, he was the idlest rapper I
Speaker 2: ever heard when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm glad we sawing this right now. Word up.
Speaker 1: I tell you no man I ever heard when I
Speaker 1: was a kid.
Speaker 3: It was another rumor, but I think that Jay would saying,
Speaker 3: because it's nothing bad. Jay at one time, I think
Speaker 3: we actually do a record, and he was like, I
Speaker 3: respect him too much to rock with him.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: And we was at a Vegas fight in Vegas too,
Speaker 2: don't forget.
Speaker 1: I'm over here with this chicken named Nikki.
Speaker 2: You always got them chicks, man, and it was it
Speaker 2: was baby Mother's friends.
Speaker 3: So Dame's over here too, and Dame is saying, Yo, Jay,
Speaker 3: what album we got in the cars? He says, all,
Speaker 3: we got Redman in the car. Ya, I'm telling yoyo.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I was bugging out because I'm like, Yo,
Speaker 3: that's what y'all playing.
Speaker 1: Say Yo, Yo, we're playing Redmend playing Reggie in the car.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you a story, right it's
Speaker 2: ill because you signed some of the illest people man
Speaker 2: from Radman than Keith Murray. The most beautifulest thing in
Speaker 2: the world, made you with y'all with the hit Squad
Speaker 2: was special?
Speaker 1: Man? Did you hear me that? What was the song
Speaker 1: that had bangers? Man? I wrote a verse to that
Speaker 1: as a shorty.
Speaker 2: Just imagine that I was in that crew. Trust me, Bro,
Speaker 2: that's one of my favorite beats.
Speaker 1: I still to this day. How nobody never sampled that.
Speaker 2: I made head bangs for ice Cube? No way, I
Speaker 2: never got into him. I wasn't even making it for us.
Speaker 3: That was the last song that e PM DV recorded
Speaker 3: for the fourth album before the Break.
Speaker 2: Yo, Bro, I'm telling y'all changed the game. But listen right,
Speaker 2: I'm hearing every I'm hearing everybody, Keith Murray listening to
Speaker 2: all the music. Mind you, I'm a fan of anybody.
Speaker 2: They used to have this event called the Gavin Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: what right? So I'm like Jack and Gavin. Remember I
Speaker 2: was fourteen years old. I'm not even supposed to know you.
Speaker 2: How you get out there anyway? Jay Jay? This is
Speaker 2: when this is before. Ain't no nigga, none of that.
Speaker 2: This was Yeah, this was n ninety four, this Dead
Speaker 2: pressent because ninety six, no this Remember the album came
Speaker 2: out ninety six Dead Presence, I believe came out the
Speaker 2: end of ninety four, beginning of ninety.
Speaker 1: Five, ninety four. Yes, yeah, I'm telling you in the
Speaker 1: ninety four beginning.
Speaker 2: I was out there for a whole year before y'all
Speaker 2: got before Will Soccleoft did that, because you know Will
Speaker 2: Soccer lof is Stephen back Records.
Speaker 1: That's where I come from. Oh, I ain't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know who put.
Speaker 2: The event together, but I'm gonna tell you how I
Speaker 2: met Keith Murray.
Speaker 1: Right, so I'm listening to y'all.
Speaker 2: Right, We're going to fourteen, fifteen years old, going to
Speaker 2: New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Were deep.
Speaker 2: We on the plane, we land, we wait, we in baggage, clang,
Speaker 2: we get in our bags and then they go Keith
Speaker 2: Murray in though. So then all I see is Dame,
Speaker 2: you'll hold my jewelry jay a bike? Take it off
Speaker 2: their no, because they had start fighting. So that I'm
Speaker 2: standing there like, yo, niggas.
Speaker 4: Got beef with Keith hurry, and I thought this is
Speaker 4: the most ain't get you know the story?
Speaker 3: No who, So listen, wait, I gotta give you that
Speaker 3: perpose what happened, because this is crazy.
Speaker 1: I hear about I hear about that part.
Speaker 3: Murray was going to some type of restaurant where Damon
Speaker 3: was going to to. Murray saw some girl come by,
Speaker 3: So Murray is an alecs he hits Dame's car. H
Speaker 3: So now they end up going to some type of
Speaker 3: brunch a luncheon. So they're both in the same spot.
Speaker 3: So Dame, it's like, Yo, they're gonna hone me right there.
Speaker 3: This is not that and this so all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: Murray hit Dame over the head with the bottom in
Speaker 3: the club.
Speaker 1: No way.
Speaker 2: Yes, I I knew I heard that incident, but I
Speaker 2: ain't never know where it happened.
Speaker 3: So what you're saying, I don't know about that part.
Speaker 3: I know what happened with that.
Speaker 2: Yo, bro and New Orleans fresh off the plane on site.
Speaker 2: Now mind you, I never met Keith murd It's my
Speaker 2: first time.
Speaker 1: On the plane leaving the Projects.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, oh, this is how it is when
Speaker 2: you get off the plane. This just like the Projects, y'all.
Speaker 2: I swear to God, the niggas was rumbling in the air.
Speaker 1: I never heard that. I swear bro.
Speaker 2: That's my first time ever Keith Murray but that but
Speaker 2: that's where it came from. I ain't know that's where
Speaker 2: it started from here in his car, but I was bugging,
Speaker 2: like when the fuck we got beef with Keith?
Speaker 1: Yo?
Speaker 2: But nah, but y'all, man, they hit squad. What was
Speaker 2: that like, man? Because you said illegal and it was bad.
Speaker 3: Now you say Keith, Well see Mary and legal and
Speaker 3: and and I Leegal came after the breakup. So his
Speaker 3: card is E P M D dis effects K Solo
Speaker 3: and the Solo so so you had.
Speaker 2: I had you know that effects to so.
Speaker 3: So Solo was unique because of the spelling and like
Speaker 3: Nas is one of his favorite rappers. Because Solo said
Speaker 3: he was he would do something like it wasn't me.
Speaker 3: The rhyme did it, so we never heard nobody speaking
Speaker 3: third person and had the rhyme as a character doing damage.
Speaker 2: So he had the rhyme as one of his boys.
Speaker 2: You know when he said, so, Nas.
