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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to foul Territory. I'm Heidi Watney. I'm

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Speaker 1: mean for Stott Braun today, amocrats Aj Prasinski. You guys

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Speaker 1: are going to be leading the way today because this

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Speaker 1: is my maiden voyage on foul Territory. How do you

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Speaker 1: guys feel about carrying the show?

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Speaker 2: Easy?

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Speaker 3: And we can't hear a j he's muted. So since

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Speaker 3: he's back, he's back.

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Speaker 2: You know, like Heidi shirt, Montreal has n't been the

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Speaker 2: same without the expos Quick pitch hasn't been the same

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Speaker 2: without Heidi. I'm not gonna lie, I haven't watched it.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you. I appreciate that it was a great show.

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Speaker 1: Miss the show good times. The White Sox haven't been

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Speaker 1: the same without you either, A So.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's like that, that's way more of an understatement.

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Speaker 2: And quick pitch do you trust me?

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Speaker 1: That's true? That's true?

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Speaker 4: How you guys?

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Speaker 1: Where are you joining us from?

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Speaker 2: I am at a golf course down in South Florida

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Speaker 2: called Grove twenty three. I am in the conference room.

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Speaker 2: So I'm there's a guy that owns Oh no, there's

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Speaker 2: people coming in. There's a guy named Michael Jordan that

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Speaker 2: owns this place. I don't know if you guys ever

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Speaker 2: heard of him, so I'm trying to. I'm on the

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Speaker 2: download down here.

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Speaker 1: We're name dropping, like sixty seconds into the show. I

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Speaker 1: love it.

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Speaker 2: AJ listen my day.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say this my I don't want to

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Speaker 2: say my life was made. My day was made today though,

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Speaker 2: when I saw MJ and he said, hey, I listened

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Speaker 2: to you on the playoffs. You did awesome, Like it's

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Speaker 2: hard to when the goat says that to you. It's

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Speaker 2: really hard to have a bad day, right, like when

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Speaker 2: you haven't seen him for a while and that's what

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. I take two things from that. First of all,

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: I know he's a basic right, yes, So sorry sorry

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Speaker 2: if I named her, but I mean that made me

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Speaker 2: it's a positive.

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Speaker 1: Anytime you run into MJ. You can name Jock Eric

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Speaker 1: anything with your day? Did did like Derek Jeter have

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Speaker 3: I took a walk with my wife and I tried

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Speaker 2: What's a mower? What's a like a what kind of

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Speaker 2: more like a manscaper? Or are we talking like a lawnmower?

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Speaker 3: Talking about a push lawn mulching? More? I got leaves.

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Speaker 3: I got leaves, so I got to pick the leaves up.

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Speaker 3: of it. It's tremendous. It's nothing you would know about.

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Speaker 1: East Coast with leaves this time of year. Don't even

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Speaker 1: want to go there. All right, we're just going to

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Speaker 1: jump right into it right now. We are. Let's charge

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Speaker 1: the mountain guys about all right, We've got the MVP

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Speaker 1: be the race that everyone is talking about. It's really

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Speaker 1: coming down to a two man race. Aaron Judge cal Rawley.

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Speaker 1: I want to know. I think I know, being former catchers,

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Speaker 1: who you two are going to pick, But who do

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Speaker 2: Listen, I hope cal Rawley wins, but he's not. So

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Speaker 2: Aaron Judge is going to win just because he's Aaron

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Speaker 2: I need Catcher. I need more Catcher love. Okay, more

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we definitely need we need cal to win it,

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Speaker 3: like Brent Rookers said Friend of the Show, he said,

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Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be East Coast bias. It doesn't

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Speaker 3: both guys. Whoever becomes an MVP, it's gonna be historical

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Speaker 3: and we need to we need to celebrate it. And

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Speaker 3: Brent Rooker let everybody know he's really good and letting

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Speaker 2: And that's what Yankee fans do. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yankees fans love to just hate on anyone. Look,

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Speaker 1: I covered both of them this year. I interviewed both

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Speaker 1: anyone else. He led all of baseball and average opp slugging,

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Speaker 1: The writers are going to look at stats. Judges wore

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Speaker 1: nine point seven, Raleigh seven point three. But I think,

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Speaker 1: he leads that pitching staff, and that pitching staff is

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Speaker 1: why the Mariners are in the postseason, right, It.

