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Speaker 1: Tennesseeans for seventy six years. Welcome back to the Indiana
Speaker 1: Convention Center with Coach Dave McGinnis, Rhet Bryan, and Amy Wells.
Speaker 1: I'm Mike Keith. We are glad to have you for
Speaker 1: the Official Titans Podcast. Kind Of an interesting time because
Speaker 1: a lot of the media leaves at this point in
Speaker 1: the week. On Thursday, coach mac and then sort of
Speaker 1: the football takes over. People will wonder why does a
Speaker 1: lot of the media leave. It's because they can't go
Speaker 1: in and watch the workouts, and the workouts take center
Speaker 1: stage starting today. Absolutely. Today's the day that they start
Speaker 1: with the defensive line and the linebackers and then they
Speaker 1: will progressively go through, you know, until Monday, with the
Speaker 1: different positions. The first three days that we have been here,
Speaker 1: it has been all media because you've got the interviews
Speaker 1: at the platform, at the podium, you've got every team
Speaker 1: represented here on the floor. That is bringing people in
Speaker 1: to do a lot of different things. Titans Radio has
Speaker 1: beaten everybody by bringing in interviews and content, but now
Speaker 1: it's starting to get to the football part of it.
Speaker 1: On the floor. Ongoing has been with the players interviewing
Speaker 1: with teams both in the in the what we call
Speaker 1: the train station interviews. And also they're not at the
Speaker 1: train station anymore. They're on the consoon to all used
Speaker 1: to be, but they're on the concourse now, but they
Speaker 1: still call them the train station interviews. And then the
Speaker 1: formal interviews that gone over at theay at the Holidame.
Speaker 1: But the media is allowed into none of that. So
Speaker 1: the part that the media has total access to is
Speaker 1: winding up pretty quick. Players at the podiums. Ret Brian
Speaker 1: has been there for a lot of that when we
Speaker 1: have not taken his time to join us. The defensive
Speaker 1: linemen have spoken, they have. The linebackers have spoken. They
Speaker 1: have the defensive backs have spoken, yes, they have. To
Speaker 1: this point, anything or anybody jump out to you A
Speaker 1: couple of things as I look back at my notes here.
Speaker 1: Caleb Murphy a very interesting young man and one of
Speaker 1: the stories coming out of this combine. One of the
Speaker 1: three Division two players invited to the combine from Ferris State.
Speaker 1: He's the pass rusher. He's the pass rusher. He's the
Speaker 1: Ted Hendricks Award winner twenty five and a half sacks
Speaker 1: at Ferriss State last year. And now he's light. He's
Speaker 1: gonna measure in nearly six to five, about two fifteen.
Speaker 1: He needs to add some functional strength. But a really
Speaker 1: nice young man, Dylan Horton, Frog TCU. That's a good prospect.
Speaker 1: Ali Gay. This is a pass rush or from LSU
Speaker 1: who is from what is called the Smiling Coast of Gambia.
Speaker 1: Came here when he was a young fellow, like a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, the Samokawanus that we have a
Speaker 1: lot of those stories like that. His father came here
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven and until they were given
Speaker 1: asylum to leave, he didn't see his dad for four years.
Speaker 1: Has a very interesting story there. But he's a good
Speaker 1: prospect from LSU who has not only a lot to
Speaker 1: prove here this week and in a good edge rusher class,
Speaker 1: but has an interesting story in background. Will McDonald a
Speaker 1: fourth who if we have mentioned on the OTP a
Speaker 1: couple of times this week, who was at the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl edge rusher Iowa State. That's right, who is heading
Speaker 1: towards two hundred and fifty pounds playing wait Klijah Kancy
Speaker 1: I found interesting to speak to. He was the defensive
Speaker 1: lineman from pitt who is gonna get some comparisons because
Speaker 1: of his size too. And Aaron Donald roughly six feet
Speaker 1: to eighty that's correct, he's currently at two eighty. Syracuse
Speaker 1: cornerback Garrett Williams is interesting. He's a guy that has
Speaker 1: come off of an acl in the last two or
Speaker 1: three months and heard him telling some great stories. Perhaps
Speaker 1: the guy I think that has taken the podiums in
Speaker 1: these first three or four days is the pass rusher
Speaker 1: from Georgia, Nolan Smith. He was holding court and just
Speaker 1: was absolutely that great personality. And then Julius Brents, who
Speaker 1: we saw at the Senior Bowl, who's the cornerback from
Speaker 1: Kansas State of really long prospects. He six three. He's
Speaker 1: gotta be he's gonna have because he was a big,
Speaker 1: tall drink of water heading up to the podium. But
Speaker 1: perhaps the most impressive person who passes the eye test
Speaker 1: is Joey Porter Junior from Penn State. When you see
Speaker 1: the preliminary stuff that says he's six two one eight legit.
Speaker 1: He looks the part that looks like a first round
Speaker 1: draft pick cornerback who is a long He and Julius
Speaker 1: Sprince are probably two of the longer cornerbacks in this
Speaker 1: thing than in wingspanning those things. He's the he said today,
Speaker 1: he's the number one cornerback in this draft. Sounds a
Speaker 1: lot like his dad. You know the reason he said
Speaker 1: that's because he probably is. He may be, he may be,
Speaker 1: he's got he's got it, he's got a chance, he's
Speaker 1: got a chance to be. But he's definitely a first
Speaker 1: round pick, and he's somebody that the Titans have been
Speaker 1: mocked with at number eleven. May not be there at eleven,
Speaker 1: may already be gone. Certainly would be good value at
Speaker 1: eleven to get a corner of that with that size
Speaker 1: and the sort of ability and not surprisingly not scared
Speaker 1: to play the run, No, absolutely not. And then knowing,
Speaker 1: of course, knowing the bloodlines and having very close knowledge
Speaker 1: of his father during the years in the in the
Speaker 1: afc uh, you know this guy and you can tell
Speaker 1: that he you can kind of tell some of the
Speaker 1: some of these players that have grown up with a
Speaker 1: father that has not only been an NFL player, but
Speaker 1: as been an accomplished NFL player. If these if these
Speaker 1: guys show any type of affinity at all for the
Speaker 1: game from a young age, their dads start teaching them
Speaker 1: very very well. And so he's one of them. I
Speaker 1: like a corner with confidence though, a guy who he's
Speaker 1: the best guy on the field. I'll take that any day.
Speaker 1: It as big as this dude is, yeah, he can
Speaker 1: handle the physicality. He would not be afraid of contact
Speaker 1: at all. Let me ask you a question as we
Speaker 1: get ready to play our first interview, Dave McGinnis give
Speaker 1: us a quick explanation of who Cio Brocado was. Ceo Brocado.
Speaker 1: It started out my first reference with him was when
Speaker 1: he was a coaching He was coaching at the University
Speaker 1: of Texas at Arlington. He recruited me out of high
Speaker 1: school to come to UTA because someone that went to
Speaker 1: my high school went and played and one of his
Speaker 1: better players good Texas named Billy Ray Stewart. Well, Billy
Speaker 1: Ray played for CEO, and then CEO recruited me and
Speaker 1: I said, no, you know, I'm going to the Southwest
Speaker 1: Conference school. But you know, we had it. We had
Speaker 1: a connection and so as we as we moved forward.
Speaker 1: He got his first job with the Houston Oilers as
Speaker 1: a scout, and then CEO would come through the schools.
Speaker 1: CEO would always be the first scout, might come through
Speaker 1: the building and know all the secretary's names and have
Speaker 1: donuts for everybody, And all of a sudden, then when
Speaker 1: he when you know, I was always in when I
Speaker 1: was playing, I didn't know this, but he evaluated me.
Speaker 1: Then when I was a graduate assistant, I was in
Speaker 1: charge of the guys that would the pro scouts that
Speaker 1: would come in, and all of a sudden, he'd say, hey,
Speaker 1: you want to learn about what I'm looking for, sit
Speaker 1: down and watch this. And so anyway, he has taught
Speaker 1: so many He was an innovator in this in this
Speaker 1: league as a scout and in his career. We're lucky
Speaker 1: because we were around him. I coached, you know, on
Speaker 1: the Titans when he was so I've known him for
Speaker 1: a long time since my high school days. This guy
Speaker 1: was an innovator in the in the field of scouting,
Speaker 1: the three cone drill. Here his seal Racado is so
Speaker 1: well known. When CEO really got sick, and I will
Speaker 1: say this, he really got sick. Could not the first
Speaker 1: combine he could not be at he he always had
Speaker 1: the lead chair at the forty yard line. To time
Speaker 1: when he was not here, they put an empty chair
Speaker 1: at the forty yard line and everybody knew that was
Speaker 1: for CEO. Safe to say that he has the biggest tree,
Speaker 1: if you talk about like a coaching tree, he has
Speaker 1: the biggest scouting tree in NFL history. Very very fair
Speaker 1: with that, and even people that aren't on teams, scouts
Speaker 1: for teams, people that are now in the draft business
Speaker 1: and one of the better young ones going that you know,
Speaker 1: we sat We sat here with CEO. Yes, and I
Speaker 1: think you're completely right. The roots and the branches of
Speaker 1: his tree go very wide in this league. So that
Speaker 1: will explain the first part of our conversation with one
Speaker 1: of those great draft analysts who was CEO Brocado trained
Speaker 1: our visit with the Athletics, Dame Breuthler. Right now on
Speaker 1: the OTP Amy Wells, we are sitting across the table
Speaker 1: from two guys who were trained by CEO Bracada coach
Speaker 1: Dave McGinnis and Dane Brugler from the Athletic. You have
Speaker 1: great company right there with you, and trust me, and
Speaker 1: that is it is an absolute honor to be in
Speaker 1: that company because, I mean, learning from CEO was something
Speaker 1: that to this day still shapes how I watched football,
Speaker 1: and it's it's the foundation of u for me as
Speaker 1: an evaluator. So it's invaluable experience that you just can't replicate,
Speaker 1: you know, Dane. I go back when I was playing
Speaker 1: at TCU, CEO came through and was the one that
Speaker 1: scouted me with my group, and so I have known
Speaker 1: CEO since well, he even when I was getting ready
Speaker 1: to choose a school, when he was coaching at the
Speaker 1: University of Texas at Artis Arlington. He's a linebacker coach,
Speaker 1: and so he came. But anyway, watching your work through
Speaker 1: the years, you know, like I've done, and knowing CEO
Speaker 1: as well as I've known him. I think I took
Speaker 1: CEO to his last workout at TCU, you know when
Speaker 1: he was you know, when we were losing him. I mean,
Speaker 1: and it was just cel Brocado is and we were
Speaker 1: talking earlier. Ceale Brocado should be in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: should be should be fame. But watching your work, you
Speaker 1: can see CEO in it. Well I appreciate I mean
Speaker 1: that that's That's the highest compliment you could give me.
Speaker 1: If I didn't see it, I wouldn't tell you no.
Speaker 1: And I mean I've told the story before, but just um,
Speaker 1: it was the year that Andy Dalton was coming out
Speaker 1: and um going to TCU's Pro day four CEO, stopping
Speaker 1: in Arlington at his house on the way to go,
Speaker 1: and just going through every single okay you know, uh,
Speaker 1: Jeremy Curley and Andy Dalton and going through all these
Speaker 1: players and how do he look? How what'd he do this?
