Speaker 1: Wow, Hey everybody, it's Tuesday, October twenty fourth, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Show. It's being your
Speaker 1: man named g Marcus Grant joined by Michael left Florio.
Speaker 1: We got a fun one today, folks. We're gonna play
Speaker 1: some real or mirage to hopefully get you some clarity
Speaker 1: with some players. Plus our pow Matt o'catta is gonna
Speaker 1: drop by with his top waiver wire targets for the week.
Speaker 1: But let's kick it off with some real or mirage.
Speaker 1: We got five players who had some big games on Sunday,
Speaker 1: whether or not they can keep this thing going. So
Speaker 1: Jamiir Gibbs, the Jamir Gibbs breakout games seem to have
Speaker 1: finally happened. One hundred and twenty six total yards, nine catches,
Speaker 1: a touchdown, twenty seven point six points. But the caveat
Speaker 1: is it came at a blowout with a lot of
Speaker 1: garbage time in this one, So real or mirage.
Speaker 2: I think the fantasy output is kind of a mirage.
Speaker 2: She's never gonna get this opportunity as once David Montgomery
Speaker 2: is back, but the talent is very real, and that's
Speaker 2: the thing, Like I know, people were saying, like, oh,
Speaker 2: it all came in the second half. That's not his fault.
Speaker 2: It was Jared Goff's fault for putting them behind so much.
Speaker 2: He's still averaged over six yards per carry, he still
Speaker 2: showed his burst at times, he still found the end zone,
Speaker 2: and was heavily involved in the passing attack, all things
Speaker 2: that we said that this kid possesses coming into this
Speaker 2: game and the season. I very much so believe in
Speaker 2: his talent, but this could easily be his best game
Speaker 2: of the year once because Monty's gonna eat once he
Speaker 2: comes back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just there are so many things about this
Speaker 1: that I can't completely just buy into because of the
Speaker 1: garbage time he got. Yet I think fifteen of his
Speaker 1: twenty one touches came in the third and fourth quarter
Speaker 1: when the Lions were in ketchup mode. I mean they
Speaker 1: were getting shut out, getting blown out at half. So
Speaker 1: that makes me a little bit nervous. And as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: David Montgomery's going to be back and he's going to
Speaker 1: go back to that secondary role in the offense once
Speaker 1: that happened. So this was great and hopefully you took
Speaker 1: advantage of it. It didn't happen the way we thought
Speaker 1: it was gonna happen, but it happened nonetheless, So let's
Speaker 1: just kind of enjoy it for what it is. Kareem
Speaker 1: Hunt only thirty one rushing yards, but he did have
Speaker 1: a pair of touchdowns fifteen fantasy points. Jerome Ford was
Speaker 1: banged up left the game. I believe in a walking boot.
Speaker 1: So what we saw at Kareem Hunt real or mirage,
Speaker 1: which is a weird question to asking about somebody who
Speaker 1: had thirty yards on the ground.
Speaker 2: I think it's real. I think that this is his
Speaker 2: role as long as Jerome Ford is healthy, which we
Speaker 2: have to monitor. He is going to be the secondary back,
Speaker 2: but he's going to have a role. He's been getting
Speaker 2: a lot of the touches in the red zone. But
Speaker 2: if Jerome Ford is out, I think Kareem Hunt becomes
Speaker 2: someone that we could start plugging in our lineups. His
Speaker 2: upcoming schedule, he gets the Seahawks, the Cardinals and the
Speaker 2: Ravens is tough, then the Steelers and Broncos four pretty
Speaker 2: good matchups in five weeks. So we got to obviously
Speaker 2: monitor that Jerome Ford injury. But Hunt is someone that
Speaker 2: I want on my fantasy roster fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely want Hunt. I liked that he's getting
Speaker 1: the goal line work and I think that helps. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it's real ish and if Jerome Ford
Speaker 1: is out then then it definitely takes a big turn
Speaker 1: in the positive for him. Portland Sutton six catches, seventy
Speaker 1: six yards and a touchdown. He seems to be the
Speaker 1: Broncos receiver of record. Is what we saw against the Packers.
