WEBVTT - Zero Dollars is No Money 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:06.040 I have had sex with a guy who like he came, 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:08.799 and I didn't even know he came because he was 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:20.320 so dead silent, where you silent silent. There's been so 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:24.560 much happening recently, and I've been consuming so much media 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:28.479 that I feel like we should slow the brakes today 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:33.040 a little bit and just talk about what we've been watching, reading, 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:36.239 listening to, you know, really get into like a little 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:43.120 a little key um what we're vibing. Yeah, and you know, 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.000 of course, you know, next time we'll we'll do another 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:51.600 deep dive into a more nostalgic cultural object. But today 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.880 we're you know, talking about what's going on at the moment, 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:56.800 because this is like a virgin the show where we 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.080 give yesterday's pop culture, and I do mean the pop 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:03.360 culture from literally yesterday today's takes. I'm Rose, damn you, 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:10.640 and I'm fran Toronto. How are you doing? Would you 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.560 do this weekend? Um? Well, the weekend was great. I 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.440 just like kind of spent the weekend indoors. I had 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.840 people over for brunch. We watched ever After, I had people, well, 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:22.480 I watched ever After recently too. Did you have fun? 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:27.319 It was? It was great? Angelica Huston it's Oh. I 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.479 thought I thought that she was one of those girls 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:33.000 that like she's like, no, it's huston, okay, thank you? 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:35.520 Um should we do and have our after episode? I 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.880 don't maybe a Drew, a Drew Barrymore episode. I honestly 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.160 think it's a Drew. It's a Drew episode for sure, 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.160 because ever after it's amazing. But to me, it would 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.959 have to be a larger discussion about like Cinderella adapt 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.000 weights or something. You know what would be good though, 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:53.480 is a fairy Dale adaptation episode? Yes, because I think 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.040 there's a lot because then we could do like into 0:01:56.080 --> 0:02:00.040 the Woods, we could do like I don't know, I 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:03.120 think that opens up a lot of things. Actually, even 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:07.520 just Cinderella adaptations gives us like Brandy gives us the 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:12.200 Cape Blanchet, Cinderella give Okay, well we're gonna work. Well 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.519 we'll we'll chop it, we'll ChRI it. But anyways, ever 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.720 after it was great. Angelica Houston was I mean, she 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:21.040 was the whole movie. She I forgot how could anyone 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.560 love a pebble in their shoe? Or when she was like, 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.840 do not contribute to the silence unless you can improve it, 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:33.800 I was like damn amazing actress. I think I really 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:37.720 forgot how clever the whole movie is, how good the 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:43.639 dialogue is. Um, how Drew really wear some ugly, ugly 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:47.880 dresses in that movie? Also some gorgeous dresses. My favorite 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.600 lasters is My favorite look of hers is when she 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.799 goes to meet him in the abandoned castle and she's 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:59.040 wearing like a like a red velvet number. I did 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:00.720 not like all of her dress, says except for the 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.560 last one. We will agree to degree. Yeah, I was. 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.480 I was isolated. People disagreed with me. That people that 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.520 I was viewing with also disagreed with me. But I 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.520 was just so maybe that means you have bad taste. 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:15.480 You know, I actually have great taste. As I've said 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:19.119 on the podcast, I've always had a great taste with 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.960 some with some exceptions. But I was going to tell 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.400 you just a few So Rose, what have you been 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:28.160 like listening to consuming this weekend? Like? Have you just 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.880 were you? I saw you were in Malibu? Question mark? Yes, Um, 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.560 I went to the beach yesterday. We went to zooma 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:38.000 beach and Malibu. You know, I'm like not really a 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.400 beach girl. I'm a pool girl like you know, being 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:45.960 from Florida. Um, but it was perfect beach day. We 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.000 drove up there in the morning, We're there for a 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:51.680 couple of hours and then like left by three pm, 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:55.480 which is, you know, perfect for me. I cannot I 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:57.000 cannot go to the beach with people who want to 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:01.040 be there literally all day. Yeah, I know, but you 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.000 are you are a Caucasian and you do need allies 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.280 in that in that situation. But you know, we had 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.560 we had a an umbrella, so I was able to 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:13.320 be in the shade um an umbrella ella an umbrella 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:15.400 la la a a. But I did get some son, 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.080 do you have more freckles? Now? I do have a 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.120 lot more freckles. But I also did use some of 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:24.000 my weekend to catch up on some you know, cultural things. 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:28.440 The big thing is f Y Island ended, and the 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:32.560 twists were twisting. The twists were twisting, so spoilers for 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:37.720 anyone watching. But f Boy Island ended, and the final 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:41.039 twist was that Nikki Glazer revealed to the girls that 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:47.120 instead of just either choosing a nice guy and getting 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:49.920 to split the money with him, or choosing an f 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.160 boy and the f boy having the ability to either 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.160 split the money or take all of it. There was 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:59.160 a third option where the women could choose themselves and 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.040 keep all of them money, which I was gagged. I 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:06.719 was screaming, shooting and hollering at a really good twist. 