Speaker 1: And even then, even though he couldn't physically be there,
Speaker 1: the questions he was he was asking like him he
Speaker 1: mentally he was still sharp. He was still wanting to know, Okay,
Speaker 1: what was the stance, what was he what kind of
Speaker 1: routes was he running? Um? You know, Andy Dalton, how
Speaker 1: was the ball coming off his and um, I mean
Speaker 1: this is the the guy that created the three cone drill,
Speaker 1: you know, those created the way we evaluate football. So um,
Speaker 1: you know, just being I mean I only knew him
Speaker 1: or got a chance to learn from him for a
Speaker 1: couple of years, So it wasn't um, you know, extensive
Speaker 1: period of time, but it was, well it was I
Speaker 1: learned more from him than I did from you know,
Speaker 1: most people said I knew him my whole career, my
Speaker 1: whole career starting yet TCU. So anyway, see I was
Speaker 1: a special man. You've been to his house. How about
Speaker 1: all the stuff he had stacked, all the films and
Speaker 1: when you walk into his house. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: was like horders, right, and you had tunnels, right, you
Speaker 1: had to go through, and he had all kind of gear,
Speaker 1: you know, and there and then all all kind of tapes,
Speaker 1: all tapes of every type, just stacked everywhere. Special special
Speaker 1: dude in the car. Yeah, yeah, absolutely that that that
Speaker 1: baby blue color and you know, his his daughter going
Speaker 1: to the door, and his daughter, Uh, lets us in,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm just navigating through everything and just
Speaker 1: slip at her and she rolls her eyes, and you
Speaker 1: know she she grew up with that. You know, she
Speaker 1: knew her dad. And yeah, anyway, good stuff. We're gonna
Speaker 1: pick your brain about offensive line, okay, because the Titans
Speaker 1: have offensive line needs the most economical place to get
Speaker 1: at least some, if not all, of the offensive lineman
Speaker 1: that they need would be in this draft. A lot
Speaker 1: of what we're seeing right now is them at eleven
Speaker 1: taking a tackle do you see a match there for
Speaker 1: the Titans that you like best? Well, I think you
Speaker 1: look at the two tackles, and let's say Peter Scronsky
Speaker 1: is a guard for this conversation, and I love Peter
Speaker 1: Scronsky at Northwestern. I think he's the best offensive lineman
Speaker 1: in this draft. Because of the arm length, a lot
Speaker 1: of teams are going to move in the guard, and
Speaker 1: I don't think that's necessarily, you know, a bad thing.
Speaker 1: I think his best his highest ceiling at the NFL
Speaker 1: level could be inside a guard. I think he could
Speaker 1: be on a Zach Martin trajectory. He is that good.
Speaker 1: But the two tackles, Broderick Jones from Georgia, Paris Johnson
Speaker 1: from Ohio State. Uh, both these guys are future NFL starters.
Speaker 1: And Roderick Jones has probably the highest ceiling. He's just
Speaker 1: he's such an athletic player. Um, still learning in ways,
Speaker 1: but he's so athletic. And then Paris Johnson moving over
Speaker 1: from right guard to left tackle this year, he just
Speaker 1: he's a natural left tackle. Um. You know I think
Speaker 1: that you know, you don't see a lot of negative
Speaker 1: reps on his tape when you when you study him,
Speaker 1: give me a thumbnail of Paris Johnson if you would please,
Speaker 1: he looks the part. I mean that's how you want
Speaker 1: your left tackle to look. Um. I don't know that
Speaker 1: he's necessarily an elite mover, but well more than good enough,
Speaker 1: I mean above average with the way he moves. Um,
Speaker 1: he can scoop out blocks. Um for a taller guy.
Speaker 1: Scouts speak really highly about his uh intangibles, his intelligence. Um,
Speaker 1: he's a really thoughtful guy. Um. You know he's an
Speaker 1: All American this season for a reason with the way
Speaker 1: he played protecting C. J. Stroud's blindside. And um, you
Speaker 1: know that it's it's hard to hunt for apps on
Speaker 1: film where he was beat You know, you just don't
Speaker 1: see a lot of them. Maybe you watch the national
Speaker 1: chant or the semifinal game of the Playoff. A Georgia
Speaker 1: player would get him or here or there, but it
Speaker 1: was rare for a team for a player just to
Speaker 1: beat him straight up off the edge. Breakdown. Broderick Jones
Speaker 1: the same way if you would play a super athlete
Speaker 1: for that size, and you know, and look in the
Speaker 1: offseason something he get down to two eighty five at
Speaker 1: times because he's just a leaner athlete. But then he
Speaker 1: put it back on. He's up to three fifteen. You know,
Speaker 1: you watch him shoot baskets. He looks like a natural
Speaker 1: basketball player with the way he moves out there. There
Speaker 1: are times where you know he needs to get the
Speaker 1: hands and the feet on the same page and technically
Speaker 1: not where you want, but the ceiling where he could
Speaker 1: be down the road. That gets you excited. So he's
Speaker 1: a good player now, but you draft him in the
Speaker 1: top fifteen because he could be a great player down
Speaker 1: the road. I want to talk about Peter Scronsky again
Speaker 1: a little bit because we see so many guys saying
Speaker 1: I'm not a guard, I'm a tackle, and a lot
Speaker 1: of that is because of the financial implication a tackle
Speaker 1: can become in the National Football League. Is there anything
Speaker 1: that he could do in the combine, at a pro day,
Speaker 1: throughout this process to show teams that he's more of
Speaker 1: a tackle or is this truly going to come down
Speaker 1: to just body type and measurements and things like that.
Speaker 1: That's what will come down too. And I think if
Speaker 1: I'm Peter Scronsky, I'm just gonna say, hey, watch my tape.
Speaker 1: I was a three year starter at left tackle, and uh,
Speaker 1: I dominated you know, Rashawn Slater opted out of that
Speaker 1: twenty twenty season for Northwestern. You know what's Northwestern are
Speaker 1: gonna do at left tackle if they got this true
Speaker 1: freshman coming in Peter Scronsky, who has the bloodlines. His
Speaker 1: grandfather played for Vince Lombardi and the Packers when in
Speaker 1: those first two Super bowls. Um, you know he was,
Speaker 1: he was really groomed for this, uh, this opportunity. The
Speaker 1: body type is he looks more like a guard, there's
Speaker 1: no way around that. But I do hope he gets
Speaker 1: the chance to stay outside a tackle because the processing,
Speaker 1: the feet h and then just how detailed he is,
Speaker 1: how how technically sound he is. That that's uh, I
Speaker 1: think that give him a chance to stay at tackle.
Speaker 1: If if a team get that opportunity, can we can
Speaker 1: we do the same thing with some interior guys because
Speaker 1: I've you know, the Titans need both. Yep. I mean
Speaker 1: that's just that's just where they are. Osire's Torrents. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You want a power guy, you know, a mall or
Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna when he gets his hands on you,
Speaker 1: it's over. And his his hands are I mean they're
Speaker 1: over eleven inches, they're huge, huge, myths and so, um,
Speaker 1: you know he's I really respect him because he was
Speaker 1: highly thought of at Louisiana. After his junior year. He
Speaker 1: didn't have to transfer. No, he could have stayed at
Speaker 1: Louisiana and he would have been a top forty pick.
Speaker 1: He wanted to challenge himself. He said, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: to the SEC. I'm gonna face SEC defensive lineman week
Speaker 1: in week out. And uh he did, and he dominated.
Speaker 1: He played really well, didn't give up a sac this year. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, the Florida offense was a little up and down,
Speaker 1: but not right guard. Right guard. You knew what you
Speaker 1: were getting every single day. And so if you if
Speaker 1: you were looking for a you know, a really mobile
Speaker 1: range player, he's maybe he's not the guy, but he's
Speaker 1: more than athletic enough to do, you know, execute the
Speaker 1: blocks that NFL offenses needs you to execute. So to me,
Speaker 1: he's Osiris Torrance the top If Peter Scronsky is a tackle,
Speaker 1: then Osiris Torrence is the top guard this year. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's do this. Let's go to the other spectrum of it.
Speaker 1: Now we're talking about a guy that moved from Louisiana
Speaker 1: to the SEC let's talk about a smaller school guy
Speaker 1: that Cody Mauk. Another guy who's just he's fun, fun
Speaker 1: to watch and you know, talk about his backstory. He
Speaker 1: was a walk on tight end at North North Dakota State. UM.
Speaker 1: You know, you look at his background growing up on
Speaker 1: a farm, and you know he's he's got it. Comes
Speaker 1: from a big family and you know that that country
Speaker 1: strong you talk about. I mean, that's that's what he is.
Speaker 1: Played smaller football in high school, so he did a
Speaker 1: little bit of everything. But he goes to North Dakota State,
Speaker 1: puts on the weight, uh, you know, adds something like
Speaker 1: seventy pounds UM, and he becomes a left tackle and
Speaker 1: another guy that position will be interesting how teams look
Speaker 1: at him because he's a little light in the the
Speaker 1: lower body, doesn't have maybe the sand that you look
Speaker 1: forward down below. But you know, he's really quick, he's
Speaker 1: he's mean, loves to play the game, and so I
Speaker 1: he might have the most versatility of this group. You know,
Speaker 1: we don't play him center, guard, tackle. I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if four years from now we look back and
Speaker 1: he's the best center from this class. He has that
Speaker 1: type of ability. So yeah, Cody mock Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: the mentality is there, the ability is there. He's going
Speaker 1: to be a good player, and I think he's well deserving.
Speaker 1: I'm a top forty pick. As we've mentioned, the Titans
Speaker 1: have multiple needs on the offensive line. It's not just
Speaker 1: one role to fill. There are a couple different places
Speaker 1: where they could use a little bit of help. Do
Speaker 1: you think it is conceivable that the Titans are drafting
Speaker 1: multiple offensive linemen for the future of this team in
Speaker 1: one draft? There's no question, absolutely, And you know I
Speaker 1: think that we could, you know, first two rounds. Why not?
Speaker 1: You know, the goal of the draft is to build
Speaker 1: your team, make it better who you know, and you
Speaker 1: can make the argument that there will be no greater
Speaker 1: impact on this roster than building in the unoffensive line,
Speaker 1: so that I wouldn't be surprising at off we see
Speaker 1: them double dip offensive line inside outside, you know, first round,
Speaker 1: second round, third round. That that's I think that's definitely
Speaker 1: a possibility. And you don't predetermine that going into the draft.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that you see how the board
Speaker 1: falls to you, but this is a I don't I
Speaker 1: don't I wouldn't call it a strong offensive line group.
Speaker 1: But there's definitely good players, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's I wouldn't call it deep at those positions. So
Speaker 1: if you have one that's there for you, and say
Speaker 1: say they go offensive tackle in the first round, say
Speaker 1: in the second round, maybe they're targeting like a playmaker,
Speaker 1: say they want to get a wide receiver or someone
Speaker 1: like that. But you know what, there's ay a really
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman they have graded pretty highly, is there
Speaker 1: for him. It be is hard to say no to
Speaker 1: that because you have to when the when an offensive
Speaker 1: lineman's there, and especially in this draft, you got to pounce.
Speaker 1: And I think the Titans could absolutely do. Though. Dane
Speaker 1: Brugler from the Athletic I know he's a tight end,
Speaker 1: but he has OH line size. How do you characterized
Speaker 1: Darnell Washington from Georgia unicorn Ian? You just not many
Speaker 1: guys that I tell you. He is the leanest two
Speaker 1: hundred eighty pounds I've ever seen. I've been I look
Speaker 1: at body dice for a living, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: I've never seen a body type quite like him. He's
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the receiving production that you ideally want
Speaker 1: at the college level, but The reason he didn't is
Speaker 1: because he was too valuable as a blocker. He was
Speaker 1: a sixth offensive lineman for that Georgia offense. And you know,
Speaker 1: with Brock Bowers on that team at Georgio, you know,
Speaker 1: why are you going to force feed Darnell Washington more
Speaker 1: and more targets when the value he brings on the
Speaker 1: offensive line as an inline player is so great that
Speaker 1: you want to keep him there. So now what is
Speaker 1: he in the NFL? Is that the same role as
Speaker 1: you're going to be a true in line y tight end? Probably,
Speaker 1: And I think that there is some untapped potential for
Speaker 1: him as a pass catcher because when he is targeted,
Speaker 1: he makes things happen. He has such I mean's so
Speaker 1: humongous that he has a huge catching radius. Uh, you
Speaker 1: love the body control. Um. You know he's you know
Speaker 1: raw in some areas with his routes, but that's to
Speaker 1: be expected from a young player. So he is he
Speaker 1: as fascinating as a prospect, and it'll be really interesting
Speaker 1: with this tight end group. It's so deep at the
Speaker 1: top where we have four or five guys that belong
Speaker 1: in the top fifty picks, and so where Darnell Washington
Speaker 1: fits in that group will be really interesting. Let's go
Speaker 1: back to the interior a minute, because, as you said,
Speaker 1: and the Titans need to build this core group. Back
Speaker 1: up Steve a La. I thought Steve really helped himself
Speaker 1: this year as a senior and then at the Senior Bowl. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know he played a lot of center, and then
Speaker 1: he moved on the left art this year. Um, you
Speaker 1: know remind me a lot of Um. You know, Jonah
Speaker 1: Jackson when he's coming out of Ohio State went to
Speaker 1: the Lions. I think he's a third round pick and
Speaker 1: he's been a really solid starter for them. I think
Speaker 1: a Vela could be that type of guy. I love.