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Speaker 2: Just doesn't matter. That's a matter of Heidi, because you know,

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Speaker 2: cal Rawley's MVP because he caught every day nothing against

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Speaker 2: But for this one year, cal Rawly did things that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's one of the things that you want

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Speaker 3: Right, Eric, one hundred percent. And you know what, if

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Speaker 3: you go back and I think we've shifted through the years,

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Speaker 3: So I think throughout the years will shift and everything

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Speaker 3: will change. But I love that. I love that comparison

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Speaker 3: that he just made Heidi with the fact that show

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Speaker 3: hey incredible DH when he did last year just at DH. Yes,

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Speaker 3: he earned the MVP because it was historic. The fact

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Speaker 3: anybody else could win it. The fact that cal Raley

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Speaker 3: has to lead his team. I think he caught one

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Speaker 3: hundred and twelve games this year and he played one

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty six total. Like the fact that he

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Speaker 3: and get no days off. DH is not a day off.

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Speaker 3: and it's taking nothing away from judges' outfield. Before his

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Speaker 3: the same thing that happened to Cal. It would not

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Speaker 1: And honestly, most valuable player also most valuable player to

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Speaker 1: obviously both very valuable. But you take the catcher that

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Speaker 1: third guy in this debate. And Jose's like the bridesmaid, right,

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Speaker 1: He like always the bridesmaid, never the bride. He's in

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Speaker 3: He's just in the He's not even the bridesmaid, He's

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Speaker 3: He loves being in everybody's wedding. He's the dude nothing

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Speaker 3: He's there for the for the Guardians. He keeps signing

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Speaker 3: he's legitimately. I have to look at I thought he

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Speaker 3: be a forty forty guy. I think it will take

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Speaker 1: Thirty home runs, forty four stolen bases this year, one

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Speaker 1: thirty seven ops plus and he's the heartbeat, like you say,

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Speaker 1: he's not getting the attention of Kal Rowl and Judge.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I think we know the outcome tonight,

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Speaker 1: but this is going to be a race to watch.

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Speaker 1: This is going to be the closest I think of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be pleasantly surprised.

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Speaker 2: And meaning, I hope cal Rowly wins, like everything, assuming

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Speaker 2: Rowly wins, because it gives hope to the smaller people

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Speaker 1: All right, some big news from San Diego today. The

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Speaker 1: But it's been a tumultuous time with the ownership group

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Speaker 1: so they're going to evaluate the process and the Padres

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Speaker 2: my reaction. That's totally my reactions. Peter Siler wanted the

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately he got sick and passed away, which is very sad.

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Speaker 2: But if the rest of the family doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: I don't know when the last time you took Apple

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Speaker 2: They sell out every game. The whole area is unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: For this. I applaud him for saying, you know what

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Speaker 3: the late Peter Seiler did because he built that he

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Speaker 3: all we ever ask, all we ever ask of any

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Speaker 3: I get it's TV too, but to me, if the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you guys and San Diego. You

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Speaker 1: They've got a dynamic roster tactiss in Jackson Merrill and

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Speaker 1: right now. I mean that is it's it's rare to

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Speaker 1: But I think you're right, Aja, and that that's the

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 1: I applaud them, like you guys for doing.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty big. What's over your right shoulder? I think

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Speaker 1: World Series Trophy?

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Speaker 2: What's the ultimate goal in baseball?

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Speaker 3: That?

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Speaker 2: Yes, So if you're not going to try and do that,

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Speaker 2: And we just had Jason on right about the Orioles,

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Speaker 2: and you know what, the new owner hasn't done. He

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Speaker 2: hasn't proven that he wants to win that badly. He's

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Speaker 2: kind of they're doing the same thing as the Angelou's

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Speaker 2: really not trying. So if Peter one thing about Peter Sidlers,

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Speaker 2: they don't want it, sell it, sell I get your

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Speaker 2: two billion and get out, because two billion spends nicely

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to take it. So move on and find someone.

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Speaker 2: But you have to find the right owner, because just

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Speaker 2: because you get a new owner doesn't necessarily me know

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Speaker 2: the right owner. So you've got to do your stuff

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Speaker 2: and make sure you get the right owner that will

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Speaker 2: actually go for what's behind Heidie shoulder, which is a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that might be what's happening in Miami right now,

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Speaker 1: right which, by the.

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Speaker 2: Way, how did you get that trophy? Like, is that

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Speaker 2: your trophy?

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Speaker 1: It's my husband's trophy from what team Astros?

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Speaker 2: Oh, he was a trash can bager twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 3: She didn't want to say it. She didn't want to

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Speaker 3: say TROPHYI.

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Speaker 1: Was a pro scout for the Houston Astros in twenty

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Speaker 1: you're right, that's the ultimate goal. And and so he

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Speaker 1: he wanted the actual trophy.

