Speaker 1: Did. He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys selector Elliott and now your host Dame Brugler, David Hellman,
Speaker 1: and Brian brought us. Well, it's day two of the
Speaker 1: coverage of the twenty seventeen NFL Combined from Indianapolis, Indiana.
Speaker 1: Brian brought us Dame Buglar, CBS Sports Draft Show regular,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show regular, as
Speaker 1: well Kate Garrison, Executive producer. We welcome everybody it's out
Speaker 1: there joining us today and guys um excited to get
Speaker 1: into a little bit of the personalities of these players.
Speaker 1: You know, we did see the opportunity to have some
Speaker 1: interviews at the podium. We got to see some guys lift,
Speaker 1: you know, so again, personalities workout. We haven't seen the
Speaker 1: full workout that will take place tomorrow. Uh. The guys
Speaker 1: that that ran through us today were the running backs
Speaker 1: and the offensive linemen. And I want to get into uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about how this has become a
Speaker 1: media really a event, this part of it. Yeah, talk
Speaker 1: about it, Brian. You wrote about it now, I wrote
Speaker 1: about on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and I and I
Speaker 1: I feel kind of a little bit. I hate what
Speaker 1: I become. I really I do, and I hate what
Speaker 1: I become. And as Day pointed out as my twenty
Speaker 1: fifth year of doing this, coming to combine and I
Speaker 1: I've I felt like as the now the media side
Speaker 1: of the that that I'm ashamed because I'm hurting my
Speaker 1: scouting side of it. But if you want to read
Speaker 1: my opinion piece, please go to Dallas Cowboys dot com
Speaker 1: and do that. I felt like I put it out there.
Speaker 1: I laid it out there pretty well. But the side
Speaker 1: that we got to do today and real quick about
Speaker 1: could too. I'll go through the show. We'll visit a
Speaker 1: little bit about the sights and sounds things that we
Speaker 1: heard today. Guys that we got a chance to visit with,
Speaker 1: UH do some stuff too with the physical side of it,
Speaker 1: the numbers from the press from the bench press over there.
Speaker 1: And I want to get into you about the bench press,
Speaker 1: because I think you said something that you really weren't
Speaker 1: Uh the bench press didn't mean that all that much
Speaker 1: for the offensive lineman, and I hope I'm not quoting
Speaker 1: you wrongly there. It's an overrated Okay, Yeah, I'll get it.
Speaker 1: I'll get into that. I want to get into that.
Speaker 1: But let me set this thing up. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: all that we're gonna do twitter on the twenty, and
Speaker 1: then we'll get into some other things maybe, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we we I got the impression that some of the
Speaker 1: guys might not really like football, you know, and just
Speaker 1: some of the conversations that we're had, and as a scout,
Speaker 1: my ears perked up. Some of the guys are one
Speaker 1: guy and some of the guys I think that. We'll
Speaker 1: see there's some guys I think that, and I want
Speaker 1: to get into that. And I want to get into
Speaker 1: that with both you because I have my feeling about
Speaker 1: guys really loving football, and as an evaluat or where
Speaker 1: am I especially at this combine, if I get a
Speaker 1: guy that doesn't have that fire, look that fire in
Speaker 1: his eyes, am I going to go away from that.
Speaker 1: But we'll get into that in the second half of
Speaker 1: the show, so you can get a hold of us.
Speaker 1: Like I say, we don't have the ability to take
Speaker 1: any calls, which is I'm sorry about that, Dave gets
Speaker 1: Ami because I don't take calls anyway. But when we
Speaker 1: get back to the Star, I promise to do that.
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Speaker 1: answered today, I want to give you that opportunity at
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Speaker 1: Twitter on the twenty and we'll take care of that. Okay.
Speaker 1: Impressions of the Day. I know it's a broad question,
Speaker 1: and it's one of those things where you know, a
Speaker 1: kid stands up there for three minutes, stands up there
Speaker 1: for twelve minutes, for seventeen minutes, But what do you
Speaker 1: gather in this? You know a lot of these kids
Speaker 1: come from big schools. They're used to standing in front
Speaker 1: of the media and talk, and then there's some kids
Speaker 1: that really aren't used to that. Though. What did you
Speaker 1: take though from some of the big names that went today?
