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Speaker 1: it should have. That's exactly what it sounds like. It's

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Speaker 1: an animated, made up character, Commander Crab. We're gonna do

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Speaker 1: a whole Netflix series on Commander Crab later. But no,

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Speaker 1: We got a real story to tell you. Yeah, Lionel

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Speaker 1: Buster Crab disappears in the heart of the Cold War

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Speaker 1: on a mysterious spying mission, and no one knows what

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Speaker 1: really happened. From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies,

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Speaker 1: history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back

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Speaker 1: now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 1: my name is Noel. They call me Ben. You are you?

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Speaker 1: And that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: This episode is going to be a dive into a

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Speaker 1: mystery that remains controversial in the modern day, Literally a

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Speaker 1: dive into one. Yeah. The story we're covering today has

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Speaker 1: been the inspiration for several works of popular fiction. Ian

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Speaker 1: a nineteen fifty eight film called The Silent Enemy, which

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Speaker 1: is really great and has nothing to do with Fartsnoel,

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Speaker 1: but it was based directly, well as close as you

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Speaker 1: Crab sounds okay, let's just say it. It sounds kind

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Speaker 1: concept of the Cold War. That is, that is the backdrop,

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Speaker 1: The Eastern Bloc was comprised of the USSR and various

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Speaker 1: whole lot through the official sources about what exactly is

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00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: going on here. Again, it's that thing of let's not

428
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: expose our larger operation. But then something kind of crazy happens. Yeah,

429
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 1: about six months later, on the south coast of England,

430
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: someone discovers a body. It's headless and handless, someone's decapitated,

431
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: cut off the hands at the wrists, and the officials say, well,

432
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: here are the remains of Commander Crab. And we talked

433
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: a little bit about technology at the time, Like Matt

434
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: mentioned the idea of manning torpedoes, the technology of the

435
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: time forensically meant that with neither head nor hands available,

436
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: it was almost impossible to get a solid identification on

437
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: the body. No dental records, no fingerprints, yeah, none of

438
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: that stuff. And already the way that a body will

439
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: change if submerged in water for a long time is

440
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: that's something that we could we could make a guess at, right,

441
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: and maybe even the type of water, maybe even the

442
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: type of journey the body took, but that's still not

443
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: solid identification. No, And there were no identifying marks that

444
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: the examiners could find, nothing unique at least any kind

445
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: of scars, tattoos, anything like that. And Crab's former diving partner,

446
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: a fellow named Sydney Knowles, identified the body. He's the

447
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: one who said that's Buster. Yep, yep. So what happened,

448
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: what happened to Commander Crab? Well, we've got a little

449
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: better idea now that it's been years and years and

450
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: years since the occurrence, since we've got, you know, some

451
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: reports from the intelligence offices that we're carrying out the

452
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: mission in which Commander Crab met his demise. But honestly,

453
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: there are a lot of questions and we'll answer some

454
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: and pose quite a few more after a word from

455
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. Okay, So jump way,

456
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: way way forward from nineteen fifty six to the you're

457
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: two thousand and six the future. Yes, the BBC, the

458
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: British Broadcasting Corporation, obtained via a freedom of information application

459
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: a little different from here in the United States, but

460
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: the same thing in theory. It was a formerly secret

461
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: document and it was an official report of Commander Crab's

462
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: final mission. So what the intelligent groups had to say

463
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: about it? Essentially, the report showed that crabs intelligence handlers

464
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: didn't follow a lot of the standard procedures that you

465
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: would when going on a mission of this sort, specifically

466
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: about protecting the secrecy of what's going on, where people are,

467
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: what they're doing, like the actual names of your operatives,

468
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: which is that that's a big detail. But I want

469
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: to I want a caveat that. Okay, sure, because following

470
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: standard procedures could mean almost anything. Oh yeah, and that

471
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: is my phrase there. So standard procedures is not what

472
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: was used in the article that was created there, but

473
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: it's they didn't follow protocols essentially that are set forth

474
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: for how you how you would maintain secrecy, which, if

475
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: we were to speculate, would be stuff along the lines

476
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:26,959
Speaker 1: of creating a plausible alibi for the actual operatives if

477
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: they ever came into question. Right, we need some sort

478
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: of dummied up proof that you know, Crab was not

479
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: in Portsmouth, he was in North Sandwich on Rye, and

