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Speaker 3: But I need y'all to understand the significance of the

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Speaker 3: cultural developmental experience that is a historically black college or

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Cultivating her Space, a podcast dedicated to uplifting

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Speaker 1: women like you.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Dominique Bussard, a college professor and psychologist.

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Speaker 4: And Terry Lomax, a techie and motivational speaker. In a

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Speaker 1: Hey, lady doctor dom here from the Cultivating her Space podcast.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. All right, lady, today we have a very

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Speaker 4: say the name two Pece Spicy. All right, and if

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Speaker 4: you know, you know, if you checked out season eight,

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Speaker 4: episode eleven, coming to Grips with being enough that you've

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Speaker 4: heard this guest on the podcast Before All Right. Doctor

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Speaker 4: Moody is a licensed clinical psychologist, lifestyle and relationship coach,

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Speaker 4: and professor. She has dedicated her work to promoting emotional, psychological,

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Speaker 4: Doctor Moody is the co creator and co facilitator of

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Speaker 4: the Sister Circle Experience, a therapeutic group and wellness retreat

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Speaker 4: at Texas Southern University. Doctor Moody, welcome to Cultivating her space.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back, Shall we say thank you.

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Speaker 3: Guys for having me back. I'm so excited. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: Of course, of course we had to have you back, sour.

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Speaker 4: That is so inspiring to to know that you had

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Speaker 3: First misconception is that the quality of education is subpar.

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Speaker 3: So let me help y'all get this all the way together.

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Speaker 3: the cool people who add the union in front of

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Speaker 3: the union for all of the events, who get all

433
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 3: of the you know who, folks are actually trying to

434
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 3: recruit for their fraternities and sororities. On the rest of

435
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 3: this kind of stuff, you might end up being the

436
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 3: SGA people. You know, you might end up being the

437
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 3: people who, Okay, well, we are just a little group

438
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 3: over here who's responsible for doing community outreach. We go

439
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,959
Speaker 3: out and do stuff for the kids at the high schools,

440
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, where we do stuff for the

441
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 3: elderly folks who live in the community or environment. So

442
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 3: I think it helps folks to be able to figure

443
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 3: out what those particular the development of those particular relationships

444
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 3: are and to help to really really shape the foundation

445
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 3: of your identity you move, especially if you have the

446
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 3: opportunity to get away from home and from the environment

447
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 3: that has worked so intentionally to shape you into who

448
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 3: you show up as when you get to school. If

449
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: your mama is not in the mix, if your dad

450
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 3: is not in the mix, the ants, the people who

451
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,239
Speaker 3: live in your neighborhood, the church that you go to,

452
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 3: then there's an opportunity for people to try on these

453
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 3: I want to call them like jackets I can put

454
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 3: on this week. If I decide I'm gonna be goth

455
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna hang out with these particular people, you

456
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 3: have the opportunity to have the experience exclusive of the

457
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 3: influence of the folks who want you to be a

458
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 3: certain way to figure out, Yeah, no, that don't work

459
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 3: for me. If you're over here and I decide that

460
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 3: I want to be I'm with the Baptist Student Union

461
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 3: folks over here, and I'm going to be the evangelists

462
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 3: and we're part of the you know, the abstinence group.

463
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 3: And you decide that's not for me, that I'm cool

464
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 3: on that, I don't have that to do either. It

465
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 3: gives folks an opportunity to be able to try on

466
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 3: those bits and pieces so that they can figure out

467
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 3: what actually works for them. And those are the pieces

468
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 3: that help you to be able to determine what your

469
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 3: tribe is. And when folks see you struggling, much like

470
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 3: Be and Dominique do, we will get together on us

471
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 3: like what is going on with such and such? Something

472
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 3: is something going on behind the scenes, because we recognize

473
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 3: those things have implications for what our students are bringing

474
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 3: in the classroom and what their academic performance looks like.