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Speaker 2: He just just ignored that whole thing. Kratz. I love

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Speaker 2: it television. That's professional television at its best. Right there.

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Speaker 1: Next to that is a David Ortiz Jersey Poppy.

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Speaker 2: Just look at that.

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Speaker 1: Just look at that. Pop is my boy love Poppy,

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 2: I mean I've known him since we were eighteen or

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Speaker 2: the wrong guy. We remember telling Terry Ryan that he

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Speaker 2: uh Seattle. We traded for him, and we're like, hey, Terry,

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Speaker 2: you got the wrong guy. You're supposed to trade for

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Speaker 2: David Areas. He's like, no, he changed his name and

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Speaker 2: lost five years and just kidding, but we used to

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Speaker 2: tell David.

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Speaker 3: That he didn't.

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Speaker 1: And now whether you call him David Ortiz or big

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Speaker 3: He can't.

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Speaker 2: I can't call him big Poppy because I knew him

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Speaker 2: when he was big crappy to me, like he was nobody.

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Speaker 2: He was just David. Like I think everyone's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, to me, he's just still David. I've known

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Speaker 2: to me, he's still David, Like there's no because I called.

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Speaker 1: Him David too, and people look at me like I

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Speaker 1: I was the Red Sox reporter for four years with him,

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Speaker 1: and I called him David. I didn't call him.

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Speaker 2: They go, they go, like hey, they go, they go,

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Speaker 2: they go, and I was, you know, And then all

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Speaker 1: Cratsy. What do you call them?

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Speaker 3: I call them. Let's go to break.

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Speaker 2: Such a suck up crap, which I appreciate.

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Speaker 1: Paul Skeens was named the cy Young Award winner, second

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Speaker 1: because story came out yesterday that he wanted to be

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Speaker 1: Not sure where that came from an anonymous teammate. I

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Speaker 1: always wonder about those things. What did you guys think

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Speaker 3: win the SiO.

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00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,360
Speaker 2: No, I'm acting like Paul Skeins did when he's won

438
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,640
Speaker 2: the Rookie the Year and the SYOM.

439
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 1: Okay, his reactions, what's that about, dud?

440
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 2: If someone for like eighty one Rookie of the Year

441
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 2: and the next three you want say I would be

442
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 2: doing backbooks, like I'd be showing Libby Done how to

443
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 2: do the balance beam.

444
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: Well maybe he just thinks everyone's looking at Libby Done

445
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 1: and no one's looking at him. Anyway, darn is like

446
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: look of the air.

447
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 2: He's like uh huh. And this year he we actually

448
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 2: kind of got a fist pump, like a double fist pump,

449
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 2: So like, yeah, I just feel like you should have

450
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 2: been more excited, don't you. I guess when you're just

451
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 2: expecting to be this awesome, he just doesn't get you excited.

452
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 2: But the last year one is a meme of all time,

453
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 2: a gift gift with whatever you call it. But it

454
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 2: was an all timer because he's like, yeah, I know,

455
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 2: Paul's like mm hmm brushed it. Yeah, But anyways, that's it.

456
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 2: That's why my face is like that, because I'm not surprised.

457
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 3: The kids use the kids use that video as the

458
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 3: nonchalant final boss, Like there couldn't be more of a

459
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 3: chalant type of moment where you're like, yes, yes, so honestly,

460
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 3: I need to see Paul Skeans win a World Series

461
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 3: because I want to see him go hard. I get it,

462
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 3: he was an Air Force guy. I get it. He's

463
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 3: he thinks he's supposed to do this. But I want

464
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 3: to see him celebrate like it's nineteen. Like I want

465
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 3: to see him like really, because you know, he puts

466
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 3: in a ton of work and maybe that's why he

467
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 3: kind of has that like demeanor where he's never too high,

468
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 3: never too low. But you want to see a guy

469
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 3: be able to celebrate. And this year he went all

470
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: the way out to hear yes, but the kids say, oh,

471
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 3: bro gonna be nonchalant. Bro got to be nonchalant. Or

472
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 3: maybe he's just waiting to get called up to the

473
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 3: next league that Aaron judge, so be Aaron judge him.

474
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 3: And this year cal Raley and Shoho Tani it before

475
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 3: Man League. I guess you.

476
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: Could you could do that. I wonder if because he's

477
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: one of those guys who's always been team right. He's

478
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: he said, the individual awards are great, but what.

479
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: I play for is all right there he HEDI stuff.

