Speaker 1: Look out. It's only films to be buried with. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Goldstein. I am a comedian, an actor, a writer,
Speaker 1: a director, a marksman, and I love film. As Henry
Speaker 1: Frederick Ariel once said, we only understand that which is
Speaker 1: already within us, like instinctively, I understand that High Life
Speaker 1: is a masterpiece, but neither I nor Claire Deny can
Speaker 1: fully explain it to you. That's quite right, Henry Frederic.
Speaker 1: I know that feeling. Every week I invite a special
Speaker 1: guest over. I tell them they've died. Then I get
Speaker 1: them to discuss their life through the films that meant
Speaker 1: the most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Kevin Smith,
Speaker 1: Jamila Jamil and even Ked Cramble's. But this week it's
Speaker 1: the brilliant comedian Loaisa Gola. Get over to the patroon
Speaker 1: at patron dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein, where you
Speaker 1: get an extra fifteen minutes chat with Louisa where we
Speaker 1: talk about beginnings and ending to talk about the film
Speaker 1: that changed his perspective on something. You get a secret,
Speaker 1: You get the whole episode uncut and as a video.
Speaker 1: Check it out over at patreon dot com Forward slash
Speaker 1: prect Obviously, ted Lasso season two has only two episodes left.
Speaker 1: To get caught up on All the Epps on Apple
Speaker 1: TV Plus. Sorry I said Epps. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm in the biz. That's how we do. They got
Speaker 1: time to say episodes, have we And also check out
Speaker 1: soul Mates on Amazon Pride. One will make you happy,
Speaker 1: the other will make you think so. Louisa Gola is
Speaker 1: a superstar comedian from South Africa. He had his own
Speaker 1: late night's show for six years. He's now working mostly
Speaker 1: in the UK. We've never met before. We've recorded this
Speaker 1: on Zoom the other day. It was great, You're gonna
Speaker 1: love it. So that is it for now. I very
Speaker 1: much hope you enjoy episode one hundred and sixty six
Speaker 1: of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome to
Speaker 1: Films to be Buried With. It is me Brett Goldstein,
Speaker 1: and I'm joined today by an international superstar, a writer,
Speaker 1: a performer, a stand up an award winner, a late
Speaker 1: night showman, a award winning traveler of the world and
Speaker 1: performer in every venue you've ever seen. A hero to
Speaker 1: people in all the continents. Please welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: The Brilliant Lisa gla. Yeah, man, that's a great intro.
Speaker 1: Hey man, how are you? I'm good. I hope I
Speaker 1: can match your energy. So far, so good, man, so far,
Speaker 1: so good. Now I am currently in America recording this,
Speaker 1: and you are currently in the London. London. Yeah, the London. Cool,
Speaker 1: that's one way to look at it. I'm in the London.
Speaker 1: Tell me about your You've been very well now, right,
Speaker 1: I've been here four months now, but I mean I've
Speaker 1: been here maybe five years now. I've lived on and
Speaker 1: our five years, but now I've kind of more permanently.
Speaker 1: Also because it's it's it's probably the most open place
Speaker 1: I can stay in um in terms of like everything
Speaker 1: is open. And then also it's it's very difficult to
Speaker 1: move around the world right now, so you just gotta
Speaker 1: stay pard. You've got bigger place in stack are you? There?
Speaker 1: Are you doing just stand up? There? Are you doing
Speaker 1: other things? Doing stand up? And other things? I eat
Speaker 1: as well? Oh yeah, yeah, I have sandwiches, have coffee,
Speaker 1: so by other things. If that's what you mean, that's
Speaker 1: what I do. Yeah, I guess. So how's the stand
Speaker 1: up going. That's cool. I mean stand up is great.
Speaker 1: Audiences back to normal in London. Everything is back to
Speaker 1: normal in London. I was in a football game, fifty
Speaker 1: five thousand people, no mask in site. Really what was
Speaker 1: the game? As? No talkingham Okay, we're never talking about that.
Speaker 1: So it's it's lovely to have you here. Do you
Speaker 1: like films? No, I'm not, like, I'm not like a
Speaker 1: film person. Then you've come to the right podcast because
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean I watched films, but I don't
Speaker 1: have I don't necessarily have an academic understanding of them.
Speaker 1: That's okay, Like I don't know. I just go that's
Speaker 1: a good film, that was a bad film, or I
Speaker 1: enjoyed that. I didn't enjoy that. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: have like I wouldn't be able to write the thesis
Speaker 1: about the movie. Okay, Well, you were sent some homework
Speaker 1: and one of the things on home was to send
Speaker 1: me three thesis and I haven't received any of them.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's gonna be a problem. I'm
Speaker 1: any best with ye. I do I enter actus movies.
