1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to Wired to Hunt's rut Fresh Radio, bringing you 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: the latest reports from the Whitetail Woods, presented by First Light, 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: First Light Go farther, stay longer, and now your hosts 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: Casey Smith and Tyler Jones. 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: This is rutfresh Radio. I'm your host, Casey Smith, and 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: guess what. 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 3: It's actually been a tough week in the Whitetail Woods, 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 3: but the looming effects of a potential coal front has 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 3: everybody on their toes. 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: This is rout Fresh. Let's go what's happening to everybody? 12 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: This is rutfresh, brought to you by First La Gear. Casey, 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 2: you've been doing some hunt lately? I have not. I 14 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: am like I am just chomping at the bit to 15 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: get out there. Yeah, I've been doing quite a bit 16 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: of elk hunting. 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 3: If you want to hear more about that, go check 18 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 3: out the Element podcast also dropped today. We'll have a 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 3: episode that gives a lot of details from that hunt, 20 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: because it was awesome. They were fired up and going 21 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 3: crazy because September is the l crut. However, September not 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 3: so much the whitetail rut. But bucks are killable if 23 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 3: you can get them on a pattern and you made 24 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 3: a remarkable to go off air. How that's a little 25 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 3: bit tough right now because a lot of people have 26 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 3: killed their patterned buck already in the month of September, 27 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 3: and now we're getting into the place where maybe you're 28 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: trying to plan B or planning C. You're trying to 29 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: find something new, and it gets a little tougher, especially 30 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 3: because animals are interesting. They are all just a little different, 31 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: just like humans. Like most humans are pretty predictable. We're 32 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 3: gonna eat something for breakfast, something for lunch, something for dinner. 33 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: But outside of that, you might have a Michael who 34 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 3: wants to go to Taco Bell or me and you 35 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 3: that want something kind of nice and cooked at home. 36 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: Right So that to say, right now, it's a little 37 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 3: bit tough because a lot of deer are doing different stuff. 38 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 3: And that's kind of what it sounds like kind of 39 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 3: across the country too. The guys are kind of remarking 40 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 3: that it's like pretty standard procedure out there, except for 41 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: the fact that nobody knows for sure what that procedure is. 42 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of it is that there's 43 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 2: a lot of nocturnal movements still right now, and I 44 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: think that those just kind of stagnant tempts, even if 45 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: they're not super hot, are still just not like inspiring 46 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: deer to move earlier. And it seems like with a 47 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: guess that that's kind of a thing for sure. But 48 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: you know, also, you know, you still have this pattern 49 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 2: pattern ability thing going on, and you guys will probably 50 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: hear like some of this going on, I'm sure from 51 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: a lot of the places across the country in the 52 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: next week or so, where if you do like your 53 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: season may just now be opening up, or it may 54 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: open up October one or something like that, So sometime 55 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: recently or within the next week, and if you have 56 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 2: something going your way on trail camera, then it's probably 57 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: gonna still go your way. You know. A cold front 58 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: would be great to inspire them to get up on 59 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 2: their feet, but it also could mess up some guy 60 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: who's got a pattern, you know, going right now. And 61 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 2: so if that's the guy and he's got a cold 62 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 2: front looming, he needs to go get out in the 63 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: woods right now and kill it. Dear for something changes, 64 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: you know, So it's also a good time of year 65 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: or two. 66 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 3: And this is kind of where the way I think 67 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 3: of things sometimes it doesn't align with everybody else. But 68 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 3: if you got deer that are moving pretty nocturnal, it's 69 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: a great time to hunt mornings and get into bedding. 70 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 4: You know. 71 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 3: It's like kind of a turn and burn type thing, 72 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 3: where like if you don't kill them, you might bust 73 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: it out. But like if you're you know, getting deer 74 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 3: on trail camera that are at night on a food source, 75 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 3: if you know a good idea about where they're bedding, 76 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: you can go on a morning, you know, get in 77 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: there real early and be in the right spot. You know, 78 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 3: it makes me think about believe it was October third 79 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: of the year twenty twenty one, you did that exact 80 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 3: thing South Dakota. We knew fourth it was it was 81 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: Eric's birthday. That's right, Yeah, that's right, birthday bug from Eric. 82 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 3: So we went then went and boughtym a twinkie at 83 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: the gas station. 