1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Your holster is way more important than you think it is. 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: It's just way more important than you think it is. 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: What look, and I get that the holsters not the 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: sexy part of carrying firearms. All right, You want to 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: talk about your weapon and your ammunition. You want to 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: talk about your safety training. You want to talk about 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: how you did at the range. Oh, look at my groups. 8 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: I was doing these failure drills today, and all that 9 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: stuff is really important. I mean, really really important. I'm 10 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: not discounting that, but I've known so many people who 11 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: do all those things. They take all the necessary steps, 12 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: and then they carry with a holster they bought from 13 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: a big box hunting store that was made a thousand 14 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: at a time. Please don't put your life in one 15 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: of those holsters. You need to trust Northwest Retention Systems 16 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: because it's all custom made gear. It's the only thing 17 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: I carry around NW Retention dot Com. That's NW Retention 18 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: dot Com used to promo co Jesse gets you ten 19 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 1: percent off. It's not often I'm uncertain about my position 20 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: on things. But if there's anything that's given me pause 21 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: in recent months, it's China. Free markets. Government control, what 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: government should oversee, what government shouldn't oversee. And this is 23 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: what I mean. China is our enemy. They are not 24 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: exactly shy about that fact. We know China's our enemy. 25 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: They're publishing things on it. For Pete's sake. We've caught 26 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: them spying on us several times. You've seen the news 27 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: as we continue to arrest Chinese spy after Chinese spy 28 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: right here on American soil. Let's stop. I understand we 29 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: have to live in this world of politeness now, but 30 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,279 Speaker 1: you know I don't do that. China is our enemy. Okay, 31 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: we know that. Let's establish that. What do we do 32 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: about it? What do we do about American companies doing 33 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: business there? A lot of business there, packing up and 34 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 1: moving their manufacturing operation over there and then shipping goods 35 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: back here. How do we handle that? And this is 36 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: the reason I personally struggle with it. I realize that 37 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: China now is a threat. We're talking the kind of 38 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: threat not in the short term, but in the long 39 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: term that can end the United States of America. They 40 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: are that significant. They are on equal footing in a 41 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 1: lot of ways with us economically, militarily. They're there knowing 42 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: that they're that big of a threat. What should we 43 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: do about that, not to them, to our own people. 44 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: What do we do to the pharmaceutical company that chooses 45 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: to make its products over there, giving China the ability 46 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: to say, no, you're not sending anything back to the 47 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: United States of America anymore. What do we do? What 48 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: do we do about American companies that do a ton 49 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: of business there. What do we do about Hollywood? You 50 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: and I love to complain about actors and actresses and 51 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: this insane leftist culture that's out there now. We love 52 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: doing it right, and we should. Hollywood is important, though, 53 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it's fun for us to scoff at the 54 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: latest actor or actress and their idiotic political stance. Though 55 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: who cares what that guy thinks. That's part of culture. 56 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: It does matter. It does matter when we have Hollywood movies, 57 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: several of them being made, and we find out they're 58 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: being censored by China. And I don't mean we're not 59 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: going to allow that movie here in China. I mean 60 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: China picking up the phone calling Hollywood executives saying, ah, 61 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: you're cutting that scene out. You know that seems a 62 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: little too anti China. We don't want that, and them 63 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: saying yes, sir, I'll get that done. What are we 64 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: going to allow China to control what can be put 65 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: up on the big screen in the United States of America? 66 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: Is that okay? And I'm uncomfortable with it. I don't 67 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: want the government stepping into Hollywood either and saying you 68 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: will do this and you won't do that, because government sucks. 69 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: But we also can't exist in a world where China 70 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: controls things. Can We're going to have to ask ourselves 71 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: some hard questions, you and I here in the future 72 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: about what we're prepared to do. Because these people, they 73 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: have an Eastern philosophy of war and combat, and you 74 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: must understand that is different than the Western philosophy. It 75 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: is a much more patient philosophy. People talk all the time, 76 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: I what if China is going to invade. I'm never 77 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,799 Speaker 1: giving up my guns, for one, never give up your guns. 78 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: But China is not going to invade. Why would you 79 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: invade when you're winning? Why would you invade when we 80 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: already know They openly support some of the leftist street 81 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: activism in the United States of America. They cheer on 82 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: our leftist media empire as they completely ripped this country apart. 