Speaker 1: Real mirage. I'm gonna say it's a mirage. It was
Speaker 1: the second most yards he had, but he has scored
Speaker 1: five touchdowns now and he's like a safe floor, a
Speaker 1: little bit higher ceiling.
Speaker 2: Michael Thomas is what I would call for Courtland's son.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny because he's a top twenty
Speaker 1: wide receiver and I think a lot of it is
Speaker 1: the touchdowns because the yardage numbers are not great out
Speaker 1: of him. So I'm gonna say this was real ish again,
Speaker 1: sort of like Kareem Hunt. But I think he's about
Speaker 1: at the ceiling right there. Gardner Minshew twenty seven fantasy points,
Speaker 1: three hundred and five passing yards, two touchdowns, also had
Speaker 1: two rushing touchdowns. Real mirage. Mirage, like we know.
Speaker 2: I think this was a huge trap game for the Browns,
Speaker 2: Like they came and feeling themselves too much after stopping
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers and thought, oh we could get
Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew. No problem. We know Minshew can when he's hot,
Speaker 2: can have big games like this, We've seen it before.
Speaker 2: Then he comes back and he's Gardner Minshew. He's so
Speaker 2: up and down. He's gonna average like sixteen wins per game.
Speaker 2: He's a good QB two to have an your roster.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is one hundred percent mirage. I'm not
Speaker 2: buying it. The two rushing touchdowns, like that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: It's weird that they scored that many points against the Browns.
Speaker 2: Didn't expect that. But this is that for real, for
Speaker 2: real Jackson Smith and Jigba. There was no DK Metcalf
Speaker 2: and JSN four for sixty one and a touchdown. Although
Speaker 2: he's also sharing with Jake Bobo. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: Jake Bobo on my timeline on Sunday. Really mirage for
Speaker 2: JSN real ish, I believe in the talent. I liked
Speaker 2: that they're getting three wide receivers on the field more
Speaker 2: often than they were earlier in this season, but when
Speaker 2: DK's back, we still know that DK and lock into
Speaker 2: the top two targets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of why I think it's he said,
Speaker 1: real ish mirage ish. So we're we're sort of meeting
Speaker 1: in the middle on this one. Because it was nice
Speaker 1: he got the opportunity. We know the talent is there.
Speaker 1: I don't know that the opportunity is going to be
Speaker 1: there when DK Metcalf is healthy. And again Jake Bobo
Speaker 1: Man just kind of hanging out into rearview mirror making
Speaker 1: plays there, also hanging out and getting ready to make
Speaker 1: some plays for us. Matt o'cotta, he's gonna come by
Speaker 1: and talk some waiver stuff after the break here on
Speaker 1: the NFL Fantasy Football Show, Let's get some of the
Speaker 1: top waiver wire targets. Our guy Matt o'cott has put
Speaker 1: together his list for the week. Quarterback Gardner, Minshew Beowolf himself,
Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter, Sam Howell, Tyson Bagent, he of the Chess Tattoo,
Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray who's back practicing again. All should be
Speaker 1: on your waiver wire watch list. At running back deep list,
Speaker 1: Chewba Hubbard, the Rams duo of Darryl Henderson and Royce Freeman.
Speaker 1: Zach Evans was a no show last week. Jalen Warren
Speaker 1: for the Steels, Ami de Murcatto, who I guess is
Speaker 1: back in being a thing again in Arizona. Kareem Hunt
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, especially if Jerome Ford miss his time. You
Speaker 1: got the duel of Deontay Foreman and Rashawn Johnson for
Speaker 1: the Bears. Gus Edwards, Tyler al Jeer, who got a
Speaker 1: lot of work on Sunday with Jean Robinson's mysterious illness.
Speaker 1: Andy Ezekiel Elliott back in our fantasy lives in New England.