475
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 3: So you know, there's an opportunity for you to be

476
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 3: able to connect and be mentored by people who look

477
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: like where you want to be, who can snatch you

478
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 3: and let you know, hey, this is you going in

479
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: the wrong direction. You say you want this, you might

480
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 3: want to reconsider. So it's a playground, so to speak,

481
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: that helps folks to be able to come in and

482
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 3: figure out what their blackness looks like. My blackness might

483
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 3: not necessarily be okay, well, you know I got locks

484
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 3: that go to the floor that I've been growing for

485
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 3: however many years, or that you know, I war my

486
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 3: head natural and I have like a fade, or I

487
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 3: come in with a perm and you know, dress like

488
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 3: the girls who down the street in the white sorority house.

489
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 3: Whatever your blackness looks like, it gives you an opportunity

490
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 3: for you to be able to come in and try

491
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 3: those things on with and and of course that we're

492
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 3: individuals too, so there's going to be some folks who

493
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 3: are going to be judgmental. You got to think about it.

494
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,719
Speaker 3: It's just with adolescents being a bit more extended now

495
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: than it has historically been, you're gonna still have the

496
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 3: little folks who gonna have stuff to say, find out

497
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: what establishing, maintaining and losing friendships is all about, all

498
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: the rest of that kind of stuff. But it helps

499
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 3: to shore up your identity so you can be stronger

500
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: in who you are, so you don't have to go

501
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 3: there with all of you know, it's a lot of

502
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 3: folks who gonna come there with their black stuff already

503
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 3: tied up together, and it's going to be some folks

504
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 3: who will get there and figure out that what you

505
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 3: thought was black and black real. So I don't know

506
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 3: that people recognize these significance of that particular developmental stage

507
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 3: for black students or black identified students who are getting

508
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 3: ready to go out and to matriculate in this world

509
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 3: that is set up for you to not have access.

510
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 5: You hit the nail on the head, doctor Murdy and Io.

511
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Speaker 4: I do want to say, although I did not have

512
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 4: the privilege of attending an HBCU in school, I did

513
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 4: have a chance to work at an HBCU, and it

514
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 4: was one of the best experiences I've ever had, being

515
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 4: able to just be in that space, because that's like,

516
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 4: we have a certain swag and vibe when we get together.

517
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 4: And I didn't end up realizing that, oh, there's a

518
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 4: place for me here, even though I had a different

519
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 4: upbringing and I was raised around to certain people, there's

520
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 4: a place for me here. And so I'm so glad

521
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 4: you hit on that point because it's so true. I

522
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 4: think it's a great developmental experience for sure.

523
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's huge, it's huge. And I also noticed

524
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 3: that there are a lot of my classmates who aren't Greek.

525
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 3: But I want to say, we've had some this conversation before,

526
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 3: too dumb, that there are a lot of people that

527
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 3: we know from New Orleans who are went to school

528
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 3: and not Greek, right, and like, well, what do you

529
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 3: think a lot of that might be about? Another one

530
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 3: of my girlfriends and I know kind of talks about it,

531
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 3: and we think that there is more of an intact identity,

532
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: not that it's a bad thing, but a lot of

533
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 3: people who get into Greek organizations looking for an identity,

534
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 3: They're looking for a place to belong, they're looking for

535
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 3: a way to be and a lot of us aren't

536
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: necessarily having that particular search, especially if you've already been

537
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 3: fortified before. So and it's not necessarily because you know,

538
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 3: you know, like I said, as far as my understanding,

539
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: my historical understanding of the necessity of those particular organizations,

540
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 3: they they played a significant role in being able to

541
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 3: lay foundation for a lot of the freedoms that we're

542
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 3: able to exercise and engage in right now that we

543
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 3: benefit from. But I also know I can tell y'all

544
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 3: from some of you know, some of just in terms

545
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: of the stuff that I've seen go down for the

546
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: sake of people being involved or you know, the pledging

547
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 3: a like hola hola hola hold when it comes out

548
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: to some of the degradation and some of the hazen stuff,

549
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 3: it's like that if you how are you gonna dehumanize

550
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: somebody and then you want them after the fact to

551
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 3: be able to call you system, I'm supposed to be

552
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: able to like, come on that, y'all. Y'all got it.