Speaker 1: I love the way he sees things. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: just talking to him, the way that you know that
Speaker 1: he sees the field. Uh, he's a really smart guy.
Speaker 1: You can you can tell that the just the way
Speaker 1: the dots connect for him. Uh. He understands football geometry,
Speaker 1: which we know is so important in the trenches when
Speaker 1: you have to execute, you know your blocks and your fits.
Speaker 1: So um, you know, I'm I'm a big fan of
Speaker 1: a Villa. I think he's he's another guard O Cyrus, Torrence,
Speaker 1: Cody Mack, Steve a villa. All three of those guys
Speaker 1: belong somewhere in those top fifty top sixty picks. Well,
Speaker 1: we may as well just round it out then and
Speaker 1: talk about John Michael Schmidt's the center from Minnesota. And
Speaker 1: you know, actually I like John Michael Schmitts. Um, Joe
Speaker 1: Tipman from Wisconsin's actually my top center. Uh in this group.
Speaker 1: Who is an underclassman. Uh. He's a little taller than
Speaker 1: most centers, you know, six five and a half six six,
Speaker 1: But talk about an athlete, a guy that is also
Speaker 1: has that strength, I mean, what you would expect from
Speaker 1: a Wisconsin offensive lineman. Um, but he could really move
Speaker 1: I think he'll show that this week at the Combine.
Speaker 1: He should test well. He should, you know, with the
Speaker 1: movement skills, really show off what he can do. He's
Speaker 1: a smart guy. Um. So I think Joe Tipman for
Speaker 1: me is the top center this year, but John Michael
Speaker 1: Schmitz is right behind him. I thought he if you
Speaker 1: would have came out last year, he would have been
Speaker 1: a top one hundred pick. Decided to go back for
Speaker 1: a sixth year at Minnesota and had a pretty good year.
Speaker 1: So he's I don't I don't know that I buy
Speaker 1: the first round, but I think somewhere on day two
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a really solid pick plug in play center. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, he's just he's a He's a rock solid
Speaker 1: player to me talking about these guys, and I'm glad,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought Tipman up because I've got these
Speaker 1: are just watching take These are the five guys that
Speaker 1: I had here. And the only thing I questioned about
Speaker 1: Tipman as as a center was the height. Yep. But
Speaker 1: but he plays with great kneed man he does, and
Speaker 1: he never gets over extended. So I mean, you can't
Speaker 1: say one size fits all is right completely out of
Speaker 1: it right. Well, and his movements, I think that's you know,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna run an offense where you're gonna ask
Speaker 1: your center to pool and get on the move, and
Speaker 1: that's where he really factors in. That's where his he
Speaker 1: separates himself. So but I know, I think you're exactly right.
Speaker 1: The way that he can bend the leverage points. You
Speaker 1: know he understands that. Um. But I also think he
Speaker 1: gives you a little bit of versatility where if you
Speaker 1: want to play him a guard, you want maybe even
Speaker 1: a tackle. I think you know, he has that has
Speaker 1: that ability. He played tackle in UH in high school,
Speaker 1: and so just happened when he went to Wisconsin. They
Speaker 1: you know Wisconsin, they cross train, you know. They they
Speaker 1: want their guards to play centers and their centers to
Speaker 1: play tackle, and you know they because they want to
Speaker 1: get the best five on the field. And it just
Speaker 1: happened that it worked out where Tittman was a center.
Speaker 1: And but I think there is positional versatility there with him,
Speaker 1: which I don't know that you can necessarily say with
Speaker 1: a guy like Osiris torrants So I like quite a bit.
Speaker 1: But he's a guard right exactly exactly, and so and
Speaker 1: it was good to see Osirius Torrens at the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl play left guard because he was primarily a right guard. Um,
Speaker 1: so it was good to see him play on the
Speaker 1: left side. But yeah, he's a guard where um and
Speaker 1: and a Vila maybe could play center. He's got center experience.
Speaker 1: But tipman, I think gives you a little more position
Speaker 1: flex Can you feel CEO sitting right here? Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's uh learning from from him some of the things
Speaker 1: that you know, just wow, I never thought of that,
Speaker 1: or I never and I never thought to look at Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the joint flexibility or you know, like when
Speaker 1: I was first getting started out. I mean he laid
Speaker 1: the groundwork for things that my uneducated eyes weren't looking
Speaker 1: for that you know now would just changed forever. How
Speaker 1: I how I watch the game? Yeah, talk to me
Speaker 1: about an offensive lineman that we haven't discussed so far
Speaker 1: who helped himself a lot at the Reese's Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: He gotta mention Dwan Jones, the Ohio State Mammoth Ray tackle. Um,
Speaker 1: and not just a Senior Bowl, but his entire senior year. Um.
Speaker 1: This is a player who's from here and here in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: UM basketball player. You know, he thought he'd be in
Speaker 1: the NBA one day, and I think it wasn't until
Speaker 1: his junior year, senior year at Ohio State where he
Speaker 1: finally you know, he's in his mind. He convinced himself
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm I'm a football player through
Speaker 1: and through and so uh, you know, I think once
Speaker 1: that clicked on for him. You saw it on the
Speaker 1: field with the movements, the way he can, uh just
Speaker 1: dominate guys. And when you're built like that, where you're
Speaker 1: six to eight and you've got these thirty six inch arms.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously you've gotten a little bit of an advantage,
Speaker 1: but you might also might not be the most nimble mover.
Speaker 1: But he's able to compensate because of his body control
Speaker 1: and his improved balance this year. So Dwan Jones, with
Speaker 1: the way he played this year as a senior at
Speaker 1: right tackle and then at the Senior Bowl, surely helped himself.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about somebody else that I thought and we
Speaker 1: can all discuss this helped himself at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: It's Darnell right. Oh yeah, see ye, no, no, quite
Speaker 1: another guy his You watch his junior tape and you know,
Speaker 1: like this guy's a five star, like yeah, then you
Speaker 1: watch his twenty twenty two stuff and you're blown away.
Speaker 1: I mean he just because he moved yeah well yeah, right,
Speaker 1: he was left tackle as a junior, moved a right
Speaker 1: tackle for a senior year. You watch him against Alabama
Speaker 1: and Willie Anderson. You watch him again, and he's he's
Speaker 1: shutting these guys down, and I think it's just, you know,
Speaker 1: he showed a better understanding of the biomechanics of his body,
Speaker 1: how to sit down, stop, you know, really halt bull rushers.
Speaker 1: You let his length work for him. So yeah, Darnell Wright,
Speaker 1: no question, his senior year and then the way he
Speaker 1: performed the Senior Bowl certainly a riser. He's put himself
Speaker 1: in that first round discussion. All right, So let me
Speaker 1: ask you this as we wind down. If the Titans
Speaker 1: take an offensive leman in the first round, let's just say,
Speaker 1: and then they're looking for a guy in day three
Speaker 1: who might be a starter. Who's somebody like that that
Speaker 1: you may find and say, oh wow, this guy can
Speaker 1: really play and can help us right away. Yeah. Well, obviously,
Speaker 1: if you know, if a guy's fall into the Day
Speaker 1: three there's probably a reason for that. Um, but you know,
Speaker 1: I think that you know, we can you can find
Speaker 1: value there. Trying to think the Michigan Center olu. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he's a guy that I don't know that
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a starter, but someone that you can
Speaker 1: come in and he's gonna help your offensive line. Room. Um,
Speaker 1: you know he's very smart technically sound. Um, I do
Speaker 1: question just you know the power and that's why we're
Speaker 1: talking about him as a day three pick. But uh,
Speaker 1: you know he could be there in that mix. Um,
Speaker 1: who do you got in day three? That you're Daniels
Speaker 1: from Utah. The versatility with him, I think that's you
Speaker 1: know he's to me is that's kind of the dude. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and I think you talk to the Utah coaches, they'll
Speaker 1: tell you five position versatility. Uh, you know you want
Speaker 1: to play a tackle guard? He can do that. So no,
Speaker 1: that that's a that's a great call. Um. You know
Speaker 1: Brandon Daniels, we didn't get a chance to him with
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Um, but I think he should show
Speaker 1: well here like him best at uh. And I think
Speaker 1: he played tackle, but I think he can play guard
Speaker 1: too in the NFL, so that position flexes. Why third
Speaker 1: fourth round? Yeah, he's definitely got to keep on the radar.
Speaker 1: McClendon Curtis from Chattanooga. Yeah, I'm eager to see how
Speaker 1: he moves out here, because that's that's a that's a
Speaker 1: big dude. Uh, with the way he moves, natural power, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, how how does he move compared to these
Speaker 1: other guys. So he's gonna need some time, I think,
Speaker 1: you know not, I don't think he's plugging play. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's a guy that's gonna just step in
Speaker 1: and be able to handle NFL pass rushers. But you
Speaker 1: give him some time, you give you know he'd be
Speaker 1: the perfect guy to develop. And the price tag on
Speaker 1: him is probably you know, third fourth round. So um,
Speaker 1: but I think you have to be realistic when you
Speaker 1: know how long before he gets on the field. So um.
Speaker 1: But you know, he's a good name to know, especially
Speaker 1: with his story and the way he's come. You know
Speaker 1: another basketball guy who you know kindly finally said okay, ye,
Speaker 1: I'm a football player and is really bought in. Another
Speaker 1: guy kind of liked and a kid just kept watching
Speaker 1: And the more I watched the Moorrow I've liked him
Speaker 1: is Jalen Duncan from Maryland. Yeah, you know, and he
Speaker 1: moves really well. Uh that's I think the physical tools
Speaker 1: are what you really like. Um. I'm just I wonder
Speaker 1: if he might be better inside a guard because you know,
Speaker 1: he's not the longest player the way he moves, but
Speaker 1: I'd like him inside a guard where he put him
Speaker 1: in his zone blocking scheme, let him let him kind
Speaker 1: of show off, what what separates him? I think he's
Speaker 1: a player that My biggest worry with him. Watching his
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two tape, his worst games were against the
Speaker 1: best opponent Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State. That worries me
Speaker 1: with him where you know, that's where he struggled. But
Speaker 1: I think you know, if you're looking third, fourth round,
Speaker 1: you know that's the you want to bet on a
Speaker 1: guy with those types of physical traits. How long could
Speaker 1: you two just sit in a dark room and watch
Speaker 1: tape and just go back and forth. Oh, there's there's
Speaker 1: nothing better. I mean, that's as well as I said,
Speaker 1: we can feel CEO right here. See I was in
Speaker 1: many a lot of draft rooms with the CEO during
Speaker 1: my coaching career, you know. And I mean and then
Speaker 1: on the road, even when I was coaching different places,
Speaker 1: you know, we would sit and talk. The great thing
Speaker 1: about CEO Pracado was he made you justify your thoughts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he made you justify your thoughts. And he would and
Speaker 1: he would, you know. And when we were working on
Speaker 1: with the same team, there were times when you know,
Speaker 1: as in readings in draft rooms. In draft rooms, you
Speaker 1: can't read, you can't talk about a player unless you've
Speaker 1: written a report, and you can't write a report unless
Speaker 1: you've done five tapes. And then you also have to
Speaker 1: have points within the tape where you could prove what
Speaker 1: you're saying. And many of times after we'd break he'd say, hey,
Speaker 1: come down here, show me what all right, let me
Speaker 1: ask you both this question. Jalen Carter, defensive tackle Georgia,
Speaker 1: has been charged with reckless driving leaving the scene of
Speaker 1: an accident, pretty serious thing, in a fatal crash that
Speaker 1: he was not specifically involved in, but he was there. Apparently,
Speaker 1: you first Dane and then you coach. How much does
Speaker 1: this affect his draft stock? You know, it's a lot
Speaker 1: has been made of you know, quote unquote character character
Speaker 1: concerns with him, and you know, I've talked about scouts
Speaker 1: about it, and you know, he's it's the same. He's
Speaker 1: a young guy, you know he there are certain times
Speaker 1: where Kirby had to write him a little bit sure,
Speaker 1: but I think you could say that about um, you know,
Speaker 1: most of the younger players in this draft that are
Speaker 1: twenty years old, twenty one years old. Now, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously this is a little bit different situation. We're talking
Speaker 1: about away from the field, away from the football facility
Speaker 1: that uh, you know is going to make teams maybe
Speaker 1: you know, question the decision making. And this is where
Speaker 1: you just have to do your homework and find out
Speaker 1: more about the player and more about the person and
Speaker 1: understand is this uh you know, get more details and
Speaker 1: so you know it's it does. Cloud thinks there's no doubt,
Speaker 1: but um, you know, I think I don't think it's
Speaker 1: gonna make teams say, oh, well, we're not gonna draft him.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna make him dig harder and get more
Speaker 1: information just to find out, Okay, if we draft you,
Speaker 1: because he's gonna go somewhere in the top five picks.
