1 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 2 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: You'll get lower deductibles and premiums and less hassles. Visit 3 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: FBHP dot com. Farm Bureau Health Plans has been protecting 4 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: Tennesseeans for seventy six years. Welcome back to the Indiana 5 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: Convention Center with Coach Dave McGinnis, Rhet Bryan, and Amy Wells. 6 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm Mike Keith. We are glad to have you for 7 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: the Official Titans Podcast. Kind Of an interesting time because 8 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: a lot of the media leaves at this point in 9 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: the week. On Thursday, coach mac and then sort of 10 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: the football takes over. People will wonder why does a 11 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: lot of the media leave. It's because they can't go 12 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: in and watch the workouts, and the workouts take center 13 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: stage starting today. Absolutely. Today's the day that they start 14 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: with the defensive line and the linebackers and then they 15 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: will progressively go through, you know, until Monday, with the 16 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: different positions. The first three days that we have been here, 17 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: it has been all media because you've got the interviews 18 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: at the platform, at the podium, you've got every team 19 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: represented here on the floor. That is bringing people in 20 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: to do a lot of different things. Titans Radio has 21 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: beaten everybody by bringing in interviews and content, but now 22 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: it's starting to get to the football part of it. 23 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: On the floor. Ongoing has been with the players interviewing 24 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: with teams both in the in the what we call 25 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: the train station interviews. And also they're not at the 26 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: train station anymore. They're on the consoon to all used 27 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: to be, but they're on the concourse now, but they 28 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: still call them the train station interviews. And then the 29 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: formal interviews that gone over at theay at the Holidame. 30 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: But the media is allowed into none of that. So 31 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: the part that the media has total access to is 32 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: winding up pretty quick. Players at the podiums. Ret Brian 33 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: has been there for a lot of that when we 34 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: have not taken his time to join us. The defensive 35 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: linemen have spoken, they have. The linebackers have spoken. They 36 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: have the defensive backs have spoken, yes, they have. To 37 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: this point, anything or anybody jump out to you A 38 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: couple of things as I look back at my notes here. 39 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: Caleb Murphy a very interesting young man and one of 40 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: the stories coming out of this combine. One of the 41 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: three Division two players invited to the combine from Ferris State. 42 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: He's the pass rusher. He's the pass rusher. He's the 43 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 1: Ted Hendricks Award winner twenty five and a half sacks 44 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: at Ferriss State last year. And now he's light. He's 45 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: gonna measure in nearly six to five, about two fifteen. 46 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: He needs to add some functional strength. But a really 47 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: nice young man, Dylan Horton, Frog TCU. That's a good prospect. 48 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: Ali Gay. This is a pass rush or from LSU 49 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: who is from what is called the Smiling Coast of Gambia. 50 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: Came here when he was a young fellow, like a 51 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: lot of you know, the Samokawanus that we have a 52 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: lot of those stories like that. His father came here 53 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven and until they were given 54 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: asylum to leave, he didn't see his dad for four years. 55 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: Has a very interesting story there. But he's a good 56 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: prospect from LSU who has not only a lot to 57 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: prove here this week and in a good edge rusher class, 58 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: but has an interesting story in background. Will McDonald a 59 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: fourth who if we have mentioned on the OTP a 60 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: couple of times this week, who was at the Senior 61 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: Bowl edge rusher Iowa State. That's right, who is heading 62 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: towards two hundred and fifty pounds playing wait Klijah Kancy 63 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: I found interesting to speak to. He was the defensive 64 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: lineman from pitt who is gonna get some comparisons because 65 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: of his size too. And Aaron Donald roughly six feet 66 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: to eighty that's correct, he's currently at two eighty. Syracuse 67 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: cornerback Garrett Williams is interesting. He's a guy that has 68 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: come off of an acl in the last two or 69 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: three months and heard him telling some great stories. Perhaps 70 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: the guy I think that has taken the podiums in 71 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: these first three or four days is the pass rusher 72 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: from Georgia, Nolan Smith. He was holding court and just 73 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: was absolutely that great personality. And then Julius Brents, who 74 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: we saw at the Senior Bowl, who's the cornerback from 75 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: Kansas State of really long prospects. He six three. He's 76 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: gotta be he's gonna have because he was a big, 77 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: tall drink of water heading up to the podium. But 78 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: perhaps the most impressive person who passes the eye test 79 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: is Joey Porter Junior from Penn State. When you see 80 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: the preliminary stuff that says he's six two one eight legit. 81 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,239 Speaker 1: He looks the part that looks like a first round 82 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: draft pick cornerback who is a long He and Julius 83 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: Sprince are probably two of the longer cornerbacks in this 84 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: thing than in wingspanning those things. He's the he said today, 85 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: he's the number one cornerback in this draft. Sounds a 86 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: lot like his dad. You know the reason he said 87 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: that's because he probably is. He may be, he may be, 88 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: he's got he's got it, he's got a chance, he's 89 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: got a chance to be. But he's definitely a first 90 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: round pick, and he's somebody that the Titans have been 91 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: mocked with at number eleven. May not be there at eleven, 92 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: may already be gone. Certainly would be good value at 93 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: eleven to get a corner of that with that size 94 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: and the sort of ability and not surprisingly not scared 95 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: to play the run, No, absolutely not. And then knowing, 96 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: of course, knowing the bloodlines and having very close knowledge 97 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: of his father during the years in the in the 98 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: afc uh, you know this guy and you can tell 99 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: that he you can kind of tell some of the 100 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: some of these players that have grown up with a 101 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: father that has not only been an NFL player, but 102 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: as been an accomplished NFL player. If these if these 103 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: guys show any type of affinity at all for the 104 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: game from a young age, their dads start teaching them 105 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: very very well. And so he's one of them. I 106 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: like a corner with confidence though, a guy who he's 107 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: the best guy on the field. I'll take that any day. 108 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: It as big as this dude is, yeah, he can 109 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,799 Speaker 1: handle the physicality. He would not be afraid of contact 110 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: at all. Let me ask you a question as we 111 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: get ready to play our first interview, Dave McGinnis give 112 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: us a quick explanation of who Cio Brocado was. Ceo Brocado. 113 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: It started out my first reference with him was when 114 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,239 Speaker 1: he was a coaching He was coaching at the University 115 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: of Texas at Arlington. He recruited me out of high 116 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: school to come to UTA because someone that went to 117 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: my high school went and played and one of his 118 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: better players good Texas named Billy Ray Stewart. Well, Billy 119 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: Ray played for CEO, and then CEO recruited me and 120 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: I said, no, you know, I'm going to the Southwest 121 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: Conference school. But you know, we had it. We had 122 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: a connection and so as we as we moved forward. 123 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: He got his first job with the Houston Oilers as 124 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 1: a scout, and then CEO would come through the schools. 125 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: CEO would always be the first scout, might come through 126 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: the building and know all the secretary's names and have 127 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: donuts for everybody, And all of a sudden, then when 128 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: he when you know, I was always in when I 129 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: was playing, I didn't know this, but he evaluated me. 130 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: Then when I was a graduate assistant, I was in 131 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: charge of the guys that would the pro scouts that 132 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: would come in, and all of a sudden, he'd say, hey, 133 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: you want to learn about what I'm looking for, sit 134 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: down and watch this. And so anyway, he has taught 135 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: so many He was an innovator in this in this 136 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: league as a scout and in his career. We're lucky 137 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: because we were around him. I coached, you know, on 138 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: the Titans when he was so I've known him for 139 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: a long time since my high school days. This guy 140 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: was an innovator in the in the field of scouting, 141 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: the three cone drill. Here his seal Racado is so 142 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: well known. When CEO really got sick, and I will 143 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: say this, he really got sick. Could not the first 144 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: combine he could not be at he he always had 145 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: the lead chair at the forty yard line. To time 146 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: when he was not here, they put an empty chair 147 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: at the forty yard line and everybody knew that was 148 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: for CEO. Safe to say that he has the biggest tree, 149 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: if you talk about like a coaching tree, he has 150 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,679 Speaker 1: the biggest scouting tree in NFL history. Very very fair 151 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: with that, and even people that aren't on teams, scouts 152 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: for teams, people that are now in the draft business 153 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: and one of the better young ones going that you know, 154 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: we sat We sat here with CEO. Yes, and I 155 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: think you're completely right. The roots and the branches of 156 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: his tree go very wide in this league. So that 157 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: will explain the first part of our conversation with one 158 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: of those great draft analysts who was CEO Brocado trained 159 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: our visit with the Athletics, Dame Breuthler. Right now on 160 00:08:52,960 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: the OTP Amy Wells, we are sitting across the table 161 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: from two guys who were trained by CEO Bracada coach 162 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: Dave McGinnis and Dane Brugler from the Athletic. You have 163 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: great company right there with you, and trust me, and 164 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: that is it is an absolute honor to be in 165 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: that company because, I mean, learning from CEO was something 166 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: that to this day still shapes how I watched football, 167 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: and it's it's the foundation of u for me as 168 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: an evaluator. So it's invaluable experience that you just can't replicate, 169 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: you know, Dane. I go back when I was playing 170 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: at TCU, CEO came through and was the one that 171 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: scouted me with my group, and so I have known 172 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: CEO since well, he even when I was getting ready 173 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: to choose a school, when he was coaching at the 174 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: University of Texas at Artis Arlington. He's a linebacker coach, 175 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: and so he came. But anyway, watching your work through 176 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: the years, you know, like I've done, and knowing CEO 177 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: as well as I've known him. I think I took 178 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: CEO to his last workout at TCU, you know when 179 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: he was you know, when we were losing him. I mean, 180 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: and it was just cel Brocado is and we were 181 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: talking earlier. Ceale Brocado should be in the Hall of Fame, 182 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: should be should be fame. But watching your work, you 183 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: can see CEO in it. Well I appreciate I mean 184 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: that that's That's the highest compliment you could give me. 185 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: If I didn't see it, I wouldn't tell you no. 186 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: And I mean I've told the story before, but just um, 187 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: it was the year that Andy Dalton was coming out 188 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: and um going to TCU's Pro day four CEO, stopping 189 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: in Arlington at his house on the way to go, 190 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: and just going through every single okay you know, uh, 191 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: Jeremy Curley and Andy Dalton and going through all these 192 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: players and how do he look? How what'd he do this? 193 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: And even then, even though he couldn't physically be there, 194 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: the questions he was he was asking like him he 195 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: mentally he was still sharp. He was still wanting to know, Okay, 196 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 1: what was the stance, what was he what kind of 197 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: routes was he running? Um? You know, Andy Dalton, how 198 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: was the ball coming off his and um, I mean 199 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: this is the the guy that created the three cone drill, 200 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: you know, those created the way we evaluate football. So um, 201 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: you know, just being I mean I only knew him 202 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: or got a chance to learn from him for a 203 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: couple of years, So it wasn't um, you know, extensive 204 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: period of time, but it was, well it was I 205 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: learned more from him than I did from you know, 206 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: most people said I knew him my whole career, my 207 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: whole career starting yet TCU. So anyway, see I was 208 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: a special man. You've been to his house. How about 209 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: all the stuff he had stacked, all the films and 210 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: when you walk into his house. Yeah, I mean it 211 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: was like horders, right, and you had tunnels, right, you 212 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: had to go through, and he had all kind of gear, 213 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, and there and then all all kind of tapes, 214 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: all tapes of every type, just stacked everywhere. Special special 215 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: dude in the car. Yeah, yeah, absolutely that that that 216 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: baby blue color and you know, his his daughter going 217 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: to the door, and his daughter, Uh, lets us in, 218 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm just navigating through everything and just 219 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: slip at her and she rolls her eyes, and you 220 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: know she she grew up with that. You know, she 221 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: knew her dad. And yeah, anyway, good stuff. We're gonna 222 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: pick your brain about offensive line, okay, because the Titans 223 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: have offensive line needs the most economical place to get 224 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: at least some, if not all, of the offensive lineman 225 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: that they need would be in this draft. A lot 226 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: of what we're seeing right now is them at eleven 227 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: taking a tackle do you see a match there for 228 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: the Titans that you like best? Well, I think you 229 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: look at the two tackles, and let's say Peter Scronsky 230 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: is a guard for this conversation, and I love Peter 231 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: Scronsky at Northwestern. I think he's the best offensive lineman 232 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: in this draft. Because of the arm length, a lot 233 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: of teams are going to move in the guard, and 234 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: I don't think that's necessarily, you know, a bad thing. 