WEBVTT - Ep 309: The Other Side Of Entrepreneurship 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, hey, hey, we're back. We're black. I'm blacker because

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<v Speaker 1>of the sun from Jordan, We're brown and this.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey manr hey, welcome back from your desert goddess vacation.

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<v Speaker 1>We had such a good I had such a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it was so remember I said by BALI was

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<v Speaker 1>like neon. Look, if I had to like give it

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<v Speaker 1>like a color palette, then Jordan was Pastel's. It was

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<v Speaker 1>just a soft like the sand, the pinks, the blues,

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<v Speaker 1>everything was just a soft, soft, soft coloring over the landscape.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just I mean, I got to float in

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<v Speaker 1>the Dead Sea, which is like thirty percent salt water,

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<v Speaker 1>so you get to float because I do not know

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<v Speaker 1>how to fly. I can swimish, but float not me.

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<v Speaker 1>But I got to float. I even did like the

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<v Speaker 1>mud mass because the Dead Sea, the mud is supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be so full of minerals. If you have sense

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<v Speaker 1>of skin, don't do that. You can't tell it right

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<v Speaker 1>now because I'm extra chocolate. Yo, I am broken out

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<v Speaker 1>like a fourteen year old. Don't do it, don't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>But still very epic.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to remember that the next time I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>the Dead Sea.

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<v Speaker 1>I also got to like get rebaptized in the Jordan River.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's where Jesus got baptized.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was really wow, It's like a spiritual yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I didn't think about it that way, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>but until we went. I mean, it was certainly odd

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<v Speaker 1>being on the Jordanian side and then seeing literally a

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<v Speaker 1>few feet away the Israeli side. And so in Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>they don't call Israel Israel. They call it occupied Palestine.

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<v Speaker 1>So even just like that energy was like, okay, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, you know, the history come to life. You

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<v Speaker 1>get to kind of see and see how people think

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<v Speaker 1>and feel, and so that was interesting. I got to

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<v Speaker 1>swim in the Red Sea, which was interesting. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>really red, it's just that the water is so clear

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a lot of red coral. So when the

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<v Speaker 1>sun shines sometimes it reflects back red. We spent the

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<v Speaker 1>night in a Bedouin camp in the desert. I rode

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<v Speaker 1>a camel. I sent Mandy camel pictures.

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<v Speaker 2>I lived for them. I want to post some of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I have permission to get amber to do some

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<v Speaker 2>social posts?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you can't. You can't, cause that a really great picture.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna lie and then last and not least,

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<v Speaker 1>I got to go to Petra has always been on

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<v Speaker 1>my list, you know, like to So for those of

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<v Speaker 1>you who are not familiar, Petra is like this city

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<v Speaker 1>that has been carved out of a mountain side. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's sandstone rock, which is red, but it has very

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful coloring, like waves of blues and greens into the sandstone.

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<v Speaker 1>So this ancient culture literally thousands of years ago, they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to protect their city. So on one side seems

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<v Speaker 1>like a mountain if you're an invader, but on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the mountain they carved out this beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>city carved so you get like five six story buildings

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<v Speaker 1>that are carved into rock, and it was just so

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<v Speaker 1>epically beautiful. It just it was breathtaking. And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just had such an amazing, amazing I.

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<v Speaker 3>Went on a tour.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I just it just had such an amazing time.

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<v Speaker 1>It was it's nice to be back home. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was only a week, but it was just I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so glad I went. Because Jordan is not one of

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<v Speaker 1>the places that people just say like, oh, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to go to Jordan. So yes, but you had your

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<v Speaker 1>own adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>If you had to miss our big sight or it

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<v Speaker 2>felt like you missed the prom. And I was like, fine,

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<v Speaker 2>if you had to miss the prom, at least it

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<v Speaker 2>was for to be baptized where Jesus was back. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you missed the wavies?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>No, First of all, you look so fly. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you had to post the post the pic Mandy was

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<v Speaker 1>wearing yellow and was wearing it, honey, Okay, curls was

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<v Speaker 1>popping face was done.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I went.

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<v Speaker 2>It really felt like prom. It also felt like a

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<v Speaker 2>coming out party that I haven't like for me, just

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<v Speaker 2>emerging from the pandemic, because I have not had a

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<v Speaker 2>night like that. And Husbie came with me, as did

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<v Speaker 2>our producer Tan.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, hey Tan, Yeah girl.

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<v Speaker 2>When I tell you so, yesterday was officially like the

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<v Speaker 2>sixth day or seven day mark from the event, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, do.

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<v Speaker 3>I get to like do a little tap dance?

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<v Speaker 2>And I didn't get COVID because let me tell we

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<v Speaker 2>were I mean it was a huge event. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Meg the Stallion.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there, Drew Barry, how many people do you think about?

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<v Speaker 2>Lots of hundreds of people were there. Everyone had to

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<v Speaker 2>be vaccinated and you had to show proof of vaccination.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, these COVID rates are going up even

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<v Speaker 2>in New York City. But I I just told myself,

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<v Speaker 2>just pretending you're from the Midwest today, COVID is a

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<v Speaker 2>hoax and we're just gonna like live our lives and

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<v Speaker 2>party OVID.

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<v Speaker 3>Damn we partied.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, it was so it was so fun

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean, it's I get to Red Brown ambition.

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<v Speaker 2>So and my husband, Oh, shout out to Husby because

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<v Speaker 2>when I was doing the red carpet. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>for those who didn't see my ig story about this,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I have not worn a heel in

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<v Speaker 2>a solid two three years. I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 2>even wore before I had a baby. But anyway, so

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<v Speaker 2>I had these really cute heels, a whole luke that

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<v Speaker 2>I put together, and the red carpet line was about

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<v Speaker 2>forty minutes long, and there was like down these random,

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<v Speaker 2>like downpours of rain. So we were like huddling under

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<v Speaker 2>these little tents and umbrellas, and I don't know why

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't occur to me to take my heels off

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<v Speaker 2>and just kind of barefoot it until it got.

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<v Speaker 3>To the red cart.

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<v Speaker 2>By the time it was my turn, I realized my

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<v Speaker 2>right foot had fallen asleep, like and I had to

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<v Speaker 2>drag my dead log of a leg car And it

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<v Speaker 2>was so funny. But then in the background I just

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<v Speaker 2>hear I heard the photographers saying and a shout out

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<v Speaker 2>to the one photographer who was like, yeah, sleigh. But

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<v Speaker 2>when I could hear one of them being like, who

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<v Speaker 2>is she? Hush, and I heard Enrique's voice going, that's

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<v Speaker 2>Anty woodruff Santo. She's with brown Ambish.

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<v Speaker 1>You bet it, you bet it? Hive her up? So cute?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it was. It was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know everyone I was like brown and yes,

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<v Speaker 2>brown Ambition, Yes, this is our podcast for best business podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was so fun.

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<v Speaker 2>We went to the after party.

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<v Speaker 3>I do what you like?

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have the baby.

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<v Speaker 2>We about to No, they went home early. He had

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<v Speaker 2>an early day the next day, so it was me

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<v Speaker 2>and Tanya. Me and Tanya went to went to the

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<v Speaker 2>after party. Questlove was on the what do you say?

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<v Speaker 3>The one? I don't know if they called him that anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>Ill that he played some music for us, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was so fun. It was it felt good

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<v Speaker 2>to feel free.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the week of anxiety afterward, like, is that covid?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it the Rona? No, you're just hungover.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you were out so three am. But it was

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<v Speaker 2>it'll you know those moments, I feel like, who knows

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<v Speaker 2>if it'll happen again. So it was fun. I would

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<v Speaker 2>have been so much more fun if you were there.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm glad we were both on our little adventures exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like an amazing time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and what did you come home to? What's happening

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<v Speaker 2>in this crazy, crazy world that we lived?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, I mean obviously like recession, I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>all these layoffs, and I mean, if y'all know that,

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<v Speaker 1>I had to do my own set of layoffs. We

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<v Speaker 1>were fortunate in that during the height of the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>not only did we not have to lay people off,

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<v Speaker 1>we actually gave people raises. If you're not familiar, So

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<v Speaker 1>the main two companies I have are the Budget Lista,

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<v Speaker 1>which is basically the business of Tiffany, so that's like

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<v Speaker 1>me speaking, teaching books, spokesperson work, and then my online school,

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<v Speaker 1>the Literature Academy. And collectively those two companies at their

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<v Speaker 1>peak maybe had twenty to twenty five employees. And well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm using the words employees loosely, maybe like seventeen employees

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<v Speaker 1>and then the rest contractors. But we treated our contractors

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<v Speaker 1>just as well as we treated our employees. So we

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<v Speaker 1>just considered everybody like you know, family and so so

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<v Speaker 1>during like I said, pandemic, people are losing their jobs,

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<v Speaker 1>not us. Thankfully, we were already like a digital company.

