WEBVTT - Curtain Call 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:05.400 Boom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes a 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:09.080 week was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:12.400 of the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.440 treats crackheads in the ghetto gutter the same as the 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:19.560 rich pill poppers in the penthouse, the clearing House of 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:23.360 hot takes break free for something special. The Fifth Hour 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:27.360 with Ben Maller starts right now. That it does, and 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:29.440 if you hear my voice at this time, you know 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:32.960 that the weekend has begun. The Fifth Hour with Ben Mallory, 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.920 because four hours are not enough, and we are doing 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:39.120 this now eight days a week, and thank you for 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.279 that being part of this. The numbers continue to go up. 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:44.000 We're gonna address that in a couple of minutes. And 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.760 we are as always in the air, everywhere more than 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:50.280 ever now on the podcast the Vast Power and the 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:54.840 global footprint. Put footprint, he's mean to say of the 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:58.960 podcast there as it's heard every week three times. We 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.840 can started out as once a week and then morphed 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:07.080 into a monstrosity and as always joined for better or 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:12.440 worse by the man affectionately known as gag On, David Gascon, 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:16.840 who's right over there, happy a happy, happy weekend to 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:20.640 Ben Maller. I think it's uh been a long time, 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:23.640 been a long time since so we have we have, 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:27.120 we've gotten together. But the day after you and Rob Parker, 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:31.280 Robert Garrett, myself, it's it's nice to decompress a little 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:34.160 bit from the day that was. Um oh yeah, radio 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.280 history clearly. And uh, I think we should actually start 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.800 with this because I have gotten nothing but vitriol from 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:45.200 the Mallard militia. Uh. They want me to never ever 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.240 do anything other than the show. And uh and if 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.880 I do anything other than the show, then this becomes 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:54.160 from Maggie. I try to explain to people that listen. 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.520 I got a phone call, I was asked to do this. 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.320 I love Rob, I'm a big fan. I wanted to 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:02.440 do it, and he wanted me to do it. Management 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.760 wanted me to do it, and so and then and 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.520 then they're like, well, you should still have done your 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.480 show last night. You still should have been in and 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.760 then the show. My argument was like, yeah, I would 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:16.160 have done it. I've done a ton of radio. When 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.920 I worked at e I, I was doing like a 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.400 three hour show there on a four hour show at Fox. 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:24.639 It was like seven hours. I only had an hour break, 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.280 so I would totally do it, but it that was 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.880 on different radio stations, like this is the same radio 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.040 I started explained to people, like the concept of like 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.720 like if if you have one voice for seven hours 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:41.720 out of eleven, management doesn't normally want that because they 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.880 want different voices on. That's usually how that works a 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:48.760 little a little bit different, especially because and I still 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.040 get random texas from you, like at six or seven 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:52.600 o'clock in the morning. In fact, I had to go 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:56.160 back through my phone on that date on Thursday, and yeah, 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.079 I'm like, what the funk is? He's still doing a 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:02.320 way go to bed? No got I got a certain routine, 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.680 I got a certain schedule. I gotta keep my schedule 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.840 and um, but yeah, I'm gonna do these other day parts. 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:10.960 But I am happy to report. I don't know if 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:12.639 you've done this something we talked about this a while ago. 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.560 But I have done the radio cycle. Very few people 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:18.400 in radio have done the radio cycle. I've done the 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.799 radio cycle. Now what is the radio cycle? Yes? Now, 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.640 first of all, you gotta you gotta really be messed 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:25.120 up in the head to do it. That's the first thing. 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.720 Second thing is it's a round the clock, spanning the clock. 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:33.440 I have been on over my career every hour of 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:38.560 the day, every day. Part from like morning drive, which 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.320 I've only done briefly, mid days, which I did a 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:43.880 little while I I was for a couple of years, 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.720 I did mid days, afternoon drive. I've done some shows 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:52.560 on afternoon drive, evenings, late nights, and then overnights. So 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.360 I've done the full radio cycle. Now, I know, guest 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.880 on you're you're not really into that, you don't you 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.320 You're pretty boogey. You like your sleep, you like your routines, 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.800 So you probably haven't done the radio, the full radio 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.280 cycle because you you're someone that likes to to have 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.200 daytime shifts. You like the daytime radio. Well, no, I've 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.960 never I've never hosted around the cycle. In fact, I've 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:16.200 never hosted on any cycle. So that's that's correct. Are 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.080 you complaining about that? Why don't you make that change? 