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Speaker 1: This is Emily, and this is budget and you're listening

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Speaker 1: to stuff Mom never told you. And today I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited to talk through a topic that comes up quite

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Speaker 1: a bit in my life, and that is the topic

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Speaker 1: of problematic faves. What is a problematic fave? Bridget? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked. A problematic fave according to Urban Dictionary,

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Speaker 1: which is sort of a I mean, it's like, how

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Speaker 1: for the youngsters. Yeah, and for those like me who

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Speaker 1: gets a real specific. It'll be like, a bridget is

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Speaker 1: a person who never pays you back when she borrows money.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a bad experience with a bridget? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can go rant about and Emily, but check out

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Speaker 1: the difference between Emily with an I E and Emily

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Speaker 1: with a why and Urban Dictionary sometime I found it

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Speaker 1: a problematic fave, according to Urban Dictionary is a favorite person,

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Speaker 1: so I got thinking about this. Um. I am someone

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Speaker 1: who enjoys a wide spectrum of popular culture, including popular

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Speaker 1: they do well. There's actually data that shows that a

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Speaker 1: lot of this is being driven by younger folks. Millennials

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Speaker 1: I say, don't read it now, let's have a nice dinner.

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Speaker 1: She would then say call me tomorrow if you want it, fine,

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Speaker 1: otherwise I'll produce it myself. And that is Judge Judy's

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Speaker 1: form of negotiation. How can you not love? That means

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Speaker 1: something out of my fantasies, and she can. She can

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Speaker 1: do it like she's so powerful and so successful and

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Speaker 1: so good. She's got it, like she's one of a kind.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why we missed that tactic in the negotiation,

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Speaker 1: take your to take your boss to a steak let

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Speaker 1: me know, don't open it now, Let's enjoy a nice

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Speaker 1: meal first. I think that is like the real death

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Speaker 1: knell of that. So she's a boss, there's no doubt

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Speaker 1: about it. Judge Judy is getting paid, she's taken no prisoners.

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Speaker 1: She has risen up from relative obscurity to being the

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Speaker 1: highest paid daytime TV mogul and talent. So what's not

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Speaker 1: to love, bridget Well, I'll tell you what's not to

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Speaker 1: love after this quick break and we're back. And I

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Speaker 1: was just talking about my number one faith, Judge Judy,

446
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: who's rapidly becoming my number one faith. The best should

447
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Speaker 1: be everyone's faith. But here's why she's a problematic faith

448
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Speaker 1: and not just a faith faive judge Judy commits my

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Speaker 1: number one feminist. Sin uh, well, maybe not number one,

450
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Speaker 1: but one of many. When you ask someone are you

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Speaker 1: a feminist? And they waffle, I hate that so much.

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Speaker 1: She didn't even really waffle. She said no, she does

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Speaker 1: not embody the term at all. She does not. Did

454
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Speaker 1: she not get the memo from Adici in this sample

455
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Speaker 1: track in the middle of Fiance's album, come on, we

456
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Speaker 1: should all be feminists? Yeah, I think that everybody should

457
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Speaker 1: be a feminist, but I think especially I'm particularly bothered

458
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Speaker 1: when someone says I'm not a feminist. I just think

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Speaker 1: that men and women should have the same I just

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Speaker 1: think that men and women should have to be paid

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Speaker 1: the same. I just think that men and women should

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Speaker 1: be equal society. And I'm saying that's saying I mean,

463
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Speaker 1: it frustrates me to no when right, Well, it's just

464
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Speaker 1: a good reminder that people hear the word feminist and

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Speaker 1: still don't immediately think gender equality, which is what feminism

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Speaker 1: is all about. It's not about women above men. It's

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Speaker 1: really about the equal social, political, economic, whatever justice between

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Speaker 1: women and men. And it's just a bummer that even

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Speaker 1: you know, as smart and savvy and witty as the

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Speaker 1: sixties seven year old TV judge, who by the way,

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Speaker 1: is a mother of five and grandmother of eleven, is

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Speaker 1: not setting the role model of not only being a mogul,

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Speaker 1: not only being an unapologetically assertive women, but also saying

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Speaker 1: that makes me a feminist. It's just it's just a bummer.