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<v Speaker 1>So we did make some transition shifts to make it

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<v Speaker 1>easier for people to work at home, especially the mo

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<v Speaker 1>We were like, okay, this is when drop office, this

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<v Speaker 1>is when pickups are. We're not going to have meetings

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<v Speaker 1>during those times. Anyone who knows who's worked with me before,

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<v Speaker 1>like we gave we set aside. We had a bonus pool,

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<v Speaker 1>so five percent of our net profit, so profit after expenses,

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<v Speaker 1>we set aside for the team. So during twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>we had a huge, like really great strong year, and

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<v Speaker 1>so the average bonus was like five thousand dollars people

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<v Speaker 1>were making some people made five figure bonuses, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you know, things were all good. We've never

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<v Speaker 1>been laid on a payment, you know. We go on

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<v Speaker 1>vacation every year where we pay for everything. We fly

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<v Speaker 1>everybody out, no matter where you live, as long as

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<v Speaker 1>it's in the US, and I really try to create

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<v Speaker 1>like a loving, caring environment because one of my goals

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<v Speaker 1>was not just to serve as many black women and

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<v Speaker 1>brown women externally, but was to also create an amazing

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<v Speaker 1>environment environment internally. And so I think I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm not just saying that, but that we did

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<v Speaker 1>a good job of that. But I know only because

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<v Speaker 1>we had just done a survey about a year ago,

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<v Speaker 1>like how am I doing as a leader, and across

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<v Speaker 1>the border was like and these are anonymous surveys. So

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<v Speaker 1>I set that up to say that. After Durrell passed away,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I couldn't even pick my head up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like it was there were some holes that I realized

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<v Speaker 1>in my own leadership, like I had not thought about

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<v Speaker 1>you know, how you create an estate plan for your

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<v Speaker 1>personal life. I did not have an estate plan for

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<v Speaker 1>the business because you didn't think about that. So what

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<v Speaker 1>happens when I cannot physically be here and do and

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<v Speaker 1>as a result, it kind of went haywire, And so

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<v Speaker 1>I had people making choices on my behalf that were

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<v Speaker 1>not the best choices for like the company. So literally

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<v Speaker 1>Darrell was in the hospital and I had just found

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<v Speaker 1>out that he wasn't probably going to make it, although

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<v Speaker 1>he was his body was physically there. And I had

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<v Speaker 1>to have a team meeting because it was a shit show,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I don't even I can't save both,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, and it was just so overwhelming, but

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted so I remember, I was like, look, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>decisions haven't made are voided. I don't even know. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what's going on, but everything is voided. I

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<v Speaker 1>will not make any choices until this is in November.

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<v Speaker 1>When I said this, I said until after February. I

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<v Speaker 1>promise you everything will stay the same. Because I asked

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<v Speaker 1>the finance at GARCFO, do we have enough money to

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<v Speaker 1>last us until February and she said yes, And I said, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>I won't make any choices until then. Just try not

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<v Speaker 1>to destroy everything, like damn, I just need a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And it was just so hard, but I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I can't. I can't be Tiffany the budgetista

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<v Speaker 1>right now, you know. Like, so I made that promise,

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<v Speaker 1>and sure enough, you know, everybody was able to stay.

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<v Speaker 1>But I did say things are going to shift. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know in what way, because I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be able to do and to be

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<v Speaker 1>all the way transparent. All this is not good business,

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<v Speaker 1>and please do not do this. But the Literature Academy

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<v Speaker 1>paid me, but I was the lowest paid person on

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<v Speaker 1>like the main team. I only got paid after, like

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<v Speaker 1>I got an owner's draw, after every single thing was paid,

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<v Speaker 1>all the savings was saved, and if there was no

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<v Speaker 1>excess after myself and my business partner did not take

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<v Speaker 1>a draw. You know, I want to say, the literature

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<v Speaker 1>account me paid me like fifty four thousand dollars a year.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we had people making well into the six figures.

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<v Speaker 1>So of the lead team, I was making the less

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<v Speaker 1>by a lot, you know, like the less by half.

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<v Speaker 1>But I said that's okay, because when we have a

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<v Speaker 1>really good month and my owner's draw can overcompensate for that,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we don't have a good month, then I

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<v Speaker 1>don't deserve to make anything. And then the BUDGENISA. It

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<v Speaker 1>was worse that with the BUDGETISA, I had not got

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<v Speaker 1>paid any money in I want to say five or

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<v Speaker 1>six years. I'm talking about owner's draw, I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 1>even payroll. It was to the point where my accountant

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<v Speaker 1>was like you're gonna get audited, Tifnany, please auto me

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<v Speaker 1>because having a business that doesn't pay you looks like

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<v Speaker 1>you have some sort of like drug.

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<v Speaker 3>Drug, you know, money.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reason why I didn't take a salary from

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<v Speaker 1>the budgetista, even though the Budgeanisa was Tiffany speaking, Fifany,

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<v Speaker 1>writing books, Tiffany doing spokesperson work like it was literally

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<v Speaker 1>the business of Tiffany, is because I wanted so badly

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<v Speaker 1>to pay my ladies. Well, you know, I know what

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<v Speaker 1>it was like out there, and the truth of the

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<v Speaker 1>matter is, you know, I mean, y'all know me, Amanda,

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<v Speaker 1>We're I'm not a big spender. So with what I

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<v Speaker 1>did have, I learned to invest and save, so I

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<v Speaker 1>was still able to grow wealth despite not taking maybe

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<v Speaker 1>taking one tenth of what maybe a normal CEO would

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<v Speaker 1>have taken from their business. So one business didn't pay

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<v Speaker 1>me at all, even though it was you know me,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the other business pay me significantly less. But

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<v Speaker 1>even through that, I was still able to grow, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my net worth to seven figures. So that's why I

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<v Speaker 1>never felt I didn't do this to be a martyr.

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<v Speaker 1>I did it because I said, Tiffany, you still have

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<v Speaker 1>more than you ever even imagined, you know, So all

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<v Speaker 1>of that to say, I really tried hard to be

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<v Speaker 1>a really good boss, and then Darrell passes away and

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<v Speaker 1>I just fall apart. I just literally I didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>want to be here. I was just like it was

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<v Speaker 1>the hardest. I mean, I mean, anybody who's lost anybody

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<v Speaker 1>that they're close to, you know. And so after February happened,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't really have the funds, you know, one the

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<v Speaker 1>budget needs to certainly, I didn't know what the future helped,

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<v Speaker 1>because I was like, I cannot do all that I

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<v Speaker 1>used to work like all the time. I cannot continue

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<v Speaker 1>to work at that pace anymore. So as a result,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to make what we used to make,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in order to support everybody. And then with

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<v Speaker 1>the Literature Academy, you know, I'd stepped down a CEO,

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<v Speaker 1>and I knew that as a result, he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to take Tamras our new CEO, who she was there

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<v Speaker 1>the day I opened the Academy door. Tamra has been there,

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<v Speaker 1>so she's not somebody new, but I knew it was

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<v Speaker 1>going to take her time to get her sea legs

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<v Speaker 1>as a CEO, so we would see a drop in income.

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<v Speaker 1>So as a result, we had to let some folks go,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and not a little bit like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>probably about half the team. And it wasn't done easily.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was not in a space to have those

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<v Speaker 1>conversations because you know, you have to talk for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>But I said, when I get back from BALI maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be in a space to call everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>which is where I am now. And just to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of come back to the reaction that from some of

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<v Speaker 1>the folks that we've had to let go, it's really

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<v Speaker 1>some of it was kind of nasty. And I was like, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>who you know that, I mean, all the bonuses, the raises,

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<v Speaker 1>and you didn't go buy Sometimes you would get a raise,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be forty percent. We would double your income,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the trips, all of the I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I make a good CEO because quite honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not firm enough. People would would be building their

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<v Speaker 1>own businesses and I would support it. I would help

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<v Speaker 1>that we would use our platform. Things that we would

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<v Speaker 1>charge fifty to one hundred thousand dollars are email, Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>social media, where we would do this thing called Unicorn

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<v Speaker 1>Spotlight because I called my team the Unicorn Squad, where

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<v Speaker 1>I would place you on all of our platforms and

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<v Speaker 1>promote your business and people would get tens of thousands,

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<v Speaker 1>if not one hundreds of thousand dollars worth of business

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<v Speaker 1>as a result. These are people on my team. So

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<v Speaker 1>all of that, and then to the point where some

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<v Speaker 1>people were growing so much that they weren't even doing

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<v Speaker 1>their job, Like it would be like they're not present anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, even though they were getting like my employees

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<v Speaker 1>by by bye last year or the year before, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not only did you get your full time salary, we

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<v Speaker 1>also were able to give insurance for when K plan

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<v Speaker 1>a matching program, all of that, and so because my

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<v Speaker 1>husband passes away and I can't dance for you anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this like visceral backlash that makes me say, like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like not I don't regret the doing,

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<v Speaker 1>because I believe that that's the right thing to do,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's just like I see why people don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to do stuff, don't want to do stuff, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm just like, there's no grace in space for that. Literally,

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<v Speaker 1>there are people on the team I'd never heard from, Mandy.

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<v Speaker 1>There are people like your dog couldn't pass away without

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<v Speaker 1>me sending you flowers, you know, like if you were

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<v Speaker 1>getting married, we would we would get something for your wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we would have baby showers for people. And

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<v Speaker 1>there are people who I know I should have fired

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<v Speaker 1>sooner rather than later because they weren't doing the work.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't in slack, they were so busy working on

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<v Speaker 1>their own businesses. They couldn't be here that like we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't let them go. Conversation after conversation, years of that

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<v Speaker 1>of me like kind of turning the other cheek and saying, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what can we do? Can we work around your schedule?

