1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Don't listening to Fox Sports. 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: Could you use a pro Bowl wide receiver? We will 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: dive into that. Good morning. Hope your Saturday's going fantastic. 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: We are broadcasting live from the tirec dot com studios. 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: Tire rack dot com will help get you there an 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: unmatched selection, fast free shipping, free road hazard protection, and 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: over ten thousand recommended installers. Tirack dot com the way 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 2: tire buying should be big NFL news. DeAndre Hopkins, the 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: stud wide receiver formally of the Arizona Cardinals. He is 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: on the open market over here. So the Cardinals release 11 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 2: this guy? I always love this team. Saves about eight 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: million dollars in cap space, but he'll count just under 13 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: twenty three million dollars against the Cardinals cap this season. 14 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: But they release him. Can you say tank? So the 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals positioning him themselves to be at the top 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: of the draft. Why else release stud wide receiver? But 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: now that DeAndre Hopkins is on the open market, he's 18 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 2: a five time pro bowler who comes in and scoops 19 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 2: him up. Swoops in scoops. We got swoops and scoops. 20 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: We had all kinds of stuff going on. We all 21 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 2: start with you rich and good morning, gentlemen. Hope everything 22 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 2: is fine. 23 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,559 Speaker 3: In your world? Oh, good morning. 24 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 25 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 5: I'm this is one of those things where the story 26 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 5: is almost about what he left behind instead of what 27 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 5: he's heading towards, because some of the things that he 28 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 5: said on the im Athlete podcast about what he's looking 29 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 5: for in his next team just gives you a view 30 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 5: into what he thinks of his last team, or maybe 31 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 5: his last two teams. But he's looking for a stable 32 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 5: front office, and he's looking for a quarterback who loves 33 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 5: the game. Yeah, he didn't say a quarterback with a 34 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 5: great arm. He didn't say a quarterback who's talented. He 35 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 5: didn't say a quarterback who understands how to read defenses 36 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 5: and knows the offensive playbook. 37 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 3: Like the back of his hand. He said a quarterback 38 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 3: that loves the game. 39 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 5: I mean, if that isn't coming after Kyler Murray, I 40 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 5: don't know what is, because that, to me, has been 41 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 5: the one thing since Kyler has entered the league. 42 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 3: Does he love it? Does he love it? 43 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,839 Speaker 5: Because remember when he was taking interviews and I'm talking 44 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 5: about with you know, media dudes like us, you know, 45 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 5: just the the jocks who have microphones. Everybody was like 46 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 5: asking the questions about baseball and asking him how much 47 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 5: he's interested in football, and he seemed aloof And then 48 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 5: when the general managers and the team's coaches got their 49 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 5: hands on him during the combine and things, you know, 50 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 5: those were the questions that were being fired over at 51 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 5: Kyler Murray just to make sure. 52 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: Now he was still taken. 53 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 5: At the top of the draft, but it's still to 54 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 5: This is a question we don't have a firm answer to. 55 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 5: Does he love it? Does he love it as much 56 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 5: as Aaron Rodgers? Does he love it as much as 57 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 5: Tom Brady? Does he love it as much as Peyton Manning? 58 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 5: Is he talented? 59 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 60 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,119 Speaker 3: Does he have a strong arm, yeah? Can he read defenses? 61 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 3: I don't know. 62 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 5: But he can play in the NFL we know that. 63 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 5: Does he know his offensive playbook? I don't know, but 64 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 5: he can play in the NFL We've seen that. But 65 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 5: does he love it? That's what DeAndre Hopkins is looking at. 66 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 5: And to me, that's the reason why the Cardinals are 67 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 5: looking to tank the next season because I don't even 68 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 5: know if they know if they have a quarterback who 69 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 5: loves it? 70 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. I think this raised a lot of questions for me, 71 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 4: not just like DeAndre where DeAndre Hopkins is playing next 72 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 4: year was like maybe third or fourth on my list 73 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 4: of questions. The first one is everything Rich is saying, 74 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 4: just about the situation in Arizona and Kyler Murray especially. 75 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 4: The second one is more so man the entire Arizona 76 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 4: fan base, you know, and I know it's not maybe 77 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 4: as rabbit of a fan base as maybe some more 78 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 4: traditional sports markets that East Coast, et cetera. But if 79 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 4: you're an Arizona Cardinals fan watching this play out. 80 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: Wow, you let him walk for nothing. 81 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 4: You couldn't even get a seventh round compensatory back of 82 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 4: the draft, like literally just said, all right, dude, go 83 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 4: ahead by just walk Like you couldn't even I know 84 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 4: they wanted a first round pick, obviously they weren't getting that, 85 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 4: but there's a lot of other ways to get compensation 86 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 4: for a player that is under contract, and I know 87 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 4: the contract is a little bit hefty, and I'm looking 88 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 4: up some of his grades right now from this season. 89 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 1: Of course, he only played in about half the games. 90 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 4: That was because of the suspension on injury, and then he 91 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 4: did have some injury issues later on in the year. 92 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 4: But I don't want to say his numbers were off 93 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 4: the charts, Oh my goodness, explosive number one wide receiver. 94 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 4: Like you could tell, there's a bit of a down 95 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 4: trend with his time in Arizona and his production yards 96 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 4: after the catch yards per route. We're on all that 97 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 4: nerdy stuff we love, But really, the bigger question for 98 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 4: me here is just what happened for him to just 99 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 4: walk away and Arizona to let him walk away, I 100 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 4: thought was eye opening to me, and there is something 101 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 4: else happening there. Maybe it is behind the scenes with Kyler, 102 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 4: maybe it's behind the scenes with the front office, but 103 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 4: that is a really that is a very interesting outcome here, 104 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 4: not even to attempt to get any compensation back and 105 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 4: just let him walk away. Man, Kyler Murray better be 106 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 4: careful too, because he's coming back from the injury and 107 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 4: he has now one less receiver to help him out. 108 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 4: And Arizona could say, hey, listen, we got Caleb Williams 109 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 4: coming in the draft next year, Bud. 110 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: You just take as much time as you need, don't 111 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: worry about it. 112 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, that's where I think it's headed. Is this 113 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: is a big picture move exactly. There's no other way 114 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: you would let a five time pro bowler just walk 115 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: it with anything else in mind. And it traces back 116 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: to well, both of you guys are saying rich. You 117 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: started it off with does Kyler Murray love the game? 118 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 2: Does he love football? And you've had comment after comment 119 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 2: of former teammates saying things that. 120 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 3: Are the opposite of him loving football. 121 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: This was Patrick Peterson, remember him on the All Things 122 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 2: Covered podcast. 123 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 6: Kyler Murray don't care about nobody but Kyler. 124 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: Murray like that. That's pretty damning right there. And then 125 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: there was Kelvin Beacham who is still with the Arizona Cardinals. 126 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 2: He was on Arizona Sports, Burns and Gambo. This went 127 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: a little longer, but check this out. 128 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 7: He has the ability to lead. Is just when you're 129 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 7: in that position when need you to lead more, like 130 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 7: you to face the franchise, you gotta leave more. You 131 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 7: gotta lead in every single capacity of leadership. And that's 132 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 7: what they look for out of a franchise quarterback. They've 133 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 7: give you, you know, half a billion. 134 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 3: New coaching staff may be able to push him in 135 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 3: a different way than the old coaching staff did. 136 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 7: We'll see, We'll see Kylas his own individual. He's his 137 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 7: own person. He beats his own drum, which has made 138 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 7: him what he is today. But at the end of 139 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 7: the day, you have to be able to lead an 140 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 7: entire organization. 141 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't sound like he's mister leadership right there. 142 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: And then with DeAndre Hopkins saying I need a quarterback 143 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 2: who loves the game, there's just way too much smoke 144 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 2: for there to be no fire. There was once a 145 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: clause in Kyler Murray's new contract about him studying enough. 146 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: So the guy clearly is not preparing the way other 147 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: top quarterbacks are and that's an issue. And that's why 148 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: I see Arizona letting DeAndre Hopkins go, because they are 149 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: trying to position themselves to be at the top of 150 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: the draft. And if it means drafting Caleb Williams, well, 151 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: then so be it, because that seems to be a 152 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: better spot than where they currently are. 153 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 154 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 5: There's nothing worse, guys than when you're on the football field. 155 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 5: There's nothing worse then when you're on the football field 156 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 5: and your quarterback doesn't know what to do. I mean, 157 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 5: I hate to like paint it on one guy and 158 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 5: say like, well, gee is like you know, you really 159 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 5: that needs to get done or nothing else can happen. 160 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 5: But the truth is, that's the truth, and we all 161 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 5: know it. Look, I mean, like we just talked about it. 162 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 5: Calvin Benjamin said half a billion dollars. When you give 163 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 5: somebody that kind of money, when you give somebody hundreds 164 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 5: of millions of dollars over the course of their career, 165 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 5: and that's now the industry standard. If you are a 166 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 5: top twenty quarterback, you're getting tens of millions of dollars. 167 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 5: If you're a top ten quarterback, you're getting hundreds of 168 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 5: millions of dollars over the course. 169 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 3: Of your career. Like, that's the reality of this sport. 170 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 5: Now, if you have a guy who's turning the wrong 171 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 5: way on opening up to the wrong side on handoffs, 172 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 5: you know, if you have a guy who's dropping back 173 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 5: and not throwing the correct route against the defense he's seeing. 174 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 5: If you have a guy who's not understanding what the 175 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 5: pass protection is picking up versus what he's hot off of. 176 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 3: Meaning when you. 177 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 5: Only have so many blockers and they're bringing a blitz 178 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 5: with seven and you only have six people who can 179 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 5: block for you, it means if they do bring that 180 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 5: seventh guy, you got to know who to throw it to. 181 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 5: When you have a quarterback who can't do that, you 182 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 5: can't play. You can't play the sport. I mean there 183 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 5: were times where, and I'm not going to out anybody, 184 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 5: where it was very clear a guy was going to 185 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 5: get cut because he wasn't prepared. The easiest position, The 186 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 5: easiest position get to get sniffed out. When you're not 187 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 5: prepared as the quarterback, there is no hiding. All eyes 188 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 5: are on you. If you don't know exactly what you 189 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 5: need to do on every single play, they'll find you immediately. 190 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 5: Everybody knows. And so yeah, I mean those guys who 191 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 5: have actually shared a locker room, even the defenders, like 192 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 5: you heard from Patrick Peterson, you know, I mean, if 193 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 5: somebody's screwed something up on the offense and the play 194 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,599 Speaker 5: gets all messed up, Yeah, it's typically like, you know, 195 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 5: a little bit of a I wonder what happened over there, 196 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 5: But when it's the quarterback, everybody in the building knows. 197 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 5: And so I don't know if that's still happening with 198 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 5: Kyler Murray. I don't know what kind of preparation he's 199 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 5: putting into it, but I know there was issues when 200 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 5: he first got there, and the fact that you still 201 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 5: have players talking about whether or not he loves the game. 202 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 5: This team is looking for something new at that position. 203 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 4: You know what the funny thing is, guys, I think 204 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 4: after this smoke dies down a little bit, this might 205 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 4: be the most relevant story about the Arizona Cardinals all year. 206 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 207 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 4: Like it just it feels like we're trending towards that 208 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 4: kind of a season for them, where the most exciting 209 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 4: thing that will happen to them this year will be 210 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 4: DeAndre app gets walking out and that's the most talked 211 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 4: about Arizona Cardinals third year. I guess maybe when Kyler 212 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 4: comes back from the injury, right it looks like he's 213 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 4: he's gonna start the year rehabbing from the knee and 214 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 4: they'll probably call McCoy or if they bring in someone else, 215 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 4: who knows. But so the beginning of Arizona season is 216 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 4: going to be mired by backup quarterbacks and then maybe 217 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 4: when Kyler comes back later in the year, we'll get 218 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 4: more buzz. But I do think shifting the focus to 219 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 4: where DeAndre plays next is interesting. I don't think he's 220 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 4: a game changer individually. I think he needs to be 221 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 4: in a system that again the love of the game 222 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 4: fuels a little bit of that fire. 223 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: Again. 224 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 4: This will be now I think, his third team in 225 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 4: five years. Four years. Yeah, he spent three years in Arizona, 226 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 4: so I think that was a mid season trade too, 227 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 4: or I forget if I forget how he got to Arizona, 228 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 4: if it was a mid season trade or if it 229 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 4: was offseason. But so now it'll be his third team 230 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 4: in his career. Here's some interesting candidates out there, right. 231 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 4: I saw Mina Kimes tweet out a list yesterday. Detroit, 232 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 4: New England, Carolina, Dallas, Atlanta, Indy, Buffalo, Kansas City Giants. 233 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 4: Cap trouble there. I don't know what you guys think 234 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 4: of those teams. Detroit to me was really interesting. I 235 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 4: think you PLoP them on the Lions today, and man, 236 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 4: oh man, that offense looks really really dangerous. 237 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: But the quarterback situation there might not beat his liking. 238 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 4: Carolina rookie quarterback, Dallas Dak Prescott, Atlanta quarterback, Indie a quarterback, Buffalo, 239 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 4: Kansas City Giants. I think much better offensive situations. Any 240 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 4: thoughts on that list and where he goes from here. 241 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing is where does he Land. I 242 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: think his wish list is exactly that. It's a wish list, 243 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: because he was on the im Athlete podcast and he said, 244 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: you know, how about the Bills, Josh Allen, they don't 245 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 2: have cap space. How about the Eagles Jalen Hurts, they 246 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: don't have cap space? 247 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 4: Chiefs I was talking to his agent before the draft, right. 248 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was probably before the OBJ. You can't 249 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 2: have everybody, you can't have everyone over there. And so 250 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 2: about the cap space your Jets, now that's fine. 251 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 3: How about now about. 252 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 4: Man oh Man, there's there's someone who's gonna get a 253 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 4: really good, a really good wide receiver. 254 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: Though, well, that's the thing is, it's got to fit 255 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: because there are some cap gymnastics that you can do, 256 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 2: but there's only so much. 257 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 3: Like the Browns. 258 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: The Browns have been talked about they only have seven 259 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 2: million dollars in cap space. 260 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I mean, I mean they're down the list. 261 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 5: How about how about the Panthers though, like with a 262 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 5: brand new quarterback, and maybe DeAndre Hopkins is tired of 263 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 5: playing with young quarterbacks. 264 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 3: But I don't know. 265 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 5: Frank Reich, if if he gets on the phone, he's 266 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 5: a pretty commencing guy. Uh, intelligent football coach. And you 267 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 5: know if he if what I would do if I 268 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 5: was courting DeAndre Hopkins as a as a free agent 269 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 5: and I was the the front office in Carolina and 270 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 5: really wanted them, I would send I would send them 271 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 5: highlight so Bryce Young connecting with receivers down the field. 272 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. 273 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd feel like like we're playing on doing a 274 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 5: lot of this in Carolina. 275 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 4: This yet you're like basically Bryce Young's highlight reel from 276 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 4: Alabama exact just just said. Or just have Nick Saban 277 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 4: show up at the Carolina facility. 278 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 3: That would be Yeah. 279 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 2: But that's the thing is if they could convince him. 280 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: Think about that, how it all works together. Where you 281 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: think of Carolina. They had the blockbuster trade including wide 282 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: receiver Dj Moore, But because Bryce Young is on his 283 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: rookie deal, then you go back and you get a 284 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: guy like DeAndre Hopkins. That would be huge for Carolina. 285 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: I don't know why he would go there, but that 286 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: would be a grand slam. 287 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 4: That's a net positive, right you get? I mean Dj 288 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 4: Moore for DeAndre Hopkins. I think that's a pretty net positive, right. 289 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, he would be an absolute star in Carolina like 290 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 5: there would be no I mean, if they have any 291 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 5: sort of success and he has any sort of numbers 292 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 5: in Carolina, I mean, he would be given so much 293 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 5: of that credit. And Bryce Young seems like a guy 294 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 5: who's about his teammates, and I don't know, after being 295 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 5: in Arizona for a little bit, Yeah, wouldn't be nice 296 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 5: to be with a quarterback who's gonna give it up 297 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 5: and give all the praise and the accolades to his teammates. 298 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 3: You know. 299 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 5: The one thing that kind of came through just those 300 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 5: two brief clips that we played about former teammates or 301 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 5: teammates talking about about Kyler Murray. 302 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 3: Is there's some level of selfishness there. 303 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 5: And I mean, like, if you're a wide receiver, you 304 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 5: that's got to drive you crazy. If that's your thought 305 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 5: process on the quarterback who you're playing with, is geez. 306 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 5: You know, normally these guys are some of the most 307 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 5: selfless guys on the field. 