84 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: Every hostess we could find it. 85 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 3: But yeah, so like it's the thing that works early 86 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 3: now that is you know, kind of a week out still, 87 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: but the deer pretty much going to be doing that 88 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: same thing until they shift to kind of that pre 89 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 3: rut stage, which we're all antsy about. 90 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: Right telling you, you know, and that's something that another 91 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: thing to consider, you know, if that that was a 92 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: public land deer, right, if I was, if I had 93 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: a place that I needed to play more conservative than 94 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 2: which I have a few you know, I'm not going 95 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 2: to go probably and do that unless I see something 96 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 2: change so or you know, even I can't remember in 97 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 2: twenty twenty when I killed a deer on a scrape 98 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 2: in Illinois, a big buck, and I played that pretty 99 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: conservative too, because we knew that that scrape had been 100 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 2: producing all summer, right, and so we knew what was 101 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 2: going to happen. We just needed we needed something to 102 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: really solidify the fact that there was gonna be a 103 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: good chance of daylight movement. And that was a big 104 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: cold front. And and instead I almost went a week early. 105 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: And if i'd have gone that that buck that I 106 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: killed showed up that on that cold front the week prior. 107 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: It just was he was in the in the dark. 108 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: So it ended up being good. I talked to some 109 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: people up there that were more from the area and 110 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 2: they were like, you should wait, I think because things 111 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: are still really just right at right at dark pretty 112 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 2: much if they're coming out in daylight. So it went doubt. 113 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 3: That brings up a little something we were actually fixing 114 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 3: to get to go finally do some why too, I'm 115 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: gonna tell you what state, because you're gonna creep us 116 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 3: out a little bit, and I don't want you to 117 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 3: come over finding us. 118 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: I know I pay for some of the people from 119 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: Maine to figure out our spots. 120 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 3: So but the place that we're going, we got some 121 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 3: permission on some private ground that is like a lot 122 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 3: of ag fields, and I don't know how much ground 123 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 3: we're gonna have. If that's not agg fields, you know, 124 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: it's gonna be like kind of like tree rose fence 125 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: rose in the fields, so a lot of deer around. 126 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 3: But that makes mornings really tough. And if there is cover, 127 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 3: we are liable to have to go through the agg 128 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 3: fields to get to it. So there's not a lot 129 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 3: of acreage to it. So the mornings or evenings thing. 130 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 3: It's going to have to be something to kind of 131 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 3: decide on this, Tyler, how do you feel about it? 132 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 3: Are you do you feel like because we're gonna do 133 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 3: this in about three days because we don't have a 134 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: lot of time to hunt this place. Is it worth 135 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 3: going in and boogering stuff or is it worth just 136 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 3: trying to have three good evening hunts where you don't 137 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 3: have deer that are all scooped up? 138 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: Man? I think I think you know, it's going to 139 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: be probably worth being a little bit conservative until the 140 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: last morning. Maybe you know, they're just kind of seeing 141 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: at least the first day or two. What what you 142 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: what you at least assume is going on. And the 143 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: issue with this and this is like a this is 144 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: a three through thing across the US probably, but ag 145 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: is produced by tractors which have to enter that ag 146 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: field through a road system at some point, right, so 147 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: you end up where you enter properties is the ag 148 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: and the betting is further back in right yep most 149 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: of the time. So that's why it's hard, because you 150 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 2: can't just you know, come in from the backside a 151 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: lot of times because if you could, then they would 152 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: plant that too or whatever, you know, and I feel 153 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: like we won't be walking. 154 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 3: But if you had a little e bike or something, 155 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 3: it might help that, you know, you can zoom back 156 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 3: there and just have a little bit different impact. Do 157 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 3: you think that this is something I actually don't know 158 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 3: the answer to. But deer seem to enter ag fields 159 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: at specific places, like they this is the spot that 160 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: the deer come in. They don't just kind of spider 161 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: web in. But I almost feel like in the morning 162 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: sometimes they kind of like spider web out, like they 163 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 3: kind of get caught out there and they're like, oh, 164 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: jump the fence. 