480
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 2: He's in Pittsburgh, okay, so that whatever you're pointing out

481
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 2: back there. That is probably not gonna happen. He was

482
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh, so maybe enjoy getting a Sally Young, enjoy

483
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 2: getting Rookie of the Year, Like that's those are cool.

484
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Like I didn't win that. If I would

485
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: have wanted to say, I would, I mean I was,

486
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: I would have been a pitcher or if I would

487
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 2: have won the MVP, are you kidding me? I would

488
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 2: have had a party like nobody's business. Like I would

489
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 2: have rented out and he's an LSU guy, I know live.

490
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: I would have rent it out LSU Stadium and had

491
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 2: a party and been like, yeah, people celebrate me. Instead

492
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: he's like cool, bro.

493
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: Maybe he's so salty because the Pirates don't really seem

494
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: to be doing a whole lot to add to the team.

495
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: I mean, one of his quotes, he said, I personally

496
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: love if we're losing, the fans don't show up in

497
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: the same numbers. If you want fans, you have to win.

498
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: I want to be a part of the group that

499
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: accomplishes that. The fans do come. They come once every

500
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: five days when he's the starting pitcher. Otherwise they don't come.

501
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: But maybe he's just so salty because he wants more.

502
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: He wants more around him. He doesn't want to be

503
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: the only main attract in Pittsburgh.

504
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: I think that's fair. But I think Pittsburgh can look

505
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 3: not too far to the north in Detroit and see

506
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 3: that a team can win with a legit starting pitcher,

507
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: and really they're not. You're not asking the Pirates to

508
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: put to put Wan Soto in, Sho Heo Tani and

509
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 3: Kyle Tucker all around him. You're just looking to surround

510
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 3: Paul Skeens. And you know what, that starting rotation is

511
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 3: pretty legit. And at the end of the season, I

512
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 3: think they were like the sixth best defensive team. So

513
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 3: maybe the Pirates aren't that far And maybe Paul Skeens

514
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: is saying this just to say the right things because

515
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 3: he was trained really well by his agent, by some

516
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 3: media people, whatever it is. But you know what, if

517
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 3: you're somewhere, you might as well want to win while

518
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 3: you're there, and you might as well try to push

519
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 3: other people around you, not just your not just your

520
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 3: fellow players, maybe the front office, maybe ownership. You know,

521
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 3: last year at the at the awards ceremony, when we

522
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 3: had Paul Schemes on the show, Bob Nutting showed up,

523
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 3: so he showed up so he knows that Paul is

524
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 3: pitching really well for his team. Maybe this is Paul saying,

525
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 3: you know what, I'll keep doing this for you. I

526
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 3: get it. You might not resign me, but don't make

527
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 3: me spend four years in purgatory here. Don't make me.

528
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 3: Don't make me win another cy Young at ten to ten.

529
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 3: Like I've had his historical start to my career, maybe

530
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 3: you need to start doing something too. And maybe that's maybe,

531
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 3: hopefully that's what some of these comments, which are not

532
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 3: salacious at all, spurse something like get some kind of

533
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 3: fire or spark or something for the Pirates front office.

534
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: All right, well let's give his personal catcher at Henry Nobody.

535
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: No, no, I think this is I think this is

536
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: a bad stand. If I had Paul, I would have man,

537
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: I could have had the best catcher's era of all time.

538
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 2: I know crowds agrees with me. But although he's probably

539
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 2: catchers e guy like okay, oh listen, I get to

540
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 2: catch the ace. So my catcher's era is better than

541
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 2: the catcher who catches the four. Other days it might

542
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: get the five guy or a bullpen day or whatever

543
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 2: it is. I think it's one of the worst stats

544
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,239
Speaker 2: of all time because you could suck your way right

545
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 2: up into a good catcher's vra if you're good at

546
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: and I know some people that I played with that

547
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: were good at it.

548
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: Okay, but there's got something behind it because the pirates.

549
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: Are looking for it. I just told you. I just

550
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: told you what it was. If I caught Paul Schemes

551
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: right now, he might have had so Henry Davis had

552
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 2: a one point eight one ERA when he caught him, Okay,

553
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: so I might have got him to a one point seven.

554
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: Am I a better catcher than Henry Davis right now? No?

555
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: So I don't deserve any credit either, Like that's it's

556
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: the crats is laughing, But I hope he agrees with me.

557
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: Like catcher's e ra A. To me, this doesn't mean

558
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: what people think it means because it all depends on

559
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: who you catch when you catch him, what lineup, who's

560
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: available in the bullpen. It's like such a such a

561
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: random stat it can be manifuam well, good job Henry Davis.