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.120 I was hoping that they were all going to do it. 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.120 That's the thing that was. Like, I mean, obviously it's 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.760 reality TV that's been produced to the instagrae like This 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:21.159 Girl is scripted during some parts, But like I I 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.160 just don't understand anybody that would not choose a hundred 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:28.320 thousand dollars, like even after taxes, that so much money, Like, 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:33.560 come on us, after taxes is considerably less money, and 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:37.160 zero dollars is no money. There's no money. Um so 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.480 my I've already sent you a voice memo with all 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.560 of my takes. But like, I think it's infuriating that 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.080 Ms Mercedes did not take the hundred thousand dollars in dash. 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.640 That would have been way more satisfying. It would have 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:50.760 been up to our predictions. He is such a piece 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.599 of ship and they're clearly not even going to last 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.160 very long, so like why even a week? It's a charade, 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.120 like Mercedes is putting on a charade of being a 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.080 nice guy, and I hate him. I feel like he 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:08.159 realized how bad he looked over over the course of 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:11.480 the show and wanted to try to rehabilitate his image 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.880 at the end. That's the worst part if you are 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:18.480 on a reality TV show, Do not do not self analyze, 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:21.080 do not self perceive, Like it just makes the whole 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:25.200 thing worse. Like no self awareness, you should be a 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:32.599 black mirror upon which, um, you know. I wished Louise 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:36.479 was my favorite character from beginning to end, and I 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.280 was kind of thinking she was going to turn out 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:40.280 to be the f girl who took the money, but 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.960 spoiler alert, it was Tamaris was the only one who 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:47.080 picked herself and revealed herself to be an F girl, 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.440 and I honestly, the clues were there all season. Obviously 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.440 kind of showed she had said many times that she 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:56.480 cheated before, she'd lied, before she was a player, that 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:01.040 she dumps guys with no emotion like, so I was like, 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.000 you know, good for her, and I kind of I 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:07.039 loved actually the moment where they showed the guy crying 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:08.440 and then as soon as he left, she was like, 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:12.520 can I get makeup in here? That was so fucking 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.840 funny because it was like the immediate switch, um from 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.760 the I mean Tommy Boy, Poor Tommy Boy. Um the 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:22.960 like FARTI trombone sounds that put underneath him. Tommy Boy 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:28.760 will be fine. But another another incredible season of reality television. Truly, 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.800 are you a Louise Tamaris or where are we both? 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:35.160 To Maris's I'm definitely Tamaris. I think you're more of 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:41.160 a Louise. Am I more of Louise Louise. The thing is, 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.600 I will say at the I I really do cut 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.200 and run like you're an f girl. I'm not saying 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.920 you're not a girl, but you also are legitimately Louise. 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:54.720 You are looking for love. Also on a trio Max, 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.520 Harley Quinn came back. You know, friend and I have 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.960 talked before about how Harley Quinn was one of our 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:03.400 favorite shows of last year. It's back in its third 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:08.239 season the Pandemic find. Yeah, we have both only watched 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.200 the first episode, I think. Um. We talked about how 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:13.320 we're both kind of saving it for like a Saturday 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:17.240 morning cartoon SNAr um, So I just haven't gotten around 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.360 to watching more of it. But in the first episode 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.240 is great. It was Harley and Poison Ivy are together. 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.840 Now they're on like they're going on like an international 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:31.320 honeymoon funck fest. It's beautiful. It's the show remains so funny. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:36.240 I laugh out loud all the time it's starting, and 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.960 it's starting with a kind of more emotional honest, the 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:43.040 emotionally honest kind of plot points of like what's not 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:47.280 going right in their relationship, the little clues about where 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.240 their disconnects are, where their miscommunications are, which, like I 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.400 kind of wish it would start with like the fun stuff, 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.360 but like you know, the show is very layered, and 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:58.520 I really I'm excited to see where it goes. Yeah, 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.120 I can't wait. I have to go in a little 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:05.000 rant about another HBO show that is not good? Um, 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.880 do you watch Westworld? Have you ever watched Westworld? No? 