Speaker 3: Always speak about I was a fusitive before Soul stories too,
Speaker 3: and the technique and what he was doing and that's
Speaker 3: effects with the wiggedd wow, you know so this is
Speaker 3: and the Redman. So all my MC's were had styles
Speaker 3: that effects was under you two.
Speaker 1: It's his squad. I told you his squad.
Speaker 2: I didn't know yet, yo, that's how you know I didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that just thinking that's feature infany or something. I
Speaker 2: didn't pay attention to labels. Everybody that signed to me, Reggie,
Speaker 2: Doctor and Solo. No, man, you gotta be crassing the
Speaker 2: greatest fucking is in hip hop. Bro. Then that's why
Speaker 2: you hear my voice. They weren't effects. Some live effects
Speaker 2: snapper neck for some live effects.
Speaker 1: That's me, so exchange the game.
Speaker 3: So they did. They Doctor Becks did something for E. P. M. D.
Speaker 3: In the squad that was dope because they went platinum.
Speaker 3: So they opened up another lane that we didn't have.
Speaker 3: So when course over came boom, you know, gold album,
Speaker 3: this is not that and this partinum ops or whatever. They
Speaker 3: open stuff up because they I mean, they were spring Break.
Speaker 1: They were every white kids. They was just everywhere everywhere.
Speaker 3: So so that was But but the Death Squad is
Speaker 3: where Keith Murray and the Leader came.
Speaker 2: Two squads Squad and the Depth Squad. Yeah right, you're
Speaker 2: right yo, y'all fucking yo, bro. Legendary Ship gee, they
Speaker 2: gotta put you on the top with the legendary CEOs
Speaker 2: of the game. A pioneer of some of these probably
Speaker 2: wouldn't be no p no, no cash money, none of
Speaker 2: these type of CEOs. You one of the first, Like
Speaker 2: think about it, you give who else Michael Bivens was
Speaker 2: signing it? Yeah, you know what you like, It wasn't
Speaker 2: really Russell Simmons. Of course they were signing everybody, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't artists signing.
Speaker 3: Because don't forget, niggas was Don't forget. I had Dave
Speaker 3: Hallster too. That's depth squad, damn.
Speaker 1: So so you.
Speaker 3: Got the whole Monica, Dave Hallfono Hunter, all these people
Speaker 3: that too was under my monica, and I had other
Speaker 3: people that was coming.
Speaker 1: Don't forget.
Speaker 2: I could have signed Game, I could have signed Luda,
Speaker 2: I could have signed Wu Tang, I could have signed
Speaker 2: Rick Ross.
Speaker 1: Because these niggas was all with me. Fifty was on.
Speaker 1: All these people was.
Speaker 3: People that came to me and I produced it records
Speaker 3: set on my step on my basement floor. So so
Speaker 3: so you and then you got people like hit Maker
Speaker 3: who look for me for six months. He's one of
Speaker 3: the biggest songwriters in the world. But all these bleak
Speaker 3: that you can have some people that talk about some people.
Speaker 3: But when you watch the Wu Tangs series, that's why
Speaker 3: my name and stuff and.
Speaker 1: Your appeals all through it.
Speaker 3: Because again I was gonna sign and Ray Kuarn speaks
Speaker 3: about this, Yeah, I was gonna s sound with every
Speaker 3: the game talks about this. Yeah, I was gonna siund
Speaker 3: with Everic don't.
Speaker 2: Forget me Thisrius b I g was brought to me
Speaker 2: at a barber shop in Brooklyn. I did not listen
Speaker 2: to him. You look, yo, I don't got no cat
Speaker 2: with me. Ever Lion, you ain't listening yo. Big album
Speaker 2: was circulating Brooklyn streets before it came out.
Speaker 1: He went platinum.
Speaker 2: Before, but he wasn't nowhere near being looked at.
Speaker 1: He was still with seeing the basement. But the barber too, that.
Speaker 3: Knew something, that knew somebody who knew him. But get
Speaker 3: your Eric's here, bring Biggie through and I was like,
Speaker 3: get my hair cut, doing me. I'm about whatever you Okay,
Speaker 3: you're going to get with the check exactly. Damn man By.
Speaker 3: I got dubbed because of a chick she had that
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: I don't even know the.
Speaker 3: I don't know that was on my mind at the time,
Speaker 3: but I was already me had bread.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't forget he was on that rapper ship,
Speaker 2: but I had my own. Yeah, so you wasn't really
Speaker 2: like I'm good. I don't know, but.
Speaker 3: So and that's and then, yo, there's one person that
Speaker 3: didn't make it that you probably never heard of, but
Speaker 3: go back and listen to him.
Speaker 1: Jam message. Jay brought me this kid named Joe Sinister.
Speaker 1: I remember I heard of him. No, I heard of
Speaker 1: Joe Sinister. He was nice. He was nice. It's Joe
Speaker 1: sending stuff.
Speaker 2: He came in with Onyx and Redman said, Eric, listen,
Speaker 2: I know I'm mem but there's some nigga with honors
Speaker 2: with a backpack on it.
Speaker 1: This nigga is Dan nice. Yeah, he was nice metaphorically, Yo.
Speaker 1: He on my soul album too.
Speaker 3: That's why I couldn't even look at the biggie because
Speaker 3: now I got my uncle. And then I got this
Speaker 3: Joe Cents guy on my album too, because Jay came
Speaker 3: to the studio with him and we having to make
Speaker 3: a record. I like it, and I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep it because I'm here and metaphors that
Speaker 3: Reggie didn't do yet. And if Reggie brought him to me,
Speaker 3: what you're gonna mean? This is Reggie, he said, Eric,
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna It's a nigga with Homeboy.
Speaker 1: And I'm like.
Speaker 3: On the block with Christine spitting the Green Peace soup.
Speaker 3: I cocked nines smoking Nick Nick Nick with the Lothians.
Speaker 1: I'm like snigger, yo. He he was.
Speaker 3: So far out there, he said, I'm gonna shoot you
Speaker 3: in the head. The bullet is in there, paying rent
Speaker 3: in the brain as a vacancy, like the far it
Speaker 3: is not. I can't rhyme it, but the way that
Speaker 3: he put it together, suck my dick, fuck the ship
Speaker 3: forkx plicit what like? He was way ahead of time,
Speaker 3: way ahead of his time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I.