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<v Speaker 1>And to say like, you know, I'm sorry, but you

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<v Speaker 1>know in order, like I can't. I can't do all

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<v Speaker 1>the things I used to do before that supported everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like I thought we were family, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I sacrifice for you, and I'm just like, well

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<v Speaker 1>and I appreciate that, and I sacrifice for you as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's just like what, I don't know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just so hard because I'm just like, because I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to take grace and space to say, I know how

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<v Speaker 1>hard it must be to lose your job but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>also like, damn, I don't get any grace in space,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm not out here. I didn't let you go

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't feel like like my husband fucking died,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what does it take? Do I have to die

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<v Speaker 1>for you to be like? Well, now, maybe I can

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<v Speaker 1>understand why Tiffany couldn't keep me, like what does it take? Honestly?

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what it did teach me is that

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<v Speaker 1>the people who that was their reaction. I said, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought maybe maybe I had made a mistake for certain people,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm like, you know what, I didn't. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>because if that is how you treat someone who has

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<v Speaker 1>poured into you, and at my lowest and worse moment,

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<v Speaker 1>when I've never not shown up for you, then quite honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you deserve to be gone. There are literally

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<v Speaker 1>people who did not have the skill set, did not

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<v Speaker 1>have the education. We had grown beyond the skills that

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<v Speaker 1>they brought to the table, But we kept them anyway

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<v Speaker 1>and found positions and continue to pay and continue to

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<v Speaker 1>get raises. You know, but you know that's really my fault.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I said, Tam, it's going to make a

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<v Speaker 1>much better leader than I am as a CEO because

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<v Speaker 1>I I'm too soft, you know, and I you know

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<v Speaker 1>I should have. I thought I was being kind, but

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't that clear is kind, and I should have

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<v Speaker 1>been clear and stood up for the boundaries that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>now I don't do those things anymore. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, it's just like some of that feedback.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just reading like some of the emails that I've received,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm just like, Wow, Jrell ain't been dead five months,

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<v Speaker 1>since you've been here for years, taking advantage he had

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<v Speaker 1>been dead five months. And that's how you speak to me.

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<v Speaker 1>These are people literally that I have said so much

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<v Speaker 1>business to and if I go on their websites and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>guess who's logos on there? As this is who I

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<v Speaker 1>work with. You know what I mean. I'm like you

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<v Speaker 1>still eating off budget? Needs to plate? Okay, So here's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing, Like people have to be careful because it's

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<v Speaker 1>not the same Tiffany as before that you can keep

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<v Speaker 1>my logo because you did work here on your website.

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<v Speaker 1>You can let my name slip from your lips. But

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<v Speaker 1>be careful because if someone comes and says, I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>a recommendation, or do you think that I ought to

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<v Speaker 1>work with them. I'm going to be fully honest about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the experience I've had, so feel free to

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<v Speaker 1>use me. But also know that people behind the scenes

0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:14.600
<v Speaker 1>reach out to me to ask, you know, how is

0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:16.879
<v Speaker 1>it working with this person? And I don't believe in like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not retaliating in any way if you were great,

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<v Speaker 1>because there are a handful of people that were honestly

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<v Speaker 1>really great and we just had to let them go

0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:25.600
<v Speaker 1>because we just didn't have the bandwidth anymore. There are

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<v Speaker 1>definitely people who are like that who I'm just like, Sis,

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<v Speaker 1>I got you, you know, but there are some people

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<v Speaker 1>that know that they did not show up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that they left us high and dry, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they followed it up with nastiness. People who I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even hear from, who like you know, Jerrell passed away

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<v Speaker 1>and not a peep except for when it was time

0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:45.200
<v Speaker 1>to be like Sis. Unfortunately we don't have that role anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Well what about my money? I'm like, wow, So I

0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:51.679
<v Speaker 1>don't know, girl, It's just honestly just makes you just

0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:53.359
<v Speaker 1>want to like throw the blanket over your head. I

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<v Speaker 1>know I'm doing a lot of talk to me, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like it just really like I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 1>It really hurt my feelings and I just was just like, yeah,

0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:04.879
<v Speaker 1>it's like what did I do wrong? You know, like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know, but yeah, So, I mean, if

0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:09.800
<v Speaker 1>you're listening to this YouTube used to work for me,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pass hope all as well.

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<v Speaker 3>You're doing a lot of talking. I'm doing a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of listening.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm hearing is, first of all, the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>you contacted them after to reach out, to extend a hand,

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<v Speaker 2>and to check in with them when.

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<v Speaker 3>You were ready. You know, that's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so much more than many CEOs do. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of layoffs right now, I mean we're seeing you know,

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<v Speaker 2>dozens at Netflix for recently laid off Klarna, which is

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<v Speaker 2>like one of those buy now, pay later apps that

0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:54.920
<v Speaker 2>was really huge. Just let seven hundred people, ten percent

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<v Speaker 2>of its global workforce off with a prerecorded video message,

0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:00.720
<v Speaker 2>and I guarantee you they're not going to get a

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<v Speaker 2>call from the CEO to say.

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<v Speaker 3>How you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really compassionate of you to extend that. I

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<v Speaker 2>also want to as a friend, I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>like protect you because I'm like part of me is like,

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<v Speaker 2>don't put yourself like that's really vulnerable at a time

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<v Speaker 2>when I feel like you don't need to be vulnerable

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<v Speaker 2>in that way, like open yourself up to that kind

0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.960
<v Speaker 2>of to that kind of reaction, that kind of negativity.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not surprised that you encountered it, only only because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, humans are humans, and they are grieving and

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<v Speaker 2>they and they haven't had a place to maybe put

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<v Speaker 2>that grief or they don't have.

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<v Speaker 3>You just never know what.

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<v Speaker 2>People's what people's own coping mechanisms are, if they or

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<v Speaker 2>if they even have any, or if they've ever suffered

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<v Speaker 2>a loss like that or dealt with job loss. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think with us, we have a perspective of, you know,

0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:55.080
<v Speaker 2>the greater perspective of there'll be other opportunities. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I talked about this when you first initially were so

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<v Speaker 2>candid and honest about you know, the layoff set Literature Academy,

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<v Speaker 2>just about the overall picture that they got to work

0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:08.159
<v Speaker 2>for an incredible company with the black female CEO and

0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:10.439
<v Speaker 2>what a privilege that is, and the you know, and

0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:12.440
<v Speaker 2>like you just laid out, you know, all of those things.

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<v Speaker 2>But sometimes if they're so if they're so steeped in

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<v Speaker 2>that fear of resentment, grief of their.

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<v Speaker 3>Own they can't see all that yet.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I feel like in a year they'll have

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<v Speaker 2>some clarity, and having been fired and laid off myself,

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<v Speaker 2>I can, like, you know, there's just stuff that they

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<v Speaker 2>need to work on individually that has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with you, and I think, just as a friend, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just like, no, don't put yourself there, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, I just want to, like, you know, because I

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<v Speaker 1>also do want to be better. So I'm just like,

0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:42.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, here's what I probably could have done differently.

0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I couldn't have been in a better emotional

0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:47.600
<v Speaker 1>state because I don't think I could have done about that.

0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:50.040
<v Speaker 1>But maybe, you know, like I'm sure people would have

0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:51.440
<v Speaker 1>wanted me to be the one to lay them on.

0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I just was not in that space to like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't like, you know, like it was either Tamera,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so somebody who they'd known. But it's just

0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:02.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, so I just don't know what I could

0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:04.600
<v Speaker 1>have done differently, because it's just like, do we all

0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:09.120
<v Speaker 1>sink do we just destroy the company? I just you know,

0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:12.439
<v Speaker 1>I just but to your point, everyone is allowed to

0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.479
<v Speaker 1>grieve because they're grieving as well, you know, And it's

0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:17.640
<v Speaker 1>not everybody. Honestly, there were people who did a great job,

0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:19.000
<v Speaker 1>and I just felt really bad that we had to

0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:21.520
<v Speaker 1>let them go just because it just wasn't the position

0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:23.879
<v Speaker 1>we had or could afford anymore. So there are certainly

0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:26.760
<v Speaker 1>people who it wasn't anything they did. It was just

0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:32.320
<v Speaker 1>this is where we are now. But yeah, it just like, honestly,

0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:36.640
<v Speaker 1>it just I don't want to be in that position anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>It just made me realize I'd made the right decision

0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:42.800
<v Speaker 1>because it's me Rose and Logan over at Budgetista and

0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:45.840
<v Speaker 1>when I tell you, but also to the lesson, you know,

0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:47.680
<v Speaker 1>this is just for anyone listening. This is like something

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<v Speaker 1>even a lesson that I'm going to be sharing with

0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:53.639
<v Speaker 1>my mentees soon, is that there are some people on

0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.600
<v Speaker 1>the team that if I'm being all the way candid,

0:23:56.680 --> 0:24:00.840
<v Speaker 1>I said, no matter what, keep them because they did

0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:04.119
<v Speaker 1>what I call illustrate your Oprah. So I mean, I

0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:05.840
<v Speaker 1>don't know if this is still true, but like let's

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<v Speaker 1>just say Oprah said, you know, hey, Mandy Tiffany, you

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<v Speaker 1>know we for ten thousand dollars. You know, I'm going

0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:15.560
<v Speaker 1>to connect you with all of my business connections. You know,

0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:19.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to help you, you know, showcase Mandy your

0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:22.760
<v Speaker 1>new bug, Tiffany, whatever that is. Me and Mandy would

0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:25.680
<v Speaker 1>come up with that ten thousand dollars because Oprah, we

0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:28.160
<v Speaker 1>see her value so clearly that we know that ten

0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:32.359
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars investment is going to yield way more back.