308 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 3: You know. It's not a Kyler Murray dash fest over here. 309 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 5: I mean, but but this, to me, that was a 310 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 5: stunning admission on his way out is that he wants 311 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 5: a quarterback who loves the game. 312 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: That's the criteria that's all I'm looking for. 313 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: I receiver supposed to be the defense. 314 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 3: Still receivers like we're supposed to be the. 315 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 8: Pick. 316 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 4: Honestly, if he if he ended up in Detroit, I 317 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 4: already liked this Lin's team a lot. They might be 318 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 4: one of my over bet, one of the first over 319 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 4: bets I make in the win total market this year. 320 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 4: But man, imagine you get Jamison Williams back from injury, 321 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 4: you draft Jamire Gibbs. 322 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 3: And gambling suspension too. Don't forget about that. 323 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 4: That's true, and you have that's true, and you have 324 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 4: the gambling suspension. 325 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: But man, oh man, you've got that is. 326 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 4: An offense with the coordinator coming back and Ben Johnson 327 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 4: and obviously Jared Goff, that offense ready to roll. 328 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: You get Hopkins in the mix and the motor City 329 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: there baby. 330 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 3: No doubt. 331 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: Hey, We're brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Progressive makes 332 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 2: bundling easy and affordable. 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I forget Ramos is playing 363 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 2: it like the who the Blur is a blur, but 364 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 2: they had the lyrics on some show. They're like, what 365 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 2: do they say at the beginning? And I listen, I'm like, 366 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 2: I have no idea, and he says, it's either I 367 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: or you have got your head shaved like a jumbo jet. 368 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 3: But it's like a Jimbo jim. 369 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 4: Boat, like the yeah kambucha stuff that you drink, right, 370 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 4: I don't know. Yeah, some of the ERTs you actually 371 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 4: read the lyrics. You're like, Wow, I've been saying it 372 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 4: wrong for the whole forever. 373 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 2: I got the woo hoo part down cold man, I 374 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 2: got that down now this, guys, this would be legacy altering. 375 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 3: Stuff. 376 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: Is if the Boston Celtics can come back from a 377 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 2: three to ozho deficit, be the first NBA team ever 378 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: to do that. They've got the next step in the 379 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 2: journey over here Game six tonight against Miami Heat. Think 380 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 2: if they take it a step further, if they win 381 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: a title in the same year after coming back from 382 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: a three to zero deficit. That would absolutely be legendary 383 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 2: type stuff, especially for that franchise, in the history that 384 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 2: they have. But even if they don't win a title, 385 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 2: they'd still be known as the only team. 386 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 3: They kind of be the umbc of the NBA in 387 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 3: a way. 388 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: Now, if you think of the flip side of it, 389 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 2: if the Heat, if they're the only team that gives 390 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: up a three to oho series lead in NBA history, 391 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 2: that is legacy altering stuff as well. I don't think 392 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: we're gonna look at Jimmy Butler and be like this 393 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: freaking guy, But that's going to be something that we 394 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: always always trace back to whenever, like five, ten, fifteen 395 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: years from now, anytime there's a three to zero series lead, 396 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: we're gonna say, well, the Celtics came back, Well, then 397 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 2: he gave it up. That is huge stuff that we're 398 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 2: seeing here potentially unfold. 399 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, think about how divergent those two futures 400 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 5: will be for either squad, you know what I mean. Like, 401 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 5: if if the Celtics do beat the Heat, we'll start 402 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 5: on the Celtics side. That will save Joe Mizzula's job, 403 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 5: That will that will keep their head coach in his 404 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 5: chair most likely. Almost, you know, it doesn't It almost 405 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 5: doesn't matter what happens in the finals because I think 406 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 5: the Nuggets are such an overwhelming team this year, unless 407 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 5: the Celtics can make a series of it. 408 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 3: But you know, we'll cross up Barats when we get there. 409 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 5: But if they win, if they come back three to 410 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 5: zero and they win the Eastern Conference Finals, yeah, I 411 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 5: think Missoula saves his job. Now, then you look on 412 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 5: the other side of it. Jimmy, everybody loves him. 413 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 3: I love him. 414 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 5: I think he's a phenomenal player. He's a great story. 415 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 5: But you know how star players get when all of 416 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 5: a sudden the culture stops working for them, or stops 417 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 5: working period. If the Heat lose after having a three 418 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 5: to zero run in the Eastern Conference Finals and you're 419 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 5: the star of that team and everybody's asking what's wrong 420 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 5: with you? Like, why didn't you get it done? You 421 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 5: and k Love and the gang over there, what's wrong 422 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 5: with you? That's when the finger pointing starts happening toward 423 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 5: the front office. 424 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 3: And if he's still there next season. 425 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 5: Or and they get out to a slow start, I 426 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 5: could see a situation where this is a is a 427 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 5: huge is a huge problem for Eric Spolstra moving forward. 428 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 5: So I really think this comes down to whoever. I mean, 429 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 5: the Heat probably will win this series. Let's get that straight. 430 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 5: I mean most likely. Now, the Celtics absolutely took them 431 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 5: apart on their home floor, but it did also feel 432 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 5: like the Heat kind of packed it in in the 433 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 5: second half. There were moments There's no doubt it got 434 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 5: a little close toward then It's just it was the 435 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 5: Celtics game from the opening tip off. But if this 436 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 5: goes sideways for the Heat, really sideways, this could be 437 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 5: This could be one of those turning points in a 438 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 5: franchise where they want to go in a completely different 439 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 5: direction soon because because because star players aren't just going 440 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 5: to accept blame, they're not just going to walk away 441 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 5: from a loss like that and say, yeah, and you 442 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 5: know what, as it turns out, it was all on me, 443 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 5: see you next year. 444 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 3: That's not how that happens. 445 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the way this series is playing out, 446 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 4: first of all, the one thing we have. 447 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: To frame our minds to remember. 448 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 4: And I think maybe we've lost touch with this a 449 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 4: little bit because it feels like it's been like six 450 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 4: months since this has happened. The Heat were an eight 451 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 4: seed and they were almost bounced in the playing round 452 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 4: from the They lost their first playing game and they 453 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 4: were down late to the Bulls and almost got bounced 454 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 4: from the playoffs completely before even making it into this 455 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 4: the second. 456 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: Tier of the playoffs. 457 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 4: And then of course from that point on they went 458 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 4: on this insane run. 459 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: The Bucks were I don't know what was going on there. 460 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 4: They were just outclass the Knicks, and now they're in 461 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 4: a series. And let's be honest, I think going into 462 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 4: the series, we all expected this to be a nip 463 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 4: and tuck. I know the odds were saying Boston was 464 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 4: gonna run away with things, but the odds have been 465 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 4: pooh pooing the Heat all playoffs. I think we expected 466 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 4: it to be a tight series. I don't think anyone 467 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 4: expected it to be three to zero. But also, at 468 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 4: the end of the day, basketball, over the course of 469 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 4: a seven game series and then another seven game series, 470 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 4: and now we're in the third seven game series, water 471 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 4: tends to find its level. The Heat were an eight 472 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 4: seed that struggled to make the five hundred mark most 473 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 4: of the year, and they were up and down and 474 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 4: almost got knocked out in the playing round, and now 475 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 4: they're kind of showing us who I don't want to 476 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 4: say they really are, but the Celtics were one of 477 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 4: the best teams in the NBA all season. They got 478 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 4: star power top to bottom. They were supposed to win 479 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 4: this series. I think they're going to win this series. 480 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 4: And I don't want to say that it's the biggest 481 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 4: collapse ever because we've seen another team from Boston do 482 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 4: this very recently against a much more prestigious franchise I 483 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 4: guess not very recently, but ten fifteen years ago, whenever 484 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 4: the two and four yet nineteen years. 485 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: Ago so and what happened in the following round, Well, 486 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: they just I think they swept the Rockies in the 487 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: World Series that year, So I think this is I 488 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: think this is a little more. 489 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 4: I think this is a little more consistent to what 490 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 4: these teams are and I wouldn't be that surprised, Like, 491 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 4: it's not that shocking to me that Boston might win 492 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 4: four in a row because they've been good all year 493 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 4: in the heat of in an eight seed all year. 494 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, uh, it was ridiculous because my Cardinals 495 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: got swept by the Red Sox. It was I'll never 496 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 2: forget Edgar Rentiea was the shortstop. He made the final 497 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 2: out and he was number three, and they're like, it's 498 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 2: just like babe, Ruth number I'm like, get my good way. 499 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: But Boston Red Sox stuff. He was unbelievable. Were they 500 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: won eight straight. It's crazy craziness. But uh, we got 501 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 2: a major case of role reversal. 502 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 3: On our hands here. 503 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 2: We will dive into that, but first you want to 504 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 2: talk about diving into something. We are going to dive 505 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 2: into the cool, brisk waters of Isaac Loewen Crown over here. 506 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:42,719 Speaker 3: I love what's going on. 507 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 10: But ah yeah, so refreshing on this Saturday morning, unless 508 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 10: you're a fan of the Oakland A's, which we'll get 509 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 10: to momentarily because at Major League Baseball on Friday night, 510 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 10: the Boston Red Sox broke a four game losing streak 511 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 10: with a seven to two victory at Arizona. The Pittsburgh 512 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 10: Pirates hit seven home runs and an eleven six win 513 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 10: at Seattle. The Marlins Jorge Soler homer for a fourth 514 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 10: straight game in their victory over the Angels in Anaheim 515 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 10: six to two. Now, the Houston Astros won at Oakland 516 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 10: five to two. That makes the A's ten and forty three. 517 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 10: That is the most losses through fifty three games for 518 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 10: any major league team since nineteen hundred. Also on Friday, 519 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 10: the Dodgers in Tampa Bay Rays got together for the 520 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 10: first time since the twenty twenty World Series. In the Bubble, 521 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 10: Tampa Bay beat the Dodgers nine to three. The Ray's 522 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 10: now a major league best thirty eight and fifteen. The 523 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 10: Texas Rangers won at Baltimore twelve to two thanks to 524 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 10: an eight run fourth inning, including a Corey Seger grand slam. 525 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 10: The Rangers have the third best record of the majors 526 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 10: at thirty two and eighteen. Juan Soto and Fernando Tatis 527 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 10: Junior both homered into the second deck at Yankee Stadium 528 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 10: in the Padres five to one win over the Yankees. 529 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 10: Soto's was a four hundred thirty two footer. Tatisis home 530 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 10: run clocked in at four hundred and thirty nine feet. 531 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 10: Matt's Colorado five to two Max stures or the when 532 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 10: he struck out eight and seven innings with no walks. 533 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 10: Francisco Lindora home run in four RBI Phillies waned Atlanta 534 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 10: six to fours. Craig Kimberl became the eighth pitcher in 535 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 10: Major league history to record four hundred saves in the 536 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 10: NBA Tonight eight thirty Eastern Game six of the Eastern 537 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 10: Conference Finals from Miami, with the Heat leading the Boston 538 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 10: Celtics three games to two. Finally, Fox Sports Radio's Isaac 539 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 10: Loehenkron has issued a formal apology to friend and colleague 540 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 10: Rich Ornberger for his callous and thoughtless behavior on Twitter 541 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 10: a couple of weeks ago that escalated to the point 542 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 10: where Lowenkron blocked Ornberger on Twitter, Isaaca, what's the air? 543 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: What's going on here? 544 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 5: Okay, that's why we haven't spoken yet, because I will 545 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 5: not speak to this man. 546 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, blood brewing behind the scenes. 547 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 11: Here, not behind the scenes anymore. 548 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 5: T Yeah now yeah, now the t has been spilt. 549 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 5: Thanks I low first time I spoken to him in weeks. 550 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 10: Actually, actually, you know what, now that I think of it, 551 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 10: do you want to just explain how all this happened? 552 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 3: Yes, well, it was just it was honestly a mistake. 553 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 5: I realized that maybe an oversight, maybe something that that 554 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 5: Isaac wanted to come to terms with. We found out 555 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 5: on the National Show on Sunday recently that all of 556 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 5: us were following Ilo and Ilo was following none of us. Wow, 557 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 5: I don't follow Ilo either. I don't even know you 558 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 5: were on Twitter there, Bud. 559 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 10: I'm not offended by that at all, unless unlike some 560 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 10: people around here. 561 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 5: Well, I'm just saying, like, you know, if we're not 562 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 5: social media friends, are we friends at all? 563 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 4: If it isn't a good point actually, I mean if 564 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 4: if we if we aren't Twitter official Ilo. 565 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 3: So how did this escalate to a block? 566 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 5: Well, we were talking about it on Aaron I see 567 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 5: it now, everything we say at all times. 568 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 3: He's always monitoring discussions of Fox. 569 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 5: Sports and uh he you heard the conversation was founded 570 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 5: upsetting and immediately blocked all the people involved. 571 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 4: That sounds a lot like what social media is these days. 572 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: Either you agree with me or. 573 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 4: I'm going to block you so I don't have to 574 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 4: see the opposition. 575 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 11: I'd like argument. 576 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 10: I'd like to make a final, last ditch attempt at 577 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 10: Deaton here with Rich sure and just agree to move 578 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 10: on with Rich and instead blame it all on Steve Hartman, 579 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 10: because frankly, Steve Hartman is the one who started this 580 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 10: with his jealous complaining that I wasn't following him on Twitter, 581 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 10: And what I actually did was I blocked Rich and 582 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 10: Monsey and Jason Stewarge. I took I took a screenshot 583 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 10: that I had lot them, and then I unblocked them. 584 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 10: So Rich, Monsey and Jason are all presently I blocked. 585 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: You want me to follow you, but do you want 586 00:29:58,920 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: to have this conversation. 587 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 4: I'm all about opening honest discord In this current generation, it's. 588 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 11: Completely completely up up. 589 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 4: Do you tweet anything worthy of me following you at Oh? 590 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 5: Absolutely, He's a great follow and I've been following him 591 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 5: for years and I just know that he does well. 592 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 4: You only follow sixty seven people that way, so obviously 593 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 4: this is a this is a thing for you. 594 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 11: Yeah, you know what, Rich Rich go ahead check your notifications. 595 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 11: You just got a new follower. 596 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: I'm following you to Isaac and you know what you're 597 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 1: dealing with that whatever you will, Bud, I don't even 598 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: know you're on Twitter. 599 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,479 Speaker 5: I'm gonna be honest with you. This is the proudest 600 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 5: day of my life. This is the proudest day of 601 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 5: my life. 602 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 4: Isaac's following count just went up from sixty seven to 603 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 4: sixty eight. 604 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 3: Breaking the Black Sports Radio. Hi point for you, Rich 605 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 3: is the mayo and the coffee. The low point. 606 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 5: It's actually amazing you mentioned that the highest and lowest 607 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 5: point in my life have occurred on this Saturday show 608 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 5: that we've been doing for a year. 609 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a good thing or a 610 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: bad things. 611 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, I mean, yeah, birth the children, you know, obviously, Yeah, 612 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 5: I mean I've had my ups and downs, my peaks 613 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 5: and valleys. But the fact that it is all relegated 614 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 5: to these three hours we spend together, I probably need 615 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 5: to talk to somebody. 616 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, not Isaac though. 617 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, well now I can. Now it can. 618 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 2: Direct Message you got fantastic and at the end of 619 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 2: your first year, Direct Discover credit cards automatically double all 620 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: the cash back you've earned. 621 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 3: That's right, everything you earned doubled. 622 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 2: Seriously see terms and check it out for yourself at 623 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: discover dot com. Slash Match all right, we've got Rich Ornberger, 624 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 2: Penn State, All American. We've got Jared Smith FSR betting analyst. 625 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 3: I'm Brian No. 626 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 2: Coming up next, we get to the major case of 627 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 2: role reversal and a highly questionable top five both on 628 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 2: the way it is Fox Sports Saturday right here on 629 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back in It's Fox Sports Saturday 630 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: Live from the Tirack dot Com studios. Okay, before a 631 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 2: highly questionable top five list, we've got a major case 632 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 2: of role reversal over here. That's why I find so 633 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 2: interesting about this Celtics Heat series is Miami was a 634 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 2: huge underdog before the series began, and then all of 635 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 2: a sudden, they won three straight games and Miami became 636 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:29,959 Speaker 2: a huge favorite. Boston assumed control without wanting to of 637 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 2: the underdog role. And it's a different dynamic when you 638 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 2: are the underdog. Why do you think all these teams 639 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 2: try to become the underdog even times when they're not, 640 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 2: because it's more comfortable. You're playing more freely, you're not 641 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 2: expected to win, you don't have the pressure of you're 642 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 2: supposed to do it. And so you've seen Boston the 643 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 2: last couple of games as a huge underdog assume control, 644 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 2: more control of the series, where at least winning a 645 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 2: couple of games, getting right back into it. They're a 646 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 2: favorite on the should they win Game six, they'd be 647 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 2: a huge favorite in Game seven. But they are still 648 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 2: that underdog that has had momentum so we're gonna see 649 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 2: it's pretty even level right now heading into Game six, 650 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 2: but Miami was not used to the favorite role. The 651 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 2: only thing that would shift that is a Game seven, 652 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 2: Miami would be a huge underdog. But I think one 653 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 2: of the little layers involved in this series is that 654 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 2: Miami is way more comfortable when they're totally counted out, 655 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 2: but when they are supposed to just finish the deal, 656 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: they have not been as comfortable these last two games. 