Speaker 2: Know some guys like that from the Prick, from the
Speaker 2: projects that never never got a shot, never a head
Speaker 2: of day time?
Speaker 1: Man, what you think? What what would you say? Cannabis too?
Speaker 1: He was death squad too, yo. How y'all lay him
Speaker 1: getting that drama then? Man? He was He left and
Speaker 1: got went to White Cliff.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm about to say. Yeah, why Cleff gave
Speaker 2: him that old you can.
Speaker 1: Give me that money. Give the money.
Speaker 2: He let l L get that boy work.
Speaker 3: But if listened to the beginning of his stuff on
Speaker 3: the radio, he's like, he says death squad and then
Speaker 3: he goes to rhyme had cannabis?
Speaker 2: Was a fucking assassin? Was he was a problem. And
Speaker 2: again you gotta listen, man. LL don't give a who
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 3: Don't forget LL was like Fox Brown on the record,
Speaker 3: MM conquer the world, iced t hammers and ice sheese girl.
Speaker 3: Still he don't care female raptors too.
Speaker 1: Yo. We on rampage smoke on the No, you're missing it.
Speaker 3: He on our record saying, you and your squad gonna
Speaker 3: face the real guard the undertake.
Speaker 1: This is us and he coming at your neck on
Speaker 1: your record on the record, same record.
Speaker 3: But but then he said on the break of dawn,
Speaker 3: give me that microphone, I'm gonna show you.
Speaker 1: The real meaning of the dangers. Yo. No, L was
Speaker 1: a problem.
Speaker 3: He didn't and I don't know that was just as instinct.
Speaker 3: But that's just how he was battled.
Speaker 2: Number one period. Anybody get that. Anybody can get it. Friend, naughty,
Speaker 2: that's right, you want to feature. I'm at your neck, man,
Speaker 2: But like I said, what what would you say? Your
Speaker 2: best your best business decision has been out your career.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 3: It's a it's a Ketschwayne too because the breakup. You know,
Speaker 3: I think that if that didn't happen, I would have
Speaker 3: been I would have been inside of a system where
Speaker 3: I just made beats for my crew. The breakup was
Speaker 3: what was a gift and the curse too, because once
Speaker 3: I broke up, I was able to become what I become.
Speaker 3: Don't forget, man, I produced almost all the Wrap and
Speaker 3: half R and B. People don't look at my R
Speaker 3: and B and look at the d Angelo chicul the
Speaker 3: barge in Vogue, Mary Joy, Angie Stone. You know this
Speaker 3: is a piece. You know, Black Street keep sweat. I
Speaker 3: can keep going on R and B Groundstone, so you can.
Speaker 3: Everybody that you're looking at before before they see me
Speaker 3: as hip hop.
Speaker 1: But I did this too.
Speaker 2: That's high clip crazy, Like, Yeah, your production bag is insane.
Speaker 1: That's what I told you.
Speaker 2: Like You're legend in both atmospheres of the game, rapping
Speaker 2: and production, and it's insane.
Speaker 1: Not everybody can do that.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm a force right now, niggas, You're not me.
Speaker 2: I tried Blaze brought all equipment for me, the beat
Speaker 2: Machine Guru and just Blaze was in my house setting
Speaker 2: up everything because I'm like, yo, I'm gonna learn how
Speaker 2: to make Maybe I got this ship, bro, I couldn't
Speaker 2: get past the tick on the NPC the ship that
Speaker 2: you make the drum padd too. I was all, yeah again,
Speaker 2: go back to that, like this is my crew. To
Speaker 2: DJ Twins and Rock Waller.
Speaker 3: Gave biggest right and Twins too, they learned because they watched.
Speaker 3: So my right is watching Rock Wilder and watching and
Speaker 3: Twins a long time.
Speaker 1: Eric. If it wasn't for you a nigga, he wouldn't
Speaker 1: know none of this ship. That's crazy saying no, I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I tried.
Speaker 2: I knew production and producing that's a whole You tried it.
Speaker 2: I tried, Yeah, I said, you said you you hit
Speaker 2: one button and couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: Y'all.
Speaker 2: Nigga's producers to me are insane because you can just listen.
Speaker 1: It's quiet, and y'all could be like, yo, you hear that?
Speaker 2: No here what and then nigga go to the beat
Speaker 2: Machine that like, Yo, what the fuck did you just hear?
Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's not.
Speaker 3: For me just when I was down at one of
Speaker 3: like again sometimes you get the low. It was Kanye
Speaker 3: West for me. Yeah, no he was when when I
Speaker 3: that the album I'm Like Man. And then the Long
Speaker 3: Hill two also woke me up.
Speaker 2: Because of her drums though too Kan because him and
Speaker 2: just blazed the me where the two illess samplers like
Speaker 2: they won't send me more record and flipping it where
Speaker 2: you wouldn't even know when Blaze because I need to
Speaker 2: get some of that money back. Okay, So.
Speaker 3: That React beat was out, feather Meth had it, Jamai
Speaker 3: pre had it whatever, and Dame got mad afterwards. Make
Speaker 3: sure you before you give stuff out. Boom boom, Dame
Speaker 3: niggas had to be so just didn't do nothing wrong again,
Speaker 3: somebody from the label went right to Agie Martinez.
Speaker 2: Bus Is Cole has got already at it. So now
Speaker 2: you get to stick me up now?
Speaker 1: Oh shit, yo, just Blaze telling the story to this day.
Speaker 2: His biggest check they got me for sixty racks six
Speaker 2: sixty two.
Speaker 1: Thousand and two.
Speaker 3: He said that's the most money he ever got for
Speaker 3: a record, sixty thousand. Because Dane was like, fuck all
Speaker 3: that the records out sixty Yo, I deserved some money.
Speaker 3: That money back, just just about ten thousand of it.
Speaker 1: Yo, that's it, sane. I forgot just did that record
Speaker 1: for you? I come on, just blaze, coming on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Whatever she said, I'm that yo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all because the whole thing, the fact that again
Speaker 3: it was the perfect thing to say though, man, because
Speaker 3: nobody know what he says. Say want somebody said, yo,
Speaker 3: Eric's good. She's talking about suicide. I'm like, you know
Speaker 3: the weathers. I'm like, come on now, enough with that.