Speaker 1: Four Net Cook, guys like that, Kamara Kamara, Tennessee. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, and we can get into that, but the
Speaker 1: main the funny thing to me, you know, I already
Speaker 1: joked about how we make this big deal about the
Speaker 1: combine and it kind of just like it takes forever
Speaker 1: for the ball to really start getting rolling, you know,
Speaker 1: And then the ball started rolling today. And who did
Speaker 1: we watch? We watch the two positions that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: don't really need, like the strengths of their team running
Speaker 1: back and offensive lines, and and there were plenty of
Speaker 1: interesting things to take away, but I just thought it
Speaker 1: was funny. It's like, oh, and you know, every other
Speaker 1: team in the league is like swing tackle out there
Speaker 1: for you. I'm sure, and I know Draft Nerd like,
Speaker 1: don't try to throw me under the bus like that,
Speaker 1: But I wasn't throwing you under the bus. I was
Speaker 1: just you get my Obviously the Cowboys could use a tackle.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that my point. But if you had
Speaker 1: to say tooth strengths on this team, wouldn't those be
Speaker 1: near the top of the list? Oh, offensive line and
Speaker 1: running back? Yeah? Back. Every team in the league is
Speaker 1: sitting here like, oh, Fournette, Cook, Kamara, uh, pump free
Speaker 1: and oh pump free hunting a lot of good a
Speaker 1: lot of good players. But you know, for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, all right, where where are the pass rushers?
Speaker 1: Or are the corners? Oh? Anyway, so you're you're lining
Speaker 1: up for your your focus is now on these defenses.
Speaker 1: You're trying to I'm trying to make I'm trying to
Speaker 1: make this squad better in twenty seventeen. But to your point,
Speaker 1: uh yeah. And these were two really interesting interviews, And
Speaker 1: I thought, um, Fournette and Cook were really fun juxtaposition
Speaker 1: because I thought Fournette was a case example of like
Speaker 1: how these guys are coached to the extreme on their
Speaker 1: approach to the combine and how you know, he just
Speaker 1: wanted to make it as boring as he possibly could,
Speaker 1: and he sure did. I mean, I went to LSU.
Speaker 1: I love Leonard Fournette, but that was as boring as
Speaker 1: I've ever been a part of. And then Dalvin Cook.
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't the best interview ever, but he
Speaker 1: was much more engaging, much more interesting, much more willing
Speaker 1: to speak his mind. And I honestly I came away
Speaker 1: from the whole thing with a better impression of Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook than of Leonard Fournette. And you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to let an interview dictate sure your NFL career,
Speaker 1: but that's just kind of how I came away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you think the biggest thing for me during
Speaker 1: these interviews today was just finding out more about the injuries, right,
Speaker 1: what's going on with the medicals in Dalvin Cook. One
Speaker 1: of the biggest wild cards this week based on the medicals.
Speaker 1: And so he stood up there and he said that
Speaker 1: he passed every single medical test. Now explained to him
Speaker 1: the test. Now we've done research on this. It's the
Speaker 1: labor him. He's had trouble with both shoulders, both shoulders,
Speaker 1: the back shoulder, yes, the back, the front on the
Speaker 1: right side, on the right side, back and front, and
Speaker 1: then on the left side, I think of the front, right,
Speaker 1: Is that what I said? Yeah? But dating back to
Speaker 1: his high school days, so three surgeries run back shoulders
Speaker 1: for a two hundred and ten pound running back, right,
Speaker 1: He's not you know, that's not he doesn't have the
Speaker 1: body armor ideal. He's not a zeke. He's not a
Speaker 1: four net in terms of just build a physicality as
Speaker 1: a runner. Uh. But you know, to hear him stand
Speaker 1: up there confidently say that teams passed him. Teams clear
Speaker 1: to him. That's a big step for him. Now, obviously
Speaker 1: when we talk to teams, that'll be a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, make sure just to verify because you know,
Speaker 1: you expect him to say that. But hopefully teams come
Speaker 1: back with similar feedback that hey, you know what he
Speaker 1: checked out. Okay, we feel a lot better about it.