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.679 I probably you know, as I always say, the next 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.680 time I have the flu, I will definitely watch the 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.959 first season, but just the first season. I would never 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.680 watch more than watch only the first season, because the 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:22.400 first season of Westworld was great, It was amazing. Even 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:27.200 the second season of West World was had moments of 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:31.040 brilliance and was otherwise, like the third season of rest 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:35.760 World was rotted. Should have never happened. The fourth season, 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:40.200 which is airing now, lured me back in somehow, making 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.280 me think it would be good again. People were talking 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:46.200 about it, and just every week has gotten worse and worse, 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:50.200 and I feel like I'm losing my mind triasically. It's 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:54.640 basically just like the Matrix now. And the thing that 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:56.680 I wanted to bring up is like, obviously I don't 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:58.880 want to talk about like the particulars of the show, 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.080 like it's very it's all very hetty and stupid, and 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:08.840 like it's it's it's exactly as yes, it is exactly 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:14.120 as dumb as it thinks it's smart, which is infuriating. 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:18.920 But one of the things I've noticed is that, especially 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:23.400 this season, there is so much suicide depicted on the show. 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:28.440 Like the robots are constantly killing themselves. Um, you know, 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:30.679 death doesn't death doesn't mean the same thing on the 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:32.680 show because people are robots that can be brought back, 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.920 but also the human characters are killing themselves, and it's 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:39.520 at a point where it has become almost like fetishistic, 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:43.480 the way that people are constantly killing themselves. And it's 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:47.600 just something about it to me, and I'm not usually 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:51.360 like the morality Police with with media, Like I'm like, 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.600 go off, I want to see funked up should happen. 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.360 But it's just it's just really weird and it actually 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:04.640 is making me on comfortable what you yeah, because it's 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.480 just so indulgent, like it doesn't really it's like for 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.320 the sake of it, there's no asition to the violence. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:15.800 Yeah there. It really feels like there could have been 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.480 a better storytelling choice to get kind of the same 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:22.920 point across. That's such a bummer. I mean, I honestly 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:26.120 getting sucked into a show is the worst. And I 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.080 really appreciate when people are like just watched the first 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:30.920 season because that's the only thing I would do with 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.559 West World. Honestly, That's what I'm doing with Damages right now, 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.960 which like I can't discuss well like well for another podcast, 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.720 Like it's just the reason you need. The main reason 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.800 I'm still watching West World is like a I do 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.320 still kind of want to know how it how it ends, 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.520 and I'm sure it will get canceled after this season. 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.880 There's no way with all the HBO stuff happening, like 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:54.120 with the business things, that this show, which like literally 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.920 four people are watching, will get renewed. But Also another 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:00.360 reason why I watch it is because who weekly do 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.280 recaps on their on their weekly Patreon episodes and they're 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:06.640 really funny, and so I literally watched the episodes just 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:10.280 so I have the context to listen to that fun 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:14.880 at least, Yes, but funck Westworld. Um So, I have 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.120 a movie recommendation for you that I really think you 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.160 should watch. Um so we can discuss a little bit 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.840 more at length in the future. There's this new movie 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:28.800 out called Not Okay. It's on Hulu. It's stars Zoe Deutsch, 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.240 who's like just one of those girlies, one of the girls. Yeah, 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:34.440 you know, she's I think she's an nepotism baby. And 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:38.240 it's about this like a loser photo editor who works 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:42.320 at sort of like a vice magazine analog and she 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.240 really wants to be a writer, and like everyone in 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.319 her office hates her in sort of a way that's 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.760 almost like a caricature, Like they're like, you're a fucking loser, 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:52.720 even though she's like hot and like is like almost 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.960 like disgustingly on trend, like she has those like streaks 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:59.360 that every girl had less year, the chunky rings, and 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:03.880 you know, like so she decides that to seem cool. 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.800 She's going to fake going on a trip to Paris 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.840 to a writer's workshop, and while she's supposed to be 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:14.640 in Paris, a terrorist attack happens there, so everyone in 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.080 her life thinks that she was part of the attack, 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.959 and all of a sudden, she starts getting attention for it, 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.880 and she realizes that she can use her victimhood as 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:27.559 a way to become an influencer, and in doing so, 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.719 she meets this young high school girl who is a 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:35.000 school shooting survivor and becomes friends with her. And it 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.800 obviously gets very messy and dramatic, but it's really funny. 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.280 It's really smartly written. I think it has some very 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.280 interesting things to say about influence our culture. I don't 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.920 think it's a perfect movie by any means, but what 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.320 I loved is that she, the protagonist, is a horrible person, 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.840 and she is it does the movie does have some 0:13:55.400 --> 0:14:00.679 maybe not sympathy, but empathy for her, and she does not, 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:04.600 you know, get any sort of like Redemption arc Um. 