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Speaker 1: It is a bummer. I'm really taken by this article

476
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Speaker 1: in jezz Bell a few years ago about Judge Judy

477
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Speaker 1: and her feminism or lack thereof, where she basically kind

478
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Speaker 1: of denies sexism and doesn't see the sexism inherent in

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Speaker 1: her own come up story. She says, I never felt

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Speaker 1: I didn't have an equal opportunity as a woman, despite

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Speaker 1: the fact that she earlier mentioned that she was one

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Speaker 1: of only six women enrolled in her law school, where

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Speaker 1: she also admits professors didn't have much regard for female students,

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Speaker 1: and she goes on to say, some of the professors

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Speaker 1: treated you as if you were a skunk at a

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Speaker 1: lawn party, and as if you were there as a hobby.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes that takes away your spirit, and sometimes it makes

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Speaker 1: you tougher. It made me mad and tough. There were

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Speaker 1: a lot of schmucky guys in my class who were

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Speaker 1: all going to be mediocre lawyers at best. And to me,

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Speaker 1: I mean, how can you not read that anecdote and say,

492
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Speaker 1: look at that. That is that is gender inequality, that

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Speaker 1: is sexism. But she, for some reason, to her, it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it made me tough, and that's why I don't need

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Speaker 1: feminists and not a feminist because I saw this as

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Speaker 1: the setback. And I isn't this like classic second generation

497
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Speaker 1: shoulder pad wearing eight nineteen eighties there can only be

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Speaker 1: one woman at the top type feminism, because all I

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Speaker 1: can think of is this is like a feminist version

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Speaker 1: of the Horatio alger myth, which is classic to the

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Speaker 1: American come up story, which is this idea pull yourself

502
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Speaker 1: up by your bootstraps, just like I did. Why can't you?

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Speaker 1: She killed it. Clearly her career worked out, but that

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean gender discrimination doesn't prevent a hundred million other

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Speaker 1: equally talented judge judy's out there who aren't given that

506
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Speaker 1: same shot. So she's saying, yeah, it was tough. Sexism

507
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: chipped up my ego on occasion and made things a

508
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Speaker 1: little tougher for me. But I never felt like I

509
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Speaker 1: didn't have equal opportunity. It's this very libertarian way of saying,

510
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Speaker 1: I made my own opportunities, so why can't you? And

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Speaker 1: you've always said on this podcast, feminism is not about

512
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Speaker 1: one woman's rise, right, Yeah, Feminism is not one is

513
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: not cheering one woman doing awesome, although that's great. Feminism

514
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: is about lifting up there's Feminism is about acknowledging that

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Speaker 1: even if another female identified person has different problems, different struggles,

516
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: different chains, different oppression, our oppression is a linked and

517
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Speaker 1: I can't get free unless she is also free, exactly,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's where Judge Judy sees that very differently.

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Speaker 1: She sees the world very differently. I would venture to

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Speaker 1: guess she's a Republican. I mean, she really clearly believes

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Speaker 1: in in individualism and that pull yourself up by your

522
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: own bootstraps type and mentality. In that same article, she says, quote,

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Speaker 1: I believe in the individual spirit. It was hard for

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Speaker 1: me to put my heart into organizations that were trying

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Speaker 1: to tell me something that I never felt. In that quote,

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Speaker 1: she's referencing feminist uprising organizations, and I understand where she's

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Speaker 1: coming from. She's saying, I never really felt discriminated against.

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Speaker 1: So all that discrimination that you're talking about other women,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe women across the spectrum of intersectional feminism,

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Speaker 1: maybe women who don't have the same skin tone as

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Speaker 1: I do, or don't have the same uh sexual or

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Speaker 1: intation than I do, or ability that I do, etcetera, etcetera,

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Speaker 1: and onward that discrimination and describing I never felt that,

534
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Speaker 1: so therefore it's not valid and there's no need to

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Speaker 1: work against it in any kind of organized way. Um.