Speaker 3: Now she's talking about who said all this stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that ship bullshit? But bro, you done been through
Speaker 2: the label drama of course, group drama, industry ship health scarce.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a heart attack of twenty eleven. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm glad to see you still
Speaker 1: with us. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: What what what's your strength behind everything that keep you going?
Speaker 1: You know for those who who might need that motivation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, my best friend passed away was my mother
Speaker 3: two and a half years ago.
Speaker 1: And I gotta say this one thing too.
Speaker 3: I know I say a lot too too, but Kanye
Speaker 3: West helped me out a lot, no way, because when
Speaker 3: I when I was flying down to do Kanye West.
Speaker 3: My mother had told my sister make sure Erika on
Speaker 3: that plane. So I landed in La May thirtieth and
Speaker 3: the phone ring my boy, but nod passed me.
Speaker 1: The phone was my sister and said mom passed away. Right.
Speaker 3: My mother knew that she didn't want me to be there.
Speaker 3: So when I got there, Kanye West said, yo, e,
Speaker 3: my mom's died.
Speaker 1: I went to work, come to the lab them all.
Speaker 2: So I stayed with Kane, Kanrie, and and and Kanye
Speaker 2: in the lab. About five months we was in the
Speaker 2: camp and his twenty five thousand square feet the thing
Speaker 2: he had. Then we went to the addition he had
Speaker 2: to owe the whole a floor. What me and Ye
Speaker 2: was doing was not what vultures was. Right, So when
Speaker 2: I went home to bury my mother, I flew to
Speaker 2: Italy right. So when I got to Italy, I see
Speaker 2: my songs on the board, but then Todd Dollards sound
Speaker 2: was there, so that.
Speaker 1: Whole thing switched switched.
Speaker 2: So so because I was like, yo, yay, where's the
Speaker 2: rhymes at? Like why ain't no rhymes on you? So
Speaker 2: he calls the meet and like, yo, bring Eric in. Yo,
Speaker 2: Eric says there is no rhyme.
Speaker 1: We got start.
Speaker 2: I put some rhymes on here, so I had the ear,
Speaker 2: but it just got lost.
Speaker 1: So I left.
Speaker 2: Italy, you know, and I'm like, damn, you know, I
Speaker 2: want to spend the year, you know, just trying to
Speaker 2: put stuff together.
Speaker 1: And it changed.
Speaker 2: You know, that's crazy, kan he he goes on different
Speaker 2: this sound that sound quick. But I'm never going to
Speaker 2: be able to know when people say about what how
Speaker 2: he is. I know what he did for me at
Speaker 2: a time, at the time when when my mother passed away.
Speaker 2: So when I'm going back to your question, how do
Speaker 2: I where my experiences came from?
Speaker 1: It came from her.
Speaker 3: So everything that I do, how I speak, how I acting,
Speaker 3: how I was raised, was from her. So I know
Speaker 3: that when I I die, only I go.
Speaker 2: Like Denzel had made a quote like you've never seen
Speaker 2: a U hole behind the hers, which is true, continue
Speaker 2: on with you. So why I'm here, I just don't
Speaker 2: want to be labeled as no asshole when niggas talking
Speaker 2: about me or when I go. So I've always been
Speaker 2: a humble person. So when because you're gonna forget Lord
Speaker 2: is loyalty respect you can't buy. So when people say
Speaker 2: what's one you're going to choose loyal to respect is
Speaker 2: the respect part because loyalty can easily be easy be
Speaker 2: it can be tampered with and can be fake, can
Speaker 2: can be fake. But respect you got to own that
Speaker 2: you can't. So again, I just had to respect for
Speaker 2: my whole time being in the game. And my boys
Speaker 2: say too, Eric, when your name is mentioned, shit open
Speaker 2: up and niggas listen, they're like, oh, you know, you
Speaker 2: know whatever, And that part right there makes it feel like,
Speaker 2: you know what I did my job?
Speaker 1: That's right, you know. Now, that's what's up.
Speaker 2: What advice would you give the young artists today navigating
Speaker 2: the industry?
Speaker 3: I would tell them too that it's a business too,
Speaker 3: and the fact that the independency you come from it
Speaker 3: don't forget. That's why when you watch the backstage and
Speaker 3: you see Dame Barkin, is you right?
Speaker 1: You didn't do nothing for me? I did this work,
Speaker 1: That's right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So the more so the advice I give, the more
Speaker 3: work you put in.
Speaker 1: For yourself, the better it will be from you. Don't forget.
Speaker 3: We was all independent Fresh records, you know, Zakiah fucking Boogie,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, Boogie Down Records, all this stuff
Speaker 3: that all these independence came from. They all came from independence,
Speaker 3: all of this, you know, profile Rundom Sees, all before
Speaker 3: they got signed to majors. So the independent game was
Speaker 3: already always there. So be independent. Try to own as
Speaker 3: much as you possibly can so you can navigate with
Speaker 3: it and be able to move with it or have
Speaker 3: ownership and then keep it.
Speaker 2: One hundred sent you. If you go to McDonald's every
Speaker 2: day at three o'clock, then write about it, cause that's
Speaker 2: your story.
Speaker 3: Don't tell somebody else's story because that kid will find
Speaker 3: out that that's not your story.
Speaker 1: You're lying.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's for yo. That's some of the advice
Speaker 2: Jay used to tell me as a kid man. When
Speaker 2: the lines run out, the rhymes run out. So yeah,
Speaker 2: but I heard I heard you. I heard you on
Speaker 2: the covered thing. Though Beaker was was mad? Was mad
Speaker 2: real that you said yo? He's like yo, I was wild.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that he didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't.
Speaker 2: He didn't bring me. He'd be because I was out
Speaker 2: of control. So he's talking about me how to control.
Speaker 2: He was out of control too. Yeah, I was way
Speaker 2: out of control. I knew I was, but I knew
Speaker 2: how to stay off the off the scene with the
Speaker 2: mind got controlled in the fact, but the fact that
Speaker 2: you were a greater picture, A lot of niggas would not.
Speaker 3: I still want to roll like nigga take take me.
Speaker 3: You knew, like listen, I'm I can be a liability.