165 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, right, sure, I feel like that too. 166 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: It's makes it a little tougher to try to pattern 167 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 3: deer because I was thinking, I was like, you know, 168 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 3: we could pull up. One way we could use our 169 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 3: mornings is glass and feel and figure out where they're 170 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: leaving the fields and then know you can go set 171 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 3: up there. 172 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: But a buck might do a loop. They don't use. 173 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 3: They don't actually do a lot of linear things. You know, 174 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 3: a lot of times they're looping to go who knows. 175 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:25,239 Speaker 2: What fee the next month or whatever. Yeah. 176 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't know, it'll be interested to see 177 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 3: because I haven't ever hunted this situation too much. 178 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: There's usually always like an option for. 179 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 3: The morning, and maybe there will be I don't know, 180 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 3: but it's gonna take some scouting stuff figure out well. 181 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: And I think that if there is an option it's 182 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: probably going to take a long walk and therefore early mornings. 183 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I've been doing a lot of long walking 184 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 3: and uh, I don't really want any more. 185 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 2: The evening. It's kind of tired. 186 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: Man. 187 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 188 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 3: Well, we do have a diverse group this week from 189 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 3: around the country to talk about what's going on the 190 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: White Tail Woods. It's kind of weird too, because a 191 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 3: lot of times things are different because the country is 192 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 3: so big and White tra are so different. But this 193 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 3: is like a really specific time of year where it's 194 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 3: like just that calm before the big game type thing 195 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 3: where everybody's just like, all right, it's coming, you know, 196 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: or whatever. 197 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 2: So who are we talking to today? Yeah, So I 198 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 2: try always to spread these things out when we you know, 199 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: quote unquote book guests. But I want to make sure 200 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 2: we're getting some south, some north, some east and west 201 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 2: that kind of thing as much as possible. And it's 202 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: hard depending on what sasars are open. But Arkansas opened 203 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: up recently, so our buddy Nick Gonzalez has been up 204 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: there hanging out with the mosquitoes and trying not to 205 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 2: get carried off in Arkansas. We're also going to talk 206 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 2: to cam Baits up in Wisconsin. Cam's a super cool dude, 207 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 2: very knowledgeable, smart individual that has been hunting the Wisconsin area. 208 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 2: And that's a state I've never hunted. Actually I've scouted it, 209 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: but I've never hunted it. I've seen it. That's what 210 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: you do. And then Jason Read from timber Ninja out 211 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 2: North Carolina. He's, you know, the speaking of walking, he's 212 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: the master walker. He loves walking very far into Christopher 213 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: just be walking all the time. He's out there walking 214 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 2: around in North Carolina hills. And then Garrett Addison from Minnesota. 215 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: He's been doing a much different game where you don't 216 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: walk very far because you hunt right next to the 217 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 2: driveway in the urban areas. That's cool, Yeah, it's it's 218 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: it is a diverse group and there's a lot of 219 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: different things going on. You know, a lot of you 220 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: people have been sending us messages about states and places 221 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: you know, you'd like to have. Unfortunately, there's about four 222 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: guests every week, and uh, there's you know what forty 223 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: something states that have white tail in them, and we're 224 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: gonna cover them as much as possible. Uh, but you know, 225 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 2: south central, western eastern Illinois might not make it. You know, 226 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 2: you know, no, I mean so especially not right now 227 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 2: because there's not a season open days, right. Illinois will 228 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: make it, you know, during the season, I'm sure, but 229 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: like your particular area, I'd like to help you out 230 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: and get that done. But it's it's enough for us 231 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: to get the states all lined out as much as possible. 232 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 2: So we're trying. We're trying, guys, and I appreciate your 233 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: support guys listening to this thing. I know Mark appreciates 234 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: it as well, and we'll try to have him back 235 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: on one of these days when he gets done trout 236 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: fishing and all that kind of stuff. So anyway, let's 237 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: get to those guys all right on the phone. Now, 238 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: I've got Nick Gonzalez. He's an Element correspondent. He's been 239 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: out in Arkansas. What's going on, Nick, Oh? 240 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 4: Not much. 241 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 5: About to get some Chick fil. 242 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: A, man, it's about to be, you know, a pleasurable 243 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 2: fast food experience, spicy deluxe time man, for sure. Cool. Well, 244 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 2: so you've been in Arkansas doing some hunting. You're hunting 245 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 2: publicly in I was how'd that go? 246 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 6: Say? 247 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 5: The least? I've had better hunts? 