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Speaker 2: Hey manr hey, welcome back from your desert goddess vacation.

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Speaker 1: We had such a good I had such a good time.

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Speaker 1: Like it was so remember I said by BALI was

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Speaker 2: I got to remember that the next time I'm in

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Speaker 1: I also got to like get rebaptized in the Jordan River.

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Speaker 2: speaking of layoffs right now, I mean we're seeing you know,

433
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Speaker 2: dozens at Netflix for recently laid off Klarna, which is

434
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Speaker 2: like one of those buy now, pay later apps that

435
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Speaker 2: was really huge. Just let seven hundred people, ten percent

436
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Speaker 2: of its global workforce off with a prerecorded video message,

437
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Speaker 2: and I guarantee you they're not going to get a

438
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Speaker 2: call from the CEO to say.

439
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Speaker 3: How you doing.

440
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Speaker 2: It was really compassionate of you to extend that. I

441
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Speaker 2: also want to as a friend, I just want to

442
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Speaker 2: like protect you because I'm like part of me is like,

443
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Speaker 2: don't put yourself like that's really vulnerable at a time

444
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Speaker 2: when I feel like you don't need to be vulnerable

445
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Speaker 2: in that way, like open yourself up to that kind

446
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Speaker 2: of to that kind of reaction, that kind of negativity.

447
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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised that you encountered it, only only because

448
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Speaker 2: you know, humans are humans, and they are grieving and

449
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Speaker 2: they and they haven't had a place to maybe put

450
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Speaker 2: that grief or they don't have.

451
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Speaker 3: You just never know what.

452
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Speaker 2: People's what people's own coping mechanisms are, if they or

453
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Speaker 2: if they even have any, or if they've ever suffered

454
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Speaker 2: a loss like that or dealt with job loss. And

455
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Speaker 2: I think with us, we have a perspective of, you know,

456
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Speaker 2: the greater perspective of there'll be other opportunities. I mean,

457
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Speaker 2: I talked about this when you first initially were so

458
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Speaker 2: candid and honest about you know, the layoff set Literature Academy,

459
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Speaker 2: just about the overall picture that they got to work

460
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Speaker 2: for an incredible company with the black female CEO and

461
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Speaker 2: what a privilege that is, and the you know, and

462
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Speaker 2: like you just laid out, you know, all of those things.

463
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Speaker 2: But sometimes if they're so if they're so steeped in

464
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Speaker 2: that fear of resentment, grief of their.

465
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Speaker 3: Own they can't see all that yet.

466
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Speaker 2: You know. I feel like in a year they'll have

467
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Speaker 2: some clarity, and having been fired and laid off myself,

468
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Speaker 2: I can, like, you know, there's just stuff that they

469
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Speaker 2: need to work on individually that has nothing to do

470
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Speaker 2: with you, and I think, just as a friend, I'm

471
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Speaker 2: just like, no, don't put yourself there, you.

472
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Speaker 1: Know, I just want to, like, you know, because I

473
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Speaker 1: also do want to be better. So I'm just like,

474
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Speaker 1: you know, here's what I probably could have done differently.

475
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Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't have been in a better emotional

476
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Speaker 1: state because I don't think I could have done about that.

477
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Speaker 1: But maybe, you know, like I'm sure people would have

478
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Speaker 1: wanted me to be the one to lay them on.

479
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Speaker 1: I just was not in that space to like, you know,

480
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Speaker 1: I wasn't like, you know, like it was either Tamera,

481
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Speaker 1: you know, so somebody who they'd known. But it's just

482
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Speaker 1: you know, so I just don't know what I could

483
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Speaker 1: have done differently, because it's just like, do we all

484
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Speaker 1: sink do we just destroy the company? I just you know,

485
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Speaker 1: I just but to your point, everyone is allowed to

486
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Speaker 1: grieve because they're grieving as well, you know, And it's

487
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Speaker 1: not everybody. Honestly, there were people who did a great job,

488
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Speaker 1: and I just felt really bad that we had to

489
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Speaker 1: let them go just because it just wasn't the position

490
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Speaker 1: we had or could afford anymore. So there are certainly

491
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Speaker 1: people who it wasn't anything they did. It was just

492
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Speaker 1: this is where we are now. But yeah, it just like, honestly,

493
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Speaker 1: it just I don't want to be in that position anymore.

494
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Speaker 1: It just made me realize I'd made the right decision

495
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Speaker 1: because it's me Rose and Logan over at Budgetista and

496
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Speaker 1: when I tell you, but also to the lesson, you know,

497
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Speaker 1: this is just for anyone listening. This is like something

498
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Speaker 1: even a lesson that I'm going to be sharing with

499
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Speaker 1: my mentees soon, is that there are some people on

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Speaker 1: the team that if I'm being all the way candid,

501
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Speaker 1: I said, no matter what, keep them because they did

502
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Speaker 1: what I call illustrate your Oprah. So I mean, I

503
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Speaker 1: don't know if this is still true, but like let's

504
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Speaker 1: just say Oprah said, you know, hey, Mandy Tiffany, you

505
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Speaker 1: know we for ten thousand dollars. You know, I'm going

506
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Speaker 1: to connect you with all of my business connections. You know,

507
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Speaker 1: I'm going to help you, you know, showcase Mandy your

508
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Speaker 1: new bug, Tiffany, whatever that is. Me and Mandy would

509
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Speaker 1: come up with that ten thousand dollars because Oprah, we

510
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Speaker 1: see her value so clearly that we know that ten

511
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars investment is going to yield way more back.