235 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: I think his best his highest ceiling at the NFL 236 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: level could be inside a guard. I think he could 237 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: be on a Zach Martin trajectory. He is that good. 238 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: But the two tackles, Broderick Jones from Georgia, Paris Johnson 239 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: from Ohio State. Uh, both these guys are future NFL starters. 240 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: And Roderick Jones has probably the highest ceiling. He's just 241 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: he's such an athletic player. Um, still learning in ways, 242 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 1: but he's so athletic. And then Paris Johnson moving over 243 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: from right guard to left tackle this year, he just 244 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: he's a natural left tackle. Um. You know I think 245 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: that you know, you don't see a lot of negative 246 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: reps on his tape when you when you study him, 247 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: give me a thumbnail of Paris Johnson if you would please, 248 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: he looks the part. I mean that's how you want 249 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: your left tackle to look. Um. I don't know that 250 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: he's necessarily an elite mover, but well more than good enough, 251 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: I mean above average with the way he moves. Um, 252 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: he can scoop out blocks. Um for a taller guy. 253 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: Scouts speak really highly about his uh intangibles, his intelligence. Um, 254 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: he's a really thoughtful guy. Um. You know he's an 255 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: All American this season for a reason with the way 256 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: he played protecting C. J. Stroud's blindside. And um, you 257 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: know that it's it's hard to hunt for apps on 258 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: film where he was beat You know, you just don't 259 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: see a lot of them. Maybe you watch the national 260 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: chant or the semifinal game of the Playoff. A Georgia 261 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: player would get him or here or there, but it 262 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: was rare for a team for a player just to 263 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: beat him straight up off the edge. Breakdown. Broderick Jones 264 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: the same way if you would play a super athlete 265 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: for that size, and you know, and look in the 266 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: offseason something he get down to two eighty five at 267 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: times because he's just a leaner athlete. But then he 268 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: put it back on. He's up to three fifteen. You know, 269 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: you watch him shoot baskets. He looks like a natural 270 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: basketball player with the way he moves out there. There 271 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: are times where you know he needs to get the 272 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: hands and the feet on the same page and technically 273 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: not where you want, but the ceiling where he could 274 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: be down the road. That gets you excited. So he's 275 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: a good player now, but you draft him in the 276 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: top fifteen because he could be a great player down 277 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: the road. I want to talk about Peter Scronsky again 278 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: a little bit because we see so many guys saying 279 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: I'm not a guard, I'm a tackle, and a lot 280 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: of that is because of the financial implication a tackle 281 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: can become in the National Football League. Is there anything 282 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: that he could do in the combine, at a pro day, 283 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: throughout this process to show teams that he's more of 284 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: a tackle or is this truly going to come down 285 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: to just body type and measurements and things like that. 286 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: That's what will come down too. And I think if 287 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: I'm Peter Scronsky, I'm just gonna say, hey, watch my tape. 288 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: I was a three year starter at left tackle, and uh, 289 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: I dominated you know, Rashawn Slater opted out of that 290 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: twenty twenty season for Northwestern. You know what's Northwestern are 291 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: gonna do at left tackle if they got this true 292 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: freshman coming in Peter Scronsky, who has the bloodlines. His 293 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: grandfather played for Vince Lombardi and the Packers when in 294 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: those first two Super bowls. Um, you know he was, 295 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: he was really groomed for this, uh, this opportunity. The 296 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: body type is he looks more like a guard, there's 297 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: no way around that. But I do hope he gets 298 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: the chance to stay outside a tackle because the processing, 299 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: the feet h and then just how detailed he is, 300 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: how how technically sound he is. That that's uh, I 301 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: think that give him a chance to stay at tackle. 302 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: If if a team get that opportunity, can we can 303 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: we do the same thing with some interior guys because 304 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: I've you know, the Titans need both. Yep. I mean 305 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: that's just that's just where they are. Osire's Torrents. Yeah. 306 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: You want a power guy, you know, a mall or 307 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna when he gets his hands on you, 308 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: it's over. And his his hands are I mean they're 309 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: over eleven inches, they're huge, huge, myths and so, um, 310 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: you know he's I really respect him because he was 311 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: highly thought of at Louisiana. After his junior year. He 312 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: didn't have to transfer. No, he could have stayed at 313 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: Louisiana and he would have been a top forty pick. 314 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: He wanted to challenge himself. He said, I'm gonna go 315 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: to the SEC. I'm gonna face SEC defensive lineman week 316 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: in week out. And uh he did, and he dominated. 317 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: He played really well, didn't give up a sac this year. Um, 318 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, the Florida offense was a little up and down, 319 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: but not right guard. Right guard. You knew what you 320 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: were getting every single day. And so if you if 321 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: you were looking for a you know, a really mobile 322 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: range player, he's maybe he's not the guy, but he's 323 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: more than athletic enough to do, you know, execute the 324 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: blocks that NFL offenses needs you to execute. So to me, 325 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: he's Osiris Torrance the top If Peter Scronsky is a tackle, 326 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 1: then Osiris Torrence is the top guard this year. Okay, 327 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: let's do this. Let's go to the other spectrum of it. 328 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: Now we're talking about a guy that moved from Louisiana 329 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: to the SEC let's talk about a smaller school guy 330 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: that Cody Mauk. Another guy who's just he's fun, fun 331 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: to watch and you know, talk about his backstory. He 332 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: was a walk on tight end at North North Dakota State. UM. 333 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: You know, you look at his background growing up on 334 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: a farm, and you know he's he's got it. Comes 335 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: from a big family and you know that that country 336 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: strong you talk about. I mean, that's that's what he is. 337 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: Played smaller football in high school, so he did a 338 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: little bit of everything. But he goes to North Dakota State, 339 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: puts on the weight, uh, you know, adds something like 340 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: seventy pounds UM, and he becomes a left tackle and 341 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: another guy that position will be interesting how teams look 342 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: at him because he's a little light in the the 343 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 1: lower body, doesn't have maybe the sand that you look 344 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: forward down below. But you know, he's really quick, he's 345 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: he's mean, loves to play the game, and so I 346 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: he might have the most versatility of this group. You know, 347 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: we don't play him center, guard, tackle. I wouldn't be 348 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: surprised if four years from now we look back and 349 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: he's the best center from this class. He has that 350 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: type of ability. So yeah, Cody mock Uh. You know, 351 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: the mentality is there, the ability is there. He's going 352 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: to be a good player, and I think he's well deserving. 353 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: I'm a top forty pick. As we've mentioned, the Titans 354 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: have multiple needs on the offensive line. It's not just 355 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: one role to fill. There are a couple different places 356 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: where they could use a little bit of help. Do 357 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: you think it is conceivable that the Titans are drafting 358 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: multiple offensive linemen for the future of this team in 359 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: one draft? There's no question, absolutely, And you know I 360 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: think that we could, you know, first two rounds. Why not? 361 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: You know, the goal of the draft is to build 362 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: your team, make it better who you know, and you 363 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: can make the argument that there will be no greater 364 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: impact on this roster than building in the unoffensive line, 365 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: so that I wouldn't be surprising at off we see 366 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: them double dip offensive line inside outside, you know, first round, 367 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: second round, third round. That that's I think that's definitely 368 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: a possibility. And you don't predetermine that going into the draft. 369 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: You know, I think that you see how the board 370 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: falls to you, but this is a I don't I 371 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: don't I wouldn't call it a strong offensive line group. 372 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: But there's definitely good players, but I don't know if 373 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: it's I wouldn't call it deep at those positions. So 374 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: if you have one that's there for you, and say 375 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: say they go offensive tackle in the first round, say 376 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: in the second round, maybe they're targeting like a playmaker, 377 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: say they want to get a wide receiver or someone 378 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: like that. But you know what, there's ay a really 379 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: an offensive lineman they have graded pretty highly, is there 380 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: for him. It be is hard to say no to 381 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,719 Speaker 1: that because you have to when the when an offensive 382 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: lineman's there, and especially in this draft, you got to pounce. 383 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: And I think the Titans could absolutely do. Though. Dane 384 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: Brugler from the Athletic I know he's a tight end, 385 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: but he has OH line size. How do you characterized 386 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: Darnell Washington from Georgia unicorn Ian? You just not many 387 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: guys that I tell you. He is the leanest two 388 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: hundred eighty pounds I've ever seen. I've been I look 389 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: at body dice for a living, you know, and it's 390 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: I've never seen a body type quite like him. He's 391 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the receiving production that you ideally want 392 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: at the college level, but The reason he didn't is 393 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: because he was too valuable as a blocker. He was 394 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: a sixth offensive lineman for that Georgia offense. And you know, 395 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: with Brock Bowers on that team at Georgio, you know, 396 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: why are you going to force feed Darnell Washington more 397 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: and more targets when the value he brings on the 398 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: offensive line as an inline player is so great that 399 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: you want to keep him there. So now what is 400 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: he in the NFL? Is that the same role as 401 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: you're going to be a true in line y tight end? Probably, 402 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: And I think that there is some untapped potential for 403 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: him as a pass catcher because when he is targeted, 404 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: he makes things happen. He has such I mean's so 405 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: humongous that he has a huge catching radius. Uh, you 406 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: love the body control. Um. You know he's you know 407 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: raw in some areas with his routes, but that's to 408 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: be expected from a young player. So he is he 409 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: as fascinating as a prospect, and it'll be really interesting 410 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: with this tight end group. It's so deep at the 411 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: top where we have four or five guys that belong 412 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: in the top fifty picks, and so where Darnell Washington 413 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: fits in that group will be really interesting. Let's go 414 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: back to the interior a minute, because, as you said, 415 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 1: and the Titans need to build this core group. Back 416 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: up Steve a La. I thought Steve really helped himself 417 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: this year as a senior and then at the Senior Bowl. Uh, 418 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,239 Speaker 1: you know he played a lot of center, and then 419 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: he moved on the left art this year. Um, you 420 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: know remind me a lot of Um. You know, Jonah 421 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: Jackson when he's coming out of Ohio State went to 422 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: the Lions. I think he's a third round pick and 423 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: he's been a really solid starter for them. I think 424 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: a Vela could be that type of guy. I love. 425 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: I love the way he sees things. Um, you know, 426 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: just talking to him, the way that you know that 427 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: he sees the field. Uh, he's a really smart guy. 428 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: You can you can tell that the just the way 429 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: the dots connect for him. Uh. He understands football geometry, 430 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: which we know is so important in the trenches when 431 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: you have to execute, you know your blocks and your fits. 432 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: So um, you know, I'm I'm a big fan of 433 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,959 Speaker 1: a Villa. I think he's he's another guard O Cyrus, Torrence, 434 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: Cody Mack, Steve a villa. All three of those guys 435 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: belong somewhere in those top fifty top sixty picks. Well, 436 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: we may as well just round it out then and 437 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: talk about John Michael Schmidt's the center from Minnesota. And 438 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, actually I like John Michael Schmitts. Um, Joe 439 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: Tipman from Wisconsin's actually my top center. Uh in this group. 440 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: Who is an underclassman. Uh. He's a little taller than 441 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: most centers, you know, six five and a half six six, 442 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: But talk about an athlete, a guy that is also 443 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: has that strength, I mean, what you would expect from 444 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: a Wisconsin offensive lineman. Um, but he could really move 445 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: I think he'll show that this week at the Combine. 446 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: He should test well. He should, you know, with the 447 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: movement skills, really show off what he can do. He's 448 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: a smart guy. Um. So I think Joe Tipman for 449 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: me is the top center this year, but John Michael 450 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: Schmitz is right behind him. I thought he if you 451 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: would have came out last year, he would have been 452 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: a top one hundred pick. Decided to go back for 453 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: a sixth year at Minnesota and had a pretty good year. 454 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: So he's I don't I don't know that I buy 455 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: the first round, but I think somewhere on day two 456 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: he's gonna be a really solid pick plug in play center. Um, 457 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: you know, he's just he's a He's a rock solid 458 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: player to me talking about these guys, and I'm glad, 459 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought Tipman up because I've got these 460 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: are just watching take These are the five guys that 461 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: I had here. And the only thing I questioned about 462 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: Tipman as as a center was the height. Yep. But 463 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: but he plays with great kneed man he does, and 464 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: he never gets over extended. So I mean, you can't 465 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: say one size fits all is right completely out of 466 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: it right. Well, and his movements, I think that's you know, 467 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: if you're gonna run an offense where you're gonna ask 468 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: your center to pool and get on the move, and 469 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: that's where he really factors in. That's where his he 470 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: separates himself. So but I know, I think you're exactly right. 