248 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't didn't see a whole lot 249 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 7: of deer action on this trip. Saw a few dough 250 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 7: lots of mosquitoes, and a lot of snakes. 251 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 3: Oh snake, all our bodies out there, What was what 252 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 3: was the tactic that you were so a little background here. 253 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 3: You you went on a hunt early last year Tarkansas 254 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: and had a good hunt, So I'm assuming you were 255 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 3: kind of just going off of some of the previous 256 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 3: knowledge there. What was the tactic that you were going 257 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 3: in there on? 258 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, so last year we were kind of hunting the food. 259 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 7: We also had some water, so last year was a 260 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 7: real dry year, and the location that we hunted last 261 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 7: year was one of the only spots in the area 262 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 7: that had really good water, which is what they were patterning. 263 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 7: This year, we weren't able to get to that same 264 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 7: spot just too due to a couple of different circumstances, 265 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 7: so we had to improvise out new areas. But essentially 266 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 7: we were hunting the same thing, just bead to food, 267 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 7: mostly acrons. Found some per simmons while we were out 268 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 7: there as well, so that's kind of what. 269 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 5: We were after. 270 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 2: Is that what those snakes were eating per simmons? 271 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 7: Uh No, the only thing that's all eating. Those actually 272 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 7: were coyotes. 273 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 2: Oh, they they see loves coyotes, man, man, k let 274 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 2: me tell you something. I have a lot of encounters 275 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: with coyotes these days. 276 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: It seems they intend to really like to mess up 277 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 3: my hunts, which I hope that didn't happen for you. 278 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, So what kind of acorns? Were they? Red oaks 279 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 2: or white oaks? 280 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 5: I couldn't tell you, to be honest with you. I 281 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 5: need to do some more research. 282 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: Were they small and in swampy areas? 283 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 7: Yeah? 284 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 5: They were small and they're real green. 285 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so probably like swamp or water oaks as 286 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: they call them, and willow oaks I would assume. But uh, 287 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 2: those things we found they they tend to work later 288 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: in the season two because they got so much tannin 289 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: in them. But any anyway, so you know you have 290 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: a rough hint. But you did see some deer, right, 291 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: I did? 292 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, just a few doze and they were both times, 293 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 7: are both sets that I saw them. They were hitting 294 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 7: the agrons just coming out of just coming out of 295 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 7: their bedding in the evening. 296 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: Where were they betting in being Yeah, just like super 297 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: thick honeysuckle and stuff like that or what was it? 298 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 7: Yeah, basically just yeah, thick areas like that. Yeah, it's 299 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 7: all swamp land out there's everything. You know, it's kind 300 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 7: of hard to find the betting because everything looks the same. 301 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: Cover Sure enough, Man, did you find any rubs yet 302 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: while you were out there? 303 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 7: I didn't find many at all. Actually I saw one 304 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 7: on a really small tree, but. 305 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 4: That was it. 306 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 2: Not like a little wispy to just give you not 307 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 2: much confidence. So you know, if you were if you 308 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 2: were thinking about like this next week based off any 309 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 2: you know, weather patterns or any variability that you can 310 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: think of, would you still hunt the same pattern maybe 311 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: a different area, But would you still hunt deer moving 312 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: from betting into the acorns? 313 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, for sure. I mean I think that's probably your 314 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 7: best bet at this point. Just I think that's the 315 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 7: only thing that they're moving for right now. 316 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 2: So i'd be moving from them cotton mouths. So, if 317 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: you had. 318 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 3: To predict the buck movement over the next week and 319 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 3: give it a rating of one to ten, what are 320 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 3: you going to call it for Arkansas? 321 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 7: Honestly, probably like a four, just because the weather is 322 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 7: going to be about the same. It's still pretty warm, 323 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 7: I think maybe mid to low sixties in the mornings 324 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 7: and then mid eighties or so in the during the day, 325 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 7: so I don't expect it to be much better than 326 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 7: it was this week. 327 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: M Yeah, okay, well, man, I hope that it goes 328 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: better for you next time you go up there, man. 329 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: And I hope your Chick fil A is super tasty 330 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: and as they say, I hope it's their pleasure, you 331 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: know what I mean that they save you that the 332 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: chick Fila. 333 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 5: They're pretty consistent, so I'm sure they are. 