Speaker 1: But what did he do today? Bench press? Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: that's the other point. Yeah, that was twenty two. You're
Speaker 1: not doing twenty two reps on the bench press if
Speaker 1: you have a sore shoulder or yeah, concern or shoulder
Speaker 1: weakness is another thing too, right, That twenty two is
Speaker 1: more than several of the offensive linemen did today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so twenty two is a really good number. That kind
Speaker 1: of you touched on it. You know, the bench press,
Speaker 1: and we can touch on a little bit here, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't measure football strength. That's not the point of
Speaker 1: the bench pre us. The point of the bench press
Speaker 1: is to help with to show your endurance, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: your your weight room strength. Uh, you know, to show
Speaker 1: teams that, hey, I spend a lot of time you know,
Speaker 1: working on my body working out in in that type
Speaker 1: of setting. So that speaks highly of Dalvin Cook and
Speaker 1: the fact that not only does he have, you know,
Speaker 1: the work ethic where he's he's able to do twenty
Speaker 1: two reps at two hundred and ten pounds, but also
Speaker 1: with the shoulders it didn't affect him. So a really
Speaker 1: good day for Dalvin Cook. Yeah. I think that if
Speaker 1: you're a team, and again we're a Dallas Cowboys show,
Speaker 1: I mean we were, we're employed by the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: We like to keep the draft show as a is
Speaker 1: the best we can. You know, if you're having to
Speaker 1: be a fan of another team and you're looking for
Speaker 1: a running back, that's why we're talking about these running
Speaker 1: But we're here for the big picture. We are you
Speaker 1: know again we always talk about to investigate and educate,
Speaker 1: and we do. We you don't even have you don't
Speaker 1: even have to make a case for somebody who's not
Speaker 1: a Cowboys fan listening to this. I just I just
Speaker 1: like I said, you should care about these running backs.
Speaker 1: If you should, what happens one of them is going
Speaker 1: to end up somewhere where you don't want them. Not
Speaker 1: only that, but what happens to them, and where they
Speaker 1: go is going to shape the first round of the draft.
Speaker 1: I mean, we talk about stuff like that all the time.
Speaker 1: We don't know, you know, is one of these guys
Speaker 1: the top five pick, top eight pick, is somebody gonna fall?
Speaker 1: Is Leonard Fournette gonna be there for somebody who didn't
Speaker 1: think so? And then that in turn affects what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys do at twenty eight. I mean, it's all a
Speaker 1: domino effect. It's all linked together. So to sit here,
Speaker 1: and yes, the Cowboys do not need a running back. Yes,
Speaker 1: neither one of these guys will play for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: but they might play against the Cowboys. And not only that,
Speaker 1: but where they go could have absolutely what are you
Speaker 1: thinking about? We you had a chance to debate Pete
Speaker 1: Prisco at your other job, CBS Sports. He was against
Speaker 1: the two hundred and forty pound Leonard Fournette, and Fournette
Speaker 1: did say that he was surprised by that. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: thought he'd be more around two thirty five the water weight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now I'm using this as an excuse, so I'm
Speaker 1: so big. It's the waterway. How much water you've been drinking?
Speaker 1: Maybe two hundred and sixty pounds worth of waterway, So
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting. I'm using an excuse. Now we'll see
Speaker 1: what he is as a pro day. He said he
Speaker 1: feels most comfortable at two thirty five. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a big deal. You know, Fournette, if
Speaker 1: he's two thirty to two forty, as long as he's
Speaker 1: somewhere in there, I think he'll be just fine. I mean,
Speaker 1: people forget that Derrick Henry last year was two forty seven, right, yeah, point,
Speaker 1: I don't remember a lot being made about that. I mean,
Speaker 1: Fournette is a freak. I made a big deal about
Speaker 1: it because I wasn't a huge Henry fan, but the
Speaker 1: big back like that. Right. But you didn't think he
Speaker 1: was necessarily overweight. No, I just think he was overweighted
Speaker 1: at all. That's just how he's built. That's how he's built.
Speaker 1: Nothing with Fournette, right, two hundred and forty pounds does
Speaker 1: not make him overweight. If he runs, if he is
Speaker 1: two thirty, does he run that much faster? I don't
Speaker 1: think so. That's just think that's who he is. He
Speaker 1: also set up there that you know, if somebody asked
Speaker 1: him to play at two twenty five, he thought he could. No,
Speaker 1: I mean that's what he's comfortable playing at that two
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pounds. Williams at the combine in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine was two hundred and forty two pounds. Okay,
Speaker 1: he probably played more like two twenty five to thirty
Speaker 1: throughout his career because he quickly found out that right
Speaker 1: at Texas, get away with it. Yeah, but in the
Speaker 1: NFL it worked better at at a lower weight. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I you know. The thing to me was I thought
Speaker 1: was interesting too with Dalvin Cook. Dalvin Cook said he's
Speaker 1: the best running back in this draft. He's not wrong.