Speaker 1: Now some pass catchers for you. Deontay Johnson, who's uh,
Speaker 1: maybe not out there, but at least worth taking a
Speaker 1: look in case somebody got impatient and dropped him. Rashid Rice,
Speaker 1: who we talked about earlier, Jackson Smith and Jig but
Speaker 1: Josh Downs who is bawling right now. Kendrick Bourne, who's
Speaker 1: got a couple of nice games for the Patriots. Jalen
Speaker 1: Hyatt's starting to get more work for Big Blue, Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham Junior, and then some tight ends Dalton Kincaid, Logan
Speaker 1: Thomas and Yes Taysom Hill is a thing again in
Speaker 1: New Orleans. So with that, let's welcome in our friend
Speaker 1: Matt Okata. You can check out his weekly Waiver Wire
Speaker 1: article at NFL dot com slash waiver Wire, and so, Matt,
Speaker 1: after a couple of weeks of buys, no team's on
Speaker 1: a buy in week eight. I don't understand how scheduling works.
Speaker 1: That is way above my pay grade. But I would
Speaker 1: think that I could do it a little bit more
Speaker 1: evenly than this.
Speaker 3: That's just me.
Speaker 1: But let's talk about some of these guys. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about Deontay Johnson specifically. You mentioned it in the column.
Speaker 1: He's not really going to be in a lot of
Speaker 1: leagues he shouldn't be, but it's one of those things where, hey, man,
Speaker 1: maybe just scour just in case something weird happens and
Speaker 1: he's out there.
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, he's been now so long that he's available
Speaker 3: in almost the third of NFL dot Com league. So
Speaker 3: just in the off chance that yours is one of them,
Speaker 3: everybody should give a quick glance see if he's there,
Speaker 3: because if he is, he must be added. As evidence
Speaker 3: by his game on Sunday, five catches seventy nine yards
Speaker 3: in his first game back. He is a great PPR
Speaker 3: wide receiver likely to be somewhere in the wide receiver two,
Speaker 3: wide receiver three range rest of season.
Speaker 2: And then a quarterback that you have on your list
Speaker 2: is Desmond Ritter. And I know it's a good matchup
Speaker 2: against the Tennessee Titans, but Desmond Ridder's on the road.
Speaker 2: So which narrative wins out this week?
Speaker 3: Good question? Listen. I know we're kind of all supposed
Speaker 3: to hate Desen Ridder for what he's done to Drake
Speaker 3: Lennon and Kyle Pitts, except that London and Pits have
Speaker 3: actually been much better recently and it's been directly tied
Speaker 3: to improvement from Ritter. Will he be able to conquer
Speaker 3: the road narrative? We'll see. But over the first four
Speaker 3: weeks of the season in total, he averaged one hundred
Speaker 3: and eighty six passing yards per game, and over the
Speaker 3: last three he's averaged two hundred and ninety five, so
Speaker 3: he has found something he has clicked with his pass catchers.
Speaker 3: He is starting to play some competent quarterback, and on
Speaker 3: Sunday he added his third rushing touchdown of the season,
Speaker 3: along with thirty eight yards on the ground. Always a
Speaker 3: threat to do that. Each of the last two games,
Speaker 3: including this one in Week seven, was marred by a
Speaker 3: trio of turnovers, but I don't think we should expect
Speaker 3: that every week. And one of his fumbles on Sunday
Speaker 3: was inches from being a second rushing touchdown and instead
Speaker 3: became one of those unbelievably stupid touchbacks that are the
Speaker 3: bane of fantasy players existence. And yeah you mentioned it,
Speaker 3: Titans next week after that, Vikings and Cardinals. So it's
Speaker 3: a great stretch of matchups. I think he's streamable in
Speaker 3: all of them.
Speaker 1: So Desmond Ritter back in our fantasy lives, Darryl Henderson
Speaker 1: back in our fantasy lives as well. We spent and
Speaker 1: I guess Royce Freeman for that matter too. We spent
Speaker 1: all last week like, hey, everybody will get Zach Evans
Speaker 1: Zach Emerson. I played the same number of snaps this week.