480
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: this is just some other guy who hasn't assumed name,

481
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: who was there at the time, who may even have

482
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: identification on him that shows he's a different person. So

483
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: the idea there is that through some error, whether bureaucratic

484
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: or whether whether it was a minor bureaucratic error, or

485
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: whether it was a complete poop show from the beginning. Yeah,

486
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: it started off on a bad note. They checked into

487
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: a hotel, he and his handlers with their actual names,

488
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: that was right there by the port. Like, how crazy

489
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: is that? Swinging a miss right? Kind of a rookie move,

490
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: I know, it just seems like it was set up

491
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: to fail from the start. It's kind of like in

492
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: not to make light of what I believe. It's clearly

493
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: a tragic death, but it's kind of like in James

494
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: Bond films. One of the biggest plot holes in James

495
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: Bond films is that guy is always using his real name,

496
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: and he says it all the time, constantly, way more

497
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: often than you would even you would say the name

498
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: of like someone you loved, you know for sure, And

499
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: it does seem like a lot of other characters in

500
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: those movies do use code names. Maybe it's just to

501
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: show his raw bravado that it's like, I don't need

502
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: to use code names because I got this ish on Lockdown.

503
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm good. Also, I want to get us too far

504
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: off track. Another James Bond point. I read a pretty

505
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: fascinating study where someone had went through the films and

506
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: the books and said just how much is this guy

507
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: drinking and his liver would have been shot and srotic

508
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: if he was drinking like that every day, and he

509
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: would probably be falling down drunk by you know, late afternoon. Yeah,

510
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: at least I spy better than I've had a so

511
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: more like blitzed James blitzed, Yeah, exactly. So uh so, Yeah,

512
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: it was it was clear then that now that we

513
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: have that specific there, the had woefully woefully misjudge the

514
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: sequence of events, Yes, exactly. And then well here's the

515
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: other thing. When it was clear that he had gone missing.

516
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: You know, we're not sure where he is, but he's

517
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: definitely not on the mission anymore, and he hasn't resurfaced.

518
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: His team shows not to carry out a full search because,

519
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: as we said before, they were they were afraid of

520
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: alerting the crew of the cruiser that they were looking

521
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: at um, of letting them know that, hey, we're doing this.

522
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: Because those guys Nikita Krushev, they're they're on a diplomatic mission.

523
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: There's not supposed to be any spine going on right here.

524
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: This is supposed to be a here, shake my hand,

525
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: welcome to my country. Let's discuss things, you know, Krushev is,

526
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: by the way, the Soviet official who was famously alleged

527
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: to have pounded his shoe in international meetings and told

528
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: the US that he was going to crush them. Yes,

529
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: alleged that probably didn't happen. There, there's let's just a

530
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: jump on that, Ben. Sure, there is an article you

531
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: can find. Oh man, what is it called. It's like

532
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: the the disaster Dinner or the fiasco Dinner. I forget

533
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: exactly how they phrased it, but it's all about a

534
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: specific meeting with I believe the Labor Party that took

535
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: place during this trip, and how upset and angry Kruschev

536
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: was at certain things, and the threats that he made.

537
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: It's it's fascinating fiasco dinner, I think, fiasco dinner. Yeah. So,

538
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: as soon as they've found out in real time, not

539
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: counting the not counting the deceptive and completely false, deceitful

540
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: pr stories, before they even started half cooking those up

541
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: or half baking those, they said, we're not going to

542
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: carry out a search. Yeah, he's that guy's gone. Yeah,

543
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: we don't know who he was, he's gone. The Prime

544
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: Minister himself, Anthony Eaton, had no idea not only that

545
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: the mission failed, but had no idea that there was

546
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: a mission for more than a little more than two

547
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: weeks after. Yeah, you'd think he'd be pretty grumpy. Yeah,

548
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: but I think that idea is protecting him because he's

549
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: actually in the room with all these guys, you know,

550
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: and you don't you don't want any kind of tell

551
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: on his part if he knows. Is it plausible deniability?