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.960 Create your own reality? How about that? It's a little 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.360 bit of a log gam here, and I don't think 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:25.680 that I'd have that opportunity to do that. I don't know. 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:30.240 That's a definis statude losers mentality. I guess I think 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.280 you'd agree with me that everyone needs to have an 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:34.960 opportunity to swing the stick, but that doesn't come without 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:40.520 an advocate. So I think I think you around on 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:42.320 you and be like, hey, you know what, I think 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.600 this guy deserves to have a shot. And you know, 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.360 I'd like to woken up the microphone to my right 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:50.160 or to my left and uh, let's give this an Well, 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.160 I would be really open for you getting a shot 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:57.960 if you had more empowering beliefs that if you try to, 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.560 you know, create your own reality and you know, make 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.640 life happen for you. I one of my pet peeves 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.240 is people that have the victim mentality and you're out 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:08.520 to get me, and it just sounds like you have that. 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:10.800 It sounds like you're letting obstacles hold you back. Well, 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:14.120 I don't think it's too hard, it's too difficult, there's 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.839 too many people. Oh my god, I don't think it's 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.000 any of that. I think it sounds like to me, 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:20.800 I think it would. You would agree with me here 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:25.520 that that working here and and working with you like 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:30.480 those are things that I'm not publicly or privately acknowledged 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.400 for doing. Right, I think that you can attest to that. 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.080 So what are you referencing here, What are you getting 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.520 in here? Well, I mean it's the pro bono work. 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.880 We've we've discussed this, and you know I'm not oh yeah, 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:43.960 but you're free to leave whatever you want. I mean, 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.600 I mean, you're open to if you're not happy here, 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.240 if we're we feel like you're not being treated properly 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.359 and you feel like this is an obstacle you cannot overcome, 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:56.080 and you're free to re resign from your position here. 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.240 I'm sure there's seven thousand other people out there would 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:00.040 love to do this. Well, I don't think those of 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.320 thousand people would want to do that, to be fair, 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:04.960 do you? I get email every day from people saying, 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:07.679 get rid of guests, gun bring somebody else in here, 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.880 and so that the people are saying, so, I I mean, 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.560 I'm you know, not listening to them. I'm ignoring them. 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.600 I like working with you, but bitching your west of 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.560 the four or five attitudes. You know what, in that 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.159 entire rat you said you'd like to work in with me, 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.440 So you know what, that's the acknowledgment that I needed. 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.640 So let's you just need me to scratch your back 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.680 a little. I think it's more appropriate that you can 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:33.560 say like a thank you ever so often or a 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:35.479 paddle the back and be like, man, it's good to 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.440 hear your voice, like like when you were dying, when 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:40.520 you were dying in the in the hospital and you 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:44.880 came back from your gallbladder situation, I said, you were missed. 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.040 You're missed by all, you were missed by me, and 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.000 it's good to have you back in the saddle and 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.960 im bloviating on the air. So well. I think it's 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:55.039 important that you you know that they kind of you. 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:58.040 And I believe the quote of Chuck Baganto he was 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.880 literally on his deathbed there and uh yeah, I was 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:05.360 there because of you, by the way, so make sure 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.000 you don't forget that. The last the famous question, have 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.600 you ever had a surgery? If you ever? And uh 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:16.080 within what ten days? I think something like that I 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.320 was being chopped open. So thank you for that, guest gun, 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:25.000 I appreciate literally literally gutted yes, thank you and uh 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.280 so you couldn't do diddle pooh in my book. But 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:31.680 but anyway, let'sten. So be sure to catch live editions 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:33.920 of The Ben Maller Show week days at two am 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.760 Eastern eleven pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:41.480 I Heart Radio app. We've got just a few things 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.640 here on the menu. Lean in me and I'm sure 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.160 we'll spin into a couple of things we'll have later on. 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:48.960 We'll get the Florida Man. I have a few stories. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.880 I love the Florida Man. The Florida Man is great, 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:53.920 and so we have a few Florida Man stories. We'll 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.200 get to those in a little bit. We have the 0:07:56.280 --> 0:08:02.040 magical hack Saw and Handy Man and Mallard. We're gonna 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:03.960 get to these. So why don't we start with hacks 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:08.320 Ag who we had on last week on the podcast. 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:12.000 And uh to say that hacks All still has a 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:15.320 little bit on his fastball is an understatement that there's 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:18.760 a there's a need to hear the voice of Lee Hacksaw. 