471 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: The way that he can bend the leverage points. You 472 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: know he understands that. Um. But I also think he 473 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: gives you a little bit of versatility where if you 474 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: want to play him a guard, you want maybe even 475 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: a tackle. I think you know, he has that has 476 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: that ability. He played tackle in UH in high school, 477 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: and so just happened when he went to Wisconsin. They 478 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: you know Wisconsin, they cross train, you know. They they 479 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: want their guards to play centers and their centers to 480 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: play tackle, and you know they because they want to 481 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: get the best five on the field. And it just 482 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: happened that it worked out where Tittman was a center. 483 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: And but I think there is positional versatility there with him, 484 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: which I don't know that you can necessarily say with 485 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: a guy like Osiris torrants So I like quite a bit. 486 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: But he's a guard right exactly exactly, and so and 487 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: it was good to see Osirius Torrens at the Senior 488 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: Bowl play left guard because he was primarily a right guard. Um, 489 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: so it was good to see him play on the 490 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: left side. But yeah, he's a guard where um and 491 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: and a Vila maybe could play center. He's got center experience. 492 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: But tipman, I think gives you a little more position 493 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 1: flex Can you feel CEO sitting right here? Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, 494 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: that's uh learning from from him some of the things 495 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: that you know, just wow, I never thought of that, 496 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: or I never and I never thought to look at Uh, 497 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: you know, the joint flexibility or you know, like when 498 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: I was first getting started out. I mean he laid 499 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: the groundwork for things that my uneducated eyes weren't looking 500 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: for that you know now would just changed forever. How 501 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: I how I watch the game? Yeah, talk to me 502 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: about an offensive lineman that we haven't discussed so far 503 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: who helped himself a lot at the Reese's Senior Bowl. 504 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: He gotta mention Dwan Jones, the Ohio State Mammoth Ray tackle. Um, 505 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: and not just a Senior Bowl, but his entire senior year. Um. 506 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: This is a player who's from here and here in Indianapolis. 507 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: UM basketball player. You know, he thought he'd be in 508 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: the NBA one day, and I think it wasn't until 509 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: his junior year, senior year at Ohio State where he 510 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: finally you know, he's in his mind. He convinced himself 511 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: like you know what I'm I'm a football player through 512 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: and through and so uh, you know, I think once 513 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: that clicked on for him. You saw it on the 514 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: field with the movements, the way he can, uh just 515 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: dominate guys. And when you're built like that, where you're 516 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: six to eight and you've got these thirty six inch arms. 517 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: You know, obviously you've gotten a little bit of an advantage, 518 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: but you might also might not be the most nimble mover. 519 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: But he's able to compensate because of his body control 520 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: and his improved balance this year. So Dwan Jones, with 521 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,239 Speaker 1: the way he played this year as a senior at 522 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: right tackle and then at the Senior Bowl, surely helped himself. 523 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: Let's talk about somebody else that I thought and we 524 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: can all discuss this helped himself at the Senior Bowl. 525 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: It's Darnell right. Oh yeah, see ye, no, no, quite 526 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: another guy his You watch his junior tape and you know, 527 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: like this guy's a five star, like yeah, then you 528 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: watch his twenty twenty two stuff and you're blown away. 529 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: I mean he just because he moved yeah well yeah, right, 530 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 1: he was left tackle as a junior, moved a right 531 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: tackle for a senior year. You watch him against Alabama 532 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: and Willie Anderson. You watch him again, and he's he's 533 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: shutting these guys down, and I think it's just, you know, 534 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: he showed a better understanding of the biomechanics of his body, 535 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: how to sit down, stop, you know, really halt bull rushers. 536 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: You let his length work for him. So yeah, Darnell Wright, 537 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: no question, his senior year and then the way he 538 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: performed the Senior Bowl certainly a riser. He's put himself 539 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: in that first round discussion. All right, So let me 540 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: ask you this as we wind down. If the Titans 541 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: take an offensive leman in the first round, let's just say, 542 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: and then they're looking for a guy in day three 543 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: who might be a starter. Who's somebody like that that 544 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: you may find and say, oh wow, this guy can 545 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 1: really play and can help us right away. Yeah. Well, obviously, 546 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: if you know, if a guy's fall into the Day 547 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: three there's probably a reason for that. Um, but you know, 548 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: I think that you know, we can you can find 549 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,479 Speaker 1: value there. Trying to think the Michigan Center olu. Uh, 550 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, he's a guy that I don't know that 551 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,479 Speaker 1: he's gonna be a starter, but someone that you can 552 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: come in and he's gonna help your offensive line. Room. Um, 553 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: you know he's very smart technically sound. Um, I do 554 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: question just you know the power and that's why we're 555 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: talking about him as a day three pick. But uh, 556 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: you know he could be there in that mix. Um, 557 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: who do you got in day three? That you're Daniels 558 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: from Utah. The versatility with him, I think that's you 559 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: know he's to me is that's kind of the dude. Yeah. Well, 560 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: and I think you talk to the Utah coaches, they'll 561 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: tell you five position versatility. Uh, you know you want 562 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: to play a tackle guard? He can do that. So no, 563 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: that that's a that's a great call. Um. You know 564 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: Brandon Daniels, we didn't get a chance to him with 565 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Um, but I think he should show 566 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: well here like him best at uh. And I think 567 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: he played tackle, but I think he can play guard 568 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: too in the NFL, so that position flexes. Why third 569 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: fourth round? Yeah, he's definitely got to keep on the radar. 570 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: McClendon Curtis from Chattanooga. Yeah, I'm eager to see how 571 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: he moves out here, because that's that's a that's a 572 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: big dude. Uh, with the way he moves, natural power, Um, 573 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: you know, how how does he move compared to these 574 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: other guys. So he's gonna need some time, I think, 575 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: you know not, I don't think he's plugging play. I 576 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: don't think he's a guy that's gonna just step in 577 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: and be able to handle NFL pass rushers. But you 578 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: give him some time, you give you know he'd be 579 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: the perfect guy to develop. And the price tag on 580 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: him is probably you know, third fourth round. So um, 581 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: but I think you have to be realistic when you 582 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: know how long before he gets on the field. So um. 583 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: But you know, he's a good name to know, especially 584 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: with his story and the way he's come. You know 585 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: another basketball guy who you know kindly finally said okay, ye, 586 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: I'm a football player and is really bought in. Another 587 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: guy kind of liked and a kid just kept watching 588 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: And the more I watched the Moorrow I've liked him 589 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: is Jalen Duncan from Maryland. Yeah, you know, and he 590 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: moves really well. Uh that's I think the physical tools 591 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: are what you really like. Um. I'm just I wonder 592 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: if he might be better inside a guard because you know, 593 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: he's not the longest player the way he moves, but 594 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: I'd like him inside a guard where he put him 595 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: in his zone blocking scheme, let him let him kind 596 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: of show off, what what separates him? I think he's 597 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: a player that My biggest worry with him. Watching his 598 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two tape, his worst games were against the 599 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: best opponent Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State. That worries me 600 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: with him where you know, that's where he struggled. But 601 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: I think you know, if you're looking third, fourth round, 602 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: you know that's the you want to bet on a 603 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: guy with those types of physical traits. How long could 604 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: you two just sit in a dark room and watch 605 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: tape and just go back and forth. Oh, there's there's 606 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: nothing better. I mean, that's as well as I said, 607 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: we can feel CEO right here. See I was in 608 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: many a lot of draft rooms with the CEO during 609 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: my coaching career, you know. And I mean and then 610 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: on the road, even when I was coaching different places, 611 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, we would sit and talk. The great thing 612 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: about CEO Pracado was he made you justify your thoughts. Yeah, 613 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: he made you justify your thoughts. And he would and 614 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: he would, you know. And when we were working on 615 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: with the same team, there were times when you know, 616 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: as in readings in draft rooms. In draft rooms, you 617 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,239 Speaker 1: can't read, you can't talk about a player unless you've 618 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: written a report, and you can't write a report unless 619 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: you've done five tapes. And then you also have to 620 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,719 Speaker 1: have points within the tape where you could prove what 621 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: you're saying. And many of times after we'd break he'd say, hey, 622 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: come down here, show me what all right, let me 623 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: ask you both this question. Jalen Carter, defensive tackle Georgia, 624 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: has been charged with reckless driving leaving the scene of 625 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: an accident, pretty serious thing, in a fatal crash that 626 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: he was not specifically involved in, but he was there. Apparently, 627 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: you first Dane and then you coach. How much does 628 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: this affect his draft stock? You know, it's a lot 629 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: has been made of you know, quote unquote character character 630 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: concerns with him, and you know, I've talked about scouts 631 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: about it, and you know, he's it's the same. He's 632 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: a young guy, you know he there are certain times 633 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: where Kirby had to write him a little bit sure, 634 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: but I think you could say that about um, you know, 635 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: most of the younger players in this draft that are 636 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: twenty years old, twenty one years old. Now, you know, 637 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: obviously this is a little bit different situation. We're talking 638 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: about away from the field, away from the football facility 639 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: that uh, you know is going to make teams maybe 640 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: you know, question the decision making. And this is where 641 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: you just have to do your homework and find out 642 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: more about the player and more about the person and 643 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,959 Speaker 1: understand is this uh you know, get more details and 644 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: so you know it's it does. Cloud thinks there's no doubt, 645 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: but um, you know, I think I don't think it's 646 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: gonna make teams say, oh, well, we're not gonna draft him. 647 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: It's just gonna make him dig harder and get more 648 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: information just to find out, Okay, if we draft you, 649 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: because he's gonna go somewhere in the top five picks. 650 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: If we're gonna drafting the top five, can we trust you? 651 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: Are you a guy that we're gonna worry about when 652 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: you leave the facility. They just need to be comfortable 653 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: with the answers they get during the interview process. And 654 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: that's why for Jalen Carter, this week and the rest 655 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: of the draft process is gonna be so big because 656 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: it just comes down to the interviews and convincing teams, 657 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: just selling himself and say yeah, I'm someone you can 658 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: rely on, and so an incident like this is gonna 659 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: make them question that. But he's gonna have every opportunity 660 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: to be in front of teams and really put his 661 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: best foot fall. That's that's the exact correct answer, because 662 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: you want to find out how he represents himself, and 663 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: you're going to question him and ask him explain this, 664 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: explain this, and then try to figure out how honest 665 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: he is with you. That's that's what will happen here. 666 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: That will happen here because as Mike has said, this 667 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: has just come out, so's it'll be a topic. It 668 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: will be a topic within his evaluation. Kane Brugler, glad 669 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: you're feeling better. Enjoy reading all your stuff in the athletic. 670 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: It's so great, and we certainly take pride in you 671 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: because you're sort of a relative with your Ceol Brocado experience, 672 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: knowing what he means to our organization and to the 673 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: entire NFL. So thank you so much for your time anytime. 674 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad it really worked out. You and dadon 675 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: Brugler had a very good rapport. Coach Mac Well, what 676 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: I was saying, you could feel CEO right there, and 677 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: and Ceo, look, I've known him all my life and 678 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: then when I started working professionally with him, you know, 679 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: he would come through. And then I mean in the 680 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: draft room I've had you know, arguments with Seal Bricado 681 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: about players, and he would make you justify your picks. 