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Speaker 1: Comedy Saved Me. Welcome to Comedy Save Me. I am

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Speaker 1: Lynn Hoffman. You know the moment when you're about to

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Speaker 1: say something completely inappropriate, you know, maybe at a family dinner,

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Speaker 1: but then you remember you're the funny one, so suddenly

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Speaker 1: it's not inappropriate anymore, it's just material. Well, our guest

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Speaker 1: today has built an entire career on that exact instinct.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: She's a two time Emmy winner who's somehow made being

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Speaker 1: loud and perpetually annoyed.

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Speaker 2: Into an art form.

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Speaker 1: She has been banned for more Thanksgiving dinners than she's

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Speaker 1: been invited to, and she wouldn't have it any other way.

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Speaker 1: And she's also proven that sometimes the best therapy isn't

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Speaker 1: just a couch, it's on a stage with a microphone

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Speaker 1: and talking about everything your mother told you never to

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Speaker 1: discuss in public. But lucky for us, she never listened

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Speaker 1: to her mother. Well, she listened, she just chose to

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Speaker 1: do a tight five about it instead.

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Speaker 2: Today on Comedy Save Me.

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Speaker 1: Author of the best selling book Yes I Can Say that,

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Speaker 1: Judy Goal Judy.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Comedy Save Me. Thanks for having that. What

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Speaker 2: a great intro. Thank you so much. I love it. Well,

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Speaker 2: I love It's true. It is true.

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Speaker 1: You really have made this an art form and I've

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Speaker 1: been following you for my whole life.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so old. No you're not.

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Speaker 3: We'll be right back with more of the Comedy Save

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Speaker 3: Me podcast.

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Speaker 2: Comedy Saved Me, Judy, Welcome to Comedy Save Me. As

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Speaker 2: you were talking, I was thinking, I remember as a

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Speaker 2: little girl. You know, I couldn't come from a family

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Speaker 2: of secrets like most of course. Yeah, And I remember

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Speaker 2: in the living room or then, we weren't allowed to

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Speaker 2: is there plastic on the chairs too? No, we weren't

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Speaker 1: Like I totally I felt the same exact way. Example family.

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Speaker 1: I won't say who it is, but someone had a

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Speaker 2: What is that shit? It's crazy? And you know that

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Speaker 2: my sister's wedding. We're at my sister's wedding. I'm there

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Speaker 2: And my neighbors were invited to the wedding. And what

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Speaker 2: And right, well, but in that my mother's generation. She

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Speaker 2: They have some polka dance instructor or something. But we

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Speaker 2: But it was, you know, Reagan Bush Clinton, Clinton was

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Speaker 2: And it's part of it's like a stand up comedy

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it started in Boston at the Comedy

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Speaker 2: Mix all the the New York and Boston comics had

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Speaker 1: I mean everything you just said, especially about growing up,

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Speaker 1: I was bullied.

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Speaker 1: The main reason we were bullied is because we were Jewish.

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Speaker 2: there they were just they were very anti Semitic, yes,

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Speaker 2: remember saying to my kids, if anyone is bullied at school,

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Speaker 2: And my mother, right, my mother grew up in Manhattan

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Speaker 2: a group that gets together of all of you, and

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Speaker 2: you know, it's just I don't know, it's such a

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Speaker 1: Growing up well adjusted and people are rappling. You're not

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Speaker 1: labeled whatever it is right, you are who you are,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I would do. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: name of this podcast comedy say, I mean it. People

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I would die. I mean it's really

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Speaker 2: get bully and everything. But I was anxious all day long.

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00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,239
Speaker 2: And when the sun went down, I did feel a

432
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 2: bit of relief. But I had a perfect storm of

433
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: things that's happened to me. I had my mother had

434
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 2: had a bad fall, and I remember I had to

435
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 2: go get her and meet her at the hospital, and

436
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: then I was with her and this rehab center had

437
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 2: a room available, and I said, Mom, you're going to

438
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 2: go to the rehab center. So I'm gonna go to

439
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: your apartment and get some stuff so you have it

440
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: there and I'll the ambulance will take you and I'll

441
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: meet you there and she's like, well, how long do

442
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: you think I'll be there? And I knew she was

443
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: never going home again. I knew it, And it was

444
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: being that being I mean, I have siblings, but they

445
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: one lives in Arizona and one wasn't available that day,

446
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 2: but I mean we all chipped in. It wasn't like

447
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: you know, it ended up, but that experience knowing your

448
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: mother's never going to go home again. And I had

449
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 2: just done a pilot for a show that everyone thought

450
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: was getting picked up. It didn't get picked up. And

451
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: I also found out that the person who was managing

452
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: my money, I was like eighty thousand dollars in debt,

453
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 2: so I had no idea yet they were paying my

454
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 2: taxes on credit cards, like zero percent credit. So anyway,

455
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: perfect storm, like you said, perfect storm, And I just

456
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: had this and I and I swear the resilience from

457
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 2: doing stand up and being on the road and alone.