562
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: Because I will say this about Henry is he stuck

563
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: in the big leagues and he proved he can catch

564
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: at the big league level, So for that, I will

565
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: give him kudos.

566
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: We're gonna happen. Real, what's that, Heidi?

567
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: Go ahead, keeping the ace happy? I mean, personal.

568
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 3: Catcher, Heidi, You're you're drinking the same kool aid. I'm

569
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: trying to think when you were in Boston. If that

570
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: person John Lester doesn't need a personal catcher, John Lester

571
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 3: is paid a person.

572
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: Tim Wakefield couldn't catch the knuckleball Josh Barr, so Doug

573
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: mure Belly had to get the personal from San. I

574
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: know that's different, Heidi, that's different.

575
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 3: And nobody's gonna listen to this because all the other

576
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 3: people have always sold this as if you are the

577
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 3: legit catcher. If we're going to talk about catchers e ra,

578
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: which I think it's a thing. But show me the

579
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 3: number five pitcher. Show me the number five pitcher and

580
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 3: he had a career year because you caught him all

581
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: thirty two of his starts. Show me the number four

582
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: pitcher on your staff. Don't show me, Paul Skeins, don't

583
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 3: show me John Lester.

584
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: Whoa what am Greg Mannix? Greg Mannix, back in the

585
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: day you kind of started this, Greg Max, like Tobby Lopez.

586
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: He can't catch me. Is he only hits forty homers

587
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,239
Speaker 2: a year. I need Charlie O'Brien or Eddie Perez to

588
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: catch me. Greg Max is going the Hall of Fame

589
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: no matter what.

590
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 3: Here's the two here's the two examples. AJ's gonna play

591
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 3: every five, five days in a row. I'll play one day, okay.

592
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 3: AJ has to go out there. If he's like, you

593
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 3: know what, I'm gonna give everything I have to this

594
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 3: to this one starting pitcher and screw the other four

595
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: cat pictures that I'm catching, then he's not gonna be

596
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 3: doing his job right. AJ has to focus on the

597
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: one guy that he has that one day. Whether it's

598
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: the best pitcher or the worst pitcher, you have to

599
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: focus on that. It's the same as a backup catcher.

600
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 3: Like if you're saying this guy throws, like if a

601
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 3: picture and now it was tired to me when a

602
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 3: picture would be like, ugh, I don't like throwing to

603
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: this guy. Why do you not like throwing to that guy? Like?

604
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: Is he is he holding your arm back? Well? You know,

605
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 3: he just doesn't call the right pit like you're a

606
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: grown man, call your own pictures. I feel more comfortable

607
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: the way he sets up. So then talk to the

608
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 3: other guy, like as the backup. If somebody comes to

609
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: me and complains about the starting catcher and says I

610
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 3: don't like throwing to that guy because of this, go

611
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 3: tell him we're all on the same team. Just because

612
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 3: you didn't like a shift or you didn't like the

613
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: way that something was, Like, we're all trying to win.

614
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 3: Like the catcher's era stuff is cool. It's a cool

615
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: stat but I think it's done completely wrong when we

616
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: start talking about cy Young's and the best pictures on

617
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 3: the staff. Like if I pay, if I pay somebody

618
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty million dollars, I don't need to

619
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: bring over his personal catcher. Sorry, I'm paying you one

620
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty million, you're gonna throw to the guy

621
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 3: who we won. In fact, I might even put the

622
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: bad guy back there.

623
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: By the way, Cratzy, I'm gonna use I'm gonna use

624
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: this as so. When I played for the Red Sox

625
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: for half a year, the opening day John Lester Pitch

626
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: in Baltimore, we lost one to nothing on a Nelson

627
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: Cruz homer that hit the foul pall on right field, Okay,

628
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: I didn't catch John Lesser again for months because they

629
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: said we didn't match up. Well, I'm like, not done.

630
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: This wasn't John, This wasn't John. This was the coaching staff. Okay,

631
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: So I love John, but he's like, oh yeah, I'm

632
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: like he gave up one run in like seven innings

633
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: on opening day and it was a it was a

634
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: shanked homer by Nelson Cruz that hit the foul pall.

635
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: What did I do so wrong?

636
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: Ah?

637
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: This?