552
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: I mean, we see that happening in the US all

553
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: the time, with the practice of compartmentalized intelligence. You know,

554
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: I believe multiple presidents have been shut down for during

555
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: their during their honeymoon phase with the American electorate. They say,

556
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: we're going to find out what really happened to JFK,

557
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: and we're going to find out what really what what's

558
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: really going on with all these allegations of UFOs and stuff,

559
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: And then you just see like the yeah, you get

560
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: into that dark room and sorry, when the actual unelected

561
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: government officials that are instead appointed right or promoted into

562
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: these positions are often the ones who will control access

563
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 1: to that intelligence. And I think I think you guys

564
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: raise a great point where where the Prime Minister probably

565
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: probably doesn't know, but I'm just so skeptical about that

566
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: stuff when they say that they really don't know. I

567
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: know it can occur, and they might not know about

568
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: a specific mission. Surely there was an inkling, right, Surely

569
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: there was a program, right, and it had to come

570
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: up and at least a budget meeting where someone's like, hey,

571
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: we're getting a lot of swimming equipment. You guys get

572
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: in a pool. What's going on anyway? Reason number seventy four,

573
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: why I'm not Prime Minister. So what happened with the

574
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: diving partner? Well, yes, if you remember that, fellow mister

575
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: Sidney Knowles. He the next year after this two thousand

576
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: and six whole thing, in two thousand and seven, he

577
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: did an interview with the BBC's show called Inside Out,

578
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: and he stated that he had only identified the body

579
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: of Commander Crab because he was quote under pressure to

580
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: do so, and he suggested that that Buster may have

581
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: been murdered on orders by British intelligence, like it was

582
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: an inside job to get rid of Crab, which is

583
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: insane in its implications. Right, Maybe he knew something that

584
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: he wasn't supposed to, or he was going to do

585
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: something that somebody didn't like. Well, Inside Out he goes

586
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: Sidney goes into it a little further, and we've got

587
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: an excerpt that we're going to read from that, all right,

588
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: So I'm just going to paraphrase this a little bit.

589
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: So Sydney said that Crab was varied bitter, and that

590
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: he was also mixing with a pro Soviet group of

591
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: people who dragged Sydney along to parties they were attended

592
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: by the likes of double agents like Anthony Blunt. And

593
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: here's here's a pretty tasty quote. He said, it's either

594
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: suicide or bloody Russia. Yeah, And that's what Crab told Sydney, like,

595
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: if I'm either going to commit suicide or I'm gonna

596
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: go to Russia, like I'm gonna I'm gonna defect effect

597
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: yeah h yeah. So Sidney really believed that at this

598
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: point Crab was going to defect. So Sidney alerted the

599
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: intelligence services and my five, and he refused to dive

600
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: with Crab on this second Russian ship mission, the one

601
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: that he was on on April nineteenth, which you know,

602
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: that was the whole Portsmouth one We've been talking about

603
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: this whole time. But previously he had gone on a

604
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: secret mission with Crab let's see to the Russian warship

605
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: Sverdlov on its visit Portsmith. So he had been there

606
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: before with Crab and none of them before, but he

607
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: had decided it was a bad idea to go on

608
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: this one. And he believes that although he wasn't there,

609
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: Buster Krab did not dive alone. Specifically, Sydney Knowles said

610
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: Buster told him they'd given him a new buddy Diver,

611
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: and then Crab never returned, leading Sydney to believe Crab

612
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: was murdered. We buried the lead slightly when we mentioned

613
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: one person here, Anthony Blunt, yes, as one of the

614
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: pro Soviet people that Sydney Knowles believes took Crab to

615
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: these parties. Right, Sir Anthony Blunt was for a long

616
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: time an art historian, a professor and a writer. And

617
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't until nineteen sixty four, when he was offered

618
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: immunity for prosecution, that he confessed to having been a

619
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: Soviet spy for a long time. From somewhere in the

620
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: nineteen thirties to the nineteen fifties, he was a member

621
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: of a group called the Cambridge five Wow. So this

622
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: was an influential a tremendously influential member of UK society,

623
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: one of the type of people who would probably be

624
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: immune from the kind of scrutiny or questioning that the

625
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: Hoi polloi, the peasants and the proles would encounter. And

626
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: just you know, Sydney, the reason why he said, Crab

627
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: is feeling all of this. It's a reason that a

628
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: lot of us listening right now might feel a bit

629
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: bitter because he could not find a job after retiring

630
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: from his official military services. He just couldn't get work anywhere,

631
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: even though he'd put all this put in all this time. Yeah,

632
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: and you know, done so many heroic things and been

633
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: given awards, but he just couldn't find a job. Yeah.