Speaker 1: I will say the shoutout to our on Lakwan Jones,
Speaker 1: who was ahead of the curb and told people to
Speaker 1: go get Darryl Henderson. But for those who didn't listen,
Speaker 1: I guess, Matt, they should go get Darryl Henderson.
Speaker 3: Huh Yeah. I think the biggest thing here is that
Speaker 3: Daryl Hunderson is back in Sean mcvay's life, and he
Speaker 3: likes that he went out and got him for a
Speaker 3: very particular reason, which is he knows Darryl Henderson. He's
Speaker 3: been his starter before, and Henderson knows this offense, and
Speaker 3: he gave us the heads up going into Sunday. Henderson
Speaker 3: and Freeman. It was kind of late and after Waivers ran,
Speaker 3: but those two guys are going to lead the backfield,
Speaker 3: and sure enough they were pretty evenly split and Evans
Speaker 3: got literally no offensive snaps, and unlike with Imari Demarcado,
Speaker 3: who you saw pop back up onto that waiver wireless,
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any path for Evans to ascend
Speaker 3: into the useful category of fantasy rbs in this room.
Speaker 3: I think Henderson is Sean mcvay's bestie from seasons pass,
Speaker 3: who he brought in to be this guy. He had
Speaker 3: fifty eight percent of the snaps, which was the most
Speaker 3: nineteen touches, was the most scored the goal line touchdown.
Speaker 3: If anything, I expect Henderson to take more complete control
Speaker 3: of this backfield as things progress. Remember this performance was
Speaker 3: his first game basically off the couch, so I still
Speaker 3: do like adding Royce Freeman as the secondary guy, the
Speaker 3: one bee maybe, but I think Henderson probably pulls away
Speaker 3: even a little bit more than he was in this
Speaker 3: past Sunday's game.
Speaker 2: I have a number of teams where I added Henderson,
Speaker 2: and I'm feeling great about that right now. I also
Speaker 2: have a number of teams where I have Jalen Warren,
Speaker 2: and he scored a touchdown yesterday, but for the first
Speaker 2: time all year, Naji Harris scored more Fantasy points than
Speaker 2: he did. But I like the matchup for Warren next week.
Speaker 2: How are you feeling about him?
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, we're gonna call the Naji scoring more than
Speaker 3: Warren finally thing a flute and not the side of
Speaker 3: things to come. And that's just that's what baffles me
Speaker 3: about the fact that Warren is still this available. He
Speaker 3: has consistently been the better Fantasy back, and I understand
Speaker 3: he is still technically kind of the RB two on
Speaker 3: that team, which might make him a little bit less attractive,
Speaker 3: But to your point, he's been consistent. He scored double
Speaker 3: digit Fantasy points in three straight and four of his
Speaker 3: last five as the backup. I think this has to end.
Speaker 3: We need to get him on our rosters. That's that
Speaker 3: already is flexworthy production on those capped touches. But if
Speaker 3: anything ever happens to Naugy, or if the Steelers finally recognize, oh,
Speaker 3: this guy might actually be the better and more efficient
Speaker 3: running back, We'll use Naugy when we need to in
Speaker 3: some short yard situations, but less actually feature this guy.
Speaker 3: He becomes a consistent RB two in fantasy. Warren is
Speaker 3: the kind of guy who, down the stretch through the
Speaker 3: fantasy playoffs could end up helping win you championships. I
Speaker 3: just have this weird, like little tiny feeling that that's
Speaker 3: gonna happen. But he's been productive enough that he should
Speaker 3: be on your roster regardless and in your lineup plenty.
Speaker 1: Often it feels like we've all recognized that Warren is
Speaker 1: the better back, but Matt Canada seems to be the
Speaker 1: last one to know.