657 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 5: And what's crazy is what this reminds me of the 658 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 5: most is when you open up those those magazines when 659 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 5: you're checking out groceries and it's who wore it better? Yeah, 660 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 5: you know, when it comes to like the underdog outfit, 661 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 5: Boston as a city just whears it better? I mean, 662 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 5: Miami is a front run in city, my friends. I 663 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 5: mean South Beach has a lot over the rest of 664 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 5: the world, let alone the rest of the country. 665 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 3: And if you look at the culture and really the. 666 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 5: Mindset of a lot of Boston teams over the past 667 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 5: twenty years, the Red Sox of the two thousands, they 668 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 5: were underdogs. 669 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,240 Speaker 3: And that was the story until they weren't. 670 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 5: And then you know, they actually kind of, you know, 671 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 5: moved on from becoming this lovable cast of characters to becoming. 672 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 3: Quite quite hateable. Actually, you know the Patriots. 673 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 5: Now, I know that the Patriots became everybody's, you know, 674 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 5: a villain and rival. But the Patriots, the hallmark of 675 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 5: their run was Bill Belichick creating this US against the 676 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 5: world mentality for the entire time. Tom Brady was there 677 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 5: and his buying was so great, and he was so 678 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 5: great that the Patriots were so great because even though 679 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 5: they were at the top, they played like they had 680 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 5: a chip on their shoulders the whole time. The Celtics, 681 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 5: they wear the underdog better than the heat do. 682 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 3: It just looks better on him. 683 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 5: They went back home facing elimination and absolutely destroyed Miami, 684 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 5: and it was in front of a crowd that wasn't 685 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 5: upset at Boston for being down three to one. It 686 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 5: was in front of a crowd that was thrilled that 687 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 5: they were able to cheer on an underdog to an 688 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 5: absolute de panting on their home floor. So, if there's 689 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 5: a team that's gonna have more momentum heading into Game 690 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 5: six of this series, without a doubt in my mind, 691 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 5: especially with this series, if with a win returning home 692 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 5: to Boston, it is the Celtics hands down. 693 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Brian. 694 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 4: I love how you framed it like the underdog role Miami. 695 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 4: When all of a sudden they were the favorite in 696 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 4: the series. 697 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: They were up three to zero, dominated Boston in game three. 698 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 4: I mean that was just a visceration, and then all 699 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 4: of a sudden they win that game four. And it 700 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 4: was a tight game, right, It was a tight game 701 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 4: a little bit to the end. It was back and 702 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 4: forth and Boston kind of pulled away a little bit 703 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 4: at the end, but it was a pretty tight game throughout. 704 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: There were moments in that game. 705 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 4: I remember texting one of my close friends who was 706 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 4: betting Boston in that game, and we're New York guys, 707 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 4: so when they were struggling at the beginning of the game, 708 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 4: it was like a Boston asked for them, and then 709 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 4: they showed you that fight, you know, they showed you 710 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 4: that fight at the end, and then they carried it 711 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 4: over into game five. And I'll be honest, guys, once 712 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 4: they won Game five, the entire balance of. 713 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,439 Speaker 1: The series then really started to shift. 714 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,919 Speaker 4: Like right now, the gambling odds are saying the Heat 715 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 4: are a slight favorite in the series minus one thirty 716 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 4: minus one forty. That's saying about fifty five sixty percent. 717 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 4: The Celtics maybe in the forty five forty percent range, 718 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 4: So it's not a true coin flip. Miami still technically 719 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 4: is the favorite in the series, but let's be honest, 720 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 4: Boston is the favorite in today's game. And if Boston 721 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 4: wins this game today, well they're gonna win the series. 722 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: So if you are we can get into this later 723 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 1: during the gambling talk. 724 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 4: If you are gonna bet this game tonight, I would 725 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,280 Speaker 4: just bet Boston to win the series at plus money. 726 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 4: Much better smarter wager, I think in the long haul. 727 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 4: But to me, when you just look at what Boston 728 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 4: is at their core, they're the better team, and over 729 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 4: the long haul of a seven game series, water tends 730 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 4: to find its level. Now it doesn't always go three 731 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 4: to zero and then four to oher in one direction. 732 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 4: That is an incredibly violent storm. But Boston is far 733 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 4: superior talent wise. Maybe Miami's got the coaching edge, Maybe 734 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 4: Miami's got a little bit of the momentum because they're 735 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 4: a little bit more buttoned up with some of the 736 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 4: little things that they do. But now momentum is squarely 737 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,240 Speaker 4: in Boston's court, and I just don't know if Miami 738 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 4: has the horses to take it back. Gave Vincent's out. 739 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 4: He's been a key cock for them in the series. 740 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 4: Jimmy Butler's not your true score in that true sense 741 00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 4: of the term. I know he scores a lot of 742 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 4: points in in this postseason, but he's not this type 743 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 4: of score that Jason Tatum or Jaln Brown are. So 744 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 4: I don't know where it's going to come from. It's 745 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 4: not coming from Kevin Love, that's for sure. I'm curious 746 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 4: what Miami does tonight. Does Eric Spolster have one last 747 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 4: ace up his sleeve? I don't know if that's I 748 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 4: think that's the only way Miami wins this game and 749 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 4: wins the series is if Spolster pushes a button tonight 750 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,720 Speaker 4: and somebody gets hot and it just it works. 751 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 1: And maybe that. 752 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 2: Happens, but I don't know if it's going to Yeah, 753 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 2: not all three to Oho series leads are created the 754 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 2: same way. I think sometimes history can get in your 755 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 2: way because the simple thing is to say, well, teams 756 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 2: with three oh series leads, they're one fifty to oher 757 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 2: in NBA history, they always close the deal it's like, well, 758 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 2: look at Miami, they're an eight seed. They had to 759 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,479 Speaker 2: play their way in. They've got seven undrafted guys. Gabe 760 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 2: Vincent just got hurt. Like you mentioned, Jared and the 761 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 2: Celtics are one of the best teams in the league. Like, 762 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 2: I think it's deeper than it's never happened before. Therefore 763 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 2: it's probably not gonna happen again. I think it goes 764 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 2: deeper than that. Let me throw this at you, guys. 765 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 2: So Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes, he did an interview with 766 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 2: Complex and he revealed his personal list of his top 767 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,879 Speaker 2: five quarterbacks of all time. 768 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 3: Okay, you ready for this? Oh boy? 769 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 2: He went Tom Brady number one, good choice, Number two, 770 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 2: Peyton Manning, three, Aaron Rodgers, four Joe Montana and then 771 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 2: five either Dan Marino or John Elway. 772 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 3: He didn't pull me on number five. 773 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 2: Here's the thing that I would say, if you have 774 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 2: Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers over Joe Montana, your list sucks. 775 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 3: That's all I can say. 776 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 2: You got one of the clutches quarterbacks in the history 777 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 2: of the game in Joe Montana. And all this Super 778 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 2: Bowl success and all over, guys that have wet themselves 779 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 2: numerous times. 780 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 3: Boy on the biggest of stages. 781 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, Marino lway, you're you're out of my top five 782 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 5: because Mahomes is in my top first. 783 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 3: Oh but but I do agree with you. 784 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 5: I actually have the same exact list as Mahomes, accept 785 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 5: he's in it, so I would scramble. 786 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: You can't put yourself in your top five works. 787 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 2: Batform, he should have to your list, there, Ornberger a 788 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 2: right coming up next. We got rule changes and potential 789 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 2: rule changes, galore, oh Man, rules are changing all over. 790 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,320 Speaker 3: The freaking place. What do you like? What do you dislike? 791 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 3: That is on the way. 792 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 2: We are broadcasting live from the tire rack dot Com studios. 793 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 2: Tire rack dot Com will help get you there an 794 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 2: unmatched selection, fast, free shipping, free road hazard protection, and 795 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 2: over ten thousand recommended installers. Tire rack dot com the 796 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 2: way tire buying should be. All right, Fellas, we've got 797 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 2: NFL rule changes, we got potential NBA rule changes. So 798 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 2: here's a simple thing I'll introduce it. I want to 799 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 2: simple thumbs up or thumbs down over here. Okay, how 800 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 2: about kickoffs spotted at the twenty five yard line? If 801 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 2: you fair catch it on the kickoff. You get it 802 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,240 Speaker 2: at the twenty five. The NFL says it's a safety 803 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 2: measure instead of getting it at the twenty there's another incentive. 804 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 2: You get it at the twenty five, So don't return it. 805 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 2: No return over here cuts down on concussions and made 806 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 2: your collisions. 807 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 3: So do you like this? I'm going thumbs down. 808 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 2: I love the kickoff and we're only talking about it 809 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 2: documented nineteen concussions last year. When you're dealing in percentages, 810 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 2: concussions on kickoffs are up sixty percent. There were nineteen 811 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 2: documented concussions in over twenty seven hundred kickoffs. 812 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 3: I want the kickoff to remain. I don't like this 813 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 3: thumbs down. I agree. 814 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 5: It's a thumbs down for me because I think they've 815 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 5: already defanged the kickoff enough and I don't think this 816 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 5: actually addresses the major problem. So I love how they 817 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 5: give you those statistics, but they don't talk about how 818 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 5: many any concussions happen during during the rest of the game, 819 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,360 Speaker 5: like they're just spotlighting that area, saying, well, this is 820 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 5: a very dangerous play. Historically the kickoff was a very 821 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 5: dangerous play, and then they took away the three man 822 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 5: wedge on kick return and the wedge buster on kickoff. 823 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 5: They obviously changed the rules to give more of an 824 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 5: offensive edge to the receiving team to take a knee 825 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,880 Speaker 5: instead of taking it out, you know, getting the ball 826 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 5: at the twenty five like there've been I mean, even 827 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 5: the fair catch rule in the first place, like the 828 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 5: touchback rule. All of those rules weren't in place at first, 829 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,959 Speaker 5: and slowly but surely the kickoff has become safer. Look, 830 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 5: this is a league that just you know, created a 831 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 5: situation where they're they're flexing Thursday night football games. Surprise, 832 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 5: a month later you may have a Thursday nighter and 833 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 5: to show that they still really care about player health, 834 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 5: they made so the kickoff is safer. 835 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 3: Good job, league, This was just a PR move. 836 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: Thumbs down, Yeah, major thumbs down. Two thumbs down. Cisco 837 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: and Ebert, right, I don't think. 838 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right the movie critic vibe here. But the 839 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 4: the XFL got it right with the kickoffs. They line 840 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 4: them up in I don't know if you guys have 841 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 4: seen the XFL kickoff rules. I forget which yard line 842 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 4: they line them up at, but it's basically the kickoff 843 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 4: team is almost already in the opponent territory, and then 844 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 4: the kick return team you line up. I think it's 845 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 4: ten yards apart, five five yards apart. Thank you very 846 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 4: much for yeah again. And what that does twofold A. 847 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,919 Speaker 4: The violence of the collisions are less when you're only 848 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 4: five yards apart. Obviously, when you're in full sprint two. 849 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 4: It allows you to actually kind of run a play. 850 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 4: As the kickoff return team, you can kind of move 851 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 4: certain blockers right, It's almost like you've got an extended 852 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 4: offensive line and you could pull, and you could this, 853 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,720 Speaker 4: and you can run. I saw some very creative stuff 854 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,279 Speaker 4: in the XFL this year with the kickoff returns, and 855 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 4: I don't know why the NFL doesn't adopt that. 856 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 1: To me, that is a. 857 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:15,360 Speaker 4: Slam dunk you satisfy A. It's an exciting play. Again 858 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,359 Speaker 4: be the violence of the collisions, so major thumbs down 859 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 4: on what the NFL ended up deciding. 860 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:21,759 Speaker 3: I'm with you. 861 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 2: I think that's where it's headed. Either the NFL does 862 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 2: away with the kickoff altogether, or it's going to be 863 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 2: the XFL version. That's where I see it headed. How 864 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 2: about flex scheduling. A lot made over flex scheduling where 865 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 2: we have it on Thursday night, Sunday night, Monday night, 866 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,600 Speaker 2: And I just don't understand all the negativity toward it, 867 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 2: where it's like, oh my gosh, you're gonna ask these players, 868 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 2: and what if I'm traveling to the game and you 869 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,959 Speaker 2: got to prioritize your TV audience And as a fan, 870 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 2: you're not playing on Thursday night, you don't have a 871 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,840 Speaker 2: quick turnaround. I'm watching at home. I want the best 872 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 2: matchup possible. So I don't understand why this is such 873 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,359 Speaker 2: a negative thing. I think this is a win thumbs up. 874 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 5: I agree. I one hundred percent agree with everything he said. 875 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,799 Speaker 5: I'm no longer a player, so this doesn't affect me 876 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,560 Speaker 5: as a former player. This has very little effect on 877 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 5: me as a fan of the game. It has a 878 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 5: great effect on me because I'm not going to a 879 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 5: Thursday night football game. I mean, I haven't been to 880 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,160 Speaker 5: one since I finished playing. I am a TV viewer. 881 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,800 Speaker 5: I mean for the majority of the games that I'm watching, 882 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 5: I'm a TV viewer, And like many people, including al Michaels, 883 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,760 Speaker 5: they should just call this to al Michaels. 884 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 1: Rule exactly what I was gonna say. 885 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,360 Speaker 5: The play by play voice on Thursday Night Football for 886 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:46,280 Speaker 5: Amazon who would complain during the broadcast about the teams 887 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,320 Speaker 5: that we're playing on Thursday night football. 888 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 3: I think this is a great move. 889 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 5: This makes the rest of the country enjoy your product better, 890 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,319 Speaker 5: you know. So, yeah, it is going to affect probably 891 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:04,719 Speaker 5: some friend of the I don't know, seventy thousand in attendance, 892 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 5: depending on what stadium this is. This game's gonna be 893 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,840 Speaker 5: played at some fraction. Like, there's probably gonna be a 894 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,160 Speaker 5: lot more smiles than frowns out there because there may 895 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 5: be a lot of people in that market who haven't 896 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,640 Speaker 5: had an opportunity to see their team in primetime. Because 897 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,719 Speaker 5: maybe the team that gets the primetime boost was a 898 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,400 Speaker 5: team that wasn't expected to be very good this season, 899 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 5: and all of a sudden they are, and all of 900 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:27,839 Speaker 5: a sudden they get to play on a Thursday night, 901 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, you get to go and 902 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,240 Speaker 5: take your kids to Thursday night football. 903 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,240 Speaker 3: Boom. I think you're going. 904 00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,320 Speaker 5: To see a lot more people happy with this change 905 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 5: than not happy with this change. If I'm Siskel and Ebert, 906 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 5: this is the two thumbs. 907 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 4: Way way up from Oh yeah, I don't know if 908 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,400 Speaker 4: I'm like way way up, but I definitely think it 909 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 4: is a net positive because let's talk about a big picture. 910 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 4: This is going to effect like five games the whole year. 911 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,800 Speaker 4: It's only the end of the year. It's a very 912 00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,879 Speaker 4: small window. You're giving a four week notice. You don't 913 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 4: even get four weeks when you get fired from your job. 914 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,440 Speaker 4: So I just I think this is a very You 915 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 4: get plenty of time people making travel plans. 916 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: You get a whole month to change your travel plans. 917 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 4: And I know it's not ideal, but we're going The 918 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 4: end result is we're going to get a better product. 919 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 4: So I think that is a very positive change, the 920 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 4: better product. There are probably going to be some players 921 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 4: that are a little bit miffed at the time that 922 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 4: it happens, like the day they get the news, Hey 923 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,680 Speaker 4: your game just got moved up four days. 924 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,640 Speaker 1: But it feels like all right, you know, kind of like. 925 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,759 Speaker 4: When you're stuck in traffic, like, yeah, it sucks, but 926 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,680 Speaker 4: I'll get over it. I'll be fine. These guys are 927 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,080 Speaker 4: professional athletes. They train for this, they're prepared for this. 928 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,719 Speaker 4: They deal with plenty of other things that the game 929 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 4: of football and the preparation right rich constant fluctuation. Oh 930 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,279 Speaker 4: we have to change pivot to this immediately because this 931 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 4: is changed. These guys are used to this. I don't 932 00:47:58,520 --> 00:47:59,959 Speaker 4: think it's going to be as big of it. Feels 933 00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:02,480 Speaker 4: like the baseball rules this year. Everyone was making a 934 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,200 Speaker 4: big deal out of it, and then the season started 935 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,279 Speaker 4: They're like, Oh, Wow, this actually isn't so bad. 936 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:07,759 Speaker 3: I like how you frame that. 937 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Thursday Night Football, just so everybody's on the 938 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 2: same page. Like Jared said, it's just a sliver of 939 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:18,360 Speaker 2: the season. It's just weeks thirteen through seventeen. Sunday Night Football. 940 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 2: That flex scheduling, that's from weeks five through seventeen, so 941 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,040 Speaker 2: we have a lot more flexibility over there on Sunday Night. 942 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 2: How about this the emergency third quarterback. This is the 943 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 2: San Francisco forty nine er rule right there. They hit 944 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,400 Speaker 2: it ran out of actual quarterbacks of the NFC title 945 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,880 Speaker 2: game against the Eagles and Christian McCaffrey was behind center. 