634
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 1: I mean, so many folks you know in our country

635
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: that get out of the service liking it to almost

636
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: like the same treatment as people getting out of prison.

637
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: You're kind of ostracized a bit and are treated almost

638
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Speaker 1: like a societal barrial almost. It's just a total shame

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Speaker 1: and disrespectful. Yeah, incredibly so, especially when we consider the

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Speaker 1: lack of support. And when you say for support, we're

641
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Speaker 1: not talking just financial support. Economic support is important, but

642
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Speaker 1: so is cultural support, assimilation support, mental health support and

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Speaker 1: well for anyone listening outside of the country. In the

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Speaker 1: US currently, we have an organization called the Veterans Administration

645
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Speaker 1: whose job it is to help returning military members acclimate

646
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Speaker 1: to society and have a civilian life. And in many

647
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Speaker 1: this is not a political jab. It doesn't matter what

648
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Speaker 1: side of the false psychotomy people are finding themselves on.

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Speaker 1: In many cases, it isn't arguable that the Veterans Administration

650
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Speaker 1: has done a really terrible job organizationally, it's maybe a

651
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Speaker 1: show for a different day. The other thing about this,

652
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Speaker 1: so we said two thousand and six that FOI report

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Speaker 1: comes out, not the whole story. Still, Nope, it's not

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Speaker 1: the whole story. He gave the interview in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and seven. Then what happened next In the same year

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven, a retired Russian diver named

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Speaker 1: Eduard Koltsov claimed that he had murdered Crab on that

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Speaker 1: famous dive in April by slicing his throat because he

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00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: caught the frogman planting a mine underwater. Wow. This was

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Speaker 1: in a documentary on topic. He also produced a dagger

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Speaker 1: that he claimed he used in the murder. The implications

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Speaker 1: of this are tremendously disturbing because if Crab was on

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Speaker 1: a mission planting a mine on a ship, in a

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Speaker 1: diplomatic mission on a vessel like that functions diplomatic vessel,

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Speaker 1: then it's a clear active war yeah, and could be

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Speaker 1: considered a war crime. Ye. The way that this would

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Speaker 1: have changed the course of history had this occurred. And

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Speaker 1: what's disturbing about that is we still can't reliably if

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Speaker 1: that is true. We can't reliably suss out the motive.

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Speaker 1: Why would an intelligence agency that, as evidenced by their

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Speaker 1: continuing protection of just reprehensible criminals like these people are

672
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Speaker 1: good at keeping secrets, why would they do this rushed

673
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: job with this obvious active provocation this you know they're

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Speaker 1: there are big questions that this Koltsov story brings up.

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Speaker 1: Surviving relatives of craps do not believe Koltsov's story one bit.

676
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Speaker 1: They think it's another attempt by the UK to cover

677
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Speaker 1: up the truth. And they believe that what happened was

678
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Speaker 1: either Crab willingly defected or that he was abducted and

679
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Speaker 1: then brainwashed. Wow, and we know just that, like we've

680
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Speaker 1: seen or heard of or read the Manchurian candidate, and

681
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Speaker 1: we talk about allegations of this stuff with things like

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Speaker 1: Sirhan Sirhan rfk's assassin. The big question here is whether

683
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Speaker 1: or not this kind of brainwashing even works. But the

684
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Speaker 1: unfortunate and absolutely insane truth of it is both the

685
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: US and Russia tried it numerous ways. They were like,

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Speaker 1: let's give him truth serum, what about LSD, what about

687
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Speaker 1: sleep deprivation. Let's see if we can take cult indoctrination

688
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Speaker 1: tactics and apply it to people to make them do

689
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: things they would not normally do. That is a lot

690
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: to swallow out their theory of what happened to the guy?

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Speaker 1: Is it possible, though, Is it possible that he defected?

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Speaker 1: Is it possible that he was killed by his own handlers?

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Speaker 1: Is it possible that the Russian forces killed him? And

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Speaker 1: that the two great powers involved in this decided to

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Speaker 1: prevent the dominoes that would fall if this stuff came out.