Speaker 2: I'm not in the right thing like man, like you know,
Speaker 2: my mentality and what I'm thinking about conjeopardize everything, like
Speaker 2: because remember Jay got to a point where he became
Speaker 2: larger than life like and it's like, I've still always
Speaker 2: got to worry about that. What if somebody tried to
Speaker 2: homie even though he got security for that, But I'm
Speaker 2: not relying on them people, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So it's like if some go down, I'm the guy.
Speaker 2: I'm ready. We always ready everybody. So it's like, you
Speaker 2: don't need me to be around looking at something and
Speaker 2: thinking it's something that is not and then I go
Speaker 2: off the I go left and do something I'm not
Speaker 2: supposed to do and now would jeopardize everything we work for, everything,
Speaker 2: everybody trying to get to And because I'm still on
Speaker 2: this hood mentality, you know what I was still.
Speaker 1: I heard you, and I'm like, yot.
Speaker 3: A lot of niggas won't do that because niggas want
Speaker 3: to be understand.
Speaker 1: I knew that a train was too squizzing for me.
Speaker 2: I had to go back to the g right exactly,
Speaker 2: no doubt, like word tell me about it's been more
Speaker 2: than a decade. I want to know what made you.
Speaker 2: I know what made you getting. I'm an artist with
Speaker 2: the love. But tell me about this new album. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: a couple of your new singers too. I don't know
Speaker 2: why why you stop going?
Speaker 1: Yo?
Speaker 3: You believe you y't talk about you off came about
Speaker 3: this too, because if you because I seen you thirty
Speaker 3: right now off the clip, like right now after becose,
Speaker 3: I seen you thirty records right now working.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, cool, that's great. I don't want you.
Speaker 3: Here's why I did dynamic duos In twenty nineteen. I
Speaker 3: was like, yo, why are my colleagues working? I didn't
Speaker 3: I didn't understand who told you to stop making records?
Speaker 1: So COVID came.
Speaker 2: So two years went by, but Kevin Lowes I was
Speaker 2: going to go sign with Alan Grumblack, and then Kevin
Speaker 2: Lowes called Alan Sayo Alan, that's too big for you.
Speaker 1: Let me get that ever Sermon album.
Speaker 3: So I signed with three hundred, so I was making
Speaker 3: the record The Cohen sells three hundred, four hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty million to Julie and Mike guys Atlantic. So time
Speaker 3: go by. So what you see Na's doing, I was
Speaker 3: doing that four years ago. So now it just happened
Speaker 3: to be coming out. So I was like, there's twenty
Speaker 3: three bleak about twenty three or twenty four rap groups,
Speaker 3: duos and hip hop if.
Speaker 1: You look it up.
Speaker 3: So I was already gonna be doing how many that
Speaker 3: I can do, So I'm gonna do a Volume one
Speaker 3: and a Volume two. So now was I got volume
Speaker 3: Volume one coming right again. It took a while two
Speaker 3: for the clearances because I was clear I had to
Speaker 3: clear Biggie Tupac, M Prodigy, Nate Dogg, and Sean Price right,
Speaker 3: so all that took time too. So now I gotta say, Okay,
Speaker 3: some stuff didn't come back, some stuff didn't, but the
Speaker 3: stuff that's coming out in December fifth on the Dynamic Duels,
Speaker 3: Volume one's Cypress Hills and Op E p M d
Speaker 3: Snoop Dogg and Nate Little Wayne Conway, the Machine Game,
Speaker 3: Read and meth Dog Pound Helter Skelter, Right, So.
Speaker 2: That's right man, shut out Rock and Rock Price rest Rock.
Speaker 3: And I said, mom, deep, so it's twelve records coming,
Speaker 3: you know, so then and then volume two you know
Speaker 3: it'll be where it is. I already know because I'm
Speaker 3: already got whatever's coming out. But right now December fifth
Speaker 3: for those that was waiting because people be like, yo,
Speaker 3: Eric is lying, you do he's doing the Detox ship coming,
Speaker 3: but they don't know the parts of again to the
Speaker 3: label going Clarence.
Speaker 1: Is the whole nine so all that should take time.
Speaker 3: So but but but again, I was doing it because
Speaker 3: my colleagues wasn't making records at the time they make
Speaker 3: a records now by the time, nobody was moving.
Speaker 1: So I was like, if you if, if you need,
Speaker 1: if you.
Speaker 3: Can't go in in because you don't want to know
Speaker 3: how to make a then you can't.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to be the services for you. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna take care all of it for you. And they
Speaker 2: was down with it.
Speaker 1: That's right now, that's dope, man.
Speaker 2: I respect like guys like you, like you got Salt
Speaker 2: and Pepper public.
Speaker 1: I forgot about Pepper.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know you're all linkeding with the new
Speaker 2: generation and bridging that gap.
Speaker 1: Like what that?
Speaker 2: What's that's like working with the Conway machines and like
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But but'get blead this. I work with everybody.
Speaker 3: And one thing about me, like said the respect part,
Speaker 3: if I DM somebody, it's very rare.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get to know. That's right, you know, because
Speaker 2: niggas on the respect thing.
Speaker 3: So what you're hearing right now is just again was
Speaker 3: my error that I already had done. That's why you
Speaker 3: hear the Conway New one, because that's where I was going.
Speaker 3: I was going with to mix the new with it
Speaker 3: with the old exactly, so you were so you were
Speaker 3: hear more of that connection on Volume two, Yes, where
Speaker 3: I would have like a ge Herbal with with somebody
Speaker 3: who who rhyming or cor Day or somebody in that
Speaker 3: type of situation rhyming with new people. And then if
Speaker 3: I do do a Volume three, it'll be me pushing
Speaker 3: the music forward with new people, with two new rappers,
Speaker 3: with an album of this new rappers that you never
Speaker 3: heard before, or the newest of the new you know,
Speaker 3: because once you put the jump out the window.
Speaker 1: Anybody like yo, yo yo. When when they heard these names, yo.
Speaker 2: I did a locks record, so I played it yesterday
Speaker 2: on the on their show, Jada was like, holy shit.
Speaker 3: I'm like, so, do you want me to keep it
Speaker 3: or you want to change it? Because he forgot what
Speaker 3: this sounds. He's like, no, you keep that one. We
Speaker 3: do another, but keep that one though too. So you
Speaker 3: know again, these people know what I'm capable of. I'm
Speaker 3: not a person too bleak. Well, you gotta tell me
Speaker 3: it's over. I'm too I'm gonnacity to take it like
Speaker 3: your boy.
