1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: production of My Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague Noel is not here today, 6 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: but he will be returning very soon. They called me Ben. 7 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: We are joined as always with our super producer Alexis 8 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 10 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. This is our strange news. 11 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: We do it at the top of the week. Fellow 12 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: conspiracy realist, longtime listeners, you know about this and Matt's 13 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: I don't know what your experience is, uh internally when 14 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: we're working on strange news, but I've noticed often they 15 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: seem to, perhaps by coincidence, if coincidence exists, they seem 16 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 1: to align, often three disparate stories aligning into a common theme. 17 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: And today's episode, in a very weird way, is about employment. 18 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: The common theme is about jobs, and it's not in 19 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: the boring or super depressing way that you hear about 20 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: in the news so often. You know you've you've seen, Matt, 21 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: I know you and Doc and I have seen this, 22 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: but everybody's probably seen the various sides of the employment 23 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: debate going on here in the US right Well, yeah, 24 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: and we can see this working with the strike that 25 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: was supposed to happen within the film industry today. But 26 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: I believe correct me if I'm wrong here, but I 27 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: believe as we're recording this, there is no strike happening 28 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: right now because terms have they've come to terms, not yet, 29 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: no strike has happened yet. But the the the two 30 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: organizations at play did come to some terms. I think 31 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: they got some deal, but I don't want to I 32 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: don't want to call out any of the specific people 33 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: I've been talking with regarding this, but but didn't get 34 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 1: everything they wanted. IOTSY didn't from a mp T p uh. 35 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 1: Those are those are the that's the group of producers here. 36 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: And the question right now still is will iotsy? Except 37 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: what has been offered? And if you look at what's 38 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 1: been offered, it's stuff that a lot of people would 39 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: just kind of expect in any other job or industry, 40 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They're not getting like Faberge 41 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: eggs or magic wands. Or anything like that. They're they're 42 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: just asking to get over time and they have to 43 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: work over time and to get you know, guaranteed time 44 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: off work, so people aren't in physical danger trying to 45 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: drive to and from their work sites. So that's that's 46 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: still happening. That's something a lot of us think about. 47 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: But we also here in the West think about things 48 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: like the short handedness of so many but what are 49 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: unfairly called service level or retail level positions. Right recently, 50 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: a couple of a couple of companies made the news 51 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: because they were so short staffed they asked their executive 52 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: level folks to get in the trenches and actually cook 53 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: some food. Did you hear about that one? Oh? Yeah, 54 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: And that kind of thing is happening in the airline industry, 55 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: a lot of the food service industry. As you said, Uh, 56 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: it's it's happening across the board where there staff shortages 57 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: because people don't want to put up with having to 58 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: do so much work for really so little in return, 59 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: while also risking their lives. At this point, and for 60 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: as long as this curve pandemic continues or before it 61 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: evolves into another one, yeah, then then of course there's 62 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: also a labor shortage cause that a lot of people 63 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: don't talk about, and that's that in the U. S Loane, 64 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people have died due to covid 65 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: UH and these people, many of them would have also 66 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: had a job or something. So there we're going in 67 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of different directions here. But we I think 68 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: we both were surprised to find that without intention, which 69 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: is another magical concept we have, we have made a 70 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: strange news for you today, folks, that is about employment 71 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: from all sorts of angles. Hopefully too that you will 72 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: not expect the first one. As stute listeners, you've noticed 73 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: we've been peppering in some occult phrasing, a little bit 74 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: of a little bit of magic foreshadowing. Here the first, 75 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: our first story today has nothing to do really with 76 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: the US. I think it takes us down to christ Church. 77 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: It does, and it is with a heavy heart I 78 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: read you the following headline, The A V Club reports 79 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: christ Church fires official city Wizard, leaving itself dangerously open 80 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: to dragon attacks. Now I'm reading. I'm reading from this 81 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: one because they have the best writing on it, and 82 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read you the next line here because 83 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: it really does. It just warms my heart and it 84 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: makes me set at the same time, and it's a weird, 85 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: wonderful feeling. Christ Church, New Zealand has just made a 86 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: terrible mistake. It has fired its official city wizard, a 87 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: man named Ian Brackenberry Channel, and now finds itself undefended 88 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: against attacks by magical armies of dragons, goblins, and most 89 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: dangerous of all, outraged bands of rogue magicians led by 90 00:05:54,800 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: Brackenbury Channel himself. Yes, yeah, heavy ways, the head that 91 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: wears the pointed hat. In this case, he's known as 92 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: the Wizard of New Zealand and for a while that 93 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: was his title. Right, This was actually a contract he 94 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: had and you know what, I want to go out 95 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: on a limb or shall he say a broomstick here, 96 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: Matt and say that. I don't think he was in 97 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: it for the money. I think Channel was motivated by 98 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: something beyond financial requirements, because he wasn't making that much, right, 99 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: it was only making about sixteen thousand a US Australia 100 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: in a year, right, that's corrected, quit about US dollars 101 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: a year. I guess we can just jump right in. 102 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: We're talking about this not because it's stuff they don't 103 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: want you to know. We're talking about it because there 104 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: really was an official Wizard of New Zealand for twenty 105 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: three years on the books, getting paid to do wizarding 106 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: stuff for the country. Um, And we were going to 107 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: talk about the official piece of paper that was given 108 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: to him by the Prime Minister and I think what 109 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: was it nineteen Yeah, because he's been active for a while, 110 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: for two decades. Oh yeah, he's been in christ Church 111 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: for a long time out there in New Zealand around 112 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: the specific square where he would basically soapbox to anyone 113 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: and everyone they came by, and he would preach his 114 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: particular brand of contrarianism. They was meant to be funny, 115 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: it was meant to be thought provoking and you know, 116 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: stir the pot a little bit um his performance art 117 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: and he's he's been he's been called a living piece 118 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: of art. I believe is the phrase or a I 119 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: think that's what it is. He's a national treasure, a 120 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: living piece of art. All the he's got these accolades 121 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: on his drive is license. His name is Wizard. The 122 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess not anymore. I don't know how 123 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: that's gonna work when they they take his funding away. 124 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: According to the folks who run christ Church, he will 125 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: get his last payment in December of this year and 126 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: then he will officially be the Wizard no more. Yeah. 127 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: He he has such a storied history too, because apparently 128 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: he's very well known in the area. In the seventies 129 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: and sixties. Nineteen seventies and sixties he was the resident 130 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: Wizard at the University of New South Wales and I 131 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: think was the National Gallery of Victoria that called him 132 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: a living work of art. There was one quote, man, 133 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,119 Speaker 1: I thought you would like. It was an old Framlin 134 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: Hammion or o F magazine. In one of their pieces, 135 00:08:50,320 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: he is described as quote politically, morally, aesthetically and intellectually incorrect. Yeah. Yeah, 136 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: because he had these exploits were apparently he uh, he 137 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: would do things when he was in that cathedral square 138 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: that he was turning into like his soapbox area or 139 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: his ranting grounds, you could call it. He was threatened 140 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: with arrest in the beginning, but he kept doing these 141 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: outrageous things to get around the accusations or the charges 142 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: against him. Like he would speak wearing a gas mask 143 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: so no one could hear him. He would speak in 144 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: made up languages. He would just pretend to speak but 145 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: not say anything, kind of miming. And then uh he 146 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: one time also spoken French and used the blackboard. It's 147 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: very very strange part of the world, you know what 148 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: I mean. Well, it's it's performance are And I gotta say, 149 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: I love it, like I love this concept. He's quite 150 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: a smart fellow. Went went to school in several places 151 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: across Europe and studied psychology and I forget his other 152 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: he has another sociology, sociology. Yeah, and so I mean 153 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: he's got a lot going on up here. He is 154 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: like I don't know this person, this wizard, but he 155 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: has this contrarian thing and I think that's a lot 156 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: of a big part of his philosophy and what he 157 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: speaks about. And he uses this contrarianism. Uh. He wields 158 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: it well, uh to to kind of jab people where 159 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: it hurts. So he got on a bit of a 160 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: men's rights trip, I would say for quite a while there. Uh, 161 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: And it was reported on gosh I think starting in 162 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: the early two thousand's. You can actually see YouTube videos 163 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: of him being interviewed by various morning shows in the 164 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: US as well as New Zealand television shows, and he 165 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: says things that you probably don't want to be saying. Ah, 166 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: you don't want to be thinking them, but you probably 167 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: don't want to be saying them on television. Not a 168 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: great idea. Um. That is apparently what has led to 169 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: him being let go that that need to kind of 170 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: push the envelope, let's say, based on his beliefs. Yeah, 171 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: I agree, because we can have fun going back and 172 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: forth with the specific escapades of eccentricity right throughout his history. 173 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: There's no shortage of those, matt Before we get to 174 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: the where the Wizarding Rubber really hits the road here, 175 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: I think it's important for us to say that he 176 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: seemed to be anti authoritarian to the point where or 177 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: anti just contrarian in general, to the point where he 178 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: wanted to be a source of controversy and perhaps at 179 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 1: times didn't care what that controversy might be. There was 180 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: a book called Seizures of Youth the sixties in Australia, 181 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: and the authors there say that he got his first 182 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: post as the Wizard of that university just because the 183 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: uh the faculty wanted to defuse the conflict. They had 184 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: with him over him getting sacked and getting fired from 185 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: his PhD program, while they also would provide a non 186 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: threatening focus for student activities on campus. So this guy 187 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: is like, from his mind, he's gotten out of these 188 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: sorts of situations before. But yeah, this seems different also 189 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: because he wasn't just being like a fitter d D 190 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: wizard re is fun type of dude. He said some 191 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: really unfortunately, really mundane and really dumb stuff that is 192 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: that is correct, and and just to stay on what 193 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: you're talking about, Ben, what he would do if he 194 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: had to. If you have a problem with him, there's 195 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: a conflict that you have with the Wizard, he will 196 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: bring his step ladder, his very large step ladder. He'll 197 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: set it down in a public place where you can't 198 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: stop him from talking and just speak and stay there 199 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: and then leave and come back the next day and 200 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: just keep doing it. I have a feeling that's why 201 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: a lot of things came to him got and got done. 202 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: Apparently the folks that were in christ Church didn't like 203 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: him hanging out in the square all the time, having 204 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: all these large crowds gathering around him and kind of 205 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 1: taking away really from everything else. That's going on down 206 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: there from the historic part of christ Church. But then 207 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: they just kind of gave in because he and his 208 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: flatter never left. Yeah, he had this kind of idea 209 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: that if you stayed where you were, if you didn't 210 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: give an inch, and if the quote unquote territory that 211 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: you appeared to be protecting was so esoteric and maybe 212 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: not really applicable to the day to day lives of 213 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: a lot of people, that they would eventually just say, 214 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: we have more worldly fish to fry and go, We'll 215 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: let this guy ramble on. And then eventually, at least 216 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: in Christchurch, he became kind of kind of a fixture, 217 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's it's there's a meme 218 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: that was making around a little while ago where I 219 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: say meme. It was just somebody talking on the internet, 220 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: which is its own public square, and they pointed out 221 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: something I thought was so astute. Everybody has a weird 222 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: like everybody, every city, at least past a certain size, 223 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: has its collection of eccentric public characters, like we had 224 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: Baton Bob here in Atlanta. We've also got the Iron 225 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: Man if you're ever lucky enough to see him. There's 226 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: a guy who made like his own iron Man suit, 227 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: iron Man inspired exo skeleton. These eccentric characters, when they're 228 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: not doing harm to the public, are actually one of 229 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: those things that makes living in a place beautiful and unique. 230 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: That's are set up because became different. Yeah, it really 231 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: did become different. Ben, Why don't wantn't we take a 232 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: quick break here from a sponsor and then we'll come 233 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: right back and finish the story out and we're back, Ben, 234 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to before we say what he said. They 235 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: got him essentially canceled and had had to leave his 236 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: post as Wizard of Christ Church slash all of New Zealand. 237 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: Let's talk about this nineteen nine message he got from 238 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: the Prime Minister of New Zealand. I'm gonna read this 239 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: to you, says dear Wizard. This is the Prime Minister 240 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: writing to the Wizard. I enjoyed bumping into you at 241 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: the Christ Church Arts Center last Saturday morning. It occurs 242 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: to me that you are currently the Wizard of christ 243 00:15:55,280 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: Church exclusively as a loyal christ Church MP. I am 244 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: pleased about that, but as Prime Minister, I am concerned 245 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: that your wizardry is not officially at the disposal of 246 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: the entire nation. I suggest therefore that you should urgently 247 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: consider my suggestion that you become the Wizard of New Zealand, 248 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: Antarctica and relevant offshore areas. You will appreciate that this 249 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: will entail becoming a national treasure, and no doubt there 250 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: will be implications in the area of spells, blessings, curses 251 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: and other supernatural matters that are beyond the competence of 252 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: mere prime ministers. And this is uh you said, right, yes, 253 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: this is after a series of like public events. Uh. 254 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: Just I think two years later is when he gets 255 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: the driver's license award. Well, I call it award, a 256 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: customized award that said you know, wizard. The as you 257 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: described earlier, he also had done stuff like he tried 258 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: to resign in four because he blamed a miscast spell 259 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: on the loss of of a local rugby team or 260 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: the Canterbury rugby team, And and the city council and 261 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: the people at christ Church had a wizard Thawn and 262 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: established a wizard trust to help him continue in the 263 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: performance of his duties. So I know, the guy who 264 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: hates bureaucracy, bureaucracy seems to be a big fan of him, right, 265 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think what we're doing here is we're 266 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: establishing like he also got he also got special. He 267 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: was given something called the Newman Award back in eighty nine, right, 268 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: just because of what was phrased as his tour his 269 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: service in the New Zealand tourism industry. Yeah, so people 270 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: people loved him and he dude in the early nineties, 271 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: I think nine three, he performed a series of rain 272 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: dances for New Zealand, and I think two out of 273 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: three were effective. The second one it started pouring rain 274 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: immediately after he got splashed with water as a part 275 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: of this ritual and then the skies opened up. I mean, 276 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: it's just coincidence. Uh, And we didn't need to talk 277 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: about he got. He has a freaking Queen's Service Medal 278 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: from Queen Elizabeth. Oh that's right, Yeah, we're talking about 279 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: this off air. Yeah, the dude in two thousand nine 280 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: was awarded that the Queen's Service Medal. He established fact 281 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: she does. Merlin, you know, could not be reached for 282 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: comment with a grouch to this, but I do have 283 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: a black mirror on hand to scry from, so hopefully 284 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,239 Speaker 1: we will will make that work a little later. All right. 285 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: So people obviously liked him he was well known. He 286 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: was just kind of an oddity. But he said some things. 287 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: He went on a comedy show, at least according to 288 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: the Guardian and what else stuff dot co, dot and 289 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: Z and all of these other places. They say that 290 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: he said some things specifically about it was a joke. 291 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: I believe. I can't speak to him. I believe he 292 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: made a joke about hitting women. And this is really bad. 293 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: I'm going to read Should I read it? Then you should? Yeah, 294 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: just just to be on the safe side. This is 295 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: this is the quote that was the impetus for the 296 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: public to turn against him. This also is a description 297 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: of description things that are generally thought to be objectionable. Correct. 298 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: Here is the quote he says, I love women. I 299 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: forgive them all the time. I've never struck one yet. 300 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: Never strike a woman because they bruised too easily, is 301 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: the first thing. And they'll tell the neighbors and their friends, 302 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: and then you're in big trouble. Whoops, you're in big trouble. Yeah. 303 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: So this so, here's the idea. If this guy is 304 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: kind of purposely being controversial for most of his you know, 305 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: most most of his time as a public a girl 306 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: which very much is is he also is this like 307 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: a foray into stand up comedy? Is this one of 308 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: those like supposed to be a nod a wink you 309 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: know edgy Netflix special type comments? What well see? I 310 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: went back through YouTube. You can find interviews with this 311 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: guy going back decades seriously on morning shows all over 312 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: the place. There's one from Good Morning America. If it 313 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: says two thousand nine is when it was posted, but 314 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: that's when it was posted to YouTube. I can't find 315 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: the actual title of when this clip was made, but 316 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: it's him speaking when he's quite a bit younger and 317 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: making jokes about the same kind of thing men's rights 318 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 1: specifically is what he's saying. Um. And then you can 319 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: see later clips of him from the past ten years 320 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: where he's doing the same kind of spiel. I would 321 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: recommend everyone's search Wizard of New Zealand feminists on YouTube 322 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: and you will see his I guess it is comedy bent, 323 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: like his brand of trying to be funny. Uh but yeah, 324 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: and in any case, just not it's not the right 325 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: thing to do. It's a way to cast a vanishing 326 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: spell on yourself within society right now. So he did it. 327 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: He also said he consider himself a provocateur, and he 328 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: said that not to be clear, the guy is the 329 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: guys may be canceled in the court of public opinion, 330 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: but he's not going up for you know, charges of 331 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: domestic violence or something like that. He said. The council, 332 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: I think the Guardian article you mentioned quotes this. The 333 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: council had decided to stop paying him because he did 334 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: not fit the quote unquote vibes of the city. Yeah. Yeah, 335 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: but if you're still interested in the Wonderful Wizard of 336 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: christ Church, you can head on over to the christ 337 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: Church here Ritage Festival. It's occurring right now until the 338 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: twenty October, which I guess you'll be hearing this around 339 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: the time that it's ending. But if you're in christ Church, 340 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: the Art Center's got you, uh for the next couple 341 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: of days. We'd love to get down there. Someday. We're 342 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: not going to make it in time for this one, 343 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: I think, uh, partially because the flights so long. Oh 344 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: it ends the day this episode comes out. Ben Oh, Okay, 345 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't that be wouldn't that be great if we did 346 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 1: If we did make it to the last part of 347 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: the festival. Well, we'll check our schedules, I think, Matt. 348 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: But if not, then let's let's do try to get 349 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: get down to New Zealand and Australia sooner rather than later. 350 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: That would be fun. So hey, if you live in 351 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: christ Church or New Zealand or anywhere in that area, 352 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: maybe even Australian you know of this person, we'd love 353 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: to get personal accounts from from you. Also, Hey, shouldn't 354 00:22:53,520 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: every country have some kind of supernatural like advisor? Come on, guys, 355 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: we all watched Disney movies, right, Uh? Ronald Ronald Reagan 356 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: made great use of an astrologer. That is a true story. Uh. 357 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:15,479 Speaker 1: The junta that currently controls Myanmar relocated the capital on 358 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: the advice of an astrologer. There are more supernatural advisors 359 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: in government than are generally reported, because it's not you know, 360 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: good optics in a lot of countries. What about on 361 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: Wall Street? Any supernatural stuff happening on Wall Street? There 362 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: are people I have, I have, I have no comment 363 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,479 Speaker 1: to imagine Jonathan Hickman does. But you know, not for 364 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: nothing are there people called wizards of Wall Street? Right? 365 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: Or the even called themselves at times masters of the universe. 366 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: But you have to ask when you get into the 367 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: world of predictive AI and the difference of nanoseconds separating 368 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: you from profit or loss. You have to ask yourself, 369 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: at what point is that not something like the occult, 370 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: which just means hidden And our next story is our 371 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: next story is pivoting to the world of technology, which 372 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: we didn't. Okay, segue by pointing us to Wall Street. There, Matt, 373 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: I thought that was well done. Now we're going to 374 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: the future. It's a future that you and I predicted 375 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: many years ago, and many other people predicted even earlier 376 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: than us. Uh, it is not good news. You should 377 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: not be happy about this. I am not being alarmist. 378 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: You should be uh, doc, please give me an edit here. 379 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: You should be freaked the out because let's talk a 380 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: little bit about robots. Remember we're talking about jobs, right, folks. 381 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: So so there is a robot. It's it's often called 382 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: a robot dog. And you've probably seen footage of this 383 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: if you have been anywhere on the internet in the 384 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: last these several years, these several lunar or these many 385 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: lunar cycles. It's commonly called spot. It's produced by an 386 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: outfit named Boston Dynamics. If you go to Boston Dynamics 387 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: all one word dot com forward slash spot. Right now, 388 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: you will see plenty of footage, plenty of stats and 389 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: specs about this little guy who does look like um 390 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: and awkwardly legged, quadrupedal headless dog. That's what it looks like. 391 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: It looks like. It's described as an agile mobile robot 392 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: that navigates drain with unprecedented mobility, allowing you to automate 393 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: routine inspection task and data capture safely, accurately, and frequently 394 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: so that you remember when you and I talked about 395 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: this guy. He's got the abilities to carry different payloads. Uh. 396 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: He's also the agility just keeps getting better and better. 397 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: You can see people push it over and then it 398 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: just does like these parkour flips and it's back up 399 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: like it's in your favorite you know, martial arts film. Uh. 400 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: It's also faster than it looks like it should be. Yeah. 401 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: This uh, this model type has come a long way 402 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: since they began developing these weird You remember this man. 403 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: We were making videos early on and Boston Dynamics was 404 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: developing this thing, and it used to have to be 405 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: chained up, you know, to the power source and the 406 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: kind they walk a little ways, and it was learning 407 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 1: how to understand terrain. And now this thing if you 408 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: look at the latest models, like you're talking about the 409 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: videos where somebody literally kicks and it does the flip dude, 410 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: it's the agility. He is terrifying. And Matrix four is 411 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: coming out. It's a brave new world. But what I 412 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: like people to do if they're on this website now, 413 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: we're absolutely right, is evolved by leaps and bounds. If 414 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: you scroll all the way down past where it says 415 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: here are some of our customers, which include places like 416 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Uh, you go down and you'll 417 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: see something that says industries, and the first industries will 418 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: see our construction that makes sense. Oil and gas also 419 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: makes sense, power and utilities and mining, both of which 420 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: makes sense. There's a thing there's a little tab you 421 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: can hit that says more industries, and then where you 422 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: see manufacturing, so you see entertainment. That's where you see 423 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: the research, and then public safety. Now you can't click 424 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: on any of these industries because the student listeners. You 425 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: might have noticed that one of those is going to 426 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: be called virtual However, vaguely phrased public safety public safety. 427 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: Now I can understand what they mean when it comes 428 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: to like if you imagine a bomb sniffing robot or 429 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: whatever they However, the industry refers to those machines, right 430 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: that go up and have sensors on them to detect 431 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: whether or not there's actually an explosive device that makes sense. 432 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: That's public safety. Is that what we're talking about? You know? Uh, publicly? Yes, 433 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: that is the kind of safety they're talking about, the 434 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: public public safety, the public version of public safety. So 435 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: why are we saying the public version of public safety 436 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: as though there's more than one definition of play? Here 437 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: will pause for word from our sponsors, and in less 438 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: spot bust into our respective studios. The three of us 439 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: are going to return and tell you exactly what we 440 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: mean and why you should be freaked out. What's going 441 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: to do here? Boy? And we've returned. So one of 442 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: the things that we talked about early on in the 443 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: days of this sort of mobile robotics, uh, this this 444 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: push which included a lot of other things, a lot 445 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: of other foreign factors you would find in nature, right, 446 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: bipedal organisms, uh, the human shaped or or things that 447 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: are more caterpillar shaped right, millipede shaped, all of which 448 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: offer certain advantages. The research is very important because the 449 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: mobility of these creatures, these machines. Rather first, it's very 450 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: tempting to you know, uh, do some version vanthrom pomorphizing them. 451 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: But these uh, these designs, these form factors can be 452 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: enormously advantageous for the exploration of environments that are tough 453 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: for human beings, like the moon, like Mars, like the 454 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: bottom of the ocean, places like that. It's very, very 455 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,479 Speaker 1: expensive and in no small way dangerous to get actual 456 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: humans there. If humans weren't so self obsessed, it's fair 457 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: to say that humans would have just done the math 458 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: and said, hey, you know, we'll just stay here. But 459 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: of course, being human, they did not, because they've got 460 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: to be you know, it doesn't matter how many other 461 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: things are on Mars before a person is on Mars. 462 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: That's kind of issue. And you know, I get it, 463 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: But but we predicted the potential problems, the potential disasters 464 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: of having something like this. One of the first things 465 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: that I recall you saying about it, Matt, was that 466 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: this was inevitably leading us into a world maybe far away, 467 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: maybe not so far away, where autautomous vehicles became the 468 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: norm in warfare, and not just in warfare, but maybe 469 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: in law enforcement, maybe in any kind of conflict. That 470 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: is the kind of public safety that people have been 471 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: warning about. That definition, not the public version of public 472 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: safety that's on the Boston Dynamics website. But what happens 473 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: when a pack of these things rolls up and they're 474 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: sicked on a group of people, for lack of a 475 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: better word, those people can't really what can they hope 476 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: the thing as a camera on it and say no, 477 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: this is a wedding party, not a group of terrorists. Yeah, 478 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: that's that's what we were worried about, folks a while back, 479 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,959 Speaker 1: and now it's happened. Just give you the headline for 480 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: let's go to futurism dot com. Oh, they strapped a 481 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: sniper rifle to a robot dog. It's what experts have 482 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: been warning about for years. God, what a head life, dude, 483 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: beautiful headlines today. All you journalists and writers out there, 484 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah. I don't know if you guys switched 485 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: dice coffee or what, but it is working. So this 486 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: is very much a real problem. The thing that is 487 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,719 Speaker 1: on it is called a SPUR Special Purpose unmanned Rifle 488 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: and it was demonstrated at the Association of the U. 489 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: S Army's Annual Convention in Washington, d C, just just 490 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: earlier this week. And it it is a sniper rifle 491 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: mounted on this quadruped robot. You can see you can 492 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: see many photographs of it n C video as well. 493 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: The SPUR, that specific firearm is a the components overall, 494 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: it's a ten shot rifle, a thirty power zoom. Right now, 495 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: people are quick to say, look, this is an AI, 496 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: this isn't. This is unmanned, but it's not autonomous. A 497 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: human operator has to command at the fire similar to 498 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: the way a human operator would run a drone. That's 499 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: how now. Yeah, it's like the rifle that was mounted 500 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: in the back of that truck bed from a story 501 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: not long ago where it came at the Massaw it 502 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: assassinated in Iranian nuclear scientists where they were not in country, 503 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: but they were operating a sniper rifle through control. Yeah, 504 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: and this sniper rifle is capable. We can get into 505 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: the specs of it, but it's capable of engaging a 506 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: target that is as far away as three quarters of 507 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: a mile. So how fast can you run? Folks? God, 508 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: is this seeing an actual Boston Dynamics one or is 509 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: it one that is like based on that they're working 510 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: they're working with I think the Ghost Robotics Vision sixty 511 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 1: quadruped and it's coming from an outfit called Sword. Okay, okay, 512 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: got it? So this this is actually this is not 513 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: the Boston Dynamic spot. That's a really good point. Ghost 514 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: Robotics is based in Philadelphia. But if you look at 515 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: their form factors, they have a lot in common, and 516 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: by necessity they're gonna have a lot of the same mechanisms. 517 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: It looks almost identical, right right, kind of like Tycho 518 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: super bricks and legos or whatever. But the Division sixty 519 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: robots were spotted in a US Air Force exercise in UH, 520 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: so they are going to they're being considered for active 521 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: deployment some degree. This rifle, this tin shot rifle, is 522 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: chambered inside uh six point five millimeter creed More. The 523 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: creed More is known for being a kind of a 524 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: hit what you see around at longer ranges in some ways, 525 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: so they contrast it to things like the point three 526 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 1: oh eight Winchester. But the idea is that the scope 527 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: which is thermal also will help a human operator be 528 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: able to clearly make a decision on whether or not 529 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 1: to fire or engage, and that that misses a lot 530 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: of variables. I mean. Oh, also, I should say this 531 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 1: Air Force thing which was at Nellis Air Force Base, 532 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: both Spot and the Vision sixty were together, like, they 533 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: were both involved in the exercise, and both of them 534 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: can do a lot of the same things. It's a 535 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: Pepsi Cooke comparison that might be even better in climb staircases. 536 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: They can do their park war flips if they get 537 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: knocked over. They can both carry the same amount of payload. 538 00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: That's a little more than thirty pounds. Uh, they both have. 539 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 1: You're both not super duper fast. They're just faster than 540 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: they look like they should be because they're kind of awkward, 541 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: you know. But eventually Ghost Robotics is saying, the Vision 542 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: sixty will be able to go, We'll be able to 543 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: sprint at six point seven one miles per hour. Why 544 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: does that matter because a human who is not who 545 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: same bolts can run about eight miles an hour, And 546 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 1: the the fastest any sprinter has ever run documented was 547 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,240 Speaker 1: the same bolt who just for like a very small 548 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: amount of time was running in about twenty seven and 549 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: a half miles an hour. Oh my gosh. So that 550 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: might make you say, hey, I'll be okay, I'll be 551 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: able to, you know, stay safe from these robotic attack 552 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: dogs if I hang with Hussain Bolt. But no, the 553 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: same Bolt is the worst person for you to hang 554 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: with in that situation. It's like they'll joke about the bear, right, Yeah, 555 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: he's going like the bear. Yeah, two guys see a 556 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: bear out in the woods. And then one of them, 557 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: uh starts running. The other one and stopped and ties 558 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: his shoes and he's running and he catches up with them. 559 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: They're both running. He's like, why did you stop to 560 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: tie your shoes? I don't have to run faster in 561 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: the bear. I just have to run faster than you. 562 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 1: So this exactly. Uh So there's levity here. But the 563 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: the issue is that what we're seeing is a series 564 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: of well, we're seeing is a series of eroding promises 565 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: and standards, right and eroding the erosion of assumptions or 566 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: the disproving of assumptions, like we know this can't right now. 567 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: They're saying, yes, it will always be a human operator. 568 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: But there's not really a law against it being autonomous 569 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: at this point because the legislation hasn't caught up with 570 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 1: the with the technology. And so I would want to 571 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: ask you and ask our fellow or fellow conspiracy realist here, 572 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: do you think this will always be human guided or 573 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: will it eventually turn into something autonomous? Yeah, I don't 574 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: see any reason why I wouldn't become autonomous, just with 575 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: the way you know, general trends are going, and Ben, like, 576 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: I was just thinking about this, the conversations we were 577 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: having about these things early early on, because of their 578 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 1: association with DARPA and some of these other weapons manufacturers 579 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,839 Speaker 1: and researchers, and the same money coming from grants from 580 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: the government. It's all going there. We knew these were 581 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: going to be weapons, like that's why they were being developed. 582 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: Eventually they will become weapons like most high tech things, 583 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: or at least they started as weapons originally. I don't know, 584 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: that's pessimistic. I mean, no, it's it's not pessimistic. I 585 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: would say it's realistic. I would say it's a very 586 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: good point, man, because think about, you know, the old 587 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: conversation regarding the creation of machine consciousness, like an actual 588 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:12,800 Speaker 1: sentient thing that just happens to also be a computer program. 589 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: The closest things to those now are being created as soldiers, 590 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: as super soldiers, right, They're very quickly being weaponized. You 591 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: could you could argue, in fact, that the first AI program, 592 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: the first actual machine consciousness, may end up being a 593 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: lot like a child soldier in terms of its um 594 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: it's experiences. And I know that's a very not fun 595 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: thing to think about, but that kind of analogy does 596 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: hold true. And so we have to ask ourselves, you know, 597 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: how how long will it be before something like this 598 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: goes in? And then we also have to ask ourselves, 599 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: like civilization has to ask itself cost benefit here? Does 600 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: this kind of approach it's a cost benefit, right? Does 601 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: this kind of approach save more lives than it will 602 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: inevitably harm? By which I mean, you know, the ideas 603 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: you can save the lives of people who otherwise would 604 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: have been in war, They would have been in a 605 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 1: hot war. It is statistically certain that many would have 606 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: been grievously injured or they would have died. And instead 607 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: what's happening is a robo dog is rendered inoperable. So 608 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: that's expensive, but it's not as expensive as a human life. 609 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: And then on the flip side, of course, what happens 610 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,359 Speaker 1: when these things are in a conflict and they take 611 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: human lives? What happens if they get the wrong group? 612 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's already happened with drones, and there's human 613 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 1: involvement with those, right, There's a lot of intelligence that 614 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,879 Speaker 1: goes into that. And when I say intelligencely I mean 615 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: intel gathering. Um no, not not Not's a yes. I 616 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 1: just had this vision been of all of these robots 617 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: that that have these you know, metals that we just 618 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: talked about in a couple episodes previous that we have 619 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: to gather from the bottom of the ocean or the 620 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 1: moon or from asteroids because we're running out of some 621 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: of these precious metals that have to go into these 622 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 1: machines in the chips like and all that stuff. I'm 623 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: just seeing the future wars based on the fact that 624 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: each superpower needs to create more robots so that they 625 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: can fight each other on some battlefield where all the 626 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: humans suffer in that region. That's true, and it's something 627 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 1: that people it's something that people need to be aware of. 628 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: So the truth of the matter is that this kind 629 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: of news can get it can get a political slant right, 630 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 1: or it can get a nationalistic slant of some sort, 631 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 1: and neither of those are particularly helpful. The future is coming, 632 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: and the future this kind of future, I'm not sure 633 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: the best way to say this. Imagine you live, like 634 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: Matt said, in a country that is war toward, and 635 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: it has been so for years, decades, or in some 636 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: cases generations. It doesn't really matter who the president or 637 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,320 Speaker 1: the premier, the prime minister of another country is. Doesn't 638 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: matter what kind of names change, because in no cases 639 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,840 Speaker 1: have those stopped the bombs from falling. So like the 640 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,800 Speaker 1: these and also we have to be clear, like these 641 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:47,919 Speaker 1: innovations are being made by wealthy countries, and these innovations 642 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: are going to hit the ground in already disadvantaged countries. Now, 643 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,800 Speaker 1: will they be a boon for things like domestic law enforcement? Sure? Maybe? 644 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 1: You know, will there be a future where it's legal 645 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 1: for a private citizen to have a robodog with a 646 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: gun on it? You know what I mean? Just kind 647 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: of just kind of prancing around. And I'll say it too, 648 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: I ever, I very rarely use this word, but they're cute, right, 649 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 1: and just kind of jumping around in the in the 650 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 1: front yard until somebody crosses the line or something like. 651 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 1: That's very much the reality we're headed to. And it's 652 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: a question that if, if history is any precedent, it's 653 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,320 Speaker 1: a question that we're going to answer as a civilization 654 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 1: far too late, far too late to prevent any unnecessary chaos. 655 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,839 Speaker 1: So with that, what do you all think? Is it 656 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 1: cost benefit? Is it better to have Is it better 657 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: to have these things out there? Is there any way 658 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,919 Speaker 1: to step back from the precipice or do you, like 659 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: my equally pessimistic, very close friend write or died Matt Frederick, 660 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,319 Speaker 1: Do you, like us, believe that this is this is 661 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: already happening. We're just on the roller coaster hearing that 662 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 1: as you get to the top of the hill, that's 663 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 1: where we're at. That's where I think we're out on 664 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 1: the ride. I just went to six Flags and the 665 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: only ride I was able to get on was the 666 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:29,919 Speaker 1: Great American Screen Machine. No. I almost died on that thing. Yeah, okay, yeah, 667 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 1: I just had a vision of that old rickety Wooden't 668 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: thing yea, And we're just all on it, just clinking up. 669 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,319 Speaker 1: We have no idea how much our head and back 670 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,880 Speaker 1: is going to hurt. Let's also point out somebody died 671 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 1: on a roller coaster in six Flags a number of 672 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,400 Speaker 1: years ago. It was called z Force. Yeah. Yeah, I've 673 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 1: got to stop bringing us back to these inevitable deaths 674 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: due to technology. But we do want to hear from you, folks. 675 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: We also do want to hear. 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