83 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: We have leftists who've taken over the American education system 84 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: and educate the next generation of students about how bad 85 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: America sucks. And then they move on to college and 86 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: we have actual Chinese spies reinforcing that. Why would they 87 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: do anything. They don't have to do anything. All they 88 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: have to do is sit back and wait. So again 89 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: I ask you, what are you comfortable with? What aren't 90 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: you comfortable with? When it comes to taking on this threat. 91 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: We've run into this before, and frankly, we've failed at 92 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: it pretty badly. Russia knew this back when we were 93 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: fighting the comedies in the Cold War. They knew our 94 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: free society would make it more difficult for us to 95 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: control them than it would when we're spying on them. 96 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: It's easier for Russia here in the United States of America. 97 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: If you'd like to drive by an American military facility, 98 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: in American nuclear facility, there's no problem there. Go drive 99 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: on by, snap some pictures on the way by. Try 100 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: to pull that in Russia. See what happens. Our free 101 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: society makes it easier to take us down from within. 102 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: How do we keep that freedom while stopping bad guys 103 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: from destroying us? We're gonna have to figure it out. 104 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: I am very very thankful. Though all the good things 105 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: I could say about the Trump administration, I'm very thankful 106 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: he appears to take this threat very very seriously. We 107 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: must hold accountable the nation which unleash this plague unto 108 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: the world. China. In the earliest days of the virus, 109 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: China lockdown traveled domestically while allowing flights to leave China 110 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: and infect the world. China condemned my travel ban on 111 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: their country, even as they canceled domestic flights and locked 112 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: citizens in their homes. The Chinese government and the World 113 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: Health Organization, which is virtually controlled by China, falsely declared 114 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: that there was no evidence of human to human transmission. Later, 115 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: they falsely said people without symptoms would not spread the disease. 116 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: The United Nations must hold China accountable for their actions. 117 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: In addition, every year, China dumps millions and millions of 118 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: tons of plastic and trash into the oceans, over fishes 119 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: other countries, waters, destroys vast swaths of coral reef, and 120 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: emits more toxic mercury into the atmosphere than any country 121 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: anywhere in the world. All that's right, and credit to 122 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump for actually speaking that kind of truth. When's 123 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: the last time you heard a Democrat or Republican speaking 124 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: like that? They all tipped to around it. I mean, well, 125 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: they China needs to be better. But there's there our friends. 126 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I like them a lot. It's just a 127 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: little better. That's fine. Good for him for speaking that 128 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: kind of truth. And back to what he said at 129 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: the very beginning of that. Have we forgotten what they 130 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: did in coronavirus? I feel like this is the most 131 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 1: underreported news story out there right now. It just kind 132 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: of went away. China blocked domestic air travel and allowed 133 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: travel internationally. China, whether they created this bug or not, 134 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: intentionally spread coronavirus around the world. What have we done 135 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: about it? What has the world joined together to do 136 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: it about it? To do about it now? I granted, 137 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: the loss of life, while significant, has not been nearly 138 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: as bad as those idiotic models said they were. But 139 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: the economic consequences nations have gone to war over a 140 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: lot less and I'm not telling you I want to 141 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: go to war with China, but the world had better 142 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: come up with some kind of a response to teach 143 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: them a lesson for next time. Pompeo had this to say, 144 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: we should take them at their work. When Shishingping talks 145 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: about national rejuvenation, he's not talking about a party. He's 146 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: not talking about having a really good day in a celebration. 147 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: He's talking about the Middle Kingdom. He's talking about these 148 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: central ideas of nationalism, Chinese nationalism, and the Marxist Leninists 149 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: underpinnings of his regime. He's dedicated to that. He's committed 150 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: to it, He's put resources against it. They have a 151 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: model that has highly developed state sponsored enterprises and their 152 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: civil military fusion program. These are things. These are things 153 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: Shishingping knows, and for and awfully long time, the West 154 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: sat on its hands, we turned the other cheek. We 155 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: What I spoke about at the Nixon Library most clearly 156 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: was a need to reorient and recognize that whatever the 157 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: policy that we're chosen back in the nineteen seventies, whether 158 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: they may well have made sense at the time, it 159 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: no longer makes sense for the security of the American people. 