Speaker 1: I mean, you get here and I feel like that's
Speaker 1: almost and we think this is a good group of
Speaker 1: running back. That's damn near a consensus opinion, honestly, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't hear that many people standing on the table
Speaker 1: saying Leonard Fournette has a definitively better back. No, if
Speaker 1: there's not as much debate about it as I honestly
Speaker 1: thought there would be. Since all right, since the summer,
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook, to me, has been the top back. And
Speaker 1: I've always said I don't think he's Zeke. I think
Speaker 1: he's a step behind Zeke. But to me, I will
Speaker 1: take him over Fournette. And I love Fournette, He's a freak.
Speaker 1: He belongs in the first round. Cook is just a
Speaker 1: better all around back. And if I feel good about
Speaker 1: the durability the long term, you know, ability to hold up,
Speaker 1: and then Cook should be the first running back draft that.
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see if NFL teams agree with
Speaker 1: that or might they go with you know, when Fournette
Speaker 1: goes out there and runs a four four eight, you know,
Speaker 1: at two hundred and forty pounds, if maybe all right,
Speaker 1: he just too much of a freak, we can't pass
Speaker 1: on him, you know that. See that's the funny thing
Speaker 1: about it, Because I asked you this question yesterday about
Speaker 1: would if Dalvin Cook is your number one back, would
Speaker 1: a four four eight from Leonard Fournette change your opinion
Speaker 1: about him as far as where you would have him. No,
Speaker 1: because I know he's fast now, I mean even if
Speaker 1: he ran in the four threes, it's not gonna change
Speaker 1: my opinion, right because because of the tape. Well, and
Speaker 1: for a back, how much does a forty yard dash
Speaker 1: really matter? Well, I mean we've seen with I mean
Speaker 1: with Zeke. I mean it's a four four six maybe,
Speaker 1: but I'm talking about the finish that's four plays a year,
Speaker 1: where like you know, you're straight in, like you know,
Speaker 1: BurnAWAY spin. You know, you could argue it makes a
Speaker 1: difference between Zeke and DeMarco Murray. But I agree. I mean,
Speaker 1: tenths of a second on the forty should not dictate
Speaker 1: your pecking order. I mean you should decide that on
Speaker 1: something more concrete. In my opinion, talked we talk about
Speaker 1: forty yard dash. I think corner and wide receiver it
Speaker 1: matters a lot more. You know, the vertical and you
Speaker 1: want to see that. But when it talking about running back,
Speaker 1: I care about about the three cone, the short shuttle,
Speaker 1: the change of direction. Oh, now you're speaking my leg.
Speaker 1: I want to see what Fournette does in those drills. Now,
Speaker 1: if he performs exceptionally well or exceptionally better than Cook,
Speaker 1: then now I'm gonna not gonna change my rankings, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to the tape and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's a lot better than Cook was, or you know,
Speaker 1: just on the quantitative data. Let's go back to the
Speaker 1: tape and figure out, Okay, do we miss something what's
Speaker 1: going on here? I think I think to me, when
Speaker 1: you talk about corners, when you talk about receivers, right,
Speaker 1: even linebackers, running backs, give me the twenty yard shuttle.
Speaker 1: I will when I when I used to do this,
Speaker 1: when I used to sit in that RCA dome, I
Speaker 1: would go everybody else would go watch other drills. I'd
Speaker 1: sit down there and watch the twenty shuttle. That's the
Speaker 1: one that's the drill where they start in the middle,
Speaker 1: you go to you know, ten one way with one hand,
Speaker 1: go ten the other, and then come back and finish.
Speaker 1: Look at those times, those are the one you get
Speaker 1: some guys to get in that under four that's on
Speaker 1: that three cone, that's that's same thing for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how I feel about that. If you get under
Speaker 1: seven in the three cone, you're you're doing some work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you can't if you're stiff, even a little bit,
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't hide that you're it's gonna be exposed.
Speaker 1: And so the short shuttle and the three cone both
Speaker 1: they showed that not only initial burst, change of direction,
Speaker 1: uh to flexibility, and then the finish how can you close?
Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, if you're a little bit stiff,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to hide. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: exposed in those drills. Yeah, I I totally agree with you.
Speaker 1: I that's what I say. I used to sit down
Speaker 1: there and watch guys go one after another, and you
Speaker 1: you could tell, you could tell a lot about well, okay,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this guy on tape, you could tell
Speaker 1: why stiff right because you watched that, you watched that drill.
Speaker 1: Of these running backs, of these running backs that work
Speaker 1: out tomorrow, Who's gonna work out the best? Who do
Speaker 1: you feel like and who do you feel like it's
Speaker 1: gonna be the guy that when it's all said and done,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go okay, that that that kid right there
Speaker 1: helped him the most. I think he'll be cook um
Speaker 1: of the top of those top guys that will work
Speaker 1: out the best of the cook and then the fournette McCaffrey, McAffrey, Kamara,
Speaker 1: you know Samuel. I mean, I mean I've got him.
Speaker 1: He might not be eceive, he's hunt. I mean, who
Speaker 1: who of that group do you think will have the
Speaker 1: best workout? I think I think he'll be cooked. I
Speaker 1: think McCaffrey will be up there. He came in at
Speaker 1: only two hundred two pounds, only put up ten and
Speaker 1: it was a wobbly ten. Yeah, bench Um, he just
Speaker 1: that's his body type. You know, he's probably maxed out.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's talk about him as a feature back.
Speaker 1: You know, can he hold up? Is he a three
Speaker 1: down player? Uh? He kind of said today he feels disrespected,
Speaker 1: you know, he feels like he is that type of player. Uh.
Speaker 1: And So the player that I think I'm most intrigued
Speaker 1: about in terms of his workouts is Deonte Foreman from Texas,
Speaker 1: guy that a lot of folks interested in. That one
Speaker 1: dominated the Big twelve. Sure's and you hate the defense
Speaker 1: in the Big twelve? What defense exactly? And at two
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty three pounds, I want to see how
Speaker 1: he works out, not not the forty, but I want
Speaker 1: to see the change of direction, the short shuttle, the
Speaker 1: three cone because we don't see that film, do you know,
Speaker 1: Because yeah, you see a lot of power, you see
Speaker 1: a like see power. You don't see shifty moves. You know,
Speaker 1: don't see miss to make the first guy miss right
Speaker 1: because honestly a lot of times he didn't have to,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's again Big twelve defense. So uh,
Speaker 1: I want to see how he performs. He talking to
Speaker 1: him earlier, he thinks he's he feels pretty good about
Speaker 1: how he's going to test, and so I'm eager to
Speaker 1: see if he lives up to that. Everybody in mind McCaffrey,
Speaker 1: I mean, and McCaffrey's kind of the forgotten man. I mean,
Speaker 1: and he does he does he have a right to
Speaker 1: be that he feels that feels slighted by everybody, probably
Speaker 1: considering how damn good and versatile he was in college.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna I'm gonna do it again and say,
Speaker 1: like I don't is he like an every down back
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I don't know about that, but I
Speaker 1: totally get where he's coming from in the sense that
Speaker 1: he feels like I mean, he should feel like he is.
Speaker 1: All these guys should be confident in what they can do.
Speaker 1: Me personally, And this is biased, but I've I've known
Speaker 1: who Leonard Fournette was since I was like sixteen. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's the stuff of like folklore in right in Louisia.
Speaker 1: Watched the highlights at night? Uh well not and I
Speaker 1: don't not even just college watch safety. He's just crumpled
Speaker 1: the stuff coming out about him when he was a
Speaker 1: high schooler, like balling seniors around as a freshman in
Speaker 1: high school. I mean, Leonard Fournette was a household name
Speaker 1: in Louisiana before he ever put on an LSU helmet,
Speaker 1: And this is this is suited for him, And if
Speaker 1: he doesn't really really ball out in the workouts, I
Speaker 1: will not only be surprised but disappointed because it's all
Speaker 1: been this is what he was. But I actually asked
Speaker 1: him about that today. I was like, people in talk
Speaker 1: people have been talking about you entering the draft process
Speaker 1: since before you even got to college, Right, does it
Speaker 1: feel weird that you're actually here, like you're actually doing
Speaker 1: it now? And I don't know. There's just been too
Speaker 1: much hype about this guy for him to not come
Speaker 1: out and show out. So I'm looking for him to
Speaker 1: really blow people away. I'm looking forward to seeing Cook
Speaker 1: workout tomorrow. I'm looking forward to seeing Gallman workout from
Speaker 1: Clemson is another one that I think that I'm in
Speaker 1: Kamara from Tennessee and then Hunt I'm looking. I'm looking.