Speaker 1: If we're gonna drafting the top five, can we trust you?
Speaker 1: Are you a guy that we're gonna worry about when
Speaker 1: you leave the facility. They just need to be comfortable
Speaker 1: with the answers they get during the interview process. And
Speaker 1: that's why for Jalen Carter, this week and the rest
Speaker 1: of the draft process is gonna be so big because
Speaker 1: it just comes down to the interviews and convincing teams,
Speaker 1: just selling himself and say yeah, I'm someone you can
Speaker 1: rely on, and so an incident like this is gonna
Speaker 1: make them question that. But he's gonna have every opportunity
Speaker 1: to be in front of teams and really put his
Speaker 1: best foot fall. That's that's the exact correct answer, because
Speaker 1: you want to find out how he represents himself, and
Speaker 1: you're going to question him and ask him explain this,
Speaker 1: explain this, and then try to figure out how honest
Speaker 1: he is with you. That's that's what will happen here.
Speaker 1: That will happen here because as Mike has said, this
Speaker 1: has just come out, so's it'll be a topic. It
Speaker 1: will be a topic within his evaluation. Kane Brugler, glad
Speaker 1: you're feeling better. Enjoy reading all your stuff in the athletic.
Speaker 1: It's so great, and we certainly take pride in you
Speaker 1: because you're sort of a relative with your Ceol Brocado experience,
Speaker 1: knowing what he means to our organization and to the
Speaker 1: entire NFL. So thank you so much for your time anytime.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad it really worked out. You and dadon
Speaker 1: Brugler had a very good rapport. Coach Mac Well, what
Speaker 1: I was saying, you could feel CEO right there, and
Speaker 1: and Ceo, look, I've known him all my life and
Speaker 1: then when I started working professionally with him, you know,
Speaker 1: he would come through. And then I mean in the
Speaker 1: draft room I've had you know, arguments with Seal Bricado
Speaker 1: about players, and he would make you justify your picks.
Speaker 1: Justify your pick to me, and if you see it differently,
Speaker 1: just just a fight to me. He made me a
Speaker 1: much better scout. There's two guys that have influenced my
Speaker 1: draft analysis ability over all these years, Cial Bricado and
Speaker 1: Bill Tobin. I mean, because those two guys knew how
Speaker 1: to do it. Bill Tobin built the Bears, the great
Speaker 1: you know, the great, the great Bears, Cial Bricado. But
Speaker 1: when you went to a workout across the league, across
Speaker 1: the collegiate landscape, after this is over, a school visit
Speaker 1: and CEO showed up, everybody there backed away. And however,
Speaker 1: CEO wants to run this school visit. That's the way
Speaker 1: we're going to run it. Great man, great man. And
Speaker 1: you were very familiar with him, Oh yes, I mean
Speaker 1: right there in that building, and you know we miss him.
Speaker 1: But very important to this league, all right. So how
Speaker 1: would you describe our next guest? Cynthia Freeland? Way smarter
Speaker 1: than me, That's why you would start. That's probably where
Speaker 1: I would start. She is is so much fun to
Speaker 1: watch on television. She's and I feel like She's everywhere
Speaker 1: throughout NFL Network. They've got her on every program, it
Speaker 1: feels like. But she is someone who in the last
Speaker 1: couple of years has really come on to the scene
Speaker 1: and is able to explain some of the most complicated
Speaker 1: topics in a way that makes them incredibly easy to understand,
Speaker 1: especially if you're not a numbers person. Mike Keith, you're
Speaker 1: a numbers person, so you guys really get along very well.
Speaker 1: Cynthia Freeland and the things that she's able to do
Speaker 1: with math and with numbers, and with analytics and with
Speaker 1: sports betting and with all of these different things. I mean,
Speaker 1: sports is a very mathematical business. She is able to
Speaker 1: explain it in a way that's a entertaining, b is
Speaker 1: easy to understand, and I just really like her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's pretty great on NFL Network. She's the numbers lady.
Speaker 1: Is that the way we would put it. The analytics
Speaker 1: she is the numbers lady, and she is very good
Speaker 1: at what she does. I was dying to have Coach
Speaker 1: Mac visit with Cynthia Freeland and it was great. It
Speaker 1: was great. You immediately had a bond with her. Coach
Speaker 1: I was very impressed. I met her again this morning.
Speaker 1: You met her again this morning? Yeah, I mean didn't
Speaker 1: you just run into her again? I met once? No, No,
Speaker 1: I mean she's not forgetting coach mac oh, but we had.
Speaker 1: I mean she's brilliant. She is brilliant, but she's also
Speaker 1: very very and Amy put it very very well. She
Speaker 1: can explain things that are extremely extremely detailed and complicated
Speaker 1: maybe from the jump. I mean, she's brilliant. I'm so impressed,
Speaker 1: so impressed with Ran Carthon and Chad Brinker in the building. Now,
Speaker 1: some things are changing about the Titans and analytics and
Speaker 1: John Robinson had embraced them a good bit more later
Speaker 1: in his tenure and so that's been ramping up for
Speaker 1: some time and will continue to ramp up. And that
Speaker 1: makes this visit with Cynthia Freeland I think even more
Speaker 1: top of mind. And it's just great to visit with
Speaker 1: her anyway. Centthia Freeland from NFL Network on the o
Speaker 1: TP Centthia Freeland, NFL Network Numbers Guru sounds better with
Speaker 1: the southern accent. Doesn't do it again? Thank you, Yes,
Speaker 1: NFL Network Numbers. I need that on my like, can
Speaker 1: you be my voicemail my absolute Yeah, a hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Can do that. Thanks for joining us, Thank you for
Speaker 1: having me, Thank you for she met us last year
Speaker 1: and she's actually come back where we're very surprised. Yes,
Speaker 1: thank goodness. All right, So I was watching you the
Speaker 1: other night. I'm thinking, yeah, you're a Cynthia, but you
Speaker 1: could be a SINDI. I was a Cindy for like
Speaker 1: the first eighteen years of my life, okay. And then
Speaker 1: I went to Boston College and there and I was
Speaker 1: I'm from I'm from East Lansingers, right, And I went
Speaker 1: to BC and that was in these large you know,
Speaker 1: everyone wants to be a doctor a freshman year, so
Speaker 1: here like bio one on one or whatever. And I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to raise my hand with a hundred people
Speaker 1: like actually it's Cindy because I was too scared. So
Speaker 1: now are you are? Are you still Cindy to some people?
Speaker 1: To some people, yeah, yeah, family, Yeah, mostly I would
Speaker 1: say a lot of sin, like okay, quickly sin, you know,
Speaker 1: like like it's yeah, you know, it goes by the way. Well,
Speaker 1: now that we've got that important thing out, we've just
Speaker 1: hired Ran Carthon as the general manager. Have you his personality?
Speaker 1: Great love love, Yeah, he's fantastic. All right, So he
Speaker 1: has talked a lot about analytics, and he's just hired
Speaker 1: Chad Brinker from the Green Bay Packers assistant GM who
Speaker 1: has his own programs in analytics. For the listeners of
Speaker 1: the OTP, could you give us an example of what
Speaker 1: a football analytic is. Okay, so here's here's I'm gonna
Speaker 1: use it this again to sound nuts, but we'll get
Speaker 1: back to football. Okay. You know when you're like in
Speaker 1: a different city and you you're like, I gotta go
Speaker 1: to dinner in Indianapolis and this my GPS and I
Speaker 1: push in ways or and it gives you options, right,
Speaker 1: It gives you one with a toll road, it gives
Speaker 1: you one with maybe two minutes longer but no toll role.
Speaker 1: And then it gives you the one where you don't
Speaker 1: have to make that like haywire or left turn this
Speaker 1: little scary so you get three different options. All it's
Speaker 1: doing is giving you options, and you still have to
Speaker 1: choose as a human being. And by the way, it
Speaker 1: can't sometimes it doesn't know there's an accident along what
Speaker 1: right it is hasn't updated yet, So really, what what
Speaker 1: what is going on in football analytics? And the word
Speaker 1: the A word is overused. I don't know what it
Speaker 1: means anymore, and I have a degree in it. So
Speaker 1: the reality is is what you're doing is trying to
Speaker 1: increase your decision making by just a little percent. Remember
Speaker 1: you have what seventy plays in a game. If you're
Speaker 1: getting ten percent better, how many times has something come
Speaker 1: down to seven plays in a game? A lot? Like
Speaker 1: every week? So what you're doing is you are taking
Speaker 1: All you're doing is you're organizing your neutral brain. So
Speaker 1: right now, we're pretty neutral, right, Like, okay, you know
Speaker 1: it's like it's not third and seventeen and your quarterback
Speaker 1: didn't just get sacked three times in a row and
Speaker 1: you have to throw the darn football like you're not.
Speaker 1: There's no your amygdala's all. We're chill, no fight or flight,
Speaker 1: right So you you can write out what you would
Speaker 1: do in these chill situations right now, and you can
Speaker 1: go through with your team. Hey, this is our prep,
Speaker 1: this is how we're doing. That's the little map that
Speaker 1: you do. So when you're in the it's third and
Speaker 1: seventeen and you dial up your thing, you're gonna make
Speaker 1: just a tiny bit quality better decision, a tiny bit beat.
Speaker 1: So you do it about plays or about players. It's
Speaker 1: just a strategy beforehand that you that in the heat
Speaker 1: of the moment, you know what you would you Basically,
Speaker 1: you're saying to myself, this is what I would do
Speaker 1: if I was neutral, and you're giving yourself that playbook
Speaker 1: for later. It's not it's not prescriptive. It doesn't say
Speaker 1: this has You're not a robot, right, You're what you're
Speaker 1: doing is you're making just a slightly better, slightly better decision.
Speaker 1: How do you use it with players? So with players,
Speaker 1: you say the goal of analytics is to get It's like, look,
Speaker 1: we all know who the good players are, and we
Speaker 1: all know who the bad players are. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of people who are average in between. That's the law
Speaker 1: of averages. And what you really want to do is
Speaker 1: you want to find those players that are kind of
Speaker 1: in the middle. But in my system, oh they're better
Speaker 1: than in the middle. Right, So I find my kind
Speaker 1: of guy. What does that mean? I need a guy.
Speaker 1: Some teams don't play with a fullback, other teams do.
