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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,

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Speaker 1: First Light Go Farther, stay Longer, and now your host

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast,

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Speaker 2: which is brought to you by first Light. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all about just you

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Speaker 2: know how cool the white tail really is and why

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Speaker 2: they are America's favorite game animals. This episode is a

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Speaker 2: fun one. It's just mostly an honor of white Tail

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Speaker 2: Week here at Meat Eater. Now, while it might seem

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Speaker 2: like some of our crew values Western game animals more

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Speaker 2: deep down in their hearts, they know who the king

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Speaker 2: really is. They also know that the reason they hunt

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Speaker 2: those Western critters is because they are generally a heck

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Speaker 2: of a lot easier to kill that are pressured white tail,

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Speaker 2: although it probably would be a little bit tough to

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Speaker 2: get them to admit at that. But before I get

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Speaker 2: Go to first light dot com and check it out. Now,

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Speaker 2: let's get out of this episode. A couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: I pulled it to the driveway of a property near

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Speaker 2: my house. The owner was outside by his garage getting

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Speaker 2: his hunting gear ready, and it was pushing eighty degrees

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Speaker 2: out super sunny. We had already hung a couple of

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Speaker 2: stands and set a few blinds out his twenty five acres,

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Speaker 2: so he was off to sit a stand that his

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Speaker 2: positioned just perfectly to shoot any deer that walks into

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Speaker 2: an oversized apple tree to see if there's any goodies

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Speaker 2: on the ground, a habit that we've seen quite a

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Speaker 2: few little Bucks take on almost like with clockwork regularity,

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Speaker 2: which is, you know, the kind of deer he was

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Speaker 2: looking for because he's never arrowed one before, so those

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Speaker 2: on his menu. I was headed into a small pond

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Speaker 2: with a stand on my back. Now earlier this summer,

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Speaker 2: when we were doing some setup work, I had put

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Speaker 2: to finish that one before I could sit. But I

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Speaker 2: was excited because it was hot. The deer had only

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Speaker 2: been hunted one time by the landowner, and our standards

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Speaker 2: were pretty low. And as we walked in and we're

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Speaker 2: It was bedded, I don't know, probably not fifteen yards

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Speaker 2: see that deer come ghosting back through eventually. That's not

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Speaker 2: how I used to feel about bumping deer, and it

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Speaker 2: doesn't always work that way, but it happens often enough

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Speaker 2: when they get close to a threat, or when a

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Speaker 2: It's common to hear hunters say, you know, the wolves

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Speaker 2: killed all the deer where I hunt, but just because

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Speaker 2: you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't there. Now.

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Speaker 2: Do wolves kill deer, You bet, you're happy ass they do.

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Speaker 2: They're good at it. But it's also pretty easy to

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Speaker 2: that all of those apex predators, they had their moment

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Speaker 2: animals that made it through the extinction gauntlet to this point.

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Speaker 2: The white tails kind of like the coyote in that

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Speaker 2: A lot of species of plants, insects, and animals have

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Speaker 2: he's going to sleep. You know, it's also one that

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Speaker 2: flies around. But where did the butter part come from? Well,

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Speaker 2: be because some of those crazy Germans back in the

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Speaker 2: The white tail gets its name in a similar fashion,

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Speaker 2: where the interdigital glands on their back hoofs have a

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Speaker 2: the infrared. Just kidding, it's because their tails are white, duh.

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Speaker 2: Their tails are bigger than the tails on a lot

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Speaker 2: signaling device. The white tail likes to live in thick habitat,

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Speaker 2: and it's a somewhat social critter. A deer fleeing in

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Speaker 2: of like if you were sneaking through an abandoned insane

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Speaker 2: Scooby Doo and Shaggy moment where you get the hell

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Speaker 2: deer can. They can clock in at thirty miles per

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Speaker 2: And they can and jump too. The dough one of

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Speaker 2: my daughters shot in September cleared a hedgerow with ease

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Speaker 2: right after the shot. And that's a hedgerow that I

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Speaker 2: They've been known to clear fences much taller than that,

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Speaker 2: which is pretty incredible. The white tail as a communication

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Speaker 2: machine too, and this goes way beyond their oversized bright

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Speaker 2: information that they can disseminate and absorb from those scents

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Speaker 2: would probably blow our minds. It's probably not unlike a

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Speaker 2: fairly extensive vocabulary that a lot of humans have, where

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Speaker 2: do that, and just like us, they mix in some

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Speaker 2: vocal communication while we generally think of deer as mostly quiet,

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Speaker 2: because if you can communicate with body language and scent,

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Speaker 2: you don't really need to make much noise and draw

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Speaker 2: her fawn, or a buck grunt with every step in November,

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Speaker 2: Norway's at a rival. White tails live in so many

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Speaker 2: They are big woods dwellers who don't need an ounce

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Speaker 2: hard to kill in a hurry. Perhaps that's the coolest

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Speaker 2: They're just cool as hell, and we are so dang

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Speaker 2: I want every listener to think about that. The whitetail

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