Speaker 1: I know when it's over.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know how to tell me I'm whack like
Speaker 2: I don't like I mean tripping. My thing is, you
Speaker 2: can never be whack because you're not a whack person.
Speaker 2: You have to be to be whack. You have to
Speaker 2: be a whack person. Right, Just make a whack rhyme,
Speaker 2: your life, dress club, your lifestyle, everything.
Speaker 3: Got You're right, You're right, and I tell people too.
Speaker 3: But I'm not going to be the one that's hanging
Speaker 3: on trying to be.
Speaker 1: For you. I ain't gonna mention no name.
Speaker 3: But somebody had said something over fifteen years ago and
Speaker 3: Jay was still getting busy, you know, part of Who
Speaker 3: the Rappers. He said, yeah, man, he should move over
Speaker 3: and ship and let other niggas eat, we know, something like.
Speaker 1: When I heard that, I was like, huh no, you
Speaker 1: step your game up, get in the ring. You get
Speaker 1: in the ring.
Speaker 3: You want the nigga to stop because he's still eating.
Speaker 3: When I heard that, I lost it. But I of
Speaker 3: course I can't go back. I'm not going to go
Speaker 3: and dress somebody. But when I heard that, I was like, plus,
Speaker 3: your excuse me, bless you. But but you know what
Speaker 3: I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: That Yeah, yeah, you know, we ain't got to say
Speaker 2: no dames. Man, they know the shoe fits.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right, Yo, What do you want people to
Speaker 1: say about you when it's all over? Like what you
Speaker 1: wanted them to say? Eric Sherman, who he was.
Speaker 2: I was a good dude because I did last shit
Speaker 2: for free and I gave I gave half of my
Speaker 2: money away, but I did shit on the strength. To
Speaker 2: mad people who I don't even know say that he
Speaker 2: was just a good dude, Like my mother was a giver.
Speaker 2: At my mother's funeral, mostly everybody who came out was like, oh, Belinda,
Speaker 2: was a giver. Oh, Belinda was a giver. So I
Speaker 2: learned that my mother was before I got on.
Speaker 3: My mother used to she didn't really like Sometimes if
Speaker 3: she was in her whole check, she would borrow twenty
Speaker 3: dollars to get to the next person that needed it.
Speaker 1: I've never seen that before. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: so again.
Speaker 3: At one time, that's want people to know that part
Speaker 3: of me like no matter what, And my sister tells people, now,
Speaker 3: my brother is so simple.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you can argue with him or
Speaker 2: be in conference with him because he don't want much.
Speaker 3: Eric is already an introvert, so after that he wanted
Speaker 3: to either binge, watch TV or is not that in
Speaker 3: this or if you got jobs to do.
Speaker 2: I'm never late to never never want an interview. I
Speaker 2: never went to late to nothing.
Speaker 3: I've never been late to a performance for a promoter,
Speaker 3: I respect their time. You got to respect somebody's time.
Speaker 3: So it's very important.
Speaker 2: My man and Jo always told me, man, if you
Speaker 2: ain't ten minutes earlier, you ten minutes late exactly.
Speaker 1: And nobody want to work with an artist that they
Speaker 1: got to wait for.
Speaker 2: No, but if anybody, I don't care who to respect
Speaker 2: somebody's time.
Speaker 1: That's right all the time.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like it's a story that haven't been
Speaker 2: told that you feel like needs to be still told about?
Speaker 2: Eric Chrirman sermon, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, at once at one time though
Speaker 3: complete it's so your bleiker. I ain't gonna lie, man,
Speaker 3: it feels it feels normal, you know, with people that
Speaker 3: you don't hang out with, but it's still your bo
Speaker 3: That's how this feels though too. Again, when I see
Speaker 3: some of my people's who I haven't seen in a while,
Speaker 3: and no matter what if we don't hang out, it's
Speaker 3: still like your butter's still loved.
Speaker 1: But there's real people. But but you actually say say
Speaker 1: it again?
Speaker 2: I say, do you feel like it's a story that
Speaker 2: I had that hasn't been told that at one at
Speaker 2: one time I used to be the underrated story.
Speaker 3: I used to always be like, damn, why niggas don't
Speaker 3: you know? Not my colleagues. But when you talk about
Speaker 3: other ship, listen, I'm in fifty percent of those lists.
Speaker 3: But are y'all looking at the work work? That's right,
Speaker 3: it's only a few of me, you know. So you
Speaker 3: so if you're gonna talk about somebody because again that's
Speaker 3: why I bring up Larry Smith. Niggas leave them out,
Speaker 3: but sucking sees Slick Ricks Houdini. You know when you
Speaker 3: hear these big records, it's this man. Then you got
Speaker 3: to look at Molly Maul without him sampling like then
Speaker 3: and go forward on that level.
Speaker 1: Probably wouldn't be just Blazes, Kanye.
Speaker 2: Well, none of us because he was like, yo, I'm
Speaker 2: a sample, you know.
Speaker 3: So again, at the end of the day, I look
Speaker 3: at myself, JERMAINEU Prito, a few others, don't forget. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but Justin was able to come in the era where okay,
Speaker 3: the producers.
Speaker 1: Name was getting recog Now you've got.
Speaker 2: The metro booms and you yeah, you know seducers getting booked.
Speaker 1: For sure, exactly.
Speaker 3: So again I just I used to look at that,
Speaker 3: but but I'm like this too. The legendary part of
Speaker 3: it is they will know because when it's a need
Speaker 3: to know, they will know that's right.
Speaker 1: And yeah, legends, man, Like I said, E P O.
Speaker 2: D Man, Hit Squad, depth squad, everything, y'all done. Man,
Speaker 2: it's been I've been watching from a far bro and
Speaker 2: I've been a fan.
Speaker 1: You ship when I first met you.
Speaker 2: You treated me like you knew me for a hundred
Speaker 2: years and we've been brothers and been in love ever since.
Speaker 3: In my car I played it, I put a blueprint
Speaker 3: from the top to the bottom. And so so when
Speaker 3: you come up with the rulers back and just keep
Speaker 3: because don't forget it, there's no skip, that's right, you know.