Speaker 1: If you use that, some teams use heavier sets, so
Speaker 1: you need a different type of tight end. This is
Speaker 1: a really good strong tight end class. But some of
Speaker 1: them are different. Some of them are more pass catchers
Speaker 1: and others are blockers. Not everyone's kind of everything. Right,
Speaker 1: So you have to say, I need you to do this,
Speaker 1: and in my system, your skill set is better than
Speaker 1: in another system a team. If I'm playing for the Titans,
Speaker 1: it's a totally different look than the Kansas City Chiefs,
Speaker 1: totally different strategy. So you need to your my you
Speaker 1: need to fit my system. I need to identify the
Speaker 1: trades and a player that fit my system. So when
Speaker 1: we're talking about analytics, we are not talking about some
Speaker 1: nebulous No, it's not black strategy whatever. This is an
Speaker 1: organization of information. It's just or and it's organizing your
Speaker 1: own information. Okay, Right, Like I'm sitting next to a
Speaker 1: coach right here, Coach Matt, what is okay other than
Speaker 1: kneel down victory formation? Sir, what's your favorite play in football?
Speaker 1: It depends on the situation. I mean it seriously does
Speaker 1: and it depends on the situation. Yeah, and here's what
Speaker 1: I want. Here's what The things that you do are fascinating.
Speaker 1: And I've been doing this for a long time. I
Speaker 1: don't understand the resistance it's you know what it is
Speaker 1: because here, where does that come from. There's a couple
Speaker 1: of things, there's a lot, there's there's a lot of
Speaker 1: BS analytics people because it's really we all get we
Speaker 1: get frustrate. Look, look, every every human being gets frustrated
Speaker 1: when like you're not listened to or not hurt. And
Speaker 1: by the way, it's not new analytics. It's what you
Speaker 1: need to have is and often a lot of people
Speaker 1: who are Matthey like me, were not always extroverts or
Speaker 1: the best at like I'm an introvert that has trained
Speaker 1: myself to be an extrovert. Right, So what what you
Speaker 1: have to do is you have to watch yourself. Being
Speaker 1: on TV is actually very helpful because I can watch
Speaker 1: myself be like, oh that was cringeworthy, Like don't do
Speaker 1: that again. Right, But when you're when you're giving your
Speaker 1: analytics present, you get nervous, so you get whatever, and
Speaker 1: the coaches like just spit it out, and everyone wants
Speaker 1: things fast, and you you it's so sometimes and so
Speaker 1: it's very easy to get lazy with it and be
Speaker 1: like that one's better. Why But because the analytics say so, see,
Speaker 1: And that's a great explanation because as long as I've
Speaker 1: done this, which right, thirty seven years in this league,
Speaker 1: you know, coach for thirty one every time it's good.
Speaker 1: You started at five, so I started five years older.
Speaker 1: So infect the when when this thing, when this thing
Speaker 1: comes in, I had never understood. And you know, I
Speaker 1: was way old school when I started, because that's the
Speaker 1: way it was. I don't under I have never understood
Speaker 1: the resistance to it. So with organizations, I'd never have
Speaker 1: understood the resistance to it. Because but I think your
Speaker 1: explanation out there in the general ether zone is not
Speaker 1: what people think as to what you're saying. So do
Speaker 1: you know that the reason that I even got into
Speaker 1: this was because of Russ Grim and when he was
Speaker 1: when he was an O line coach at the tendency,
Speaker 1: tame us very well. He told me there was nothing
Speaker 1: I could do that would ever be useful to him.
Speaker 1: He said that, Yeah, great, which doesn't surprise me. No,
Speaker 1: how did this come up? Yeah, we're sitting there, We're
Speaker 1: sitting at the Good Combine. A lot of years ago,
Speaker 1: when I was still in sort of in finance and
Speaker 1: I was I learned how to code, I thought maybe
Speaker 1: i'd get into like cap right, so I wrote computer
Speaker 1: code because you're just doing a lot faster than like
Speaker 1: manually going through everything. And you, by the way, you
Speaker 1: remember things. If you organize data, you can remember it
Speaker 1: either turns out, so if you stay organized, it's a
Speaker 1: little easier. And I was like, there's got to be something.
Speaker 1: I was like, what's what's the biggest What's like something
Speaker 1: that's very hard for you to figure out. He's like,
Speaker 1: who's a waste beender? There were I'm trying not to
Speaker 1: swear because rest was a little headsome bleep bleeps in
Speaker 1: the Yeah, so I'm trying to like quote him, but
Speaker 1: to anyway, So we were talking and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to figure out how to tell you who
Speaker 1: a waste spender is. So I spent my entire rest
Speaker 1: of my master's thesis. Let's let's make clear to the
Speaker 1: listeners waste bender. That's what you're saying. Yeah, So basically,
Speaker 1: who has unfavorable leverage for an alignment? Like if you
Speaker 1: stand up too high then you get your knees to it.
Speaker 1: Just you're not good for your quarterback, right, so you
Speaker 1: need you need someone who can stay low. That's That's
Speaker 1: all I want. He wanted to figure out. So it
Speaker 1: was pretty it's the rest of my master's thesis. He
Speaker 1: owes me a lot of money. I'm still paying my
Speaker 1: student loans of RUSS Are you listening. I need some
Speaker 1: I need that student loans. Please collect it seriously. But
Speaker 1: I what I figured out was there are a few
Speaker 1: things that help determine if a lineman I couldn't figure
Speaker 1: out for a center because it's very hard to measure
Speaker 1: them with computer vision whatever. But wastebenders their first ten
Speaker 1: yards split of their forty, they can keep their butts
Speaker 1: within like a two inch rage. It's it's insane how
Speaker 1: accurate it is. It's insane. But it took me a
Speaker 1: it took me a lot of money, time and effort.
Speaker 1: Like but see before you before you put all of
Speaker 1: the analytics to it, I mean I've watched I've been
Speaker 1: at every combine, and you watched the ten yards and
Speaker 1: that it makes sense as to what you're saying when
Speaker 1: you start to look at and I mean, and you know,
Speaker 1: but the way you explain that, if you can do
Speaker 1: it mathematically, which a lot of us can't, Uh, why
Speaker 1: not at least look at it. So here's here's the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you knew at that at that combine, it was Jack Conklin.
Speaker 1: You knew Jack Conklin was going to be good. He
Speaker 1: he was not a waste spender in college. His Michigan
Speaker 1: State film showed it, and then he didn't hit his
Speaker 1: first The first ten split also proved it. But the
Speaker 1: thing that was interesting going back is those guys who
Speaker 1: are those average guys, but they can keep their butt down,
Speaker 1: they turn out to be better because you know the
Speaker 1: good you already knew Jack Hunt. Yeah, but there you go.
Speaker 1: But this is why we have run in the show.
Speaker 1: We don't say butts near enough on the podcast. Just
Speaker 1: a note for everybody. And that's why she's here. You win,
Speaker 1: You've won the prize, and that's that's why that's why
Speaker 1: she's owed money. But really, you can apply this to
Speaker 1: so many different aspects of this game, not just from
Speaker 1: a strategy standpoint, but from a player evaluation standpoint, which
Speaker 1: is what we're all doing here right now. Is this
Speaker 1: something that is around the NFL and we just don't
Speaker 1: hear about it, or is this kind of a new
Speaker 1: it's not anology is not the right word, but a
Speaker 1: new concept. So the technology has empowered us to do
Speaker 1: it a bit faster because before for it was very manual.
Speaker 1: You have to watch all these guts. Now what you
Speaker 1: can do is instead you can say, hey, I want
Speaker 1: to to check out all of the potential right tackles right,
Speaker 1: and I already know Jack Conklin's good. I know this
Speaker 1: is a long time ago my example, but you know
Speaker 1: it's like it's like, instead of instead of going through thirty,
Speaker 1: you tell me you want a guy who has a
Speaker 1: lot of experience against you know, in run blocking situations.
Speaker 1: They've played a lot of you know, against a lot
Speaker 1: of really good edge whatever. You give me the formula
Speaker 1: exactly whole thing, and then I can give you instead
Speaker 1: of looking through thirty, here's five. Here's five and start
Speaker 1: with these and if you don't like these, we'll go
Speaker 1: back to the drawing board. But let's make it easier
Speaker 1: on ourselves. And the technology has enabled us to do
Speaker 1: it faster. So as data has become more and more available,
Speaker 1: useful and like prevalent around the entire NFL and also
Speaker 1: at the college level, and you can use that data more.
Speaker 1: And all it is is it's you know, like in
Speaker 1: the light when we used to have to go to
Speaker 1: the library and you go to like the Dewey decimal
Speaker 1: system like Nature books that way, you know, like that's
Speaker 1: all analytics is. Instead of going through the whole library
Speaker 1: and be like I don't know where to start, you
Speaker 1: get a little bit of like a it's just like,
Speaker 1: let's narrow down all of the work you have to
Speaker 1: do it work smarter, not more, right, Like, let's use
Speaker 1: the technology to narrow down the field of options. So
Speaker 1: I'm deciding between five things instead of thirty, you know,
Speaker 1: on multiple choice tests when you're like on the SAT,
Speaker 1: they're like, if you can just guess, if you can,
Speaker 1: there's five, narrow it down. Now you've gone from a
Speaker 1: twenty if you have five options to twenty percent, thirty
Speaker 1: three and a third. Now I've just increased my odds
Speaker 1: of guessing, right, right, that's all you're doing. That's beautiful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make it easy. I think so much harder.
Speaker 1: Cynthia here, but thank you for that. My brain is smoking. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's sorry, I love it. Well, we've got to let
Speaker 1: her go, though, I know I'll come. I'll come back
Speaker 1: any you'll come back an Cynthia NFL network number and
Speaker 1: butts Well, okay, God she can say, you're gonna drop
Speaker 1: that on Rachel Bannette on, by the way, the greatest
Speaker 1: greatest duo in television right now outside of Shack and
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley. Oh you know that's huge. Yes, yes, I do.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it is fantastic television. Thanks so much
Speaker 1: for George. Appreciate you guys, Thanks for having me. Great stuff.
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Speaker 1: to the last segment of this edition of the OTP
Speaker 1: from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, you think about
Speaker 1: the great writers of the NFL, and Rick Goslin from
Speaker 1: Dallas is your friend and so good, and Dan Pompeii
Speaker 1: from Chicago is so good, and I mean, you've just
Speaker 1: known so many of them over the years, and they
Speaker 1: don't realize what they mean to us commoners, your royalty
Speaker 1: because you have coached in the league for a long
Speaker 1: time and you know everybody, and you have those sorts
Speaker 1: of relationships to those of us who didn't start our
Speaker 1: professional lives in the NFL, or really and you worked
Speaker 1: your way up. I'm not intimating that you didn't, but
Speaker 1: it seems so far away if you lived in Tennessee
Speaker 1: and to get to read people in the sports illustrated
Speaker 1: in the Sporting News, whatever, they brought you closer to
Speaker 1: a game that you thought was like a solar system away.
Speaker 1: And as the team got to Tennessee. It all became real,
Speaker 1: and so it's funny when you see and meet these
Speaker 1: people now, it kind of flips you out a little bit.
Speaker 1: And one of the people I'm talking about is Judy Bautista.
Speaker 1: She wrote for Newsday, she wrote for the New York Times,
Speaker 1: and then she's been with NFL Media for almost ten
Speaker 1: years now. One of the best from the jump, incredible sources,
Speaker 1: great stories. Another brilliant person. By the way. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: not a little bit smart, she's a lot a lot smart. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: we had a chance to visit with Judy Battista, and uh,
Speaker 1: it was pretty thrilling for me because I have been
Speaker 1: reading Judy Battista now for over thirty years. I mentioned
Speaker 1: that to her and she slapped me. Yes, she did
Speaker 1: not love that. Actually, I think she's okay. Maybe you
Speaker 1: should use Dunkan rewards on her. Yeah, I bought her
Speaker 1: a coffee. Actually that's not true. I'm a kidder. She
Speaker 1: was just lovely. She was. She was exactly what I
Speaker 1: hope she would be, very cool and very appreciative that
Speaker 1: people had had read her work over the years and
Speaker 1: that it had brought them into the game. When I
Speaker 1: was not working in the NFL meant a lot, and
Speaker 1: then as I got into the NFL, those people meant
Speaker 1: even more because you're in the process of figuring out
Speaker 1: what am I doing here? It was very different from
Speaker 1: college and and that's and that's obvious. So Judy Battista
Speaker 1: from the NFL Network and NFL Media took the time
Speaker 1: to stop by talk some topics and here she is
Speaker 1: on the o T Judy Batista, I guess technically from
Speaker 1: NFL media, is that how we say? I think that's
Speaker 1: probably the parent twenty thirteen. Most of us know you
Speaker 1: from Newsday and then the New York Times, though that
Speaker 1: was a long time ago. Now almost ten years. Wow.