512
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Speaker 1: And that's why I called illustrating your Oprah, like so

513
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Speaker 1: clearly illustrating how valuable you are. And there are people

514
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Speaker 1: on the team that I was like, I don't know

515
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Speaker 1: what we're going to have you do when it all

516
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Speaker 1: shakes out, but the value you bring is so compellingly

517
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Speaker 1: obvious that I need you to still be here. And

518
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Speaker 1: so it's a lesson in that when you bring excellence

519
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Speaker 1: to the table, a space is always made for you.

520
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Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. Sometimes that company it really doesn't

521
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Speaker 1: have the money, but let's just say you were so amazing.

522
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Speaker 1: I mean, the people I know in this industry, the

523
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Speaker 1: even outside of this industry, A phone call is easily

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Speaker 1: made to place you someplace else easily because the value

525
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Speaker 1: you've brought is so strong that either I will find

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Speaker 1: the money to keep you or I will find a

527
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Speaker 1: place for you because I know what you bring to

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Speaker 1: the table, and there are people who what phone call?

529
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Speaker 1: Why would I make that phone call?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like, I don't want people to go through the same

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Speaker 1: thing that I went through. And so that also was

533
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Speaker 1: a lesson, is that do you truly bring excellence to

534
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Speaker 1: the table or you just have been like eating luxuriously

535
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Speaker 1: and some people have and I allowed it, if I'm

536
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Speaker 1: being all the way honest, I allowed it. But then

537
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Speaker 1: when the going gets tough, you get to see we

538
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Speaker 1: have to cut the fat, and it's just like, wait me, yes,

539
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Speaker 1: because you didn't bring value to the table in a

540
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Speaker 1: way that will allow me to keep you or in

541
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Speaker 1: a way that allowed me to place you someplace else,

542
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Speaker 1: because I, like I said, I know people who have

543
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Speaker 1: huge businesses, huge platform that are looking for certain talent

544
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Speaker 1: that they're only a handful of people that I'd be like,

545
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Speaker 1: I would send somebody there. So I think that's just

546
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Speaker 1: a lesson too. It's like when I said I came

547
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Speaker 1: back to like all those contracts, you know, I didn't

548
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Speaker 1: know what I was going to come back to. I

549
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Speaker 1: thought maybe the budgetista is done, you know, and everybody

550
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Speaker 1: who wanted to work with me last year. I was like, honestly,

551
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Speaker 1: I don't have it. I don't know what I'm going

552
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Speaker 1: to come back, but I just and ninety five percent

553
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Speaker 1: of them said I'll wait, and they did wait, and

554
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Speaker 1: I was able to extend the contract later and keep

555
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Speaker 1: the business going. And so I think that's a testament

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Speaker 1: to illustrating your OPRAH. So for those of you who

557
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Speaker 1: were maybe experiencing job loss, you know, continue to illustrate

558
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Speaker 1: your OPRAH, and a space will be made, if not

559
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Speaker 1: at that company, somebody else. Like look at Mandy. She

560
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Speaker 1: went from like what how do you let me go?

561
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Speaker 1: To how is chicken a game? We're on her own chain? No? Please,

562
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Speaker 1: because one year, don't even do it. Don't let Mandy

563
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Speaker 1: be gave my nether day and one year, girl, Mandy

564
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Speaker 1: is literally six years ahead of seat of schedule. She

565
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Speaker 1: might not see it, but I see it as somebody

566
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Speaker 1: who grew from scratch, like she's going from scratch. She

567
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Speaker 1: is six years ahead of schedule because her Mandy brings

568
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Speaker 1: excellence to the table. She illustrates her value. So clearly,

569
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Speaker 1: look how far ahead she's been able to leap in

570
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Speaker 1: one year. So even if a space is not help

571
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Speaker 1: for you, you'll be able to make a space for yourself.

572
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Speaker 1: And so Mandy can always bank on herself because of

573
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Speaker 1: the excellence that she consistently brings to the table, and

574
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Speaker 1: so nobody can't take that away from you. So I

575
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Speaker 1: you know, if you work for me and I wasn't

576
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Speaker 1: able to keep you and you're excellent, you will find

577
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Speaker 1: someplace else that will be You know, you'll be able

578
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Speaker 1: to say. There's one woman in particular, she's excellent. She

579
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Speaker 1: asked me, could I write her a letter of recommendation.

580
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Speaker 1: I sure did. She already has a new job because

581
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Speaker 1: she was excellent. It's just that that wasn't a role

582
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Speaker 1: that we could fill anymore. So the shady part of

583
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: me wants to be like, so if you haven't heard

584
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Speaker 1: from me, there's a reason for those you have. I'm sorry, Sis.

585
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Speaker 2: I mean also like you're going to be much The

586
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Speaker 2: reality of being in business is that these things happen.

587
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Speaker 2: And I don't think for a second anyone should kid themselves,

588
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Speaker 2: whether I mean even Tiffany. You have this huge heart.