Speaker 1: I'm just not a movie buff, is what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's Okay, that's very good. Yeah, tell me about your
Speaker 1: late night show that you had in South Africa. How
Speaker 1: long was that one? It was? It was we were
Speaker 1: on for like six years. Fuck like the Daily Show
Speaker 1: or something like that, but yeah, it was, it was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was like that, but we did so
Speaker 1: African politics and we weren't on. I mean, we didn't
Speaker 1: get canned or anything. I quit. I just like, I'm
Speaker 1: died of doing this and I wanted I couldn't travel
Speaker 1: as much as I would and we had gotten too
Speaker 1: Emmy nominations. It was great, man. We were we were
Speaker 1: we were cool. We were like in a great groove
Speaker 1: in a zone, and I just made the decision to
Speaker 1: get out of there. Six years a long time. How
Speaker 1: many how many it was every night of the week
Speaker 1: now once a week, once a week. Okay, how many
Speaker 1: a season would you? Like? Fourteen weeks? We did about
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty episodes. I think, wow, shit, Yeah
Speaker 1: that's a lot. Yeah, yeah, it was a lot. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you love that kind of stuff, it's great, But
Speaker 1: if you just want to get on stage and perform,
Speaker 1: it takes up a lot of your time. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: to do that kind of thing. Do you ever miss it?
Speaker 1: Or are you glad it's so done? I'm so glad
Speaker 1: it's done. Yeah, I'm glad it's done. I really not
Speaker 1: in a bad way. It's like it's like doing. It's
Speaker 1: like I like the fact that I can exit stuff.
Speaker 1: You know. That's why I don't think kids for me,
Speaker 1: because you can't exit kids. Yeah, it's a tricky one
Speaker 1: that there's not there's not many ways of getting out
Speaker 1: of kids. I suppose you could give them up for
Speaker 1: adoption at any at any point, I suppose that's the
Speaker 1: any card. Yeah, yeah, so so that Yeah, so what
Speaker 1: I'm That's what I'm saying. It's like, it's quite um,
Speaker 1: you gave your shot up for adoption. That would be
Speaker 1: that would be a very bizarre thing to explain to
Speaker 1: other humans. One other thing I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 1: I didn't know this and then this was on your
Speaker 1: Wikipedia pace. Maybe it is not true. But your brother
Speaker 1: also does stand up? Is that correct? Yeah? How is
Speaker 1: that between you two? Is it you were to do
Speaker 1: you gig together? Are you competitive with each other? Is
Speaker 1: there any Is it interesting? We have two different styles? Yeah,
Speaker 1: my brother is more of a director. My brother does
Speaker 1: a lot of things. He directs commercials, he's like um
Speaker 1: in the advertising world. He writes for shows, he does
Speaker 1: way more than Okay, he's very multi So, I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't really even compete about stuff. We don't compete
Speaker 1: at all. Have you ever done shows together and it's
Speaker 1: not You're never like I got more laughs than you tonight? No? Good, No,
Speaker 1: none at all. We don't. We don't. No, no, it
Speaker 1: sounds like you've got a very healthy relationship. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we do. We really do it. We're cool. Me and
Speaker 1: him are Me and him are in a very good place.
Speaker 1: That's very nice to hear, Louisa. I've forgotten to tell
Speaker 1: you something, and I probably should have told you, maybe
Speaker 1: even before we met. I could have texted you or
Speaker 1: I feel like an idiot. But we're recording now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll just say it and then we'll deal with it.
Speaker 1: I guess. But I'm sorry. But you Oh, here we go.
Speaker 1: You've died. You're dead? Okay, Yeah, I'm sorry. How did
Speaker 1: you die? I I was in the subway. Someone just
Speaker 1: pushed me, pushed you into the path of an oncoming train. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on the London Undergrad Yeah? Was it a fan? Who
Speaker 1: was this? It? Was just a drunk human really not
Speaker 1: target It wasn't targeted random, it was extremely random. Wow. No,
Speaker 1: I mean literally, no one's died that way on this show.
Speaker 1: That's quite It's quite a it was seemingly gruesome. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was not as painful as people would anticipate like
Speaker 1: it was for you. It was pretty instant. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was pretty instant. Hit the hit the ground and then
Speaker 1: got run over or the train hit you as you
Speaker 1: were falling. It was pretty simultaneous. It was just right.
Speaker 1: It was like falling before I even hit the crowd. Right.
Speaker 1: Do you worry about death? No, not entirely. I think
Speaker 1: about it. I think about like what would people say
Speaker 1: in my obituary? Like what would people say at my funeral?
Speaker 1: What would they say like? What would they like, whether
Speaker 1: they lying or being truthful? What would they or what
Speaker 1: would they think of me? What would they like? How
Speaker 1: would they go? How would they remember me as a
Speaker 1: human being? Can you take a guess and do do
Speaker 1: your eulogy for me? Now? No, I don't do it
Speaker 1: like that. I think about it, like, you know, I'm interested.