Speaker 1: Some of us are a little older. Some of us
Speaker 1: might fanboy out because when we were not with an
Speaker 1: NFL team, we read all of the things that you
Speaker 1: wrote for years, and then when you became national, having
Speaker 1: a chance to follow what you've did, you have You've
Speaker 1: seen a lot in thirty plus years. Wow, now I
Speaker 1: feel old. But yes, all right, what do you put
Speaker 1: it that where it's like cheeze? Yeah, the NFL has
Speaker 1: changed this event as like is insane? How different this is? Now?
Speaker 1: I want you to take I'm gonna follow here. Amy
Speaker 1: Wells is sitting right here. Look, kid, all of the
Speaker 1: women I mean here in sort of the team pit
Speaker 1: over on the radio side, where it's it's local radio stations,
Speaker 1: the TV people that are here, the TV people that
Speaker 1: you work with. There are females in personnel offices. There
Speaker 1: are females on coaching staffs. We have one with the Titans.
Speaker 1: Can you believe it in a way based on your
Speaker 1: start and how you were probably one of about four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there weren't too many. To me. The most amazing thing
Speaker 1: is the women on the personnel side and on the
Speaker 1: coaching side, Because I frankly wasn't sure that was ever
Speaker 1: going to happen. That took a lot of effort. I mean,
Speaker 1: it takes people like Ron Rivera and Brian Aball and
Speaker 1: like free Ball who like give women coaches the opportunity.
Speaker 1: That was something I wasn't sure it was going to happen.
Speaker 1: There were always a few women in the media, obviously
Speaker 1: many many more now and still not enough. Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 1: I agree with she's said, I'm still sitting here, so well,
Speaker 1: that's okay, Mike. You're very nice. See we keep you
Speaker 1: around just for fun. But happening here in Indianapolis. Just
Speaker 1: speaking of women, there's the NFL Women's Forum that's happening
Speaker 1: right now. That's a great initiative by the National Football
Speaker 1: League to try and incorporate more women and give them
Speaker 1: the opportunity to kind of get in those spaces and
Speaker 1: meet other people who are having these jobs that aren't
Speaker 1: just in media but are in personnel and opts and
Speaker 1: things like that. How great is that initiative and kind
Speaker 1: of perpetuating pushing the cause. I guess yeah. I actually
Speaker 1: stopped by one of it, one of those events yesterday,
Speaker 1: and it was there was a panel discussion of women
Speaker 1: who are in coaching and on the personal side, and
Speaker 1: all the women in the audience were like working in
Speaker 1: those kinds of similar roles in the colleges. That I
Speaker 1: was sort of like, Wow, there's that many women working
Speaker 1: in the college game. You know, that was impressive and
Speaker 1: you know, and trying to find the avenue in like
Speaker 1: where does your career path go? You know, But I
Speaker 1: was sort of taking back by how many women there were,
Speaker 1: because again we're on the media side, so we see
Speaker 1: the media part of it most of all. In like,
Speaker 1: you know, you sort of know one or two like
Speaker 1: coach Low and you know, but to see those sort
Speaker 1: of numbers who are coming up, that was impressive and hopeful.
Speaker 1: And Judy, you mentioned her right there. Laurie Locus, the
Speaker 1: newest one of the newest coaching hires by by Mike
Speaker 1: Rabelin's Titans staff, was on that panel. She seems well
Speaker 1: received wherever she is, already has a huge profile and
Speaker 1: level of respect. Yeah, I covered her. I wrote a story, Um, well,
Speaker 1: it's a few years ago now about how incredibly diverse
Speaker 1: Bruce Arian's staff was at the Bucks. When he got
Speaker 1: to the Bucks, Laurie was on that staff. They have
Speaker 1: a female trainer who actually has a much better title
Speaker 1: than trainer. It's more exalted. She's got much more power
Speaker 1: and influence than that. And then he had a number
Speaker 1: of black coaches on the staff. But so I've known
Speaker 1: Laurie since then then, like like I'm impressed with her sticktuitiveness,
Speaker 1: Like because I think that's what if you're a woman
Speaker 1: in that part of the business, Like you really have
Speaker 1: to want to do it, because I am sure right,
Speaker 1: it's not a smooth career path and like there's just
Speaker 1: not that sort of Um the ends that you know,
Speaker 1: men have and they've been in the same circles for years.
Speaker 1: That just doesn't exist for women. So you have to
Speaker 1: really want to do it, and she really wants to
Speaker 1: do it. I think. Yeah. I think we're all policed
Speaker 1: who've worked in the league for a long time at
Speaker 1: the at the issues that have been attacked about diversity
Speaker 1: that are still being sort of attack that still need
Speaker 1: to be attacked. But in the end, this about winning.
Speaker 1: And when you hear Laurie Locusts, former defensive lineman the
Speaker 1: Dama Consus and guys of that ILK say she made
Speaker 1: me a better player, that has to come too, and
Speaker 1: she's got that on her resume. Yes, those guys. I
Speaker 1: talked to those guys when she was at the books
Speaker 1: and she was a coach right, right, They did not,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure after the initial days, right, the
Speaker 1: first few days where they were probably like, well this
Speaker 1: is different. After that, I mean, she was a coach, right,
Speaker 1: She was yelling at them and she was showing them
Speaker 1: technique like you she's a coach, yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: that's what will happen in Tennessee. Right, She's a coach
Speaker 1: and for the league to be creating those opportunities for
Speaker 1: people to get in the room, to get in that space,
Speaker 1: to be able to earn the right to not be
Speaker 1: a woman in this place, to not be kind of
Speaker 1: an extra who's been given a shot, you know, and
Speaker 1: be a story, to be a coach, to be someone
Speaker 1: who deserves to be there. It's nice to finally see
Speaker 1: that those opportunities are becoming available to get in improve yourself. Well,
Speaker 1: I think the best thing will be when we stop
Speaker 1: writing stories and stop talking about it, right when it's
Speaker 1: commonplace enough that you know, Brian day Ball has a
Speaker 1: woman on his staff, and I live in New York
Speaker 1: and so everybody talked about that for a while, like
Speaker 1: first time there was a woman on the Giants coaching staff.
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, the real, the real accomplishment is
Speaker 1: going to be when we stop. There's having to mention it, right, right,
Speaker 1: So let's talk league. Okay, when does the Washington thing?
Speaker 1: And there's so many parts of it, That's why I say,
Speaker 1: when does the Washington thing get resolved? I don't think
Speaker 1: there was some hope that it would be at the
Speaker 1: annual meeting at the end of March. I don't think
Speaker 1: it'll happen then, I mean they're in the process of
Speaker 1: taking bids. That's never a fast process, even under the
Speaker 1: best of circumstances. You go through several rounds. They have
Speaker 1: to be vetted, right, the league has to make sure
Speaker 1: this is what you want and that it has to
Speaker 1: be approved by the owners. So I think we're still
Speaker 1: a ways away from the team changing hands. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are so many other ten drils to that story
Speaker 1: that I you know, there's an investigation going on that
Speaker 1: the League is doing into the conduct, including Daniel Snyder's
Speaker 1: conduct at the Commanders. We've been told that's close to completion,
Speaker 1: but I don't know what that means. You know what
Speaker 1: we're out yesterday about it. It's been you know, that
Speaker 1: investigation has been going on for more than a year.
Speaker 1: It's started at last year's Super Bowl, so that's been
Speaker 1: going on for more than a year. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of complex financial issues that are being looked at, very complex,
Speaker 1: So I think it's going to be a while until
Speaker 1: we get all of those kinds of answers. If we
Speaker 1: ever get all of those kinds of answers, I mean,
Speaker 1: part of it, I think is going to be wrapped
Speaker 1: up in the sale and I think if they can
Speaker 1: get the sale finished, I'm not sure we will ever
Speaker 1: get all of the answers. That's what the owners want,
Speaker 1: rather than to have to make a decision on Daniel
Speaker 1: Snyder's right, the league would much prefer like an orderly
Speaker 1: transfer to a new owner, right Like, just first of all,
Speaker 1: that franchise is going to draw what we think is
Speaker 1: going to be a record setting sale price. Right It's
Speaker 1: a run down franchise in a huge market that a
Speaker 1: lot of it is untapped because of the way it's
Speaker 1: been operated. So yes, they would prefer and orderly transfer.
Speaker 1: They don't want to have to take a vote to
Speaker 1: vote him out. They're angry enough that I think they
Speaker 1: have the votes to vote him out, but they certainly
Speaker 1: don't want to have to go down that path. That's
Speaker 1: a messy. That's even messier than the situation is right now.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, as they are trying to sort all
Speaker 1: this up as an organization, how do you move forward
Speaker 1: with all these things looming? I mean, Ron Rivera has
Speaker 1: all of this on, has played and credit to him
Speaker 1: for keeping that team like you know, with the blinders on,
Speaker 1: and you know last year, I mean they were in
Speaker 1: the mix, and I give him a lot of credit
Speaker 1: because it cannot be easy. You know, I don't know
Speaker 1: how much players are paying attention to, you know, all
Speaker 1: of this kind of stuff, but everybody who works in
Speaker 1: the office is aware of it, right And certainly everybody
Speaker 1: is aware that the team could change hands, and we
Speaker 1: all know that new owners tend to change a lot
Speaker 1: of things. So I'm sure people are concerned about the future.
Speaker 1: But again, credit to Ron Rivera for you know, steering
Speaker 1: the ship ahead and just keep going. I'll stay with
Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders for a moment because a few days
Speaker 1: ago you had a nice column on NFL dot com
Speaker 1: about your potential list of franchise tag candidates, and we're
Speaker 1: a few days left in that before teams can make
Speaker 1: those decisions. The first one to fall was to Ron
Speaker 1: Payne of the Washington Commanders. Who do you think, just
Speaker 1: in your opinion, is the next Domado to fall? Obviously
Speaker 1: there's some really big names on that list. When you're
Speaker 1: talking about Lamar Jackson, Daniel Jones, what do you think, Well,
Speaker 1: the Lamar Jackson situation is the most interesting thing I
Speaker 1: think other than Aaron Rodgers this offseason, that is the
Speaker 1: most fascinating situation, and because it's like oddly tense, it
Speaker 1: seems like like just like, wow, this is sort of
Speaker 1: sideways in a way you didn't expect it to be.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if that's the next one
Speaker 1: that will happen. The Giants, I can tell you, really
Speaker 1: do not want to have to use the franchise tag
Speaker 1: on Daniel Jones. They really would like to get a
Speaker 1: contract done with him, and they are cautiously optimistic that
Speaker 1: they will get a contract on And part of the
Speaker 1: reason why they want it done with him is because
Speaker 1: they want to have the franchise tag in their back
Speaker 1: pocket if they can't get a deal done with sae
Speaker 1: Quon Barkley, they would like to keep both of them. Obviously,
Speaker 1: if you have there's no question Daniel Jones will be
Speaker 1: with the team. If they can't get the contract on,
Speaker 1: they will franchise tag him. But that exposes sae Quon
Speaker 1: Barkley if you can't get a deal done, So it's
Speaker 1: gonna it's an interesting week there. They are cautiously optimistic
Speaker 1: they will get both of them done, though. You know,
Speaker 1: a former agent, Joel Corey I think, put a post
Speaker 1: out saying that if the Baltimore Ravens put him as
Speaker 1: the exclusive franchise tag and then tagged him again in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, it's ninety nine million dollars flat money. Right,
Speaker 1: There's it's like getting a huge deal, just not exactly
Speaker 1: what he wants in terms of what'smen reported as a
Speaker 1: guaranteed contract. Right. What's so interesting about this situation is
Speaker 1: if you're the Baltimore Rave sense, you have one of
Speaker 1: the premier talents in the league. If you why why
Speaker 1: are things so bad? Like? I know he wants the
Speaker 1: guaranteed contract, but like the idea that you could lose
Speaker 1: this guy, Like, how how are we at this point? Um?