553
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: And it's just the folks who are more fortified and

554
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: who are more clear and like really really secure and

555
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: who they are they dan Look, if I don't need that,

556
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 3: I don't know. We're not doing it because trust me,

557
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 3: we're not gonna be cool after the fact. You're just

558
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: not gonna be a part of my tribe. We're not

559
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: gonna be cool, and you're just not I'm not getting

560
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: ready due to the extra crazy stuff. Yeah, so it

561
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 3: is it's an opportunity for you to kind of figure

562
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 3: out what those things look like.

563
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I will say too that I think some

564
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: of it also, like being a part of Greek organizations

565
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: is about like social standing. Right if we think about

566
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: like a historical perspective of okay, this is a representation

567
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: of upward mobility. It feels like and you know, I'm

568
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: sure our friends that our Greek may correct us on this,

569
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: but you know, it's it feels like participation in like

570
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: being a part of the Links or you know, having

571
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: your kids in Jack and Jill, and it's those ways

572
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: in which to connect with other black folks out and

573
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: then outside of the college experience, right, like once you graduate,

574
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: you move. It's more about like, Okay, I can move

575
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: anywhere the country, anywhere in the world really, and I

576
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: can say if I'm in, if I'm a part of

577
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: this Greek org, I use that as a way to

578
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: find easily find community, right. Yeah, So when I think

579
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: about what that means, like if as an adult moving

580
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: to a different city, and you know how we try

581
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: to figure out that And this is the whole conversation

582
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: for another day of like finding friends as adults, right,

583
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: And it feels like being my my take or my

584
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: perception on is that if you're Greek if you're part

585
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: of a Greek organization, then that makes that process a

586
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: little bit easier. Right. It's about it's about like easing

587
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: of networking. So but I want to shift back a

588
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: little bit to you know, what we were talking about

589
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: earlier about like Terry, what you mentioned around working at

590
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: an HBCU, right, and I think about that experience and

591
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: contrasting it between working at an HBCU versus working at

592
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: a PWI, predominantly white institution, and just the level of community,

593
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: like the instant community, right, there's just a there's something

594
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: just qualitatively different about that experience.

595
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 3: Right.

596
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: Working at a PWI, you seek out and you join

597
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: like the black faculty in staff, council, community, whatever name

598
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: they use for black faculty and staff to gather, right,

599
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: Whereas at an HBCU. That's not to say you don't

600
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: have people from other backgrounds working there, because you do,

601
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: but it's built in, right, and the level of comfort

602
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: and safety, Like I literally recall a specific instance where

603
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: when that previous president had gotten elected right the day

604
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: after and I walk in the department and every single

605
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: one of us was wearing black, every single one of us,

606
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: and we all and nobody had had a conversation with

607
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: one another about it. We all came in wearing black

608
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: like we were at a funeral, because we were all

609
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: in mourning. And it's that level of unspoken community and

610
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: connection that you cannot get anywhere else because it's literally

611
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: righting your department if you're at a PWY. It's more like, well,

612
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: I got a call, I got to send out a

613
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: text message or an email thread to the folks because

614
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: we all are scattered, and so for us to all

615
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: know like we like, there's all this extra level of

616
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: stuff that has to happen, right Whereas at the end,

617
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: I can only speak from my experience, right, But just

618
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: like that type of engagement, like that connection you can't

619
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: get anywhere else.

620
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to consider because we too are black people

621
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 3: in America, like identify people in America. You're going into

622
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 3: the classrooms with your students who are having similar experiences.

623
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: How you stand up and I'm getting read of the

624
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: lecture on social psychology, But I'm not going to address

625
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: the gloom in the way at part on right business

626
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 3: as usual. Yeah, we're just gonna act like it didn't happen.

627
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: We're just gonna act like, yeah, no, we're not the

628
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 3: George Floyd stuff. Yes, with the handful of black students,

629
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 3: the black handful of black males who managed to get

630
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 3: into a university as as supposed to in prison, be

631
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: filtered into the prison industrial complex. Not have a conversation

632
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: about it. We're gonna talk about statistics in a novas.