458
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 2: I mean, look, when I started, there's no phones, there's

459
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: no computers. You're isolated. You can't even call home because

460
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 2: the cost on the hotel phone would eat up your

461
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: whole You're a woman, You're by yourself. Sometimes in these

462
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: comedy condos. I mean just to get on stage for

463
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 2: a freak and a half hour a night, you know, yeah,

464
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 2: and you know everything is character building. So I think

465
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: that I finally got out of it. It's my biggest

466
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: fear that it will happen again, but I don't have

467
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: a likelihood that it'll happen again. And I have tools,

468
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 2: you know, the toolbox, as I said. So that was

469
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: one thing that where I think comedy saved me, knowing

470
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 2: that I wanted to get back on stage and hearing

471
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: laughter and stuff. The other thing is this past June,

472
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: I went on an LGBTQ mission to Israel for Pride,

473
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: and it was my second mission. My son lives there.

474
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: He moved there in August. He plays professional basketball there.

475
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: So I was just there in November and December. But

476
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: while we were there on this mission, Iran started bombing

477
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: Israel and we spent a lot of time in the

478
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: bomb shelters. We were stuck there. We couldn't get out.

479
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: There's shit ten of us in our group. The airspace

480
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: was was closed.

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Speaker 1: Goosebumps right now. While you're saying that, I can't even

482
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: imagine it was.

483
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: You know, I learned a lot about myself and the

484
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: Jewish people and the Israelis and how resilient they are.

485
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: But humor not only saved me, but it saved our group.

486
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: I think my making fun of you know, did you

487
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: start doing stand up in the shelter No, no, no, no,

488
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: But I was, you know, just just being you know,

489
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: making jokes, you know, making light of the situation. I mean,

490
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: sometimes there's you can wallow in sadness and fear, or

491
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,239
Speaker 2: you can make a joke. And as you know, in

492
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: the Holocaust, you know, they were. There's a whole book

493
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: called Humor in the Holocaust. There's a quote in there

494
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 2: of a woman who said, we joked about everything because

495
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: it was the only thing that made us feel human. Laughter.

496
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: And so I yeah, so that experience. And I just

497
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: was in Florida last week working and I saw one

498
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: of my what you McCall it shelter mates. We called

499
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: each other shelter husband and shelter wife. Because I would

500
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: get a mat from the gym. I stole a map

501
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: from the gyms because we were in the parking garage

502
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: underneath the hotel so we could sit on and he

503
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: brought a pillow and it's sort of like and every

504
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: time we went down. We knew what to do, and

505
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: he said that sort of saved him. I think humor

506
00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: has really saved me. But those two experiences is those

507
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: are the most poignant in my life.

508
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: That's pretty incredible, you know, just hearing you say that

509
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: story about joking in the in the bomb shelter and

510
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: joking in the Holocaust. And I think of my grandfather

511
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: when he was dying, in his last breath, he was

512
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: making jokes with the nurses. He knew he was gonna die,

513
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: but they came out of the they came out of

514
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 1: the room laughing.

515
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: Your grandfather, he's so funny. He had We're sorry, we're laughing.

516
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: He died, but he's so funny. He must have been.

517
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: But that's us. Yeah, I mean, look at us, look

518
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: at look at the Jewish people. And by the way,

519
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: for anyone who's listening, you know, I've been to Israel

520
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: three times since October seventh. The Israelis do not disparage

521
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: the Palestinians. They hate Hamas, they want peace, they don't

522
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: they're not obsessed with this. You know, it's a terrorist organization.