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Speaker 1: I've got one for you. What if he was setting

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Speaker 1: up a false flag for the Soviets to like as

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Speaker 1: like acting as a Soviet agent to set up a

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Speaker 1: mind that would explode while it's in the harbor and

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Speaker 1: make it look like it was m I six and

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Speaker 1: other intelligence services him an active war interesting to what

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Speaker 1: end to spark all out war, to heat the Cold

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Speaker 1: War up. I'm not saying anything about it being true,

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Speaker 1: which is something I was ruminating on last night, But

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Speaker 1: that's very interesting. I hadn't thought of that angle. It's

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Speaker 1: a surprising one, but it's not. It might be outside

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Speaker 1: the realm of plausibility, but it's not outside the realm

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Speaker 1: of possibility. And then it also brings us to a

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Speaker 1: really important point. A lot of times, especially now, how

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Speaker 1: does this apply to twenty seventeen right? How does it

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Speaker 1: spide our modern age? A lot of what we see

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Speaker 1: public figures, whether they are elected officials, whether they are dictators,

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Speaker 1: whether they are ministers in something. Anybody in the geopolitical

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Speaker 1: arena is on some level performing two different, three different

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Speaker 1: types of shows. If we think of it as being performative,

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Speaker 1: there's one show performed for the domestic population, the voters,

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Speaker 1: the average citizens, the oppressed, whomever, and that is typically

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Speaker 1: going to be nationalistic. It's typically going to be something

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Speaker 1: about our enemies to keep people motivated by fear right.

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Speaker 1: And then the same people have what they say on

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Speaker 1: the international sphere, and sometimes those messages might seem contradictory

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Speaker 1: to the domestic population, so they're not really broadcast the

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Speaker 1: stuff that whichever country you live in, the stuff that

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Speaker 1: your leader is saying when it's not being recorded to

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00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 1: groups of other leaders is probably not the same stuff.

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Speaker 1: With a few notable exceptions, it's probably not the same

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00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: stuff they're telling you when they want you to vote

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Speaker 1: for them, or they want you to not complain about

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00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: internet censorship or the oppression of minorities. And the third one,

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Speaker 1: this is so weird. I didn't learn about this for

731
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: a long time. But the third one is let's say

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Speaker 1: that Matt, you are the leader of country A, and

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Speaker 1: Noll you're the leader of country B. The populations of

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Speaker 1: country A and country B have historically hated one another, right,

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Speaker 1: And what happens then is that when your first round

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Speaker 1: of theater, you the leader of country A, you the

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Speaker 1: leader of country B, will tell your local populations. You know,

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Speaker 1: forget Country A. They're the worst, they smell, they're threatening us,

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Speaker 1: they're taking all the resources. All those people in country B.

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Speaker 1: They use way too many double A batteries. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you guys noticed, you guys notice it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And let's say Let's say also that one of you

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00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: just recently got elected and eliminated, so you're espousing all

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00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: this The word you'll often hear used as provocative language

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00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: right domestically, making public statements internationally that kind of say

746
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: the same thing, but tilted in a way to get

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00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: other people, other countries on your side. You want countries

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Speaker 1: see through Z to like country A or be better.

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00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: But when the two of you meet on private phone

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Speaker 1: calls or in person, you become a lot more like

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00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: people trying to negotiate a car sale or people trying

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00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: to negotiate a transaction, which means you'll say stuff like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I know that we have our differences. The

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Speaker 1: previous leader, you know, I didn't like them that much either. Frankly,

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00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: I'm someone you can work with, and so here's what

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Speaker 1: I need. And it becomes sort of a quid pro

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Speaker 1: quo situation wherein the two people that publicly claim to

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Speaker 1: hate each other on behalf of millions of other people

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00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: get in a room together and one of them says, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm looking for a better gas line,

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Speaker 1: and the other one says, well, you can't get the

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Speaker 1: gas line until I can get some of these sanctions dropped,

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Speaker 1: and then you know what, I think, I think we

764
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Speaker 1: can work on that. And the next thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: they've shake hands. They have these content they have very

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Speaker 1: differing tones and there, and they're one on one interactions

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Speaker 1: where they're actually doing stuff and then the performative interactions

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Speaker 1: where they're just sort of garnering support. The recent fairly

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Speaker 1: recent irandeal comes to mind just when thinking about something

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Speaker 1: like that and getting something very complicated out of two

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00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: countries that make those kinds of statements, and then it

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00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: just becomes more complicated when there are multiple countries involved.