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00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: I have to stick up for Judge Juty in the

537
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: typical problematic fame defensiveness. She claims to have voted for

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama. She is pro choice and pro gay marriage.

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00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: She does definitely have some She's sort of like Angie Harmon.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you watch Law and Order, but

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Speaker 1: she's I could talk all day about how much I

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00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: love Angie Harmon, but is a huge Republican. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but who do you think she voted for? Kills me

544
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Speaker 1: if I use Sweet Jesus, she cannot. If I find

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Speaker 1: out that Judge Dudy voted for Trump, my life will

546
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Speaker 1: be over. Sorry and Jen, Sorry, Oh my gosh, Judge Duty,

547
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: if you're listening, please get get in touch with me.

548
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: We can work it out. If you voted for Trump,

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00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: we can get you out of this. Thank you. I

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00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: don't know, can we. I think we need her to

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00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: save us. She's a strong woman. Clinic. I would she

552
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: identified with Clintic. She has to. They're so similar in

553
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: some ways. I don't know it is It would make

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00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: her much more problematic, wouldn't it if she voted. But

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Speaker 1: here's the thing I get. I really do have a

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Speaker 1: ton of respect for a lot of Republicans, and I

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00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: get the free market, capitalist approach. I'm a business owner.

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00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: I believe in capitalism as a vehicle for positive change

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00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 1: to not just oppression, which we've had some really interesting

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00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: conversations with our fans on social media about recently. Yeah,

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00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I I feel bit differently. I would not

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Speaker 1: call myself a capitalist, but so I sort of see though.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I see, I have respect for what she's accomplished,

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Speaker 1: and I understand this blindness to other people's oppression. I

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00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: just don't think I think she can do better. I

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Speaker 1: think she's got incredible intellect and wit and empathy clearly

567
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: is involved in being a good judge. So I'd be

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00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: surprised for her to not have her awoken NG. You know,

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Speaker 1: from an intersectional feminist perspective, maybe that's Sara. Maybe we

570
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: can have lunch with her. Yeah, maybe we can. I would.

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00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: Maybe we can send our intersectional feminism law. If anyone

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00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: has a connection to Judge Juty, please get in touch

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00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: with me. I would. I would die happy. And I'm

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00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: sure we could all learn from each other at that. Definitely, definitely.

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Speaker 1: But I think you know, when I bring it back

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Speaker 1: to this, this concept of being a problematic faith, I

577
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: think the tumbler your favorite problematic if you go to

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Speaker 1: there frequently ask questions, I think they really kind of

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Speaker 1: capture how I feel. So you were to write in

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Speaker 1: and say, okay, my favorite problematic. Now what they write,

581
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm sorry it upsets you, but it's important to remember

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Speaker 1: that our favorites are human and they will make mistakes

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00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: and do or say bad things. This does not necessarily

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00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: mean they are bad people, nor does it mean that

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00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: you cannot like them all. It means that you should

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00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: acknowledge their flaws and that they should be held accountable

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Speaker 1: for them. And I think that is hard, but I

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00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: think that is so so right. And so you know,

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00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: if you have a problematic faith, whether it's Judge Duty

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00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: or Kim Kardashian or Justin Bieber or Woody Allen. Maybe

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00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: not him, but um I mean his art. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get it, you know, acknowledging. It's okay that I

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00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: still like this person. It's okay that I can't separate

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Speaker 1: Bill Cusby. Oh that's is it? Okay? I have to

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00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: say I've mentioned on the show how much I love

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Speaker 1: the show A Different World, which he's not in to produced.

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00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: So I will always like that show, but he's quickly

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Speaker 1: becoming someone to me that like. It's also R Kelly.

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00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: If you still like Kelly, I'm giving you major side eyes.

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Speaker 1: It's the other rapper that always we always waffle on.