Speaker 1: The only thing I it's like I wish I could
Speaker 1: hear how other humans consumed me right, like, I don't
Speaker 1: imagine it. I wonder about, oh man, how how, which
Speaker 1: is essentially just probably asking myself, how am I living
Speaker 1: my life? More than more than sort of thinking about
Speaker 1: like how what the speech would be? I'd be like,
Speaker 1: oh man, would they would people think that I'm living
Speaker 1: a full life? Would they think I'm lazy? Would they
Speaker 1: think I'm inconsiderate? You know that kind of stuff. I
Speaker 1: would I don't. I don't. I haven't formulated into a
Speaker 1: speech in my head. That's what if we if we're
Speaker 1: taking stock of it today, what do you think they
Speaker 1: think in terms of are you living your fullest life?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, what do you think? It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what I think is what I'm saying. I'm
Speaker 1: saying that, Remember you don't get when when when someone
Speaker 1: is talking on your behalf and you're dead. The point
Speaker 1: is that you can't, you can't represent yourself. So it
Speaker 1: doesn't some people think they were helping out, and the
Speaker 1: people are like that person was a deck or whatever
Speaker 1: whatever the situation is, and so like, what's what's extremely
Speaker 1: interesting to me is that whatever effort and whatever you're
Speaker 1: trying to do might not yield the final result that
Speaker 1: you actually want, and sometimes you gotta be at peace
Speaker 1: with that. So for me, I'm not. I'm I'm less
Speaker 1: obsessed with whether I'm living life full or not because
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what direction I'm going. And at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, is how the world's received because
Speaker 1: all the stuff I'm doing for the world in the
Speaker 1: world around other people and how are they viewing that?
Speaker 1: What do you do you believe in enoughter life? What
Speaker 1: do you think happens when you die? I don't even
Speaker 1: think that's important. I find that's not so important. I
Speaker 1: think if it is, it is. There's no real evidence there,
Speaker 1: there is tangible evidence, and by definition, the term belief
Speaker 1: means that something that can't be proven, but you hang
Speaker 1: on to a hope that it does exist. So as Africans,
Speaker 1: well specifically Southern Africans, we believe, No, we don't believe.
Speaker 1: We believe. We do believe in an afterlife, and we
Speaker 1: have rituals and prayers and things that insinuate as an afterlife,
Speaker 1: but that you know, there's no real scientific evidence that
Speaker 1: could be used in a modern context that proves that
Speaker 1: do I believe it? Yes? And do I adhere to
Speaker 1: that yes, but has that got to do with my
Speaker 1: belief or just a sense of identity. It could be
Speaker 1: just a sense of identity. So those are the things
Speaker 1: I tend to like grapple with. Can you tell me
Speaker 1: what the images of the afterlife of the afterlife? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I mean, I've never thought
Speaker 1: of it. Never thought of the afterlife. I've never thought
Speaker 1: I really haven't. I mean, never thought of it. Absolutely
Speaker 1: never thought of it. Can you think of it? Now?
Speaker 1: I'm not a spontaneous human in that sense, I think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know what's the afterlife look like?
Speaker 1: M Am, I ruining your podcast? Am? I Like, I
Speaker 1: mean for me to say, you see what I'm Yeah,
Speaker 1: so because I'm like, I don't know if what does
Speaker 1: the afterlife look like? Oh? My god, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, yeah, I think I'm just
Speaker 1: blocking my brain from thinking about it. I don't know. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I've got I've got. I can tell you. The thing is,
Speaker 1: we can shortcut this and I can tell you because
Speaker 1: there is a heaven and what it looks like is
Speaker 1: what's your favorite thing? I was probably watching a football game.
Speaker 1: Rights it's a football stadium. It's a fuck. It's fucking Wembley.
Speaker 1: It's it's this beautiful football stadium. And who your friends
Speaker 1: are there and all the people that love you and
Speaker 1: all your favorite football is they're all there. Everyone's hanging out.
Speaker 1: It's very chilled, but it's cool. There's football if you want.
Speaker 1: And also everyone they're they're very excited to see you,
Speaker 1: but they want to talk to you about your life
Speaker 1: through films. Much they love football, they also love film
Speaker 1: and they've heard what a massive film buff you are,
Speaker 1: and they've read all your thesis that you write before
Speaker 1: you die on film and they want to get into
Speaker 1: it with you. And the first thing they ask is
Speaker 1: what is the first film you remember seeing. The crazy
Speaker 1: thing about the way I've consumed film is that I
Speaker 1: really only really started speaking English properly from probably the
Speaker 1: age of nine ten. Okay, so only the movies that
Speaker 1: we really enjoyed, and my first sort of bunch of
Speaker 1: movies we watched were kung fu movies. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we only when I was young, we only just watched
Speaker 1: Kongfu movies. It was a Saturday. You pay a certain
Speaker 1: amount of money and then you watch kung fu movies
Speaker 1: and it was, you know at the cinema, this one
Speaker 1: at the cinema, like so it would be like a
Speaker 1: hole and then they would have a project out will
Speaker 1: project these films and then you know, every every Saturday
Speaker 1: would be cool. And so that's my first memory of
Speaker 1: like film and just going out and watching something. And
Speaker 1: then when when I was like slightly older, I enjoyed
Speaker 1: going to the cinema. I remember like me and my
Speaker 1: friends going to watch James Bond. I think it was
Speaker 1: Golden I Golden Yeah, that was in that came out
Speaker 1: of ninety six or something ninety six seven or even
Speaker 1: even earlier like ninety five. Yeah, yeah, I remember us
Speaker 1: being excited to see that and going to Golden Acre
Speaker 1: Cinema and it was amazing. Nice. Did you want to
Speaker 1: do Kung Foo? Did you come out of these Kung
Speaker 1: fry films? Oh? Yeah you. As soon as I got
Speaker 1: out of there, we would just imitate those things and
Speaker 1: make a sound effect. And it was the thing about
Speaker 1: the thing about films is that if they in English
Speaker 1: and you don't speak English, it doesn't make sense. And
Speaker 1: so with kung fu movies, it was great because there
Speaker 1: was no land. It was even if you were like
Speaker 1: an English speaker, the most the most exciting thing about
Speaker 1: the kung fu movies the actual fighting. Yes, so imagine
Speaker 1: now you don't have any idea what they're saying, and
Speaker 1: then all you're excited about is the fighting. And then
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is amazing, and they just keep
Speaker 1: fighting all the time. It's amazing. It was just for me,
Speaker 1: it was just the most amazing thing. That's cool. Do
Speaker 1: you have a favorite kung fu movie? I remember watching
Speaker 1: Enter the Dragon. Enter the Dragon was a great film.