946 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,239 Speaker 2: So this is you have an emergency third quarterback. It 947 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,279 Speaker 2: doesn't count against your active roster. You don't have to 948 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,920 Speaker 2: set aside an extra roster spot for this emergency third quarterback. 949 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,600 Speaker 2: But in case of an emergency where you gotta break 950 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 2: the glass, your first two QBS went down, you will 951 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 2: actually have a quarterback playing QB. 952 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,160 Speaker 3: This is no doubt. 953 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 2: This is a no brainer, complete thumbs up across the 954 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:08,000 Speaker 2: board on this one. 955 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 956 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,279 Speaker 5: I mean, if we're gonna keep on the theme of 957 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,800 Speaker 5: movie critics here, I'll do the John Levitz critic that 958 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 5: that Philadelphia Eagles forty nine ers game it stinks after that, 959 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 5: that was a terrible watch. I mean, when when you 960 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 5: have a noodle arm quarterback coming back in the game, 961 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,479 Speaker 5: sacrificing his health to finish out a game because there's 962 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,279 Speaker 5: no better options to put under center, like, you know, 963 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,480 Speaker 5: potentially getting another star player hurt on your roster who 964 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,080 Speaker 5: doesn't know how to play quarterback, as opposed to having 965 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 5: a third emergency quarterback. I think this rule change was needed. 966 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,160 Speaker 5: I think it's going to make for better storylines. Let's 967 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,320 Speaker 5: think about it, guys. Brock Perdy was a third string quarterback. 968 00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,359 Speaker 5: He is a competent NFL starter. He's proven that Dak 969 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 5: Prescott was once a third string quarterback. 970 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,280 Speaker 3: He is now a forty million dollar man in this league. 971 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,719 Speaker 5: Joe Flacco, if we want to go back, was a 972 00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:10,720 Speaker 5: third string quarterback. 973 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,920 Speaker 3: Tom Brady was a third string quarterback. 974 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,000 Speaker 5: The depth chart on the quarterback chart especially has proven 975 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,640 Speaker 5: to net Hall of famers at times. So I don't 976 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,040 Speaker 5: know it's it's a good rule. I think it should 977 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,560 Speaker 5: have been instituted sooner. I don't know why it wasn't. 978 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 5: I don't think anybody would have many complaints about it. 979 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,440 Speaker 5: I'm a huge fan of this. Two thumbs way up. 980 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:34,600 Speaker 1: It's common sense. 981 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,759 Speaker 4: This isn't even a rule change, Like this is literally 982 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,080 Speaker 4: common sense. It's like when Buster Posey got his legs 983 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:46,000 Speaker 4: snapped because guys were trucking people at home plate, and 984 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,560 Speaker 4: the next year they're like, you know what, we're gonna 985 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,279 Speaker 4: try to take this out of the game because. 986 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,520 Speaker 1: It's it's it just doesn't make sense, right. It just 987 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:52,400 Speaker 1: it's common sense. 988 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,560 Speaker 4: Like we've evolved past this point of sports where we're 989 00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,640 Speaker 4: just gonna let these catchers just get hung out the 990 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,799 Speaker 4: dry at home play. Well, I think the same thing 991 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 4: could be said about the quarterbacks, like we're just not 992 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,840 Speaker 4: gonna let these guys get hung out to dry anymore. 993 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 4: And if there's an issue, we're not gonna make our 994 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,400 Speaker 4: third string quarterback aka the punter. Like when I was 995 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,000 Speaker 4: a Jets fan growing up, it was Tom tupa remember 996 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:13,399 Speaker 4: that name. 997 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, emergency situation. 998 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 4: Let's send the punter in to play quarterback for for 999 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,040 Speaker 4: Bill Parcells's Jets. 1000 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,800 Speaker 1: Just a completely different vibe. 1001 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,120 Speaker 4: In today's game, you have to have someone playing that 1002 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,480 Speaker 4: position with a shred of competence or else. 1003 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:28,919 Speaker 1: The game's over. 1004 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,239 Speaker 4: You might as well just stop the game right there 1005 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,360 Speaker 4: and move on, because you're not gonna move the football 1006 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,719 Speaker 4: in today's day and age with a running back or 1007 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,359 Speaker 4: a punter or the guy, the hot dog stand guy 1008 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:40,719 Speaker 4: coming in to play quarterback for you. 1009 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,600 Speaker 2: I was a big Reggie Robie fan. There you go 1010 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:45,759 Speaker 2: there in his wristwatch. 1011 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:46,239 Speaker 3: You know. 1012 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,319 Speaker 4: I used to have a Tom tupa like screen my 1013 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,080 Speaker 4: screen name growing up. You speak tupas how much I 1014 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,280 Speaker 4: love that guy? I mean, how often was the punter 1015 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:55,760 Speaker 4: like the third string quarterback? 1016 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,279 Speaker 1: He was like everything for you right there? Yeah three Jets. 1017 00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,040 Speaker 2: By the way, think about this real fast is Think 1018 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,560 Speaker 2: about Brock Perdy and Josh Johnson getting hurt in that 1019 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,160 Speaker 2: NFC title game for the forty nine ers, and now 1020 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,400 Speaker 2: you get this rule change. 1021 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:14,000 Speaker 3: Think how many jobs that's going to open up, right like. 1022 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,000 Speaker 1: Running for president here America. First job. 1023 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,800 Speaker 3: It's just crazy, It's crazy. What that's led to it. 1024 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,680 Speaker 3: It's a necessary change. Good for the economy. 1025 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,680 Speaker 1: It's for the football economy. 1026 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,520 Speaker 3: No one, okay, I'll give you a two for one 1027 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,280 Speaker 3: NBA combo. 1028 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,080 Speaker 1: Platter over to vote for America right there. 1029 00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:32,200 Speaker 3: How about these two? 1030 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,520 Speaker 2: So you got a potential rule change where it's two challenges. 1031 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,000 Speaker 2: If your first challenge is successful, you get another one 1032 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:42,960 Speaker 2: that would potentially start next season. 1033 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,880 Speaker 3: And then also the flop rule. If you get busted flopping, 1034 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,320 Speaker 3: it's a technical foul, it's a free throw. 1035 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,439 Speaker 2: Might get a trial run at the summer league. I'll 1036 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,319 Speaker 2: go rapid fire. First off, the flopping rule double thumbs up. 1037 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,319 Speaker 2: If you get busted flopping, technical free throw is gonna 1038 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,160 Speaker 2: cut down on flopping significantly. 1039 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,520 Speaker 3: Love it. As far as the new challenge rule thumbs down, 1040 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:07,560 Speaker 3: thumbs down. 1041 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 2: If you get an extra challenge, I'm not gonna go 1042 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,520 Speaker 2: kicking and screaming into the night. But what's gonna happen. 1043 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,360 Speaker 2: You're gonna have that first challenge in the first quarter. 1044 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,680 Speaker 2: You don't have to hold on to it. The strategy 1045 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:18,480 Speaker 2: is different. 1046 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,760 Speaker 3: I don't like it. I like just the one challenge 1047 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:21,520 Speaker 3: and keep it moving. 1048 00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, you nailed it. I love the flop rule. I 1049 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,560 Speaker 5: think it's one of the worst parts of basketball right now. 1050 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,719 Speaker 5: Get rid of that as soon as you possibly can, 1051 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,759 Speaker 5: because I actually think it's starting to stain y legacies. 1052 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,320 Speaker 3: Look at how we view Lebron James. Oh yeah, I mean. 1053 00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:43,320 Speaker 5: Lebron James is inarguably one of, if not the greatest 1054 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,680 Speaker 5: player to ever play this sport, and in an indelible 1055 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,640 Speaker 5: legacy of his career is going to be how he 1056 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,880 Speaker 5: tries so hard to sell fouls. It's annoying to watch 1057 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,239 Speaker 5: and I'm not even blaming it. It's like kind of like, 1058 00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,480 Speaker 5: don't hate the player, hate the game. Well, it's nauseating 1059 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,080 Speaker 5: to watch the play do it, but it's a part 1060 00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,520 Speaker 5: of the game. So get rid of the flop as 1061 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,120 Speaker 5: soon as possible, and then challenges I'm with you anything 1062 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,520 Speaker 5: that's slowing down sports, so we could pay more attention 1063 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,600 Speaker 5: to the guys who are doing an awful job wearing 1064 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,720 Speaker 5: long pants and referee shoes. 1065 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's hard pass, hard pass referee shoes. Those are 1066 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,400 Speaker 4: not going to be the hot sellers on the Nike shelves. 1067 00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,520 Speaker 4: I think anytime soon. I think I agree with. 1068 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:24,879 Speaker 1: You, guys. 1069 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,960 Speaker 4: I don't think I'm as passionate about either of these rules. Like, 1070 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,319 Speaker 4: I think the flop rule is obviously an issue. I 1071 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,160 Speaker 4: think we're starting to address it. If you want to 1072 00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:33,799 Speaker 4: up the any a little bit and make it a 1073 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,080 Speaker 4: te short, it's one free throw. They do the same 1074 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,399 Speaker 4: thing for a defensive three second. Like, I don't think 1075 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,279 Speaker 4: it's gonna prevent it too much from happening, but it 1076 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,000 Speaker 4: will prevent it a little bit more, and that's the 1077 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:43,480 Speaker 4: end goal. 1078 00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:45,640 Speaker 1: The challenge rule, I don't know. 1079 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,680 Speaker 4: I I'm a little more neutral on it than you guys, 1080 00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,000 Speaker 4: because I do think there's still strategy involved. You're not 1081 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,439 Speaker 4: gonna waste your challenge on something frivolous in the first 1082 00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,640 Speaker 4: quarter because then you lose it and it's gone. It 1083 00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,600 Speaker 4: still has to be a winning challenge, So maybe there's. 1084 00:54:58,560 --> 00:54:59,160 Speaker 1: A little bit. 1085 00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,520 Speaker 4: You know, more is selectiveness, and I like things where 1086 00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,280 Speaker 4: the coaches have to think. I do like adding wrinkles 1087 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,200 Speaker 4: to the game that makes the coaches think a little 1088 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,480 Speaker 4: bit more. So I'm curious to see if either coaches 1089 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,040 Speaker 4: or certain players that you know, cry for, hey, challenge 1090 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:16,719 Speaker 4: this coach. 1091 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,279 Speaker 1: You know, if that changes a little bit. 1092 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,480 Speaker 4: But yeah, in general, I agree, I do think it 1093 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,279 Speaker 4: does slow the game down a little bit, so maybe 1094 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:23,800 Speaker 4: I'm a little more neutral on it than you guys. 1095 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,000 Speaker 3: They got to work on that green light, man, you know, yeah, 1096 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:27,640 Speaker 3: that's weird light. 1097 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,240 Speaker 4: It's like somebody just want the jackpot at the casino 1098 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:31,360 Speaker 4: and the slot machine. 1099 00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,400 Speaker 3: The challenges over strange. 1100 00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,600 Speaker 2: They've reversed it or confirmed the call and they're starting 1101 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:38,439 Speaker 2: to play and. 1102 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,560 Speaker 3: The light is still blinking. They're guys at the free throw. 1103 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,439 Speaker 1: Live, why why need the light? 1104 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,160 Speaker 4: Like the coach challenges every the raphic knowledge is it, like, 1105 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,600 Speaker 4: why do we need like a flashing light that says 1106 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:52,759 Speaker 4: that makes no sense? 1107 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,080 Speaker 1: Blinking It's still makes very strange. I agree, the flashing 1108 00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,480 Speaker 1: light needs to go very strange. 1109 00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,680 Speaker 2: We've got Rich Ornberger, Penn State All American back with us. 1110 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,719 Speaker 2: Feels good. Jared Smith FSR betting analyst. 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Bundle and save at Progressive dot com. Okay, Ornberger, 1121 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,720 Speaker 2: I'm gonna start with the positive over here. We're circling 1122 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,600 Speaker 2: back to Patrick Mahomes. He unveiled his top five quarterbacks 1123 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,799 Speaker 2: of all time. He goes Brady number one, followed by 1124 00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:56,640 Speaker 2: Peyton Rogers, Joe Montana number four, and then either Dan 1125 00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,960 Speaker 2: Marino or John Elway number five. 1126 00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,880 Speaker 3: You said that you've got the same top five, except 1127 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,520 Speaker 3: you put Mahomes in in there at number five instead 1128 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:06,880 Speaker 3: of Marino or John Elway. 1129 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna start with that. That makes a lot 1130 00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,799 Speaker 2: of sense. He's only twenty seven years old. To MVPs two, 1131 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:16,360 Speaker 2: Super Bowl, MVPs two rings like, he's been sensational here, 1132 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,120 Speaker 2: so I get that. I want to go in on 1133 00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,960 Speaker 2: this though. Montana with his four rings is fourth. 1134 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:23,600 Speaker 3: What is that? 1135 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,720 Speaker 5: Woo oh no no no, no, no, no no no, Montana 1136 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:33,720 Speaker 5: gets bumped up my list. Montana probably look, Tom Brady's 1137 00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:39,000 Speaker 5: my number one, Montana is my number two. I would 1138 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:44,040 Speaker 5: then I would then file in Peyton Manning at number three. 1139 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,760 Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes actually is my number four, and Aaron Rodgers is. 1140 00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,840 Speaker 3: My number one. I don't mind that at all. Yeah, 1141 00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:50,520 Speaker 3: that's my list. 1142 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,080 Speaker 5: Give it to me one more time here, Okay. So 1143 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,600 Speaker 5: it goes like this, Tom Brady goat number one, eighty 1144 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:59,720 Speaker 5: one Montana former goat also also also clutch number two. 1145 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,680 Speaker 5: Then we go down to Peyton Manning the sheriff number 1146 00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,960 Speaker 5: three ring with two different teams, obviously historically great. Then 1147 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,920 Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes still a lot of tread left on the 1148 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,920 Speaker 5: tires so he could move up this list boys. And 1149 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,560 Speaker 5: then we go number five, Aaron Rodgers. 1150 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,760 Speaker 3: I like this. I think that's a really solid top 1151 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:23,400 Speaker 3: five right there. 1152 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:28,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, so Marino doesn't make it, some of the other 1153 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,880 Speaker 4: guys that was on Patty's list don't make it. 1154 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:37,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know Lway I took. I put Lway 1155 00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:38,520 Speaker 2: over Rogers right now? 1156 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I might too. I don't know. 1157 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,720 Speaker 4: I mean, maybe the Jets with Rogers will change my 1158 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:45,800 Speaker 4: mind in a few months. 1159 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:50,120 Speaker 1: But let's just leave it is. Can we leave it is? 1160 00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,720 Speaker 4: If Aaron Rodgers takes the Jets to a Super Bowl, 1161 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:57,640 Speaker 4: he goes to number one. If you can break that curse, 1162 00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:02,200 Speaker 4: you are you are touched from God, my friend. I 1163 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,160 Speaker 4: think I agree with Rich's I mean, yeah, I think 1164 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,840 Speaker 4: you can make a case that maybe you swap Lway 1165 00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,400 Speaker 4: and Rogers. But it's not like it's not like I'm 1166 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,600 Speaker 4: putting Lway in the top three, right, Like I think 1167 00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,760 Speaker 4: the top two I am locked in on one hundred percent. 1168 00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,880 Speaker 4: I think that's really where the list starts and ends. 1169 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,600 Speaker 4: And then you can, obviously, the further down the list 1170 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,120 Speaker 4: you go, you could obviously make little tweaks. Maybe you 1171 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,840 Speaker 4: put Mahomes ahead of Peyton if he wins another Super Bowl, right, 1172 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:34,120 Speaker 4: But I don't I can't really gawk at this list 1173 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:34,480 Speaker 4: too much. 1174 00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,760 Speaker 2: Rich I thought interesting to me is that Peyton Manning 1175 00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,560 Speaker 2: is bulletproof in ways that other players with similar resumes 1176 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:44,880 Speaker 2: wouldn't be interesting. 1177 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:45,560 Speaker 3: If you look at. 1178 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,440 Speaker 2: Peyton Manning, he is outstanding in the regular season. You 1179 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,600 Speaker 2: get no argument from me. He is I think the 1180 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:56,200 Speaker 2: greatest regular season quarterback in NFL history. His numbers back 1181 00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,919 Speaker 2: it up. But when you get to the postseason, there's 1182 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,960 Speaker 2: a lot left. He desired had the one ring beating 1183 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,800 Speaker 2: the Bears. You know, Danielle Manning the safety forgot to 1184 01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,240 Speaker 2: cover Reggie Wayne and he hooked up with him, and 1185 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,840 Speaker 2: you have the Devin Hester return and Game two. 1186 01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:13,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, people rain the whole thing. 1187 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:18,000 Speaker 2: Then you had Von Miller carrying him to his other championship. 1188 01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,360 Speaker 2: He had the four interception game against the Patriots, he 1189 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:25,200 Speaker 2: had to pick six to lose the game against the Saints, 1190 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,000 Speaker 2: he had an overtime interception against the Ravens. Like, if 1191 01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,760 Speaker 2: that's another player, if that's an NBA player, greatest regular 1192 01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:37,160 Speaker 2: season guy has two rings, his team carried him to 1193 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,120 Speaker 2: one of those two and he is just wetting all 1194 01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,600 Speaker 2: over himself postseason after postseason, we would be vilifying that guy. 1195 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,520 Speaker 3: Somehow, Peyton Manning escapes all that. 1196 01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:51,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I think for me, where Peyton Manning 1197 01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:57,040 Speaker 5: ascends this list and really cements himself at number three 1198 01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,560 Speaker 5: as the fact that he's won those two Super with 1199 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:05,040 Speaker 5: two different teams. And as you mentioned, it's impossible, I 1200 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:09,160 Speaker 5: shouldn't say impossible. It's hard to find another quarterback who 1201 01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:10,960 Speaker 5: has the sort of career. 1202 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,640 Speaker 3: Stats that Peyton Manning has put. 1203 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,280 Speaker 5: Together with a variety of different cast members and two 1204 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:20,200 Speaker 5: different franchises. Patrick Mahomes, who he's done already. Like I said, 1205 01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,440 Speaker 5: can can move him up the list easily if he 1206 01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:29,360 Speaker 5: continues to add to this already unbelievable resume. 1207 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,440 Speaker 3: In fact, I will say this though, if say the Chiefs. 1208 01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:35,840 Speaker 5: You know, they don't have a down year that make 1209 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,360 Speaker 5: the playoffs, have an early exit something like that this 1210 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,640 Speaker 5: upcoming season, and Aaron Rodgers does win a super Bowl 1211 01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:45,320 Speaker 5: with the Jets in his first year, he very quickly 1212 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,080 Speaker 5: becomes my number four because I give a tremendous amount 1213 01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:50,880 Speaker 5: of respect to a guy who's played as well as 1214 01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,160 Speaker 5: he's done over his career and again won a Super 1215 01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:58,080 Speaker 5: Bowl with two different franchises. That's really difficult to do. 1216 01:01:58,240 --> 01:01:58,640 Speaker 3: Gentlemen. 1217 01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:00,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, you did this too me a couple of weeks ago. 1218 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,160 Speaker 4: Rich You got me all giddy about the Jets and Rogers. 1219 01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,400 Speaker 4: He did the Vince McMahon, Giff Jiff whatever. 1220 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:08,640 Speaker 1: How that? 1221 01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,760 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, now you know the calf injury, we'll see. 1222 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,520 Speaker 4: I know it's it's very early in the in the tenure, 1223 01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:21,200 Speaker 4: but the honeymoon stage might be ending quickly, is kind 1224 01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:25,439 Speaker 4: of my point. If Aaron Rodgers wins a Super Bowl 1225 01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,760 Speaker 4: with the Jets in year one, I think he should 1226 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,920 Speaker 4: get a temporary status like just like Michael Block's temporary 1227 01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:36,160 Speaker 4: tour membership, which might be short lived, of number one 1228 01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,960 Speaker 4: on the list for one season, Like I just I 1229 01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:43,120 Speaker 4: think the just doing that and and and taking the demons, 1230 01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,360 Speaker 4: all the demons there in East Rutherford and and and 1231 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,080 Speaker 4: throwing them to the wayside and the swamps of Jersey 1232 01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,640 Speaker 4: and and getting that team to a super Bowl would 1233 01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,760 Speaker 4: be just incredible. Listen, Marino and l Way, I think 1234 01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:58,440 Speaker 4: those guys came up together right first in that draft, 1235 01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,680 Speaker 4: in the same draft, yep. And those two I think 1236 01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,480 Speaker 4: are linked, like I would put the City because always 1237 01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,120 Speaker 4: won the Super Bowls and had the postseason success. 