160 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: This isn't just a security issue. This is a fundamental 161 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: understanding about how economies grow and how we preserve jobs 162 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: and wealth, creation and prosperity. Here in the United States 163 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: of America. He's right, and man, does that not bring 164 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: home the November election and what's at stake when you 165 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: consider what we learned, what we learned earlier this week 166 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: about Hunter Biden and his extensive ties to China and 167 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's extensive ties to China. For anything else domestically, 168 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: whatever you feel about any other issue, we simply cannot 169 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: afford to turn back the clock and be a pro 170 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: China country anymore. We can't. They're eating our lunch. Good 171 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: for Donald Trump and the Trump administration for waking America 172 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: up to that fact. All that may have made you uncomfortable, 173 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: but I'm right. We'll be back joining me now. Former 174 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: Congressman and current dean of business at Liberty University, Dave 175 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: Brad Congressman, I've never asked you before. You're this fancy 176 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: dean of business at Liberty University, which is in Virginia. 177 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: How do you not wear a bow tie? What kind 178 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: of college professor are you? I'm kind of an old 179 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: school Calvinist guy. Some I guess some of our guys 180 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: wore bow ties, but it's too much for me. I'm 181 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: from the Midwest. Can't pull it off. Oh, you're crazy. 182 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: I'd be bow tie. I'd be in a sear sucker 183 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: suit every day, probably a corn cob pipe. I'd just 184 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: be a noxious about it. Oh, serious, sucker is another 185 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: matter that I can go that route. That's good, Okay. 186 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: We you and I have talked a million times about China, 187 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: and we talk about who's against them, who's working against them, 188 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: how we're against them, how they're against us. What we've 189 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: never really dug into is who is for them on 190 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: an international stage. Who are China's allies. I'm assuming they 191 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: have some. Who are they? Yeah, well, one of them 192 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: is Larry Fink at black Rock, the head of the 193 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: biggest financial firm in the world for starters. The second 194 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: are you know, leadership of the Republican and Democrat parties. 195 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: And you know China has been growing at ten percent. 196 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: You can't go wrong. You can't make a bad bet 197 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: when your own economy is growing at two two and 198 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: a half, three three under Trump and the China's growing 199 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: at ten that that's a big spread. And so Larry Fink, 200 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: he's doing this. You know, people need a Google Google 201 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: Justin dan Hoff. He's a young rising hero who's just 202 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: doing the transparency work on guys like Fink in China. 203 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: And Fink is pushing this ESG idea here in the US. 204 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: ESG shits for environment, social justice, and liberal governance, and 205 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: he's pushing that here against profit maximization. Right, so stakeholder theory, 206 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: liberal social goods, all that. At the same time he's saying, 207 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: shove half your money into China. China is not particularly 208 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: known for clean's guys, social justice unless you consider totalitarian repression, 209 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: social justice, and liberal governance. They don't know what the 210 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: word liberal liberty means. And so I mean, you can't 211 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: make a more stark joke, right, So it's justin Danhof 212 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: passed think at his board meeting with Blackrock, how do 213 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: you explain this, sir? And it was crickets, just utter crickets. 214 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: And that's that's somewhat symbolic of of everything right on 215 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: the Democratic side for sure with Biden, some of it 216 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: on the Republican side. But China gives special deals to 217 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: the first entrance right to the billionaire class. They're laughing, right, 218 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: all this social violence you see down here, you know, 219 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: waving the hands a little magic trick. The billionaires are 220 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: up here laughing their heads off. Because all is violence 221 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: down here. They don't care. They pay a little money 222 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: on the side and they get their safe safety, you know, 223 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: insurance premium paid with the radicals, and they're laughing all 224 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: the way to the bank, getting the billions with the 225 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: international business contracts. So that's who's why's China growing at 226 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: ten percent? I thought they were a comedy country. Yeah, well, 227 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: and that they were ten and then nine, then eight, 228 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: and this is announced by China. Then I think down 229 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: to seven or so, and then COVID hit and now 230 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: they were probably negative last year for sure, last few quarters, 231 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: and you know they'll bump up to two or three 232 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: for sure at a minimum. We'll see what we do. 233 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: But they can centralize all assets and force their labor 234 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: to work at cheap wages seven days a week, twelve 235 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: hours a day without a peep. They can organize, you know, 236 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: build airports, freeways, apartments, condos in the first round. But 237 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: that's what's going wrong right now. Right now, the second 238 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: wave of investment is not as productive. Right after you 239 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: put in your first airport, if you build a second one, 240 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: the rate of return goes down. First one's highly productive, 241 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: the second one's not. And so they run out of 242 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: the easy first passes. Now it was where free markets 243 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: have to kick in and the price system informs you 244 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: about what is worthy of investment and what's not, and 245 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: central planning won't work when it gets more complex. So 246 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: I think they're actually five years or so in crack 247 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: up range, and I seriously mean that. Okay, so what's 248 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: China's move? I agree with you, what's China's move? I'm 249 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: understandably concerned about that. If crack up time starts, what 250 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: does the country like that do? Because history tells me 251 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: if you're sitting on a huge military the economy starts 252 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: cracking up. I know where that goes from there? Right? No, 253 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: well that's right. And so their move a year ago 254 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: was to create a consumer class. So they were on 255 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: the way to creating that consumer clive like we have. Right, 256 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: the seventy percent of our GDP is consumption, so they 257 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: wanted to achieve that and so they don't have to 258 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: rely on consumption from the West. But then COVID hit 259 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: and now they've revealed themselves, right, and you have doctor Jan. 260 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: I think we covered it last time. Doctor Jan's out 261 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: there saying this was a man made virus, and she 262 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: has her next paper coming out will prove it was 263 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: sent by China. So if the world finds that out, 264 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: good luck. And you've already seen a hint China being 265 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: willing to give up Home Kong where all the dollar 266 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: trades are made right, not GDP, but all the dollar 267 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: trades go through Hong Kong, and the idea that they're 268 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: willing to give that up. And tell the West last week, 269 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: if you send anyone to Hong Kong, they might not 270 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: come back. Hint, hint. That tells you that they're past 271 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: the consumption economy. They might even be foregoing the investment economy, 272 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: and they're just going to hunker down and go internal. 273 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: And so what you just said there, your intuition is 274 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: just spot on what comes next. You're internal, naval gazing, repressive, 275 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: not rowing. You need a military. And the poor Chinese, right, 276 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: one point four billion people created in the image of God. 277 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: We love them, We do not love the CCP. The 278 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: government were their communist totalitarian tyrants. How to trying to 279 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: get so many people? Just start a huge and they 280 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: now now it's interested in I don't want as many people, right, 281 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: and so this I don't want to expect. Yeah, you 282 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: do the math on who COVID's hitting and all that 283 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: kind of thing. Okay, so help me understand why would 284 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: they make such an aggressive move on Hong Kong when 285 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: Trump has been so hard on China and strong on China. 286 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: Were we powerless to stop what they did? No, I 287 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: don't think we're gonna let it stand. I don't think 288 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 1: Trump will let it stand. I don't think Pompeo let 289 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: it stand. And so you know, we flew some folks 290 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: in there this weekend. I think I heard there was 291 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: some Strafen or whatever from the Chinese shooting some guns 292 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: off or whatever. I haven't confirmed that. But the reason 293 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: they have to win on Hong Kong is because of 294 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: the information firewall. They are so scared of that. That's 295 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: their number one enemy is the free flow of information 296 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: to the Chinese people, and so they have to do 297 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: everything in their power to keep that in checkmate. And 298 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: the idea that the Hong Kong folks fight back a 299 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: little bit from the intent and win, and then the 300 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: word gets out that the CCP lost a battle that's 301 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: unheard of, and so that that's my best guess. What 302 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: do we do with Taiwan? What happens with Taiwan. Yeah, 303 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: well similar, I mean that that's similar. There are good friends. 304 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: They're Democrat, they're committee. We we we need to get. You know, 305 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: this is the irony of Trump's America. First is actually 306 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: we have more real friends now tied together by self interest, 307 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: which is the kind of friends. I like to have 308 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: friends who will turn on you, who aren't really friends, 309 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: who don't share the same ends. That's Aristotle for you 310 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: can quote me on that one friends share the same 311 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: ends or goals. Right, that's a pretty good definition of 312 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: a true friend. And so now we've got Indie is 313 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: Moody in Australia and the cast of you know, Germany 314 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: and UK are coming back. And UK put a put 315 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: a battleship to Queen Elizabeth, I think in the water 316 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: and send it over in the South China Sea for 317 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: the first time. And so now we got real friends. 