Speaker 1: You know, and the Baltimore Ravens are a very well
Speaker 1: run organization, very well run organization. That this has sort
Speaker 1: of gone sideways so far is sort of mystifying to
Speaker 1: me and I and I and I understand why the Ravens,
Speaker 1: you know, um, their owner When when Deshaun Watson got
Speaker 1: the fully guaranteed deal from the Browns, uh, the owner
Speaker 1: of the Baltimore Ravens was the owner who spoke up
Speaker 1: publicly blasting that like fully guaranteed And here we know
Speaker 1: why because he knew this was going to impact their
Speaker 1: situation with Lamar. Um. I don't know how the contract situation,
Speaker 1: And it's unfathomable to me that Lamar Jackson would not
Speaker 1: be with the Baltimore Ravens. But you know who knows,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I never imagined it would be where
Speaker 1: it is right now. That was the discussion with the
Speaker 1: three of us, with Mike and Amy and I in
Speaker 1: the car on the way up to Indianapolis, were like,
Speaker 1: how did they get to this point? Well, he wants
Speaker 1: the kind of guarantees that Deshaun Watson got. The reality is,
Speaker 1: and I understand why he wants that, But none of
Speaker 1: the other quarterbacks whose contracts have been done since the
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson deal, the big deals have had the same
Speaker 1: guarantees have been fully guaranteed. That doesn't mean Lamar shouldn't
Speaker 1: ask for it. Everybody should ask for it. They should
Speaker 1: all ask for it. It doesn't mean you're gonna get
Speaker 1: it though, right. The problem is what happens? What happens
Speaker 1: if they franchise dead, Like, would they entertain offers from
Speaker 1: other teams to I mean again wow, because there would
Speaker 1: certainly be other teams, all right? One follow up and
Speaker 1: then I'm sorry I'm hogging questions here, but I wanted
Speaker 1: to follow up with this, is it? What is your
Speaker 1: opinion that Deshaun Watson might be the last guaranteed quarterback
Speaker 1: deal or guarantee a period ever? Nah, I feel I
Speaker 1: feel like somebody else will get it um at some point.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying this hypothetically. But the next time that
Speaker 1: they have to do Patrick Mahomes contract, ye, is there
Speaker 1: any I mean, what would you like Patrick? Okay, the
Speaker 1: agents for Justin Berbert and those I don't know if,
Speaker 1: but but like you've got Burrow coming up. I mean,
Speaker 1: what if if he's you know, dug in and said
Speaker 1: I want that, what would the Bengals do? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: right from him, he's from Ohio, different, he's taking you
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. They brag on him more than
Speaker 1: I've ever seen any team brag on a quarterback in
Speaker 1: recent memory. Normally teams don't talk that way about their
Speaker 1: own guy like they talk about Joe Burrow. He's special.
Speaker 1: It's obviously a special situation because of Ohio. But like,
Speaker 1: you know, so if he dug in and said, like, well,
Speaker 1: I want the Deshaun Watson kind of deal. But with
Speaker 1: the Bengals, do let it walk out the door? Right?
Speaker 1: You have to keep him right, he's he's everything. Well
Speaker 1: and to your point, Patrick Mahomes says, I would like
Speaker 1: all of this money and my own island. Whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whichever one you want, talk to your real estate agent.
Speaker 1: Has this been one of the stranger off seasons in
Speaker 1: terms of quarterback stories throughout the NFL just because not
Speaker 1: necessarily the volume of quarterbacks that are making moves, but
Speaker 1: kind of odd circumstances surrounding a lot of different quarterbacks
Speaker 1: throughout the league. I feel like the last few years
Speaker 1: have been strange with quarterback. There's been there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of quarterback movement right where you think of that
Speaker 1: position doesn't really move that much, but there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of high end right. I think I think it
Speaker 1: started when when Tom Brady left New England. Right, that
Speaker 1: was that was the COVID season, Right, that was twenty
Speaker 1: to twenty. So that's where I've that was like the
Speaker 1: start of this sort of bizarre cycle of like top
Speaker 1: end quarterbacks like in some sort of flux. And we're
Speaker 1: in that situation now with Aaron Rodgers were like, right,
Speaker 1: you're waiting for his decision before all of the other
Speaker 1: dominoes can fall into plays like right, like, we have
Speaker 1: no idea what Derek Carr, what's gonna happen with Derek Carr,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, any of the others until Aaron Rodgers decides
Speaker 1: what's going on there? You live in New York, You've
Speaker 1: covered New York. Could Aaron Rodgers play in New York
Speaker 1: with his sensitivity factor? I was just talking to people
Speaker 1: from the Jets about that. Well, what did you tell Well?
Speaker 1: I said, it would be really interesting as somebody who
Speaker 1: used to cover the Jets, it would be really interesting
Speaker 1: to see that dynamic. Having said that, listen, he can
Speaker 1: he can still play, and if he can still play
Speaker 1: the way Aaron Rodgers kind of like, nothing else will
Speaker 1: matter because listen, the Brett Farve thing was nuts when
Speaker 1: Farv went to the Jets and was not still the
Speaker 1: player that Aaron Rodgers still is. And for the first
Speaker 1: half of the season before Brett Farv got hurt, like
Speaker 1: it was a Jetstown people were nuts and it was
Speaker 1: great and then he got hurt and things fell apart.
Speaker 1: But if Aaron Rodgers can play at that level, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's been a long time since there's been a start
Speaker 1: like that in New York. So yes, I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: the relationship with the media would be really interesting. Really
Speaker 1: what you're going back to Mike's point about it's about winning,
Speaker 1: but it's about winning and if you're winning, and I think, look,
Speaker 1: they have a lot of young talent, and last year
Speaker 1: I was around that team, if they had had even
Speaker 1: marginally consistent quarterback play, they would have made the playoffs. Well,
Speaker 1: and the station the statement was made, and I apologize
Speaker 1: for not giving credit to the person who tweeted this out,
Speaker 1: but Derek Carrs team Defense Slash Special Teams DVOA in
Speaker 1: his nine years with the Raiders was thirty second in
Speaker 1: the league. Last year, the New York Jets team EVOA
Speaker 1: with defense and special teams combined was fifth. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: that was the That was the argument for Derek Carr,
Speaker 1: and obviously it would be an argument for Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: because Robert Sala's teams are going to play good defense
Speaker 1: and gonna play good special teams. Last year, if Mike
Speaker 1: White had not gotten hurt, they would have gone to
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Right, Like Mike White was playing well enough,
Speaker 1: the defense was playing very well, and they had enough
Speaker 1: young talent and they're going to get more back from
Speaker 1: injury this year that they would have been a playoff
Speaker 1: team last year if the quarterback play could have just
Speaker 1: like if you just didn't have some of those games
Speaker 1: where you're watching going like, oh my god. I mean
Speaker 1: the game against Jacksonville that was a Thursday night game
Speaker 1: in the rain. I was covering that game and that
Speaker 1: I mean, you're just watching it like, how could an
Speaker 1: NFL team have such disastrous quarterback play? If you have
Speaker 1: even average quarterback play, they are a playoff team. So
Speaker 1: I mean to have Derek Carr and Rogers with the
Speaker 1: young talent, that's very interesting. Can we talk competition committee
Speaker 1: while we have Judy Batista here, because that feels like
Speaker 1: something that we would be lacking if we didn't. Um
Speaker 1: we had the chance to talk to Mike Rabel about
Speaker 1: that a little bit and everything that they've been working on.
Speaker 1: Owners meetings are coming up at the end of the
Speaker 1: month and that's when we see a lot of the
Speaker 1: rule changes in everything. But officiating has been such a
Speaker 1: big topic of conversation, not only throughout the league, yeah,
Speaker 1: but within the within that room. What has struck you
Speaker 1: about maybe their concentrated effort on really trying to standardize
Speaker 1: officiating a little bit more. Their big thing is they
Speaker 1: want officiating to be consistent across the cruise, right, so
Speaker 1: that you don't have one crew that looks at uh,
Speaker 1: you know, roughing the passer one way and then another
Speaker 1: crew that is aiating in it an entirely different way.
Speaker 1: They at least want it to be consistent, right. This
Speaker 1: year they brought they brought officials into the room with
Speaker 1: the Competition Committee to go over watching film. They do
Speaker 1: a ton of training that I was told that the
Speaker 1: competition Committee is happy with the amount of training they get.
Speaker 1: They really don't think you know, everybody talks about should
Speaker 1: they be full time. It's essentially a full time job
Speaker 1: the amount of training they do and the amount of
Speaker 1: review they do. So I don't think that's an issue
Speaker 1: for the competition Committee. I think consistency across the cruise
Speaker 1: is an issue and that they want to solve. But listen,
Speaker 1: I mean, I've said this a lot. The league will
Speaker 1: take officiating controversies like I think they would like, you know,
Speaker 1: they would like officials to not get blasted, but it's
Speaker 1: a human part of the game right. It's they're not
Speaker 1: going to robots right, It's just not going to happen.
Speaker 1: You're going to have the human element. There are a
Speaker 1: lot of judgment calls. They tried to make pass interference reviewable.
Speaker 1: It was a disaster. They got rid of that. Some
Speaker 1: people want roughing the pastor to be reviewable. They really
Speaker 1: don't want to do that for the same reason. So
Speaker 1: I think we're all as fans going to have to
Speaker 1: accept that, Like it's a game officiated by humans. The
Speaker 1: fact that they get as many calls right in real
Speaker 1: time is amazing when you go back and look at it,
Speaker 1: and I mean, like you know, sometimes you're watching the
Speaker 1: play and you're like, wow, how the heck did they
Speaker 1: get that right? The players are so fast. So the
Speaker 1: bottom line in this, it sounds like to me, is
Speaker 1: you can only do so much refinement to rules because
Speaker 1: obviously what you're trying to do at the end of
Speaker 1: the day is trying to not leave it open to
Speaker 1: interpretation that it's cut, dried, black and white, whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it. One of the things that they
Speaker 1: say year after year after year is as you refine
Speaker 1: the rules, you're actually making it more difficult for the officials, right,
Speaker 1: because there's just more that they have to look for more.
Speaker 1: And so I'll give you an example, the drop hip
Speaker 1: tackle that everybody has talked about in the last few weeks.
Speaker 1: Chuck Mahomes got hurt on it in the game against Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: So there's a question about should that be taken out
Speaker 1: of the game. And one of the points that Troy
Speaker 1: Vincent made was can officials even see that in real time?
Speaker 1: Or would you have to replay to even see it happening?
Speaker 1: Like horse collar tackles were easy, right, you can see
Speaker 1: the hand get into the back and pull them back.
Speaker 1: You can see that, Like could you even see if
Speaker 1: you write in real time? If that's that's hard? And
Speaker 1: so they always say the rule book is so voluminous
Speaker 1: and hard, like do you really want to add another
Speaker 1: element like that? All right? So I want to ask
Speaker 1: you about a couple fourth and fifteen instead of on
Speaker 1: side kick. Does it have a chance. I don't think
Speaker 1: it'll be approved, but it's gonna be. I believe it's
Speaker 1: going to be proposed again. It picked up incremental support
Speaker 1: the last time it was on I think it was twice.
Speaker 1: It's been proposed, so I don't think it will be approved.