682 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: Justify your pick to me, and if you see it differently, 683 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: just just a fight to me. He made me a 684 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: much better scout. There's two guys that have influenced my 685 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: draft analysis ability over all these years, Cial Bricado and 686 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: Bill Tobin. I mean, because those two guys knew how 687 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,479 Speaker 1: to do it. Bill Tobin built the Bears, the great 688 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: you know, the great, the great Bears, Cial Bricado. But 689 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: when you went to a workout across the league, across 690 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: the collegiate landscape, after this is over, a school visit 691 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 1: and CEO showed up, everybody there backed away. And however, 692 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: CEO wants to run this school visit. That's the way 693 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 1: we're going to run it. Great man, great man. And 694 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: you were very familiar with him, Oh yes, I mean 695 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: right there in that building, and you know we miss him. 696 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: But very important to this league, all right. So how 697 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 1: would you describe our next guest? Cynthia Freeland? Way smarter 698 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 1: than me, That's why you would start. That's probably where 699 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: I would start. She is is so much fun to 700 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: watch on television. She's and I feel like She's everywhere 701 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: throughout NFL Network. They've got her on every program, it 702 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: feels like. But she is someone who in the last 703 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: couple of years has really come on to the scene 704 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: and is able to explain some of the most complicated 705 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,919 Speaker 1: topics in a way that makes them incredibly easy to understand, 706 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: especially if you're not a numbers person. Mike Keith, you're 707 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: a numbers person, so you guys really get along very well. 708 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: Cynthia Freeland and the things that she's able to do 709 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: with math and with numbers, and with analytics and with 710 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,399 Speaker 1: sports betting and with all of these different things. I mean, 711 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: sports is a very mathematical business. She is able to 712 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: explain it in a way that's a entertaining, b is 713 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,320 Speaker 1: easy to understand, and I just really like her. Yeah, 714 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: she's pretty great on NFL Network. She's the numbers lady. 715 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: Is that the way we would put it. The analytics 716 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 1: she is the numbers lady, and she is very good 717 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: at what she does. I was dying to have Coach 718 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: Mac visit with Cynthia Freeland and it was great. It 719 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,959 Speaker 1: was great. You immediately had a bond with her. Coach 720 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: I was very impressed. I met her again this morning. 721 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: You met her again this morning? Yeah, I mean didn't 722 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: you just run into her again? I met once? No, No, 723 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: I mean she's not forgetting coach mac oh, but we had. 724 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: I mean she's brilliant. She is brilliant, but she's also 725 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: very very and Amy put it very very well. She 726 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: can explain things that are extremely extremely detailed and complicated 727 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: maybe from the jump. I mean, she's brilliant. I'm so impressed, 728 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,439 Speaker 1: so impressed with Ran Carthon and Chad Brinker in the building. Now, 729 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: some things are changing about the Titans and analytics and 730 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: John Robinson had embraced them a good bit more later 731 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: in his tenure and so that's been ramping up for 732 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: some time and will continue to ramp up. And that 733 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,439 Speaker 1: makes this visit with Cynthia Freeland I think even more 734 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: top of mind. And it's just great to visit with 735 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: her anyway. Centthia Freeland from NFL Network on the o 736 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 1: TP Centthia Freeland, NFL Network Numbers Guru sounds better with 737 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: the southern accent. Doesn't do it again? Thank you, Yes, 738 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: NFL Network Numbers. I need that on my like, can 739 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: you be my voicemail my absolute Yeah, a hundred percent. 740 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: Can do that. Thanks for joining us, Thank you for 741 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: having me, Thank you for she met us last year 742 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: and she's actually come back where we're very surprised. Yes, 743 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: thank goodness. All right, So I was watching you the 744 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: other night. I'm thinking, yeah, you're a Cynthia, but you 745 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,359 Speaker 1: could be a SINDI. I was a Cindy for like 746 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: the first eighteen years of my life, okay. And then 747 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: I went to Boston College and there and I was 748 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: I'm from I'm from East Lansingers, right, And I went 749 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: to BC and that was in these large you know, 750 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: everyone wants to be a doctor a freshman year, so 751 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: here like bio one on one or whatever. And I 752 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: wasn't going to raise my hand with a hundred people 753 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: like actually it's Cindy because I was too scared. So 754 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: now are you are? Are you still Cindy to some people? 755 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: To some people, yeah, yeah, family, Yeah, mostly I would 756 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: say a lot of sin, like okay, quickly sin, you know, 757 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: like like it's yeah, you know, it goes by the way. Well, 758 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: now that we've got that important thing out, we've just 759 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 1: hired Ran Carthon as the general manager. Have you his personality? 760 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 1: Great love love, Yeah, he's fantastic. All right, So he 761 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: has talked a lot about analytics, and he's just hired 762 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: Chad Brinker from the Green Bay Packers assistant GM who 763 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: has his own programs in analytics. For the listeners of 764 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: the OTP, could you give us an example of what 765 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: a football analytic is. Okay, so here's here's I'm gonna 766 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: use it this again to sound nuts, but we'll get 767 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: back to football. Okay. You know when you're like in 768 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: a different city and you you're like, I gotta go 769 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: to dinner in Indianapolis and this my GPS and I 770 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,359 Speaker 1: push in ways or and it gives you options, right, 771 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: It gives you one with a toll road, it gives 772 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: you one with maybe two minutes longer but no toll role. 773 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: And then it gives you the one where you don't 774 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: have to make that like haywire or left turn this 775 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: little scary so you get three different options. All it's 776 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: doing is giving you options, and you still have to 777 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: choose as a human being. And by the way, it 778 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: can't sometimes it doesn't know there's an accident along what 779 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: right it is hasn't updated yet, So really, what what 780 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: what is going on in football analytics? And the word 781 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: the A word is overused. I don't know what it 782 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: means anymore, and I have a degree in it. So 783 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: the reality is is what you're doing is trying to 784 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: increase your decision making by just a little percent. Remember 785 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: you have what seventy plays in a game. If you're 786 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 1: getting ten percent better, how many times has something come 787 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 1: down to seven plays in a game? A lot? Like 788 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: every week? So what you're doing is you are taking 789 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 1: All you're doing is you're organizing your neutral brain. So 790 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: right now, we're pretty neutral, right, Like, okay, you know 791 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: it's like it's not third and seventeen and your quarterback 792 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: didn't just get sacked three times in a row and 793 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 1: you have to throw the darn football like you're not. 794 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 1: There's no your amygdala's all. We're chill, no fight or flight, 795 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: right So you you can write out what you would 796 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 1: do in these chill situations right now, and you can 797 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: go through with your team. Hey, this is our prep, 798 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: this is how we're doing. That's the little map that 799 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: you do. So when you're in the it's third and 800 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: seventeen and you dial up your thing, you're gonna make 801 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: just a tiny bit quality better decision, a tiny bit beat. 802 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 1: So you do it about plays or about players. It's 803 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: just a strategy beforehand that you that in the heat 804 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,720 Speaker 1: of the moment, you know what you would you Basically, 805 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,320 Speaker 1: you're saying to myself, this is what I would do 806 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: if I was neutral, and you're giving yourself that playbook 807 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: for later. It's not it's not prescriptive. It doesn't say 808 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,879 Speaker 1: this has You're not a robot, right, You're what you're 809 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: doing is you're making just a slightly better, slightly better decision. 810 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: How do you use it with players? So with players, 811 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,359 Speaker 1: you say the goal of analytics is to get It's like, look, 812 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: we all know who the good players are, and we 813 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: all know who the bad players are. There's a lot 814 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: of people who are average in between. That's the law 815 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: of averages. And what you really want to do is 816 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: you want to find those players that are kind of 817 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,839 Speaker 1: in the middle. But in my system, oh they're better 818 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: than in the middle. Right, So I find my kind 819 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: of guy. What does that mean? I need a guy. 820 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: Some teams don't play with a fullback, other teams do. 821 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: If you use that, some teams use heavier sets, so 822 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: you need a different type of tight end. This is 823 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: a really good strong tight end class. But some of 824 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 1: them are different. Some of them are more pass catchers 825 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 1: and others are blockers. Not everyone's kind of everything. Right, 826 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: So you have to say, I need you to do this, 827 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,719 Speaker 1: and in my system, your skill set is better than 828 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: in another system a team. If I'm playing for the Titans, 829 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,760 Speaker 1: it's a totally different look than the Kansas City Chiefs, 830 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 1: totally different strategy. So you need to your my you 831 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: need to fit my system. I need to identify the 832 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: trades and a player that fit my system. So when 833 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 1: we're talking about analytics, we are not talking about some 834 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: nebulous No, it's not black strategy whatever. This is an 835 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,799 Speaker 1: organization of information. It's just or and it's organizing your 836 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: own information. Okay, Right, Like I'm sitting next to a 837 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: coach right here, Coach Matt, what is okay other than 838 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 1: kneel down victory formation? Sir, what's your favorite play in football? 839 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,399 Speaker 1: It depends on the situation. I mean it seriously does 840 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: and it depends on the situation. Yeah, and here's what 841 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: I want. Here's what The things that you do are fascinating. 842 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 1: And I've been doing this for a long time. I 843 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 1: don't understand the resistance it's you know what it is 844 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 1: because here, where does that come from. There's a couple 845 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 1: of things, there's a lot, there's there's a lot of 846 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: BS analytics people because it's really we all get we 847 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,279 Speaker 1: get frustrate. Look, look, every every human being gets frustrated 848 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 1: when like you're not listened to or not hurt. And 849 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: by the way, it's not new analytics. It's what you 850 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,479 Speaker 1: need to have is and often a lot of people 851 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 1: who are Matthey like me, were not always extroverts or 852 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 1: the best at like I'm an introvert that has trained 853 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: myself to be an extrovert. Right, So what what you 854 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: have to do is you have to watch yourself. Being 855 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,879 Speaker 1: on TV is actually very helpful because I can watch 856 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: myself be like, oh that was cringeworthy, Like don't do 857 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,360 Speaker 1: that again. Right, But when you're when you're giving your 858 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: analytics present, you get nervous, so you get whatever, and 859 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: the coaches like just spit it out, and everyone wants 860 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: things fast, and you you it's so sometimes and so 861 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 1: it's very easy to get lazy with it and be 862 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 1: like that one's better. Why But because the analytics say so, see, 863 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,799 Speaker 1: And that's a great explanation because as long as I've 864 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 1: done this, which right, thirty seven years in this league, 865 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: you know, coach for thirty one every time it's good. 866 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: You started at five, so I started five years older. 867 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: So infect the when when this thing, when this thing 868 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 1: comes in, I had never understood. And you know, I 869 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 1: was way old school when I started, because that's the 870 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,320 Speaker 1: way it was. I don't under I have never understood 871 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 1: the resistance to it. So with organizations, I'd never have 872 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,399 Speaker 1: understood the resistance to it. Because but I think your 873 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:18,120 Speaker 1: explanation out there in the general ether zone is not 874 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: what people think as to what you're saying. So do 875 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: you know that the reason that I even got into 876 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: this was because of Russ Grim and when he was 877 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 1: when he was an O line coach at the tendency, 878 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,360 Speaker 1: tame us very well. He told me there was nothing 879 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: I could do that would ever be useful to him. 880 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 1: He said that, Yeah, great, which doesn't surprise me. No, 881 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 1: how did this come up? Yeah, we're sitting there, We're 882 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 1: sitting at the Good Combine. A lot of years ago, 883 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,280 Speaker 1: when I was still in sort of in finance and 884 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: I was I learned how to code, I thought maybe 885 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: i'd get into like cap right, so I wrote computer 886 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: code because you're just doing a lot faster than like 887 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,840 Speaker 1: manually going through everything. And you, by the way, you 888 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: remember things. If you organize data, you can remember it 889 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,279 Speaker 1: either turns out, so if you stay organized, it's a 890 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 1: little easier. And I was like, there's got to be something. 891 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: I was like, what's what's the biggest What's like something 892 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: that's very hard for you to figure out. He's like, 893 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: who's a waste beender? There were I'm trying not to 894 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 1: swear because rest was a little headsome bleep bleeps in 895 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 1: the Yeah, so I'm trying to like quote him, but 896 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: to anyway, So we were talking and I was like, 897 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,799 Speaker 1: I'm going to figure out how to tell you who 898 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,720 Speaker 1: a waste spender is. So I spent my entire rest 899 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 1: of my master's thesis. Let's let's make clear to the 900 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 1: listeners waste bender. That's what you're saying. Yeah, So basically, 901 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 1: who has unfavorable leverage for an alignment? Like if you 902 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 1: stand up too high then you get your knees to it. 903 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,840 Speaker 1: Just you're not good for your quarterback, right, so you 904 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 1: need you need someone who can stay low. That's That's 905 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 1: all I want. He wanted to figure out. So it 906 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: was pretty it's the rest of my master's thesis. He 907 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,840 Speaker 1: owes me a lot of money. I'm still paying my 908 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 1: student loans of RUSS Are you listening. I need some 909 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,239 Speaker 1: I need that student loans. Please collect it seriously. But 910 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,839 Speaker 1: I what I figured out was there are a few 911 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,359 Speaker 1: things that help determine if a lineman I couldn't figure 912 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,240 Speaker 1: out for a center because it's very hard to measure 913 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: them with computer vision whatever. But wastebenders their first ten 914 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 1: yards split of their forty, they can keep their butts 915 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,960 Speaker 1: within like a two inch rage. It's it's insane how 916 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: accurate it is. It's insane. But it took me a 917 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: it took me a lot of money, time and effort. 