589
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 2: You want to help everybody. At the end of the day,

590
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 2: it's a business, and so you made a business decision

591
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: that inconvenienced a lot of people. That happens, and that's why,

592
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Speaker 2: and especially what you're saying now about the people on

593
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Speaker 2: your team that you want to go to bat for

594
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Speaker 2: and help them find their next opportunity. This is why

595
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: as individuals we have to be so laser focused on

596
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: our brand, our professional brand, our skill sets, like you said,

597
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: are excellence and how are we how are we you know, growing?

598
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Speaker 2: How are we developing so that we can be the

599
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Speaker 2: person that people want on their teams that they and

600
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Speaker 2: so you have unlimited opportunities always, And that's why I

601
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Speaker 2: have been able to go into business fearlessly because it's

602
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Speaker 2: like you said, like there is those skills that I

603
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: know I can fall back on and and good good,

604
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Speaker 2: you know, no burned bridges that I can think of.

605
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Speaker 3: Maybe a couple a little.

606
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Speaker 2: Leis it, maybe with dents, maybe they're on like still

607
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: held together popsicle sticks, but they're still a bridge.

608
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Speaker 3: Can get across it.

609
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean that's just the message. I mean,

610
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Speaker 2: whether you are and also for people who are running

611
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Speaker 2: businesses and making those tough decisions at the end of

612
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Speaker 2: the day, like what you said clear, being clear is kindness?

613
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Speaker 2: Is that I mean that is just and it brings

614
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: me back to like, you know, if you haven't read

615
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: this book called Dared to Lead by Brene Brown, I love, love,

616
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: love all of her messages around leadership and being clear

617
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: is terrifying. And I know we've talked like TIF, you've

618
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: talked about your struggle with having those difficult conversations and

619
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,239
Speaker 2: how you know you're continuing to work on that. But

620
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: this experience, I mean not that I ever want to say.

621
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Speaker 2: Of course, we would all want to rill back a

622
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: million times over versus this, but you know, the growth

623
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Speaker 2: as a business owner, this this this growth that we're

624
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: all getting to witness. You're in the middle of it.

625
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: You're going to be a more so much better, and

626
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: you're open to learn, You're open to saying here's what

627
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Speaker 2: I would do differently, and that I think is what

628
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: separates great leaders. And you may say never again, no

629
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Speaker 2: ceo ever again, but you won't. That's not your last

630
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Speaker 2: great business. I mean, I just come on, you're Tiffany

631
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: like you will create and it'll be better and better

632
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: next time, the next time and next time.

633
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Speaker 1: And I'm just grateful because I honestly I have my

634
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Speaker 1: next therapy appointment with doctor Green tomorrow, So I'm gonna

635
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: share and just be like what Because one of the

636
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: things that doctor Green tries to work on with me

637
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: is how Mike, because I used to always tell I'm

638
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: self aware, she said no, She's like, Tiffany, sometimes we

639
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: think that we're self aware, but we're more self deprecating.

640
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: She's like that true humility is taking up the exact

641
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:50,479
Speaker 1: amount of space. Tiffany, that not overreaching to arrogance, but

642
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: not undershooting to self deprecation. And I'm like, okay, because

643
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: sometimes we think humility and like, Okay, I'm trying to hump,

644
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be kind. Means that like we take

645
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: we take a step all the way back, and she's like, no,

646
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: it's taking up the exact amount of space. So in

647
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: this moment, I mean, I know I'm angry or whatever,

648
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: but honestly, really the anger is just spent, is just

649
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: it's just it's really just me. I'm just sad, honestly,

650
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm sad, and so I just I

651
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: want to get a better framework of like where could

652
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: I have done better? But also what not to pick

653
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: up because I know that I have a tendency to

654
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: be like I should have done this, I should have

655
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: done this. I can understand that, and not to give

656
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: myself my own grace in space to be like, well, yes, yes,

657
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: maybe those things are true.

658
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: You can give yourself the grace you deserve. Don't expect

659
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: everyone else to give it to you. Yes, it's got

660
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: to come from you.

661
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I believe so, because you're right. If I'm

662
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: waiting on other people then like I might not ever

663
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Speaker 1: know it.

664
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Speaker 2: It's none of your business what they think about you.

665
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: That's Tabitha Brown in my head all the time. None

666
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 2: my business. You give yourself that grace because you have

667
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: to know. You have to know who you are at

668
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: your core and your intentions and make peace with that

669
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: and understand that some people will feel however they're going

670
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: to feel about it, but that's not your business. You

671
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: can't change it too. You had too much shit to do,

672
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: you have too much feeling to do.

673
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just like I do. Doctor Green is

674
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: going to be like really, Tiffany, like I'm like this

675
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: for her, I know, be a good week. I know

676
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: that like with all, like like the grieving exercise that

677
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: we had that that's not what you're putting on your plate,

678
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I know, but because really what I'm

679
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: saying is I hate that people are mad at me,

680
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: and I don't want them to be upset with me.

681
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: And I feel really bad because I care about them,

682
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: because I do, you know. But yeah, to your point,

683
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: I know, I nobody knows it's going to.

684
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 3: Piss them off.

685
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: Tif you were always going to piss them off when

686
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: they lost their jobs. There was a not a world

687
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: in which they weren't going to be upset about that,

688
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: you know, And I think that's what it is. It's

689
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: about letting, but it's what needed to be done for

690
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: where you were at that stage in the business.