633
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 3: That's that's what we're going to talk about. The notion

634
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 3: that our collective reality is ever present. The collective reality

635
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 3: is ever present. So if I'm stumping down the hallway

636
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: because something crazy has happened in our collective world, then

637
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 3: that's going to be the foundation of whatever conversation is

638
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 3: that we're going to have. There's other stuff, we're going

639
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: to place the content on top of it. But the

640
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 3: reality is that if I can't access to learning because

641
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 3: I am having a racialized Trump traumatic experience that I'm

642
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 3: trying to process, I need for somebody to actually be

643
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 3: able to validate that that's happening to me right now,

644
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 3: and my world is going to have to center around

645
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: that right now. Yes, you're not generally going to get

646
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 3: that at the primarily white institutions unless you have some

647
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 3: of us who you know, who kind of make the

648
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Speaker 3: sacrifice to be in those particular places specifically to service

649
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: our students. But other than that, yeah, no, yeah, yes, yes,

650
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: the sacrificial lands, the sacrificial land. Yeah, but it's a

651
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 3: reality that I mean, you get to talk about what

652
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 3: it really is. And I've gotten to a place, honestly,

653
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 3: you know, I kind of past sugar goat and stuff.

654
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 3: Because if some folks got some issues with what doctor

655
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: Boodhs said and she expressed such and such, go talk

656
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: to the vita and you go check it out. If

657
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: you got some issues with my credentials or whatever, then

658
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: you need to go look at the paperwork. Go look

659
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 3: at the paperwork. But as long as I'm doing what

660
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 3: it is that I'm supposed to be doing, don't come

661
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 3: approach me about how I'm doing it. Because I have

662
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 3: a certain level of autonomy that allows me to be

663
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 3: able to shape my pedagogy to give my students what

664
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Speaker 3: they need in a way that's going to make it

665
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Speaker 3: the most valuable and applicable for them.

666
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: You beg go ahead, John, I get ready to tell me.

667
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 3: I can't talk about what's going to come on a.

668
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 4: Yah, Tamney, is there anything that we didn't cover that

669
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 4: you would definitely want someone to know who is considering

670
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 4: either attending an HBCU, working at one, or even encouraging

671
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 4: their child to attend one.

672
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Speaker 5: Anything else, go.

673
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 3: See, go see I have been, and y'all know now.

674
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 6: Homecoming ooh oh O m g listen, we all know

675
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 6: to a black go to an HBCU homecomy go to

676
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 6: an HBCU homeguming and you want to see generations of

677
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 6: oceans of black people.

678
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: It is the family reunion for a reason. I see

679
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 3: people actually me and my brother are. Me and my

680
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: brother are actually preparing to ride the zoo peradiction, right,

681
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 3: and so we're just kind of talking about our throws

682
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 3: and stuff. And like last year, I must have had

683
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 3: a bajillion Gramlin coconuts and just all kinds. And when

684
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 3: I saw people I had to know you from Adam,

685
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 3: all people, young people, babies with Gramblin paraphernalia on. It

686
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: was just like, oh, it's an immediate connection. I see

687
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: people all over the world. What you know about that G?

688
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: What you know about that G. So there there are

689
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 3: things about the experience, the cultural experience, that will pull

690
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 3: you in. There's reasons why you can't find them at

691
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 3: a park. During Howard's homecoming in BC. There are reasons

692
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: why people flocking to schools like North Carolina and A

693
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: and T for homecoming. It's reasons why people up the

694
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 3: street at Prairie View making so much noise. You can

695
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 3: hear them down two ninety making all of the noise

696
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 3: down the street. And that's not And not all of

697
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: them are alone, right, not all of them are alone.

698
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: So the significance of these particular experiences makes a difference.

699
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: And now you can go to you can go to

700
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 3: U of ahe homecoming if you want to pay attention

701
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 3: to what happens during the football game at the well,

702
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 3: most of the primary league white institutions, folks get up

703
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 3: and go to the concession stand during during halftime, No, ma'am, No, ma'am.

704
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: Everybody fighting and scrambling to get to the front. Not

705
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: have time.

706
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: You might not watch any of the football game itself.