918 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,440 Speaker 1: Like but see before you before you put all of 919 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,160 Speaker 1: the analytics to it, I mean I've watched I've been 920 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,440 Speaker 1: at every combine, and you watched the ten yards and 921 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 1: that it makes sense as to what you're saying when 922 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: you start to look at and I mean, and you know, 923 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,680 Speaker 1: but the way you explain that, if you can do 924 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 1: it mathematically, which a lot of us can't, Uh, why 925 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 1: not at least look at it. So here's here's the thing. Yeah, 926 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: you knew at that at that combine, it was Jack Conklin. 927 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,320 Speaker 1: You knew Jack Conklin was going to be good. He 928 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 1: he was not a waste spender in college. His Michigan 929 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,279 Speaker 1: State film showed it, and then he didn't hit his 930 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,360 Speaker 1: first The first ten split also proved it. But the 931 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,799 Speaker 1: thing that was interesting going back is those guys who 932 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,479 Speaker 1: are those average guys, but they can keep their butt down, 933 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,920 Speaker 1: they turn out to be better because you know the 934 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:13,400 Speaker 1: good you already knew Jack Hunt. Yeah, but there you go. 935 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: But this is why we have run in the show. 936 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 1: We don't say butts near enough on the podcast. Just 937 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 1: a note for everybody. And that's why she's here. You win, 938 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 1: You've won the prize, and that's that's why that's why 939 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: she's owed money. But really, you can apply this to 940 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,399 Speaker 1: so many different aspects of this game, not just from 941 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,960 Speaker 1: a strategy standpoint, but from a player evaluation standpoint, which 942 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 1: is what we're all doing here right now. Is this 943 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,400 Speaker 1: something that is around the NFL and we just don't 944 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,800 Speaker 1: hear about it, or is this kind of a new 945 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,640 Speaker 1: it's not anology is not the right word, but a 946 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 1: new concept. So the technology has empowered us to do 947 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,960 Speaker 1: it a bit faster because before for it was very manual. 948 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 1: You have to watch all these guts. Now what you 949 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 1: can do is instead you can say, hey, I want 950 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,200 Speaker 1: to to check out all of the potential right tackles right, 951 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,640 Speaker 1: and I already know Jack Conklin's good. I know this 952 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,400 Speaker 1: is a long time ago my example, but you know 953 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 1: it's like it's like, instead of instead of going through thirty, 954 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,440 Speaker 1: you tell me you want a guy who has a 955 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 1: lot of experience against you know, in run blocking situations. 956 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: They've played a lot of you know, against a lot 957 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,719 Speaker 1: of really good edge whatever. You give me the formula 958 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,160 Speaker 1: exactly whole thing, and then I can give you instead 959 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 1: of looking through thirty, here's five. Here's five and start 960 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,400 Speaker 1: with these and if you don't like these, we'll go 961 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 1: back to the drawing board. But let's make it easier 962 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,960 Speaker 1: on ourselves. And the technology has enabled us to do 963 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,839 Speaker 1: it faster. So as data has become more and more available, 964 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 1: useful and like prevalent around the entire NFL and also 965 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,520 Speaker 1: at the college level, and you can use that data more. 966 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,200 Speaker 1: And all it is is it's you know, like in 967 00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:56,360 Speaker 1: the light when we used to have to go to 968 00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:57,920 Speaker 1: the library and you go to like the Dewey decimal 969 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,399 Speaker 1: system like Nature books that way, you know, like that's 970 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: all analytics is. Instead of going through the whole library 971 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,680 Speaker 1: and be like I don't know where to start, you 972 00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,920 Speaker 1: get a little bit of like a it's just like, 973 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,080 Speaker 1: let's narrow down all of the work you have to 974 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,440 Speaker 1: do it work smarter, not more, right, Like, let's use 975 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,839 Speaker 1: the technology to narrow down the field of options. So 976 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: I'm deciding between five things instead of thirty, you know, 977 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,640 Speaker 1: on multiple choice tests when you're like on the SAT, 978 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,839 Speaker 1: they're like, if you can just guess, if you can, 979 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,920 Speaker 1: there's five, narrow it down. Now you've gone from a 980 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,920 Speaker 1: twenty if you have five options to twenty percent, thirty 981 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,719 Speaker 1: three and a third. Now I've just increased my odds 982 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,879 Speaker 1: of guessing, right, right, that's all you're doing. That's beautiful. Yeah, 983 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,720 Speaker 1: I'm trying to make it easy. I think so much harder. 984 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:43,000 Speaker 1: Cynthia here, but thank you for that. My brain is smoking. Okay, 985 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,400 Speaker 1: that's sorry, I love it. Well, we've got to let 986 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,839 Speaker 1: her go, though, I know I'll come. I'll come back 987 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: any you'll come back an Cynthia NFL network number and 988 00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 1: butts Well, okay, God she can say, you're gonna drop 989 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,400 Speaker 1: that on Rachel Bannette on, by the way, the greatest 990 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,560 Speaker 1: greatest duo in television right now outside of Shack and 991 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,880 Speaker 1: Charles Barkley. Oh you know that's huge. Yes, yes, I do. 992 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,520 Speaker 1: I mean it's it is fantastic television. Thanks so much 993 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,200 Speaker 1: for George. Appreciate you guys, Thanks for having me. Great stuff. 994 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 1: It's halftime of the OTP presented by Duncan. Duncan has 995 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,480 Speaker 1: a new rewards program, Amy, what do you think it's 996 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,399 Speaker 1: called rewards. It's just Duncan rewards, that's right. And these 997 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,440 Speaker 1: are rewards you can really use. No, really, I'm not kidding. 998 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:43,400 Speaker 1: Even though I'm a kidder. Save them, save them, big 999 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:48,359 Speaker 1: kidder does it. It does right here, Save them, stack them, 1000 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,520 Speaker 1: use them, however you want, use the free points to 1001 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,080 Speaker 1: get a donut, a free coffee, a breakfast sandwich, an 1002 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,600 Speaker 1: ice latte for Rhett Brian to say, yes, sir, Rhett, 1003 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,960 Speaker 1: thanks for sitting in on another edition of the OTP 1004 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,719 Speaker 1: that you won't be compensated for joint trying today on 1005 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,040 Speaker 1: the Duncan app and start saving and stacking your way 1006 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,640 Speaker 1: to free. Duncan America runs on Duncan terms apply. Boy, 1007 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,399 Speaker 1: Duncan got their money's worth with that one. Duncan gets 1008 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:21,320 Speaker 1: their money's worth on the OTP. That was phenomenal, solid effort, 1009 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:26,360 Speaker 1: solid read, solid read. I think about as we moved 1010 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,200 Speaker 1: to the last segment of this edition of the OTP 1011 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,359 Speaker 1: from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, you think about 1012 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,480 Speaker 1: the great writers of the NFL, and Rick Goslin from 1013 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:42,600 Speaker 1: Dallas is your friend and so good, and Dan Pompeii 1014 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,920 Speaker 1: from Chicago is so good, and I mean, you've just 1015 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,000 Speaker 1: known so many of them over the years, and they 1016 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:53,360 Speaker 1: don't realize what they mean to us commoners, your royalty 1017 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 1: because you have coached in the league for a long 1018 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,040 Speaker 1: time and you know everybody, and you have those sorts 1019 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,680 Speaker 1: of relationships to those of us who didn't start our 1020 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,560 Speaker 1: professional lives in the NFL, or really and you worked 1021 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,759 Speaker 1: your way up. I'm not intimating that you didn't, but 1022 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,680 Speaker 1: it seems so far away if you lived in Tennessee 1023 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,839 Speaker 1: and to get to read people in the sports illustrated 1024 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,440 Speaker 1: in the Sporting News, whatever, they brought you closer to 1025 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,920 Speaker 1: a game that you thought was like a solar system away. 1026 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,759 Speaker 1: And as the team got to Tennessee. It all became real, 1027 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,160 Speaker 1: and so it's funny when you see and meet these 1028 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,319 Speaker 1: people now, it kind of flips you out a little bit. 1029 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,759 Speaker 1: And one of the people I'm talking about is Judy Bautista. 1030 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,040 Speaker 1: She wrote for Newsday, she wrote for the New York Times, 1031 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,839 Speaker 1: and then she's been with NFL Media for almost ten 1032 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:50,520 Speaker 1: years now. One of the best from the jump, incredible sources, 1033 00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,200 Speaker 1: great stories. Another brilliant person. By the way. Yeah, she's 1034 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,640 Speaker 1: not a little bit smart, she's a lot a lot smart. Yeah. Well, 1035 00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,720 Speaker 1: we had a chance to visit with Judy Battista, and uh, 1036 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,040 Speaker 1: it was pretty thrilling for me because I have been 1037 00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:07,400 Speaker 1: reading Judy Battista now for over thirty years. I mentioned 1038 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,919 Speaker 1: that to her and she slapped me. Yes, she did 1039 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,440 Speaker 1: not love that. Actually, I think she's okay. Maybe you 1040 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,640 Speaker 1: should use Dunkan rewards on her. Yeah, I bought her 1041 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:22,000 Speaker 1: a coffee. Actually that's not true. I'm a kidder. She 1042 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,200 Speaker 1: was just lovely. She was. She was exactly what I 1043 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:31,960 Speaker 1: hope she would be, very cool and very appreciative that 1044 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,719 Speaker 1: people had had read her work over the years and 1045 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,600 Speaker 1: that it had brought them into the game. When I 1046 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,480 Speaker 1: was not working in the NFL meant a lot, and 1047 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,680 Speaker 1: then as I got into the NFL, those people meant 1048 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,279 Speaker 1: even more because you're in the process of figuring out 1049 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,279 Speaker 1: what am I doing here? It was very different from 1050 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,920 Speaker 1: college and and that's and that's obvious. So Judy Battista 1051 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,480 Speaker 1: from the NFL Network and NFL Media took the time 1052 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,640 Speaker 1: to stop by talk some topics and here she is 1053 00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:08,160 Speaker 1: on the o T Judy Batista, I guess technically from 1054 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,759 Speaker 1: NFL media, is that how we say? I think that's 1055 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,120 Speaker 1: probably the parent twenty thirteen. Most of us know you 1056 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,840 Speaker 1: from Newsday and then the New York Times, though that 1057 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,800 Speaker 1: was a long time ago. Now almost ten years. Wow. 1058 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:26,440 Speaker 1: Some of us are a little older. Some of us 1059 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:31,040 Speaker 1: might fanboy out because when we were not with an 1060 00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,799 Speaker 1: NFL team, we read all of the things that you 1061 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:39,359 Speaker 1: wrote for years, and then when you became national, having 1062 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,200 Speaker 1: a chance to follow what you've did, you have You've 1063 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,400 Speaker 1: seen a lot in thirty plus years. Wow, now I 1064 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,799 Speaker 1: feel old. But yes, all right, what do you put 1065 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,960 Speaker 1: it that where it's like cheeze? Yeah, the NFL has 1066 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:55,319 Speaker 1: changed this event as like is insane? How different this is? Now? 1067 00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,960 Speaker 1: I want you to take I'm gonna follow here. Amy 1068 00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,839 Speaker 1: Wells is sitting right here. Look, kid, all of the 1069 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,560 Speaker 1: women I mean here in sort of the team pit 1070 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,320 Speaker 1: over on the radio side, where it's it's local radio stations, 1071 00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,920 Speaker 1: the TV people that are here, the TV people that 1072 00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,799 Speaker 1: you work with. There are females in personnel offices. There 1073 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,760 Speaker 1: are females on coaching staffs. We have one with the Titans. 1074 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,960 Speaker 1: Can you believe it in a way based on your 1075 00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,680 Speaker 1: start and how you were probably one of about four. Yeah, 1076 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,920 Speaker 1: there weren't too many. To me. The most amazing thing 1077 00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,080 Speaker 1: is the women on the personnel side and on the 1078 00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,239 Speaker 1: coaching side, Because I frankly wasn't sure that was ever 1079 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,120 Speaker 1: going to happen. That took a lot of effort. I mean, 1080 00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,719 Speaker 1: it takes people like Ron Rivera and Brian Aball and 1081 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,759 Speaker 1: like free Ball who like give women coaches the opportunity. 1082 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,759 Speaker 1: That was something I wasn't sure it was going to happen. 1083 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,200 Speaker 1: There were always a few women in the media, obviously 1084 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,399 Speaker 1: many many more now and still not enough. Yeah, fair enough. 1085 00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:01,560 Speaker 1: I agree with she's said, I'm still sitting here, so well, 1086 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,239 Speaker 1: that's okay, Mike. You're very nice. See we keep you 1087 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,200 Speaker 1: around just for fun. But happening here in Indianapolis. Just 1088 00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,360 Speaker 1: speaking of women, there's the NFL Women's Forum that's happening 1089 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,720 Speaker 1: right now. That's a great initiative by the National Football 1090 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,960 Speaker 1: League to try and incorporate more women and give them 1091 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,560 Speaker 1: the opportunity to kind of get in those spaces and 1092 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,240 Speaker 1: meet other people who are having these jobs that aren't 1093 00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,239 Speaker 1: just in media but are in personnel and opts and 1094 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,120 Speaker 1: things like that. How great is that initiative and kind 1095 00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,440 Speaker 1: of perpetuating pushing the cause. I guess yeah. I actually 1096 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,880 Speaker 1: stopped by one of it, one of those events yesterday, 1097 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,160 Speaker 1: and it was there was a panel discussion of women 1098 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,759 Speaker 1: who are in coaching and on the personal side, and 1099 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,000 Speaker 1: all the women in the audience were like working in 1100 00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,880 Speaker 1: those kinds of similar roles in the colleges. That I 1101 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,080 Speaker 1: was sort of like, Wow, there's that many women working 1102 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,520 Speaker 1: in the college game. You know, that was impressive and 1103 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,920 Speaker 1: you know, and trying to find the avenue in like 1104 00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,120 Speaker 1: where does your career path go? You know, But I 1105 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,560 Speaker 1: was sort of taking back by how many women there were, 1106 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,239 Speaker 1: because again we're on the media side, so we see 1107 00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,480 Speaker 1: the media part of it most of all. In like, 1108 00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,400 Speaker 1: you know, you sort of know one or two like 1109 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,759 Speaker 1: coach Low and you know, but to see those sort 1110 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,640 Speaker 1: of numbers who are coming up, that was impressive and hopeful. 1111 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,640 Speaker 1: And Judy, you mentioned her right there. Laurie Locus, the 1112 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,880 Speaker 1: newest one of the newest coaching hires by by Mike 1113 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:27,360 Speaker 1: Rabelin's Titans staff, was on that panel. She seems well 1114 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,760 Speaker 1: received wherever she is, already has a huge profile and 1115 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:36,480 Speaker 1: level of respect. Yeah, I covered her. I wrote a story, Um, well, 1116 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,000 Speaker 1: it's a few years ago now about how incredibly diverse 1117 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,480 Speaker 1: Bruce Arian's staff was at the Bucks. When he got 1118 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,840 Speaker 1: to the Bucks, Laurie was on that staff. They have 1119 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:52,760 Speaker 1: a female trainer who actually has a much better title 1120 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,080 Speaker 1: than trainer. It's more exalted. She's got much more power 1121 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,680 Speaker 1: and influence than that. And then he had a number 1122 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,320 Speaker 1: of black coaches on the staff. But so I've known 1123 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,600 Speaker 1: Laurie since then then, like like I'm impressed with her sticktuitiveness, 1124 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,320 Speaker 1: Like because I think that's what if you're a woman 1125 00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,080 Speaker 1: in that part of the business, Like you really have 1126 00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,360 Speaker 1: to want to do it, because I am sure right, 1127 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,760 Speaker 1: it's not a smooth career path and like there's just 1128 00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,880 Speaker 1: not that sort of Um the ends that you know, 1129 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,520 Speaker 1: men have and they've been in the same circles for years. 