318 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: And so China they're powerful, but they're not that powerful. 319 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: They cannot withstand the group I just mentioned. Well, that 320 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: is good news, Dave Brett as always, thank you, sir, Hey, 321 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: thank you, Jesse, appreciate it. All right, we'll be back 322 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: joining us now. Our resident expert on China, author of 323 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: The Coming Collapse, of China, and you can find him 324 00:20:55,520 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: on Twitter at Gordon ji Chang Gordon. I am getting 325 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: less and less hopeful about the collapse of China, and 326 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: this is the reason why I don't feel like people 327 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: outside of Donald Trump's sphere in this country are taking 328 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,479 Speaker 1: this as seriously as they take it. I look at 329 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: all this stuff with Hunter Biden and Joe Biden, and 330 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: I'm actually not trying to be partisan. You can't expect 331 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: that family to crack down on China if elected. Yes, 332 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 1: I agree with you, because that family has a direct 333 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: financial interest in the maintenance of the regime. The only 334 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,959 Speaker 1: hope is that the American people would force a Biden 335 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: administration into defending the Republic. And indeed, China may be 336 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: just so provocative and belligerent because it feels it can 337 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: push around to Biden that maybe the President would then 338 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: have no choice but to take resident measures. But indeed, 339 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: we've got to be concerned because the Vice president has 340 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: said things pre campaign which lead us to believe that 341 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: he wants a cooperative relationship with Beijing, one where the 342 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: United States supports the Communist Party. Why what is this 343 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: just a personal financial interest thing for the Bidens and 344 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: any other politicians, Republicans or otherwise involved with China. Is 345 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: it just financial? Was there some kind of ideology that 346 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: they're agreeing with it? What is it? I don't get it. Yeah, 347 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: I think that essentially we're talking about more than just 348 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: financial interest. We're talking about a ideology that has prevailed 349 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: in the American circles, both Republicans and Democrats, liberals and 350 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: conservatives for a half century that the United States must 351 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: engage China, that has China grows stronger, it will become benign, 352 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: and so therefore we'll be able to work with China 353 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: as a partner, that it will be a central element 354 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: of any solution to global problems. Now, unfortunately, as we've seen, 355 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: specially under Chinese ruler Siege and Ping, that that has 356 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: not worked out. Fatter of fact, it's absolutely the opposite 357 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: of what we had hoped. But many people have not 358 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: given up that dream, and that really is the problem 359 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: that they are looking at it China as they wish 360 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: it to be, not as it actually is. President Trump 361 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: has pivoted and is dealing with the China that he sees. 362 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: Where do people learn this? Is this something that's taught 363 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: in schools? Is this just one of those things as 364 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: standard DC thinking. So let's go along with it, because 365 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: I hear that way of thinking and honestly, it just 366 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: sounds like madness to me. It sounds like a child fantasy. Well, yeah, 367 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: engagement theory just never was, as you point out, realistic, 368 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: because engagement really is appeasement with a new name, and 369 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: we know how that worked out in the nineteen thirties. 370 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: But this really comes from, you know, started in the 371 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 1: nixt administration with this whole notion that we can't leave 372 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: China outside the Family of Nations. And it has gathered 373 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: steam for various reasons, including some people have a financial 374 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: interest in maintaining ties which such as Wall Street, such 375 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: as multi nationals. So there's support for this, but as 376 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,479 Speaker 1: we have seen over the last couple of years, support 377 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: has eroded as they've seen what Beijing in fact has 378 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: been doing because Beijing is not only dangerous, it's committing atrocities. 379 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: This is something the world just abhors, was next and 380 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: wrong for trying it, was that whole thing wrong from 381 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: the beginning, or where other people are just dumb for 382 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: continuing it. Well, I think during the Cold War we 383 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: had a very different situation where we were in an 384 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: existential conflict, and many people in Washington thought, and I 385 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: think wrongly, but they thought that the United States was losing, 386 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: that the Soviet Union was stronger. This was the feeling 387 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: of Dayton that you have to get along with China. 