691
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: Maybe in a.

692
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: Perfect world you would have had a successor or systems

693
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: in place, or more savings or whatever, but that was

694
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: the reality, you know, and you did the best with

695
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: what you could, and often making the best choice for

696
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: ourselves does mean inconveniencing and hurting other people.

697
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: You know, you had the best, Mandy. Honestly, you're like

698
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: such a good friend.

699
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 3: You are for real, Thanks, Tiff, for real.

700
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Yeah, I'm trying to call it every

701
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: damn episode. I do really appreciate that because.

702
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: You showed up what did I say. I don't need,

703
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: I don't expect anything. You showed up.

704
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: You sit and if you want to stare at me

705
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: for an hour, we can do that.

706
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: No, for real, I appreciate that you have no idea

707
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: because I was really just like, dang, Tiffany, you should

708
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: have done more, you could have been better. And it's

709
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: just like the the other part of me was like, Tiffany,

710
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: the hell, Like when do you get to grieve? When

711
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: do you get to not carry everybody's burden like sold

712
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: you were you supposed to keep them for the rest

713
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: of their life when they're ninety years old, Like what

714
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: was the scenario going to be like? And so like, No,

715
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: I just appreciate that, Like I know doctor Green is

716
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: going to read me gently for filth Life girl stop,

717
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: which I don't.

718
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: Want you to be angry either at them, because I

719
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: feel like they're having human reactions. You're at wells freaking humans, right,

720
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: And I love I know I keep talking about bray

721
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: Brene Brown because I'm kind of a basic bitch like that,

722
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: But I love Brene Brown. She has this podcast called

723
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: Dare to Lead, named after her book and her her

724
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: leadership training that she does and this most recent episode

725
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: made me think of you because Brenee Brown is stepping

726
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: down as CEO of her business, Yes, and she talks

727
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: about it, and the things that she was talking about

728
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 2: reminded me of you, and the compassion that she's having

729
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: for herself and her sister. She's named two co CEOs

730
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: in her place, so it took two CEOs to do what.

731
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 3: She was doing.

732
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's it's a recent episode where they talk

733
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: about and what I also love that stuck with me

734
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: from this conversation. So for those of you who don't know,

735
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 2: Brene Brown has this her TikTok. Her ted talk went

736
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: viral of years ago about vulnerability and shame. So she's

737
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: a social worker who's a shame expert and has taken

738
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: her message around being vulnerable and dealing with shame and

739
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 2: uses it to create better leadership, braver leadership, more inclusive companies,

740
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: all of that. So she's built this big business with

741
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 2: you know, dozens of employees and they have facilitators doing

742
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: these trainings around the globe, you know. So it's a

743
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 2: big company that she's built. And you know, from someone

744
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: who is a social worker, you know, as a preschool teacher,

745
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: I feel like, that's part social worker in a way,

746
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: and she in the show opens up about bringing her

747
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: They bring everyone back to their headquarters for an all

748
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Speaker 2: hands after the pandemic, and she's like, and one of

749
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: the things that I love that she talks about is

750
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: how in her All Hands she specifically said, we need

751
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: to reintroduce ourselves to one another. And none of us

752
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: is the same. We've all we are different. Let's not

753
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: as not business as usual, we are fundamentally different. The pain,

754
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 2: the grief, the suffering that we've gone through, you know,

755
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: and what do we look like now? And how do

756
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: we show up to work now? And she's taking she

757
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 2: also announced she's taking a fourteen week sabbatical, like step

758
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 2: down a ceo, taking fourteen weeks off because that's the

759
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: level of burnout that she's gotten to, and giving her

760
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: employees four weeks paid vacation off this summer as well,

761
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: and just to acknowledge, She's like, this is the bravest

762
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: thing we've ever done, which is to step away. Yeah,

763
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: And anyway, I think that that's that reminded me of

764
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 2: you too, because I do think that there are CEOs

765
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Speaker 2: out there who get to that or end up there

766
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: and it all feels right, and then you realize, Okay,

767
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: this is actually not what I need or for me,

768
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: And then that inconvenience isn't hurt some people maybe, But

769
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: what's the.

770
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: Alternative, Yeah, to stay here and to like to.

771
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 3: Drown push yourself into the ground.

772
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: Like yeah, because something that really like helped. It was

773
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: like for me not to be angry with them because

774
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: everyone's everyone is feeling like their feelings are valid. You know,

775
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: it's not. It wasn't. I'm not the only one who

776
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: lost something. They lost something too. You know. There's a

777
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: level of grief that folks who were not at a

778
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: place where I'm assuming they love to work and I

779
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: love the people that they worked with like to lose

780
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: that that is a that is a great loss as well,

781
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, and there's a grieving process for that as well.

782
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: So to leave, I can't ask for grace and space

783
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: and not also extended you know. Yeah, it's like protecting

784
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: your heart too. And I do think it was like

785
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: incredibly generous of you to talk to them and give

786
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: them a space to let go of some of that

787
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: anger if they wanted to. But it's just like so

788
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: what you don't internalize it don't let it stay there

789
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: in you.

790
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: It's almost like not comparting, not like a psychopath. You know,

791
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 2: you have to you feel things, and plus you're an mpath.