1130 00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,960 Speaker 1: That just doesn't exist for women. So you have to 1131 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,760 Speaker 1: really want to do it, and she really wants to 1132 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,680 Speaker 1: do it. I think. Yeah. I think we're all policed 1133 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,240 Speaker 1: who've worked in the league for a long time at 1134 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,120 Speaker 1: the at the issues that have been attacked about diversity 1135 00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,360 Speaker 1: that are still being sort of attack that still need 1136 00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,280 Speaker 1: to be attacked. But in the end, this about winning. 1137 00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:49,400 Speaker 1: And when you hear Laurie Locusts, former defensive lineman the 1138 00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,960 Speaker 1: Dama Consus and guys of that ILK say she made 1139 00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,640 Speaker 1: me a better player, that has to come too, and 1140 00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,040 Speaker 1: she's got that on her resume. Yes, those guys. I 1141 00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:00,960 Speaker 1: talked to those guys when she was at the books 1142 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,000 Speaker 1: and she was a coach right, right, They did not, 1143 00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,400 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure after the initial days, right, the 1144 00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,000 Speaker 1: first few days where they were probably like, well this 1145 00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,040 Speaker 1: is different. After that, I mean, she was a coach, right, 1146 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,560 Speaker 1: She was yelling at them and she was showing them 1147 00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,280 Speaker 1: technique like you she's a coach, yeah, And I think 1148 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,920 Speaker 1: that's what will happen in Tennessee. Right, She's a coach 1149 00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,640 Speaker 1: and for the league to be creating those opportunities for 1150 00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,520 Speaker 1: people to get in the room, to get in that space, 1151 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,320 Speaker 1: to be able to earn the right to not be 1152 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,680 Speaker 1: a woman in this place, to not be kind of 1153 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,840 Speaker 1: an extra who's been given a shot, you know, and 1154 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,520 Speaker 1: be a story, to be a coach, to be someone 1155 00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,959 Speaker 1: who deserves to be there. It's nice to finally see 1156 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,640 Speaker 1: that those opportunities are becoming available to get in improve yourself. Well, 1157 00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,360 Speaker 1: I think the best thing will be when we stop 1158 00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,960 Speaker 1: writing stories and stop talking about it, right when it's 1159 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,640 Speaker 1: commonplace enough that you know, Brian day Ball has a 1160 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,040 Speaker 1: woman on his staff, and I live in New York 1161 00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,120 Speaker 1: and so everybody talked about that for a while, like 1162 00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,800 Speaker 1: first time there was a woman on the Giants coaching staff. 1163 00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,600 Speaker 1: And it's like, well, the real, the real accomplishment is 1164 01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:05,240 Speaker 1: going to be when we stop. There's having to mention it, right, right, 1165 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:10,919 Speaker 1: So let's talk league. Okay, when does the Washington thing? 1166 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,880 Speaker 1: And there's so many parts of it, That's why I say, 1167 01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:21,640 Speaker 1: when does the Washington thing get resolved? I don't think 1168 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,280 Speaker 1: there was some hope that it would be at the 1169 01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,960 Speaker 1: annual meeting at the end of March. I don't think 1170 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,520 Speaker 1: it'll happen then, I mean they're in the process of 1171 01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:33,240 Speaker 1: taking bids. That's never a fast process, even under the 1172 01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:37,520 Speaker 1: best of circumstances. You go through several rounds. They have 1173 01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,720 Speaker 1: to be vetted, right, the league has to make sure 1174 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,720 Speaker 1: this is what you want and that it has to 1175 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,840 Speaker 1: be approved by the owners. So I think we're still 1176 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:50,080 Speaker 1: a ways away from the team changing hands. I mean, 1177 01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,280 Speaker 1: there are so many other ten drils to that story 1178 01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:58,120 Speaker 1: that I you know, there's an investigation going on that 1179 01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:03,760 Speaker 1: the League is doing into the conduct, including Daniel Snyder's 1180 01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:09,040 Speaker 1: conduct at the Commanders. We've been told that's close to completion, 1181 01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,000 Speaker 1: but I don't know what that means. You know what 1182 01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,640 Speaker 1: we're out yesterday about it. It's been you know, that 1183 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,640 Speaker 1: investigation has been going on for more than a year. 1184 01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,960 Speaker 1: It's started at last year's Super Bowl, so that's been 1185 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,680 Speaker 1: going on for more than a year. There's a lot 1186 01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:26,200 Speaker 1: of complex financial issues that are being looked at, very complex, 1187 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,520 Speaker 1: So I think it's going to be a while until 1188 01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,520 Speaker 1: we get all of those kinds of answers. If we 1189 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:33,560 Speaker 1: ever get all of those kinds of answers, I mean, 1190 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,400 Speaker 1: part of it, I think is going to be wrapped 1191 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,720 Speaker 1: up in the sale and I think if they can 1192 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,919 Speaker 1: get the sale finished, I'm not sure we will ever 1193 01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,160 Speaker 1: get all of the answers. That's what the owners want, 1194 01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,080 Speaker 1: rather than to have to make a decision on Daniel 1195 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,480 Speaker 1: Snyder's right, the league would much prefer like an orderly 1196 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,000 Speaker 1: transfer to a new owner, right Like, just first of all, 1197 01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,440 Speaker 1: that franchise is going to draw what we think is 1198 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,960 Speaker 1: going to be a record setting sale price. Right It's 1199 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,640 Speaker 1: a run down franchise in a huge market that a 1200 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,640 Speaker 1: lot of it is untapped because of the way it's 1201 01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,600 Speaker 1: been operated. So yes, they would prefer and orderly transfer. 1202 01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,120 Speaker 1: They don't want to have to take a vote to 1203 01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,440 Speaker 1: vote him out. They're angry enough that I think they 1204 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,360 Speaker 1: have the votes to vote him out, but they certainly 1205 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:19,760 Speaker 1: don't want to have to go down that path. That's 1206 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,960 Speaker 1: a messy. That's even messier than the situation is right now. 1207 01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,080 Speaker 1: In the meantime, as they are trying to sort all 1208 01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,880 Speaker 1: this up as an organization, how do you move forward 1209 01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,480 Speaker 1: with all these things looming? I mean, Ron Rivera has 1210 01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,480 Speaker 1: all of this on, has played and credit to him 1211 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:37,320 Speaker 1: for keeping that team like you know, with the blinders on, 1212 01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,720 Speaker 1: and you know last year, I mean they were in 1213 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,120 Speaker 1: the mix, and I give him a lot of credit 1214 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,240 Speaker 1: because it cannot be easy. You know, I don't know 1215 01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:49,040 Speaker 1: how much players are paying attention to, you know, all 1216 01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,760 Speaker 1: of this kind of stuff, but everybody who works in 1217 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,120 Speaker 1: the office is aware of it, right And certainly everybody 1218 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,440 Speaker 1: is aware that the team could change hands, and we 1219 01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,680 Speaker 1: all know that new owners tend to change a lot 1220 01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,360 Speaker 1: of things. So I'm sure people are concerned about the future. 1221 01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,360 Speaker 1: But again, credit to Ron Rivera for you know, steering 1222 01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,760 Speaker 1: the ship ahead and just keep going. I'll stay with 1223 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:11,919 Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders for a moment because a few days 1224 01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,560 Speaker 1: ago you had a nice column on NFL dot com 1225 01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:18,560 Speaker 1: about your potential list of franchise tag candidates, and we're 1226 01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,840 Speaker 1: a few days left in that before teams can make 1227 01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,000 Speaker 1: those decisions. The first one to fall was to Ron 1228 01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,120 Speaker 1: Payne of the Washington Commanders. Who do you think, just 1229 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,080 Speaker 1: in your opinion, is the next Domado to fall? Obviously 1230 01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:30,960 Speaker 1: there's some really big names on that list. When you're 1231 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,680 Speaker 1: talking about Lamar Jackson, Daniel Jones, what do you think, Well, 1232 01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,440 Speaker 1: the Lamar Jackson situation is the most interesting thing I 1233 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,320 Speaker 1: think other than Aaron Rodgers this offseason, that is the 1234 01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:48,040 Speaker 1: most fascinating situation, and because it's like oddly tense, it 1235 01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,960 Speaker 1: seems like like just like, wow, this is sort of 1236 01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:52,880 Speaker 1: sideways in a way you didn't expect it to be. 1237 01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,520 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if that's the next one 1238 01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,480 Speaker 1: that will happen. The Giants, I can tell you, really 1239 01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,520 Speaker 1: do not want to have to use the franchise tag 1240 01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,960 Speaker 1: on Daniel Jones. They really would like to get a 1241 01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,680 Speaker 1: contract done with him, and they are cautiously optimistic that 1242 01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,120 Speaker 1: they will get a contract on And part of the 1243 01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,840 Speaker 1: reason why they want it done with him is because 1244 01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:14,640 Speaker 1: they want to have the franchise tag in their back 1245 01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,200 Speaker 1: pocket if they can't get a deal done with sae 1246 01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,240 Speaker 1: Quon Barkley, they would like to keep both of them. Obviously, 1247 01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,000 Speaker 1: if you have there's no question Daniel Jones will be 1248 01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:23,720 Speaker 1: with the team. If they can't get the contract on, 1249 01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,120 Speaker 1: they will franchise tag him. But that exposes sae Quon 1250 01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,760 Speaker 1: Barkley if you can't get a deal done, So it's 1251 01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,440 Speaker 1: gonna it's an interesting week there. They are cautiously optimistic 1252 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,040 Speaker 1: they will get both of them done, though. You know, 1253 01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,120 Speaker 1: a former agent, Joel Corey I think, put a post 1254 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,200 Speaker 1: out saying that if the Baltimore Ravens put him as 1255 01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,200 Speaker 1: the exclusive franchise tag and then tagged him again in 1256 01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:48,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, it's ninety nine million dollars flat money. Right, 1257 01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,200 Speaker 1: There's it's like getting a huge deal, just not exactly 1258 01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,520 Speaker 1: what he wants in terms of what'smen reported as a 1259 01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:58,760 Speaker 1: guaranteed contract. Right. What's so interesting about this situation is 1260 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,040 Speaker 1: if you're the Baltimore Rave sense, you have one of 1261 01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:07,200 Speaker 1: the premier talents in the league. If you why why 1262 01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,520 Speaker 1: are things so bad? Like? I know he wants the 1263 01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,520 Speaker 1: guaranteed contract, but like the idea that you could lose 1264 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:16,760 Speaker 1: this guy, Like, how how are we at this point? Um? 1265 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,720 Speaker 1: You know, and the Baltimore Ravens are a very well 1266 01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:25,360 Speaker 1: run organization, very well run organization. That this has sort 1267 01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:29,000 Speaker 1: of gone sideways so far is sort of mystifying to 1268 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,600 Speaker 1: me and I and I and I understand why the Ravens, 1269 01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, um, their owner When when Deshaun Watson got 1270 01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,080 Speaker 1: the fully guaranteed deal from the Browns, uh, the owner 1271 01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,840 Speaker 1: of the Baltimore Ravens was the owner who spoke up 1272 01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:46,080 Speaker 1: publicly blasting that like fully guaranteed And here we know 1273 01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,720 Speaker 1: why because he knew this was going to impact their 1274 01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:53,360 Speaker 1: situation with Lamar. Um. I don't know how the contract situation, 1275 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,960 Speaker 1: And it's unfathomable to me that Lamar Jackson would not 1276 01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,720 Speaker 1: be with the Baltimore Ravens. But you know who knows, 1277 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,880 Speaker 1: I mean, and I never imagined it would be where 1278 01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,640 Speaker 1: it is right now. That was the discussion with the 1279 01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:06,320 Speaker 1: three of us, with Mike and Amy and I in 1280 01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,040 Speaker 1: the car on the way up to Indianapolis, were like, 1281 01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:12,520 Speaker 1: how did they get to this point? Well, he wants 1282 01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:16,520 Speaker 1: the kind of guarantees that Deshaun Watson got. The reality is, 1283 01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,920 Speaker 1: and I understand why he wants that, But none of 1284 01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,920 Speaker 1: the other quarterbacks whose contracts have been done since the 1285 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,439 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson deal, the big deals have had the same 1286 01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:30,280 Speaker 1: guarantees have been fully guaranteed. That doesn't mean Lamar shouldn't 1287 01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,560 Speaker 1: ask for it. Everybody should ask for it. They should 1288 01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,200 Speaker 1: all ask for it. It doesn't mean you're gonna get 1289 01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:41,160 Speaker 1: it though, right. The problem is what happens? What happens 1290 01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,120 Speaker 1: if they franchise dead, Like, would they entertain offers from 1291 01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,560 Speaker 1: other teams to I mean again wow, because there would 1292 01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,720 Speaker 1: certainly be other teams, all right? One follow up and 1293 01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:51,880 Speaker 1: then I'm sorry I'm hogging questions here, but I wanted 1294 01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,840 Speaker 1: to follow up with this, is it? What is your 1295 01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:59,920 Speaker 1: opinion that Deshaun Watson might be the last guaranteed quarterback 1296 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,880 Speaker 1: deal or guarantee a period ever? Nah, I feel I 1297 01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,320 Speaker 1: feel like somebody else will get it um at some point. 1298 01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,360 Speaker 1: I'm just saying this hypothetically. But the next time that 1299 01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:15,720 Speaker 1: they have to do Patrick Mahomes contract, ye, is there 1300 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,120 Speaker 1: any I mean, what would you like Patrick? Okay, the 1301 01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:24,000 Speaker 1: agents for Justin Berbert and those I don't know if, 1302 01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,600 Speaker 1: but but like you've got Burrow coming up. I mean, 1303 01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,400 Speaker 1: what if if he's you know, dug in and said 1304 01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:34,600 Speaker 1: I want that, what would the Bengals do? I mean, yeah, 1305 01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,600 Speaker 1: right from him, he's from Ohio, different, he's taking you 1306 01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,440 Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. They brag on him more than 1307 01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,680 Speaker 1: I've ever seen any team brag on a quarterback in 1308 01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,760 Speaker 1: recent memory. Normally teams don't talk that way about their 1309 01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:51,200 Speaker 1: own guy like they talk about Joe Burrow. He's special. 1310 01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:55,520 Speaker 1: It's obviously a special situation because of Ohio. But like, 1311 01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,400 Speaker 1: you know, so if he dug in and said, like, well, 1312 01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,800 Speaker 1: I want the Deshaun Watson kind of deal. But with 1313 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,120 Speaker 1: the Bengals, do let it walk out the door? Right? 1314 01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,520 Speaker 1: You have to keep him right, he's he's everything. Well 1315 01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,760 Speaker 1: and to your point, Patrick Mahomes says, I would like 1316 01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:13,320 Speaker 1: all of this money and my own island. Whatever. Yeah, 1317 01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,840 Speaker 1: whichever one you want, talk to your real estate agent. 