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Speaker 1: Wow, Hey everybody, it's Tuesday, October twenty fourth, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Show. It's being your

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Speaker 1: man named g Marcus Grant joined by Michael left Florio.

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Speaker 1: We got a fun one today, folks. We're gonna play

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Speaker 1: some real or mirage to hopefully get you some clarity

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Speaker 1: with some players. Plus our pow Matt o'catta is gonna

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Speaker 1: drop by with his top waiver wire targets for the week.

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Speaker 1: But let's kick it off with some real or mirage.

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Speaker 1: We got five players who had some big games on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: whether or not they can keep this thing going. So

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Speaker 1: Jamiir Gibbs, the Jamir Gibbs breakout games seem to have

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Speaker 1: finally happened. One hundred and twenty six total yards, nine catches,

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Speaker 1: a touchdown, twenty seven point six points. But the caveat

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Speaker 1: is it came at a blowout with a lot of

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Speaker 1: garbage time in this one, So real or mirage.

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Speaker 2: I think the fantasy output is kind of a mirage.

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Speaker 2: She's never gonna get this opportunity as once David Montgomery

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Speaker 2: is back, but the talent is very real, and that's

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Speaker 2: the thing, Like I know, people were saying, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: it all came in the second half. That's not his fault.

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Speaker 2: It was Jared Goff's fault for putting them behind so much.

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Speaker 2: He's still averaged over six yards per carry, he still

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Speaker 2: showed his burst at times, he still found the end zone,

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Speaker 2: and was heavily involved in the passing attack, all things

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Speaker 2: that we said that this kid possesses coming into this

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Speaker 2: game and the season. I very much so believe in

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Speaker 2: his talent, but this could easily be his best game

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Speaker 2: of the year once because Monty's gonna eat once he

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Speaker 2: comes back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just there are so many things about this

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Speaker 1: garbage time he got. Yet I think fifteen of his

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Speaker 1: twenty one touches came in the third and fourth quarter

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Speaker 1: when the Lions were in ketchup mode. I mean they

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Speaker 1: were getting shut out, getting blown out at half. So

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Speaker 1: that makes me a little bit nervous. And as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: David Montgomery's going to be back and he's going to

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Speaker 1: go back to that secondary role in the offense once

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Speaker 1: that happened. So this was great and hopefully you took

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Speaker 1: advantage of it. It didn't happen the way we thought

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Speaker 1: it was gonna happen, but it happened nonetheless, So let's

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Speaker 1: just kind of enjoy it for what it is. Kareem

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Speaker 1: Hunt only thirty one rushing yards, but he did have

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Speaker 1: a pair of touchdowns fifteen fantasy points. Jerome Ford was

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Speaker 1: banged up left the game. I believe in a walking boot.

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Speaker 1: So what we saw at Kareem Hunt real or mirage,

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Speaker 1: which is a weird question to asking about somebody who

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Speaker 2: I think it's real. I think that this is his

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Speaker 2: role as long as Jerome Ford is healthy, which we

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Speaker 2: have to monitor. He is going to be the secondary back,

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Speaker 2: but he's going to have a role. He's been getting

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Speaker 2: a lot of the touches in the red zone. But

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Speaker 2: if Jerome Ford is out, I think Kareem Hunt becomes

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Speaker 2: someone that we could start plugging in our lineups. His

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Speaker 2: upcoming schedule, he gets the Seahawks, the Cardinals and the

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Speaker 2: Ravens is tough, then the Steelers and Broncos four pretty

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Speaker 2: good matchups in five weeks. So we got to obviously

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Speaker 2: monitor that Jerome Ford injury. But Hunt is someone that

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Speaker 2: I want on my fantasy roster fight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely want Hunt. I liked that he's getting

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Speaker 1: the goal line work and I think that helps. So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it's real ish and if Jerome Ford

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Speaker 1: in the positive for him. Portland Sutton six catches, seventy

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Speaker 1: Broncos receiver of record. Is what we saw against the Packers.