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Speaker 1: It's not Chris Brent, it's Drake. Okay, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: comparatively all right, But what you were saying is that

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Speaker 1: it's okay, it's okay. And I think what they're saying is,

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Speaker 1: you know, to be honest about it, and it's okay

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00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: to recognize people's flaws. I also think it's really interesting

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00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: that one of the questions they have on their fa

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Speaker 1: queues are okay, well, your your blog is problematic. Are

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Speaker 1: you going to post on that, and they say, we

609
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Speaker 1: do not think we are exempt from doing problematic things.

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Speaker 1: We we want to be called out when we do.

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Speaker 1: We do not think this blog is perfect. We have

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Speaker 1: made mistakes in the past. We are not witty or

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Speaker 1: original by sending this sort of message. And I think,

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Speaker 1: as as sort of meta as that is, that's what

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00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: it all comes down to, Like our faiths are problematic.

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Speaker 1: We are problematic. I am problematic. You are problematic. Everything

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00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: is problematic, and that's okay. We're here and that just

618
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: makes us analytical and interesting and open to learning and growth.

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Speaker 1: I really think it's about having a growth mindset on

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Speaker 1: this stuff, and that I think is hopefully we've made

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Speaker 1: it clear that we're really walking the walk on this

622
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: because this podcast is an exercise in hopefully where somebody's faiths,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. If I'm your faith, I'm

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00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: hella problematic exactly. I mean, we're all imperfect, and we've

625
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: been very transparent about that, and I think we learn

626
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: as much as I hope you listeners learn from us.

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00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: So I think the exchange of ideas is what this

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Speaker 1: is really all about, and that we welcome your call

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Speaker 1: ins and call out as as a part of that,

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Speaker 1: of that path for growth. I really also thoroughly enjoy

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Speaker 1: how the authors of that Jezebel piece kind of reconcile

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Speaker 1: their feelings about Judge. Shety, Oh, they're doing exactly what

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Speaker 1: I do. So they write, so like Mormon people who

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Speaker 1: baptize the dead, I will anoint Judge duty as a

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Speaker 1: feminist and get on with my life. That's basically what

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Speaker 1: I've done in my mind. She's a feminist. She doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to say it. I see it enough for me.

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Speaker 1: I love it, and I think that's a perfectly reasonable

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Speaker 1: way to psychologically compartmentalize your sort of phase status for

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Speaker 1: someone like Judge. Judy and listeners, I hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: today's conversation because there's a lot of problematic phase that

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Speaker 1: we would like to break down and discuss. In fact,

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Speaker 1: somebody that has been on the headlines a lot lately,

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Speaker 1: and you have already been writing into our inbox often

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Speaker 1: about who is probably this is what I posted on

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Speaker 1: your social media page on Facebook when you asked about

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Speaker 1: this is my number one problematic faith. And that's who

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Speaker 1: we're going to discuss on our next problematic fave episode,

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Speaker 1: and that is the one and only Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 1: We I have a lot of opinions about Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 1: I know she's your faith. I know she's probably the

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Speaker 1: faith of of lots of people, and she's great and

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Speaker 1: a lot don't tell me how problematic she is yet.

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Speaker 1: When you're ready, you're ready. We're here. You're here to

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Speaker 1: help me anytime, help me part here? Okay? Good? Anything

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Speaker 1: else before we sign off? I loved re falling in

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Speaker 1: love with Judge Judy. Thank you. One last thing, Google

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Speaker 1: Judge Judy vacation photo. There's an amazing photo of herod

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Speaker 1: vacation on a yacht wearing a kimono and a bikini.

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Speaker 1: You're glad to see this picture. It's an emblematic of

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Speaker 1: everything that is amazing about Judge Cheaty. Well, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for taking your time to join us today.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear more from you. Listeners and

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Speaker 1: Bridget and I are dying to know what your number

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Speaker 1: one problematic faves are. Send us a tweet at mom

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Speaker 1: Stuff podcast, tag us on Insta at Stuff Mom Never

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Speaker 1: Tell us all about your problematic faves and tell us

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Speaker 1: who you think we should break down next in an

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