1318 01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,800 Speaker 1: Has this been one of the stranger off seasons in 1319 01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:25,280 Speaker 1: terms of quarterback stories throughout the NFL just because not 1320 01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:28,800 Speaker 1: necessarily the volume of quarterbacks that are making moves, but 1321 01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:34,320 Speaker 1: kind of odd circumstances surrounding a lot of different quarterbacks 1322 01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,280 Speaker 1: throughout the league. I feel like the last few years 1323 01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,960 Speaker 1: have been strange with quarterback. There's been there's been a 1324 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,479 Speaker 1: lot of quarterback movement right where you think of that 1325 01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,559 Speaker 1: position doesn't really move that much, but there's been a 1326 01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,320 Speaker 1: lot of high end right. I think I think it 1327 01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,080 Speaker 1: started when when Tom Brady left New England. Right, that 1328 01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,920 Speaker 1: was that was the COVID season, Right, that was twenty 1329 01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:57,400 Speaker 1: to twenty. So that's where I've that was like the 1330 01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,320 Speaker 1: start of this sort of bizarre cycle of like top 1331 01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,840 Speaker 1: end quarterbacks like in some sort of flux. And we're 1332 01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,880 Speaker 1: in that situation now with Aaron Rodgers were like, right, 1333 01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,679 Speaker 1: you're waiting for his decision before all of the other 1334 01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,160 Speaker 1: dominoes can fall into plays like right, like, we have 1335 01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,639 Speaker 1: no idea what Derek Carr, what's gonna happen with Derek Carr, 1336 01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:18,759 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, any of the others until Aaron Rodgers decides 1337 01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,360 Speaker 1: what's going on there? You live in New York, You've 1338 01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:25,679 Speaker 1: covered New York. Could Aaron Rodgers play in New York 1339 01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:30,000 Speaker 1: with his sensitivity factor? I was just talking to people 1340 01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,800 Speaker 1: from the Jets about that. Well, what did you tell Well? 1341 01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,519 Speaker 1: I said, it would be really interesting as somebody who 1342 01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,439 Speaker 1: used to cover the Jets, it would be really interesting 1343 01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:43,600 Speaker 1: to see that dynamic. Having said that, listen, he can 1344 01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,400 Speaker 1: he can still play, and if he can still play 1345 01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,200 Speaker 1: the way Aaron Rodgers kind of like, nothing else will 1346 01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,559 Speaker 1: matter because listen, the Brett Farve thing was nuts when 1347 01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:55,400 Speaker 1: Farv went to the Jets and was not still the 1348 01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,559 Speaker 1: player that Aaron Rodgers still is. And for the first 1349 01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,000 Speaker 1: half of the season before Brett Farv got hurt, like 1350 01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:07,200 Speaker 1: it was a Jetstown people were nuts and it was 1351 01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,280 Speaker 1: great and then he got hurt and things fell apart. 1352 01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,680 Speaker 1: But if Aaron Rodgers can play at that level, I mean, 1353 01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,800 Speaker 1: it's been a long time since there's been a start 1354 01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,880 Speaker 1: like that in New York. So yes, I think, I mean, 1355 01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,000 Speaker 1: the relationship with the media would be really interesting. Really 1356 01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:24,679 Speaker 1: what you're going back to Mike's point about it's about winning, 1357 01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,679 Speaker 1: but it's about winning and if you're winning, and I think, look, 1358 01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,960 Speaker 1: they have a lot of young talent, and last year 1359 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,200 Speaker 1: I was around that team, if they had had even 1360 01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:38,400 Speaker 1: marginally consistent quarterback play, they would have made the playoffs. Well, 1361 01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:42,000 Speaker 1: and the station the statement was made, and I apologize 1362 01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,360 Speaker 1: for not giving credit to the person who tweeted this out, 1363 01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:51,920 Speaker 1: but Derek Carrs team Defense Slash Special Teams DVOA in 1364 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,640 Speaker 1: his nine years with the Raiders was thirty second in 1365 01:10:54,720 --> 01:11:01,640 Speaker 1: the league. Last year, the New York Jets team EVOA 1366 01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,760 Speaker 1: with defense and special teams combined was fifth. Yeah, So 1367 01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,599 Speaker 1: that was the That was the argument for Derek Carr, 1368 01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,160 Speaker 1: and obviously it would be an argument for Aaron Rodgers 1369 01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,799 Speaker 1: because Robert Sala's teams are going to play good defense 1370 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,479 Speaker 1: and gonna play good special teams. Last year, if Mike 1371 01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,519 Speaker 1: White had not gotten hurt, they would have gone to 1372 01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:25,000 Speaker 1: the playoffs. Right, Like Mike White was playing well enough, 1373 01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,880 Speaker 1: the defense was playing very well, and they had enough 1374 01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,519 Speaker 1: young talent and they're going to get more back from 1375 01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,280 Speaker 1: injury this year that they would have been a playoff 1376 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:38,040 Speaker 1: team last year if the quarterback play could have just 1377 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,040 Speaker 1: like if you just didn't have some of those games 1378 01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,160 Speaker 1: where you're watching going like, oh my god. I mean 1379 01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,080 Speaker 1: the game against Jacksonville that was a Thursday night game 1380 01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,439 Speaker 1: in the rain. I was covering that game and that 1381 01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,559 Speaker 1: I mean, you're just watching it like, how could an 1382 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,200 Speaker 1: NFL team have such disastrous quarterback play? If you have 1383 01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,880 Speaker 1: even average quarterback play, they are a playoff team. So 1384 01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:02,120 Speaker 1: I mean to have Derek Carr and Rogers with the 1385 01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:07,560 Speaker 1: young talent, that's very interesting. Can we talk competition committee 1386 01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:11,200 Speaker 1: while we have Judy Batista here, because that feels like 1387 01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:14,800 Speaker 1: something that we would be lacking if we didn't. Um 1388 01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,200 Speaker 1: we had the chance to talk to Mike Rabel about 1389 01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,559 Speaker 1: that a little bit and everything that they've been working on. 1390 01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,400 Speaker 1: Owners meetings are coming up at the end of the 1391 01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:23,920 Speaker 1: month and that's when we see a lot of the 1392 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,600 Speaker 1: rule changes in everything. But officiating has been such a 1393 01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:31,000 Speaker 1: big topic of conversation, not only throughout the league, yeah, 1394 01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:36,160 Speaker 1: but within the within that room. What has struck you 1395 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:42,720 Speaker 1: about maybe their concentrated effort on really trying to standardize 1396 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,680 Speaker 1: officiating a little bit more. Their big thing is they 1397 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:51,479 Speaker 1: want officiating to be consistent across the cruise, right, so 1398 01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:55,080 Speaker 1: that you don't have one crew that looks at uh, 1399 01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, roughing the passer one way and then another 1400 01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,880 Speaker 1: crew that is aiating in it an entirely different way. 1401 01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:06,240 Speaker 1: They at least want it to be consistent, right. This 1402 01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,400 Speaker 1: year they brought they brought officials into the room with 1403 01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,960 Speaker 1: the Competition Committee to go over watching film. They do 1404 01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,280 Speaker 1: a ton of training that I was told that the 1405 01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,519 Speaker 1: competition Committee is happy with the amount of training they get. 1406 01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,760 Speaker 1: They really don't think you know, everybody talks about should 1407 01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,200 Speaker 1: they be full time. It's essentially a full time job 1408 01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:25,880 Speaker 1: the amount of training they do and the amount of 1409 01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,000 Speaker 1: review they do. So I don't think that's an issue 1410 01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,360 Speaker 1: for the competition Committee. I think consistency across the cruise 1411 01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:37,240 Speaker 1: is an issue and that they want to solve. But listen, 1412 01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,679 Speaker 1: I mean, I've said this a lot. The league will 1413 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:43,880 Speaker 1: take officiating controversies like I think they would like, you know, 1414 01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,760 Speaker 1: they would like officials to not get blasted, but it's 1415 01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,320 Speaker 1: a human part of the game right. It's they're not 1416 01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:52,160 Speaker 1: going to robots right, It's just not going to happen. 1417 01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,479 Speaker 1: You're going to have the human element. There are a 1418 01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:58,400 Speaker 1: lot of judgment calls. They tried to make pass interference reviewable. 1419 01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,519 Speaker 1: It was a disaster. They got rid of that. Some 1420 01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,479 Speaker 1: people want roughing the pastor to be reviewable. They really 1421 01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:06,400 Speaker 1: don't want to do that for the same reason. So 1422 01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,080 Speaker 1: I think we're all as fans going to have to 1423 01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,680 Speaker 1: accept that, Like it's a game officiated by humans. The 1424 01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,759 Speaker 1: fact that they get as many calls right in real 1425 01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,400 Speaker 1: time is amazing when you go back and look at it, 1426 01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,000 Speaker 1: and I mean, like you know, sometimes you're watching the 1427 01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,840 Speaker 1: play and you're like, wow, how the heck did they 1428 01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,600 Speaker 1: get that right? The players are so fast. So the 1429 01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,559 Speaker 1: bottom line in this, it sounds like to me, is 1430 01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,439 Speaker 1: you can only do so much refinement to rules because 1431 01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:33,760 Speaker 1: obviously what you're trying to do at the end of 1432 01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,400 Speaker 1: the day is trying to not leave it open to 1433 01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:40,040 Speaker 1: interpretation that it's cut, dried, black and white, whatever you 1434 01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:41,800 Speaker 1: want to call it. One of the things that they 1435 01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,000 Speaker 1: say year after year after year is as you refine 1436 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,160 Speaker 1: the rules, you're actually making it more difficult for the officials, right, 1437 01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,320 Speaker 1: because there's just more that they have to look for more. 1438 01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:56,360 Speaker 1: And so I'll give you an example, the drop hip 1439 01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,439 Speaker 1: tackle that everybody has talked about in the last few weeks. 1440 01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,640 Speaker 1: Chuck Mahomes got hurt on it in the game against Jacksonville, 1441 01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,559 Speaker 1: So there's a question about should that be taken out 1442 01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,080 Speaker 1: of the game. And one of the points that Troy 1443 01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:13,360 Speaker 1: Vincent made was can officials even see that in real time? 1444 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,919 Speaker 1: Or would you have to replay to even see it happening? 1445 01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,280 Speaker 1: Like horse collar tackles were easy, right, you can see 1446 01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,800 Speaker 1: the hand get into the back and pull them back. 1447 01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,719 Speaker 1: You can see that, Like could you even see if 1448 01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:29,280 Speaker 1: you write in real time? If that's that's hard? And 1449 01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:32,640 Speaker 1: so they always say the rule book is so voluminous 1450 01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,280 Speaker 1: and hard, like do you really want to add another 1451 01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,040 Speaker 1: element like that? All right? So I want to ask 1452 01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,160 Speaker 1: you about a couple fourth and fifteen instead of on 1453 01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:42,920 Speaker 1: side kick. Does it have a chance. I don't think 1454 01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,280 Speaker 1: it'll be approved, but it's gonna be. I believe it's 1455 01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:48,920 Speaker 1: going to be proposed again. It picked up incremental support 1456 01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:50,840 Speaker 1: the last time it was on I think it was twice. 1457 01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:54,400 Speaker 1: It's been proposed, so I don't think it will be approved. 1458 01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,080 Speaker 1: But another concern, by the way, is the number of 1459 01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,400 Speaker 1: concussions that happen on special teams play, so they're gonna 1460 01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,960 Speaker 1: have to They're gonna have to get creative with special 1461 01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,240 Speaker 1: teams play because those numbers are high and they're not 1462 01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:05,960 Speaker 1: coming down, so they've got to figure that out. The 1463 01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:11,320 Speaker 1: quarterback sneak push, does it get out lawed? I think 1464 01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:14,519 Speaker 1: it will not get out lawed. I think the argument 1465 01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,840 Speaker 1: is going to be stop it, first of all, but 1466 01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:19,639 Speaker 1: how do you stop Well, I think what you're gonna 1467 01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,080 Speaker 1: see is defenses go to school on it in this offseason, 1468 01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:23,800 Speaker 1: and unfortunately, I think what you're gonna see is they're 1469 01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,160 Speaker 1: gonna put their defensive tackles in and then you're gonna 1470 01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,880 Speaker 1: have linebackers pushing, which is going to be dangerous, right, 1471 01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,519 Speaker 1: and the first time the quarterback gets hurt doing it 1472 01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,000 Speaker 1: is going to be the last time it gets called 1473 01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:34,479 Speaker 1: or a lot that's what we'll get it out of 1474 01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,920 Speaker 1: the game, or a lineman gets knocked out, right. But 1475 01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,400 Speaker 1: I mean, if you have God forbid, I don't want 1476 01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,200 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts to be in this situation. But if the 1477 01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,120 Speaker 1: Eagles run that play with Jayala hurts and they're pushing, 1478 01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,880 Speaker 1: and then the opposing team has their defensive tackles in 1479 01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,719 Speaker 1: the middle and the linebackers pushing. That's a dangerous play, 1480 01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,920 Speaker 1: and so I think unfortunately, I think the first time 1481 01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,960 Speaker 1: somebody gets hurt doing it is going to be the 1482 01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,679 Speaker 1: last time that play gets called. But offensive coaches don't 1483 01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,240 Speaker 1: want it out of the game because they say, think 1484 01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,439 Speaker 1: of all the other plays that can develop out of it. 1485 01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:04,800 Speaker 1: You line up as if you're going to do that, 1486 01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,360 Speaker 1: and then you know, you pitch it out and do whatever. 1487 01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,200 Speaker 1: So I think it I don't think it'll be outlawed. 1488 01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,760 Speaker 1: I just think teams are defenses are going to figure 1489 01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:14,919 Speaker 1: out a way to stop it, and that will naturally 1490 01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:16,960 Speaker 1: evolve it out. I don't think it's a football play. 1491 01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:20,640 Speaker 1: I think it's an ugly play and it's the aesthetics 1492 01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,640 Speaker 1: of it that I think, but some people in the 1493 01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,479 Speaker 1: NFL don't. I don't think the design of a football 1494 01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:29,200 Speaker 1: play it should be guys to push guys. That's rugby, right, 1495 01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,599 Speaker 1: And I know football comes from rugby and comes from 1496 01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,800 Speaker 1: soccer and comes from other things, but I when I 1497 01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:38,360 Speaker 1: watch that, I just don't That's what bothers me about it, 1498 01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:42,120 Speaker 1: because it's like it's a big time gimmick that that 1499 01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,400 Speaker 1: doesn't fit what the spirit of the game. But we 1500 01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:47,600 Speaker 1: have seen gimmicks in the NFL, and they sort of 1501 01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,479 Speaker 1: naturally evolve out of it, right because defenses figure out 1502 01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,840 Speaker 1: how to stop it. Defenses will figure out how to 1503 01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,880 Speaker 1: stop this, and that will something else will grow out 1504 01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,519 Speaker 1: of it. But that's again the hope is that what 1505 01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,080 Speaker 1: this play is not a quarterback getting injured by like, 1506 01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:06,439 Speaker 1: you know, two thousand pounds of humanity pushing against him. 1507 01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:14,960 Speaker 1: You're an optimist, unfortunately. How did you come to love football? Oh? Wow? Uh? 1508 01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,200 Speaker 1: I grew up in South Florida at a time when 1509 01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,519 Speaker 1: there were no other professional sports in South Florida, so 1510 01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:23,320 Speaker 1: you had Yankees and Mets spring training. They still did 1511 01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,280 Speaker 1: spring training in South Florida, so you had that. Um 1512 01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,000 Speaker 1: and I'm from New York originally, so we still loved 1513 01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,639 Speaker 1: the New York baseball teams, and then football was at 1514 01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:35,920 Speaker 1: The Dolphins were awesome. Then Don Shula and Bob Greasy 1515 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,680 Speaker 1: and then of course they got Dan Marino when I 1516 01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:39,479 Speaker 1: was a little bit older, so that when you went 1517 01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,320 Speaker 1: to the U and I went to you during the 1518 01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:51,160 Speaker 1: greatest period ever, Oh, but so much fun. Yes, and 1519 01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:54,080 Speaker 1: so football was just awesome, you know it was. That's 1520 01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:57,800 Speaker 1: why watched a lot of it because I'm a fan. 1521 01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:01,720 Speaker 1: Thank you for this great to thank you guys time. Absolutely, 1522 01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:04,280 Speaker 1: You're awesome at what you do and you have been 1523 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:05,680 Speaker 1: for a long time. I hope you keep doing it 1524 01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:07,439 Speaker 1: for a long time. Thank you very much. Good to 1525 01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,080 Speaker 1: be with you, guys, and I'll see you in a 1526 01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:20,519 Speaker 1: few more weeks. We'll be there, possible. Well, what all 1527 01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:26,360 Speaker 1: comes tomorrow? We've got quarterbacks on the way. Well well, well, yes, 1528 01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:33,160 Speaker 1: at the podium on Friday and then on Saturday they 1529 01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:37,200 Speaker 1: work out, right, who has the bigger podium crowd? Anthony 1530 01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:42,759 Speaker 1: Richardson or By Young He's a much bigger college star, 1531 01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:48,200 Speaker 1: So I think little guy, Well, yeah, everybody's talked about. 