792
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 2: We've talked about that before, but not letting it sit

793
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 2: with you on your spirit just kind of like looking

794
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: at it as something that's floating past you. You know,

795
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: this is anger. I understand it. Okay, it's it's gone. Now,

796
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: it's in the world. That's theirs to carry, not me.

797
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 3: Doctor Green. I set her up for you so she'll

798
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: be ready to go to.

799
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: Doctor Google and then maybe saying she's like that's good.

800
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: Yes, I will send you the podcast episode Dare to Lead.

801
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: By my girl Burne Brown.

802
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: Yes.

803
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: So I'm reading a new book called Burnout's Book. No,

804
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: it's not anything like you think a book called burnout

805
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: would be. Like, it's about our emotions and how it's

806
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 2: it's like the tools that we can use to actually

807
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: move through an emotion so we don't get to the

808
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: place of burnout. And how burnout especially from people who

809
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: were in like service industries and service like medical professionals

810
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: and teachers and things like that. How sometimes it's because

811
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 2: the day to day chronic stress of those jobs and

812
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: those and also being a parent. The chronic stress of that,

813
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: how we end up to a place where we're spiraling,

814
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: where not all the self care in the world can

815
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: save us, because it's like the chronic nature of it,

816
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 2: the day after day after day, and not like sitting

817
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: with and acknowledging those feelings and emotions. So it's really

818
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: a book about emotions and how to like move through

819
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: them so that you don't end up in that space

820
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: of deep burnout where you're just nothing I do is working.

821
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: I'm not being effective, you know. I you know, it's

822
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: a really I'm looking forward to finishing this book.

823
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: But no send me that to because I you know,

824
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: these days I have a lot of time to read

825
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: so and but no, I would love that, because you're right,

826
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: I want to get to a space where like those

827
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: things flow through and I could acknowledge, Like one of

828
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: the things doctor Green always reminds me is two things

829
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: can be true. I can say this is the best

830
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 1: that I had, but I can also acknowledge it's still

831
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: hurtful on the other side, and that's true as well.

832
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: Just because this is just because my intention was not

833
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: to hurt doesn't mean people didn't feel hurt, you know.

834
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: So it's like two things can be true at one time,

835
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, and so like just acknowledging that, like, okay,

836
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: like people are allowed to feel that. I don't have

837
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: to internalize it, you know, I can say, Okay, yes,

838
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: it would not have been ideal. And obviously I would

839
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: love for Drill to be here and I would continue

840
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 1: to be the regular tifany I was before, but that's

841
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: not where we are. So no, this was honestly, this

842
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: was because I was debating whether or how much to

843
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: share and how much to be transparent. And you know,

844
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm certain, like I said, like, I know some of

845
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: my current employees and past employees have you know, listened

846
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: to the podcast. But honestly, the truth is is nothing

847
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: that I have not either shared. Well, there are a

848
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: handful of people who I have not called because honestly

849
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: they did nothing, like you know, we needed to fire

850
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: them some time ago. So you know, they were fortunate

851
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: to be able to ride the wave for as long

852
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: as they did, and they know and they they don't know,

853
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: well greing her here for me, you know now. But

854
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, for those people who like, you know, I

855
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: really reached out to because I'm just like, dang, you know,

856
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: I wish things could be different. I you know, it's

857
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: a learning lesson and you're right, maybe one day, but

858
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: for now, child, it's a lot like and I'm hoping

859
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: I'm sharing this and being as transparent because most people

860
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: in business, they will share either their wins or their

861
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: semi losses, not like this. This huge, like I don't

862
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: even want to call it a loss but challenge, And I

863
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: just want this for you to see. This is also

864
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: part of leadership that like, you're not gonna make all

865
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: the right choices. There are gonna be people who are

866
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: gonna be really upset because they're like I was using

867
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: that money to fund my college fund for my kid,

868
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: or you know, it's not I don't take it lightly

869
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: like someone losing that income. And so these are things

870
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: that you're just like, but I don't know what else

871
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: I could have done. But you know, I just want

872
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: you to see that sometimes there is no there is

873
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: no right answer, is just learning and this is what

874
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: part of like entrepreneurship looks like that, like, you know,

875
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: for those who get to a point where they can

876
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: hire people, you know.

877
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that so much. I'd like to end

878
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: on that note, like to give yourself space to not

879
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: actually have some magical epiphany like it just sucks. Yes,

880
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: everything sucks. Drell's gone up sucks. Yes, you know those

881
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: people lost their jobs.

882
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: That sucks.

883
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: There sucks.

884
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: Yes, and you just need more time to work through it.

885
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

886
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but on both sides.

887
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, give yourself, give yourself the grace that you know

888
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: you deserve. Okay, okay, my friend, be nice to my

889
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: friend over there. Meditate on that camel.

890
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: You were just right? Did the camels smell bad?

891
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: Did they surprisingly know? Although I've heard that camel's spit

892
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: maybe that's lamas, But I mean I didn't want to

893
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: see them like they're actually pretty like gentle creatures, like,

894
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: but you could tell they.

895
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 3: Were like once.

896
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: I didn't want to like make you they were less cool.