334 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: Chick Fish for board is pretty good on this one. 335 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 5: Man. 336 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thanks for hopping on and doing that for us. Man. 337 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: And uh yeah, we'll be talking to you soon. 338 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 5: All right, sounds good. 339 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 7: Appreciate you guys. 340 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: On the phone. I've got cam Baits. He's been out 341 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: in Wisconsin hunting. What's going on camp? 342 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 6: Oh Man, I'm honestly, I'm waiting for cold weather to 343 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 6: roll in. But that's not too big of an issue. Yeah, 344 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 6: I hunted the entire opening weekend, so Saturday Sunday learned 345 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 6: a lot actually, But yeah, I mean, I'm waiting for 346 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 6: some of the colder weather to roll in to really 347 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 6: see some more deer movement in the in the morning 348 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 6: hours and the evening hours than normal. 349 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's been good. Cool. Yeah, So I got 350 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 2: I got a quot for you. Then, uh, Saturday, I 351 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 2: coach the pee wee football game and it was ninety six. 352 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 2: What's cold for you in Wisconsin? Cool? Oh? 353 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 5: Man. 354 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 6: The temperatures I want to see in the morning, I 355 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 6: want to see in the thirties to forties. 356 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, in the current months we're at. Yeah. Yeah. 357 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 6: Opening day though, I think it was morning temps were 358 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 6: fifty five and then afternoon temps were seventy two and sunny. 359 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: Man. I think there's a song about that, isn't there. 360 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 3: Actually, So you know, this might be a little bit 361 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 3: like basic level, but I think it's probably a good 362 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 3: idea to talk about. 363 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 2: What do those cold tents do for you? 364 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 6: They get the they get the deer moving sooner. When 365 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 6: it's a little bit warmer out, the deer tend to 366 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 6: not hunker, They just bed longer, and so it pushes 367 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 6: out those moving times from where you'd want to see 368 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 6: at the six am, seven am, they push out to or. 369 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 2: Eight, nine, ten am. 370 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 6: So and so it doesn't really allow you to well, 371 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 6: it doesn't allow you to prep for the day. 372 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 2: Well m M, gotcha. 373 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 3: So do you also, you know, the tempts you listed 374 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 3: there were looking at kind of like first frost dates 375 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 3: and stuff. 376 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 2: Does the the. 377 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 3: Brows or the the food sources tend to shift whenever 378 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 3: you get that first frost. 379 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, by then you'd still see some of the you'd 380 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 6: see some of the farmers picking corn by then, or 381 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 6: picking beans. They've already started to pick corn up here. 382 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 6: But you start to see deer shift from movement out 383 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 6: to those types of food sources like egg food sources. 384 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 5: You see them. 385 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 2: Start shift inwards to. 386 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 6: Trees, dropping acorns, stuff like that. 387 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 2: So is that what you've been hunting, is you know 388 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 2: a major egg food sources. 389 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, so I tend to I tend to make my 390 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 6: decisions off of trail cameras right now because the land 391 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 6: I hunt isn't driving distance of my house, and so 392 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 6: I tend to hunt off of trail cameras right now. 393 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 2: And basically I'm really looking at travel. 394 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 6: Corridors, not necessarily where I would set up. 395 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 2: But to go, all right, are you moving in this direction? 396 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 6: If they're moving in this direction, then yes, they're probably 397 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 6: hitting that field during the evening time. And so I'm 398 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 6: just seeing what's moving to the food source. 399 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 3: Gotcha, are you thinking about scrapes at all yet or 400 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 3: is it still too early? 401 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: It's too early. 402 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 6: I would expect to see that here in the next 403 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 6: week or two where you see an uptick in scrapes 404 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 6: and rubs. 405 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 2: Actually, so in the next week is are you would 406 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 2: you change what you're doing if you're going forward and 407 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 2: hunting next week or would you stick with you know, 408 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: trail camera data that's showing you where they're head into 409 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: and essentially hunting between bed and food. 410 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 6: I would say within okay, I would say within the 411 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 6: next week, I'm going to stick with the trail cam 412 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 6: data and I'm going to hunt between bed and. 413 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 2: Food here in the next two to three weeks. 