707
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 3: Your halftime you might not show. Yes, yes, but that's

708
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: the reality. And I don't think that people recognize that

709
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 3: our historically black institutions have they have laid the foundation

710
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: that is allowed for the development I mean, like, sure

711
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 3: there's social stratification across you know, black communities, but the

712
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 3: development of black middle and upper class. The HBCUs have

713
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 3: they laid the foundation for that. That's been the avenue

714
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: for that. Because what I also recognized being in Louisiana

715
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Speaker 3: coming from a blue ribbon high school, there were you know,

716
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Speaker 3: the girls who came from prep. It was like, you know,

717
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: it was kind of car blunch. There were a lot

718
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 3: of us who were able to just kind of go

719
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 3: anywhere they wanted to in terms of being able to

720
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 3: go to school, right because I mean it was just

721
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: like some of the top performing students. But I recognized

722
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 3: that there were some schools in Louisiana that would take

723
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: students in, but the black students didn't graduate. Yes, or

724
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 3: you would be there for a million years, all kind

725
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 3: of switching majors, taking random courses, not passing stuff, and

726
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 3: by the time to get out, you got almost two

727
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: hundred credits with a bachelor's degree in matt in general

728
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 3: studies with no guidance, no guidance. So in terms of

729
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 3: the difference that this stuff makes, I mean, we have

730
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: people who are invested and guess what, like I said,

731
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: unless you're connected to the right folks in the right places,

732
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 3: you're not there because of the money there to make

733
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 3: a difference. So the difference that we make is not

734
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 3: only based in our pedagogy, the way that we present

735
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: the information, the context so that students understand that. For

736
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 3: our business students, you need to understand what being a

737
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 3: business person in these particular entities it's going to look

738
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: like for you black man with blocks, what it's going

739
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: to look like for you black women would have faded

740
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. You're trying to go to medical

741
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: school and you're trying to get in, you're taking the

742
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 3: MCAT and you're trying to get these internships or the

743
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 3: rest of the other kind of stuff, and your first

744
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 3: name is Malik or rashidare yeah yeah or head wrap

745
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: come on right, right, right, So there's an opportunity for us.

746
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 3: And I've had other people to tell me that when

747
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 3: they've engaged students who graduated from HBCUs as opposed to

748
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 3: students who graduated from PWIS and the same context, that

749
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: the HBCU students do have a bit of a different

750
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 3: kind of confidence and swag about them because it's something

751
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 3: that's cultivated there. So even if you come out and

752
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 3: ended up doing something all together different, you think about it.

753
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 3: The confidence to be able to switch make adjustments when

754
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 3: something doesn't work has to come from you believing that

755
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 3: you have the capacity to be successful at something. This

756
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: didn't work, then I can switch in there. If there

757
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 3: isn't a place for me, then we're more inclined to

758
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 3: be able to find or create one. So go see,

759
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: Go see, and you talk to the people, Go to

760
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: the event, homecoming, go to the football game. Oh yeah, I.

761
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 4: Got sleeving propositions there. Now, Doctor Money, you already know

762
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 4: what's coming next. I have some new listeners that may

763
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 4: not know what's about to go down to lady. Because

764
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 4: we recognize, appreciate, and celebrate the multifaceted woman, and we

765
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 4: believe that it's okay to be classy and ratchet. You

766
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 4: can still be elegant and dance to strip club music.

767
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 4: Doctor Moody, we want to invite you back to the

768
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 4: oh you clatchet segment? So do you take on the challenge?

769
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: I absolutely do, yes.

770
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: All right, all right, all right, let's do it.

771
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, all right. And so.

772
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: The first question, what's the most embarrassing thing that you've

773
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: done to get a CRUSH's attention?

774
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 3: Can I tell y'all that I went to bremlin with

775
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 3: the high school boyfriend graduated from GANDMA to high school.

776
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 3: It was so that that that wasn't. Yeah, but I'm

777
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 3: embarrassed easy. So I don't know, because I'll strike up

778
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 3: a conversation. I don't you know, I'll say something about

779
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: your shoes, your shoulders, Okay, let me find out. I'll

780
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: ask you who you got them eyes from, what you

781
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: got that? Who's responsible for that smile? Because you need

782
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 3: to call them at right now and tell them to

783
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 3: thank you. Yeah, so I don't But you know, the

784
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: thing is it's it's authentic, because if it's aligned, then

785
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: you can't there's no follower. You got to kind of

786
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: figure out kind of how to carry the conversation. But

787
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 3: if there's something that grabs my attention, I ask them

788
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 3: braces or no braces? Because your teeth are beautiful. I'm

789
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: trying to understand what were you're born with the teeth

790
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 3: or did somebody pay for them? I'm confused. Why do

791
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 3: you need those lashes? You don't need those lashes. You

792
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 3: don't need them. Why do you need those lashes? I

793
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 3: got on maybe lane, but look at your lashes. You

794
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: don't need those lashes. It's not fair, and I'm upset,

795
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 3: So yeah I haven't. I can't. Yeah, sadly on em

796
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 3: been hers easy? That was Yeah, those were good.

797
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: I like that.

798
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 5: What about this?

799
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 4: What is the sexiest item that you own? We had

800
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 4: a juicy one last time. They got to tell us

801
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 4: after the show. So what is yours?

802
00:42:59,280 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 5: Doctor Mooney?

803
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 3: All I'm gonna say is, there's this dress. Oh it's

804
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 3: a dress. Okay, Okay, it's a dress. All right, there's

805
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: this there's this dress and then the shoes they go

806
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: with the dress. Yeah. I think it's almost illegal. Yeah, yeah,

807
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 3: it should be legal. Yeah, but there's a dress. There's

808
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 3: a dress. Okay, there's a dress.

809
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 5: I can only imagine nothing.

810
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a dress. It's loan in the right places,

811
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 3: high in the right places. Yeah, there's a dress. There's

812
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 3: a dress. And you know, we know that it's not

813
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 3: so much what you wear about how you wear it exactly. Yeah,

814
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 3: there's exactly Well.

815
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: When you wear that dress, you be sure you share

816
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: it on the ground, be sure.

817
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, you.

818
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 4: Know, uh huh yeahs.

819
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: So what do you love, mo about yourself?

820
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: I consider myself to be a constellation of mismatches, Like

821
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 3: I am the consummate oxymoron. There's so much about me

822
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 3: that does not match. But I love that I was

823
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: divinely created to be all of that at one time,

824
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 3: and so I love that I've embraced that, and that

825
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 3: I am excited and happy about the fact that I

826
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 3: can sing with Tasha Cobbs, Leonard and Kiara shared in

827
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 3: the praise in worship, and then I could come over

828
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 3: here and take over cash money for the nine nine years. Yep, Yeah,

829
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it I can have I

830
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 3: can sit down and have conversations with my daddy about

831
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 3: whatever the Saints are doing to self sabotage themselves in

832
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: the first half of the last game of the goddog

833
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 3: On playoffs if we don't get it together and cut

834
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: and throw papers and stuff at the television. But I

835
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 3: can also sit down at the grandest table with the

836
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 3: most intellectual diplomats, particularly in my discipline, and have conversations

837
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 3: about why we need to be concerned about the psychological

838
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 3: emotional wellness of black identified folks. So it's I think

839
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 3: I believe I'm all of the reaches, I'm all of

840
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: the outliers at one time, and I recognize that that's

841
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 3: by divine design. Took me a long time to be

842
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: able to let go and be able to make sense

843
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 3: out of all of these pieces. But now that am

844
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: I kind of able to see the bigger piece of

845
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 3: the puzzle that it's all intentional. I am so excited

846
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: about all of those little pieces. And I feel like,

847
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 3: you know, are the people who can see my dimensions

848
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 3: in value that that's beautiful and those for those who don't,

849
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 3: I recognize I'm not everybody's brand of beautiful and that's cute.

850
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 3: But for those who value it high five, I do too.

851
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 3: So you can kind of stick around and other ones

852
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: can keep it moving.

853
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 1: Oh oh so you classic?

854
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

855
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 5: And then I love it?

856
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

857
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 4: Now do Where can our listeners find you and learn

858
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 4: more about you and your work and just get connected

859
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 4: with you?

860
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 3: This is so amazing. You all can connect with me.

861
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 3: I am online www dot doctor Janismoody dot com. That

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