1532 01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,920 Speaker 1: We talked with someone last night who stood next to him, 1533 01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,880 Speaker 1: and this person was five ten on a good day 1534 01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:59,360 Speaker 1: and claimed that they were taller. Wow. So I mean, 1535 01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:01,439 Speaker 1: what he's going to measure on Saturday is going to 1536 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,320 Speaker 1: be really interesting. And I know, listen, I get that 1537 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,880 Speaker 1: he will have gained weight. You know who doesn't gain 1538 01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:11,439 Speaker 1: weight an indie this week? Well that's true, but really 1539 01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,680 Speaker 1: that's a different topic. But it's still not going to 1540 01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:18,400 Speaker 1: change his frame. That's the That's the thing is his 1541 01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:22,080 Speaker 1: frame is still gonna be his frame. And he's just 1542 01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:25,240 Speaker 1: not a big person. I mean, he's just he's just 1543 01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,880 Speaker 1: not a big, thick guy, no matter how tall he is. 1544 01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,760 Speaker 1: So I think that's gonna be fascinating to see. The 1545 01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:36,679 Speaker 1: thing that we're hearing that's really interesting is a lot 1546 01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:43,280 Speaker 1: of the will Levis talk going up. Mike will Levis 1547 01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,160 Speaker 1: did not have a good year this year at Kentucky, 1548 01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:52,479 Speaker 1: but that did not dampen his NFL talk much at 1549 01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:57,519 Speaker 1: all because of the traits that he has and also 1550 01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:02,759 Speaker 1: because how scarce those guys are in the draft. Well, 1551 01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,640 Speaker 1: so the comparison we heard from somebody who knows some 1552 01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:13,200 Speaker 1: stuff is Matt Ryan, with the idea being that coming 1553 01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,519 Speaker 1: out of Boston College, he was this big guy, he 1554 01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:20,439 Speaker 1: was a smart guy. He had played a lot of football, 1555 01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,880 Speaker 1: and his last year he threw too many interceptions and 1556 01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:28,200 Speaker 1: everybody was very concerned. But he had no weapons, and 1557 01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,120 Speaker 1: Kentucky was not as good a team offensively in twenty 1558 01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,519 Speaker 1: twenty two as they were in twenty twenty one. No, 1559 01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:40,719 Speaker 1: and that's a great I mean it's a great comparison. Yes, 1560 01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,040 Speaker 1: and so you, as I say, with the two drafts 1561 01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:48,280 Speaker 1: that there are. Quarterback being a separate entity doesn't surprise 1562 01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,559 Speaker 1: me at all. In the circles I talk in because 1563 01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:55,880 Speaker 1: people don't care. Don't care. I think he's gonna end 1564 01:21:55,920 --> 01:22:00,479 Speaker 1: up here in Indianapolis because I think strap out or 1565 01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:04,000 Speaker 1: younger going one, two, and then I think he's going 1566 01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:07,280 Speaker 1: to end up at either three or four. If Indianapolis 1567 01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,080 Speaker 1: moves up a spot or note, I think this is 1568 01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,120 Speaker 1: where he's gonna end up. I would not put any 1569 01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,679 Speaker 1: money against that, Mike. I think we may be playing 1570 01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,400 Speaker 1: against Will Levice for the next fifteen years. Red Bryan, 1571 01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,400 Speaker 1: I don't like that, but I can't know anything. You 1572 01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:22,000 Speaker 1: don't like that or something. There's some people listening to 1573 01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,840 Speaker 1: that this right now. Some of the OT people like 1574 01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:29,720 Speaker 1: that because they are convinced he is way overrated. Well, 1575 01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,439 Speaker 1: let me just talk talk to those people. For the 1576 01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,120 Speaker 1: OT people, he will not bringing the offensive line he 1577 01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:38,559 Speaker 1: played behind in college, and Indie has a good Indie 1578 01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:40,720 Speaker 1: has one of the better offensive lines in the in 1579 01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:44,960 Speaker 1: the league. It's a whole different set of circumstances. But 1580 01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:49,280 Speaker 1: this guy's physical ability and he's got some gun slinger 1581 01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:51,960 Speaker 1: in him. This year he was slinging it too much 1582 01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:56,160 Speaker 1: because he had to do everything. If it comes to Indie, 1583 01:22:56,280 --> 01:23:00,400 Speaker 1: we're going on Mike Key's proposition here. You won't have 1584 01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,280 Speaker 1: to do everything, just do a little bit pretty good. 1585 01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:09,559 Speaker 1: If the Levis love raises to a different level, there's 1586 01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:12,400 Speaker 1: a lot of l's there. Go ahead. That was by design, right, 1587 01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:17,000 Speaker 1: he's a broadcaster, radio thing try to do. He's a kid, 1588 01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:22,240 Speaker 1: He's a kitterer. I'm a kidder. If it rises a lot, 1589 01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:27,680 Speaker 1: don't be surprised this weekend. That's what we're hearing is 1590 01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,759 Speaker 1: that you're going to hear a lot of people really 1591 01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:35,120 Speaker 1: say nice things about Will Levis. And it's not because 1592 01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:39,000 Speaker 1: teams are just figuring it out. It's because the people 1593 01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:42,839 Speaker 1: who cover the teams are figuring out that the teams 1594 01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,679 Speaker 1: like Will Levis better than they think. Yeah, I think 1595 01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,559 Speaker 1: after tomorrow is going to be an interesting day. After 1596 01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,439 Speaker 1: he is able to speak to the media and as 1597 01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:56,880 Speaker 1: a delightful person and people can fall in love with him. 1598 01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,920 Speaker 1: And then he goes and they do all the measurements 1599 01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,080 Speaker 1: and he's big and he looks the part. Then he's 1600 01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:06,200 Speaker 1: a nice boy and he's big and strong, and then 1601 01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:08,240 Speaker 1: he throws a ball around a little bit. I mean 1602 01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:10,200 Speaker 1: because he is going to throw, because he is going 1603 01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:12,400 Speaker 1: to throw, and so you'll be able to see that 1604 01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,120 Speaker 1: aspect of it. I think there's a lot of room 1605 01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:19,000 Speaker 1: for him to make some money this week. Um. But 1606 01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:22,320 Speaker 1: again that a lot of that is because it's going 1607 01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:25,880 Speaker 1: to be new information to us, not necessarily because it's 1608 01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:29,679 Speaker 1: new information for the teams. The clubs already know. That's 1609 01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:33,200 Speaker 1: not new information, right, It's correct. They are aware of 1610 01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:36,280 Speaker 1: who he is, very aware, yes, very aware, and they 1611 01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:38,559 Speaker 1: have done their due diligence very much so and are 1612 01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,720 Speaker 1: going to continue to do their due dialace very much. 1613 01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:46,439 Speaker 1: Us love levitating, Let us love. If you need a 1614 01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:48,680 Speaker 1: there are a lot of I'm telling you, man, you 1615 01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,240 Speaker 1: talk to some of my sec friends, Oh he garbage? 1616 01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,679 Speaker 1: Well well, and these are people who know some things too. 1617 01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,240 Speaker 1: They're just convinced that he's Oh are ain't told a 1618 01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:02,160 Speaker 1: mild But what happens after that? Yeah? Well, I mean, 1619 01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,240 Speaker 1: I mean Kentucky was overhyped this year, isn't the team? 1620 01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:10,479 Speaker 1: They weren't that good and coming off the ten win season, 1621 01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:12,960 Speaker 1: they were supposed to be good again, and then Chris 1622 01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,960 Speaker 1: Rodriguez has the problem and can't play to start the year, 1623 01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:19,439 Speaker 1: and people don't realize what they had used in the 1624 01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:23,880 Speaker 1: offensive line. And I mean no offense to Kentucky or 1625 01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:28,840 Speaker 1: to Mark Stoops, but he's not reloading like Nick saban is. 1626 01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:34,040 Speaker 1: He's not reloading like Kirby smart Is. He's got a 1627 01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:38,840 Speaker 1: good program in place, but it's it's not that. And 1628 01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,559 Speaker 1: so when you lose some of those old linemen like 1629 01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:45,400 Speaker 1: they did, and receivers and people, I mean, it makes 1630 01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:47,439 Speaker 1: a difference. You know. I had the chance to talk 1631 01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:51,680 Speaker 1: to coach Stoops about that exact thing, actually, because I, 1632 01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:53,960 Speaker 1: through a series of events, was one of the sideline 1633 01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,120 Speaker 1: reporters for the Music City Bowl. Kentucky's playing in the 1634 01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:58,160 Speaker 1: Music City Bowl, so I had the chance to talk 1635 01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:00,960 Speaker 1: to him about that, and he was adamant that what 1636 01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:05,960 Speaker 1: makes their program unique is that they just can't recruit 1637 01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:09,439 Speaker 1: like an Alabama, They can't recruit like an LSU, and 1638 01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:14,479 Speaker 1: so they don't have that unbelievable depth at every single position. 1639 01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:19,040 Speaker 1: He says, it's to their benefit almost because they're able 1640 01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:22,200 Speaker 1: to invest in players and they have a great character 1641 01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:26,559 Speaker 1: on their program. And there's so many other things, but 1642 01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:28,880 Speaker 1: when you have a really great year and then you 1643 01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,240 Speaker 1: lose a bunch of seniors, or you lose a bunch 1644 01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:34,719 Speaker 1: of guys to the transfer portal, you are hurting because 1645 01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:36,920 Speaker 1: you just don't have the people. And you've got a 1646 01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:40,320 Speaker 1: lot of guys behind them that will be good by 1647 01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:42,960 Speaker 1: the time they get to their junior senior years, but 1648 01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:45,280 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're having to fill a void, 1649 01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:49,559 Speaker 1: not with a really good junior who anywhere else would 1650 01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,160 Speaker 1: have been a starter or two years ago, you're filling 1651 01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:55,720 Speaker 1: it with a freshman sophomore who still needs a lot 1652 01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,760 Speaker 1: of development. And it makes things a little trickier for 1653 01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:02,000 Speaker 1: programs that are recruiting in the SEC against these really 1654 01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:05,000 Speaker 1: big schools. Well, the credit goes to Mitch Barnhardt, the 1655 01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:10,559 Speaker 1: athletic director, because he gave Mark Stoops time to build 1656 01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:15,960 Speaker 1: this sort of program. And that's the key in those situations, 1657 01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:19,880 Speaker 1: especially when you're non traditional. If you get time to 1658 01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:23,200 Speaker 1: where you can still red shirt people, you can still 1659 01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:25,160 Speaker 1: put in the time in the weight room, you can 1660 01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:28,680 Speaker 1: still develop. I mean, you look at kirk Ferens at Iowa, 1661 01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:32,680 Speaker 1: I mean they are that consistent program. I mean I 1662 01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:38,960 Speaker 1: would say if Kentucky looks to model themselves after a program. 1663 01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:42,559 Speaker 1: Iowa is a great model that you recruit a guy 1664 01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:44,720 Speaker 1: who maybe was going to be a tight end and 1665 01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:49,200 Speaker 1: he grows into aligneman and you take that time because 1666 01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:52,040 Speaker 1: and listen, they recruit a lot better than they used to. 1667 01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,800 Speaker 1: I mean, Mark Stoops has done an amazing job, but 1668 01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,880 Speaker 1: it's not five star, five star, five star, four star. 1669 01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,320 Speaker 1: It's just not who they are. And that was what 1670 01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:04,360 Speaker 1: Levis played with this year. He clearly, whether you think 1671 01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:08,559 Speaker 1: he's overrated or not, you can't deny his cast around 1672 01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:10,800 Speaker 1: him was not as good. And also he lost his 1673 01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:14,200 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. He was there one year, came from the Rams, 1674 01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:16,759 Speaker 1: went back to the Rams, and oh, by the way, 1675 01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,639 Speaker 1: he's back at Kentucky. Right exactly, he's back at Kentucky. 1676 01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,559 Speaker 1: But can I just say something, sure That boots on 1677 01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:25,160 Speaker 1: the ground analysis that we just got from our own 1678 01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:29,800 Speaker 1: Amy Wells was outstanding. It's just a conversation I had once, No, 1679 01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:31,679 Speaker 1: but it was it was. I'm just happy to share 1680 01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:33,880 Speaker 1: it with the OTP. You can't get boots on the 1681 01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:38,080 Speaker 1: ground stuff like that anywhere, only on the OTP. We've 1682 01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:40,120 Speaker 1: got a lot of boots here on this program. Look 1683 01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:42,760 Speaker 1: at all of us we got boots on a lot 1684 01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,360 Speaker 1: of different grounds. Yes, why you tune in, that's exactly right, 1685 01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:49,680 Speaker 1: and and thank you for listening. If you have not 1686 01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:53,759 Speaker 1: had a chance to listen to the OTP all the time, 1687 01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:59,040 Speaker 1: well get on that, um subscribe. Subscribe to the OTP 1688 01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:01,680 Speaker 1: at to see Titans dot com or wherever you get 1689 01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:08,479 Speaker 1: your podcasts. We appreciate the great feedback. Tomorrow's OTP is awesome. Yes, 1690 01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:13,800 Speaker 1: Charles Davis from NFL Network from CBS Sports just did 1691 01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,760 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl so good. Justin Reid from ESPN, and 1692 01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:19,040 Speaker 1: I know the two of you love this guy as 1693 01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:21,880 Speaker 1: a draft analyst. Ratte you and coach Mack who knows 1694 01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,280 Speaker 1: what he's doing. He does, and I've been watching him 1695 01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:28,439 Speaker 1: for a while. He was with another organization called the 1696 01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:31,519 Speaker 1: Draft Network, and then Mac and I first met him 1697 01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:35,800 Speaker 1: up here three four years ago, and he is you 1698 01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:38,840 Speaker 1: say it, well, he's quickly becoming a star in this 1699 01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:43,439 Speaker 1: He's played the game in college and has an eye 1700 01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:46,880 Speaker 1: for it and I really like his analysis. It was 1701 01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:50,040 Speaker 1: just a great conversation. And that's tomorrow on the OTP. 1702 01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:54,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna keep dropping him tomorrow all weekend into early 1703 01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:57,760 Speaker 1: next week, and so make sure you subscribe, and as 1704 01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:02,800 Speaker 1: we used to say, tell a friend that's I guess 1705 01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,599 Speaker 1: you could tweet a friend, or you could text a friend, 1706 01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:09,080 Speaker 1: or or you could send a friend to link DM 1707 01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:12,800 Speaker 1: a friend a link. Yeah, yeah, it would really, it 1708 01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,679 Speaker 1: would really help us. Amy and I get five dollars 1709 01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:20,920 Speaker 1: for each subscriber added, so it really it's so really valuable. 1710 01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:25,040 Speaker 1: Yesterday we made fifteen dollars. Thank you, very awesome. It 1711 01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:28,200 Speaker 1: was really great. Paid for our steak and shake, didn't it. 1712 01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:30,640 Speaker 1: But you buy everybody else food, So there we go, 1713 01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:32,800 Speaker 1: there we go. All right, So that does it for 1714 01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:37,040 Speaker 1: this edition of the Official Titans Podcast. For coach Dave McGinnis, 1715 01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:40,080 Speaker 1: for Rhett Brian, for Amy Wells, I'm Mike Keith and 1716 01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:47,960 Speaker 1: this has been from Indianapolis, Indiana. The oh everbody knows 1717 01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:53,439 Speaker 1: it's our house making three greenness