Speaker 2: So my momentum comes from this. So who in the
Speaker 2: world can lie to somebody's face and say you ain't
Speaker 2: a fan of j You're a liar.
Speaker 1: That's like you.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm about to say. Man, Oh no, I
Speaker 2: watched j be like you're your e.
Speaker 1: So you made all that ship? I member?
Speaker 3: He was say one time after Jones beat Ship and
Speaker 3: they're gonna watch the sow maybe ten fifty years ago,
Speaker 3: and they came out the car, so either me let
Speaker 3: me ask me what he said, Yo.
Speaker 1: You made all that ship.
Speaker 3: So I guess they was playing it in the car
Speaker 3: the day before, playing all E P M D. Because
Speaker 3: because again I'm like, I heard Jay say relax mind
Speaker 3: on twice on the fucking Dynasty album. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Like I was a big influence to a lot of us,
Speaker 2: bro and like, don't ever think.
Speaker 1: You you're not amongst those, the JD's and the like. Bro.
Speaker 2: When niggas say your name, they know the classics. You pure, yo,
Speaker 2: the classics.
Speaker 1: You rather time.
Speaker 3: Gotta stop because it's my partner boogie boogie, And he said, Eric,
Speaker 3: everybody who when they're in front of you say the
Speaker 3: same thing, why can't you see it? My sister would
Speaker 3: be like, why can't you see it? My mother used
Speaker 3: to be like, I be like, yo, ma, I saw
Speaker 3: stances last night. She was like, and they saw you,
Speaker 3: they saw you.
Speaker 2: That's right, because you know why you can't see it
Speaker 2: because you living in there. If you took a chance
Speaker 2: and just step back and just look outside of your
Speaker 2: life and inside.
Speaker 1: You'll see it for all y'all say it.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 3: My sister used to get mad too, and I'll be like, yo, Kim,
Speaker 3: I can't help it. I don't know no other way
Speaker 3: because even though mom says it, my humble note comes
Speaker 3: from this. And what's the Simmons said, Eric, you humble
Speaker 3: to a fault because you gotta at a certain way
Speaker 3: sometimes and walk in the room sometimes like you're you.
Speaker 2: Like as we say in My Man, you gotta drag
Speaker 2: your nuts sometime. Let these niggas hold on me too.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: Sometimes when I'm going I take my nuts up right
Speaker 3: now and have them bleeding in the middle of sweet niggas.
Speaker 3: I would do it, not in front of me. I
Speaker 3: would talks. So what's next for you, man? Okay, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Pick up the the the eighty eight fresh I got
Speaker 2: coming on Stars.
Speaker 1: It's a four documentary series.
Speaker 3: I got a thing called Beat some Bars out there
Speaker 3: where I go to ten cities.
Speaker 1: You go on the web, you see it.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I go to ten City Eas and Bars, Sway the
Speaker 3: executive with my boy Nails.
Speaker 1: We go and.
Speaker 3: I go, and I go this difference season, and I've
Speaker 3: been out fifty rappers and twenty five producers and then
Speaker 3: we picked one out of each one and then we
Speaker 3: go to ten cities and they all would battle at
Speaker 3: the end of New York and ten producers and the
Speaker 3: in the ten rods and then.
Speaker 2: They get to split two hundred and fifty grand. So,
Speaker 2: so that show is coming out soon too on Netflix.
Speaker 2: And yeah, Beat and Bars. So but you go on
Speaker 2: there too, you will see the cities that we went to.
Speaker 2: So far, me Sway and and and Nails shout out
Speaker 2: Sway and nails Man, nails Man, my God, Sway, my guy.
Speaker 1: Nails on the beat too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, And then I got death Rugs out there,
Speaker 3: which is my sister Kay sermon to who's I'm taking
Speaker 3: part of my percentage back.
Speaker 2: But but, but, but but we do rugs for everybody.
Speaker 1: Everybody has our rugs.
Speaker 3: In their house and got tapping in So go on
Speaker 3: death Rugs dot com or go to death Rugs on
Speaker 3: on Instagram, whatever, and you will see I don't care
Speaker 3: who you name, sports, fucking rappers, fucking whatever we did.
Speaker 3: Everyone has has my material. And then my boy Unique
Speaker 3: Order Sports. You know, Will Will been doing all your
Speaker 3: carts forever, so he's still doing it. Matter of fact,
Speaker 3: he I think he just did. Fact Joe's Rose Royce
Speaker 3: just recently inside the thing, and he had Camelo Anthony's
Speaker 3: cyber truck in there a couple of times.
Speaker 1: So it's always Wills, but me and him as partners.
Speaker 3: Now we got some shit colls to what you say
Speaker 3: it to on a small scale, right, So it's what
Speaker 3: you're saying podcast. We're getting that together, but it's not
Speaker 3: going to be in the like a scale like that.
Speaker 3: It's just something that we're doing.
Speaker 1: As him.
Speaker 3: Will was the first one to do my Car next
Speaker 3: and eighty eight he put my ragtop on and did
Speaker 3: my car, one of the first cars he ever did.
Speaker 3: So so we go back thirty seven years, so so on,
Speaker 3: on on so on that part. Those what we have
Speaker 3: now with I got going on now and along with
Speaker 3: the volume two, my boy Boogie has Boogie Knights coming now,
Speaker 3: Eric Simonsons. Boogie Knights have the underground people like nature,
Speaker 3: you know, Ali Vegas, the.
Speaker 1: Hoodies, Vegas, I heard that name.
Speaker 2: That Nigga's always been dangerous, the hoodies. Who else Fregol Bass,
Speaker 2: Ufo Fieve So.
Speaker 1: Yeah me.
Speaker 3: So all the underground parts that I didn't do is
Speaker 3: on that project too.
Speaker 1: Did the new Eric.
Speaker 2: Sermon produced Memphis Bleak produced by Eric Sermon, all of
Speaker 2: it because listen no, no, listen no, because the days
Speaker 2: of the one producer is gone. That's why Alchemists did
Speaker 2: so much work for the past year. Freddie Gibbs, fucking
Speaker 2: Larry June, you know. And it didn't do most of
Speaker 2: the more deep but again still mob deep and.
Speaker 1: The project with you. I'm working on the project right
Speaker 1: now with cooland dre. I need to. So you're doing
Speaker 1: the covering. It doesn't matter the more material you have.