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:26.120 Hamilton's a staple of Los Angeles, San Diego West Coast Radio, 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:30.840 early days of sports talk radio. The numbers on this 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.600 now we get real time feedback on what's good and 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:36.400 what's not good, and what people are listening to, what 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.319 people are listening to and Lee Hamilton's when we chatted 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:43.000 with him, we went on memory Lane. We broke the 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:47.400 ice on the high Speed Sports Wire from Baja to 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.760 the Canadian Rockies. This was a ratings win for the 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:55.040 podcast Gascon, was it not? Yeah, it was. I had 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:58.000 to go back, and I was just curious because as 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.160 soon as the number, I tend to check the the 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.680 reports like every other day or like once a week 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:04.960 to see like the progression or like what's going and 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.320 what's not and when people actually download these podcasts, because 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.800 we did tweak a little bit, going from like a 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:15.280 Friday midday to Friday morning, Saturday and Sunday mornings, and 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.439 then I had to go back to not only your podcast, 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:22.040 but then also your show podcast, like the regular overnight show. 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:26.640 And so dating back to January one of twenty nineteen, 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:31.880 your highest rated download ever for any audio is the 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:37.320 interview time with Lee Hacksaw Hamilton's believable. So that broke 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.560 because the previous record was the Kobe Bryant Death Show, 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.040 when we were on the night after Kobe had died 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.800 in the helicopter accident. That had been number one. So 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:52.000 Hacksaw is bigger than Kobe. Yes, yeah, So you had Hamilton's. 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:53.920 So you had the Kobe Bryant Show, and then you 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.400 had the best of what the Kobe Bryant in there, 0:09:56.520 --> 0:10:00.959 and those two were both topped by by hacks On. Yeah, 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.040 and just for the record, and I'm not certainly looking 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.440 for a compliment, because I would never do that. I 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.400 had wanted to get hacks on a long time ago, 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.680 and I thought this would be the perfect platform for that. 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.000 And someone I'm not gonna name any names, he was 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:18.080 disturbed by that. Someone was bothered by that, was baffled 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.160 why I would want to put Hacksaw on the podcast, 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:24.560 almost to the point of being agitated. Uh. And it 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:26.760 was just bewildering to this person that I would want 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.160 to do that. And it's very odd of you know, 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.040 because I'm thinking, well, this is what's wrong with this. 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.040 This will be fine, you know, nobody should be bummed 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.480 out about this. Hacks as a friend and he's a 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:38.160 mentor of mine. And but yet, uh, there was somebody 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.920 and again I'm not naming any names, might have grown up, 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:42.880 might be living west of the four or five. It 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.200 was annoyed by this, was exasperated by the idea that 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:50.440 hacks would would be on the podcast, and uh, you know, 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.400 it just makes makes me pump my chest out a 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.679 little bit more on just just saying, you know, some 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:58.760 people are maybe ungrateful for the hard work of booking 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:02.559 certain people and do not appreciate that, but it does happen. Yeah, 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.319 well we should acknowledge those people. If they are ungrateful, 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.679 they don't appreciate your your hard work, and so we 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.720 should make sure that they kind of put their nose 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:13.720 in their own ship. Well, I'm sure, I'm sure the 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:18.559 people that felt that way will also acknowledge their mistakes 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:22.240 and their inaccuracy and say that they screwed up, they 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.600 dropped the ball on that one. They misjudge the The 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:29.120 listener to the podcast, Yeah, I I completely agree. Now, 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.720 this actually goes against as you know, this goes against 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:37.439 the great, the great author Dale Carnegie. This goes against 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.520 what his words were in telling people that they are wrong. 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:44.280 Never tell people that they are wrong, just point out 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:48.000 some different information that they can change their Carnegie didn't 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.600 host a sports talk radio program, so he built a 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:55.040 multimillion dollar business. That's what That's what he did. So 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.480 I read the book. I liked the book, but it's 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.240 not word for It's kind of like people read the bable, 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.199 they don't follow it word for word. Right, there's a 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.520 lot of debauchery that people do that you shouldn't do 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:06.160 in the Bible, but people still do it right. You 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:11.079 shouldn't shouldn't riot, you shouldn't kill people, you shouldn't fornicate 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.280 out of marriage. People still do it right, and you 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.720 pick and choose what's important to them. So that's that's 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:19.480 the way human beings consume literature books. You pick and 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:21.520 choose what you think is important. Like the stuff I 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.880 took out of that that book were you know, certain 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.679 little things to help communicate and make people feel better 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.439 about themselves and the little things like that. But it's 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.320 not a word for word right right, point by point thing. 