414 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 6: Then I would start looking for scrapes and rubs and 415 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 6: really determine, Hey, am I going to put my setup 416 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 6: near one of those travel corridors from scrape to rub 417 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 6: and just use that as where I would set up. 418 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 3: All right, cool man, So looking forward for the next week, 419 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 3: then if it's kind of consistent with what you've been 420 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 3: saying on a scale of one to ten, what do 421 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 3: you expect bug movement to be like over the next week? 422 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: Buck movement over the next week I would expect it 423 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 2: to probably be a six. Pretty good, that's not bad, man. 424 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, but that's also factoring in, Hey, through the trail cameras, 425 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 6: Do I have them figured out? Because I mean they're 426 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 6: still moving during the day, But it's do I have 427 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 6: that sussed out to know? Am I going to be 428 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 6: close to where they're still moving during the day between 429 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 6: these food sources embedding? Then I would say it's a six. 430 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 6: But below that, if you're just winging it, it drops. 431 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. 432 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well I feel like every time I'm winging it, 433 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 2: I have low odds anyway, So try gammers are helpful things, man, 434 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 2: for sure. Well we appreciate it. Cam. Thanks for the report. Man, 435 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 2: I hope that going forward. Uh like in two or 436 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: three weeks you're killing rutting bucks over scrapes and stuff. Man, Yeah, 437 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 2: I mean that'd be awesome. I'll for sure let you 438 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: guys know. All right, guys, Yeah, I have a good 439 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 2: one you too, see you on the phone now. I've 440 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 2: got Jason Redd. He's been out in North Carolina doing 441 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 2: some timber ninja stuff and hunting. How's it going, man, Man, 442 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: it's doing good. It's a beautiful day. I hear some 443 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: birds out there in the background. It sounds like, Yeah, 444 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 2: I'm sitting on the back porch. Yeah, you know, I 445 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 2: mean Portchiting this time of year can be pretty fun. 446 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 2: It's a little warm in Texas, but I don't know 447 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 2: if it's the same there in North Carolina or not. 448 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 8: Today Verhah is about seventy four. But we came out 449 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 8: of this. It's been hot. This is the end of 450 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 8: summer here, but this is our kind of like first 451 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 8: little sprinkling at fall. 452 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool. So you've been hunting a little bit 453 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 2: this week. You're the kind of guy that likes to 454 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: get after a target buck sometimes and really trying to 455 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 2: figure out something, especially on public land, and you know 456 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 2: some of that. Can you explain kind of what the 457 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 2: country you've been hunting looks like? 458 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 8: So, yeah, I hunt mainly National Forest up the mountains 459 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 8: North Carolina, So it's a lot of old grove forest, 460 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 8: you know, really no no timber cuts, you know, masts 461 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 8: and terrain is like your key key thing components here. 462 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 8: But yeah, I've been after a buck for four years 463 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 8: that I'm hunting right now. 464 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you told me you feel like you're kind of 465 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: squeezing in on him. And figuring him out. Now what 466 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 2: kind of what kind of pattern have you been unting 467 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 2: him on right now? What I've been really focused on 468 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: is food. Acorns are key here. 469 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 8: Acorns are dropping heavy in my area, and I know 470 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 8: where he likes to bed this time of year. He's 471 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 8: opened up some sign in there last week. You know 472 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 8: that they just started shedding their velvet last week, and 473 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 8: these rubs definitely looked like you know, he was shedding 474 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 8: his velvet. 475 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 2: And then he. 476 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 8: Also, you know, with that velvet coming off, that testosterone 477 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 8: going up, you know, deer kind of doing some funny 478 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 8: things right now. These bucks are and he already opened 479 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 8: up a scrape this week too, so you know, it's 480 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 8: right in the line, on this elevation line, with his 481 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 8: bed at this saddle. The one thing that limits me though, 482 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 8: is that I know he's bedding on private and I'm 483 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 8: hunting on the public, so I can't push any further 484 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 8: than I am. So you know, really what I'm working 485 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 8: on is, you know, him coming to this saddle to 486 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 8: eat acorns, but with so much mass on the ground 487 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 8: right now, he doesn't had to travel very far. 488 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 2: Do you have cameras in the area. 489 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 8: I just put one in that area because he wasn't 490 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 8: in there last year this time, but he had been 491 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 8: the previous years that I've hunted him, and for whatever reason, 492 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 8: I didn't get him in their early season last year. 493 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 8: And I think, you know, as he's you know, he's 494 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 8: at least a seven year old beer, so I think, 495 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 8: you know, his home range is shrinking and this is 496 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 8: primarily has been his core area. So I think he's 497 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 8: going to be in there tire this year. 498 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 2: I'd be interested to see how much daylight movement you're 499 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: getting for sure. That's ah, you know, that's an interesting 500 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 2: It's an interesting time of year because you know, as 501 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 2: we get kind of closer to October, some of those 502 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: scrapes will open up and those kind of things, and uh, 503 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 2: in my in the past, you know, it's it can 504 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 2: still be hard to kill him very far from their beds, 505 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 2: you know, and until like late October a lot of times. 