Speaker 1: But Enter the Dragon was it was clean, it was
Speaker 1: chris It was like it was like a Hollywood production
Speaker 1: but too much. You must remember, like the movies that
Speaker 1: I was accustomed to. It was just the forest of
Speaker 1: Hong Kong and people are just beating the crap out
Speaker 1: of each whatever the hell it did, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And so it was great. So that was
Speaker 1: and so when I when I saw Enter the Dragon,
Speaker 1: I could tangibly see the shine. Yeah, this is this
Speaker 1: is a much shinier product. They're scene. I thought that
Speaker 1: was amazing. Yeah, so I would say Enter the Dragon
Speaker 1: because the other ones I didn't it had a story.
Speaker 1: The other ones who kind of like the same It's
Speaker 1: like it's like your average Hollywood drum com, your average
Speaker 1: Bollywood movie, your average all these stories are kind of
Speaker 1: like the same. And so it's the same with the
Speaker 1: Kong from the same as the Revenge. It. Then you're like, Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: I get it. But Enter the Dragon just had a
Speaker 1: little thing to it, had had a little polish to
Speaker 1: it that I really like. It's the money behind Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What's the film that scared you the most? Do you
Speaker 1: like being scared? Do you get scared? Yeah? This scared
Speaker 1: me the most. Um oh, what was the one with
Speaker 1: the clown back in the day? Man, it's it's I
Speaker 1: remember staying up late on a Saturday to watch it
Speaker 1: and it freaked me the hell out. Yeah, um yeah
Speaker 1: it was. It was and and uh, Chuck, what's the Chuck? Chuck? Chuck?
Speaker 1: Child Play? Those two movies I remember as a child
Speaker 1: being extremely scary and being like extremely scared to like
Speaker 1: watch Yeah, yeah, the originally It's fucking scary and Child's Play.
Speaker 1: I mean they got similar faces, amn't I Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I think I did watch the original it that's
Speaker 1: the one that freaked me out. Yeah. Yeah. Do you
Speaker 1: do you like watching horror? Films now, No, I think
Speaker 1: they're horrible. I don't like horror. It's it's it's I
Speaker 1: don't know. I want to go see one recently. I
Speaker 1: don't forgot what it's called, but it's it's called A
Speaker 1: Silent Place. It's like when they make a noise. Oh,
Speaker 1: a quiet place, Yeah, a quiet place or something. I
Speaker 1: watched the second movie and and I was so disappointed,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was not invested in any
Speaker 1: of the people's survival. Oh wow, you were like, make
Speaker 1: some noise. Yeah. I was just like, you know what
Speaker 1: if these people die, I don't care if they live,
Speaker 1: I don't care. Do you are you a crier? What's
Speaker 1: the film that made you cry the most? Um was
Speaker 1: this John Singleton movie called Higher Learning. Yeah, I love
Speaker 1: that film. It's when they shot Tira Banks and there's
Speaker 1: this character played by Oh why do I keep getting
Speaker 1: this dude's name anyway, he shoots her and then she's
Speaker 1: like then and I was like, I think I was
Speaker 1: like she was like the hardest thing. At the time.
Speaker 1: I thought she was the hardest human and I was
Speaker 1: his child. And then and then this guy just shoots her,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, oh my god, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was the first time I kind of shed shed a
Speaker 1: tear for something that happened on the screen. I think
Speaker 1: in a movie that's a great film. We don't talk
Speaker 1: about it anymore that come up, Yeah, good film. What's
Speaker 1: the last film that made you cry? I'm not a
Speaker 1: I'm not a big crier. No, I'm definitely not gonna
Speaker 1: cry at the cinema. It has to be like, it's
Speaker 1: just one of those. It's just I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't think I will. You gotta be on your not necessarily,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just suck it up and keep moving.
Speaker 1: That's I know it's unhealthy, but that's my vibe. I'm like, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: let's keep going. I get that. I get that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I go to the cinema too, cry, but I have
Speaker 1: to go on my own. There has to be no
Speaker 1: one else in the cinemas to have emptied the cinema, right, right, right, right,
Speaker 1: I get it. What's the film that people don't like?