897
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 2: But I didn't write a camel. I was at the

898
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: Saint Louis Zoo. That's where I was, and I lied

899
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: to them and told them Rio was two years old,

900
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: and he was not two years old. But it's also

901
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: he passed for two. But it was the things you

902
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: do for your child. I was petrified. Camel they're very

903
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: high up there.

904
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: They very high. They are they are very high on

905
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: and I wrote a donkey, which I would not suggest

906
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: because there's a part of Petro where you get to

907
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: like you can go to what's called the monastery, but

908
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: it's like an hour walk incline upstairs, like or twenty

909
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: minutes on a donkey. I was like, girl, give me

910
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: the twenty minutes on a donkey. I'm only here by

911
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: God's grace because but I mean it was so scary.

912
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: I mean I just was like, donkey, I'm just gonna

913
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: trust that you know the way and you know what

914
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: you're doing it. The way it was bad. The way

915
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: down was worse because you're down the steep incline on

916
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 1: ancient steps. I was like, I don't know. The donkey

917
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: was like, girl, look if I go down, you go

918
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: down to So I would not suggest it. I should

919
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: have just walked in the hundred degree weather. But yeah,

920
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: that was the donkey. I mean, the camera was That's

921
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: how you know it had to be bad because the

922
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: camera was much easier than a donkey. Yeah, that Moore donkey.

923
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: Donkeys are like, girl, I was not put on here

924
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: to carry your behind up these steps.

925
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: But there though, we deserve a little breaky break, all right,

926
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 2: let's take a break and we'll be right back with

927
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: boost or break. Yes, all right, we are bag. It's

928
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: time for a boost and break.

929
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 3: Wait I didn't think. Wait, I didn't. I didn't give

930
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 3: to her opportunity.

931
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: And now it's time to boost up, break or boost break?

932
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: Are you gonna booth? Are you gonna break? What you're

933
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 1: gonna do? What you're gonna I don't remember this song ever,

934
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: so you go, you're gonna booth, You're gonna break.

935
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take a break. It's hard to pick a

936
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 3: break these days.

937
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: Well, first, I don't think we've had time to acknowledge

938
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: the horrific shooting in Buffalo last weekend, and partially part

939
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: of that is we didn't record a show last week.

940
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: But also I'm speaking of giving yourself grace. I was

941
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 2: giving myself time to just process. But yeah, that's been

942
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: sitting on my spirit, So my heart goes out to them.

943
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: I did find it healing to get together with my neighborhood.

944
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: We had a little like a candlelight vigil just in

945
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: the middle of our neighborhood, and I did find that

946
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: you know something, because there's there's nothing you can do

947
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: but just love each other and support one another. But

948
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: on top of that, there was some shenanigans in the

949
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: news and a couple of things. I was toggling between,

950
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 2: should we talk about Walmart's June teenth red velvet flavored

951
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 2: ice cream or could we talk about Wells Fargo uggin

952
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 2: proving they are the worst, the worst, the worst.

953
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 3: There was this.

954
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 2: Crazy article about in The Times about how people at

955
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: Wells Fargo wistle blower have come out and said that

956
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: they held fake, basically fake interviews with diverse candidates to

957
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: just in case they were ever audited. They were sort

958
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: of worried, oh maybe, oh yeah, yeah. For many open positions,

959
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 2: employees would interview a quote unquote diverse candidate. This article

960
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 2: says the bank's term for a woman or a person

961
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: of color, in keeping with an informal policy. And then

962
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: these people noticed that they would be interviewed for a

963
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 2: job that had already been promised to something to someone else.

964
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 2: And when this wilso blow or spoke out, shout out

965
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: to mister Bruno, who was fired, and he says that

966
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: Wells Fargo did fired him in retaliation because he was

967
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 2: going around saying these fake interviews are inappropriate, morally wrong, etc.

968
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 3: But he wasn't the only one.

969
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 2: They had like half a dozen former Wells Fargo's Wells

970
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: Fargo employees who verified that this was happening, and what

971
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: a waste of everyone's time this is.

972
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm just like, how can you get any like the

973
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: fact that the City of New York said we're not

974
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: doing no more business with y'all because of these Like

975
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: I just like, is there like literally do you wake

976
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: up and say, how can we be as as terrible

977
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: as possible? How can we be said, hmm, what can

978
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: we do? Like I just honestly, but that's why we

979
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: moved over. We left, you know, the Fargo. And not

980
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,959
Speaker 1: to say that like any other bank is like so great,

981
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: but I'm like, damn, Like you know, big banks are

982
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: not my favorite at all. But you know, once you

983
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: have a certain sized business, it's hard to do like

984
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: the smaller banks, just because there's certain things that you

985
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: just need, you know, and so but yeah, we were

986
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: with them for years and just every time you turn around,

987
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: you're just like the worst of the worst of the

988
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: worst of the worst. Wells Fargo is actually my first

989
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: because before it was Wells Fargo, it was called like

990
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: Jakovia before WAKOVI was called something else, and so I

991
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 1: was with the bank before the bank, before the bank,

992
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: like it was my first bank account. I forget what

993
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: it was called, like the actual like first whatever the

994
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: bank was called before, and then it became like something

995
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: else and became WACOB, then became Wells Fargo. But I

996
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: was with that bank four banks back. So this was like,

997
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, my very first bank account. And I'm like, sis,

998
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: y'all are just even though I have like twenty thousand

999
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: bank accounts and it took like so long to switch

1000
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 1: everything over. I said, I can't a counts.

