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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio, Karen, how did you get involved with the

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Speaker 1: Luigi Board? How did that start for you? You know,

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Speaker 1: it started so many years ago, back in nineteen seventy three.

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Speaker 1: It goes way back, as you know, George, It's just

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Speaker 1: you know, it was brought to me by some friends

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Speaker 1: down the street and they said, hey, this really works,

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Speaker 1: and we started using it, and we started speaking to

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Speaker 1: one of their deceased sisters who died shortly after birth,

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Speaker 1: and it just took off from there. George, and you know,

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Speaker 1: a young age are pretty impressionable that I just was like,

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Speaker 1: this thing really works. And so I ended up getting

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Speaker 1: one from Santa Claus that same year. And who knew?

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Speaker 1: Who knew that I would still be using the board

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Speaker 1: to this day. I mean, oh my god. Turning it

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Speaker 1: into an advocation for crying along, Well, it's definitely an advocation.

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Speaker 1: It's a passion of mine. And the reason why, George,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, it's not because it's about talking to decease.

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Speaker 1: It's not because it's about it's something supernatural, Dow. It's

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Speaker 1: about it's because it allows me to show me. It's

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Speaker 1: like my permission to reach into the unseen dimensions. It

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Speaker 1: allows me to feel like that's the way or my

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Speaker 1: excuse or a vessel to be able to tap into

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Speaker 1: other realms. And so for that reason, I think it's

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Speaker 1: phenomenal as a tool. It's only a tool. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: do the work. I do the work myself and in fact, George,

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Speaker 1: these days, the board is like secondary to what I'm

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Speaker 1: doing personally. I'm doing a lot of readings off the board,

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Speaker 1: getting insights and communicating with spirits and the guides without

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Speaker 1: the board too. And you and I've talked about this before,

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Speaker 1: but it's because I that was my segue. I'll say

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Speaker 1: that that way my opening my segue into doing this

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Speaker 1: work and being able to understand there's so much more

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Speaker 1: out there than meets the I and I want to

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Speaker 1: say one more thing to what we were talking about

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Speaker 1: earlier about what's going on in the world. This is

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Speaker 1: really an opportunity for all of us because we're pushed

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Speaker 1: to to go within, to separate from people were massay

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Speaker 1: home all these things. What it really asks you to

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Speaker 1: do is start looking to yourself or answers. And I

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Speaker 1: got to say one of the best things that's come

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Speaker 1: out of all of this. It's a horrible situation. But

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Speaker 1: if I can find that that little bit of like

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Speaker 1: spark or light within it, I would say it's asking

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Speaker 1: us to go within for answers, that nobody out there

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Speaker 1: is going to save us, nobody out there has all

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Speaker 1: the answers, and that we really truly can find that

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Speaker 1: within ourselves with truth. And that's what's happening. And the

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Speaker 1: board itself has helped me develop that to be able

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Speaker 1: to realize I'm not using a board, I'm using myself

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Speaker 1: to reach these dimensions and find answers and same kind

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Speaker 1: of thing, same correlation. Have you ever had a bad

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Speaker 1: experience with the board? No, I have in George, and

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Speaker 1: the reason why because of my intentions, my beliefs. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the board again is new troll. It is just a

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Speaker 1: piece of cardboard, wooden board. Some people make them out

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Speaker 1: of glass or metal. It has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: anything other than it becomes a palaceman, a theatrical piece

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Speaker 1: if you will, that the theater just show us that

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Speaker 1: we're doing something. The truth is it just becomes an excuse,

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Speaker 1: a way, a vessel, a means to reach and to

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Speaker 1: learn to tap into other levels of consciousness. That's all.

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Speaker 1: That's all it is. It's it's just a tool. So no,

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Speaker 1: nothing has ever negative happened to me for that reason,

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Speaker 1: because I really have approached it from the angle of

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Speaker 1: I just want to understand consciousness. I just want to

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Speaker 1: into that? And and for that reason, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: always only tap into that which I desire, which I intend.

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Speaker 1: So your beliefs and intentions mean a lot. People say, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's always your intentions. I say, yes, your intentions will

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Speaker 1: reach that what you want to reach, But it's your

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Speaker 1: belief Now do I believe in something negative coming through? See?

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Speaker 1: I don't george the problems. Some people do believe, and

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Speaker 1: so therefore they tap into some kind of energy and

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Speaker 1: often what I find it's the projection of their own

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Speaker 1: fears that marrors back. Does it drive you nuts that

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Speaker 1: when you and I chat about it, you know how

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Speaker 1: opposed I am to the Luiji board? Absolutely not, because

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Speaker 1: I just think about the beauty of humanity. We all

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Speaker 1: have different opinions and if we listen, if we could

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Speaker 1: that just allows us to you don't have our own

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Speaker 1: freedoms express who we are. And that's what I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate about you, George, because I know how you are,

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Speaker 1: I know what you tell me, and you know what

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Speaker 1: you accept me for who I am, And that's a

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Speaker 1: beauty of we're a good example of how the world

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Speaker 1: should really be. Right. Well, you remember my story, and

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Speaker 1: I'll tell it to some folks who might not have

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Speaker 1: remembered it or heard about my wigi board experience and

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Speaker 1: dabbled with it a little bit as a kid, but

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Speaker 1: not much. But when I was doing my local Nighthawks

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Speaker 1: show in Saint Louis in a studio that was pristine, Karen,

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Speaker 1: I mean, nothing of ever went wrong with it. Technically,

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Speaker 1: it was clean, everything worked, and I had a wigi

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Speaker 1: board in the studio and I was going to do

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Speaker 1: a segment on wigi boards. And this was long before

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Speaker 1: I met you, and all of a sudden, in a

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Speaker 1: studio that was always technically perfect, everything is going wrong.