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Speaker 1: Real mirage. I'm gonna say it's a mirage. It was

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Speaker 2: Michael Thomas is what I would call for Courtland's son.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny because he's a top twenty

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Speaker 1: sort of like Kareem Hunt. But I think he's about

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Speaker 1: at the ceiling right there. Gardner Minshew twenty seven fantasy points,

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Speaker 2: I think this was a huge trap game for the Browns,

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Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew. No problem. We know Minshew can when he's hot,

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Speaker 2: can have big games like this, We've seen it before.

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Speaker 2: Then he comes back and he's Gardner Minshew. He's so

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Speaker 2: He's a good QB two to have an your roster.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, this is one hundred percent mirage. I'm not

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Speaker 2: It's weird that they scored that many points against the Browns.

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Speaker 2: Didn't expect that. But this is that for real, for

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Speaker 2: Jake Bobo on my timeline on Sunday. Really mirage for

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Speaker 2: JSN real ish, I believe in the talent. I liked

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Speaker 2: that they're getting three wide receivers on the field more

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of why I think it's he said,

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Speaker 1: real ish mirage ish. So we're we're sort of meeting

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Speaker 1: he got the opportunity. We know the talent is there.

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Speaker 1: Man just kind of hanging out into rearview mirror making

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Speaker 1: some plays for us. Matt o'cotta, he's gonna come by

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Speaker 1: and talk some waiver stuff after the break here on

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Speaker 1: the NFL Fantasy Football Show, Let's get some of the

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Speaker 1: top waiver wire targets. Our guy Matt o'cott has put

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Speaker 1: together his list for the week. Quarterback Gardner, Minshew Beowolf himself,

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Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter, Sam Howell, Tyson Bagent, he of the Chess Tattoo,

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Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray who's back practicing again. All should be

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Speaker 1: on your waiver wire watch list. At running back deep list,

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Speaker 1: Chewba Hubbard, the Rams duo of Darryl Henderson and Royce Freeman.

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Speaker 1: Zach Evans was a no show last week. Jalen Warren

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Speaker 1: back in being a thing again in Arizona. Kareem Hunt

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Speaker 1: got the duel of Deontay Foreman and Rashawn Johnson for

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Speaker 1: the Bears. Gus Edwards, Tyler al Jeer, who got a

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Speaker 1: lot of work on Sunday with Jean Robinson's mysterious illness.

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Speaker 1: Andy Ezekiel Elliott back in our fantasy lives in New England.

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Speaker 1: Now some pass catchers for you. Deontay Johnson, who's uh,

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Speaker 1: who we talked about earlier, Jackson Smith and Jig but

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Speaker 1: Josh Downs who is bawling right now. Kendrick Bourne, who's

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Speaker 1: got a couple of nice games for the Patriots. Jalen

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Speaker 1: New Orleans. So with that, let's welcome in our friend

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Speaker 1: Matt Okata. You can check out his weekly Waiver Wire

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Speaker 1: article at NFL dot com slash waiver Wire, and so, Matt,

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Speaker 1: after a couple of weeks of buys, no team's on

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Speaker 1: a buy in week eight. I don't understand how scheduling works.

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Speaker 1: That is way above my pay grade. But I would

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Speaker 1: think that I could do it a little bit more

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Speaker 3: That's just me.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about some of these guys. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: about Deontay Johnson specifically. You mentioned it in the column.

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Speaker 1: He's not really going to be in a lot of

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Speaker 1: leagues he shouldn't be, but it's one of those things where, hey, man,

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Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, he's been now so long that he's available

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Speaker 3: in almost the third of NFL dot Com league. So

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Speaker 3: just in the off chance that yours is one of them,

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Speaker 3: everybody should give a quick glance see if he's there,

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Speaker 3: because if he is, he must be added. As evidence

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Speaker 3: by his game on Sunday, five catches seventy nine yards

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Speaker 2: And then a quarterback that you have on your list

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Speaker 2: is Desmond Ritter. And I know it's a good matchup

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Speaker 2: against the Tennessee Titans, but Desmond Ridder's on the road.

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Speaker 2: So which narrative wins out this week?