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.560 But for you, it's interesting that that would be something 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.800 that's very important to you, and it's really telling about 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:42.000 your personality that that is that that you're kind of 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.720 a typical millennial here that anybody tells me, I made 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.959 a mistake and I got a problem, I got a 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.120 I got an issue. That's not true. I'm always like 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.000 it sounds like I'm always first to acknowledge when I'm 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:54.480 in the wrong. I'm always open for for debate and 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.680 for listening. And uh, I feel like I'm pretty open 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.440 the conversation. I'm not. I think you'd agree with me 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.800 more that I'd more the listening here than the talking, 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.640 and so I think that, you know, with with that 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.720 being said, I think that's typical of my personally. I'm 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.200 really an open spirit here. So this reminds me of 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:14.240 that old conversation with the great talk show host from Chicago, 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:18.200 Mr North. There like North and what was he What 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.640 was his line? Something like, welcome to the big leagues. 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:23.040 Not You're not in the minor leagues anymore, You're in 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.800 the big leagues, and very very funny quote. But did 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.200 be sure to catch live editions of the Ben Maller 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.400 Show week days at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific. 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.679 Just to follow up on the hacks thing. I did 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.520 have a brief conversation with Lee Hanks on him and 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:40.800 I called him up checked in with him a couple 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:44.640 of days after we had him on, and Hacksaw was 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:46.920 very kind. He wanted to come on the radio show, 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:48.280 and I tried to explain to him we don't really 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.080 have guests on the radio show. It's just you know, 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:51.520 the podcast thing, and he was cool with that and 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.559 he wanted to come back on the podcast. So considering 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:56.680 the massive ratings and we didn't even get to like 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:58.320 most of the stuff we could have talked about with 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.160 Hacks that we just did, like the basic outline nd 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.319 of Haxe's career, but some of the crazy things that 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:05.440 happened at the mighty six ninety back in the day, 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.800 and all the personalities, the people that made it, the 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:13.080 people that didn't make it, um some big names, some 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:15.720 some hit and misses at that station, and some of 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.280 the other drama that went on behind the scenes, which 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.119 is now all fair game because the Statue of Limitations 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.680 has run out on that and so you don't have 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.440 to worry about burning bridges or anything like that. In fact, 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:30.280 I just so Howard Friedman, who was the program director 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.560 when I interned in San Diego, and I've told the 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:36.359 story before about Howard, like many of my my neurotic 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.600 nature towards radio, never wanting to take days off is 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.240 in large part because Howard Friedman as a program director 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.640 in San Diego, when people would take vacation at the 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.040 end of the year, he just fired them. They would 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.880 never come back, and so uh so because of that, 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:53.240 I was, like, I correlated that if you take time off, 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:55.160 you're gonna gonna lose your job, and all this stuff 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:58.600 and so you can thank him for me not taking 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:00.360 a lot of time off. But plus I just like 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.960 doing the show anyway. Yeah, that's that's pretty interesting. I 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:07.000 did not know that. Now, did he ever take time off, Howard? Yeah, yeah, 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:08.800 how I took it. He's in he moved to Idaho, 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:09.760 by the way. I just I don't know if I 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:11.840 should say that, but nobody knows who he is. But yeah, 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.160 that's a pretty generic name. But yeah, he's retired now 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:16.800 he's living, and I hope, Yeah, he took time off. 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.400 Of course, that's interesting. So also he also had the 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.680 line that he was, you know, when the board ops 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.880 would funk up and they would make a mistake, which 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.680 would happen occasionally, and he he would be quick to 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:30.360 fire them and uh. And his his line was something 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:31.560 to the effect that he could go down to the 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.120 San Diego Zoo or the train station, to the bus 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:37.680 station and find somebody that could run the board. Always 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.560 nice to uh to diminish someone that's making like ten 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.440 dollars an hour part time. It was even last back then, man, 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.560 not even ten blucks an hour. There, you better off 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.680 working at Jack in the box. You make more money, 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:52.000 the benefits are better that's that's fascinating. But yeah, Haxell 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.000 was really good. You know, the beautiful thing about asking 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.280 the questions. He's rather long winded, and that's from the 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.520 experience and from his his roots of coming from the 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.160 East Coast to the West coast. There was a lot 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.760 to There's certainly a lot to take in, especially since 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.120 he kind of covered the globe with sportscasting right play 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.160 by play and being a reporter and being a he 