1238 01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,520 Speaker 1: Marino had all the regular season success. 1239 01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,880 Speaker 4: I know most of the time we prefer the postseason success, 1240 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,560 Speaker 4: but let's be honest, those Dolphins teams were really, really good, 1241 01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,919 Speaker 4: and they were breaths away and certain times from winning 1242 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,440 Speaker 4: super Bowls in that era. It just didn't quite work 1243 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,120 Speaker 4: out for Dan. But man oh man, those two guys 1244 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,000 Speaker 4: I think together. It's it's weird to have a quarterback 1245 01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,520 Speaker 4: list and not have those two on it. 1246 01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,080 Speaker 1: But you've got guys that are still playing today. 1247 01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,720 Speaker 4: Mahomes, Rogers, Brady just retired, and Peyton Manning just retired, 1248 01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,640 Speaker 4: that have all surpassed him already on on Rich's list. 1249 01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,800 Speaker 4: It's just it's interesting to see how the game has 1250 01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,160 Speaker 4: changed so much and how so many Like I don't 1251 01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,200 Speaker 4: know if this would happen in Major League Baseball, Like, 1252 01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,480 Speaker 4: are all the best players, four out of the top five, 1253 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,240 Speaker 4: three out of the top five best players in baseball? 1254 01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:53,920 Speaker 1: Are they? Are they active today? 1255 01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,680 Speaker 4: I don't know if it's the same like it just 1256 01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,560 Speaker 4: I guess it kind of speaks to the type of 1257 01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,640 Speaker 4: evolution the sport has gone through over the last twenty years. 1258 01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does speak to And I'm not taking 1259 01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,720 Speaker 2: all credit away from these present day quarterbacks because Mahomes 1260 01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,960 Speaker 2: is sensational. He's not simply the byproduct of rule changes. 1261 01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:13,120 Speaker 3: You know what I mean. 1262 01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,720 Speaker 2: But it's way more wide open offensively, which I would 1263 01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,920 Speaker 2: I'm not deducting points from the present day guys, and 1264 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:19,520 Speaker 2: I don't think. 1265 01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:20,000 Speaker 3: You are either. 1266 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:24,800 Speaker 2: I would give more credit to the before era guys. Yeah, 1267 01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,360 Speaker 2: Marino's thrown for five thousand yards and eighty four. 1268 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,760 Speaker 4: Dan f sawback like these guys that were just icons 1269 01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,880 Speaker 4: in the seventies in that time when offense. 1270 01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,560 Speaker 1: Was not what it is today. The rules were not 1271 01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:38,440 Speaker 1: what they are today. 1272 01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:39,439 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1273 01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:43,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's amazing how far the game has come in 1274 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:47,520 Speaker 5: certain ways and how different the game is now. I mean, 1275 01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,920 Speaker 5: don't get me wrong, I am. I am definitely more 1276 01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:55,440 Speaker 5: a fan of the game progressing and becoming more in 1277 01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,040 Speaker 5: line with the values of the day it's played in 1278 01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,240 Speaker 5: as opposed to holding onto the past, because that's been 1279 01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,640 Speaker 5: my common complaint, and I feel like it's a refrain 1280 01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,240 Speaker 5: you hear from a lot of fans of sports that 1281 01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,080 Speaker 5: it's hard to get into baseball because it doesn't feel 1282 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:14,080 Speaker 5: like it's kept up with the times. So the NFL 1283 01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,360 Speaker 5: these changes that have been made to make the quarterback 1284 01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,720 Speaker 5: position quote unquote easier to play. I know it's not easy, 1285 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,640 Speaker 5: but easier than perhaps it once was. You don't have 1286 01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,680 Speaker 5: a lot less to worry about in terms of your 1287 01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:29,000 Speaker 5: personal safety playing quarterback. How hard you're going to be hit, 1288 01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,120 Speaker 5: where you're going to be hit. The receivers aren't getting 1289 01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,240 Speaker 5: molested at the line of scrimmage the way they used 1290 01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,720 Speaker 5: to are slammed over the middle. So it's a lot 1291 01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,520 Speaker 5: easier of a game from those standpoints to navigate as 1292 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:45,760 Speaker 5: a quarterback. But you do kind of have to hold 1293 01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:50,400 Speaker 5: that against the former pros when you look at the 1294 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,760 Speaker 5: numbers now, because it's impossible not to, you know, I 1295 01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:57,560 Speaker 5: know it's a completely different game. And I know even 1296 01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,760 Speaker 5: the game I grew up watching looked vast different than 1297 01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,919 Speaker 5: the game we're watching here in twenty twenty three. 1298 01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,680 Speaker 3: But but you know, that's what we do. 1299 01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,680 Speaker 5: We make comparisons where human beings and so a lot 1300 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:12,120 Speaker 5: of those unitises are stawbucks. They're gonna be left behind 1301 01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,680 Speaker 5: and they're gonna be remembered in just almost like a 1302 01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,240 Speaker 5: different bracket of quarterback. 1303 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you dip your toe in the 1304 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,880 Speaker 2: what if waters, it can be interesting just for a 1305 01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:26,200 Speaker 2: bit where if you think, hey, what if Marino was 1306 01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,480 Speaker 2: the Niners quarterback? Yeah right, and what if Montana was 1307 01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:30,720 Speaker 2: on the dophars l Way. 1308 01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:31,360 Speaker 1: On the Dolphins. 1309 01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:35,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, portally different vibe on that those Dolphins teams. 1310 01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,520 Speaker 2: Think present day Brock Purdy got a lot of flowers 1311 01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:42,840 Speaker 2: last season. If he's the Houston Texans quarterback, he getting flowers, you. 1312 01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,520 Speaker 3: Know what I mean. Like, if you just dip your 1313 01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,080 Speaker 3: toe in those waters, kind of interesting. 1314 01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:47,959 Speaker 4: But Ma Homes on the Jets, come on, just do it, guys, 1315 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:49,800 Speaker 4: do it there, You totally. 1316 01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:54,040 Speaker 2: Different vibe right, necessary change right there, you talk about 1317 01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:55,400 Speaker 2: totally different vibe. 1318 01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,360 Speaker 3: That would not be the case with this man. 1319 01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:03,120 Speaker 2: It is the same outstanding, stupendous vibe every single time. 1320 01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,320 Speaker 2: And he goes by the name of Isaac Lowencron. 1321 01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,400 Speaker 11: I appreciate that very much. Especially when you started to 1322 01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:13,160 Speaker 11: say Stu, you said Pendus instead of what I thought 1323 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,920 Speaker 11: you were going to say. So I appreciate that a 1324 01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:16,439 Speaker 11: great deal. 1325 01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,840 Speaker 10: It's not usually like that a lot of the times 1326 01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,880 Speaker 10: around off air activities when it comes to me. In 1327 01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,680 Speaker 10: Major League Baseball, On Friday night, Fellas the Boston Red 1328 01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:26,959 Speaker 10: Sox broke a four game losing streak with a seven 1329 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:31,640 Speaker 10: to two victory at Arizona. The Oakland A's they lost 1330 01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,520 Speaker 10: again the Houston a The Houston Astros beat him, five 1331 01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,440 Speaker 10: to two. Oakland's record is ten and forty three. That 1332 01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,480 Speaker 10: is the most losses through fifty three games for any 1333 01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:46,080 Speaker 10: major League team since nineteen hundred the Pittsburgh Pirates. Meanwhile, 1334 01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:49,000 Speaker 10: he had seven home runs for just the third time 1335 01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,600 Speaker 10: since nineteen hundred and at eleven sixth victory at Seattle, 1336 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,840 Speaker 10: Jorge Solaire of the Miami Marlins homer for a fourth 1337 01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:57,480 Speaker 10: trade game of their six to two win over the 1338 01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,800 Speaker 10: Angels in Anaheim. The Tampa Bay Rays improved their major 1339 01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,280 Speaker 10: league best record to thirty eight and fifteen with a 1340 01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,400 Speaker 10: nine to three victory over the Dodgers in their first 1341 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,880 Speaker 10: meeting since the twenty twenty World Series. The Texas Rangers 1342 01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,080 Speaker 10: won at Baltimore twelve to two. They scored eight on 1343 01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,640 Speaker 10: the fourth, including a Corey Seeger grand slam. Juan Soto 1344 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,840 Speaker 10: and Fernando Tatis Junior of the Padres both hit home 1345 01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:21,000 Speaker 10: runs and a Yankee Stadium's second deck as San Diego 1346 01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,479 Speaker 10: beat the Yankees five to one. Max Scherzer struck out 1347 01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,840 Speaker 10: eight and seven innings with no walks, getting the win. 1348 01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:30,280 Speaker 10: As the Mets victorious at Colorado five to two. Francisco 1349 01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:33,600 Speaker 10: Lindora home run four RBI and Craig Kimberl of the 1350 01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,479 Speaker 10: Phillies became the eighth pitcher in major league history to 1351 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,240 Speaker 10: record four hundred saves in their six to four victory 1352 01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:42,360 Speaker 10: at Atlanta. Coming up tonight at eight thirty Eastern, it's 1353 01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,799 Speaker 10: Game six of the NBA's Eastern Conference Finals from Miami, 1354 01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,959 Speaker 10: with the Heat leading the Boston Celtics three games to two. Finally, 1355 01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:55,439 Speaker 10: I just found a must follow on Twitter. It's at 1356 01:08:55,880 --> 01:09:02,639 Speaker 10: Ornberger at Ornberger, among the fantastic content you'll find there. 1357 01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,960 Speaker 10: In response to the news of the Arizona Cardinals releasing 1358 01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:11,200 Speaker 10: DeAndre Hopkins yesterday, he posted a gift of a cute 1359 01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,519 Speaker 10: dog holding up a cell phone to its ear with 1360 01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:19,599 Speaker 10: the caption, Aaron Rodgers RN dot dot dot back to you. 1361 01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:21,320 Speaker 3: Thank you. 1362 01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:21,720 Speaker 1: I Low. 1363 01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,559 Speaker 2: It's Fox Sports Saturday right here on Fox Sports Radio. 1364 01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,840 Speaker 2: At the end of your first year, Discover credit cards 1365 01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,720 Speaker 2: automatically double all the cash back you've earned. That's right, 1366 01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,519 Speaker 2: everything you earned doubled. Seriously see terms and check it 1367 01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:36,479 Speaker 2: out for yourself at discover dot com. Slash match. I 1368 01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,880 Speaker 2: wanted to throw some audio at you, guys. This is 1369 01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,599 Speaker 2: one of the worst statements I've ever heard in my life. 1370 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,160 Speaker 2: But it is hysterical. It's awful and hysterical at the 1371 01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,400 Speaker 2: same time. So this is Rod Brendamore. He is the 1372 01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:52,400 Speaker 2: head coach of the Carolina Hurricanes. I'm going puck on you. Okay, okay, 1373 01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:58,839 Speaker 2: So Carolina they got swept. They lost four games to nothing, 1374 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:03,280 Speaker 2: the definition of a sweep against the Florida Panthers. So 1375 01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:07,680 Speaker 2: this is the Hurricanes head coach talking about getting swept. 1376 01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:09,800 Speaker 2: Very interesting logic here, check it out. 1377 01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:13,200 Speaker 12: That's the unfortunate part of this is he's gonna look 1378 01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:15,679 Speaker 12: back and everyone's gonna say, you got swept, and that's 1379 01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:19,040 Speaker 12: not what happened. I watched the game. I'm there, I'm 1380 01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:22,439 Speaker 12: cutting the game. We're in the game that we didn't get. 1381 01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,200 Speaker 12: We didn't lose four games. 1382 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:25,120 Speaker 3: We got to beat. 1383 01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,439 Speaker 12: But it's you know, we were right there and I 1384 01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:29,960 Speaker 12: just could have went the other way and we could 1385 01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:31,720 Speaker 12: have been four games the other way. 1386 01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:36,600 Speaker 3: What the hell is that? That is so unhockey. 1387 01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,439 Speaker 2: I couldn't come up with anything that's more unhockey than 1388 01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:42,200 Speaker 2: that is. We didn't get swept, we didn't lose. I mean, 1389 01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,479 Speaker 2: I mean, technically that's exactly what happened, But that's not 1390 01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:45,160 Speaker 2: what happened. 1391 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:46,719 Speaker 3: What is he talking about? 1392 01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:52,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, to me, when you when you corner a scared animal, 1393 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,759 Speaker 5: you know, occasionally you get you get a weird reaction. 1394 01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:02,000 Speaker 5: You know, I watched this video, you know, of a 1395 01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,719 Speaker 5: predatory bird. You know, it might have been a hawk 1396 01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:10,240 Speaker 5: or something like that. Yeah, slam into a screen door. Okay, 1397 01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,000 Speaker 5: this woman was dog walking and all of a sudden, 1398 01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,120 Speaker 5: I mean, this bird, which by the way the dog 1399 01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,160 Speaker 5: she was walking could have very easily just scooped up 1400 01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,280 Speaker 5: her dog and taken it away with it. But it 1401 01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:25,120 Speaker 5: was in danger, right, it was. It was stuck in 1402 01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,719 Speaker 5: this screen she was walking by. This wasn't even her house. 1403 01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,320 Speaker 5: So she ties her dog to a mailbox post. She 1404 01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,719 Speaker 5: goes and helps this bird out, and the bird doesn't 1405 01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,200 Speaker 5: act like a bird of prey. It acts like a 1406 01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:41,040 Speaker 5: pet all of a sudden, It's docile, right, It's like 1407 01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:46,200 Speaker 5: it's like she's like cooing this vicious raptor from the 1408 01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:52,880 Speaker 5: skies as she's unhitching its talons from this and then yeah, 1409 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:54,960 Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure the bird was concussed. We should get 1410 01:11:54,960 --> 01:12:00,160 Speaker 5: in the protocol. It was sitting there on these wobbly legs. 1411 01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,760 Speaker 5: She's walking away from this porch after helping it out, and. 1412 01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:05,559 Speaker 3: I was thinking to myself, like, this is what. 1413 01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,960 Speaker 5: Happens when people are in danger sometimes too, Like instead 1414 01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,000 Speaker 5: of getting the reaction you think you're gonna get, like 1415 01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:15,439 Speaker 5: an angry person after an embarrassing loss, there are times 1416 01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:18,400 Speaker 5: where you get responses like this because when you're in 1417 01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:22,080 Speaker 5: fight or flight, sometimes you're you're stuck in between. 1418 01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:23,400 Speaker 3: And that's what this felt like to me. 1419 01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:27,280 Speaker 5: This commentary was very much the Hawks slammed into the screen. 1420 01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:28,519 Speaker 3: Now what do I do. 1421 01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,599 Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna start using this logic for all 1422 01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:33,679 Speaker 4: my gambling losses. 1423 01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,120 Speaker 1: I lose that bet, guys. 1424 01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,000 Speaker 4: It was it was taken from us in a unfair way, 1425 01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,360 Speaker 4: and I'm gonna put it down on my on my 1426 01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,800 Speaker 4: spreadsheet as a win or as a push because I 1427 01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,720 Speaker 4: don't think we loll I mean, I understand that there 1428 01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:54,200 Speaker 4: might be some psychological methods of coping at play here, 1429 01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,679 Speaker 4: right to to try not to throw, or who knows, 1430 01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,040 Speaker 4: maybe there's something that happened behind the scenes right before 1431 01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:01,679 Speaker 4: this interview. 1432 01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,160 Speaker 1: There's a little tension behind the scenes, perhaps. 1433 01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,400 Speaker 4: With the front office with this, but I don't know 1434 01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,519 Speaker 4: the full context. I actually didn't even hear this quote 1435 01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,080 Speaker 4: until you guys played it in the morning. I don't 1436 01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,120 Speaker 4: even know that he said this, because let's be honest, 1437 01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,320 Speaker 4: once a team gets eliminated from the NHL postseason, the 1438 01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,160 Speaker 4: NHL post season itself is not something I spend a 1439 01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:20,880 Speaker 4: ton of time focusing. 1440 01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:21,080 Speaker 1: On every day. 1441 01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:25,120 Speaker 4: But when you look at this particular situation, it is 1442 01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:29,640 Speaker 4: surprising because I take hockey players at more of a 1443 01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,719 Speaker 4: face value. Hey, this is the reality of what happened. 1444 01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:34,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna grow from it. We're gonna learn from it, 1445 01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:35,479 Speaker 1: We're gonna get better. 1446 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,000 Speaker 4: It is a bit off color for what a hockey 1447 01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:42,920 Speaker 4: coach normally uses as as rhetoric for his for. 1448 01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,920 Speaker 1: His speaking engagement. So a little bit surprising. 1449 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,280 Speaker 4: But again, I'm gonna see if maybe I'll start using 1450 01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,400 Speaker 4: this logic in my gambling losses and people will start 1451 01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:52,679 Speaker 4: giving me the benefit of the doubt. 1452 01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:57,000 Speaker 3: There he goes, zero losses. What was undefeated? 1453 01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:00,719 Speaker 2: Los Hey, this is the LaVar ball all of hockey 1454 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,760 Speaker 2: over here. Rud Brendamore, All right, we've got rich Orenberger, 1455 01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,000 Speaker 2: Penn State, All American. Jared Smith is with us FSR 1456 01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:11,040 Speaker 2: betting analyst. I'm Brian No coming up next. Hatred can 1457 01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:14,960 Speaker 2: sometimes make you a complete idiot. It's Fox Sports Saturday 1458 01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,120 Speaker 2: right here on Fox Sports Radio. It is Fox Sports 1459 01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:21,280 Speaker 2: Saturday Live from the Tirack dot Com studios. We're brought 1460 01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:24,559 Speaker 2: to you by a Progressive Insurance. Progressive makes bundling easy 1461 01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:29,400 Speaker 2: and affordable. Get a multi policy discount by combining your motorcycle, RV, boat, 1462 01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:33,400 Speaker 2: ATV and more all your protection in one place, buttle 1463 01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:36,679 Speaker 2: and save at Progressive dot Com. 1464 01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:38,400 Speaker 3: So Scottie Pippen is back at it. 1465 01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:44,479 Speaker 2: Scottie Pippen is not just tugging on Superman's cape, meaning 1466 01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:48,200 Speaker 2: Michael Jordan. He is, My goodness, he's dropping the people's 1467 01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:52,439 Speaker 2: elbow on a Superman over here. He's putting him in 1468 01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:56,200 Speaker 2: the Steiner recliner. It's ridiculous. So this is Scottie Pippen 1469 01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,800 Speaker 2: on Stacy King's Give Me the Hot Sauce Podcast. 1470 01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,160 Speaker 3: Listen to what Pip has to say about Jordan. 1471 01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,120 Speaker 6: Now, Lebron will be the greatest statistical guy to ever 1472 01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,280 Speaker 6: play the game of basketball, and there's no comparison to 1473 01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:12,080 Speaker 6: him none. So does that make him the greatest player 1474 01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,200 Speaker 6: to ever play the game? I'll leave that out for 1475 01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,000 Speaker 6: debatings because I don't believe that there's a great player 1476 01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,559 Speaker 6: because our game is a team game and one player 1477 01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,360 Speaker 6: can't do it. Like I've seen Michael Jordan play before 1478 01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:24,559 Speaker 6: I came to play with the Bulls. You guys seen 1479 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,559 Speaker 6: him play. He's a horrible player. He was horrible to 1480 01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,400 Speaker 6: play with. He was all one on one. He's shooting 1481 01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:34,240 Speaker 6: bad shots, and all of a sudden we become a 1482 01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:37,720 Speaker 6: team and we start winning. Everybody forgot who he was. 1483 01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:42,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, we just forgot We forgot who Jordan was. Over 1484 01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,759 Speaker 2: Now here's the interesting thing about Jordan. There's some the 1485 01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,240 Speaker 2: facts that fly in the face of what Pip was 1486 01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:50,160 Speaker 2: saying right there. And I love Pip, you know, as 1487 01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,599 Speaker 2: a Bulls fan growing up, Jordan Pippen love both those guys. 1488 01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:58,320 Speaker 2: But Jordan led the league in scoring ten times. He 1489 01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,680 Speaker 2: led the league between eighty seven and ninety three, that 1490 01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,960 Speaker 2: seven straight years, and then from ninety six to ninety eight. 