1001
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: They have just continued to show their ass I just

1002
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: don't see how anyone any people of color could bank

1003
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: with this place, Like they're the same bank where the

1004
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 2: CEO basically said, we'd love to have more diverse candidates,

1005
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: but it's hard to find qualified black candidates.

1006
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 3: Remember from like June tire moony, my god.

1007
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: And then last August, they paid eight million dollars to

1008
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 2: settle a Department of Labor claim that it discriminated against

1009
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: more than thirty thousand black job applicants for positions. Settled

1010
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: a case in twenty seventeen, thirty six million dollars class

1011
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: action lawsuit again for not advancing black financial advisors and

1012
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 2: financial advisor trainees at the company.

1013
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: Like they're Goulda watched they're gonna just renamed news. They're

1014
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 1: gonna rename themselves.

1015
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 3: Bad news bears.

1016
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: They need they need to just burn it down, I guess,

1017
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: I mean not literally, but just start from scratch, like

1018
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 2: can we just overhaul everything? But yeah, that got my

1019
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: blood going this this this past week, that in Walmart's

1020
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: spread velvet freaking flavored juneteen ice cream, because why not

1021
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 2: make a mockery of a holiday week?

1022
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 3: It's too hard to have.

1023
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: What I honestly, it could have been worse if they

1024
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: had been like watermelon flavored or yes, it was like

1025
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: the Juneteenth fried chicken or something like that.

1026
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 3: I know, but god, who I was in marketing.

1027
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: That's I just want to put I don't know black

1028
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: people there. It's like when like Chevy had the Nova and.

1029
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 2: They were like yeah, no, I don't know. I want

1030
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 2: to think that there weren't, but I don't know.

1031
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: It's just maybe they weren't listening because sometimes people are

1032
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: like no, people are gonna love it, but well, I

1033
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: am going to booze because I'm gonna boost alternative. Well,

1034
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: m I don't even know how to say. I'll just

1035
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: say this that. So when I went to Jordan, I

1036
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: didn't know at first, but like, so my friend Cabrera

1037
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, my friend Marian is going to Jordan.

1038
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: Mariyan is a flight attendant. And I was like oh.

1039
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I didn't realize, but the person

1040
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: who was who was hosting the trip the tour, he

1041
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: himself was a flight attendant. And so ninety percent of

1042
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: the people who were on this tour, maybe like twenty

1043
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: or so people, maybe like fifteen, they were all flight attendants.

1044
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: So ninety percent. There was maybe like just a handful

1045
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: of us that weren't like three or four. So they

1046
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: all knew each other, you know. I was like, oh,

1047
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: they all flew with the United and I was like, okay.

1048
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: So it was so interesting how different the conversation is

1049
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: with people who travel, you know, it was and it

1050
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 1: just set a tone for me that said that, because

1051
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: on the outside, if you didn't know what they did

1052
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: for a living, you would have thought, because of the

1053
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: type of conversations, that everybody was independently wealthy. Because the

1054
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: conversation for ever want something like this, Oh, you know,

1055
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: I really want to get you know, braces or something

1056
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: like my my veneers or whatever it is. You know what,

1057
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: go to my guy in Vietnam. He's amazing. You know,

1058
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm like I'm getting a little older,

1059
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: I'm getting sun spots. Oh, I've got that the best guy.

1060
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: He's in India. Literally, people had a skin person in India.

1061
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: They're dentists in Vietnam, their doctor in Colombia. So they

1062
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: sounded like these independent, very wealthy pash people. And not

1063
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: to say that, you know, as frightens you to make

1064
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: good money, but you know that's a like a good

1065
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: regular person job, you know, And it just had it

1066
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: just kind of like a light bulb went on in me.

1067
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: Is that oftentimes we say we can't have a certain

1068
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: lifestyle because we're because honestly, our thinking is limited. If

1069
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: you're someone who's like I would really love to travel

1070
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: the world, you honestly don't have to necessarily wait until

1071
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: you're this millionaire that there are alternative careers that allow

1072
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: you to do that, you know. And so because they

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Speaker 1: were telling me, like for example, you know, like maybe

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Speaker 1: my flight was like you know, twelve hundred dollars round

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Speaker 1: trip to Jordan. But because they're flight attendants and they

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00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 1: get discounts or sometimes you just pay if you plug

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Speaker 1: flights stand by, maybe you just pay taxes. It was

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Speaker 1: like under two hundred dollars for them, and so it

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Speaker 1: just made it that much more affordable. So it just

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Speaker 1: I just think that, you know, so many of us

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00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: get locked into you know, it's almost like first comes love,

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00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 1: then comes marriage, then comes the baby, the baby carriage,

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00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, you know you can actually have

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00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: a baby whenever you want, Well, you know you can actually,

1085
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: you know, there are so many alternatives to get the

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00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: end desired goal that you're wanting. So I'm hoping that

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Speaker 1: I say all that to say for you to just

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00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: expand your mind and ask yourself, what is actually my

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00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 1: desired outcome? And am I taking a long route because

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00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: maybe there's a shorter route to live that lifestyle that

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00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying that I want. Because when I tell you, Mandy,

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00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: like if it took me a couple of days to