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.160 did it all, So I I like, I like guys 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.560 like that that can cover everything as opposed to be 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.760 in a one trick pony. So I really appreciate that. Yeah, 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.760 and I loved, you know, to to butter his biscuits 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:24.640 because he's not here and he won't hear this, but 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:29.560 the methodical nature that he would prepare for the show 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.640 and that he had this and everyone's got their own 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.360 way to do things, but he was so formulated and 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:39.040 so disciplined and meticulous with the way that he would 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:41.240 get ready for whether it was a charger game or 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.160 the talk show. And he brought it up and it 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:47.920 was it's ridiculous. And there's there's two different ways to 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:49.880 do it, and you know, there's you can make beds 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.960 different ways. You can cut peel peel and orange different ways. 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:57.520 But uh he he really mastered the willpower part of it, 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.080 and uh so it was pretty cool. So thank for 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.760 all the download the hacks So hopefully well we'll actually 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.160 gain some new listeners that will say, wait a minute, 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.040 maybe I should listen to this going forward as opposed 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.639 and we'll have other guests on. You know, if you 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:14.440 want to recommend somebody, feel free to reach out either 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.399 on social media or if you there's somebody that maybe 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.760 somebody in radio like Hacksaw that I used to work with, 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:23.639 that you you would want to hear on. It's the 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.399 email address, is what is it? Dear? It's the uh 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.560 let's see here the fifth hour, right, fifth hour, the 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.880 fifth hour, real fifth hours, real fifth hour. There you go. Eventually, 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:37.560 I'll get it right, keep getting fifth hour at gmail 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.400 dot com. I was gonna say, like part of see 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:44.399 I personally read that wrong because like we had Tony 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.800 Bruno on you know, a few episodes ago, and Tony 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.040 did well. To Tony, yeah, those were good. So I 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:53.400 guess for me, it's just you know, how I'm trying 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.119 to read the the audience because you have a very 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.800 eclectic audience and people that listen to your show or 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.800 people that just listen to podcas as younger, older, and 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.720 so I'm trying to get an idea of what people 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:05.399 like to listen to. So I was figuring, like, well, 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:07.040 if we had Tony on who was a host and 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.560 a former host at Fox Sports Radio, like, would that 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:14.119 go in line with having another host that's worked in 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.240 the industry that's close on by it too? So I 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.320 thought like, maybe we should spread those out. So I 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.120 read the Uh, I read the I read the green 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:25.199 a little wrong, and yeah, that's but now we know. 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.000 And you don't know what you don't know until you 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:29.480 know what you don't know. And now you know what 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:32.119 you don't know, So now we know and uh and 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:34.359 going forward and at some other I'm trying to think 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.120 of some other ideas. I wish the late great Joe 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.320 McDonald was still with us. I'd have big, Big Nasty 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.080 on Joe McDonald, who was a big star l a 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.680 talk show host, another guy that influenced me in my career, 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.960 the Big Nasty as they called him there, and I 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:49.440 had some radio wars with him and we went at 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.960 it a few times. We've got some fights, me and him, 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.119 but we made up and we were friends and and 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.320 all that. But anyway, so any you are right about 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.320 the Mallar mush because, as I referenced your ear you're 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:04.800 in this podcast, there were many people very upset with 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:08.160 me who wanted to put a human firewall up around 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.080 me to protect me from leaving to go just do 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.840 a one, one off type show with Rob Parker, which 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:20.720 was yesterday, and people very protective and they do not 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:25.000 want anything. It's almost like they don't want If I 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:28.240 were to leave the overnight, I would these people would 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.280 be revolting. Guess there would be a revolt if I 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.360 did that. Yeah, it's a little odd. It's the same station, 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:36.960 it's the same network, it's the same platforms, it's just 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:40.280 a different time slot. I don't I don't know. I think, 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:42.640 if anything, that people are failing to acknowledge that by 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:46.960 you working with Rob on his show, that directs traffic 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:50.000 to your show or to your podcast, which I might add. 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.320 Over the last sixty days, downloads are up a hundred 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.639 and sevent Be sure to catch live editions of The 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.800 Ben Maller Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven p m. 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:03.480 P sip. It's good, it's wonderful. So but yeah, this 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:05.639 is not again just to clever, people were comparing me 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:09.399 to Blake SNeW there was some kind of dereliction of duties. 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:11.359 In fact, it's the opposite of that. It is not 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.840