1491 01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:09,240 Speaker 2: You might have noticed that six of those years they 1492 01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:14,160 Speaker 2: won championships. Okay, he's leading, not the team, the freaking 1493 01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:17,880 Speaker 2: league in scoring. So all this he was just one 1494 01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,640 Speaker 2: on one before I got here, and then he was 1495 01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,000 Speaker 2: a team guy and we just forgot who he was. 1496 01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:26,360 Speaker 3: It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, I disagree 1497 01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,599 Speaker 3: with what Pippens said. I will say this. 1498 01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:31,840 Speaker 5: I'm a big Scotti fan too, because even though I 1499 01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,760 Speaker 5: grew up in New York, I was, I mean the 1500 01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:39,920 Speaker 5: biggest Chicago Bulls fan. Love Jordan, loved him as an 1501 01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:41,040 Speaker 5: individual athlete. 1502 01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:42,320 Speaker 3: Wanted to be like Mike. 1503 01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,720 Speaker 5: I had the posters, I had the Bulls bedspread. I 1504 01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,599 Speaker 5: was nearly thrown out of my house by my father, 1505 01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:54,200 Speaker 5: who was a lifetime Knicks fan, and these were during 1506 01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:58,679 Speaker 5: the pat Riley you know, John Starks, Patrick Ewing years, 1507 01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,280 Speaker 5: you know, and it was a house divided. I love 1508 01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:07,160 Speaker 5: the Bulls, though, with that Scotty's wrong and it's okay. 1509 01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:11,960 Speaker 5: I know that he's not just speaking from a fax 1510 01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,559 Speaker 5: and stats standpoint. There's a lot of history and some 1511 01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:20,000 Speaker 5: bad blood there, and I know that even what looked 1512 01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:23,439 Speaker 5: like perfect teams aren't perfect. As we learned during the 1513 01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,400 Speaker 5: Jordan documentary, he had a lot to say about his 1514 01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,479 Speaker 5: teammates and about you know, life during that time, and 1515 01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,799 Speaker 5: he got some control of the narrative. Now you're hearing, 1516 01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:36,519 Speaker 5: you know, Scottie bark Back had a lot of that narrative. 1517 01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,120 Speaker 5: And I don't I don't care where they're at from 1518 01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,840 Speaker 5: a personal standpoint, that's their own, that's their own deal. 1519 01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,160 Speaker 5: But watching those games through my own eyes, and I 1520 01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:48,519 Speaker 5: watched a lot of Bulls games growing up, Michael Jordan 1521 01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:52,679 Speaker 5: was the Goods. Michael Jordan is, if not the greatest 1522 01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:54,760 Speaker 5: player to ever play, number two on the list of 1523 01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:56,160 Speaker 5: all time, he's number one. 1524 01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,000 Speaker 3: I look, I love Jordan. 1525 01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:03,599 Speaker 5: I am so amazed with Lebron James I've never seen 1526 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,920 Speaker 5: I've never seen a human being that size, be that 1527 01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,519 Speaker 5: athletic and do what he's been able to accomplish, especially 1528 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,000 Speaker 5: during a time where the NBA oddly is trying to 1529 01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,800 Speaker 5: share the wealth. Jordan got a lot of the accolades, 1530 01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:19,360 Speaker 5: you know, Defensive Player of the Year and and MVPs 1531 01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:24,040 Speaker 5: and stuff. Lebron James arguably could have had more of 1532 01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:27,200 Speaker 5: those individual accolades if the NBA wasn't trying to spotlight 1533 01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:30,080 Speaker 5: other stars over the portion of his early career where 1534 01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,360 Speaker 5: he's still earning those awards or could have been earning 1535 01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:32,920 Speaker 5: those awards. 1536 01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,080 Speaker 3: But I digress. The point is Scotty's wrong. 1537 01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:40,880 Speaker 5: It doesn't make sense to look at Jordan and think 1538 01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,920 Speaker 5: of him anything other than a champion and a clutch 1539 01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,120 Speaker 5: performer and if not the greatest, the second greatest of 1540 01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:47,960 Speaker 5: all time. 1541 01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:51,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to check. We got the Scotty cushion protocol. 1542 01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,200 Speaker 1: I think it is really time. 1543 01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,680 Speaker 4: To call him a horror The word horrible player in 1544 01:18:58,720 --> 01:18:59,799 Speaker 4: the same sentence as. 1545 01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,000 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan is just a horrible play. 1546 01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,439 Speaker 4: And I don't really think I can expand on it 1547 01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:09,640 Speaker 4: logically past That's where it starts and ends. Once you 1548 01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,799 Speaker 4: use horrible player and Michael Jordan in the same sentence. 1549 01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:14,960 Speaker 1: That's it. It's I'm done. 1550 01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,559 Speaker 4: I've checked out, So we might as well just move 1551 01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:19,519 Speaker 4: on to the next topic because I have really nothing. 1552 01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:23,160 Speaker 4: I can't add anything more to Like, I can't take 1553 01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,559 Speaker 4: it seriously. There's got to be something else behind the scenes, right, Like, 1554 01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,599 Speaker 4: there's got to be some other context here that I'm 1555 01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:33,000 Speaker 4: not grasping, because any logical person that watches basketball that 1556 01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:36,439 Speaker 4: calls Michael Jordan and uses the word horrible player in 1557 01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,640 Speaker 4: the same sentence, it just I can't take it seriously. 1558 01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:43,080 Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's where hatred can make you a bozo. Yeah, 1559 01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:47,320 Speaker 2: and he's got south between Pip and Jordan, but Hip's 1560 01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:51,680 Speaker 2: got this ax to grind and it is completely blocking 1561 01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,000 Speaker 2: his vision and his ability to make U. 1562 01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,479 Speaker 4: Call that bias in the gambling world, Oh man, it's yeah, 1563 01:19:58,600 --> 01:19:59,880 Speaker 4: it's over the top bias. 1564 01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,000 Speaker 2: There needs to be a new word for the bias 1565 01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,439 Speaker 2: that pitp has. All right, coming up next, is this 1566 01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:06,320 Speaker 2: guy more name than game? 1567 01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:07,120 Speaker 3: At this point? 1568 01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:12,719 Speaker 2: Is this guy more name than game at this point? 1569 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:16,440 Speaker 2: We're diving into that next. Hope you having a fantastic Saturday. 1570 01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,719 Speaker 2: We are broadcasting live from the tirack dot Com. Studios 1571 01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,879 Speaker 2: Tirack dot Com will help get you there in unmatched selection, 1572 01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,559 Speaker 2: fast free shipping, free roadhazard protection, and over ten thousand 1573 01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:33,160 Speaker 2: recommended installers. Tirack dot com the way tire buying should be. Okay, 1574 01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:38,800 Speaker 2: So we've got DeAndre Hopkins d hop on the open market, 1575 01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,759 Speaker 2: one of the better wide receivers in the game. Even now, 1576 01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:44,120 Speaker 2: many would say. 1577 01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,720 Speaker 3: But here's the deal. Here's the deal. 1578 01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,880 Speaker 2: If we look a little closer at DeAndre Hopkins, who 1579 01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,080 Speaker 2: has been a flat out stud there's no denying that 1580 01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,600 Speaker 2: he has not been his typical, flatout studeley self the 1581 01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,479 Speaker 2: past two seasons. This is something to keep in mind. 1582 01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,400 Speaker 2: If you look at last season, only played nine games. 1583 01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,240 Speaker 2: The season before that only played ten games. He's had 1584 01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:08,519 Speaker 2: some injuries. He also had a six game suspension for 1585 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,840 Speaker 2: violating the PED policy. Now, let me ask you guys 1586 01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:17,760 Speaker 2: a question. Are players more likely to use peds when 1587 01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,400 Speaker 2: they're at the top of their game or when they've 1588 01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:24,360 Speaker 2: lost a step? Because it's the latter, right, And that's 1589 01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,120 Speaker 2: something that you have to keep in mind because DeAndre 1590 01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:31,200 Speaker 2: Hopkins might get a big deal, and whoever gets him 1591 01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:33,720 Speaker 2: is going to expect him to be performing at a 1592 01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:37,479 Speaker 2: very high level. Maybe not prime DeAndre Hopkins, but at 1593 01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:41,000 Speaker 2: a very very high level. And I'm just telling you, 1594 01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,960 Speaker 2: buyer beware because he's been nicked up a lot. He's 1595 01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,960 Speaker 2: got a hammy here, he's got this other injury there. 1596 01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,800 Speaker 2: He's gonna be out for the next four games. It's 1597 01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,519 Speaker 2: something to keep in mind because he has been on 1598 01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:57,559 Speaker 2: a bit of a decline the last two years. And 1599 01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,920 Speaker 2: you just have to be honest with yourself with where 1600 01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:03,880 Speaker 2: you realistically expect him to be and what type of 1601 01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:05,880 Speaker 2: dollar amount you're signing him for. 1602 01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:07,360 Speaker 3: Nah, I get it. 1603 01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:10,439 Speaker 5: I I completely understand where you're coming from, and I 1604 01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,840 Speaker 5: don't disagree with anything you said. However, I will say this, 1605 01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:22,000 Speaker 5: an aging superstar can be one of the greatest assets 1606 01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,799 Speaker 5: to your franchise if if you have a stable culture. 1607 01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:31,240 Speaker 5: I mean, think about Randy Moss to the Patriots. It 1608 01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,479 Speaker 5: felt like that was a guy who might be washed 1609 01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:38,439 Speaker 5: entering the final chapter of his career. Completely rejuvenated himself 1610 01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:41,920 Speaker 5: with Bill Belichick and the Patriots culture and Tom Brady 1611 01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:45,519 Speaker 5: a great quarterback. You know, we've seen this story play 1612 01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,880 Speaker 5: out in other places. It's it's it's not it's not 1613 01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,519 Speaker 5: the rarest thing to see a guy who looks like 1614 01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,200 Speaker 5: he's kind of at the end of his rope. A 1615 01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:57,519 Speaker 5: Carson Palmer comeing to Arizona to be rejuvenated by a 1616 01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:00,800 Speaker 5: Bruce Arians when I felt like he was at the 1617 01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:01,679 Speaker 5: end of his rope. 1618 01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,040 Speaker 3: He was the Cincinnati. 1619 01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:05,960 Speaker 5: Bengals star QB for years and then he had a 1620 01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,040 Speaker 5: cup of coffee in Oakland, didn't look good. 1621 01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:12,880 Speaker 3: Knee injury comes to the Cardinals and he looks better then. 1622 01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:13,479 Speaker 3: You know. 1623 01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:17,200 Speaker 5: There are many examples of this, so I think with 1624 01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:20,120 Speaker 5: de Hop, I agree with you. I think it's very 1625 01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,960 Speaker 5: possible that performance enhancing drugs could have been something that 1626 01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,120 Speaker 5: he turned to because he felt like some of the 1627 01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,800 Speaker 5: edge that he was playing with was missing, and maybe 1628 01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:32,800 Speaker 5: he got some bad advice, or perhaps the testing caught 1629 01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,200 Speaker 5: up to something that he had been using all along. 1630 01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,000 Speaker 3: Who knows. We'll never know the story. He'll never tell. 1631 01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,160 Speaker 5: But one thing I can tell you is if you 1632 01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:45,240 Speaker 5: look at his performance when he's on the field, those 1633 01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:49,040 Speaker 5: numbers are real. He just hasn't had enough field time lately. 1634 01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:51,160 Speaker 5: He's getting up there in age, he's on the wrong 1635 01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:53,960 Speaker 5: side of thirty. I get all that, but if he 1636 01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:59,000 Speaker 5: can have a full season a healthfull season coming up next. 1637 01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,960 Speaker 5: He could earn every he's due to make this year, 1638 01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:05,000 Speaker 5: and you may be you may be able to entice 1639 01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:08,960 Speaker 5: him into restructuring, depending on what franchise he he gets 1640 01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,679 Speaker 5: signed by, to make it a little bit more cap friendly. 1641 01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the other side of this, right, we 1642 01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:16,760 Speaker 4: talked off the top of the show. 1643 01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:18,200 Speaker 1: Just Arizona. 1644 01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:20,360 Speaker 4: What do you think, like what's going on there in 1645 01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:21,920 Speaker 4: Arizona that you just let him walk? 1646 01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:24,640 Speaker 1: All right? Well, that's that's in the past. I know 1647 01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,439 Speaker 1: it just happened yesterday, but it's in the past. It happened. 1648 01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:28,880 Speaker 1: The next step of. 1649 01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:33,360 Speaker 4: The equation is there's this fantastic all pro receiver floating 1650 01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,760 Speaker 4: an hour around, just walking around the open road, the 1651 01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:40,760 Speaker 4: open market, and anybody can sign him. I think the 1652 01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,960 Speaker 4: context of when he gets signed, how he gets signed, 1653 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,680 Speaker 4: the money, the year, like all of that stuff is 1654 01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,960 Speaker 4: gonna change how we view on his situation going forward. 1655 01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:52,400 Speaker 1: The destination, obviously is crucial. 1656 01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:56,240 Speaker 4: Is he going to be paired with a veteran quarterback 1657 01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,920 Speaker 4: that maybe can get the most out of his las 1658 01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:04,520 Speaker 4: last good years or is he going to be like Carolina, 1659 01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,240 Speaker 4: go to a place where he needs to be kind 1660 01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:11,559 Speaker 4: of the company man, and you know, you know, turning 1661 01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,960 Speaker 4: the tide of a franchise that has a new quarterback 1662 01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,640 Speaker 4: that wants to trend in a positive direction, or is 1663 01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:18,760 Speaker 4: it a Buffalo or Kansas City where you know, he 1664 01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,240 Speaker 4: kind of just gets dropped in and hey, give us 1665 01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:24,160 Speaker 4: your best year right now, DeAndre, because if you do, 1666 01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,120 Speaker 4: we've already got the rest of the team ready to 1667 01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,719 Speaker 4: roll right now this year. I think that fits where 1668 01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,800 Speaker 4: Hopkins is in his career. I would be surprised if 1669 01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:35,000 Speaker 4: he went to a place like Carolina or Indy with 1670 01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:38,160 Speaker 4: a young rookie quarterback starting for the first time I 1671 01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:41,559 Speaker 4: see him. Frankly, I keep going back to the Lions, 1672 01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,000 Speaker 4: and I keep looking. And you know you mentioned the 1673 01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:47,400 Speaker 4: Jamis and Williams suspension. That's part of the equation. You 1674 01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:49,759 Speaker 4: get a little more production out of a guy early 1675 01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,519 Speaker 4: on in the season. You would think Hopkins would be 1676 01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,960 Speaker 4: fresher early in the season and then maybe his production 1677 01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,360 Speaker 4: declines throughout the course of the year. Well that's when 1678 01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,519 Speaker 4: Jamison Williams will be coming back. So I think that 1679 01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:05,720 Speaker 4: kind of makes sense to me. But I don't know 1680 01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,120 Speaker 4: if I'm ready to just call it quits on his career. 1681 01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:10,720 Speaker 4: And say, oh yeah, you know the pebs and all 1682 01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:12,720 Speaker 4: the teams he's played for and all this stuff. I'm 1683 01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,519 Speaker 4: just gonna move on and not really think of Hopkins 1684 01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:17,000 Speaker 4: as a guy that can make an impact in the 1685 01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:19,880 Speaker 4: NFL next year. I think he can, and I think, 1686 01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,479 Speaker 4: you hope, this is his last chance, right, this is 1687 01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,160 Speaker 4: his third team, This is his last chance to really 1688 01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:29,360 Speaker 4: make that game breaking impact and have that kind of 1689 01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:32,479 Speaker 4: career that maybe wins the super Bowl or really makes 1690 01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:34,479 Speaker 4: a deep playoff run, because he hasn't done that yet. 1691 01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,000 Speaker 4: He's had great numbers, but they haven't really equated to 1692 01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:38,200 Speaker 4: success in the postseason. 1693 01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:40,559 Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens. We'll see what team he 1694 01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:43,479 Speaker 1: lands on. I think that clearly is the next step 1695 01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:44,280 Speaker 1: of the equation here. 1696 01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:46,439 Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing is, I think that he can 1697 01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:50,160 Speaker 2: make a difference. I still think he's got game left yet. 1698 01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:54,200 Speaker 2: I think his name recognition is greater than the game 1699 01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:56,479 Speaker 2: he has right now. I always use this example of 1700 01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:59,280 Speaker 2: I have a Nissan Ultima and I love that car, 1701 01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:01,680 Speaker 2: but it's not where one hundred thousand dollars, you know 1702 01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:04,280 Speaker 2: what I mean? And that might be where DeAndre Hopkins 1703 01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:05,960 Speaker 2: is at this stage of his career. 1704 01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,560 Speaker 3: He might be closer to Odell Beckham. 1705 01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:11,080 Speaker 2: Junior territory, where it's like we're gonna sign him to 1706 01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:14,599 Speaker 2: like north of fifteen million. We're talking about eighteen million. 1707 01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:17,400 Speaker 2: You might not get that return on investment. You might 1708 01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:20,519 Speaker 2: not get the production that is equal to that dollar amount. 1709 01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:22,880 Speaker 2: That's where I think it is. But it then gets 1710 01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:27,040 Speaker 2: very juicy. Where does DeAndre Hopkins land? Is it somewhere 1711 01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:31,080 Speaker 2: like Jacksonville? I think DeAndre Hopkins is still talented enough 1712 01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:34,799 Speaker 2: where even if you overpay, you're still going to get 1713 01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,880 Speaker 2: some really good production out of the guy. Would that 1714 01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:41,880 Speaker 2: be enough to start to swing things in Jacksonville's favors? 1715 01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,480 Speaker 2: They try to make more progress in a loaded AFC. 1716 01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:47,360 Speaker 2: What if he went to Green Bay? How juicy would 1717 01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:47,800 Speaker 2: that be? 1718 01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:48,559 Speaker 1: Man? 1719 01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:52,200 Speaker 2: If you get DeAndre Hopkins the first season Aaron Rodgers 1720 01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:53,400 Speaker 2: is no longer. 1721 01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,639 Speaker 3: There, that'd be wild. Well, let me let me give 1722 01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:56,800 Speaker 3: it to you this way. 1723 01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:59,720 Speaker 5: My comp for DeAndre Hopkins at this point in his 1724 01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:05,559 Speaker 5: career is Christian McCaffrey. I mean, cemac for years in 1725 01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:11,560 Speaker 5: Carolina was underwhelming because of injury time spent on the field. 1726 01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:15,680 Speaker 5: The guy just he just couldn't stay healthy and so 1727 01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:22,960 Speaker 5: I mean, when available amazing, DeAndre Hopkins when available amazing. 1728 01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,680 Speaker 5: Now I understand there was no PD suspension with the 1729 01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:29,800 Speaker 5: McCaffrey storyline. But he goes to a stable franchise with 1730 01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:31,680 Speaker 5: a lot of stars around him, and all of a 1731 01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:35,040 Speaker 5: sudden he shines again. There's less pressure on him to 1732 01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:37,920 Speaker 5: be the every down guy. There's less pressure on him, 1733 01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:41,000 Speaker 5: there's less hits, there's less wear and tear in his body. 1734 01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:46,400 Speaker 5: I see DeAndre Hopkins if he enters a franchise that 1735 01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:51,360 Speaker 5: has a stable culture, that has the availability to not 1736 01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:55,320 Speaker 5: make him the the star every week, but maybe the 1737 01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:59,040 Speaker 5: star every other week, or maybe you know, a combination 1738 01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:03,160 Speaker 5: of him with some other stars sharing the billing. I 1739 01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:07,080 Speaker 5: think you could ac career extension for him. I think 1740 01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:10,000 Speaker 5: he could extend his career beyond where may go. If 1741 01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:12,479 Speaker 5: he stayed in Arizona, for example, or if he goes 1742 01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:15,960 Speaker 5: to a less stable culture and be he could become 1743 01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:20,559 Speaker 5: the receiver. Maybe not the fifteen hundred yards per year 1744 01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:23,559 Speaker 5: receiver he was when he was in his mid twenties, 1745 01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:29,040 Speaker 5: but he could become I guess an outline, a brilliant 1746 01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:30,920 Speaker 5: outline of the receiver he used to be. 1747 01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be really interesting. The Packers thing really 1748 01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:35,360 Speaker 1: would be. 1749 01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:38,400 Speaker 4: I mean that that just moved the needle for me 1750 01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,240 Speaker 4: in my brain for that split second that I put 1751 01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:45,320 Speaker 4: him there in my mind. I still think the spot 1752 01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:49,639 Speaker 4: matters more than anything else. I think I don't have 1753 01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:53,080 Speaker 4: a strong opinion on how he's going to fit into 1754 01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:54,679 Speaker 4: any fold next year. 1755 01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:59,040 Speaker 1: Like, for example, if a great NBA. 1756 01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,479 Speaker 4: Player Lebron j I know, we just we were hearing 1757 01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:03,680 Speaker 4: all the talk about if he's gonna move on, like 1758 01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:05,880 Speaker 4: if he goes to another team. It's it's not as 1759 01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:09,040 Speaker 4: like the fit doesn't matter as much. It's Lebron James 1760 01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:11,880 Speaker 4: or a great quarterback. The fit doesn't matter as much. 1761 01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:16,280 Speaker 4: It's the quarterback the world gets built around him. Whereas 1762 01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:19,759 Speaker 4: I think Hopkins he's not that kind of a receiver 1763 01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:23,320 Speaker 4: anymore to where it doesn't matter what fit, what situation. 