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.640 But it was a really good movie. Um. I think 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.400 it's a first time filmmaker who wrote and directed it 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.440 very excited to see what she does next. And I 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:17.400 think you would really enjoy it. I'm honestly surprised that 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.520 that you liked it, because I feel like it's so hard, 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:24.600 especially for consumers like us, to to make a good 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.560 movie that is also a commentary on social media and 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:31.520 or influencers. Like that stuff gets really cringe really fast. 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:36.360 Like I did not really like Ingrid Goes West all 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.160 that much, Like I've never seen it. You you know, 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.920 that has a lot of really redeeming elements to it. Um. 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:46.400 I think that, like, you know, more often than not, 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:50.600 the people writing about social media or writing about you know, 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:54.920 influence or culture whatever that means, are either people that 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:56.960 are do not participate in it, and so they're creating 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.960 these weird caricatures that are like not funny, or they're 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.320 two inside of it and they think it's way more 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.200 interesting than it actually is. And I think that, you know, 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.720 this kind of stuff is like best when it's the punchline, right, 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.880 And I think this is a really good segue to Bodies, Bodies, Bodies. 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.400 I don't know if you you watched that, right, Yeah, 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.320 I saw an early screening of it in June. I 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.600 finally saw it last week, and I felt, what did 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.760 you think? Well, you know, I felt like the commentary 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:28.080 on just like us as you know, gen Z millennial 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.840 kind of like influencer types were at times the movie's 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.880 strongest points and also some of the biggest joke flops. 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.200 And obviously Rachel Senate was the moment for that, and 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.480 she she was kind of the movie for me, was 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.160 the movie. I actually don't think the movie would have 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:47.680 worked without her. I totally agree. I thought every I 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:51.200 loved everything about the movie. I thought it was actually 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:55.640 really thrilling. I thought the twist at the end was 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.600 somehow I didn't I didn't even I mean like it 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.320 felt very obvious towards the end, but like at the 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.760 same time, I didn't predict it, did not see it coming, 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.840 did not see it coming, and um, but the I 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:09.600 think the reason I get to that is like, despite 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:11.480 the fact that Rachel, I mean, Rachel was the best 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.320 I think, the most fun to watch on screen, but 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:17.040 all the other performances obviously great, But like Rachel's character 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:22.520 specifically is like a kind of meta commentary on a 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.160 very specific person you'll meet at a party or at 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:26.920 a on a group vacation. Like I felt like I 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:28.800 knew her. I felt like I knew a lot of 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.720 the characters, um, and I felt felt like some of 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.240 the kind of you know jokes that make fun of 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.480 girls like her were very funny, and then some of 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.240 them were two on the nose. I also watched, speaking 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:45.040 of slashers, I finally watched that They Slash Them movie? 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.960 Have you have you heard it? For the Virgins? If 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:52.000 you don't know, there's this Peacock original that you know. 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:55.640 The title is they Them, but it's supposed to be 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:59.280 pronounced they slash them, or as Thomas Muster said it 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.760 should speaking. I was at the at the screening with 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:06.280 Thomas Patos and they pronounced it they slash them, and 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:12.679 which I think is much better. Um. Here's the thing again, 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:16.960 when movies really want to go in on like making 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:21.880 commentary about something, sometimes they forget to be a good movie. 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.520 And I think, you know, to compare something like Bodies, 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.760 Bodies Bodies, which is extremely queer, to something like They 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.639 Slash Them, which is also extremely queer, but like also 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:35.600 very very trans like it's a much more trans story. Um, 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.960 I think that you know, they Slash Them suffered under 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.160 the weight of the things that was trying to say 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:48.880 about gender discrimination justice. Um, but ultimately, you know, had 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:52.200 some thrills, had some chills, was not really scary unfortunately, 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:58.359 but um good jokes are really great. Um singing montage 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:00.800 moment that I won't spoil. Do you think I should 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.880 watch it? Would I like it? I think that if 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:07.439 it happens to be something that you're watching with people 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.080 or if you have absolutely nothing to do, it is 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.200 something that you would have a lot of thoughts on. Actually, 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.400 and THEO Germaine, the lead, who's a friend of mine, 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:19.760 is so hot and his THEO is really hot, so hot, 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.960 and his scene partner is Kevin Bacon pretty much the 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.520 whole movie. And I heard that the movie was originally 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:31.479 supposed to be more specifically about gay conversion therapy, and 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:34.000 then they were like, no, no, no, two, we got 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:38.400 to make a trans So is the trans stuff done well? 