0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:34.720
<v Speaker 1>And that's why I called illustrating your Oprah, like so

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<v Speaker 1>clearly illustrating how valuable you are. And there are people

0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:40.719
<v Speaker 1>on the team that I was like, I don't know

0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:43.159
<v Speaker 1>what we're going to have you do when it all

0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:47.200
<v Speaker 1>shakes out, but the value you bring is so compellingly

0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:51.080
<v Speaker 1>obvious that I need you to still be here. And

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:54.240
<v Speaker 1>so it's a lesson in that when you bring excellence

0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:57.400
<v Speaker 1>to the table, a space is always made for you.

0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Now here's the thing. Sometimes that company it really doesn't

0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:04.399
<v Speaker 1>have the money, but let's just say you were so amazing.

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the people I know in this industry, the

0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:12.040
<v Speaker 1>even outside of this industry, A phone call is easily

0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:16.080
<v Speaker 1>made to place you someplace else easily because the value

0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:18.840
<v Speaker 1>you've brought is so strong that either I will find

0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:20.359
<v Speaker 1>the money to keep you or I will find a

0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:21.879
<v Speaker 1>place for you because I know what you bring to

0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:25.359
<v Speaker 1>the table, and there are people who what phone call?

0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Why would I make that phone call?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Like, I don't want people to go through the same

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:32.639
<v Speaker 1>thing that I went through. And so that also was

0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:35.359
<v Speaker 1>a lesson, is that do you truly bring excellence to

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<v Speaker 1>the table or you just have been like eating luxuriously

0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:40.760
<v Speaker 1>and some people have and I allowed it, if I'm

0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:43.280
<v Speaker 1>being all the way honest, I allowed it. But then

0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:45.399
<v Speaker 1>when the going gets tough, you get to see we

0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:48.200
<v Speaker 1>have to cut the fat, and it's just like, wait me, yes,

0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:50.879
<v Speaker 1>because you didn't bring value to the table in a

0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:53.560
<v Speaker 1>way that will allow me to keep you or in

0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:55.680
<v Speaker 1>a way that allowed me to place you someplace else,

0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:57.719
<v Speaker 1>because I, like I said, I know people who have

0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:02.280
<v Speaker 1>huge businesses, huge platform that are looking for certain talent

0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:04.600
<v Speaker 1>that they're only a handful of people that I'd be like,

0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:07.399
<v Speaker 1>I would send somebody there. So I think that's just

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:09.040
<v Speaker 1>a lesson too. It's like when I said I came

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:12.120
<v Speaker 1>back to like all those contracts, you know, I didn't

0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:12.960
<v Speaker 1>know what I was going to come back to. I

0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:16.600
<v Speaker 1>thought maybe the budgetista is done, you know, and everybody

0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 1>who wanted to work with me last year. I was like, honestly,

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:19.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't have it. I don't know what I'm going

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:23.200
<v Speaker 1>to come back, but I just and ninety five percent

0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 1>of them said I'll wait, and they did wait, and

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:28.720
<v Speaker 1>I was able to extend the contract later and keep

0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:31.720
<v Speaker 1>the business going. And so I think that's a testament

0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:34.359
<v Speaker 1>to illustrating your OPRAH. So for those of you who

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:38.400
<v Speaker 1>were maybe experiencing job loss, you know, continue to illustrate

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.199
<v Speaker 1>your OPRAH, and a space will be made, if not

0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:43.040
<v Speaker 1>at that company, somebody else. Like look at Mandy. She

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:46.679
<v Speaker 1>went from like what how do you let me go?

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:51.399
<v Speaker 1>To how is chicken a game? We're on her own chain? No? Please,

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 1>because one year, don't even do it. Don't let Mandy

0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:57.320
<v Speaker 1>be gave my nether day and one year, girl, Mandy

0:26:57.400 --> 0:27:00.320
<v Speaker 1>is literally six years ahead of seat of schedule. She

0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:01.960
<v Speaker 1>might not see it, but I see it as somebody

0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:04.159
<v Speaker 1>who grew from scratch, like she's going from scratch. She

0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:08.560
<v Speaker 1>is six years ahead of schedule because her Mandy brings

0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:12.360
<v Speaker 1>excellence to the table. She illustrates her value. So clearly,

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:15.440
<v Speaker 1>look how far ahead she's been able to leap in

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 1>one year. So even if a space is not help

0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:21.560
<v Speaker 1>for you, you'll be able to make a space for yourself.

0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:25.439
<v Speaker 1>And so Mandy can always bank on herself because of

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:28.719
<v Speaker 1>the excellence that she consistently brings to the table, and

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:31.560
<v Speaker 1>so nobody can't take that away from you. So I

0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:32.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you work for me and I wasn't

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:34.480
<v Speaker 1>able to keep you and you're excellent, you will find

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:36.760
<v Speaker 1>someplace else that will be You know, you'll be able

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:39.840
<v Speaker 1>to say. There's one woman in particular, she's excellent. She

0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 1>asked me, could I write her a letter of recommendation.

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:44.119
<v Speaker 1>I sure did. She already has a new job because

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:45.920
<v Speaker 1>she was excellent. It's just that that wasn't a role

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:48.440
<v Speaker 1>that we could fill anymore. So the shady part of

0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:49.600
<v Speaker 1>me wants to be like, so if you haven't heard

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:53.160
<v Speaker 1>from me, there's a reason for those you have. I'm sorry, Sis.

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:57.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean also like you're going to be much The

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:01.480
<v Speaker 2>reality of being in business is that these things happen.

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 2>And I don't think for a second anyone should kid themselves,

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 2>whether I mean even Tiffany. You have this huge heart.

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:08.360
<v Speaker 2>You want to help everybody. At the end of the day,

0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:11.160
<v Speaker 2>it's a business, and so you made a business decision

0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 2>that inconvenienced a lot of people. That happens, and that's why,

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:17.600
<v Speaker 2>and especially what you're saying now about the people on

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 2>your team that you want to go to bat for

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 2>and help them find their next opportunity. This is why

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 2>as individuals we have to be so laser focused on

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 2>our brand, our professional brand, our skill sets, like you said,

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 2>are excellence and how are we how are we you know, growing?

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.119
<v Speaker 2>How are we developing so that we can be the

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:39.720
<v Speaker 2>person that people want on their teams that they and

0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 2>so you have unlimited opportunities always, And that's why I

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 2>have been able to go into business fearlessly because it's

0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 2>like you said, like there is those skills that I

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 2>know I can fall back on and and good good,

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, no burned bridges that I can think of.

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 3>Maybe a couple a little.

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Leis it, maybe with dents, maybe they're on like still

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 2>held together popsicle sticks, but they're still a bridge.

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 3>Can get across it.

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:06.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I mean that's just the message. I mean,

0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 2>whether you are and also for people who are running

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 2>businesses and making those tough decisions at the end of

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:15.760
<v Speaker 2>the day, like what you said clear, being clear is kindness?

0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Is that I mean that is just and it brings

0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 2>me back to like, you know, if you haven't read

0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 2>this book called Dared to Lead by Brene Brown, I love, love,

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 2>love all of her messages around leadership and being clear

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:30.880
<v Speaker 2>is terrifying. And I know we've talked like TIF, you've

0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:35.160
<v Speaker 2>talked about your struggle with having those difficult conversations and

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:38.239
<v Speaker 2>how you know you're continuing to work on that. But

0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:42.760
<v Speaker 2>this experience, I mean not that I ever want to say.

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Of course, we would all want to rill back a

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 2>million times over versus this, but you know, the growth

0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 2>as a business owner, this this this growth that we're

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:54.960
<v Speaker 2>all getting to witness. You're in the middle of it.

0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 2>You're going to be a more so much better, and

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:00.760
<v Speaker 2>you're open to learn, You're open to saying here's what

0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 2>I would do differently, and that I think is what

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:08.120
<v Speaker 2>separates great leaders. And you may say never again, no

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 2>ceo ever again, but you won't. That's not your last

0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 2>great business. I mean, I just come on, you're Tiffany

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 2>like you will create and it'll be better and better

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:19.720
<v Speaker 2>next time, the next time and next time.

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 1>And I'm just grateful because I honestly I have my

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:25.760
<v Speaker 1>next therapy appointment with doctor Green tomorrow, So I'm gonna

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 1>share and just be like what Because one of the

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:29.880
<v Speaker 1>things that doctor Green tries to work on with me

0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:33.400
<v Speaker 1>is how Mike, because I used to always tell I'm

0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:38.440
<v Speaker 1>self aware, she said no, She's like, Tiffany, sometimes we

0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 1>think that we're self aware, but we're more self deprecating.