1764 01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:25,880 Speaker 4: I think the fit and the situation he's at that 1765 01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,760 Speaker 4: point in his career where I would put Odell in 1766 01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:30,879 Speaker 4: the same Honestly, I think these guys are very similar. Frankly, 1767 01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:33,200 Speaker 4: I think the fit and that's why a lot of 1768 01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:34,560 Speaker 4: people raised diae brows. 1769 01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:36,080 Speaker 1: Win Odell's signed with Baltimore. It is like, does the 1770 01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,600 Speaker 1: fit make sense there with Lamar and. 1771 01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:42,200 Speaker 4: Where they are currently and what kind of quarterback Lamar is, 1772 01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:47,519 Speaker 4: We're gonna be talking about that same context whenever DeAndre signs. 1773 01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,080 Speaker 4: The fit and the team and the system, the scheme, 1774 01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:55,519 Speaker 4: the quarterback, the everything, I think that matters more than 1775 01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,040 Speaker 4: the name. So going back to your original point, Brian, 1776 01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:01,920 Speaker 4: I think you're right. Game doesn't match up to the 1777 01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:06,599 Speaker 4: name right now. His name right now is wow, DeAndre Hopkins, 1778 01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:09,559 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. But I think once he signs, the 1779 01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:13,559 Speaker 4: conversation will be more about the fit than DeAndre Hopkins 1780 01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,479 Speaker 4: just all of a sudden renovating. Whatever offense he goes to, 1781 01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,960 Speaker 4: it has to fit together because of the stage of 1782 01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,920 Speaker 4: the career and all of the other things we're talking about, 1783 01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:25,720 Speaker 4: you know, off to the side of what DeAndre is 1784 01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:26,559 Speaker 4: the player right now? 1785 01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:30,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Look, I'm a DeAndre Hopkins fan from the 1786 01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:32,600 Speaker 5: standpoint of I don't know if I've ever seen a 1787 01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:38,960 Speaker 5: guy control defensive backs downfield the way he's able to, 1788 01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:41,719 Speaker 5: and I mean just from a physical standpoint, but also 1789 01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:47,320 Speaker 5: his route running. Look, there are many great examples of 1790 01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:51,680 Speaker 5: receivers who can go up and get the football, you know, 1791 01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:55,120 Speaker 5: and have clutch performances, but when he's at the top 1792 01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:59,519 Speaker 5: of his game, it's hard to compare. There was a 1793 01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:03,080 Speaker 5: point where you know, his name was being discussed in 1794 01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:07,000 Speaker 5: conversation with all time greats. That's been diminished some over 1795 01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:12,240 Speaker 5: the past two seasons. But again remember remember the quarterbacks 1796 01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:16,240 Speaker 5: even before he left Houston, who he's been playing with. 1797 01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,920 Speaker 5: It pales in comparison to the quarterback who he was 1798 01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:24,080 Speaker 5: playing with prior to And if he can then again 1799 01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:27,880 Speaker 5: be reunited with somebody who understands how to utilize him 1800 01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,919 Speaker 5: offensively from a play calling standpoint, but then a quarterback 1801 01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:34,320 Speaker 5: who can find him consistently and not rely on him solely, 1802 01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:37,920 Speaker 5: I think we could see a complete resurgence. It it 1803 01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:43,080 Speaker 5: really comes down to where DeAndre Hopkins lands, and I 1804 01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:47,479 Speaker 5: think it would behoove him to take less to get 1805 01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:51,080 Speaker 5: more out of his career. And again, what you go 1806 01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:54,040 Speaker 5: to a stable franchise, you restructure your contract, that can 1807 01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:54,799 Speaker 5: happen overnight. 1808 01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:57,000 Speaker 2: Well that's the thing is you go back to his 1809 01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:00,840 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen season, it still blows my mind. Does one 1810 01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:04,559 Speaker 2: hundred and eleven catches for over fifteen hundred yards and 1811 01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:08,639 Speaker 2: eleven touchdowns now listen to his quarterbacks that year Brian 1812 01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:14,000 Speaker 2: Hoyer with nine starts, Ryan Mallet with four starts, TJ. 1813 01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:15,320 Speaker 3: Yates with two. 1814 01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:20,320 Speaker 2: And Brandon Whedon with one. Yeah, those were his quarterbacks 1815 01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:22,519 Speaker 2: and he put up those numbers. Now, the difference is 1816 01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:25,920 Speaker 2: that was year three of his NFL career. This is 1817 01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:27,160 Speaker 2: about to be year eleven. 1818 01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:29,519 Speaker 3: That's a wild He's been in a league that long. 1819 01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:34,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, huge difference, and receivers that are that tenured we 1820 01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:35,320 Speaker 4: do not talk about. 1821 01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:36,479 Speaker 1: Them in this light very often. 1822 01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:37,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1823 01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:41,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, like it's you know, usually eleventh year of your 1824 01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:44,640 Speaker 4: NFL career. You're not going to move the needle in 1825 01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:48,519 Speaker 4: that way because of just the age factor that is involved. 1826 01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:51,960 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I think that's what happens sometimes is 1827 01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:56,760 Speaker 2: we're thinking about DeAndre Hopkins between twenty fifteen and twenty eighteen, 1828 01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,960 Speaker 2: where he was peak d hop I mean the last 1829 01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:03,479 Speaker 2: four years he hasn't had double digit touchdown catches. 1830 01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:05,400 Speaker 3: You know, the last two years. 1831 01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:07,800 Speaker 2: They've been banged up quite a bit and the Beeds 1832 01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:08,800 Speaker 2: I'm just telling me. 1833 01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:11,040 Speaker 4: In the year the average length of a career for 1834 01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,479 Speaker 4: receiver in the NFL is two point eight years. 1835 01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:16,519 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, but it's freak. 1836 01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:21,639 Speaker 5: But but there there are a lot of unfortunately, really 1837 01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:23,480 Speaker 5: really bad receivers. 1838 01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:23,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1839 01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:26,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, but in your eleventh year when it's like, hey, 1840 01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:28,720 Speaker 4: we gotta get this guy because he is going to 1841 01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:32,120 Speaker 4: change how we play, right, Like, it's just it's rare, 1842 01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:33,120 Speaker 4: It's very rare. 1843 01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:33,519 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1844 01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:38,120 Speaker 5: I look, everything you could you could notch in the 1845 01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:42,320 Speaker 5: negative column for DeAndre Hopkins. I there's a counterpoint to that, 1846 01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:45,040 Speaker 5: and that's the reason why he's still being debated in discussed. 1847 01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:47,400 Speaker 5: Same with Odell Beckham Junior. You know, there was a 1848 01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:52,080 Speaker 5: time where this this discussion happened surrounding Terrell Owens. There 1849 01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:55,080 Speaker 5: was a time you know, you reach a point of 1850 01:34:55,160 --> 01:35:00,000 Speaker 5: diminishing returns with these players, you don't want to. Obviously, 1851 01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:03,040 Speaker 5: he'd be the last person to buy the apple before 1852 01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:04,519 Speaker 5: it finally rots, you know. 1853 01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:06,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been there before. 1854 01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:09,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's an unfortunate reality for everyone. It's coming 1855 01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:13,519 Speaker 5: for everyone. But if you can get the last of 1856 01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:16,639 Speaker 5: the best of DeAndre Hopkins and you're the next team 1857 01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:18,520 Speaker 5: to get one good year, yep. 1858 01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:20,400 Speaker 3: I mean that he's worth every penny. 1859 01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:23,120 Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing is, there's a difference between more 1860 01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,880 Speaker 2: name than game. That doesn't mean no game, right, you 1861 01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:28,880 Speaker 2: know what I mean? It's just the name recognition is 1862 01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:31,519 Speaker 2: greater than the game. I think it's Odell Beckham Junior. 1863 01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:32,479 Speaker 1: A good conversation I have. 1864 01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:35,400 Speaker 4: Frankly, I think he's the one guy where in his 1865 01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:38,599 Speaker 4: eleventh year we're moving the needle. He might be one 1866 01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:42,479 Speaker 4: of the few receivers in his eleventh year. We're like, Wow, 1867 01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:44,799 Speaker 4: we gotta get this guy because he is he can play. 1868 01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:48,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that might be wrong, right, you know, like 1869 01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:52,000 Speaker 2: I think he can still play. But like it's this 1870 01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:55,920 Speaker 2: splash move we got DeAndre Hopkins, and it's like. 1871 01:35:56,439 --> 01:36:00,080 Speaker 1: When it happens, the press is stopped for lack of 1872 01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:01,960 Speaker 1: a better word, like it was. I remember tweet. 1873 01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,679 Speaker 4: I tweeted out like a baseball nugget about some nerfy 1874 01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:06,519 Speaker 4: and then it was like a minute later the Hopkins 1875 01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:07,000 Speaker 4: news broke. 1876 01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:09,120 Speaker 1: I was like, well, that's gonna get lost in the. 1877 01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:14,800 Speaker 2: Showf never lost in the shuffle today though he's sure 1878 01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:17,960 Speaker 2: at Smith FSR Betting andalyst Rich Hoornberger with US Penn 1879 01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,599 Speaker 2: State All American. He's got a shaved clavicle. I do 1880 01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:22,880 Speaker 2: I think of him when I grill out, and I 1881 01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:24,720 Speaker 2: think Rich would do with this better. I don't know 1882 01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:27,280 Speaker 2: how he just what please I'm probably in no Coming 1883 01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:31,240 Speaker 2: up next, a couple of strategic moves that are getting 1884 01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:34,559 Speaker 2: a ton of attention. It is Fox Sports Saturday right 1885 01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:35,800 Speaker 2: here on Fox Sports Radio. 1886 01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:36,800 Speaker 3: Welcome back in. 1887 01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:40,480 Speaker 2: It's Fox Sports Saturday Live from the tyrack dot com studios. 1888 01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:43,479 Speaker 2: At the end of your first year, Discover credit cards 1889 01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:46,240 Speaker 2: automatically double all the cash back you've earned. 1890 01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:48,599 Speaker 3: That's right, everything you earned doubled. 1891 01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:50,920 Speaker 2: Seriously see terms and check it out for yourself at 1892 01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:55,240 Speaker 2: Discover dot com slash match. Okay, so we've got a 1893 01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:58,720 Speaker 2: couple of stories here, got a lot of attention, and 1894 01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:02,800 Speaker 2: I think they are strategic moves. We will start with 1895 01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:07,400 Speaker 2: the King of strategy, if you will, Lebron James. So, uh, 1896 01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:10,719 Speaker 2: this is the question after the Lakers got swept against 1897 01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:12,080 Speaker 2: the Denver Nuggets. 1898 01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:13,679 Speaker 4: How would you evaluate the season that you had? 1899 01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:16,519 Speaker 2: Okay, how would you evaluate the season? And Lebron he 1900 01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:19,640 Speaker 2: mentioned a few things. Made it to the Western Conference Finals, 1901 01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:22,360 Speaker 2: great for Darvin Ham, YadA, YadA, YadA, and then he 1902 01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:28,120 Speaker 2: just dropped this casually as his last little walk off sentence, 1903 01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:30,200 Speaker 2: if you will. And I don't know, I don't know. 1904 01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:32,360 Speaker 6: I had a lot to think about, to be honest, 1905 01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:34,640 Speaker 6: I had a lot to think about, to be honest. 1906 01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:37,519 Speaker 9: And just for me personally going going forward with the 1907 01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:40,040 Speaker 9: game of basketball, a lot to think about. 1908 01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:47,719 Speaker 2: Okay, uh huh, talk about maybe retiring, savvy move, strategic move. 1909 01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:51,240 Speaker 3: It shifts the focus. He's not gonna retire. 1910 01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:56,160 Speaker 2: It's maybe a leverage play, but it's mostly shifting the 1911 01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:59,519 Speaker 2: narrative because it would have been about Lebron getting swept 1912 01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:02,479 Speaker 2: and his career is nearly over and yahdy yeah, it's 1913 01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:05,760 Speaker 2: overwhelmingly negative. And now he just throws this out of 1914 01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:08,439 Speaker 2: I might walk away and it's all is he gonna 1915 01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:10,519 Speaker 2: walk away? Is this the last we've seen Lebron? It 1916 01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:13,559 Speaker 2: shifts everything. That is all that's going on here? 1917 01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:14,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1918 01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:18,640 Speaker 5: You know his nickname is King James, which is so 1919 01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:20,560 Speaker 5: appropriate because. 1920 01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:23,519 Speaker 3: What do kings do well? 1921 01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:30,400 Speaker 5: They control the narrative the reason why they're kings, And really, honestly, 1922 01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:36,759 Speaker 5: any political elected party knows this. If you control the narrative, 1923 01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:41,559 Speaker 5: you control everything. If if you have people believing what 1924 01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:45,200 Speaker 5: you want them to believe or talking about what you 1925 01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,520 Speaker 5: want them to talk about, you're in control. 1926 01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:50,240 Speaker 3: That's what this was. 1927 01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:56,679 Speaker 5: Lebron lost in devastating fashion to a much better team. 1928 01:38:57,160 --> 01:38:58,360 Speaker 3: Is he still a great player. 1929 01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:01,479 Speaker 5: Yeah, is Yokich at this point in his career a 1930 01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:03,839 Speaker 5: better player, Yeah. 1931 01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:03,880 Speaker 3: He knows it. 1932 01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:07,280 Speaker 5: But he also know that Jokic has zero juice, that 1933 01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:11,040 Speaker 5: the Denver Nuggets have zero juice, that he's he can 1934 01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:15,200 Speaker 5: he can control the narrative leaving the Western Conference Finals. 1935 01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:20,559 Speaker 5: So instead of the storyline or the narrative being, hey, 1936 01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:25,559 Speaker 5: look how good Denver is or boy, oh boy, is 1937 01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:29,760 Speaker 5: Lebron washed up? He had everybody eating out of the 1938 01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:33,439 Speaker 5: palm of his hand, like, oh, is he gonna leave us? 1939 01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:34,120 Speaker 1: Non? 1940 01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:38,960 Speaker 5: Go, no, please, Lebron say it ain't so, and then 1941 01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:42,120 Speaker 5: all these articles come, I mean pouring out. 1942 01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:43,760 Speaker 3: It's like Lebron. 1943 01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:46,280 Speaker 5: James could retire, and then the Lakers feel like they 1944 01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:49,840 Speaker 5: need to respond. They come back with, well, if he's 1945 01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:55,000 Speaker 5: considering retirement, we're considering a young star. And then everybody 1946 01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:58,880 Speaker 5: is just distracted from Hey, the Denver Nuggets just took 1947 01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:02,479 Speaker 5: a team that has Ron, a healthy Lebron James and 1948 01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:06,840 Speaker 5: Anthony Davis and mop the floor with them for four 1949 01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:10,920 Speaker 5: games before discarding them like use trash and moving on 1950 01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:13,080 Speaker 5: to whoever They're going to wait. 1951 01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:13,919 Speaker 3: A full week. 1952 01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:20,000 Speaker 5: June first is the opening game of the finals, because 1953 01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:22,320 Speaker 5: it feels like a death march for whoever's coming out 1954 01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:27,000 Speaker 5: of the Eastern Conference. Anyways, this is amazing. He is 1955 01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:30,800 Speaker 5: King James for a reason because he has taken the crown, 1956 01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:33,880 Speaker 5: put it on his head and said to himself, if 1957 01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:36,799 Speaker 5: I get swept, how do I control the narrative? 1958 01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:37,920 Speaker 3: And he did just that. 1959 01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:43,679 Speaker 4: It is good PR work and I've I've always credit 1960 01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:48,439 Speaker 4: given credit to Lebron for that. He does seem of 1961 01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:52,000 Speaker 4: all of the modern day superstars. And when I say superstars, 1962 01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:56,000 Speaker 4: I mean at the tippy top of the sport For example, 1963 01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:58,160 Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes, let's be honest, a little bit of a 1964 01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:02,720 Speaker 4: PR problem with his family, right, There's other stars that 1965 01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:05,240 Speaker 4: have issues, and listen, we all have issues in life. 1966 01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:07,880 Speaker 4: I have issues too that I'm glad I'm not a 1967 01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:11,719 Speaker 4: superstar at the tippy top of my sport field because 1968 01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:14,559 Speaker 4: I don't necessarily want people, you know, might be putting 1969 01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:17,840 Speaker 4: my life under a microscope every second of every day. 1970 01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:20,400 Speaker 1: It's exhausting. It is a lot of pressure. 1971 01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:24,960 Speaker 4: Now, these guys get paid literally small fortunes of GDPs 1972 01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:27,360 Speaker 4: of some countries. So you want to put the King 1973 01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:31,000 Speaker 4: Moniker back on top and the throne. Yeah, these guys 1974 01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:33,040 Speaker 4: make that kind of money. So with great money comes 1975 01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:36,600 Speaker 4: great responsibility. Right, But you look at what Lebron is 1976 01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:41,080 Speaker 4: starting to frame. I guarantee you that before that interview 1977 01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:43,519 Speaker 4: took place, he had at least a conversation. Maybe it 1978 01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:48,080 Speaker 4: happened prior, days prior hours and weeks prior. Hey, Lebron, 1979 01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:52,360 Speaker 4: your communications PR team, here's how we're going to handle 1980 01:41:52,439 --> 01:41:55,040 Speaker 4: this situation. A good PR team is ready for anything. 1981 01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:58,840 Speaker 4: Sweep not sweep that whatever. This is how we're going 1982 01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:02,080 Speaker 4: to handle it. And he probably was on board with it. Obviously. 1983 01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:04,960 Speaker 4: I don't think you could get by with Lebron not 1984 01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:07,679 Speaker 4: being on board with a certain strategy. And you're right 1985 01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:10,519 Speaker 4: the end of that interview, it almost is like Lebron 1986 01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:13,519 Speaker 4: remembered the talking points at the end and was like, oh, wait, 1987 01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:15,519 Speaker 4: I gotta get this in before I before I, you know, 1988 01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:18,360 Speaker 4: walk off the stage here. And he just kind of 1989 01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:20,840 Speaker 4: gave you it because I think the timing of how 1990 01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:24,080 Speaker 4: he said it when he said it at the end, 1991 01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:26,680 Speaker 4: it was almost like, eh, yeah, by the way, I 1992 01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:29,160 Speaker 4: might be leaving here, you go chew on that for 1993 01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:30,679 Speaker 4: a few days or whatever. 1994 01:42:31,479 --> 01:42:32,680 Speaker 3: Even that was strategic. 1995 01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:36,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it could have wasn't the second response in 1996 01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:37,479 Speaker 2: the press conference. 1997 01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:41,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the final thing he said. So it 1998 01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:42,600 Speaker 3: just sticks. 1999 01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:45,879 Speaker 2: With you yet level well. 2000 01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:48,240 Speaker 5: So and then also sorry to cut you off, Brian, 2001 01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:51,120 Speaker 5: but like, like think about the question that was ask 2002 01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:54,960 Speaker 5: them where he arrived, like the pivot it took. 2003 01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:55,960 Speaker 3: Him to get there. 2004 01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:58,599 Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's the other thing about it, Like when 2005 01:42:58,640 --> 01:43:01,599 Speaker 5: you ask a politician right on question, like a yes 2006 01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:04,120 Speaker 5: or no question that they don't want to answer. 2007 01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:05,680 Speaker 3: You hear it. 2008 01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:08,559 Speaker 5: You hear it before they even start answering. It's almost 2009 01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:11,720 Speaker 5: like they as soon as they clear their throat, you 2010 01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:14,559 Speaker 5: know that whatever comes next is going to be whatever 2011 01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:18,280 Speaker 5: they're looking to inject into the conversation, as opposed to 2012 01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:21,479 Speaker 5: answering the question you just answered, you just asked. So 2013 01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:24,760 Speaker 5: that's what Lebron did here. He knew that that was 2014 01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:27,080 Speaker 5: going to be the last question he took. He knew 2015 01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:30,080 Speaker 5: that that was going to be the SoundBite on Monday 2016 01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:33,599 Speaker 5: that everybody ran with. He knew exactly what he was doing. 2017 01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:36,599 Speaker 5: It's just beautifully done. 2018 01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:37,640 Speaker 1: Strategery. 2019 01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:39,960 Speaker 3: Strategy might be. 2020 01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:43,920 Speaker 2: More strategic moves here right around the corner, but speaking 2021 01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:47,400 Speaker 2: of someone who knows exactly what he's doing, that's right 2022 01:43:47,479 --> 01:43:50,360 Speaker 2: that would be the one and only Isaac Loewenkron with 2023 01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:51,320 Speaker 2: the latest. 2024 01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:53,320 Speaker 11: Here Lebron James considering retirement. 