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Speaker 3: Good question? Listen. I know we're kind of all supposed

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Speaker 3: to hate Desen Ridder for what he's done to Drake

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Speaker 3: Lennon and Kyle Pitts, except that London and Pits have

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Speaker 3: actually been much better recently and it's been directly tied

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Speaker 3: to improvement from Ritter. Will he be able to conquer

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Speaker 3: the road narrative? We'll see. But over the first four

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Speaker 3: weeks of the season in total, he averaged one hundred

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Speaker 3: last three he's averaged two hundred and ninety five, so

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Speaker 3: he has found something he has clicked with his pass catchers.

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Speaker 3: He is starting to play some competent quarterback, and on

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Speaker 3: Sunday he added his third rushing touchdown of the season,

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Speaker 3: along with thirty eight yards on the ground. Always a

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Speaker 3: threat to do that. Each of the last two games,

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Speaker 3: including this one in Week seven, was marred by a

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Speaker 3: trio of turnovers, but I don't think we should expect

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Speaker 3: that every week. And one of his fumbles on Sunday

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Speaker 3: became one of those unbelievably stupid touchbacks that are the

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Speaker 3: bane of fantasy players existence. And yeah you mentioned it,

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Speaker 3: Titans next week after that, Vikings and Cardinals. So it's

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Speaker 3: a great stretch of matchups. I think he's streamable in

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Speaker 1: So Desmond Ritter back in our fantasy lives, Darryl Henderson

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Speaker 1: back in our fantasy lives as well. We spent and

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Speaker 1: I guess Royce Freeman for that matter too. We spent

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Speaker 1: all last week like, hey, everybody will get Zach Evans

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Speaker 1: Zach Emerson. I played the same number of snaps this week.

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Speaker 1: I will say the shoutout to our on Lakwan Jones,

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Speaker 1: who was ahead of the curb and told people to

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Speaker 1: go get Darryl Henderson. But for those who didn't listen,

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Speaker 1: I guess, Matt, they should go get Darryl Henderson.

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Speaker 3: Huh Yeah. I think the biggest thing here is that

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Speaker 3: Daryl Hunderson is back in Sean mcvay's life, and he

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Speaker 3: very particular reason, which is he knows Darryl Henderson. He's

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Speaker 3: been his starter before, and Henderson knows this offense, and

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Speaker 3: he gave us the heads up going into Sunday. Henderson

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Speaker 3: and Freeman. It was kind of late and after Waivers ran,

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Speaker 3: but those two guys are going to lead the backfield,

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Speaker 3: and sure enough they were pretty evenly split and Evans

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Speaker 3: got literally no offensive snaps, and unlike with Imari Demarcado,

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Speaker 3: who you saw pop back up onto that waiver wireless,

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's any path for Evans to ascend

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Speaker 3: into the useful category of fantasy rbs in this room.

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Speaker 3: I think Henderson is Sean mcvay's bestie from seasons pass,

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Speaker 3: who he brought in to be this guy. He had

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Speaker 3: fifty eight percent of the snaps, which was the most

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Speaker 3: nineteen touches, was the most scored the goal line touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Often it feels like we've all recognized that Warren is

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Speaker 3: It absolutely is. We talked about him on this show

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Speaker 3: not understand why. Even before Sunday, which was his best

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Speaker 2: Speaking of people that like, can we just go out

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the theme of this waiver week is

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Speaker 3: He's been an extremely reliable and productive target for Justin Herbert.

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Speaker 3: That number is lower elsewhere. This is utter nonsense. It's

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Speaker 3: Bourne converted them to six catches for sixty three yards

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Speaker 3: him a wide receiver two if he's a top of

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Speaker 2: And we are always looking for tight end help and

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Speaker 2: it looks like we had a breakout in Dalton Kincaid.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely crucial to point out Florio great spot fourth and

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Speaker 3: there is trust in kink that is growing. The usage

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Speaker 3: I liked him better than Sam Laporta and we've seen

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Speaker 3: If this was a blip of ooh, that's what Kinkaid

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Speaker 1: Yeah, looking forward to that because I love Dalton kin Kaid.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully the opportunity comes. That's Matt Ocotta. You can check

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