Speaker 1: I'm looking for those guys tomorrow myself because I've got
Speaker 1: them at certain points on my board and I want
Speaker 1: to know, though, is that is the workout, matching the
Speaker 1: tape and then you know when you can. And McCaffrey
Speaker 1: falls into this too, for sure. But when you consider
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys could use and what each of these
Speaker 1: guys do and where the Cowboys pick, Kamara is a
Speaker 1: guy that really intrigues me, just in the sense that, like,
Speaker 1: I don't have to scratch him off the board right
Speaker 1: away like I do with Fournette, and also he could
Speaker 1: be a complimentary back to Ezekiel Elliott. I mean, do
Speaker 1: you think Cowboy fans would scream yes if they've drafted McCaffrey. Yes, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you had to draft in the first round and right,
Speaker 1: no if you took him at twenty eight, and I
Speaker 1: think you would you have to take Kamara at twenty eight?
Speaker 1: You think, could you? No? No, no, no, well either,
Speaker 1: but I think you do. Yeah, yeah, I think. I
Speaker 1: don't think. I mean Kamara from Tennessee, Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: have he doesn't get to sixty, I don't. I think
Speaker 1: you go somewhere in the top fifty picks, yeah, or
Speaker 1: maybe fifty five. I don't. I think they both do.
Speaker 1: Maran McCaffrey, Yeah, I agree. And so you're taking running
Speaker 1: back and back to back years, especially after you're running
Speaker 1: back did what he did last year. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: you're not. That's allocating your resource as well. I don't
Speaker 1: that's a tough sell, but McCaffrey, because you don't seem
Speaker 1: as every down play, I mean as an every down back,
Speaker 1: you seem as a utility player. And he would be
Speaker 1: like Lance Dunbar on steroids like he would be they
Speaker 1: didn't do anything with lancest steroids. Ooh, and that sounds bad.
Speaker 1: It would be Lance Dunbar at a much higher He
Speaker 1: would be able to catch, run and do all. You
Speaker 1: would be interested to see if fans out there would
Speaker 1: have a problem drafted in McCaffrey at twenty they I
Speaker 1: don't need to ask them to know that they would flip. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they'd flip. I mean you could find people
Speaker 1: who would be on board. Where's on your where's your
Speaker 1: top fifty? Oh he's high. He's a first round player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's still where in the twenties for me
Speaker 1: on my board, and he's he's a first round player.
Speaker 1: He belongs in the first round. I think he's a
Speaker 1: feature back. You just kind of tweak your opinion of
Speaker 1: what a feature back is okay, you know, because he's
Speaker 1: every down player. Well, you don't want him carrying the
Speaker 1: ball twenty five times a game, but you want him
Speaker 1: touching the ball twenty five times, so you know, seventeen
Speaker 1: eighteen carries. Put him in the slot. Should I do
Speaker 1: That's something that I'm not sure fits the Cowboys because
Speaker 1: they have their Should I do a poll about this? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: do a pole. Okay, Dave's gonna put up a Twitter
Speaker 1: poll and let's see if we can get that. Hopefully
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Speaker 1: little twitter on the Twitter. There you go, Dave Hell
Speaker 1: would take it away. We talked about this sort of yesterday.
Speaker 1: We remember Speedy Noile talking about maybe he should play corner.
Speaker 1: Okay maybe, but and Jabrill Peppers comes into this a
Speaker 1: little bit too, hmm. Friend of the show, Bobby Belt
Speaker 1: wants to know Bobby Belt. Good Man, Bobby Belt, who's
Speaker 1: in Who's in the biggest need of a position change
Speaker 1: when they get from college to the pro level. I mean,
Speaker 1: this could be tackles to guards, this could be safeties
Speaker 1: to corners and vice versa. Yeah, I think Speedy Noil
Speaker 1: belongs in that conversation. And guy we talked about a
Speaker 1: phenomenal athlete. He just his routes are terrible and he
Speaker 1: drops too many passes the go. But you know, we
Speaker 1: talked about him yesterday, So we'll move on to someone else.