638
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, whatever, and then for the other

639
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: four days I concentrate on that. But I knew as

640
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: a player, like for that one day, I wasn't gonna play,

641
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: which is totally awkward to me. Personal catchers, Fine, if

642
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: you have to have that to get by, great, but

643
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not. I'm just not. I wasn't a

644
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: believer in it, Like you should be able to throw

645
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 2: who whoever. And again, like like what krat said, if

646
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: you had a problem with something I was doing as

647
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: the everyday guy, come talk to me. I'll fix it.

648
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: Don't go behind my back and say, oh I don't

649
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: like the way he sets up all right, Well, come

650
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: to me. I can I can adjust, just tell me

651
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: have a conversation that. That's why I'm not a big

652
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: personal catcher guy. People believe in it. Fine, it works,

653
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: it works. But again, like I said, the important thing

654
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: here about Henry Davis, besides Paul Skeins winning the Pion,

655
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: Henry Davis proved he could catch in the big leagues,

656
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: and that was the big question mark.

657
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 3: So good for you. Henry Davis proved a j wrong.

658
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: You guys like he call you out. Didn't he call

659
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 3: you out? When he came on the show, he said,

660
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: I heard what you said. I heard what you said

661
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 3: on that on that first in his first.

662
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: Game, Yeah, because I his like his second game catching

663
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: he was not good and and Derek Shilton was like,

664
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: he's not a catcher. And then the next spring I

665
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: saw him and I was like, he wasn't very good,

666
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: but he listens good. That's what I'm saying. Good for you,

667
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: Henry Davis. You proved you can catch in the big leagues.

668
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: I've given him as kudos, like his value as being

669
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: the one of one pick. It was the first pick

670
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: overall was his bad and the fact you could.

671
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: Catch, I mean maybe not one of one, but.

672
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: He was one one. He was the first pick in

673
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: the dragon.

674
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: Maybe he has lived up to a one to one, but.

675
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: His value was as a catcher, and his value was

676
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: as bad as a catcher, and they put him in

677
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: right field, like make him catch and make him hit

678
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: as a catcher, that's your value pirates. Okay, there's other

679
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: people that have been No, there's other people though that

680
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: were their value as a catcher and they're moved to

681
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: other positions and they lose their value because if you

682
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: could do what you do as a hitter and a catcher,

683
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: your value goes up as a first baseman, d h

684
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: outfield or left field or whatever it is. Ambassio talk

685
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: about the Orioles boom. You lose some value because catching

686
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: is so hard.

687
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and the Orioles with his bad speed and

688
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: his comps to Jordan Alvarez and Vladimiric Junior as sealing

689
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: as a hitter, like they don't want his body taking

690
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: that wear and tear. But that's the Orioles discussion. Did

691
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: you guys see the skins with the hot dog machine

692
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: last night? He's got this in his house and this

693
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: isn't the cy Young party. Isn't just the only time

694
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: he's he's broke this out. Man likes some hot dogs.

695
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: You guys like hot dogs, and you're add on the hot.

696
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: Dogs, love them, love hot dogs. Every time I go

697
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: to a Ballparkidie, like you know you travel for Apple,

698
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: I travel for Fox. When I go into the press

699
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: dining room and they have the hot dog roller machine

700
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: and they have all the First of all, I have

701
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: to put all the condiments because I'm a Chicago dog guy.

702
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: Now they don't have the pickles and all that stuff.

703
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: They're going on Chicago dog. But I got to go

704
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: catch it. Mustard relish onions just slattered on there. And

705
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: then oh, I'm all in.

706
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: So you don't like the hot dogs, you like all

707
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: the condiments.

708
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: Can you be a man of both? Can you be

709
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: a man of both?

710
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: Crazy?

711
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 3: Hot dog's good? But only a big leaguer would look

712
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 3: at it and say, oh, yeah, I went to the

713
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: press box and have a hot dog. The minor leaguers

714
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: when the bus stops to change bus drivers on a

715
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 3: twelve hour bus trip at.

716
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: Three in the morning and you roll you're getting the

717
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: Takeito's on the hot dog roller at seven eleven.

718
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what Paul was missing. You can tell he

719
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 3: was a big leaguer. You're getting the teketos. You got

720
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: a hot I mean, you don't want one of the

721
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: front hot dogs. You want one of them mac ones

722
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: that's been on there since six probably like the dinner rush.

723
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: And now it's three in the morning.

724
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 3: Ooh, a tube fil a that's what it is.

725
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: You're hoping the lady at seven to eleven has the Cuban

726
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: Cubano press going so you can get a hot sandwich,

727
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: right Like, you're like, can we get the full hot

728
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: press Cubano? Maybe pizzas sometimes pizza is good in the

729
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: in the truck stops.