523
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: And you know the only place you can be gay

524
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: and not be killed is Israel and if you're a

525
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: Palestinian and you're Gayer trands and we'll be thrown off

526
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: a building and you escape to Israel, You're granted asylum,

527
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: you're given health care, you're given counseling, you're given a job,

528
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: like like, do your due diligence before you start. You know,

529
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: you're anti Israel, anti Jewish. It's it's just it's unbelievable

530
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: the amount of anti systemitism. But I'm going to keep

531
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: talking about it, and I'm going to keep making jokes

532
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: about it.

533
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for saying that. You know, I think

534
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: more people do need to speak up about.

535
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,719
Speaker 2: That, just in place.

536
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: I've never I talk to people now, friends, and I'm like, listen,

537
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: you don't understand. I've never seen this my whole life.

538
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: You know, this is on my fifties, and I've never

539
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: seen this my whole life. I remember asking my parents

540
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: about the Holocaust when I was a kid, and then

541
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: I said, how long ago did that happen? And they

542
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: said it was about thirty years ago, and I thought

543
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: that wasn't that long ago. I mean, that could happen again,

544
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: couldn't it? In my whole life, I've always thought, man,

545
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: that can happen.

546
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Auschwitz was liberated seventeen years before I was born,

547
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: seventeen years now, think back seventeen years. I think it

548
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: was yesterday. Bee Twitter, Twitter was iPhones, no iPhones. I mean, yeah,

549
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: seventeen years is nothing. And yet here we are again

550
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: every eighty ninety years, and it's our turn. It's our

551
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: generation's turn. And yes, yeah, and we have to we

552
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: have We're not going anywhere, people, We're not going anywhere,

553
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: and you should don't go anywhere. Thankful for all of

554
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: the contributions we've made to your life. Okay, oh, it's

555
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: so annoying. I like to get let you just let

556
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: it breathe, fucking assholes.

557
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: We'll be right back with more of the comedy Save

558
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Speaker 3: Me podcast. Welcome back to the comedy Safe Me Podcast.

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Speaker 1: So coming out are coming out in the eighties and

560
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: nineties took a lot of guts for you speaking of

561
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: that because.

562
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: I came out in the nineties. I came out as

563
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 2: a gay parent. It was a big deal back then,

564
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: it was huge. I mean, there's this Netflix special I'm

565
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 2: so proud to be a part of, called Outstanding the

566
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: History of LGBTQ comedy, and it's really just Paige Trwitz

567
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 2: directed it, and it is It's fascinating and everyone should

568
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: watch it because you learn about the entire movement and

569
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: how representation, how important representation is. And I am not,

570
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: by any means the first comedian to come out, but

571
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 2: I was one of the first to come out in

572
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: the straight clubs. I was working all the straight clubs.

573
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: I had had an HBO special, but my some was

574
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: born here. I was as a gay parent. First of all,

575
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: I'm not going to hide who I am, but like,

576
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 2: what kind of message is it to say to your kids? Listen,

577
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: I love you. I don't talk about you on stage.

578
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: I talk about everything else. Number one and number two.

579
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: You know, you know I came out because of my son,

580
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: but it was because of him that it made it

581
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: more palatable and easy to come out, because I was

582
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 2: up there talking about parenting stuff, and all the people

583
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: in the arts are like, oh my god, that's the

584
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: same thing as that, Like that's so funny that, you know,

585
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: And it became that they had forgotten that it was

586
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: a gay family. Now when I hear you know, young comics,

587
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: people in their thirties mostly some forty, oh my god,

588
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: it's a little but talk about I would go to

589
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: my basement and I would watch you and you know,

590
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: I get letters like I watch You're Special with my

591
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: parents and that's how I knew they were okay with

592
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 2: gay people. And I you know, I would go say,

593
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: who is this loud Jewish lesbian screaming? And she has

594
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: a family? Like it was, you know, it was for

595
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: these kids who live in you know, these isolated areas

596
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: with not small minded, but you know, people who are

597
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 2: not exposed and have opinions because based on not no knowledge,

598
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 2: they're ignorant about the you know, there they see someone

599
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: that they can relate to and are like, oh okay,

600
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: you know, and just like I did when I was

601
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: growing up, you know, watching you know, Mary Tyler Moore

602
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 2: and you know all in like all these shows were

603
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: you know there's Mary, yeah, good times, the Jefferson's Maud

604
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: Maud was a huge, and there's mod Yeah. I love them. Yeah.

605
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, representation is everything it is.

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00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: And really you were like breaking down doors and didn't

607
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: even realize it, are you? We must have been like

608
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: am I the only one that doesn't realize that it's normal?