Speaker 1: It is not critically acclaimed, but you love it unconditionally
Speaker 1: and everyone else is dumb? Guy reaches first film, Lockstock
Speaker 1: and Two Smoking Barrels. Yeah, okay, I mean I think
Speaker 1: you can have it. People like it, though, but you
Speaker 1: can have it. It's because I don't know. So when
Speaker 1: you say critically acclaimed, because I'm not in the film world,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's it's reputable or not. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like it's like, oh, I like that film. I
Speaker 1: like that film, So I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's critically acclaimed or not. You know, thank god
Speaker 1: that was that was Swordfish Rather Swordfish is a great
Speaker 1: I love Swordfish, so the only problem with sword Fish.
Speaker 1: Swordfish opens with a really cool speech about how movies
Speaker 1: action movies work and how this film is like and
Speaker 1: it sort of deconstructs them, and then in the end
Speaker 1: it does exactly. It's just and exactly an action film.
Speaker 1: And you you told me you were going to not
Speaker 1: do this, and then you yeah, yeah, but it is
Speaker 1: called that film Mary and Malcolm Malcolm and Mary. Yes,
Speaker 1: that is a good answer. Yeah, that that's the most
Speaker 1: recent film where I was like, every time I mentioned
Speaker 1: it to people that were like, I think was that was?
Speaker 1: That was a great I thought it was a fantastic film. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's maybe it's because I love dialogue a lot,
Speaker 1: me too. I love film where it's a couple just
Speaker 1: agree for two hours. I'm a late Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: love I love dialogue. Yeah. Do you write? Do you
Speaker 1: write scripts? Fiction? I should? Yeah, I should. I just
Speaker 1: just write. I just commit my ideas to stand up
Speaker 1: more than anything. And I've been told that kind of
Speaker 1: kind of take some of my ideas and put them
Speaker 1: in other in other spheres. And I got let take
Speaker 1: this to the stage. What is the film that you
Speaker 1: used to love? You loved it, but then you've watched
Speaker 1: it recently and you've gone out, No, I don't like
Speaker 1: this anymore. The mask really well, I love the mask.
Speaker 1: What's the mass done? What's wrong with the Mask? Now?
Speaker 1: When I watched it again, I was like, how was
Speaker 1: I not aware as a kid. There's there's so much
Speaker 1: sexual innuendo involved. It's it's highly sexual, and I'm like, god, damn,
Speaker 1: this is crazy. How did I watch this as a child? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think it was. It came out ninety
Speaker 1: I think that's Brandon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it could be.
Speaker 1: I mean I was, I was twelve. It was very
Speaker 1: I remember listen, I was a child and it was
Speaker 1: very sexy. I remember it being very Yeah. I just yeah, yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I thought like, okay, yeah, I didn't enjoy it
Speaker 1: as much as I thought I would again, and but
Speaker 1: I did enjoy it wasn't like it wasn't horrendous, but
Speaker 1: it was like, I don't remember this thing like this.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to watch that tonight. Uh. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean you've totally sold it as well. What's the what's
Speaker 1: the film that means the most to you? Not necessarily
Speaker 1: the film itself is any good, but because the experience
Speaker 1: you had around seeing the film would always make it
Speaker 1: special to you. There's a film on Netflix is a
Speaker 1: Spanish film called The Platform. Fucking love that film. I
Speaker 1: think that film is fucking brilliant. Go on, yeah, I
Speaker 1: really loved it. Man. I thought like it was absurd
Speaker 1: in setting, but at the end of it you kind
Speaker 1: of knew the point of it and the point was
Speaker 1: clear and it opens up like a tunnel too many debates. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and understanding of the world. I thought that was a
Speaker 1: great film. Yeah, and it's and it's absurd because it
Speaker 1: doesn't it's a lot of dialogue, it's grimy, but at
Speaker 1: the end of it, you're like, oh, that's what it is,
Speaker 1: that's what Oh, well, done, I'm out of your back. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: such a clever bit of writing that film. Like every
Speaker 1: five minutes there's an idea or a new question. It's
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, it's really clever. So I yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 1: That's that's what I go that. That film really had
Speaker 1: me open. And when did you watch that? Did you
Speaker 1: watch that during the pandemic? During like lockdown? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: were you were laying in lockdown? Yeah? I was alone
Speaker 1: the whole time. Yeah, oh my god, did you guy
Speaker 1: may It was great? Yeah? No, no, no, it was cool.
Speaker 1: I was cool. I mean I'd go out to jog
Speaker 1: and do all kinds of but I would come home
Speaker 1: and watch stuff. It was great, man, it was really great.