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Speaker 1: I know that's a little bit of a ramp, but

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Speaker 1: I think it is important for us to clearly establish

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Speaker 1: that what you're seeing if you if you look into

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00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: these sorts of events or any events that geopolitical implications,

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00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: is you're seeing different snatches of three very different conversations

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00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: and you have to kind of triangulate the truth in

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00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: between them. Now, some some world leaders, it is true,

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00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: have always had the same the same message and all

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00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: three conversations, and other world leaders aren't particularly into that.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're they're they get in that one on

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00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: one situation and they're like wait what you meant all

784
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: that crazy stuff you were saying. It's a weird world

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00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: in which we live, and that's one of the reasons

786
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: that we still don't know what happened to command or

787
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: crap yep, but we do know that the danger, the

788
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: threat of these ghost combat divers of frogmen, it still exists.

789
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: It's very much real right now, and they could be

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Speaker 1: used in the modern day to scout defenses for future missions.

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00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: They could take and leave equipment in places that will

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Speaker 1: be used later. They can place microphones, and you can

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00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: determine all kinds of things underwater. If you have really

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00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: good mics, you can figure out what ships are doing,

795
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Speaker 1: where they're going, how much fuel they're using. You can

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Speaker 1: even listen to the noises of crew, like if you're

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00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: listening to submarines, which is crazy to think about. The

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Speaker 1: fiber optic umbilical lines we mentioned before, those huge fiber

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Speaker 1: optic wires, they can be tapped. Navy piers can also

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Speaker 1: use wireless connection systems and those signals can be used

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Speaker 1: to be or I guess these divers can intercept those

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Speaker 1: signals if they wanted to from the water. The only

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00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: thing with that, though, you've got to break all kinds

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00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: of crazy encryption from the military, but you know, if

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00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: you're also a military force, you can probably do it.

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00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: And to a degree this is well, to an extreme degree,

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00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,959
Speaker 1: this is changing with the use of modern technology. You'll

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Speaker 1: hear a lot of pundits and experts tell you that

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Speaker 1: the new and most important sphere of warfare and therefore

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00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: spycraft is information collection, right, and spycraft to a degree

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00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: has always been about information collection overwhelmingly. This doesn't mean

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00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: that the old wet work stuff, the old physically putting

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00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: a person in the room, has stopped existing. You know,

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00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: for instance, with Stuck's Net, the program used most likely

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Speaker 1: by the US and Israel to disrupt Iran's nuclear enrichment activities,

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00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: that virus had to physically be put into that system

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00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: because there no country is going to well. Iran at

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Speaker 1: least is not going to be foolish enough to have

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Speaker 1: online access to nuclear nuclear enrichment facilities. So no matter

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Speaker 1: how how far technology evolves at this point, until we

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Speaker 1: have superhuman android operatives that can until we have robots

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Speaker 1: that can pass for human, we're still going to have

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00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: physical people traveling into a place yep. And this means

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00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: that as we record today, nobody knows how many people

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Speaker 1: or how many missions similar to this are actively happening.

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Speaker 1: It ports all over the world, and just in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the sea somewhere being you know, these guys

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Speaker 1: being deployed to go check out a ship in the south,

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Speaker 1: trying to see the frogman cometh The frog man cometh, Google,

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Speaker 1: Diego Garcia, Ye have some time. That's an interesting rabbit hole.

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Speaker 1: And with that, for now we conclude the story of

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Speaker 1: Commander Crab. We will update it if we learn whether

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Speaker 1: any of these, any of these conclusions have become the

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Speaker 1: inarguable truth. Absolutely, but this does not end our show.

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Speaker 1: We want we want to hear from you. Do you

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Speaker 1: think these operations are relatively rare in the modern day?

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Speaker 1: And by these operations we mean stuff that occurs with

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Speaker 1: absolute deniability. Yes, stuff that the president of a country

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Speaker 1: or the prime minister of a country doesn't know about.

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Speaker 1: Are they rare? Are they more common? Are they less common?

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Speaker 1: We want to hear from you, And that reminds us

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00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: it's time for our first shout out comes from the captain.

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Speaker 1: He says, Hi, guys, I'm a big fan. A friend

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Speaker 1: of mine recently introduced your podcast to me, I was

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00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: listening to your Ghulan Movement episode, which was great. I

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00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: had no idea there was anything like that potentially involved

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Speaker 1: with the failed Q. You were asked about the definition

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Speaker 1: of a social movement, and I have a definition for

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Speaker 1: you from my college class on social movement rhetoric, perfect, convenient.