609
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: Like I'm normal? Hello? Well I came about Yeah, that's

610
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: such a that's a I like that. I mean I

611
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: came at it as like there's nothing, like, what is

612
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: your problem? Yeah, like they're the ones with the problem.

613
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 2: You're fine. I'm just living my life like everyone else. Yeah,

614
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: And I come out the anti Semitism, I think in

615
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: the same way on stage, I'm like, okay, oh, you

616
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 2: can't laugh for that because you just remembered you hated us.

617
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 2: I mean, come on with people.

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Speaker 1: The fact that you can even do that too, I

619
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: mean that shows so much to people in the audience.

620
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: How does that make you feel, by the way, when

621
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: you've changed someone like that, when you make somebody.

622
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Speaker 2: Who, oh my god, there's nothing you know, I really

623
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 2: just want them to laugh. But when I get these

624
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: letters or someone waiting after I mean, now I'm telling you,

625
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: people write to me and wait for me after the

626
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: show and say, you know, I was in the audience

627
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 2: and I didn't want to say I was Jewish because

628
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 2: I'm afraid, but thank you, thank you. You made me

629
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: feel proud to be a Jew, like this is what's

630
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: happening now. And I mean, on the other end, I

631
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: go into the comedy clubs and I see these gay, trans,

632
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: non binary whatever comics on stage, it's nothing. It is asked,

633
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: no one gives a shit. And yet for me, it

634
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: was like people leaving, or don't talk about this. You're

635
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: doing this gig. You can't bring this up. You can't

636
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: bring that up. You're doing a TV show, don't you know?

637
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: And no, I again, there's that little girl going what

638
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: with you people? So I think that when I'm on stage,

639
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: I'm incredulment, like I don't understand. No, I'm gonna call

640
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: you out on your shit, on your hypocrisy. So yeah,

641
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: it's really it's yeah, and so many I don't know

642
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: if you know this, but a lot of comics are like,

643
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: I'm not doing my Jewish material anymore. I'm like, you

644
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: have to do your Jewish material? Why you know? People

645
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 2: turn I'd never let me tell you something. October eighth,

646
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: after October seventh, when I got on stage, I did,

647
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 2: like a benign Jewish show, think about my mother. I

648
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: never felt pushback, not even when I was gay in

649
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: the straight clubs like that, the silence, it didn't even

650
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: compare to the gay stuff. And I said, what is

651
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: are you fucking kidding me? Wow? It happened that fast,

652
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: that fast.

653
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, so I'm not crazy, you.

654
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: Know, really, I'm telling you you're crazy. I mean, you're

655
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: probably all crazy, but you're crazy. You have to be

656
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: a little crazy. Yeah, I mean all Jews are crazy. Yeah.

657
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: Don't tell anyone saying did you ever go anywhere this

658
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: happened to you? You went to like a visit a

659
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: friend in a town you've never been to, or a

660
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: state you've never been to, and they're like, oh my god,

661
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: I've never met a Jewish person before.

662
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I was like always kind of like, really,

663
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: I what did you think? What do we do we have?

664
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: And I never know what that meant. Now I know

665
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: what that means. I have no idea. Something on the

666
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: internet where someone wrote, either on Instagram or something, did

667
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: anyone ever get asked? I've heard that people would say

668
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: Jews have horns? To anyone ever get asked? And there

669
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: was like thousands of responds everybody, Yeah, yeah, like really

670
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: you thought that was true? Right? It's Isn't it better

671
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: being naive? Though?

672
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: I want to put my rose colored glasses on and

673
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: forget about all that.

674
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: But there's a difference between naivete and ignorance. So will

675
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: full ignorance, you know, yeah, yeah, that is true.

676
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: Well, I think, what did you use the word to

677
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: describe yourself as a kid when you were growing up?

678
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: Because you were different, but you weren't. You were felt

679
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: like you were the only normal one in the family.

680
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: Oh, the identified patient.

681
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: See that, I would call the black sheep marching to

682
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: the beat of your own drum kind of seeing things

683
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: totally from a different perspective.

684
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: Right, The black sheep is like, oh, you're weird. The

685
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: identified patient is also, oh, you're weird, but we're normal

686
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: this you know what I mean? Yes, yes, And it's like, no,

687
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: you're not normal. Yeah, you know. Black sheep is just different,

688
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: she doesn't fit in. But identified the patient is like,

689
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: where the fuck did you come from? I like that.