Speaker 1: That's good. What's the film you must relate to? Noisy
Speaker 1: most relate man, it's actually probably one of my favorite films,
Speaker 1: probably good Fellas. I mean good Fellas is one of
Speaker 1: the greatest films of all time. Sure, what about good
Speaker 1: Fellas do you relate to? I think the idea that,
Speaker 1: like the group of guys wouldn't necessarily abide by the law,
Speaker 1: and they have a world they kind of existing, and
Speaker 1: they have specific rules to a dare by. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and it's it's it's like when I
Speaker 1: look at people with cancel culture, yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: I'd go, oh, man, you know, like some of the
Speaker 1: people where I grew up, a person would come like
Speaker 1: person you've never met, you hear them, they come back
Speaker 1: like where was this person? All? This person is in jail,
Speaker 1: they did this or whatever the case is. But they
Speaker 1: part of the community, you know, And the community was
Speaker 1: not like obviously they don't want them to fucking kill
Speaker 1: another human or do anything bad, but they're like, this
Speaker 1: person is equally a part of this society that we're
Speaker 1: in and we can't really look at them like, oh,
Speaker 1: they this other thing, you know. And so I appreciated
Speaker 1: that from that film. And it's like, oh no, these
Speaker 1: are complex human beings and they've made a decision in
Speaker 1: their lives that kind of impacts all parts of their lives.
Speaker 1: But it was great to just see them as human
Speaker 1: as well and also just be like, to the average eye,
Speaker 1: the way they live their lives is very chaotic. But
Speaker 1: there's a hierarchy, right, Yeah, there's a lot of rules. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So there's a like, for instance, when um, when your
Speaker 1: passion's character gets killed and then the Naro's narrating, he said,
Speaker 1: there's nothing we could do. It killed a made man.
Speaker 1: We just had to sit there and take it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, And that's just rules, you know,
Speaker 1: he killed the made man. Those are the rules, you know.
Speaker 1: And and for me, it's like, sure, they don't live
Speaker 1: in this world that most of us in society, but
Speaker 1: they've created their own system and constitution that they govern
Speaker 1: themselves by. And if you really being scrutinized them, they
Speaker 1: are as violent as the legitimate government. I love that answer.
Speaker 1: I love the answer a lot. Oh yeah, well yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. Listen. That's your best answer so far. What's
Speaker 1: there And how does that relate to cancel culture? Do
Speaker 1: you mean in terms of like people being sort of shunned,
Speaker 1: but that still we're all still part of the human
Speaker 1: rights Yeah, they now they don't consider that this person
Speaker 1: exists in the society. Yeah, this kind of person exists
Speaker 1: in the society. So they don't go, this person is
Speaker 1: part of us. We have to live and deal with them.
Speaker 1: They go, let's cancel them so that they don't exist,
Speaker 1: we don't have to see them. Yeah, you see what
Speaker 1: I mean. And I'm like, that's a very bizarre way
Speaker 1: of sort of dealing with this thing. Fascinating, Luisa, what's
Speaker 1: the sexiest film you've ever seen other than The Mask?
Speaker 1: Probably Swordfish? I think Swordfish is cool. Yeah, because of
Speaker 1: the Helly Berry scene. Yes, and yeah, I thought like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Swordfish is an unusual thing in terms of like the
Speaker 1: way the world is was that it was like part
Speaker 1: of the selling, part of the selling of the film,
Speaker 1: like part of the kind of advertising of it was
Speaker 1: something like we've paid Halle Berry an extra million to
Speaker 1: share you her boots and that was kind of like
Speaker 1: in the in the promotion material. Yeah, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like this is the this is it. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that would happen anymore. It's it's kind of odd.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it probably would. Yeah maybe, yeah, yeah it would.
Speaker 1: I think it's there's room for it. It's just it's
Speaker 1: been done. Yeah, you'd be using the same trick twice.
Speaker 1: There's a subcategory to this question troubling bonus worrying. Why
Speaker 1: don't a film you found arousing that you weren't sure
Speaker 1: you should. No, I don't genuinely get aroused at the cinema,
Speaker 1: But I don't genuinely get aroused. I think that I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm probably the most sexually contained human. Please please elaborate,
Speaker 1: like I don't. I'm predictable in that sense, like I
Speaker 1: hetero sexual human would if you tickle up things that
Speaker 1: they would tell them that would be it. And so
Speaker 1: that's why I always like, I'm highly lucky in the
Speaker 1: sense that I don't have to explain myself a lot
Speaker 1: in terms of what I'm attracted to, whereas a lot
Speaker 1: of people have to, Oh no, I'm into toes. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I'm into I'm into like the genetic boring stuff. So
Speaker 1: the question that you pose kind of like taps into
Speaker 1: a spectrum of sexuality that exists somewhere right yea, And
Speaker 1: for me to a certain extent, I kind of I'm
Speaker 1: kind of boringly fit into the nothing nothing is cool
Speaker 1: you by surprise, Yeah, boobs bress. You know, I'm just
Speaker 1: like and if I get a boner in the middle,
Speaker 1: I'm not it's not because of the thing that's in
Speaker 1: front of me. It's something that's I'm thinking about, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's not necessarily what's in front
Speaker 1: of me, do you know what I mean? So for me,
Speaker 1: it's so there could be something of you. You get
Speaker 1: a bony but because you're still thinking about halle Berry boom,
Speaker 1: that's that's it. That's yes, I'm I would really, I'm
Speaker 1: a hetro boring, normal to normal, whatever the pronoun is,
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. Tell me this objectively,
Speaker 1: what is the greatest film of all time? Might not
Speaker 1: be your favorite, but objectively it's the best film. That's
Speaker 1: a highly academic question in the sense that and I
Speaker 1: in the beginning of it, I did make a disclaimer,
Speaker 1: yes that I'm not I would have to explain it
Speaker 1: and DISLI. Yeah, I would have practically said, you don't
Speaker 1: watch films. Yeah, but it turns out I do watch it,
Speaker 1: but I don't have the academic increment to sort of
Speaker 1: articulate the points. So critic I'm gonna probably my favorite
Speaker 1: film is probably Good Fathers. And then the film which
Speaker 1: is objectively one of the greatest. Oh, this is so predictable.