730
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 3: Man at that meat rolling doesn't know anything about.

731
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: This private jets And yeah.

732
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: You know Skien spent a good day or two in college,

733
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: so he may have, you know, eaten a couple of

734
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: peanut butter and jelly sandwiches himself.

735
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: Not Lanes.

736
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, air Force, Air Force,

737
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 3: they weren't. They weren't having that. They weren't having that

738
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 3: in the in the mess hall and l s U.

739
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: I mean it was raising canes or or walk on,

740
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 3: walk on.

741
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: Might the spread at L s U might be better

742
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: than what they get in Pittsburgh.

743
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: We get it again the n L m v P

744
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 3: bet MGM odds from starting the season. I mean, looking

745
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 3: at it now, hey, j at plus one at plus

746
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 3: one sixty, Why did we not take show?

747
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: Hey?

748
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 3: Was it?

749
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: Just?

750
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: Did we just not like free money? Because he's going

751
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: to be the m v P as long as he

752
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: stays healthy every single year.

753
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean show he's gonna win. But

754
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 2: if you bet like ten thousand dollars on that crotch,

755
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: he could have won like ten six hundred dollars. So

756
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 2: I mean you should have done that. I don't know

757
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: why you rich as hell? Why did you not do it?

758
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm at I'm at my golf course right

759
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 3: now too. If you show my picture, I'll be that's

760
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 3: that's where I am about to play, about to play

761
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 3: a round of golf with nobody. But I mean Sorber

762
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 3: made a Schwarmer made maybe my golf course. But you know, yeah,

763
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: my pupput. Actually I can see right past my rape

764
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 3: pass my monitor. I can see my uh my putting

765
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: mat that I have in my basement. So I'm slowly

766
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 3: getting better. In one day I'll be allowed to golf

767
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: at Grove City, I mean Grove twenty three whenever I

768
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: whenever my friend invites me there, since he's a member.

769
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: Better call better call Griffy and see if he can

770
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 2: get you in.

771
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 3: I mean, now we know each other. He knows me

772
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: as that backwards. So I hope, I hope you can

773
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: call him sometime to come and be a guest on

774
00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: our show.

775
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 2: So that's just that's just be he wasn't against anyways,

776
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: here's the thing. The three names up there, there was

777
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: a shorter uh so so sorry short Showta showed up.

778
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: Show there's too many sows. But schorver Soto and show

779
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: he show. He's going to win this every year as

780
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 2: long as he keeps healthy and he can pitch and hit.

781
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no way you can lose this award.

782
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: He might if he keeps healthy, he might. This isn't

783
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: really going out that bar in the lamb, but he

784
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: might break Ferry up Barry Bond's record of seven consecutive

785
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 2: mbps because nobody can compete with it what he does,

786
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: because he pitches and hits, which you've never seen.

787
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: Before, not consecutive seven total for his career.

788
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: That's what I mean.

789
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yep, Heidi, this is your read.

790
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: Ben MGM players will receive a no sweat token to

791
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: apply to any bet on Pro Football. To use the

792
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: token at a bet on Pro Football event to your

793
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: betslip and activate the token, receive bonus bets of the

794
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: bet that was made with the token. Loses if you

795
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: have a gambling problem or concern called one eight hundred gambler.

796
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: All right, sign for the hot corner, and it's a

797
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: it's a position that neither one of you ever played,

798
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: and you know, may may not have been able to handle.

799
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: I don't know catchers, but we've got some topics for you.

800
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: And Ben Rtvetz right at the age he didn't like

801
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: that comment.

802
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: Ben Wartvetz, Heidi, I was fully scared of the ball.

803
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid.

804
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: I mean it's the hot corner for a reason.

805
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: I was fully scared of the ball. Trust me. Put

806
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: the gear on me. I'm not scared. Put a helmet

807
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: on me in a bat and not scared. Put me

808
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: in the infield. Scared your death.

809
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 3: He always worried. You always were equipment. You had a

810
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: huge elbow guard when you were hitting, you had huge

811
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 3: catchy equipment. You said, Nike, make me something bigger. I'm

812
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 3: gonna wear something bigger so I don't get hurt.

813
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: True, and I didn't get hurt, Thank you NI.

814
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: Designing Apparel. Now, Ben Rtva also a catcher. Red's claimed him.

815
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 1: He was starting for the Dodgers in the wild Card

816
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: series and really.

817
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: I mean wouldn't to play where HEII, this is the

818
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 2: problem they have. They have Travino and they have Stevenson.