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 1>She's like that true humility is taking up the exact

0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:50.479
<v Speaker 1>amount of space. Tiffany, that not overreaching to arrogance, but

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:54.280
<v Speaker 1>not undershooting to self deprecation. And I'm like, okay, because

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:56.560
<v Speaker 1>sometimes we think humility and like, Okay, I'm trying to hump,

0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to be kind. Means that like we take

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 1>we take a step all the way back, and she's like, no,

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 1>it's taking up the exact amount of space. So in

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:07.280
<v Speaker 1>this moment, I mean, I know I'm angry or whatever,

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:09.560
<v Speaker 1>but honestly, really the anger is just spent, is just

0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's really just me. I'm just sad, honestly,

0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, like I'm sad, and so I just I

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 1>want to get a better framework of like where could

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 1>I have done better? But also what not to pick

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 1>up because I know that I have a tendency to

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 1>be like I should have done this, I should have

0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 1>done this. I can understand that, and not to give

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 1>myself my own grace in space to be like, well, yes, yes,

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe those things are true.

0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 2>You can give yourself the grace you deserve. Don't expect

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 2>everyone else to give it to you. Yes, it's got

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:40.320
<v Speaker 2>to come from you.

0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I believe so, because you're right. If I'm

0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 1>waiting on other people then like I might not ever

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 1>know it.

0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 2>It's none of your business what they think about you.

0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 2>That's Tabitha Brown in my head all the time. None

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:53.479
<v Speaker 2>my business. You give yourself that grace because you have

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 2>to know. You have to know who you are at

0:31:56.520 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 2>your core and your intentions and make peace with that

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 2>and understand that some people will feel however they're going

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 2>to feel about it, but that's not your business. You

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 2>can't change it too. You had too much shit to do,

0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:11.120
<v Speaker 2>you have too much feeling to do.

0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm just like I do. Doctor Green is

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 1>going to be like really, Tiffany, like I'm like this

0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 1>for her, I know, be a good week. I know

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 1>that like with all, like like the grieving exercise that

0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:26.480
<v Speaker 1>we had that that's not what you're putting on your plate,

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, I know, but because really what I'm

0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:29.800
<v Speaker 1>saying is I hate that people are mad at me,

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 1>and I don't want them to be upset with me.

0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 1>And I feel really bad because I care about them,

0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 1>because I do, you know. But yeah, to your point,

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:37.800
<v Speaker 1>I know, I nobody knows it's going to.

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:38.280
<v Speaker 3>Piss them off.

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Tif you were always going to piss them off when

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 2>they lost their jobs. There was a not a world

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:44.120
<v Speaker 2>in which they weren't going to be upset about that,

0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:46.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, And I think that's what it is. It's

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 2>about letting, but it's what needed to be done for

0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 2>where you were at that stage in the business.

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 3>Maybe in a.

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 2>Perfect world you would have had a successor or systems

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:57.920
<v Speaker 2>in place, or more savings or whatever, but that was

0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:00.720
<v Speaker 2>the reality, you know, and you did the best with

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:05.640
<v Speaker 2>what you could, and often making the best choice for

0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 2>ourselves does mean inconveniencing and hurting other people.

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, you had the best, Mandy. Honestly, you're like

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:15.200
<v Speaker 1>such a good friend.

0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:20.840
<v Speaker 3>You are for real, Thanks, Tiff, for real.

0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that. Yeah, I'm trying to call it every

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:27.120
<v Speaker 1>damn episode. I do really appreciate that because.

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:29.040
<v Speaker 2>You showed up what did I say. I don't need,

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't expect anything. You showed up.

0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 3>You sit and if you want to stare at me

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:33.200
<v Speaker 3>for an hour, we can do that.

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:36.960
<v Speaker 1>No, for real, I appreciate that you have no idea

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 1>because I was really just like, dang, Tiffany, you should

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 1>have done more, you could have been better. And it's

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 1>just like the the other part of me was like, Tiffany,

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 1>the hell, Like when do you get to grieve? When

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:49.400
<v Speaker 1>do you get to not carry everybody's burden like sold

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:50.520
<v Speaker 1>you were you supposed to keep them for the rest

0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:53.200
<v Speaker 1>of their life when they're ninety years old, Like what

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:56.160
<v Speaker 1>was the scenario going to be like? And so like, No,

0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 1>I just appreciate that, Like I know doctor Green is

0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 1>going to read me gently for filth Life girl stop,

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:02.640
<v Speaker 1>which I don't.

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Want you to be angry either at them, because I

0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:08.440
<v Speaker 2>feel like they're having human reactions. You're at wells freaking humans, right,

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 2>And I love I know I keep talking about bray

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:12.560
<v Speaker 2>Brene Brown because I'm kind of a basic bitch like that,

0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 2>But I love Brene Brown. She has this podcast called

0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:18.799
<v Speaker 2>Dare to Lead, named after her book and her her

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 2>leadership training that she does and this most recent episode

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:27.200
<v Speaker 2>made me think of you because Brenee Brown is stepping

0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:32.160
<v Speaker 2>down as CEO of her business, Yes, and she talks

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:34.279
<v Speaker 2>about it, and the things that she was talking about

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:38.439
<v Speaker 2>reminded me of you, and the compassion that she's having

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:42.440
<v Speaker 2>for herself and her sister. She's named two co CEOs

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 2>in her place, so it took two CEOs to do what.

0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:45.800
<v Speaker 3>She was doing.

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:50.879
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it's it's a recent episode where they talk

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 2>about and what I also love that stuck with me

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:55.440
<v Speaker 2>from this conversation. So for those of you who don't know,

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:59.919
<v Speaker 2>Brene Brown has this her TikTok. Her ted talk went

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 2>viral of years ago about vulnerability and shame. So she's

0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 2>a social worker who's a shame expert and has taken

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 2>her message around being vulnerable and dealing with shame and

0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:18.320
<v Speaker 2>uses it to create better leadership, braver leadership, more inclusive companies,

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 2>all of that. So she's built this big business with

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:24.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, dozens of employees and they have facilitators doing

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:27.440
<v Speaker 2>these trainings around the globe, you know. So it's a

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:30.879
<v Speaker 2>big company that she's built. And you know, from someone

0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:33.799
<v Speaker 2>who is a social worker, you know, as a preschool teacher,

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, that's part social worker in a way,

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:40.000
<v Speaker 2>and she in the show opens up about bringing her

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:44.120
<v Speaker 2>They bring everyone back to their headquarters for an all

0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:47.040
<v Speaker 2>hands after the pandemic, and she's like, and one of

0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 2>the things that I love that she talks about is

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 2>how in her All Hands she specifically said, we need

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:55.120
<v Speaker 2>to reintroduce ourselves to one another. And none of us

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:59.759
<v Speaker 2>is the same. We've all we are different. Let's not

0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:03.239
<v Speaker 2>as not business as usual, we are fundamentally different. The pain,

0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:06.359
<v Speaker 2>the grief, the suffering that we've gone through, you know,

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:09.360
<v Speaker 2>and what do we look like now? And how do

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:12.520
<v Speaker 2>we show up to work now? And she's taking she

0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:17.840
<v Speaker 2>also announced she's taking a fourteen week sabbatical, like step

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:21.320
<v Speaker 2>down a ceo, taking fourteen weeks off because that's the

0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:25.759
<v Speaker 2>level of burnout that she's gotten to, and giving her

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 2>employees four weeks paid vacation off this summer as well,

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:33.600
<v Speaker 2>and just to acknowledge, She's like, this is the bravest

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:36.080
<v Speaker 2>thing we've ever done, which is to step away. Yeah,

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:39.000
<v Speaker 2>And anyway, I think that that's that reminded me of

0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:40.800
<v Speaker 2>you too, because I do think that there are CEOs

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:44.279
<v Speaker 2>out there who get to that or end up there

0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:48.000
<v Speaker 2>and it all feels right, and then you realize, Okay,

0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:51.759
<v Speaker 2>this is actually not what I need or for me,

0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 2>And then that inconvenience isn't hurt some people maybe, But

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 2>what's the.

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Alternative, Yeah, to stay here and to like to.

0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 3>Drown push yourself into the ground.

0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, because something that really like helped. It was

0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:10.560
<v Speaker 1>like for me not to be angry with them because

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:14.719
<v Speaker 1>everyone's everyone is feeling like their feelings are valid. You know,

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:17.000
<v Speaker 1>it's not. It wasn't. I'm not the only one who

0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 1>lost something. They lost something too. You know. There's a

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 1>level of grief that folks who were not at a

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:24.920
<v Speaker 1>place where I'm assuming they love to work and I

0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 1>love the people that they worked with like to lose

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 1>that that is a that is a great loss as well,

0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, and there's a grieving process for that as well.

0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 1>So to leave, I can't ask for grace and space

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:39.920
<v Speaker 1>and not also extended you know. Yeah, it's like protecting

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:42.560
<v Speaker 1>your heart too. And I do think it was like

0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:45.480
<v Speaker 1>incredibly generous of you to talk to them and give

0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:47.279
<v Speaker 1>them a space to let go of some of that

0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:49.600
<v Speaker 1>anger if they wanted to. But it's just like so

0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.239
<v Speaker 1>what you don't internalize it don't let it stay there

0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:53.080
<v Speaker 1>in you.

0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:57.040
<v Speaker 2>It's almost like not comparting, not like a psychopath. You know,

0:37:57.360 --> 0:37:59.240
<v Speaker 2>you have to you feel things, and plus you're an mpath.