Speaker 1: It's the Matrix. Yeah, that's not predictable. I thought you
Speaker 1: can say the Godfather. Everyone always says the Godfather, so
Speaker 1: that was predictable. So great answer. Yeah, I would say
Speaker 1: the Matrix. It's like, really, I can see that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it has it has all the things to make a
Speaker 1: movie like a good one. Yeah, and it pulls everything off.
Speaker 1: And it pulls everything off, great story, great tactical. Yeah
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it does all the objectively, that's a good film,
Speaker 1: redefined filmmaking. Yeah. Yeah, that's a really good answer. I
Speaker 1: can I can go with that. You can live with that.
Speaker 1: As I was writing that down, I was like, ah
Speaker 1: am I predictable not to everyone always says the Godfather
Speaker 1: Matrix is a much more interesting answer because there's so
Speaker 1: much going on in the Matrix and it did change,
Speaker 1: you know, the filmmaking techniques used, and the fact that
Speaker 1: it's it deals with religion and philosophy and all sorts
Speaker 1: of fucking great great answer. Congratulations, that's your second best answer.
Speaker 1: That was a question I was most frightened about. Stress. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, you've done good. Yeah, yeah, you could relax. Now,
Speaker 1: what's the film that you could or have watched the
Speaker 1: most over and over again? Good Fellas? Yes, me say,
Speaker 1: I watched it maybe twice a month. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: talked about it a lot on this podcast, But you
Speaker 1: could you could watch it every day. I find different
Speaker 1: things to like about the film every time. One of
Speaker 1: my favorite things. One of my favorites one of when
Speaker 1: he's narrating Hendry Hills talking Hendry and he's like he's
Speaker 1: introducing all everyone, and then he says, oh, that's poly
Speaker 1: and Polly comes out. Everyone's making a racket outside, and
Speaker 1: it's a shot of Polly with his face kind of frowning,
Speaker 1: and then he's moving like like an as like as poorly.
Speaker 1: He moves slow. It only moves slow because you didn't
Speaker 1: have to move for Nope. But I was like, what
Speaker 1: And that's a you know, that's sort of kind of
Speaker 1: like a good intro, what a good economy of words? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it tells you everything you need today. But he's not
Speaker 1: saying he's the boss. You find out later that he's
Speaker 1: the main guy something that. But he's like, that's PAULI.
Speaker 1: He moves slow. He moved slow because he didn't have
Speaker 1: to move for anybody. I was like, oh, really, really
Speaker 1: good accent as well, Oh thank you. I watched a
Speaker 1: lot of thanks for Yeah, that's fucking great. Okay, good answer.
Speaker 1: We don't like to be negative, so we do it
Speaker 1: fairly's quick. What's the worst film you ever saw? That
Speaker 1: was the only question I was going to refuse to answer.
Speaker 1: I respect that because I realized I've kind of entered
Speaker 1: the world where I could audition for these people. And
Speaker 1: I know I'm I won't tell you who, but a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago I auditioned for an Oscar winning director.
Speaker 1: M hmm. That's exciting. It's extremely exciting. So when I
Speaker 1: but that, did that same person make your worst film? No? No,
Speaker 1: no no. But I'm saying I'm in that world if
Speaker 1: a person, because what if they want you for a part,
Speaker 1: they'll look at the stuff that you said. Now you've
Speaker 1: said that the film is the worst film. Now you've
Speaker 1: just closed down, You've unnecessarily shut your way out of
Speaker 1: How did the audition go? Have you got the part?
Speaker 1: Tell us everything I didn't get. I didn't get the part.
Speaker 1: I can't really talk about it because the movie is
Speaker 1: not being made. It's still being made. I didn't get
Speaker 1: the part, but the movie is made. I can't really
Speaker 1: I can't tell you what I can't. I know he's
Speaker 1: gonna ask her, that's best pictures your worst film? What?
Speaker 1: I respect it? I respect it. I can't force you
Speaker 1: to do that. What's the film that made you laugh
Speaker 1: the most? Snatch yeah, yeah, between Snatch and The Big Lebowski. Nice.
Speaker 1: The Big Lebowski was so subtle and so it wasn't
Speaker 1: it wasn't it was it wasn't looking for the laughs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of but it's written in such a
Speaker 1: funny way that this cat they've they've when he pulls
Speaker 1: out a gun in the in the in the bowling
Speaker 1: alley and everyone was like, what the fuck? You didn't
Speaker 1: even I wouldn't didn't even know you had a gun.