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Speaker 1: A social movement must meet the following criteria. It must

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Speaker 1: be an organized collectivity. It must be an uninstitutionalized collectivity.

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Speaker 1: And just you know off air who we had to

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Speaker 1: look up collectivity. I was thinking collective, but a collectivity

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Speaker 1: as individuals who are considered as a whole group. An

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Speaker 1: example would be a gathering of all the people in

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Speaker 1: a town moving on. It must also be large enough

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Speaker 1: and propose or oppose some kind of change. Just to

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Speaker 1: delve in a little bit for clarity, an organized collectivity

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Speaker 1: is fairly straightforward. A movement needs some kind of organization

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Speaker 1: to make things happen. Think social movement organizations like Black

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Speaker 1: Lives Matter or the Tea Party. As for uninstitutionalized, a

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Speaker 1: social movement, at least when it starts, is generally made

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Speaker 1: up of outsiders and thus cannot be made up of

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Speaker 1: corporations or government To be large enough. A social movement

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Speaker 1: simply needs to reach the size it needs to affect

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Speaker 1: the change it proposes or opposes. Finally, propose or oppose

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Speaker 1: change is fairly obvious on its face. There may be

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Speaker 1: a few different definitions, and I am pulling from my

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Speaker 1: class notes, so I cannot give you any But yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's how you define that was Isn't that nice of

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Speaker 1: the captain, Captain? Yeah, well, we in the captain made

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Speaker 1: it happen. That's right. It's really cool to uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: think about it that much and send us that much detail,

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Speaker 1: so we really appreciate it. Yeah, thank you so much. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: thanks for writing to us, captain. Who's next? Well, next

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Speaker 1: we have mister B. And mister B is not a listener. Well,

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Speaker 1: he very well could be, but who knows. I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. Um, he had a very

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Speaker 1: interesting Monday this past October two. Oh I know about

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Speaker 1: this guy. Okay, Yes, this is an article that was

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Speaker 1: sent to us by our freendemy, our best friend of me,

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Speaker 1: our complaint department. Yeah, Jonathan Strickland, And I'm just going

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Speaker 1: to read part of this article. It's from K to Radio.

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Speaker 1: Here we go, A Casper Man claiming to be from

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Speaker 1: the future, has been arrested for having too much to

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Speaker 1: drink in the present stone cold awesome headline or leading line. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Casper police officers say at around ten thirty pm on Monday,

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Speaker 1: October two, they were dispatched to a residence on East

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Speaker 1: Second Street for a man who was stating he was

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Speaker 1: from the future and he was there to help people.

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Speaker 1: They found mister B, who claimed that he was from

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Speaker 1: the year twenty forty eight and he was trying to

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Speaker 1: warn the people of Casper that aliens were coming next

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Speaker 1: year and they should leave as soon as possible, the people,

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Speaker 1: not the aliens. He added that he wanted to speak

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Speaker 1: to the president of the town. Oh boy away, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's way less commitment than be president of the country.

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Speaker 1: Mister B told the police that the only way he

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Speaker 1: was able to time travel was to have aliens fill

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Speaker 1: his body with alcohol and have him stand on a

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Speaker 1: giant pad which transported him to twenty seventeen, but he

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Speaker 1: ended up in the wrong year. It was supposed to

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Speaker 1: be twenty eighteen. I think we can end it there.

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Speaker 1: They determined that mister B could not take care of

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Speaker 1: himself and he was causing a disturbance. So yeah, they

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Speaker 1: took him in. He had an early breath sample showing

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Speaker 1: a blood alcohol content of point one three to six,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, he was definitely filled with alcohol and trying

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Speaker 1: to time travel. But hey, who's the same mister b

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Speaker 1: wasn't a time traveler? Come on, maybe that's how aliens operate, right,

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Speaker 1: who's to say? And we hope he is well, we

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Speaker 1: hope his mission goes well, yeah, you know, maybe he

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Speaker 1: is prophetic. Well see what happens since right eighteen? And

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Speaker 1: of course we want to think Jonathan Strickland for Ryan

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Speaker 1: too us. Jonathan Strickland is available for any questions, comments,

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Speaker 1: or concerns about our show twenty four hours a day,

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Speaker 1: seven days a week at Jonathan Strickland at how Stuffworks

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Speaker 1: dot com. And this concludes, oh gosh, but not our

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Speaker 1: show week And that's the end of this classic episode.

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