Speaker 3: And that's really too surprising.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, seems to be a theme there in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: Also a theme Josh downs, bawling out. And I know
Speaker 1: you've been on Josh downs for weeks. We've talked about
Speaker 1: Josh downs for a number of weeks. It seems like
Speaker 1: a lot of people you know, at least in the
Speaker 1: fantasy community have realized what Josh Downs is doing. I
Speaker 1: guess this is our plea that fantasy managers out there
Speaker 1: understand what Josh Downs is doing now right.
Speaker 3: It absolutely is. We talked about him on this show
Speaker 3: two weeks ago, and then the only reason we didn't
Speaker 3: talk about him last week is that we had just
Speaker 3: talked about him the week prior. And we can only
Speaker 3: hit you on the head so many times. He's still
Speaker 3: available in seventy seven percent of leagues, and I do
Speaker 3: not understand why. Even before Sunday, which was his best
Speaker 3: game of the year, he had scored forty eight Fantasy
Speaker 3: points over the prior month, which was good for wide
Speaker 3: receiver twenty five over that span. That means startable in
Speaker 3: almost every league in your flex spot or in your
Speaker 3: wide receiver two spot. Then in Week seven against the
Speaker 3: Browns defense, no less five catches, one hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: five yards and a touchdown on six targets, all of
Speaker 3: which led the team. He's a dynamic playmaker. He doesn't
Speaker 3: even need a ton of targets to make an impact
Speaker 3: and produce for fantasy. But now that he's consistently flashed
Speaker 3: for Indy, he is starting to get those targets as well.
Speaker 3: Once again, I think he's the type of player who
Speaker 3: could win you some crucial weeks down the stretch. He's
Speaker 3: already on the edge of being in every week flex consideration,
Speaker 3: and he still has unrealized ceiling down the stretch.
Speaker 2: Speaking of people that like, can we just go out
Speaker 2: and pick him up? Already Josh Palmer. Every week now
Speaker 2: since Williams has gone down, he pretty much leads the
Speaker 2: team in receiving yards and every week I'm like, he
Speaker 2: has to be way too picked up to be included
Speaker 2: on the waiver list, and the note here he is
Speaker 2: each and every week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the theme of this waiver week is
Speaker 3: have why are these guys still available? Can we please
Speaker 3: stop this so that we can move on to some
Speaker 3: fresher guys. One hundred and thirty three yards and eighteen
Speaker 3: point three fan points on Sunday, But honestly, don't those
Speaker 3: aren't even the whole story. That production doesn't even as
Speaker 3: matter as much to me as how good Palmer looks
Speaker 3: on tape. He just looks amazing. He's playing excellent football.
Speaker 3: He's been an extremely reliable and productive target for Justin Herbert.
Speaker 3: Ever since Mike Williams went down with that season ending injury,
Speaker 3: and given the fact that Austin Eckler seems a little
Speaker 3: banged up right now or is not getting a full
Speaker 3: compliment of his typical opportunity, Palmer is just straight up
Speaker 3: the number two weapon in this offense right now. He
Speaker 3: has double digit Fantasy points in four straight games. He's
Speaker 3: somehow still available in eighty percent of NFL dot Com leagues.
Speaker 3: That number is lower elsewhere. This is utter nonsense. It's
Speaker 3: a fear of Quinton Johnston ascension. Take that fear and
Speaker 3: toss it out of the window, because it is not
Speaker 3: happening at least right now. Palmer is firmly entrenched as
Speaker 3: a significant and productive piece of this offense, which is
Speaker 3: an offense you want pieces in. He should be at
Speaker 3: in every league and started, honestly in the vast majority
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 1: Ye I was gonna say, I hope it's not Quentin
Speaker 1: Johnston fear that's keeping people away from Josh Palmer, because
Speaker 1: that is a completely unfounded concern right now in this offense,
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne starting to play well, and now I know
Speaker 1: there was some talks to you have done some research
Speaker 1: that I guess Kendrick Bourne is better when there's no
Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster. Juju was out again this week, but
Speaker 1: at this point I feel like Kendrick Bourne's done enough
Speaker 1: on his own in this offense. He has a legitimate,
Speaker 1: bonified role in a connection with Mac Jones.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that really is the key is the
Speaker 3: Patriots need to recognize that if Juju's out there, it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter he's not playing well. You need to continue
Speaker 3: using Born. Last week, I said Bourne had his first
Speaker 3: good game since Week one. The Patriots had their best
Speaker 3: looking with air quotes offensive performance since week one. And
Speaker 3: I made that connection and I said, maybe the coach
Speaker 3: Bills need to get more and more involved and then
Speaker 3: they will actually have a functional offense and lo and
Speaker 3: behold team high seven targets in massive upset over the Bills,
Speaker 3: Bourne converted them to six catches for sixty three yards
Speaker 3: and a touchdown, and the Patriots scored a season high
Speaker 3: twenty nine points. I do not think it's a coincidence.