Speaker 1: But another concern, by the way, is the number of
Speaker 1: concussions that happen on special teams play, so they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to They're gonna have to get creative with special
Speaker 1: teams play because those numbers are high and they're not
Speaker 1: coming down, so they've got to figure that out. The
Speaker 1: quarterback sneak push, does it get out lawed? I think
Speaker 1: it will not get out lawed. I think the argument
Speaker 1: is going to be stop it, first of all, but
Speaker 1: how do you stop Well, I think what you're gonna
Speaker 1: see is defenses go to school on it in this offseason,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, I think what you're gonna see is they're
Speaker 1: gonna put their defensive tackles in and then you're gonna
Speaker 1: have linebackers pushing, which is going to be dangerous, right,
Speaker 1: and the first time the quarterback gets hurt doing it
Speaker 1: is going to be the last time it gets called
Speaker 1: or a lot that's what we'll get it out of
Speaker 1: the game, or a lineman gets knocked out, right. But
Speaker 1: I mean, if you have God forbid, I don't want
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts to be in this situation. But if the
Speaker 1: Eagles run that play with Jayala hurts and they're pushing,
Speaker 1: and then the opposing team has their defensive tackles in
Speaker 1: the middle and the linebackers pushing. That's a dangerous play,
Speaker 1: and so I think unfortunately, I think the first time
Speaker 1: somebody gets hurt doing it is going to be the
Speaker 1: last time that play gets called. But offensive coaches don't
Speaker 1: want it out of the game because they say, think
Speaker 1: of all the other plays that can develop out of it.
Speaker 1: You line up as if you're going to do that,
Speaker 1: and then you know, you pitch it out and do whatever.
Speaker 1: So I think it I don't think it'll be outlawed.
Speaker 1: I just think teams are defenses are going to figure
Speaker 1: out a way to stop it, and that will naturally
Speaker 1: evolve it out. I don't think it's a football play.
Speaker 1: I think it's an ugly play and it's the aesthetics
Speaker 1: of it that I think, but some people in the
Speaker 1: NFL don't. I don't think the design of a football
Speaker 1: play it should be guys to push guys. That's rugby, right,
Speaker 1: And I know football comes from rugby and comes from
Speaker 1: soccer and comes from other things, but I when I
Speaker 1: watch that, I just don't That's what bothers me about it,
Speaker 1: because it's like it's a big time gimmick that that
Speaker 1: doesn't fit what the spirit of the game. But we
Speaker 1: have seen gimmicks in the NFL, and they sort of
Speaker 1: naturally evolve out of it, right because defenses figure out
Speaker 1: how to stop it. Defenses will figure out how to
Speaker 1: stop this, and that will something else will grow out
Speaker 1: of it. But that's again the hope is that what
Speaker 1: this play is not a quarterback getting injured by like,
Speaker 1: you know, two thousand pounds of humanity pushing against him.
Speaker 1: You're an optimist, unfortunately. How did you come to love football? Oh? Wow? Uh?
Speaker 1: I grew up in South Florida at a time when
Speaker 1: there were no other professional sports in South Florida, so
Speaker 1: you had Yankees and Mets spring training. They still did
Speaker 1: spring training in South Florida, so you had that. Um
Speaker 1: and I'm from New York originally, so we still loved
Speaker 1: the New York baseball teams, and then football was at
Speaker 1: The Dolphins were awesome. Then Don Shula and Bob Greasy
Speaker 1: and then of course they got Dan Marino when I
Speaker 1: was a little bit older, so that when you went
Speaker 1: to the U and I went to you during the
Speaker 1: greatest period ever, Oh, but so much fun. Yes, and
Speaker 1: so football was just awesome, you know it was. That's
Speaker 1: why watched a lot of it because I'm a fan.
Speaker 1: Thank you for this great to thank you guys time. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: You're awesome at what you do and you have been
Speaker 1: for a long time. I hope you keep doing it
Speaker 1: for a long time. Thank you very much. Good to
Speaker 1: be with you, guys, and I'll see you in a
Speaker 1: few more weeks. We'll be there, possible. Well, what all
Speaker 1: comes tomorrow? We've got quarterbacks on the way. Well well, well, yes,
Speaker 1: at the podium on Friday and then on Saturday they
Speaker 1: work out, right, who has the bigger podium crowd? Anthony
Speaker 1: Richardson or By Young He's a much bigger college star,
Speaker 1: So I think little guy, Well, yeah, everybody's talked about.
Speaker 1: We talked with someone last night who stood next to him,
Speaker 1: and this person was five ten on a good day
Speaker 1: and claimed that they were taller. Wow. So I mean,
Speaker 1: what he's going to measure on Saturday is going to
Speaker 1: be really interesting. And I know, listen, I get that
Speaker 1: he will have gained weight. You know who doesn't gain
Speaker 1: weight an indie this week? Well that's true, but really
Speaker 1: that's a different topic. But it's still not going to
Speaker 1: change his frame. That's the That's the thing is his
Speaker 1: frame is still gonna be his frame. And he's just
Speaker 1: not a big person. I mean, he's just he's just
Speaker 1: not a big, thick guy, no matter how tall he is.
Speaker 1: So I think that's gonna be fascinating to see. The
Speaker 1: thing that we're hearing that's really interesting is a lot
Speaker 1: of the will Levis talk going up. Mike will Levis
Speaker 1: did not have a good year this year at Kentucky,
Speaker 1: but that did not dampen his NFL talk much at
Speaker 1: all because of the traits that he has and also
Speaker 1: because how scarce those guys are in the draft. Well,
Speaker 1: so the comparison we heard from somebody who knows some
Speaker 1: stuff is Matt Ryan, with the idea being that coming
Speaker 1: out of Boston College, he was this big guy, he
Speaker 1: was a smart guy. He had played a lot of football,
Speaker 1: and his last year he threw too many interceptions and
Speaker 1: everybody was very concerned. But he had no weapons, and
Speaker 1: Kentucky was not as good a team offensively in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two as they were in twenty twenty one. No,
Speaker 1: and that's a great I mean it's a great comparison. Yes,
Speaker 1: and so you, as I say, with the two drafts
Speaker 1: that there are. Quarterback being a separate entity doesn't surprise
Speaker 1: me at all. In the circles I talk in because
Speaker 1: people don't care. Don't care. I think he's gonna end
Speaker 1: up here in Indianapolis because I think strap out or
Speaker 1: younger going one, two, and then I think he's going
Speaker 1: to end up at either three or four. If Indianapolis
Speaker 1: moves up a spot or note, I think this is
Speaker 1: where he's gonna end up. I would not put any
Speaker 1: money against that, Mike. I think we may be playing
Speaker 1: against Will Levice for the next fifteen years. Red Bryan,
Speaker 1: I don't like that, but I can't know anything. You
Speaker 1: don't like that or something. There's some people listening to
Speaker 1: that this right now. Some of the OT people like
Speaker 1: that because they are convinced he is way overrated. Well,
Speaker 1: let me just talk talk to those people. For the
Speaker 1: OT people, he will not bringing the offensive line he
Speaker 1: played behind in college, and Indie has a good Indie
Speaker 1: has one of the better offensive lines in the in
Speaker 1: the league. It's a whole different set of circumstances. But
Speaker 1: this guy's physical ability and he's got some gun slinger
Speaker 1: in him. This year he was slinging it too much
Speaker 1: because he had to do everything. If it comes to Indie,
Speaker 1: we're going on Mike Key's proposition here. You won't have
Speaker 1: to do everything, just do a little bit pretty good.
Speaker 1: If the Levis love raises to a different level, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of l's there. Go ahead. That was by design, right,
Speaker 1: he's a broadcaster, radio thing try to do. He's a kid,
Speaker 1: He's a kitterer. I'm a kidder. If it rises a lot,
Speaker 1: don't be surprised this weekend. That's what we're hearing is
Speaker 1: that you're going to hear a lot of people really
Speaker 1: say nice things about Will Levis. And it's not because
Speaker 1: teams are just figuring it out. It's because the people
Speaker 1: who cover the teams are figuring out that the teams
Speaker 1: like Will Levis better than they think. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: after tomorrow is going to be an interesting day. After
Speaker 1: he is able to speak to the media and as
Speaker 1: a delightful person and people can fall in love with him.
Speaker 1: And then he goes and they do all the measurements
Speaker 1: and he's big and he looks the part. Then he's
Speaker 1: a nice boy and he's big and strong, and then
Speaker 1: he throws a ball around a little bit. I mean
Speaker 1: because he is going to throw, because he is going
Speaker 1: to throw, and so you'll be able to see that
Speaker 1: aspect of it. I think there's a lot of room
Speaker 1: for him to make some money this week. Um. But
Speaker 1: again that a lot of that is because it's going
Speaker 1: to be new information to us, not necessarily because it's
Speaker 1: new information for the teams. The clubs already know. That's
Speaker 1: not new information, right, It's correct. They are aware of
Speaker 1: who he is, very aware, yes, very aware, and they
Speaker 1: have done their due diligence very much so and are
Speaker 1: going to continue to do their due dialace very much.
Speaker 1: Us love levitating, Let us love. If you need a
Speaker 1: there are a lot of I'm telling you, man, you
Speaker 1: talk to some of my sec friends, Oh he garbage?
Speaker 1: Well well, and these are people who know some things too.
Speaker 1: They're just convinced that he's Oh are ain't told a
Speaker 1: mild But what happens after that? Yeah? Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean Kentucky was overhyped this year, isn't the team?
Speaker 1: They weren't that good and coming off the ten win season,
Speaker 1: they were supposed to be good again, and then Chris
Speaker 1: Rodriguez has the problem and can't play to start the year,
Speaker 1: and people don't realize what they had used in the
Speaker 1: offensive line. And I mean no offense to Kentucky or
Speaker 1: to Mark Stoops, but he's not reloading like Nick saban is.
Speaker 1: He's not reloading like Kirby smart Is. He's got a
Speaker 1: good program in place, but it's it's not that. And
Speaker 1: so when you lose some of those old linemen like
Speaker 1: they did, and receivers and people, I mean, it makes
Speaker 1: a difference. You know. I had the chance to talk
Speaker 1: to coach Stoops about that exact thing, actually, because I,
Speaker 1: through a series of events, was one of the sideline
Speaker 1: reporters for the Music City Bowl. Kentucky's playing in the
Speaker 1: Music City Bowl, so I had the chance to talk
Speaker 1: to him about that, and he was adamant that what
Speaker 1: makes their program unique is that they just can't recruit
Speaker 1: like an Alabama, They can't recruit like an LSU, and
Speaker 1: so they don't have that unbelievable depth at every single position.
Speaker 1: He says, it's to their benefit almost because they're able
Speaker 1: to invest in players and they have a great character
Speaker 1: on their program. And there's so many other things, but
Speaker 1: when you have a really great year and then you
Speaker 1: lose a bunch of seniors, or you lose a bunch
Speaker 1: of guys to the transfer portal, you are hurting because
Speaker 1: you just don't have the people. And you've got a
Speaker 1: lot of guys behind them that will be good by
Speaker 1: the time they get to their junior senior years, but
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're having to fill a void,
Speaker 1: not with a really good junior who anywhere else would
Speaker 1: have been a starter or two years ago, you're filling
Speaker 1: it with a freshman sophomore who still needs a lot
Speaker 1: of development. And it makes things a little trickier for
Speaker 1: programs that are recruiting in the SEC against these really
Speaker 1: big schools. Well, the credit goes to Mitch Barnhardt, the
Speaker 1: athletic director, because he gave Mark Stoops time to build
Speaker 1: this sort of program. And that's the key in those situations,
Speaker 1: especially when you're non traditional. If you get time to
Speaker 1: where you can still red shirt people, you can still
Speaker 1: put in the time in the weight room, you can
Speaker 1: still develop. I mean, you look at kirk Ferens at Iowa,
Speaker 1: I mean they are that consistent program. I mean I
Speaker 1: would say if Kentucky looks to model themselves after a program.
Speaker 1: Iowa is a great model that you recruit a guy
Speaker 1: who maybe was going to be a tight end and
Speaker 1: he grows into aligneman and you take that time because
Speaker 1: and listen, they recruit a lot better than they used to.
Speaker 1: I mean, Mark Stoops has done an amazing job, but
Speaker 1: it's not five star, five star, five star, four star.
Speaker 1: It's just not who they are. And that was what
Speaker 1: Levis played with this year. He clearly, whether you think
Speaker 1: he's overrated or not, you can't deny his cast around
Speaker 1: him was not as good. And also he lost his
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. He was there one year, came from the Rams,
Speaker 1: went back to the Rams, and oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: he's back at Kentucky. Right exactly, he's back at Kentucky.
Speaker 1: But can I just say something, sure That boots on
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