Speaker 1: Don't forget.
Speaker 3: You're the one that's saving your publishing, that's right. So
Speaker 3: so you build your catalog up, right. So now you
Speaker 3: got these four or five albums here, if you want
Speaker 3: to do this, See the people don't understand. Say, if
Speaker 3: you got this new publishing and you got this here too,
Speaker 3: you might not want to sell your shit, but THEWS.
Speaker 3: But the new stuff I can make a million dollars
Speaker 3: deal with, and then I can I can keep going.
Speaker 1: That's right, Keep going. That's a game for young people.
Speaker 2: Watch, that's right, keep going, reinvest man, Yo, I appreciate
Speaker 2: you stopping by.
Speaker 1: My brothers. Good seeing you, good health, good spirits.
Speaker 3: Hey listen, man, this is it's a lot and sexy
Speaker 3: right here. But listen, hey, jeez, you better stop. No,
Speaker 3: but listen, man, this is what I tell people all
Speaker 3: the time. Like my birthday is November twenty.
Speaker 2: Fifth, right, oh right there, man, shipday.
Speaker 3: So I'll be in a Lanta with my with my
Speaker 3: dad who just turned eighty, and my sisters. My mom
Speaker 3: lived there before she passed away, and so my sisters
Speaker 3: are there.
Speaker 2: My two sisters and then my nieces and nephews. So
Speaker 2: I'll be sending my birthday there and my son is.
Speaker 3: My twenty year old Earls company, and I be going
Speaker 3: from things given to Miami where I live at to too.
Speaker 1: But I got a basil I'll be. I've never been
Speaker 1: there before. I'll be there.
Speaker 3: So so I'm doing you could take this out do
Speaker 3: I'm doing Drink Champs Live on the third.
Speaker 2: That's my partners Okay, okay, I'm doing that on the third,
Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna go around too because I'm recently.
Speaker 2: You see, I don't want to tell these women that
Speaker 2: this is valuable because you're gonna start a frenzy.
Speaker 3: Listen if you see me right like, oh you got
Speaker 3: that's the green Eye bandit to just back it.
Speaker 1: Up and slow it down something, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Because I'm not gonna be and none of my cars
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be in the uber because they like that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, because I want to pull nothing out.
Speaker 1: But listen, they like.
Speaker 4: Yo the floors and that niggas be doing, like Yo,
Speaker 4: you don't need that no more like you brother, you
Speaker 4: got you're broke because you think that car is gonna
Speaker 4: get you that and then Nigga, right now, that's home.
Speaker 2: Ride a skateboard, get that straight? You out here broke
Speaker 2: yep frying, you don't need none of that. I remember, yo,
Speaker 2: you saying that before we go. I remember I wanted
Speaker 2: to Bentley. I'm telling whole my credit wasn't right, y'all?
Speaker 2: Need you the coach sign for the bit for me?
Speaker 2: He's like, what you need a Bnley for? You got
Speaker 2: the six hundred. So I'm like, yo, bro, you know
Speaker 2: what type of joints I could get with the big
Speaker 2: he said? You know that all the girls take their
Speaker 2: clothes off the same way, whether you walk, drive, or
Speaker 2: get off the bus.
Speaker 1: He said, so if they get naked different, then I
Speaker 1: get you the benchget Tarius. Same mind.
Speaker 2: How rich you are, there's no rich restaurant for you,
Speaker 2: that's right. I'm still We're still going to rob or
Speaker 2: say let's or child.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: A rich bathroom for you. You know which store for you?
Speaker 2: They take you in the back door. I'm walking in there.
Speaker 2: I'm still eating with You're still going in the same
Speaker 2: soup to a market with you. You're still going in
Speaker 2: the same clothes. One hundred percent there's no there's no
Speaker 2: for the people. It's just the same guy.
Speaker 1: You might have money, but I still can shop.
Speaker 2: At the same same store. That's right, man, you already
Speaker 2: know what it is. Man, my brother to thank you,
Speaker 2: let me do a drop, hookie.
Speaker 1: This is rock solid.
Speaker 2: You know what it is, brought to you by du
Speaker 2: say Eric Shermon, not Sherman.
Speaker 1: You know what it is.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: I'm going to keep put Memphis on blasts right now
Speaker 3: because this is crazy.
Speaker 2: He's not gonna speak about this. What but Puffy became
Speaker 2: a billionaire.
Speaker 1: Alcohol mm hmm e forty Rick Ross.
Speaker 3: Anybody that got this, So I don't know how much
Speaker 3: money you're making. But this nigga is lying, yo, because.
Speaker 2: Because I'm shopping in the same super boxus.
Speaker 3: Because because Aces Spade, anybody team who has alcohol has paper.
Speaker 3: So Bleak is able behind able to hide behind the
Speaker 3: marriage because now I'm home with the white beet so
Speaker 3: I'm not in the street. But that money because Snoop
Speaker 3: Dogg is like that too, Nigga, Snoop, we know you
Speaker 3: paid Nigga, Like, yo, stop it, Bleak. I'm just keeping
Speaker 3: the one hundred whoever is at the job. And that's
Speaker 3: who's ever is an employee and y'all didn't getting no
Speaker 3: Christmas bonus. Somebody speak up.
Speaker 2: You know what it is he's do save my feet?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you can do it with which one? You
Speaker 1: know what a right?
Speaker 3: He dub my name myself twice. Man, I'm the George
Speaker 3: Girvin the rap. Call me the Iceman. It's Eric Sermon,
Speaker 3: the bandit half of e pm D thirty Death Squad.
Speaker 3: I'm here, right here with Memphis Bleach on rock solid.
Speaker 3: Rock solid, I never knew again. Let me do it again.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's good. Okay, you'll cut off. I'm
Speaker 1: doing all my time. I'm right here.
Speaker 3: He dub my name myself twice. Man, I'm the George Girvin,
Speaker 3: the rap, Call me the Iceman. It's Eric Sermon, the
Speaker 3: bandit half of epm D you thirty Death Squad. I'm here,
Speaker 3: my man, man, my brother Memphis Bleach here on rock solid.
Speaker 3: And don't get it twisted.
Speaker 2: I know he twisted is the name people are so
Speaker 2: all the time, but don't get it fucked up.
Speaker 1: Holler.
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