388 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: What changed is Reagan came along and then said, no, 389 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: we don't have to put up with this. We are 390 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: going to deal with the evil empire. So it was 391 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: Reagan thinking that really changed things. And again, you know, 392 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: we have the same sort of thinking. Well, you know, 393 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: China will inevitably be the world's hegamen, it will dominate us. 394 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: We better get along with them. We better appease the Chinese, 395 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: although they don't use that word. They say, we'll engage 396 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: the Chinese. So this is thinking which is embedded in 397 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: the American foreign policy establishment, people who are actually in 398 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: favor of declinism. And yes, I don't get it. Did 399 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: we win the Cold War? And this is what I 400 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: mean by that. I'm I'm not honestly, I'm not trying 401 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: to be glue. I understand the Soviet Union fell, but 402 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: if the Cold War was between capitalism and communism, and 403 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: we have Chinese professors getting arrested every single day. We 404 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: have Chinese spies and US senators cars, we have Chinese 405 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: censorship of our entertainment industry, Chinese ownership of huge parts 406 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: of our country. Did we really stop communism or did 407 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: they just move right in? Well, they moved right in. 408 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: You know. We think of the Cold War as the 409 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: struggle with the Soviet Union and its proxies. So yes, 410 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: you can say we won that. But the one thing 411 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: that we forgot is that history doesn't take a rest. 412 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: I hate in many ways, quoting Kissinger approvingly, but he 413 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: did say something which is absolutely essential, and he said 414 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: in the Euphoria of the Fall of the Soviet Union 415 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: that history has no plateaus. We thought history had plateaued, 416 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: as Francis Fukuyama said famously, history has ended, liberal democracy 417 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: has won. No, We've got to remember that this is 418 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: a constant struggle, and as Reagan taught us, freedom is 419 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: no more than one generation away from extinction. And as 420 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: we look around our society today, it's a lot less 421 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: than one generation. Where's Japan falling? All this? I feel 422 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: like Japan is a gigantic mystery to most Americans. Our 423 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: knowledge of that country at the end of World War two, 424 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,479 Speaker 1: I know we're obviously friends. Now where do they fall 425 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: in the America China sphere. Well, Japan is very much 426 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: on our side. They feel threatened by China because China 427 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: is trying to grab Japanese islands and actually dismember the 428 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: Japanese nation. So Japan is more resolute than we are 429 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: on some things, and certainly has better North Korea policies 430 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: than we've had for quite some time. So the Japanese, 431 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: who are right up front against North Korea, right up 432 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: front against China, feel the challenge more than we do 433 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: because we're on the other side of the Pacific. But 434 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: as China has shown us, the Pacific affords no barrier 435 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: to Chinese aggression, to their hostility, to their acts against 436 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: our society. So, you know, Japan is very much on 437 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: our side. And by the way, of course, it is 438 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: a treaty partner. Their pledge to defend us, We're pledged 439 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: to defend them. Are you in what way are they 440 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: better with North Korea than we are? What do you 441 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: mean by that? Because especially the Japanese public has been 442 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 1: extremely skeptical of North Korea. We have always tried to 443 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,479 Speaker 1: come to some arrangements with North Korea, and this has 444 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: been consistent from administration to administration. Japan for the most part, 445 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: has been very much realizing the hostility of the North 446 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: Korean regime. Now, from time to time, Japanese prime ministers 447 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: will try to do what ours do, and that is 448 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: our leaders do, and that is to decide to see 449 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: if we can come to terms. But for the most part, 450 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: I think Japan's had a much better policy on regard 451 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: to North Korea. They're just wary of it. They're not 452 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: going to try to support it with trade and engagement 453 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: and with diplomatic overtures. What's the Chinese North Korean relationship? 454 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: Is it big brother, little brother, father son? Are they 455 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: anyways that they best friends? What is it? It's really 456 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: I think China controls the North Korean regime. Now. Of course, 457 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: over the course of centuries, the Chinese and Koreans have 458 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: what many wars. That border between China and Korea has 459 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: moved hundreds of miles in both directions because of conquest 460 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: the North Korean regime. Right now, you can say that 461 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: the Kim family has and this is a strong word, 462 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: but it's actually they have hated the Chinese, I mean 463 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: viscerally hated the Chinese, but that doesn't really describe the 464 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: relationship because the Kim regime knows that it is absolutely 465 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: dependent on China. And I think the way that we 466 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: can best illustrate this is that Kim Jong un, the 467 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: North Korean leader, went to Chinese soil four times before 468 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: Siejun Ping, the Chinese ruler, went to Pieongyang. That's a 469 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: real indication of the balance of power in that relationship. 