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Speaker 1: You know. We would play our commercials on little cart machines,

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Speaker 1: almost like tape machines, where you'd push a button in

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Speaker 1: the little commercial would run on a piece of tape

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Speaker 1: that thing jammed up the board where I would hit

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Speaker 1: Everything went wrong in that studio. So during a commercial

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Speaker 1: that I was able to get on, I told my

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Speaker 1: producer Howard Morton. I said, Howard, get this board out

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Speaker 1: And he took it, and I don't know what he

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Speaker 1: and then by the way, after he took the board out,

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Speaker 1: everything went back on, the lights went on, the machines working.

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Speaker 1: It was miraculous. And after the show was done, I went, gosh,

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Speaker 1: do with it? He said, well, I gave it to

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Speaker 1: Darrell to keep. Darrell was our news guy, and he

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Speaker 1: I ran into him about two weeks later at a

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Speaker 1: restaurant and I said, Darrell, how are you doing. He said, George,

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Speaker 1: I got to be honest with you. From the moment

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Speaker 1: Howard gave me the Wuiji board. My life has gone

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Speaker 1: good for him, and he's out there doing something now

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Speaker 1: in Saint Louis here. But that was my Wuiji board story.

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Speaker 1: I've never come across evil with it or anything like that,

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Speaker 1: But it was the weirdest thing that's ever happened to me.

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Speaker 1: How do you explain that, you know, Georgie and I've

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Speaker 1: spoken about this before. The funniest thing about that story, well,

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Speaker 1: it's very interesting, number one. But the funniest thing about

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Speaker 1: is why do we attribute so much as our own

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Speaker 1: empowerment to a piece of wood. It was the only

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Speaker 1: You know, the studio was all screwed up, the board

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Speaker 1: gets taken out, the studio goes back up online. Poor

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Speaker 1: Darryl Darrel was fine. He gets the Uigi board, his

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Speaker 1: life falls apart, he gets rid of the Weigi board,

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Speaker 1: he comes back up again. I mean, it's the only

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Speaker 1: logical conclusion. Well, it's not logical. It's actually just trying

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Speaker 1: to associate something and projected upon this event, which is

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Speaker 1: what humans try to do. We try to make sense

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Speaker 1: of anything and connect the dots. I mean, let's look

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Speaker 1: Let's look at this illogical. Let's just look at it

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Speaker 1: from another standpoint. We get our power over to a

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Speaker 1: think about this. Darrel actually ended up in a better situation,

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Speaker 1: and maybe his life was supposed to change and shift,

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Speaker 1: and maybe he actually contributed to that shift. Had nothing

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Speaker 1: to the board, just the board was just like a peripheral,

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Speaker 1: circumstantial item, peripheral again, you know, anxilary to the whole situation.

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Speaker 1: We tend that people always just what George, who will do?

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Speaker 1: They go, Oh, my god, I drove my car day,

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Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying, This is just no logical connection. Really,

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Speaker 1: empower That's what I'm trying to tell you about the board.

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Speaker 1: The board does nothing. Oh is it possible? Then if

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Speaker 1: evil spirits, then that will that will happen. But if

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Speaker 1: the individual doesn't believe it, it'll never happen. Is that possible? Well,

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Speaker 1: this is what I want to say about that. When

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Speaker 1: So if you have a board in your possession and

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Speaker 1: But let's say you did, and all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: oh my god, it's that board. Well, what could it

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Speaker 1: not be that the influences of the universe are saying

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Speaker 1: in your life. And some of these things have to

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Speaker 1: fall apart before they be built up again. George, this

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Speaker 1: is what's going on in the world right now. Things

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Speaker 1: before we could rebuild it again. And that's what's happening.

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Speaker 1: Everything's like all in apart, right and we got to

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Speaker 1: rebuild it. Would you think Weigi boards involved with this? No,

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Speaker 1: I do. Has anything negative happened to any of them?

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Speaker 1: In your opinion? Le I hang out with and that

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Speaker 1: collect boards such as the Talking Boards Circle Society and

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Speaker 1: these people, George, I have like fifty five boards, that's nothing.

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Speaker 1: These people have hundreds. It's not a thousand boards that

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Speaker 1: talking eighteen ninety. Okay. These people have never had an

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Speaker 1: to look at ourselves as saying, maybe we contributed to this.

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Speaker 1: Maybe things were supposed to fall apart. Maybe the universe

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Speaker 1: had different plantss maybe got a different plants for us.

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