2025 01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:58,080 Speaker 1: Ate that up with a soup lade of Isaac oh Man. 2026 01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:00,200 Speaker 10: Yeah, no, you make a good point. I mean, giver 2027 01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:05,400 Speaker 10: raised his pr people Denver wins the NBA Championship. Michael 2028 01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:09,080 Speaker 10: Malone being interviewed, So, Mike, you think Lebron's going to retire? 2029 01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:12,439 Speaker 10: Oh gosh, I'd love to see that happen. His reactions anyway. 2030 01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:15,040 Speaker 10: Some reactions from Major League Baseball on Friday and night. 2031 01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:17,400 Speaker 10: At the Boston Red Sox breaking a four game losing 2032 01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:19,600 Speaker 10: streak with a seven to two victory over the Diamondbacks 2033 01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:23,439 Speaker 10: at Arizona. The Houston Astros victorious at Oakland five to two. 2034 01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:26,760 Speaker 10: The A's now ten and forty three. That is the 2035 01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:29,759 Speaker 10: most losses through fifty three games for any major league 2036 01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:34,040 Speaker 10: team since nineteen hundred, if you're wondering, by comparison one 2037 01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:37,200 Speaker 10: of the most infamous losing teams of all time, the 2038 01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:41,200 Speaker 10: nineteen sixty two New York Mets. They finished with a 2039 01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:44,639 Speaker 10: record of forty wins and one hundred and twenty losses. 2040 01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:49,320 Speaker 10: After fifty three games. They were fifteen and thirty eight, 2041 01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:52,600 Speaker 10: five games better than the A's are right now. The 2042 01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:55,320 Speaker 10: Pittsburgh Pirates hit seven home runs in an eleven sixth 2043 01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:58,880 Speaker 10: victory at Seattle, Jorge Solio the Marlins homeward for a 2044 01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:01,439 Speaker 10: fourth straight game, and Miami six to two win over 2045 01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:04,320 Speaker 10: the Angels in Anaheim today had at eight thirty Eastern 2046 01:45:04,360 --> 01:45:07,719 Speaker 10: Game six of the NBA's Eastern Conference Finals from Miami, 2047 01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:10,759 Speaker 10: with the Heat leading the Boston Celtics three games to two. Finally, 2048 01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:14,519 Speaker 10: there's been a new development in a bizarre story in 2049 01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:19,280 Speaker 10: which an Internet sleuth claimed that NBA referee Eric Lewis 2050 01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:24,160 Speaker 10: was using a burner account to defend himself against critics 2051 01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:28,439 Speaker 10: on Twitter. Veteran NBA reporter Mark Stein even tweeted that 2052 01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:31,960 Speaker 10: the NBA had opened an official review in of the situation. 2053 01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:37,000 Speaker 10: Last night, However, the alleged burner account posted, and I quote, 2054 01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:44,639 Speaker 10: this is Mark Lewis right, family, older brother. I'm sorry 2055 01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:50,920 Speaker 10: that I put E in this situation, but this ain't Watergate, unquote. 2056 01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:53,639 Speaker 10: And with that, fellas back to you, I. 2057 01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:55,519 Speaker 2: Thought you were gonna say he had a burner account 2058 01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:58,439 Speaker 2: and he's placing bets on fan duel or something like that. 2059 01:45:58,479 --> 01:46:03,120 Speaker 11: Oh I know that was T Donahey, that was at 2060 01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:04,040 Speaker 11: T Donahey. 2061 01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:09,679 Speaker 3: I believe I'm glad it wasn't a gambling foster. 2062 01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:15,719 Speaker 2: Perhaps Fox Sports Saturday right here on Fox Sports Radio. 2063 01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:18,120 Speaker 3: Okay, now here's the other story. 2064 01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:22,320 Speaker 2: We pivot from King James to maybe, depending on your perspective, 2065 01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:26,400 Speaker 2: King Jah, if you will, so Jahn Morants, here's the story. 2066 01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:32,320 Speaker 2: He posted a cryptic uh uh story on his ig page, 2067 01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:34,960 Speaker 2: and it was cryptic to the point where officers had 2068 01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:39,120 Speaker 2: to conduct a welfare check. So Ja Morant. He's been 2069 01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:43,040 Speaker 2: on video twice holding a gun. He got suspended for 2070 01:46:43,120 --> 01:46:45,720 Speaker 2: eight games the first time. He's in line to get 2071 01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:49,920 Speaker 2: suspended for many more games this time. And so he 2072 01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:54,200 Speaker 2: put on his ig story four different pictures and it 2073 01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:57,519 Speaker 2: just said love you, Ma, love you, Pops, You're the 2074 01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:02,759 Speaker 2: greatest baby girl, love you about his and then buy wow. 2075 01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:06,040 Speaker 2: And he's just like walking away where the picture is 2076 01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:09,040 Speaker 2: like his back has turned when the picture was being taken. 2077 01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:12,680 Speaker 2: And so some people are like, is he okay? Is 2078 01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:16,360 Speaker 2: he in a healthy state of mind? Is he feeling 2079 01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:19,760 Speaker 2: awful based on screwing up again two months after the 2080 01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:24,000 Speaker 2: first gun video? And listen, anybody with half a heart 2081 01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:27,240 Speaker 2: hopes everything is fine with John Moran. Okay, hope everything 2082 01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:29,799 Speaker 2: is great physically, mentally, the whole nine yards. 2083 01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:33,920 Speaker 3: But here's where my mind goes. I think this is strategic. 2084 01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:37,920 Speaker 2: Also, I look at this and say, okay, he's walking 2085 01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:41,760 Speaker 2: away from social media. That was the whole thing. Do 2086 01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:45,160 Speaker 2: they think, oh, no, this is just me announcing I'm 2087 01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:47,719 Speaker 2: walking away from social media. I didn't know you're gonna 2088 01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:51,200 Speaker 2: misinterpret it and think something serious was going on. Really, 2089 01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:55,160 Speaker 2: they had no idea it was gonna be taken like that. Like, 2090 01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:59,719 Speaker 2: think about the Second Gun video where the statement comes 2091 01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:02,360 Speaker 2: out out and it's carefully crafted and my words might 2092 01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:05,240 Speaker 2: not mean much right now, but I take full responsibility 2093 01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:05,960 Speaker 2: for my actions. 2094 01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:07,360 Speaker 3: Did jah write that? 2095 01:48:07,720 --> 01:48:11,440 Speaker 2: Are those jaws exact words or is that carefully crafted 2096 01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:13,519 Speaker 2: by a group of people? 2097 01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:16,320 Speaker 3: Like that's the way it goes. So what does this do? 2098 01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:21,599 Speaker 2: It shifts the focus away from Jaw taking a beating. 2099 01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:25,040 Speaker 2: For a Second Gun video, it was all what is 2100 01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:27,800 Speaker 2: this guy doing? Why is he screwing up again? Here's 2101 01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:30,360 Speaker 2: a taste of that from Kwame Brown on YouTube. 2102 01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:34,160 Speaker 3: I've heard of NBA young boy, but you NBA dumb boy. 2103 01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:38,080 Speaker 3: You got to be the dumbest mother in the league. 2104 01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:41,559 Speaker 2: Right, like he's just getting crushed, and then this IG 2105 01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:44,240 Speaker 2: story comes out and all of a sudden, it's hey, 2106 01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:45,280 Speaker 2: is Jah right? 2107 01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:46,639 Speaker 3: Is everything? Okay? 2108 01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:50,440 Speaker 2: I think this is strategic and it shifts the focus. 2109 01:48:50,640 --> 01:48:52,920 Speaker 2: That's what I think is going on here. And I 2110 01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:55,200 Speaker 2: hope that's exactly what's going on, because I don't want 2111 01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:56,720 Speaker 2: this guy to be struggling in any way. 2112 01:48:56,920 --> 01:48:58,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I hope you're right too. 2113 01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:02,200 Speaker 5: Look, you know, this is something that I've spoken about 2114 01:49:02,240 --> 01:49:07,280 Speaker 5: publicly in the past. I went through a time during 2115 01:49:07,320 --> 01:49:13,799 Speaker 5: my playing career and it was momentary, whatever that means. 2116 01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:17,360 Speaker 3: But I had suicidal thoughts. 2117 01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:20,280 Speaker 5: And it's difficult to even discuss now because I'm a 2118 01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:24,160 Speaker 5: happy guy. I have a beautiful family who I love 2119 01:49:24,280 --> 01:49:29,920 Speaker 5: deeply and live for, and you know, I was just 2120 01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:33,160 Speaker 5: going through a really hard patch. It was the first 2121 01:49:33,160 --> 01:49:35,519 Speaker 5: time I was away from the sport I love. I 2122 01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:39,640 Speaker 5: had a season ending concussion, which potentially some of the 2123 01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:46,519 Speaker 5: symptoms that come postconcussive trauma, depression and isolation and a 2124 01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:48,559 Speaker 5: lot of things that you go through to just try 2125 01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:52,519 Speaker 5: to recover from a concussion, you know, could have led 2126 01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:56,799 Speaker 5: to some of this. But I remember calling up my folks. 2127 01:49:56,800 --> 01:50:00,559 Speaker 5: I called up my dad and my wife Life was 2128 01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:03,880 Speaker 5: out of town on business. She was away for an 2129 01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:06,679 Speaker 5: extended amount of time, and I called up my dad, 2130 01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:11,559 Speaker 5: who lived fortunately driving distance. At the time, they lived 2131 01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:15,080 Speaker 5: in New York. I was living in Boston, and I said, Hey, 2132 01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:18,479 Speaker 5: I'm in a bad place and I need somebody here 2133 01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:21,680 Speaker 5: with me. And it was the greatest phone call I 2134 01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:24,480 Speaker 5: ever made, because I'm not sure what would have happened. 2135 01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:27,599 Speaker 3: Guys, but it was. 2136 01:50:28,280 --> 01:50:32,759 Speaker 5: It was a private cry for help, and my father 2137 01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:36,320 Speaker 5: knew exactly what to do. You know, it came we 2138 01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:38,639 Speaker 5: we were we got busy, you know, we were doing 2139 01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:42,640 Speaker 5: like little home improvement projects. I remember I had a 2140 01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:46,120 Speaker 5: television on a coffee table and he's like, hey, you 2141 01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:47,519 Speaker 5: ever think about mounting that thing? 2142 01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:49,840 Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, actually, it's something I want 2143 01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:50,080 Speaker 3: to do. 2144 01:50:50,120 --> 01:50:51,880 Speaker 5: And so, you know, we went down to the home 2145 01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:54,760 Speaker 5: depot and we bought you know, TV mounting, kid, and 2146 01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:57,240 Speaker 5: it was the wrong one, so we had a retrofit in. 2147 01:50:57,400 --> 01:51:00,920 Speaker 5: It was just this long project and it just like 2148 01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:03,280 Speaker 5: it took my mind completely off of what was going 2149 01:51:03,320 --> 01:51:06,000 Speaker 5: on internally, and I was expressing myself externally. 2150 01:51:06,040 --> 01:51:09,559 Speaker 3: And it was a weird. It was a weird phase. 2151 01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:12,479 Speaker 5: And I call it that because since then, fortunately I 2152 01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:14,880 Speaker 5: haven't felt that way before. But when you feel that 2153 01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:20,960 Speaker 5: overwhelming darkness, it's inescapable. And so if that's what Jah 2154 01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:25,320 Speaker 5: is going through, I hope the people his parents, his 2155 01:51:25,439 --> 01:51:28,600 Speaker 5: girlfriend or fiance or wife. I don't know what is 2156 01:51:28,640 --> 01:51:33,160 Speaker 5: significant other is relation to him is. But his teammates, 2157 01:51:33,680 --> 01:51:37,120 Speaker 5: his friends who love him, they're reaching out and they're 2158 01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:40,880 Speaker 5: touching base with him. And like you said, Brian, hope, 2159 01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:43,479 Speaker 5: I hope this is as simple as him trying to 2160 01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:47,200 Speaker 5: take control of the narrative and strategically putting something out 2161 01:51:47,240 --> 01:51:52,240 Speaker 5: there to shift the public discourse about Jean Morant right now, 2162 01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:57,439 Speaker 5: the athlete and the superstar. And I hope something deeper 2163 01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:01,200 Speaker 5: isn't wrong with the person because that's a tough place 2164 01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:04,680 Speaker 5: to be and there's there's it feels like there's no 2165 01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:05,479 Speaker 5: escaping it. 2166 01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:07,320 Speaker 3: So if that's where he's at, I hope he has 2167 01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:10,160 Speaker 3: the people around him to help him get the help. 2168 01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:14,879 Speaker 5: He needs, because it doesn't You can't take steps forward 2169 01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:18,200 Speaker 5: until you fix yourself. And if that's where he's at, 2170 01:52:18,240 --> 01:52:20,080 Speaker 5: I hope he can fix himself. 2171 01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:24,680 Speaker 1: Wow. I appreciate you sharing that, Rich. I didn't know that, 2172 01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:28,200 Speaker 1: and I agree, Brian. 2173 01:52:28,280 --> 01:52:31,679 Speaker 4: I do hope that it is as simple as pr 2174 01:52:32,479 --> 01:52:37,320 Speaker 4: what's happening here? Because this is a this is a 2175 01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:42,840 Speaker 4: dark world that we live in. And his generation slightly younger. 2176 01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:43,680 Speaker 1: Than than than me. 2177 01:52:45,320 --> 01:52:48,280 Speaker 4: Gen Z right, I'm an older millennial and he's kind 2178 01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:50,080 Speaker 4: of in the gen Z vibe. 2179 01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:52,919 Speaker 1: Social media is toxic. 2180 01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:57,200 Speaker 4: It's toxic on so many levels, and I hope it's 2181 01:52:57,200 --> 01:53:00,320 Speaker 4: as simple as hey, let's change the narrative, let's shift 2182 01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:03,160 Speaker 4: the focus, let's get off social media. That's a healthy 2183 01:53:03,240 --> 01:53:06,759 Speaker 4: choice for joh and I approve that choice. If there's 2184 01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:09,800 Speaker 4: something else going on behind the scenes that it's not 2185 01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:13,479 Speaker 4: just that, then we need to have a much deeper 2186 01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:17,200 Speaker 4: conversation guys social media. I've been bullied on social media. 2187 01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:19,360 Speaker 4: I know I'm not John Moran. I don't get bullied 2188 01:53:19,400 --> 01:53:21,200 Speaker 4: to the extent that he has been bullied on social 2189 01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:23,400 Speaker 4: media over the last few weeks because of his decisions. 2190 01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:26,080 Speaker 4: But I work in a public field. I give out 2191 01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:31,080 Speaker 4: sports picks every day. Sometimes they're wrong. People get upset 2192 01:53:31,320 --> 01:53:35,920 Speaker 4: because they lost money and they lash out. And social 2193 01:53:35,960 --> 01:53:39,800 Speaker 4: media is easy to hide behind anonymity when you are 2194 01:53:40,160 --> 01:53:46,519 Speaker 4: doling out insults and making people feel less, you know, 2195 01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:50,960 Speaker 4: pushing others down to make yourself feel good. And maybe 2196 01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:53,200 Speaker 4: he just reached a tipping point with it and he 2197 01:53:53,640 --> 01:53:56,599 Speaker 4: has seen I'm sure you have to be living under 2198 01:53:56,600 --> 01:53:59,160 Speaker 4: a rock to not see and hear the things that 2199 01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:02,000 Speaker 4: are being said about him over the last month, and 2200 01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:06,120 Speaker 4: maybe he reached that point and I reached it too. 2201 01:54:06,479 --> 01:54:10,040 Speaker 4: I had moments, you know, over when I first started 2202 01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:13,639 Speaker 4: this little gambling avenue that I've gone down where it's 2203 01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:17,120 Speaker 4: it's stressful, and you're putting your money and other people's 2204 01:54:17,160 --> 01:54:18,800 Speaker 4: money on the line every day, and people lose and 2205 01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:19,160 Speaker 4: they get. 2206 01:54:19,120 --> 01:54:20,280 Speaker 1: Upset and they lash out to you. 2207 01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:23,439 Speaker 4: And eventually I took breaks from social media over times, 2208 01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:27,240 Speaker 4: and I think it's a healthy choice. I don't know 2209 01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:31,439 Speaker 4: enough about Jaw's inner circle to know if this is 2210 01:54:32,240 --> 01:54:35,360 Speaker 4: strategic or if there really is something going on there 2211 01:54:35,400 --> 01:54:38,600 Speaker 4: behind the scenes. But also if you the one thing 2212 01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:40,360 Speaker 4: that pushes me to maybe there's a little bit of 2213 01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:43,840 Speaker 4: negativity going on that we don't know about, because if 2214 01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:45,600 Speaker 4: you were just taking a break from social media, I 2215 01:54:45,680 --> 01:54:48,720 Speaker 4: might have just said that and just said, hey, listen, 2216 01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:50,360 Speaker 4: I need to take some time to focus on me, 2217 01:54:51,200 --> 01:54:53,480 Speaker 4: and I'm going to take a step back from putting 2218 01:54:53,480 --> 01:54:54,680 Speaker 4: myself out there every day. 2219 01:54:55,320 --> 01:54:56,280 Speaker 1: I think that would have. 2220 01:54:56,200 --> 01:54:58,360 Speaker 4: Been the right way to say, I'm taking a break 2221 01:54:58,360 --> 01:55:01,120 Speaker 4: from social media. I do think there's a little emotion 2222 01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:05,840 Speaker 4: baked into this that maybe is all right, I'm at 2223 01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:09,160 Speaker 4: the end of my rope, guys, and I need help. 2224 01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:11,720 Speaker 4: It kind of feels like a cry for help. Maybe 2225 01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:14,360 Speaker 4: it's a strategic cry for help, but it does feel 2226 01:55:14,360 --> 01:55:16,520 Speaker 4: like joh does need some help. So I give him support, 2227 01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:18,240 Speaker 4: I give him love because I know we've all been 2228 01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:20,760 Speaker 4: at dark times in our life, and I hope we 2229 01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:23,160 Speaker 4: don't get judged by our lowest moments, and I'm sure 2230 01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:24,920 Speaker 4: this is one of those for job Well. 2231 01:55:24,960 --> 01:55:28,400 Speaker 2: And that's what I think is if you were trying 2232 01:55:28,440 --> 01:55:31,520 Speaker 2: to get people on your side again, yeah, how would 2233 01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:34,720 Speaker 2: you do it? You would do it like this. You 2234 01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:38,120 Speaker 2: would do it with this ig story because it was nothing. 2235 01:55:38,200 --> 01:55:40,760 Speaker 2: But what is this guy doing? What a knucklehead? Why 2236 01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:42,960 Speaker 2: is he screwing up again? So forth and so on, 2237 01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:45,600 Speaker 2: And now all of a sudden, after this post, it 2238 01:55:45,800 --> 01:55:49,280 Speaker 2: shifts the perspective and it's like we're on Jos's side again. 2239 01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:52,320 Speaker 3: Is he okay? Does he need anything? Yeah? What's crazy 2240 01:55:52,360 --> 01:55:53,080 Speaker 3: about that? Too? 2241 01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:58,800 Speaker 5: You know is you're rooting. You're rooting for something that 2242 01:55:59,280 --> 01:55:59,840 Speaker 5: is kind of. 2243 01:55:59,800 --> 01:56:01,720 Speaker 3: This despicable if you think about it. 2244 01:56:02,280 --> 01:56:06,440 Speaker 5: Like like, because don't don't get me wrong, I agree 2245 01:56:06,680 --> 01:56:10,400 Speaker 5: fully with what you're saying, Brian, Like I want I 2246 01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:14,320 Speaker 5: want for Jah like that he's not in some dark 2247 01:56:14,360 --> 01:56:16,760 Speaker 5: place that people really need to be concerned for his 2248 01:56:16,840 --> 01:56:20,000 Speaker 5: mental wealth being, you know. But at the same time, 2249 01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:22,720 Speaker 5: if if we're hoping for that, we're also hoping that 2250 01:56:22,840 --> 01:56:29,800 Speaker 5: he's used social media almost as a false flag to 2251 01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:33,320 Speaker 5: to to have people concerned that he's suicidal. 2252 01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:36,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd be using mental health for your person. 2253 01:56:36,440 --> 01:56:38,640 Speaker 4: It's a cry for help, guys, it really is. And 2254 01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:41,720 Speaker 4: maybe there's something else underneath it that we don't know, 2255 01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:45,200 Speaker 4: but this is a cry for help in some stretch 2256 01:56:45,200 --> 01:56:45,920 Speaker 4: of the imagination. 2257 01:56:46,120 --> 01:56:48,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's bizarre. 2258 01:56:48,680 --> 01:56:48,960 Speaker 1: All right. 2259 01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:51,760 Speaker 2: We've got Rich Orenberger, Penn State, all American. We've got 2260 01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:55,520 Speaker 2: Jared Smith FSR betting analysts do not bowling him on Twitter. 2261 01:56:55,640 --> 01:56:59,400 Speaker 1: Okay, I get it enough from my friends. When I 2262 01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:04,040 Speaker 1: lose a bed, let Rich, you're hitting get the media world. 2263 01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:07,000 Speaker 2: I'll be good cop. Rich will be bad cop. Get 2264 01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:09,320 Speaker 2: We'll take care of all the bullies over there. Brian 2265 01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:11,840 Speaker 2: no coming up that can bring you some cash. Huh, 2266 01:57:11,960 --> 01:57:15,160 Speaker 2: round table gambling talk our favorite way to end it. 2267 01:57:15,240 --> 01:57:17,240 Speaker 3: That's on the way. It's Fox Sports Saturday right here 2268 01:57:17,240 --> 01:57:18,560 Speaker 3: on Fox Sports Radio. 2269 01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:22,240 Speaker 13: Real two swinging and a mask. Good morning, good afternoon, 2270 01:57:22,280 --> 01:57:25,360 Speaker 13: and good night. Ramon Loreano and that is the ball game. 2271 01:57:25,480 --> 01:57:28,480 Speaker 13: Ryan Presley strikes out the side and the ninth to 2272 01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:32,839 Speaker 13: punctuate a five to two victory for the Astros at Opland. 2273 01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:43,840 Speaker 2: Welcome back in It's Fox Sports Saturday Live from the 2274 01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:47,120 Speaker 2: tire rack dot Com studios. That was the Progressive Play 2275 01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:49,919 Speaker 2: of the day, brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Progressive 2276 01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:53,280 Speaker 2: makes bundling easy and affordable. 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Tremendous day here John Ramos with 2285 01:58:23,640 --> 01:58:29,040 Speaker 2: us again technical producer extraordinary, Bo Benson, our outstanding producer 2286 01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:32,680 Speaker 2: and Isaac Lohencron doing an outstanding job on the updates. 2287 01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:35,880 Speaker 3: We got some money to earn. You over here, Jared, 2288 01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:37,600 Speaker 3: we'll start with you. What are you looking at? 2289 01:58:37,960 --> 01:58:41,960 Speaker 4: I mean, just fade the a's every day, right right again. 2290 01:58:42,600 --> 01:58:45,120 Speaker 4: It's not rocket science. No, I'm just kidding. Don't just 2291 01:58:45,200 --> 01:58:49,680 Speaker 4: blindly bet stuff, guys. But in this particular situation, you'd 2292 01:58:49,720 --> 01:58:51,280 Speaker 4: be up a lot if you faded the a's. This year, 2293 01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:53,120 Speaker 4: I'll go to the NBA because I think that's the 2294 01:58:53,120 --> 01:58:55,760 Speaker 4: big game of the night, right. I think if you're 2295 01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:58,040 Speaker 4: gonna bet the Celtics tonight, I like the Celtics. I 2296 01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:00,760 Speaker 4: think they win the game. If you are feeling the same, 2297 01:59:01,240 --> 01:59:03,800 Speaker 4: bet them to win the series. Because what you're essentially 2298 01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:05,640 Speaker 4: doing is you're taking a minus two and a half 2299 01:59:05,680 --> 01:59:10,120 Speaker 4: minus three price tonight and like a minus ten in 2300 01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:12,800 Speaker 4: Game seven, and you're boiling it down to one wager 2301 01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:16,040 Speaker 4: at like plus one twenty. So if they win tonight, 2302 01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:18,080 Speaker 4: then you have a plus one twenty ticket in your 2303 01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:20,360 Speaker 4: back pocket for Game seven, and the price the money 2304 01:59:20,400 --> 01:59:21,960 Speaker 4: line price for the Celtics a game seven. 2305 01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:23,280 Speaker 1: Is gonna be way hired than that. So it's about 2306 01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:24,400 Speaker 1: the Celtics to win the series. 2307 01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:27,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, every book I'm looking at has the Celtics minus 2308 01:59:27,800 --> 01:59:30,640 Speaker 5: three or something like that, three and a half other places. 2309 01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:34,280 Speaker 5: I don't know if they're gonna win by that much 2310 01:59:34,360 --> 01:59:36,520 Speaker 5: or more, but I do think they'll win. 2311 01:59:36,600 --> 01:59:37,480 Speaker 3: And if they win, I. 2312 01:59:37,440 --> 01:59:40,000 Speaker 5: Think they're gonna have to score pantloads of points. So 2313 01:59:40,520 --> 01:59:42,560 Speaker 5: I'm gonna take the over on the two to ten 2314 01:59:42,640 --> 01:59:46,600 Speaker 5: point total. Okay, give me the Washington Nationals. The Royals 2315 01:59:46,640 --> 01:59:49,040 Speaker 5: are ice freaking cold. Enjoy your money.