470 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: The proof is in the pudding. Gordon Chang, go find 471 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,239 Speaker 1: him on Twitter at Gordon g Chang. Thank you so 472 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: much that I appreciate you wisdom. Oh well, thank you, 473 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: all right, we'll be back joining me now, Senator from 474 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: the Great State of Tennessee Marsha Blackburn and also author 475 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: of the book The Mind of a Conservative Woman Seeking 476 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: the Best for Family in Country, Senator, before we get 477 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: to your book, which we've talked about before and we're 478 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: going to talk about again because apparently we really need 479 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: to spread this message around this country. I'm told you 480 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: wrote a white paper for the Senate about China. Now, 481 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: there are those of us who are extremely uneducated and 482 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: don't know what a white paper is. What is it? 483 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: What we did was a white paper on how to 484 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: deal with China because now people are saying, in this 485 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: post COVID error or as we're in COVID, we need 486 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: to hold China to account. But what are we going 487 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: to do about it? And Jesse I have worked on 488 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: the China issue since I came to Congress in two 489 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: thousand and three, because of all the entertainers and the 490 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: creative industry that is there in Nashville, and then through 491 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: my work at Energy and Commerce Committee, realize their impact 492 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: on technology, on auto manufacturing, what they were doing to 493 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: halt pharmaceutical production in the US. You begin to see 494 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: this tangled web that they are weaving. So we have 495 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: about a hundred recommendations for ways you can deal with China. 496 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: We're looking at Jijingping in this and how he is 497 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: more Maoist in his approach than any of China's other leaders. 498 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: We're also looking at what is happening with the weakers 499 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: and the human rights violations. Can you explain how he's 500 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: more Maoists than the others. I think people do not 501 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: realize how aggressive this human being is, how imperialist he is. 502 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: This is not a guy who's just content to be 503 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: dictator of China. He's more, isn't he yes? And what 504 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: we know when it was Chairman Mao, what did you 505 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: hear regularly that they wanted to spread the China Kingdom 506 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: around the globe. And so with Jping, what you're seeing 507 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: they're practicing debt diplomacy with countries all around the globe. 508 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: Countries that are in need of technology. They say, oh, 509 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: we'll help you with that. We will bring in the 510 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: technology and we will carry that debt for you and 511 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: then you can pay us back over a period of time. 512 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: And actually, if you look at the Horn of Africa, 513 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: there are some countries that eighty percent of their total 514 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: debt is now held by China, which is very dangerous 515 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: for them. In essence, China is finding themselves running that country. 516 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: So that is the type thing we're looking at in 517 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: this white paper. It is a great way to say 518 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: China is a problem. There are issues that can be 519 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: dealt with, There is a way we can move forward 520 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: with them, and here are some solutions that would bring 521 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: us closer to unraveling our relationship with China. Senator, what's 522 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: in Africa? I have heard rumors of this before, that 523 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: China really is getting a basically modern day colonies going 524 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,959 Speaker 1: in Africa, and I don't understand why. What's in it 525 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: for them? What's there? Yeah, well, what is in it 526 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: for them is a population that is in need of technology, 527 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: so Huawei technology. Take Jibouti for instance. Djibouti has a 528 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,719 Speaker 1: wonderful port, and what China wanted to do was to 529 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: build a commercial shipping port. In addition, since everything in 530 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 1: China is the Chinese Communist Party, what they have done 531 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 1: with building that commercial shipping port, they're at Jibouti. They 532 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 1: have done a military post for the Chinese Navy, so 533 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: they have their surveillance center there now. For Jibouti, they said, 534 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: you want technology, We'll give all of your people cell phones. 535 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: We will put cameras onto every street corner so that 536 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: you have a wired, smart community. So guess what, all 537 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: of a sudden, the Chinese can track the Djiboutins. And 538 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: then China has a port there in the Horn of Africa. 