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:02.279
<v Speaker 2>We've talked about that before, but not letting it sit

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:04.959
<v Speaker 2>with you on your spirit just kind of like looking

0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:07.279
<v Speaker 2>at it as something that's floating past you. You know,

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:11.920
<v Speaker 2>this is anger. I understand it. Okay, it's it's gone. Now,

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 2>it's in the world. That's theirs to carry, not me.

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:17.439
<v Speaker 3>Doctor Green. I set her up for you so she'll

0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:18.160
<v Speaker 3>be ready to go to.

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:23.359
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Google and then maybe saying she's like that's good.

0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I will send you the podcast episode Dare to Lead.

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 3>By my girl Burne Brown.

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:34.160
<v Speaker 2>So I'm reading a new book called Burnout's Book. No,

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:36.920
<v Speaker 2>it's not anything like you think a book called burnout

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 2>would be. Like, it's about our emotions and how it's

0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:44.280
<v Speaker 2>it's like the tools that we can use to actually

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 2>move through an emotion so we don't get to the

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 2>place of burnout. And how burnout especially from people who

0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:53.920
<v Speaker 2>were in like service industries and service like medical professionals

0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:57.360
<v Speaker 2>and teachers and things like that. How sometimes it's because

0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:01.840
<v Speaker 2>the day to day chronic stress of those jobs and

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 2>those and also being a parent. The chronic stress of that,

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:08.080
<v Speaker 2>how we end up to a place where we're spiraling,

0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 2>where not all the self care in the world can

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 2>save us, because it's like the chronic nature of it,

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:17.280
<v Speaker 2>the day after day after day, and not like sitting

0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:19.960
<v Speaker 2>with and acknowledging those feelings and emotions. So it's really

0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:24.200
<v Speaker 2>a book about emotions and how to like move through

0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:27.120
<v Speaker 2>them so that you don't end up in that space

0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:31.920
<v Speaker 2>of deep burnout where you're just nothing I do is working.

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:36.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm not being effective, you know. I you know, it's

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:39.520
<v Speaker 2>a really I'm looking forward to finishing this book.

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 1>But no send me that to because I you know,

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:43.399
<v Speaker 1>these days I have a lot of time to read

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:47.160
<v Speaker 1>so and but no, I would love that, because you're right,

0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 1>I want to get to a space where like those

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:51.319
<v Speaker 1>things flow through and I could acknowledge, Like one of

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:53.839
<v Speaker 1>the things doctor Green always reminds me is two things

0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:56.160
<v Speaker 1>can be true. I can say this is the best

0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:58.439
<v Speaker 1>that I had, but I can also acknowledge it's still

0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:00.560
<v Speaker 1>hurtful on the other side, and that's true as well.

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:03.839
<v Speaker 1>Just because this is just because my intention was not

0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:07.120
<v Speaker 1>to hurt doesn't mean people didn't feel hurt, you know.

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 1>So it's like two things can be true at one time,

0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:13.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, and so like just acknowledging that, like, okay,

0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.160
<v Speaker 1>like people are allowed to feel that. I don't have

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:19.000
<v Speaker 1>to internalize it, you know, I can say, Okay, yes,

0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:21.560
<v Speaker 1>it would not have been ideal. And obviously I would

0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:24.000
<v Speaker 1>love for Drill to be here and I would continue

0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:27.919
<v Speaker 1>to be the regular tifany I was before, but that's

0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:31.279
<v Speaker 1>not where we are. So no, this was honestly, this

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:33.560
<v Speaker 1>was because I was debating whether or how much to

0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:36.799
<v Speaker 1>share and how much to be transparent. And you know,

0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm certain, like I said, like, I know some of

0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:44.600
<v Speaker 1>my current employees and past employees have you know, listened

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 1>to the podcast. But honestly, the truth is is nothing

0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:49.040
<v Speaker 1>that I have not either shared. Well, there are a

0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:51.040
<v Speaker 1>handful of people who I have not called because honestly

0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:54.040
<v Speaker 1>they did nothing, like you know, we needed to fire

0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:57.200
<v Speaker 1>them some time ago. So you know, they were fortunate

0:40:57.239 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 1>to be able to ride the wave for as long

0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:00.920
<v Speaker 1>as they did, and they know and they they don't know,

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:03.560
<v Speaker 1>well greing her here for me, you know now. But

0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:05.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, for those people who like, you know, I

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:08.000
<v Speaker 1>really reached out to because I'm just like, dang, you know,

0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I wish things could be different. I you know, it's

0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:13.319
<v Speaker 1>a learning lesson and you're right, maybe one day, but

0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 1>for now, child, it's a lot like and I'm hoping

0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:20.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm sharing this and being as transparent because most people

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:23.520
<v Speaker 1>in business, they will share either their wins or their

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 1>semi losses, not like this. This huge, like I don't

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:30.680
<v Speaker 1>even want to call it a loss but challenge, And I

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 1>just want this for you to see. This is also

0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:36.279
<v Speaker 1>part of leadership that like, you're not gonna make all

0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the right choices. There are gonna be people who are

0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:40.799
<v Speaker 1>gonna be really upset because they're like I was using

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:44.239
<v Speaker 1>that money to fund my college fund for my kid,

0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 1>or you know, it's not I don't take it lightly

0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:51.080
<v Speaker 1>like someone losing that income. And so these are things

0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:52.759
<v Speaker 1>that you're just like, but I don't know what else

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.520
<v Speaker 1>I could have done. But you know, I just want

0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:58.560
<v Speaker 1>you to see that sometimes there is no there is

0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:02.000
<v Speaker 1>no right answer, is just learning and this is what

0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:04.560
<v Speaker 1>part of like entrepreneurship looks like that, like, you know,

0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:06.040
<v Speaker 1>for those who get to a point where they can

0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 1>hire people, you know.

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:09.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that so much. I'd like to end

0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:12.600
<v Speaker 2>on that note, like to give yourself space to not

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 2>actually have some magical epiphany like it just sucks. Yes,

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:23.719
<v Speaker 2>everything sucks. Drell's gone up sucks. Yes, you know those

0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 2>people lost their jobs.

0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:25.080
<v Speaker 3>That sucks.

0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:26.000
<v Speaker 1>There sucks.

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and you just need more time to work through it.

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:31.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but on both sides.

0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:36.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, give yourself, give yourself the grace that you know

0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:41.000
<v Speaker 2>you deserve. Okay, okay, my friend, be nice to my

0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:43.880
<v Speaker 2>friend over there. Meditate on that camel.

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 3>You were just right? Did the camels smell bad?

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Did they surprisingly know? Although I've heard that camel's spit

0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:53.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe that's lamas, But I mean I didn't want to

0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:56.319
<v Speaker 1>see them like they're actually pretty like gentle creatures, like,

0:42:56.840 --> 0:42:57.600
<v Speaker 1>but you could tell they.

0:42:57.560 --> 0:42:58.240
<v Speaker 3>Were like once.

0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:01.400
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to like make you they were less cool.

0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:03.840
<v Speaker 2>But I didn't write a camel. I was at the

0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Saint Louis Zoo. That's where I was, and I lied

0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:09.440
<v Speaker 2>to them and told them Rio was two years old,

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 2>and he was not two years old. But it's also

0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:14.799
<v Speaker 2>he passed for two. But it was the things you

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:18.040
<v Speaker 2>do for your child. I was petrified. Camel they're very

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:19.080
<v Speaker 2>high up there.

0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:21.320
<v Speaker 1>They very high. They are they are very high on

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:24.640
<v Speaker 1>and I wrote a donkey, which I would not suggest

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 1>because there's a part of Petro where you get to

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:30.279
<v Speaker 1>like you can go to what's called the monastery, but

0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:35.040
<v Speaker 1>it's like an hour walk incline upstairs, like or twenty

0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:36.759
<v Speaker 1>minutes on a donkey. I was like, girl, give me

0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 1>the twenty minutes on a donkey. I'm only here by

0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:43.240
<v Speaker 1>God's grace because but I mean it was so scary.

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:45.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean I just was like, donkey, I'm just gonna

0:43:45.920 --> 0:43:48.279
<v Speaker 1>trust that you know the way and you know what

0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:50.839
<v Speaker 1>you're doing it. The way it was bad. The way

0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:53.799
<v Speaker 1>down was worse because you're down the steep incline on

0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:57.240
<v Speaker 1>ancient steps. I was like, I don't know. The donkey

0:43:57.320 --> 0:43:59.360
<v Speaker 1>was like, girl, look if I go down, you go

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:04.759
<v Speaker 1>down to So I would not suggest it. I should

0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:07.839
<v Speaker 1>have just walked in the hundred degree weather. But yeah,

0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:10.279
<v Speaker 1>that was the donkey. I mean, the camera was That's

0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:11.400
<v Speaker 1>how you know it had to be bad because the

0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:14.440
<v Speaker 1>camera was much easier than a donkey. Yeah, that Moore donkey.

0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Donkeys are like, girl, I was not put on here

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:18.640
<v Speaker 1>to carry your behind up these steps.

0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 2>But there though, we deserve a little breaky break, all right,

0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:28.319
<v Speaker 2>let's take a break and we'll be right back with

0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:33.600
<v Speaker 2>boost or break. Yes, all right, we are bag. It's

0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 2>time for a boost and break.

0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:37.040
<v Speaker 3>Wait I didn't think. Wait, I didn't. I didn't give

0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:37.920
<v Speaker 3>to her opportunity.

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 1>And now it's time to boost up, break or boost break?