Speaker 1: He's like, bro, He's just like what the fuck. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's such a funny scene when he just
Speaker 1: pulls out the gun and I was like, my brother,
Speaker 1: we had no idea even had a gun. Do you
Speaker 1: think that guy is shocked? We're shocked as well. And
Speaker 1: you're like, yo, man, it's just a rug, take it easy,
Speaker 1: you know. And then Snatch for me was it's not
Speaker 1: it's not obviously funny. It's like, I don't know, if
Speaker 1: you remember the scene where they're looking for Freddy four fingers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then he's walking into the to the pawn shop
Speaker 1: with with the briefcase, and then the four guys are
Speaker 1: outside and they went for him, and then the one guest.
Speaker 1: As he walks out the van, he goes, did you
Speaker 1: have four fingers? And then the one says, oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: couldn't get me binocky lars at one time either, And
Speaker 1: it was like, this is this is such a it's
Speaker 1: such a bizarre you know, such a bizarre thing that's happening.
Speaker 1: You know, they're on this big mission, but they're bumbling
Speaker 1: all the way. And as they're bumbling, it's you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, it's so it's funny, even like just
Speaker 1: the brick top he's he's got them tied up. And
Speaker 1: then he does this monologue which is one of my
Speaker 1: favorite things in the world, and snatch. Yeah. He goes,
Speaker 1: you know what, the meaning of nemesis a righteous retribution
Speaker 1: of pain personified by an appropriate manifested by an appropriate agent,
Speaker 1: personified in this particular case by an orange count me
Speaker 1: and I go, yeah, but who who the fuck says that?
Speaker 1: You know? It's such who does a poem? You know?
Speaker 1: And it's just funny. It was. I love that The
Speaker 1: Big Lebowski Is is scripted as is. I liked reading
Speaker 1: that the Jeff Bridges, like, yeah, all the arms, all
Speaker 1: the ars were literally scripted, like there's no improvising going
Speaker 1: on in big Lebowski's they're all yeah, they're all saying
Speaker 1: exactly what was written. I find that interesting. Oh wow yeah, um,
Speaker 1: Luisa Guyler, you have been brilliant despite thinking you couldn't
Speaker 1: do this, you've done very very well. Now, however, when
Speaker 1: when you were on the London Underground and you were
Speaker 1: waiting for a train and a drunk guy totally random
Speaker 1: didn't know you. I wasn't wasn't targeted you, but he
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I'll push someone in front of
Speaker 1: the train, pushed you. As you hit the ground, the
Speaker 1: train hit you. It was very gruesome. It was instant.
Speaker 1: But I'm walking around the tube. I've got a coffin
Speaker 1: with me, you know what. I'm like, I'm looking for you.
Speaker 1: I'm like, where they So I was going to go
Speaker 1: see him at top secret but he wasn't there. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I get down to the tube platform, it's a fucking mess.
Speaker 1: You are all over the place. You're on the ceilings,
Speaker 1: you're on the walls. I'm having to pop down, keep
Speaker 1: to having to jump out every time a train goes past.
Speaker 1: Pop down. I'm collecting all the bits of you I
Speaker 1: can There's more of you than I was expecting. It's
Speaker 1: a fucking mess. I've stuff you in the coffin. You're
Speaker 1: all in there, but it's roummed. There's no room in
Speaker 1: this coffin. There's there's literally just enough for me to
Speaker 1: slip a DVD into the side of the coffin for
Speaker 1: you to take to the other side. And on the
Speaker 1: other side. It's movie night every night, and one night
Speaker 1: it's your movie night. What film are you taking to
Speaker 1: show everyone in heaven when it is your movie night?
Speaker 1: Luisa go La go oh my god? Probably Good Fellows.
Speaker 1: Probably The Matrix. Lovely, you can take the Matrix to
Speaker 1: blow people's minds. It holds up. Yeah. I think it's
Speaker 1: the only movie that doesn't have a timeline to say
Speaker 1: you can have that ideas. The ideas are timeless. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and also just the idea of being in another world,
Speaker 1: another life, and another dimension could be a good way.
Speaker 1: It's yeah. The themes, the themes are relevant. That's cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you for doing this. Is there anything you'd like
Speaker 1: to tell people to look out for. You're in London
Speaker 1: at the moment doing gigs. Is there anything else we
Speaker 1: should know about? Oh, I'm on tour. I start on
Speaker 1: I start my tour on Thursday Coventry, so people must
Speaker 1: go to Losa dot com for tickets. I'm all I
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Speaker 1: Go to my instagram los l O Y I S
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Speaker 1: my Twitter, and yeah, Losa dot com and find out
Speaker 1: where I'm playing next. I'm on my if. My tour
Speaker 1: ends on the thirty first of October in Leicester Square, London.
Speaker 1: Hey yeah, that's very cool. Well, thank you for doing this,
Speaker 1: my man. I appreciate you and have a death. Take care.
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Speaker 1: I ain't even going to tell you because you're going
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