819
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 2: Where's he gonna play? Is he gonna be a third catcher,

820
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: He's gonna be Homer Bailey's Homer Bailey's personal catcher. Where's

821
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: he going to play? That's my problem?

822
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: Like, well, they had injuries both Stevenson and Travino last year,

823
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: so having some depth in the minor league, someone who

824
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: can come up and hold his own. Maybe not offensively,

825
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: but he certainly he was big for the Dodgers down

826
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: the stretch. Will Smith was hurt. Remember leading into the postseason,

827
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: it was when when and if he'll be back? And

828
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: he was catching in the wild Card series, So I mean, yeah,

829
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: Stevenson's their guy, but he's been hurt quite a bit.

830
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: I hate this for Ben because I was there. But

831
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 3: if I my math right, and maybe we'll have to

832
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: get it finalized. I think he has an option left.

833
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 3: So you're talking about a guy with over three years

834
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 3: of service that you could have three big league catchers.

835
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: And I know Ben didn't hit very well, but you

836
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 3: know his value is there, and maybe the Reds are like, hey,

837
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: you know what, we can pass them through waivers, probably

838
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 3: the same thing the Dodgers were hoping. And then the

839
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: Dodgers would pay him a lot to go playing Triple A,

840
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 3: like you always need three catchers every season.

841
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: Well in case the backup gets hurt brutal.

842
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: You know, they said that Trevino was a big leader

843
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: on that team too, when.

844
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: Stevens Travino on here all the time, and then he

845
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: went to the Reds and he forgot about us. So

846
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 2: you know, some people change.

847
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: And he didn't like he didn't like AJ's questions. He

848
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 3: only liked talking to backup catchers like me because he

849
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 3: has a goal. He has a platinum glove and neither

850
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 3: of us have have gold gloves or platinum skillet.

851
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 2: Was that gol.

852
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 3: You could tell You could tell Aj how good he

853
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 3: was defensively by the way he hit. He's got two

854
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 3: thousand hits, that's what his gold globe is.

855
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: Also, listen, Craszy I'm gonna say this. I was a

856
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: finalist for a goal Globe numerous years. I just never one.

857
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means. I don't know if

858
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: you can take that to arbitration, but I mean I

859
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 2: was a finalist.

860
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: Can we just talk about how hard it is to

861
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 1: play in Cincinnati? It's freezing cold.

862
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: And then it.

863
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: Goes from freezing cold to like a skillet with humility

864
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: and everything.

865
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: And listen, I'm gonna explain some of you. If you

866
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: can hit eighty one games in Cincinnati, it's like playing

867
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Speaker 2: in Colorado. Sign me up. Please? Oh wait, I missed

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Speaker 2: that one. Oh my bat's broken. Oh it goes in

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Speaker 2: the it's over great American small park. Trust me. No,

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Speaker 2: ain't no one complaining about playing in the Cincinnati to hit,

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Speaker 2: all right, And.

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Speaker 3: It's the big leagues. As last thing's Mill it said

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Speaker 3: there ain't no wind in the big leagues. Like it

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter what the temperature is, you always it's always

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Speaker 3: better playing in the big leagues cold hot. You can

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Speaker 3: complain about it, but nobody wants to listen.

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Speaker 2: Lasting Miller's never complained about anything that is true.

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Speaker 1: I was the best part when you're slapping hands at

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Speaker 1: the end of a game. Hey cratsy, what are you

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Speaker 1: wearing on your head today?

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Speaker 3: Chase Tingler's new assistant to the director of the head

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Speaker 3: coaching minor league coaching extra strategy coach for the Giants,

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Speaker 3: came on the show, so I had to wear my

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Speaker 3: Giants hat. I wasn't as good a Giant as a.

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Speaker 2: J Hum, but I was who left faster? Miria?

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Speaker 3: Oh, actually I had much better. I always tell people

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Speaker 3: I had. I had much better exit velocity with the Giants.

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00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 3: I left that clubhouse so fast. That was my exit

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Speaker 3: velocity with the Giants.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I made it a whole year, so I'm

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Speaker 2: proud of myself for that. But I will say this,

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Speaker 2: I'm more of a slap ask guy than a slap

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Speaker 2: hands guy.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair. Would be a good show, wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: a segment? Good segment name slap hands?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think half the guys doing in

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Speaker 1: the line. Anyway, Why do you leave that? Speaking of

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Speaker 1: the opposite of great American Ballpark?

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Speaker 3: Why did you believe so fist in San Francisco Because

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Speaker 3: I stunk and they didn't

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Speaker 2: Want me me too grab