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Are you gonna booth? Are you gonna break? What you're

0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:49.919
<v Speaker 1>gonna do? What you're gonna I don't remember this song ever,

0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:52.640
<v Speaker 1>so you go, you're gonna booth, You're gonna break.

0:44:53.480 --> 0:44:56.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna take a break. It's hard to pick a

0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:56.920
<v Speaker 3>break these days.

0:44:57.320 --> 0:44:59.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, first, I don't think we've had time to acknowledge

0:44:59.800 --> 0:45:05.680
<v Speaker 2>the horrific shooting in Buffalo last weekend, and partially part

0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:08.600
<v Speaker 2>of that is we didn't record a show last week.

0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:13.600
<v Speaker 2>But also I'm speaking of giving yourself grace. I was

0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:17.759
<v Speaker 2>giving myself time to just process. But yeah, that's been

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:21.080
<v Speaker 2>sitting on my spirit, So my heart goes out to them.

0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 2>I did find it healing to get together with my neighborhood.

0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:26.520
<v Speaker 2>We had a little like a candlelight vigil just in

0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:30.080
<v Speaker 2>the middle of our neighborhood, and I did find that

0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:32.759
<v Speaker 2>you know something, because there's there's nothing you can do

0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:36.600
<v Speaker 2>but just love each other and support one another. But

0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:39.680
<v Speaker 2>on top of that, there was some shenanigans in the

0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:42.880
<v Speaker 2>news and a couple of things. I was toggling between,

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:46.240
<v Speaker 2>should we talk about Walmart's June teenth red velvet flavored

0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:50.840
<v Speaker 2>ice cream or could we talk about Wells Fargo uggin

0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:53.320
<v Speaker 2>proving they are the worst, the worst, the worst.

0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:54.800
<v Speaker 3>There was this.

0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:58.799
<v Speaker 2>Crazy article about in The Times about how people at

0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Wells Fargo wistle blower have come out and said that

0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:07.160
<v Speaker 2>they held fake, basically fake interviews with diverse candidates to

0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:10.640
<v Speaker 2>just in case they were ever audited. They were sort

0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:15.920
<v Speaker 2>of worried, oh maybe, oh yeah, yeah. For many open positions,

0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:19.320
<v Speaker 2>employees would interview a quote unquote diverse candidate. This article

0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:21.919
<v Speaker 2>says the bank's term for a woman or a person

0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:25.799
<v Speaker 2>of color, in keeping with an informal policy. And then

0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:27.920
<v Speaker 2>these people noticed that they would be interviewed for a

0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:30.800
<v Speaker 2>job that had already been promised to something to someone else.

0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:35.399
<v Speaker 2>And when this wilso blow or spoke out, shout out

0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:39.759
<v Speaker 2>to mister Bruno, who was fired, and he says that

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Wells Fargo did fired him in retaliation because he was

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:46.839
<v Speaker 2>going around saying these fake interviews are inappropriate, morally wrong, etc.

0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:49.120
<v Speaker 3>But he wasn't the only one.

0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:52.720
<v Speaker 2>They had like half a dozen former Wells Fargo's Wells

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Fargo employees who verified that this was happening, and what

0:46:58.160 --> 0:47:00.719
<v Speaker 2>a waste of everyone's time this is.

0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:05.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, how can you get any like the

0:47:05.520 --> 0:47:09.840
<v Speaker 1>fact that the City of New York said we're not

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:12.520
<v Speaker 1>doing no more business with y'all because of these Like

0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I just like, is there like literally do you wake

0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 1>up and say, how can we be as as terrible

0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:22.560
<v Speaker 1>as possible? How can we be said, hmm, what can

0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:28.640
<v Speaker 1>we do? Like I just honestly, but that's why we

0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:31.960
<v Speaker 1>moved over. We left, you know, the Fargo. And not

0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:33.959
<v Speaker 1>to say that like any other bank is like so great,

0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:37.319
<v Speaker 1>but I'm like, damn, Like you know, big banks are

0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:38.920
<v Speaker 1>not my favorite at all. But you know, once you

0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:41.440
<v Speaker 1>have a certain sized business, it's hard to do like

0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:43.960
<v Speaker 1>the smaller banks, just because there's certain things that you

0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:47.640
<v Speaker 1>just need, you know, and so but yeah, we were

0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:52.239
<v Speaker 1>with them for years and just every time you turn around,

0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:55.040
<v Speaker 1>you're just like the worst of the worst of the

0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:57.000
<v Speaker 1>worst of the worst. Wells Fargo is actually my first

0:47:57.080 --> 0:47:59.279
<v Speaker 1>because before it was Wells Fargo, it was called like

0:47:59.360 --> 0:48:02.719
<v Speaker 1>Jakovia before WAKOVI was called something else, and so I

0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:04.720
<v Speaker 1>was with the bank before the bank, before the bank,

0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:07.200
<v Speaker 1>like it was my first bank account. I forget what

0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:09.239
<v Speaker 1>it was called, like the actual like first whatever the

0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:11.560
<v Speaker 1>bank was called before, and then it became like something

0:48:11.560 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 1>else and became WACOB, then became Wells Fargo. But I

0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:16.279
<v Speaker 1>was with that bank four banks back. So this was like,

0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:18.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, my very first bank account. And I'm like, sis,

0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:21.440
<v Speaker 1>y'all are just even though I have like twenty thousand

0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:23.640
<v Speaker 1>bank accounts and it took like so long to switch

0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:27.280
<v Speaker 1>everything over. I said, I can't a counts.

0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:29.640
<v Speaker 2>They have just continued to show their ass I just

0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:32.239
<v Speaker 2>don't see how anyone any people of color could bank

0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:34.120
<v Speaker 2>with this place, Like they're the same bank where the

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:37.840
<v Speaker 2>CEO basically said, we'd love to have more diverse candidates,

0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:39.960
<v Speaker 2>but it's hard to find qualified black candidates.

0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:43.400
<v Speaker 3>Remember from like June tire moony, my god.

0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:46.799
<v Speaker 2>And then last August, they paid eight million dollars to

0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:50.160
<v Speaker 2>settle a Department of Labor claim that it discriminated against

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:53.920
<v Speaker 2>more than thirty thousand black job applicants for positions. Settled

0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:57.480
<v Speaker 2>a case in twenty seventeen, thirty six million dollars class

0:48:57.520 --> 0:49:04.440
<v Speaker 2>action lawsuit again for not advancing black financial advisors and

0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:06.240
<v Speaker 2>financial advisor trainees at the company.

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:09.439
<v Speaker 1>Like they're Goulda watched they're gonna just renamed news. They're

0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:11.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna rename themselves.

0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:11.759
<v Speaker 3>Bad news bears.

0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:14.120
<v Speaker 2>They need they need to just burn it down, I guess,

0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:16.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean not literally, but just start from scratch, like

0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:19.400
<v Speaker 2>can we just overhaul everything? But yeah, that got my

0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:22.560
<v Speaker 2>blood going this this this past week, that in Walmart's

0:49:22.800 --> 0:49:25.960
<v Speaker 2>spread velvet freaking flavored juneteen ice cream, because why not

0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:27.319
<v Speaker 2>make a mockery of a holiday week?

0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:28.440
<v Speaker 3>It's too hard to have.

0:49:31.480 --> 0:49:33.400
<v Speaker 2>What I honestly, it could have been worse if they

0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:35.560
<v Speaker 2>had been like watermelon flavored or yes, it was like

0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:37.520
<v Speaker 2>the Juneteenth fried chicken or something like that.

0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:40.480
<v Speaker 3>I know, but god, who I was in marketing.

0:49:40.760 --> 0:49:42.560
<v Speaker 1>That's I just want to put I don't know black

0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:45.480
<v Speaker 1>people there. It's like when like Chevy had the Nova and.

0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:49.439
<v Speaker 2>They were like yeah, no, I don't know. I want

0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:50.920
<v Speaker 2>to think that there weren't, but I don't know.

0:49:51.080 --> 0:49:53.839
<v Speaker 1>It's just maybe they weren't listening because sometimes people are

0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:57.920
<v Speaker 1>like no, people are gonna love it, but well, I

0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:03.839
<v Speaker 1>am going to booze because I'm gonna boost alternative. Well,

0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:05.319
<v Speaker 1>m I don't even know how to say. I'll just

0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:07.759
<v Speaker 1>say this that. So when I went to Jordan, I

0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:09.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't know at first, but like, so my friend Cabrera

0:50:09.719 --> 0:50:11.399
<v Speaker 1>was like, Oh, my friend Marian is going to Jordan.

0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Mariyan is a flight attendant. And I was like oh.

0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:16.760
<v Speaker 1>And so, you know, I didn't realize, but the person

0:50:16.800 --> 0:50:20.000
<v Speaker 1>who was who was hosting the trip the tour, he

0:50:20.120 --> 0:50:22.800
<v Speaker 1>himself was a flight attendant. And so ninety percent of

0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:24.440
<v Speaker 1>the people who were on this tour, maybe like twenty

0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:28.520
<v Speaker 1>or so people, maybe like fifteen, they were all flight attendants.

0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:30.040
<v Speaker 1>So ninety percent. There was maybe like just a handful

0:50:30.040 --> 0:50:31.920
<v Speaker 1>of us that weren't like three or four. So they

0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:33.120
<v Speaker 1>all knew each other, you know. I was like, oh,

0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:36.040
<v Speaker 1>they all flew with the United and I was like, okay.