690
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: I like that. Yeah right, that's pretty cool. Yeah, especially

691
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 2: when you know it when you're young.

692
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 1: Right, it's like you're cursed because you figured it out

693
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: and now you have to deal with that the rest

694
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: of your life and now all these decades change you

695
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: have to keep up with all the time.

696
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: It's good to have kids though, for that reason, is

697
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: good because you can then you can then you're creating

698
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 2: a human being with your values. And yeah, my kids

699
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: came out damn good.

700
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: So and that's and that is what like really speaks

701
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 1: volumes about who a person is. But then again, also

702
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: there's a crapshoot because you just never know, you can't.

703
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: But in the industry, because I'm you're so generous with

704
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: your time, Judy, I really appreciated two Emmys and accolades,

705
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: a best selling book, you had a popular podcast which

706
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: is still out there, isn't it.

707
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can listen.

708
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: You've had specials and gigs and stuff in the past.

709
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 2: They're a little tough.

710
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: What fuels you in terms of where what gives you

711
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: the strength to keep going, especially during these times as

712
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: we've just described in myriad ways.

713
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 2: I think that I don't know. I've you know, I

714
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: have this thing on my desk, all right, you have

715
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: to read it to me. I'm blind never never, never

716
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: give up. I don't know, Like it's so weird. There's

717
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: so many times I fantasize about, Oh, it's to be

718
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: a real estate age. No, I couldn't. I couldn't be

719
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: a real estate I I don't know what I would

720
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: do without being able to get on stage. I don't know.

721
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: I mean, even during COVID we were doing like zoom

722
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: shows and going outside. We go to Central Park and

723
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: do stand up. I mean, I don't know what keeps me.

724
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it I have something to

725
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: say and to go in the clubs, and that the

726
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: audience is filled with twenty five year olds and to

727
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 2: make them laugh and be relevant. It's just that it's

728
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 2: the greatest feeling. It's so great getting a laugh. It's

729
00:43:58,480 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 2: just the most amazing feeling.

730
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: Dudy, I can imagine you as a real estate agent.

731
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 2: Just buy the fucking high Now. I couldn't deal with people.

732
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: I do better when I do a set because I

733
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: like get all my.

734
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: Angst NOWT Yeah, I understand that you like to talk

735
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: a little bit.

736
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: I like to talk on stage, but like when I

737
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: first of all, I never want to go out to

738
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: dinner with a group. I can't stand group dinners. Why not,

739
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: what's the worst, what's the I'm around crowds all the time.

740
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I want to be with people I want

741
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: to be with, but I want to like have a

742
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: conversation with them. So I hate groups and I just

743
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: hate bars. I mean, I won't not but people are like, oh,

744
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: you want to go, and I'm like no, I don't

745
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: want to be around loud and crowd, I don't you

746
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: know so, and a lot of time. And I'm so

747
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: used to being by myself because I spend so much

748
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: time on my road. On the road, I kind of

749
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 2: I like being alone. Yeah, when you're around people all

750
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: the fucking time, Come on, you can't be you cannot

751
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: be rude to your fans. No, of course, I have

752
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 2: to give them time. They came to see you, even

753
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: the crazy ones. And then there's also the you know

754
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: I liked pod if You show, and the pod was

755
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: very off, and I'm like, okay, I'm sorry I offended you.

756
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 2: They have to come tell you that they can today

757
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: have to. It's like it's it's about them. You realize

758
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: as you get older, nothing is about you. It's always

759
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 2: about them.

760
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: So let's just talk about your book.

761
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I can say that.

762
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit about it, what fans can

763
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: see in it and read about it, and what's a

764
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: truth that you share in the book that others avoid.

765
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 2: Well, the book came out in twenty twenty. Really, yes,

766
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: in July of twenty twenty, right in the middle of

767
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 2: the pandemic. I didn't get to do a book tour.

768
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: I was asked to write it by an editor at

769
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: a publishing company because they had seen me on a

770
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: Vice TV piece about comics being politically incorrect or you know,

771
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: political correctness and stand up and I am against that,

772
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: but but I am a free speech I believe you

773
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: should be able to say in this country whatever you

774
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 2: want and should suffer the consequences of that if need be.