539 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: They have now moved to another continent, so this is 540 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: part of their world dominance. You know, Jesse, I think 541 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: it's very important to realize China does not desire to 542 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: be a member of the Community of Nations. China wants 543 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: the community of nations to be subservient to China. Yeah, well, 544 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,399 Speaker 1: well Chibouti is really fun to say, so at least 545 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: we do have that. Now, you had mentioned entertainers and 546 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: what China, how China affects entertainers. Can you elaborate on 547 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: that a little. It's not something people think about it, 548 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: it's not something people talk about what's happening there. What 549 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: is happening there is that their music is pirated and 550 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: or take a Gibson guitar. What they will do is 551 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: knock off the design of the Gibson guitar and then 552 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: they sell a pirated version. Somebody buys it. They're none 553 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: the wiser because the Chinese go in and they mock 554 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: up all of the certificates in the papers. And then 555 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 1: Gibson gets this guitar that is a default, a faulty item. 556 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: It comes into the guitar factory and they realize that 557 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: this is not their product, so they extend it back 558 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: to the person. This is a pirated item, this is 559 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: not a Gibson guitar item. And you see that happening 560 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: for people in the film industry or the TV industry. 561 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: The Chinese will go in and they take all of 562 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: their creative content and they repackage it, but they never 563 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: pay for it. When you look at technology, you know 564 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: there's all this being said about banning TikTok in the US. Well, 565 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: guess what, Every app that is made by a US 566 00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: app maker is banned in China. This is the way 567 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: China plays. And what we're saying is it's time to 568 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,439 Speaker 1: hold them to account. We no longer need to give 569 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: them the benefit of the doubt. We need to bring 570 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: back our pharmaceutical manufacturing. We need to make certain that 571 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: they when they make a deal, they're going to uphold 572 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: that deal. US companies need to realize when they're doing 573 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: business in China, they are in bed with the Chinese 574 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: Communist Party. This coronavirus thing, Honestly, whatever happened, whatever we 575 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: did here, the part of it that just shocks me 576 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,720 Speaker 1: the most is that China close their domestic air travel 577 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: and let their people they're sick people spread around the war. Now, 578 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: I certainly am not somebody who would ever beat war 579 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: drums about anything or things we need to go to 580 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: war with China, but that is an act of war 581 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: at any period of time and history, is it not. Well, 582 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: one of the things that we do know as China 583 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: they knew they had this virus. They knew for fifty 584 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: something days that this was an epidemic, moving to a pandemic. 585 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: During that period of time, what did they do. They 586 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: hoarded ppe from around the world because they knew it 587 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: was going to be needed. They prohibited people from Wuhan 588 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 1: in Ubei Province from going anywhere else in China, but 589 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: they could go to the Wuhan International Airport, get on 590 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: a plane, and fly anywhere else in the world they 591 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: wanted to fly. Of course, many of these people had 592 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: been exposed to the coronavirus they developed the COVID nineteen. 593 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: It was early on in the pandemic. No one knew 594 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,879 Speaker 1: what it was, or how to detect it or how 595 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: to treat it. And I give President Trump an incredible 596 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: amount of credit because he ended travel with China and 597 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: said we are not going to lend those planes here. 598 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: He limited their ability to come into the country. And 599 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: then when federal agencies were moving too slowly responding to this, 600 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: what did he do? He said, Okay, I'm going to 601 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: call the vaccine makers over to the White House. We're 602 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: going to discuss this, and I'm going to develop a 603 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: project work speed that we will run out of the FDA. 604 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: He did it. That is why we have three vaccines 605 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: that are in clinical trials right now, and as they 606 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: are in those clinical trials, they are already manufacturing the vaccine. 607 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 1: It is why people were able to get ventilators in Ppe. 608 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: He said to the automakers, we need ventilators who can 609 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: retool and make them. And now we've been supplying ventilators 610 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: to other countries. It is why all of a sudden 611 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: there were these face shiels. People that were into three 612 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: D printing, they retooled, they made face shiells. People that 613 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: were in other garment manufacturing started making masks. And then 614 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: he called the retailers in and he said, we have 615 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,439 Speaker 1: to get all of this to the American people, and 616 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: you cannot price gouge. And they all made a commitment 617 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: and they did it. And even our whiskey makers in Tennessee, 618 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: our distillers, what did they do. They started making sanitizers, 619 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: so they got in on the act also. So this 620 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,240 Speaker 1: is the way that you address these problems. And President 621 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: Trump was a great leader through the whole thing. Senator, 622 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: how can people get your book? People need to read 623 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: this book, especially women. I've got to tell you right now, 624 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 1: the book is perfectly timed for what's going on is 625 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 1: and that we're going to have a female Supreme Court. 626 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: I'm any women that, And the book's so intentional about 627 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: by us and prejudice and preferencing against conservative women. 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