0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:41.200
<v Speaker 1>So it was so interesting how different the conversation is

0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:46.759
<v Speaker 1>with people who travel, you know, it was and it

0:50:46.880 --> 0:50:50.720
<v Speaker 1>just set a tone for me that said that, because

0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:52.640
<v Speaker 1>on the outside, if you didn't know what they did

0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:54.680
<v Speaker 1>for a living, you would have thought, because of the

0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:59.319
<v Speaker 1>type of conversations, that everybody was independently wealthy. Because the

0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:02.960
<v Speaker 1>conversation for ever want something like this, Oh, you know,

0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I really want to get you know, braces or something

0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:09.319
<v Speaker 1>like my my veneers or whatever it is. You know what,

0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:11.960
<v Speaker 1>go to my guy in Vietnam. He's amazing. You know,

0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:13.719
<v Speaker 1>I just feel like I'm like I'm getting a little older,

0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:16.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting sun spots. Oh, I've got that the best guy.

0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:19.920
<v Speaker 1>He's in India. Literally, people had a skin person in India.

0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:24.680
<v Speaker 1>They're dentists in Vietnam, their doctor in Colombia. So they

0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:28.600
<v Speaker 1>sounded like these independent, very wealthy pash people. And not

0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:30.440
<v Speaker 1>to say that, you know, as frightens you to make

0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:33.200
<v Speaker 1>good money, but you know that's a like a good

0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:35.560
<v Speaker 1>regular person job, you know, And it just had it

0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:37.319
<v Speaker 1>just kind of like a light bulb went on in me.

0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Is that oftentimes we say we can't have a certain

0:51:41.600 --> 0:51:45.759
<v Speaker 1>lifestyle because we're because honestly, our thinking is limited. If

0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:48.040
<v Speaker 1>you're someone who's like I would really love to travel

0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:51.279
<v Speaker 1>the world, you honestly don't have to necessarily wait until

0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:55.080
<v Speaker 1>you're this millionaire that there are alternative careers that allow

0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:58.640
<v Speaker 1>you to do that, you know. And so because they

0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:01.320
<v Speaker 1>were telling me, like for example, you know, like maybe

0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:04.120
<v Speaker 1>my flight was like you know, twelve hundred dollars round

0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:07.359
<v Speaker 1>trip to Jordan. But because they're flight attendants and they

0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:09.439
<v Speaker 1>get discounts or sometimes you just pay if you plug

0:52:09.440 --> 0:52:12.120
<v Speaker 1>flights stand by, maybe you just pay taxes. It was

0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:15.160
<v Speaker 1>like under two hundred dollars for them, and so it

0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:17.400
<v Speaker 1>just made it that much more affordable. So it just

0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:20.920
<v Speaker 1>I just think that, you know, so many of us

0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:24.040
<v Speaker 1>get locked into you know, it's almost like first comes love,

0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:26.240
<v Speaker 1>then comes marriage, then comes the baby, the baby carriage,

0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:27.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, well, you know you can actually have

0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:29.680
<v Speaker 1>a baby whenever you want, Well, you know you can actually,

0:52:29.680 --> 0:52:31.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, there are so many alternatives to get the

0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:34.719
<v Speaker 1>end desired goal that you're wanting. So I'm hoping that

0:52:34.800 --> 0:52:36.239
<v Speaker 1>I say all that to say for you to just

0:52:36.320 --> 0:52:38.920
<v Speaker 1>expand your mind and ask yourself, what is actually my

0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:42.280
<v Speaker 1>desired outcome? And am I taking a long route because

0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:44.120
<v Speaker 1>maybe there's a shorter route to live that lifestyle that

0:52:44.120 --> 0:52:46.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying that I want. Because when I tell you, Mandy,

0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:47.880
<v Speaker 1>like if it took me a couple of days to

0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:50.640
<v Speaker 1>realize they were all flight attendants, because I was like, wow,

0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:53.000
<v Speaker 1>these people are well fade because they were just talking

0:52:53.000 --> 0:52:54.560
<v Speaker 1>about all their trips, like oh, remember that time it

0:52:54.640 --> 0:52:58.440
<v Speaker 1>Kenya girl, I remember this time in Zimbabwe or wherever,

0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:00.800
<v Speaker 1>and I'm just like and then I was like, wait,

0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:03.880
<v Speaker 1>y'all are flight attendant. And then I was like, oh,

0:53:04.080 --> 0:53:07.759
<v Speaker 1>they you know, they fly, you know, not for free,

0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:10.040
<v Speaker 1>but damn near in comparison to what a regular ticket

0:53:10.080 --> 0:53:13.200
<v Speaker 1>would cost. And yeah, So it was just an amazing

0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:15.200
<v Speaker 1>trip to meet those amazing people because they were really

0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:18.960
<v Speaker 1>so awesome, but also to just see life through the

0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:23.399
<v Speaker 1>eyes of people who see the world regularly and who

0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:25.840
<v Speaker 1>understand that there's more than one way to achieve that

0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:27.719
<v Speaker 1>type of lifestyle. So I just encourage people to, like

0:53:27.760 --> 0:53:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm gona say, encourage you to be a flight attendant,

0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:32.600
<v Speaker 1>but I'm encouraging you to figure out what your desired

0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:34.640
<v Speaker 1>outcome is and ask yourself, are you taking the long

0:53:34.719 --> 0:53:36.800
<v Speaker 1>route to it? And maybe if there's an easier route,

0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:38.600
<v Speaker 1>well you can enjoy it now you don't have to wait.

0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:41.360
<v Speaker 2>I think you're also just talking about the importance of

0:53:41.400 --> 0:53:44.680
<v Speaker 2>human connection and like actually being around people who have

0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:49.239
<v Speaker 2>who help you see things that are possible that maybe

0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:52.799
<v Speaker 2>you weren't seeing. And it's like putting yourself in other

0:53:52.840 --> 0:53:55.000
<v Speaker 2>people's paths so that you come in contact with those

0:53:55.000 --> 0:53:57.640
<v Speaker 2>types of people. So of course, like putting yourself on

0:53:57.680 --> 0:53:59.480
<v Speaker 2>a trip in Jordan would put you in the path

0:53:59.520 --> 0:54:02.720
<v Speaker 2>of people who were adventurous and willing to try different

0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:06.360
<v Speaker 2>medical treatments in different countries and something like, which is

0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:08.360
<v Speaker 2>all great, but I think for anyone it's like, just

0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:10.680
<v Speaker 2>get out of your comfort zone, go outside your zip code,

0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:14.160
<v Speaker 2>go outside of you know, your immediate circle, because that's

0:54:14.200 --> 0:54:17.720
<v Speaker 2>where it's really just seeing other people, you know, living

0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:20.759
<v Speaker 2>the life that they're leading and being inspired by that

0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:23.680
<v Speaker 2>and like, oh that's possible for me. I feel like

0:54:23.680 --> 0:54:27.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm constantly getting to experience that so often just because

0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:28.480
<v Speaker 2>of the virtue of like the type of work that

0:54:28.520 --> 0:54:30.360
<v Speaker 2>I do and like getting to talk with you and everything,

0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:33.319
<v Speaker 2>and it's really powerful. Hopefully this show itself is like

0:54:33.360 --> 0:54:35.440
<v Speaker 2>one of those small ways people sort of feel like

0:54:35.480 --> 0:54:38.640
<v Speaker 2>they can start to think bigger, you know, and start

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<v Speaker 2>to expect more in a different way. And like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>going from we tell ourselves there's all these rules, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like that at all, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of them are stuff in posts rules and your

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<v Speaker 1>real self and plo.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, like I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Do that, I gotta do this, do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I told myself that okay, we'll tell yourself something different.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, we get so locked up and so like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it has to be done this way. It's like does that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but sometimes you need someone else who's doing

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<v Speaker 1>it differently.

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<v Speaker 2>To Thailand because I keep saying I can just do

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<v Speaker 2>it and Rio can learn tie be fun for real. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back, Tip and yeah that's the show. We will

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<v Speaker 2>see y'all next week. Don't forget to check in for

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<v Speaker 2>our b a Q and A on Fridays.

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<v Speaker 1>And don't feel feel free to tweet me dm me

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<v Speaker 1>maybe give me a different perspective, because I really do

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy hearing from Brown a Bison folk. I'm just the budget.

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<v Speaker 1>He's done all the all the platforms. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>just like girl, you was wrong. Girl, you want to

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<v Speaker 1>tweet me, I'm awlad with that. I might black you. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I won't block you, but no, but.

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<v Speaker 3>For inviting more like inviting wrek.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, because you know, because I'm always I'm always

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<v Speaker 1>on a quest to like, how can I do and

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<v Speaker 1>be a better person? Because ultimately I feel like that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we're all called to do, is to like that

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately you are here to be the best person that

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<v Speaker 1>you are capable of being. And so I am committed

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<v Speaker 1>to always to growth, always, you know, to acknowledging challenges

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<v Speaker 1>and then growing and then hopefully showing up better and

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledging some more, and then growing and showing up better.

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<v Speaker 2>So to growing and giving yourself grace.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, growing and grace that champagne. So y'all, We love y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't, I mean, hello, this is a great episode.

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