506 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 2: So that's interesting. Now, if you were you know, you said, 507 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 2: you've had kind of a just a spout of decent weather, 508 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 2: good decent tempts. It's been kind of warm before that. 509 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 2: What is uh, what is the forecast looking like going forward? 510 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: I mean, are you going to be probably sticking to 511 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: the same type of thing, trying to really just hunt 512 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 2: really close to that private and and hopes that he 513 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: shows up in the daylight. 514 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean so, actually I'm going on a trip 515 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 8: out of state next week, but if I was hunting him, 516 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 8: you know all this week, you know that moon's starting 517 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 8: to come full, and I do notice a little bit 518 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 8: more mid day movement when you have a full moon 519 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 8: in the early season, because I you know, I think 520 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 8: this beer out but uh yeah, but my goal is 521 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 8: I did put a sale cam in there, and I 522 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 8: want to see, you know, if there's potential that he's 523 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 8: beating on the other side of his sadle. If he is, 524 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 8: I can push a little bit further, so I'd be 525 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 8: in there, you know, really. 526 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 2: As close as I could. Because any type. 527 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 8: Of weather change, you know it's somewhat drastic or the 528 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 8: moon can make that deer guy his bed a little 529 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 8: bit surelier and travel a little bit longer. 530 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 2: Sure So, if you had to make a guess at 531 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: what the buck movement will be like on a scale 532 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 2: of one to ten in the next week, based off 533 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 2: of weather patterns, moon or just time a year or 534 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: anything any variable, what would you rate the buck movement 535 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 2: to be like, if you had to guess. 536 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 8: I think, if you know, as we get into later 537 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 8: next week, i'd be more along with seven scale personally, 538 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 8: and I would, like I said, I think I would 539 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 8: gamble on that being a midday, early season movement, So 540 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 8: I'd be getting to my stand about seven or eight 541 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,479 Speaker 8: o'clock and pretty much sitting all day if I had 542 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 8: something I was seriously after. If I don't have something 543 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 8: I'm seriously after right now, I'd have a stand on 544 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 8: my back checking fresh sign around dropping oaks, because you 545 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 8: know those bucks, they tend to like a certain o 546 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 8: shaw until they move on to another one. 547 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 2: Gotcha, man, that's a good report. Well, I appreciate the time, Jason, 548 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 2: and I hope that you get to wrap your hands 549 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 2: around his antlers at some point man this year. Yeah, buddy, 550 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: we will, thanks man. Okay, Now on the phone, I've 551 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 2: got Garrett Oddison. He's hunting up in Minnesota. He's been 552 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 2: hunting with the White Tailed DNA team and Alex Comstock 553 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 2: up there. Man, what's been going on? 554 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 4: Oh, not a whole lot, Tit's I've been pretty slow. Actually, 555 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 4: are mature bucks are kind of mi I A we 556 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 4: actually just had one show up the other day. But 557 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 4: for the most part, we're just sitting in spots waiting 558 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 4: for those boys to show up. 559 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 5: Yeah are they? 560 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 2: So? Are those big mature bucks you when you say 561 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 2: showing up you're mean on camera? 562 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 5: I guess right, yeah, pretty much, or we're the mouth. 563 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: I guess Okay, sure. 564 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 5: So we're in a suburban setting, so you'll talk around. 565 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 2: Here, yeah, man, I mean people are seeing that. There's joggers, 566 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 2: there's bickers, all of it. Man, So sure sure yeah. 567 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 2: So as far as as far as the camera data goes, 568 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 2: are those deers showing up in daylight? Ah? 569 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 5: Not yet so far. 570 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 4: I think we're so are we're blocked up in our city. 571 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 4: We're giving sections, so we're only able to hunt so far. 572 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 4: And some of these big mature bucks are smart, you know, 573 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 4: and they pulled off in the spots that you can't hunt. 574 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 5: And then once we get closer. 575 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 4: To the middle of October November, they're going to start growing. 576 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 5: Up in those spots where we can hunt. 577 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 4: Right now, we're getting them, yeah right, we're getting them 578 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 4: after dark right now? 579 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: Gotcha? So what what patterns are you hunting them on? 580 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 2: Are you just hoping that you can get as close 581 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 2: to bedding as possible, or are you sitting near feed 582 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,479 Speaker 2: of some sort or what? 583 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, right now we're sitting pretty close to feed. 584 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 4: We're still, like pretty much mostly everybody in the Midwest. 