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00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: realize they were all flight attendants, because I was like, wow,

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00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: these people are well fade because they were just talking

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00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: about all their trips, like oh, remember that time it

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00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: Kenya girl, I remember this time in Zimbabwe or wherever,

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00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: and I'm just like and then I was like, wait,

1098
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: y'all are flight attendant. And then I was like, oh,

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00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: they you know, they fly, you know, not for free,

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Speaker 1: but damn near in comparison to what a regular ticket

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Speaker 1: would cost. And yeah, So it was just an amazing

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Speaker 1: trip to meet those amazing people because they were really

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00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: so awesome, but also to just see life through the

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00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: eyes of people who see the world regularly and who

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00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: understand that there's more than one way to achieve that

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00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: type of lifestyle. So I just encourage people to, like

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00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: I'm gona say, encourage you to be a flight attendant,

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00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: but I'm encouraging you to figure out what your desired

1109
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: outcome is and ask yourself, are you taking the long

1110
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 1: route to it? And maybe if there's an easier route,

1111
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: well you can enjoy it now you don't have to wait.

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Speaker 2: I think you're also just talking about the importance of

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00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: human connection and like actually being around people who have

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00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 2: who help you see things that are possible that maybe

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00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 2: you weren't seeing. And it's like putting yourself in other

1116
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: people's paths so that you come in contact with those

1117
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 2: types of people. So of course, like putting yourself on

1118
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: a trip in Jordan would put you in the path

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00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 2: of people who were adventurous and willing to try different

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00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 2: medical treatments in different countries and something like, which is

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00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 2: all great, but I think for anyone it's like, just

1122
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: get out of your comfort zone, go outside your zip code,

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00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: go outside of you know, your immediate circle, because that's

1124
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 2: where it's really just seeing other people, you know, living

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00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: the life that they're leading and being inspired by that

1126
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: and like, oh that's possible for me. I feel like

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00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: I'm constantly getting to experience that so often just because

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Speaker 2: of the virtue of like the type of work that

1129
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 2: I do and like getting to talk with you and everything,

1130
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 2: and it's really powerful. Hopefully this show itself is like

1131
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 2: one of those small ways people sort of feel like

1132
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 2: they can start to think bigger, you know, and start

1133
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 2: to expect more in a different way. And like you said,

1134
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: going from we tell ourselves there's all these rules, but

1135
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: it's not like that at all, Like.

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00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: Most of them are stuff in posts rules and your

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00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: real self and plo.

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Speaker 3: Yes, like I can't.

1139
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: Do that, I gotta do this, do that.

1140
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: Yes, I told myself that okay, we'll tell yourself something different.

1141
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we get so locked up and so like, no,

1142
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: it has to be done this way. It's like does that,

1143
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: you know, but sometimes you need someone else who's doing

1144
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: it differently.

1145
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Speaker 2: To Thailand because I keep saying I can just do

1146
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: it and Rio can learn tie be fun for real. Well,

1147
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 2: welcome back, Tip and yeah that's the show. We will

1148
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 2: see y'all next week. Don't forget to check in for

1149
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 2: our b a Q and A on Fridays.

1150
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: And don't feel feel free to tweet me dm me

1151
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: maybe give me a different perspective, because I really do

1152
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: enjoy hearing from Brown a Bison folk. I'm just the budget.

1153
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: He's done all the all the platforms. So if you're

1154
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: just like girl, you was wrong. Girl, you want to

1155
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: tweet me, I'm awlad with that. I might black you. No,

1156
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 1: I won't block you, but no, but.

1157
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 3: For inviting more like inviting wrek.

1158
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: I know, because you know, because I'm always I'm always

1159
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: on a quest to like, how can I do and

1160
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: be a better person? Because ultimately I feel like that's

1161
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: what we're all called to do, is to like that

1162
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: ultimately you are here to be the best person that

1163
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 1: you are capable of being. And so I am committed

1164
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: to always to growth, always, you know, to acknowledging challenges

1165
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: and then growing and then hopefully showing up better and

1166
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: acknowledging some more, and then growing and showing up better.

1167
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: So to growing and giving yourself grace.

1168
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: Yes, growing and grace that champagne. So y'all, We love y'all.

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00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: If you don't, I mean, hello, this is a great episode.

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Speaker 1: If I do say so myself, and I do say

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00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: so myself, share with your friends, runabisonpodcast dot com to

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Speaker 1: not just this episode, but all the other episodes. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think we're a pretty amazing podcasts and the webbies agree, winners,

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Speaker 1: So share a share this, share on this episode or

1175
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Speaker 1: at prior episodes, and you know, put it in the

1176
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Speaker 1: group chat and you know, this may make a good

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Speaker 1: group chat conversation and let us know how that goes.

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Speaker 1: So love y'all until next week.

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Speaker 2: Bye, Hey, ba fan, We could not do this show

1180
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: without your support or the support of our team behind

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00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: the scenes. The Brown Emission podcast is produced by Cumulus

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Speaker 2: Podcast Network.

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00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 3: It's edited by.

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00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: The wonderful Imani Crosby and produced by Tanya Bustos. Dennis

1185
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: Stimplinsky is our in house tech guru, and I am

1186
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: Bandy Woodard Santos, your co host, and I will see

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Speaker 2: y'all next week