775
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: So they asked me to write this book about free

776
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: speech from the perspective of a comedian. So I wrote it,

777
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 2: and I'll never forget The first review was about this

778
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: woman was like, I really learned a lot. You know,

779
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: there's a lot of history in it and a lot

780
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 2: of arguing. Like I wrote it with a friend of mine.

781
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: I had him help me write it. We had all

782
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: these chapters about differ from parts of like stereotypes and

783
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: I don't know I have I have the book somewhere,

784
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: but you know, all different chapters about different types of

785
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 2: speech and comedy. And I used comics jokes from ages

786
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: ago and current as the evidence to support what I

787
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: was saying. And my friend Eddie would would write with me.

788
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: He would argue, I'm like, this is the point I

789
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 2: want to make and we would argue back and forth

790
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: all day long until we had it. We had it

791
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: down and it was The audiobook is fantastic. By the way,

792
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: it was in the New York Times. Oh there's an

793
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: audiobook too, Yes, And so it came out and it

794
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 2: did well, but you know, it was COVID where you

795
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 2: know no one read. It's so funny. You have all

796
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: this time to read, but you're going to make bread

797
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: instead of reading. Then when this stuff happened with Colbert

798
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 2: and Jimmy Kimmel, it got They did a second in

799
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 2: printing just recently because it is so relevant right now,

800
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: and I had I did a show about it as well.

801
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 2: We turned it into a theater piece directed by B. D.

802
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: Wong and it was fantastic and it's back. Now it's back.

803
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: People are buying it and reading it because of what

804
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: is happening to these late night hosts. Here's a big

805
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: message in the book, satire humor we are. We're the

806
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: truth tellers. That's why people laugh because it is all

807
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: seeped in truth. Satire weakens propaganda, and that is why dictators,

808
00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: authoritarians hate comedians. They're killed and jailed in other countries

809
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: and for a network to bow down to an elected official,

810
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 2: the president of the United States. This is an America

811
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: we have taken our leaders to task since the beginning

812
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: of time. The whole White House correspondence dinner, I don't

813
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 2: you can't even attend to the White House car I

814
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: mean that says a lot about someone I note in

815
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 2: the book, not that I'm making a comparison. That was it.

816
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 2: Nineteen thirty four. Nineteen thirty three, Hitler passed the Treachery Act, right,

817
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 2: which meant listening to or telling an anti Nazi joke

818
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: was an act of It was a felony punishable by

819
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: imprisonment or death. Okay, that was I think thirty for something.

820
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: The year before that, Hitler was banning books. And it's

821
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: just a repeat, like they're banning books in Florida. They're

822
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 2: banning books in libraries, books in Florida. Oh my god,

823
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: they've been banning books and and all these oh you

824
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: have to you have to look it up. They banned books,

825
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: uh in in libraries and school libraries. And yet we

826
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: have a president going after not only a journalists who

827
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: are asking questions he doesn't like or a joke, you know,

828
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: that is it's it's mind bogling. It's mind boggling. I

829
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: don't This is not America. So I wrote this book

830
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 2: and it's having a resurgence now, which I'm very happy about.

831
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: But it really helps you to understand why people feel

832
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: threatened by stand up communists. And there's also a reason

833
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: there's always a comic on a panel show. You know,

834
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 2: there are all these pundits, and then there's like the

835
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: funny one. Because they're going to tell the truth, they're

836
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 2: gonna call you out and say, oh come on. You know,

837
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 2: they're not afraid to do that.

838
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: To make they need the funny one. The funny one

839
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: always gets all the shit under the stick. They have

840
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: to wrap it up and make it palatable for everybody.

841
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: Else so they can keep their job. Yeah, exactly, totally.

842
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: Do you feel that comedy saves audiences too, or just

843
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: the comedian?

844
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: Oh uh huh, Yes, saves audiences. People say, oh my god,

845
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 2: I needed that laugh. Oh my god, I hadn't laughed

846
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: in so long. Oh my god, this happened. And then

847
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 2: I went out and I laughed. You made me forget

848
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: about blank. It is so laughter is so important, and

849
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 2: laughing at the right stuff, you know, not being mean,

850
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 2: or you see authoritarians on television and they're never they

851
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: never laugh, they don't laugh, or if you see them laughing,

852
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 2: it's they're whispering in someone's ear, and you know it's

853
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: at someone else's expense. Whenever I see someone who is

854
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: an authoritarian laugh, it's always at someone else's expense. And

855
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. You gotta stop taking yourself so seriously

856
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: and not everything is about you. That's one of the

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Speaker 2: chapters too, It's not about you. No Conadian woke up

858
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 2: this morning and was thinking about you when they were

859
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: writing their material. You know. Yeah, if you don't like

860
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 2: a joke, don't laugh at it and move on with

861
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: your fucking life.