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:43.320 Like is it interesting? Does it like add to what 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.080 the movie is trying to say? And like the horror 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:49.480 of it, it adds and it also detracts. And this 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:51.800 is I'm really glad you asked that question because it's 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:55.240 kind of crystallizing everything that we're talking about, Like you 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.680 telling me that that like they made they were decided 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:00.639 to make it more trans is abundantly obvious to me. 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:04.199 It is very clearly. I think the trans issues in 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:07.760 the in the movie are really wedged in, and there 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:13.040 are moments of discrimination against trans people that are inconsistent. 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:16.280 So Kevin Bacon is really transphobic to one trans character 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.720 and then not transphobic to this other trans character, and 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:24.160 the logic of that doesn't really make sense. And then 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:29.040 also the experiences of gay and lesbian people on the 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.320 at the camp and trans people at the camp are 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:37.440 kind of conflated, and there's no nuance in discussing how 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:41.720 those kinds of oppressions are different, and yet it's trying 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:43.840 to say something about it. So like for me, it's like, 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:46.880 either you need to clarify what you're trying to say, 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:48.879 or just like don't even go into it, Like we 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:50.720 can just figure it out and you don't have to 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:55.240 really give us this ham fisted like commentary on trans 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:59.280 identity spoiler alert. At the end, when we find out 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:02.600 who the murderer is, there's this moment where you're kind 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:04.399 of like the murderer is kind of like on the 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:06.879 side of the queer people, and you're like, oh, this 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:09.960 murderer is dope, and like is like doing great things 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:13.240 for people, but then the cops come and arrest them, 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.879 and I was like this, how could this be like 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:20.920 a queer movie? And yet the climax is resolved with cops, 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:24.600 Like that's I know, that's like how all slashers end. 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.920 But like you couldnot like fabricate any sort of other 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:30.760 cinematic invention that would give us a resolution that does 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.480 not involve cops, Like, it's just a failure of the 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.800 imagination to me, um for that to be the ending. 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:54.040 Another movie I kind of frayed into this weekend was 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:56.639 good luck to you, Leo Grant. Have you have you 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:59.080 watched this or heard about it at all. I've heard 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.919 the premise of it, which is it's it's about like 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:06.480 an older woman who's never come and hires a sex worker. 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:11.199 That's literally the log line. And it's and it's like 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:12.920 a COVID movie. So it's just like the two of 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:15.600 them in a hotel room the whole time, exactly, And 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:18.160 and that is hard. You know, that's a very specific 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.960 movie to watch. It's like one set. It's basically a play. 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:25.120 I'm not gonna lie and that's fine. Um. Emma Thompson 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:29.800 does incredible incredible work, like she actually an interview has 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.840 described that, like the nudity scene that she does, and 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:35.159 it is the hardest thing she's ever had to do 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:38.240 as an actress, which is saying something because Emma Tompson, 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:41.080 because let's talk about let's talk about her listening to 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:45.560 Joni Mitchell and love actually, oh my god, the performance 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:47.879 of a life. Um, But it was really what was 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:50.399 really fascinating is I've been really excited about this movie. 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:52.640 I'd heard a lot of things, a lot of really 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.920 good things about it, and the movie did not really 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:59.320 deliver to me on a lot of what it was 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:01.920 trying to say about sex workers, because it was really 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:05.159 really trying to say something about sex workers. And what 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:08.480 was very interesting to me was that I watched it 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:11.240 the day after I rewatched Pretty Woman with a bunch 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:13.960 of my friends, one of my favorite movies, one of 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:15.960 the greatest movies ever written, and yet one of the 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:19.760 most offensive depictions of like sex work like we've ever seen, 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:23.639 but also that it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, and also, 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:26.440 like you have to think it was the late eighties 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:30.280 and just the fact that that movie was made where 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:35.040 the main character was a sex worker and like gets 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:38.439 a happy ending, and it's just I think it's a 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:41.399 pretty radical movie for its time, and it is one 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:45.400 of my favorite movies. And the first time I ever did, 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:50.159 I mean, you know, quote unquote drag publicly was on Halloween. 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:54.120 I was Julia robertson Pretty Woman my freshm my freshman 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:56.000 year of college. You have the wigs, you have that 0:22:56.080 --> 0:23:01.080 bob nasty? Is that nasty bob? They made her wear 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:04.240 that bob for so long, like way more of the 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:06.159 movie than she needed to wear that bob, and like 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:09.040 you forget, like the sex scenes in that movie are 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:13.000 actually so The scene on the reno, oh my god, 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:16.120 on the piano is so sexy, so well blocked, so 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:19.840