Speaker 3: And in this wide receiver room that is admittedly horrible,
Speaker 3: maybe the worst in the league, Bourne seems like the
Speaker 3: clear cut best option to me. I think to us
Speaker 3: to much of the fantasy sphere. I think that the
Speaker 3: Patriots coaching staff is going to recognize that. And if
Speaker 3: you weren't a more high flying offense, maybe we consider
Speaker 3: him a wide receiver two if he's a top of
Speaker 3: their depth chart. But even in this offense with Mac
Speaker 3: Jones at the helm, I think he's in every week
Speaker 3: flex consideration and can have some boom weeks for you
Speaker 3: through the playoff run.
Speaker 2: And we are always looking for tight end help and
Speaker 2: it looks like we had a breakout in Dalton Kincaid.
Speaker 2: I know you're gonna talk plenty about all the stats
Speaker 2: and everything. There was also the Bill's biggest play of
Speaker 2: the game, a fourth down conversion was a design play
Speaker 2: for Dalton Kincaid, which I don't think will stay out
Speaker 2: stand out in the box score, but goes a long
Speaker 2: way for his fantasy value.
Speaker 3: Absolutely crucial to point out Florio great spot fourth and
Speaker 3: two from the eight yard line. Late in the game,
Speaker 3: they converted on a pass to Kinkaid which was entirely
Speaker 3: designed to go to him, and they scored the go
Speaker 3: ahead touchdown three plays later. I believe now they didn't
Speaker 3: win the game because Theatrids drove down, but it showed
Speaker 3: there is trust in kink that is growing. The usage
Speaker 3: we saw grow and the talent has been on display
Speaker 3: and we saw it again this week. Remember the Bills
Speaker 3: traded up to get this guy in the first round,
Speaker 3: and I have thought since the draft I think he
Speaker 3: is the closest thing too. I won't saye he is,
Speaker 3: but he is the closest thing to a next Travis
Speaker 3: Kelcey that we've had in recent years at this position.
Speaker 3: I liked him better than Sam Laporta and we've seen
Speaker 3: what he has done. Eight catches on eight targets. Can
Speaker 3: you say reliable this past week for seventy five yards?
Speaker 3: So if this was the true breakout game over the
Speaker 3: rest of the season, he the startable fantasy sid end.
Speaker 3: If this was a blip of ooh, that's what Kinkaid
Speaker 3: can be, and we still need to wait a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks, I wouldn't be surprised. Again, he's a rookie
Speaker 3: tight end. We have to be careful of these kinds
Speaker 3: of things, but he must be on your roster in
Speaker 3: the opportunity or the case that that is what we
Speaker 3: see rest of season. And I do believe that if
Speaker 3: he leap frogs Knox Dawson Knox permanently, which he certainly
Speaker 3: did this past week. He is going to be a
Speaker 3: fantasy asset down the stretch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, looking forward to that because I love Dalton kin Kaid.
Speaker 1: Hopefully the opportunity comes. That's Matt Ocotta. You can check
Speaker 1: him out at Twitter at Matt o'cotta. I also check
Speaker 1: out the article at nfl dot com Waiver Wire. Matthew,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 3: We'll talk to you.
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