862
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Speaker 1: If comedy went away tomorrow, what do you think would

863
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Speaker 1: save you?

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Speaker 2: Nothing? Uh, there's no nothing. There's nothing without laughter, nothing zero.

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Speaker 1: What is your proudest bit or joke? Not necessarily the

866
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: biggest laugh, but maybe the biggest truth. And some advice

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Speaker 1: for anyone thinking I'm getting into this for a career

868
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: or even just to help them through a tough time

869
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: in their life.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that was a double question there now, proudest bit?

871
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Speaker 2: No one's ever asked me that proudest Yeah, I have

872
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: a few jokes that I love, like I have an

873
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 2: Ann Frank joke that about It's one of my oldest jokes,

874
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 2: and I love that joke so much. It's about how

875
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: we would have gotten caught because there's no way my

876
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: mother would have cut her mouth shut, you know, And

877
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: then I act out this whole thing about her screaming

878
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: at me. See, I went like this, Yeah, you go

879
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 2: like that. I can't even help it, you know that.

880
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Speaker 2: You know, Jude, if I asked you to watch that

881
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: dish ten minutes, go shut up. We're gonna get caught.

882
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: That's life. We're gonna get caught, and we're all gonna

883
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: die because you couldn't wash a goddamn dish. And I

884
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 2: love that joke because it's so layered in you know,

885
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: terror and yet guilt and mothering and just and taking

886
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 2: this horrible situation and finding humor in it. So that's

887
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Speaker 2: one of my favorite, I think bits that I do.

888
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Speaker 2: I haven't done it in so long. So advice, tell

889
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 2: the truth, never seal material, do the work, do the work,

890
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Speaker 2: Get on stage and do the work. There's something you

891
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: get from being on stage that you can't get any

892
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 2: other way. But in the meantime, write your act, work

893
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 2: on your act, be weady. You know, you get opportunities

894
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: in your life and you want to be prepared and

895
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 2: people I've seen hundreds of people fizzle out because they

896
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: didn't do the work and they were writing on this

897
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 2: or writing on something else. But enjoy the journey and

898
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 2: you have to. It's not that you have to want

899
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Speaker 2: to do it to do it. You have to have

900
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 2: to do it like I have to do it because

901
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Speaker 2: it's not. Come on, it's not the greatest life. I mean,

902
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 2: I think it's great life. But the fact that I

903
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: brought up to kids be I supported a family, being

904
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Speaker 2: a community, I mean, that's the most incredible thing. And

905
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 2: that my kids see that their mother followed her dream

906
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: and did what she loved. And now I have a

907
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 2: son playing professional basketball in Israel because he wasn't afraid

908
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 2: to follow his dream. And my other son works with

909
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: kids with behavioral problems. He's following, you know, what he

910
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: loves to do. And I think they're there's a lot

911
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 2: to be said about that. But for comedians, don't ever

912
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 2: compare yourself to anyone else. Don't listen to what people.

913
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many people who will tell you shit,

914
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Speaker 2: follow your path and do the work and tell the

915
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: truth and get on stage and write.

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Speaker 1: Great great advice. And also what we also learned in

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Speaker 1: this podcast. Yeah, I guess I can say that. And

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Speaker 1: also humilities. I wrote this down, by the way, while

919
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 1: you were talking, because I just wanted to double back. Humility,

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00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: self awareness, intent, and context. Right, they're really important things.

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Speaker 1: I mean they seem so simple, but when you when

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Speaker 1: you go through life and you have the hindsight to

923
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Speaker 1: look back at it all, it.

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Speaker 2: All makes so much sense.

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Speaker 1: And you also lead by example, so it's obvious it

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Speaker 1: passed on to your children. So congratulations back you and

927
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Speaker 1: everything that you're doing. And you're right, you meet a

928
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Speaker 1: living being making people laugh.

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Speaker 2: And what better way could you living a kick wearing

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Speaker 2: mass living in the entire world. It is. You look amazing.

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Speaker 1: Judy Gold, thank you for being on Comedy Save Me,

932
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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me all right, thanks for being had.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome.