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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. Now,

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Speaker 1: tell me about the television programs you've been associated with

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Speaker 1: before we get into your book life with the Afterlife.

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Speaker 1: How did they find you? How did you get going

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Speaker 1: into that? Oh, my gosh, it's so funny. I actually

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Speaker 1: used to I worked with Jason Hawes and Grant Wilson,

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Speaker 1: who started ghost Hunters years ago. Good people. Yeah, they're wonderful,

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Speaker 1: And I actually produced a podcast for them before I

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Speaker 1: was ever on ghost Hunters, and they kept asking me

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Speaker 1: to join up with them, and I kept saying no

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Speaker 1: because I had a very normal job as a project

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Speaker 1: manager and had benefits and things like that, and looking

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Speaker 1: for ghosts on television didn't seem like a career with longevity.

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Speaker 1: And so then I eventually said yes because they at

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Speaker 1: that time I did live in California and they were

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Speaker 1: in my neck of the woods. So I went out

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Speaker 1: with them for a couple of cases and then I

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Speaker 1: never went home. I ended up selling with them for

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Speaker 1: over seven years, and so that's a long time, A

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Speaker 1: long time. Gosh. Yeah, it was over one hundred episodes.

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Speaker 1: I think I was on like one hundred and thirty episode.

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Speaker 1: That's incredible, and telling me about Kindred Spirits. So Kindred

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Speaker 1: Spirits came about one of my co stars on ghost Hunters,

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Speaker 1: Adam Berry. He and I paired up and just worked

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Speaker 1: really well together. And we eventually after having done ghost

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Speaker 1: Hunters for so long and once I had my daughter,

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Speaker 1: ghost Hunters involved a lot of travel, and so I

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Speaker 1: left that show and then Adam and I pitched the

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Speaker 1: idea for Kindred Spirits, which was a more in depth investigation.

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Speaker 1: You know, we wanted to find the spirits, but not

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Speaker 1: just confirmed they were there. He wanted to be able

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Speaker 1: to find out exactly who they are and why they

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Speaker 1: are there and really get to the bottom of it.

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Speaker 1: And and so we pitched that idea and Discovery loved it.

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Speaker 1: So now we're on Travel Channel. We just wrapped our

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Speaker 1: fifth season. That's great. This seems to keep going for me.

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Speaker 1: And now these paranormal excursions that you do, that's fascinating

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Speaker 1: because a lot of people don't know how or where

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Speaker 1: to go. You do it all for them, don't you, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we do so. I obviously Right now business is a

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Speaker 1: little We've put things off for a little bit. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back in twenty twenty one in a big way.

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Speaker 1: And you know, so what I do is I plan

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Speaker 1: paranormal vacations for people. So we go to some of

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Speaker 1: the most haunted locations in the country. We do a

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Speaker 1: couple of cruises every year. We go to Hawaii, and

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Speaker 1: we pair together vacations and paranormal investigation, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a chance for people to be around a lot

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Speaker 1: of other like minded folks. You know, you know you

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Speaker 1: can talk about anything weird, be it ghosts, UFOs, cryptids,

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to talk about. You know you're in

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Speaker 1: good company and that it's going to be received. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's so much fun. I missed it. I can't believe

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Speaker 1: how much I missed them. I'm really looking forward to

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Speaker 1: getting back out and they will be back. Of all

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Speaker 1: the travels you've done, Amy, what has been the scariest

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Speaker 1: moment for you when you've been out there doing this? Gosh,

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Speaker 1: I had a lot, but I will say in a

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Speaker 1: paranormal sense, probably the scariest encounter I've had was it

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Speaker 1: Waverly Hills in Kentucky and I was investigating on the

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Speaker 1: where thousands of people passed away, yea. And I was

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Speaker 1: And I've you know, I've seen a lot of things

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Speaker 1: I would say that, you know, I know it sounds

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Speaker 1: And it not only had an effect on how I

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Speaker 1: activity I was getting in the way they responded. Is

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Speaker 1: your book Life with the Afterlife based on the experiences

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Speaker 1: it's all kind of woven together, and that was the

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Speaker 1: You know, I didn't want to just have another ghost

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Speaker 1: am as an investigator today. Life would the Afterlife tell

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Speaker 1: us about the title? Well, that was one. You know,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I realized my life really is with

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Speaker 1: the afterlife at this point. I live. I live the dead,

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Speaker 1: which is very strange, but you know, I it's a

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Speaker 1: key to the book is the subtile thirteen truth that

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Speaker 1: not spoiler alert, but you know, each each chapter has

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Speaker 1: a really interesting title to it, you know, like ghosts

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Speaker 1: very last chapter of the title is don't believe any

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Speaker 1: my story, but don't be afraid to make your own story. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: sometimes get confused though? Do we get haunted by demons

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Speaker 1: and think there are little ghostly friends who have passed over? Well,

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Speaker 1: So you know, there's many there. Well, I do believe

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Speaker 1: What are angels? That's a very good questioning. I feel

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Speaker 1: on your own personal belief system. Absolutely. Some of the

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Speaker 1: about each one. As we just mentioned ghosts or people too.

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Speaker 1: Number two, Ghosts aren't trying to scare you. Ghosts hunting

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Speaker 1: Beware of hitchhiking ghosts. A haunted prison isn't the scariest

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Speaker 1: It's almost like the Commandments of ghost hunting. I mean,

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