585 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 5: Hunting food to bed. 586 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 4: We're just trying to get in between those bucks and 587 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 4: just hoping for a hail Mary. Right now, one of 588 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 4: our teammates is on a pretty good one, and so 589 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 4: he's on. 590 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,959 Speaker 2: I guess is the what's the feed that you're you have? 591 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 4: Uh, we got acorns, we have apples. 592 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 5: Sometimes the deer, you know, going to people's gardens. 593 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 4: So if you can set up close to as close 594 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 4: as you can to people's houses, I mean, that's where 595 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 4: the deer is trying to go. 596 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: Gotcha. Okay, So as far as like the you know, 597 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: shoot a deer in that situation, does it ever make 598 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 2: you nervous? 599 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 7: Yeah? 600 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 5: It does, for sure. For sure. You try. 601 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 4: That's what the whole summer is, trying to make the 602 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 4: most ethical shot and make the most when it happens. 603 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet man. So, you know, when I talked 604 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 2: to you first before we were on air here, you 605 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: mentioned that it's kind of rainy up there. I guess 606 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 2: it's been kind of rainy. Has that been kind of 607 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 2: the conditions last week? 608 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:28,239 Speaker 5: Uh? 609 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 4: I know they've actually been pretty hot, which is probably 610 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 4: why those bucks are staying after. 611 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 5: Dark two before they're getting up out of their beds. 612 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 2: So do you think this weather will change things? 613 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 5: Yeah? 614 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 4: For sure, because I'm looking at next week, it's supposed 615 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 4: to temperature supposed to drop into the sixties, so that 616 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 4: should get. 617 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 5: Those deer moving earlier. 618 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 2: Okay, So you so if you were going to be 619 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 2: hunting next week, or say you're gonna you're going to hunt, 620 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 2: are you hunting the same patterns essentially hunting apple trees, 621 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 2: ach and trees, those kind of things, and trying to 622 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 2: still hope that those bucks are just getting up on 623 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 2: their feet earlier, but you're you know, ending up in 624 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 2: the in those spots before dark hits. 625 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 5: Yeah for sure, for sure. 626 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 4: I'm also going off of a historical data. I know 627 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 4: where these for the most part. I mean, it's a 628 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 4: deer can go wherever it wants. 629 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 5: But going off historical data, those deer they're bound to 630 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 5: move through my area. I just got to be there 631 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 5: at the right place at the right time, right. 632 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 4: So this, like you said, this next week is looking 633 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 4: a lot better than it did opening. 634 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 2: Week, gotcha. Okay, So if you if you had to 635 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 2: rate it on a scale of one to ten as 636 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 2: far as buck movement goes in the next week, based 637 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 2: off of any variables you can think of, what would 638 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 2: you what would you give it? 639 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 5: I would go probably solid five. 640 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 2: Okay, that's good man. You know five was my number 641 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 2: in high school, So I'm cool with that. You know, awesome, dude. Well, 642 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 2: I appreciate the information, Garrett, and I hope that those 643 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 2: big bucks show up for you next week. 644 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 5: All right, me too, man, say yeah, yeah. 645 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 3: Those are some fantastic reports from around the country, some 646 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 3: real information for you to use and to get you 647 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 3: hop about the upcoming days. 648 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening. 649 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 3: If you need to get a little bit more hope 650 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 3: and you're kind of more the reading type, Mark Kenyon 651 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 3: just put out a article about how he spreadsheet can 652 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 3: help you kill your target buck. And that guy knows 653 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 3: because he is all about his target bucks and all 654 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 3: about his spreadsheets too. 655 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 2: Oh he is Holy field master. Right. 656 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 4: You know. 657 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 2: You can also watch Mark if you don't like reading 658 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 2: too much, which I understand. Mark actually has a new 659 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 2: there's a new episode out on the med Eater YouTube 660 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 2: channel for the one Week in November series. Mark is 661 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 2: the thumbnail guy. So if you see oh Mark in 662 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 2: the sweet new source jacket from First Light with the 663 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: binos in his hands, trying to look at a deer 664 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 2: a target buck apparently down in to the right corner, 665 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: that's that is a new video on the YouTube channel. 666 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 2: You should check it out. Guys, Thanks for listening this week. 667 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 2: This has been ret fresh, Keep it fresh.