Speaker 1: You know, I think Jabro Pepper's it's not necessarily needs
Speaker 1: a position change. It's just what position do you play him?
Speaker 1: You know, It's just I think that's the more confusion there.
Speaker 1: Right for me, I'll say Forest Lamp, you know, the
Speaker 1: four year starter left tackle. He's in the Zach Martin
Speaker 1: molt where right, could he potentially play outside a tackle? Sure,
Speaker 1: I think it's possible. Uh, just like Zach Martin probably could.
Speaker 1: But to maximize his talent and the skill set and
Speaker 1: best put him inside a guard. I think Forrest Lamp
Speaker 1: has Pro Bowls in his future, like the way he
Speaker 1: spoke today. Yeah, up there at the podium. You know,
Speaker 1: he was no, he was very you know, as the
Speaker 1: questions were firing to him, he was very thoughtful about
Speaker 1: your question, your question, your question. I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: to me, that showed a little bit of organization, a
Speaker 1: little bit of focus on I want to I'm answering
Speaker 1: your question. Thank you for that question. I'm answering your question.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. I mean, he was that type
Speaker 1: of guy. I got him ready. I talked him on
Speaker 1: the phone a couple weeks ago, and he was, no,
Speaker 1: he was very prepared. He the questions were coming at him.
Speaker 1: He thanked people for being you know, for getting him
Speaker 1: to where he is today. And it meant a lot
Speaker 1: to him for to be here in this opportunity. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna throw out a guy. Desmond King from
Speaker 1: Iowa talked about it. Yeah, and I and I the
Speaker 1: Draft show. I want to bring up guys. I want
Speaker 1: to bring up more guys. You know, Desmond King, we
Speaker 1: talked about Iowa. I think the Sudden Kid too from Tennessee.
Speaker 1: And I've been pushing this one though about him, and
Speaker 1: you know, he's a corner at Tennessee. I saw him
Speaker 1: at the at the Senior Bowl play safety and cover O. J.
Speaker 1: Howard in some drills in some seven on seven stuff,
Speaker 1: and he looked really comfortable doing it, and his speed
Speaker 1: wasn't attacked. I think as a corner he gets attacked,
Speaker 1: but as a safety he might have that ability to
Speaker 1: be able to play back and be able to play
Speaker 1: down wherever he has to do, have the coverability. I
Speaker 1: don't know how great of a tackler he could be.
Speaker 1: Now I know Desmond King could be a great tackler. Well,
Speaker 1: let me go back to King for a second. Here.
Speaker 1: What number are you expecting from him in the forty
Speaker 1: And we talked about the four or five. Three was
Speaker 1: kind of the spring number of that people were dealing with,
Speaker 1: because that's not a terri it's not terrible. But see
Speaker 1: it on tape, Dave, you could see him on tape
Speaker 1: not you could see separation. And I physically love how
Speaker 1: the kid plays. I love how he tackles. I love
Speaker 1: how he's willing to stick his head in there. I
Speaker 1: love how he comes forward, and I think he could
Speaker 1: do that as a safety though. I just worry about
Speaker 1: that that that burst in that separation. He can't. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have to catch up speed. He does not have
Speaker 1: that catch The more and more we go through this,
Speaker 1: I kind of I'm not trying to get too off topic,
Speaker 1: but I think about how hard it might be to
Speaker 1: retain Bury Church, and how JJ Wilcox is maybe not
Speaker 1: too big of an improvement on what you already have
Speaker 1: in Jeff Heath, and then Byron Jones is there. The
Speaker 1: deeper we get into this, the more I really like
Speaker 1: the idea of spending a big time asset on a safety.
Speaker 1: In terms of what you're options, would you rather spend
Speaker 1: a big time asset on a safety or a tight
Speaker 1: end safety? Yeah? A safety, because looking at the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: it depends, you know, because I think, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're telling me you could have either Oj Howard or
Speaker 1: I mean Desmond King, it's sixty trying to think, because
Speaker 1: I mean that's cooker and Adams are off the board.
Speaker 1: Eight Buddha Baker. Yeah, see, like to me, I'd rather
Speaker 1: have Howard. Yeah, you know, I think Howard's a more
Speaker 1: slam dunk prospect than basically any safety you're going to
Speaker 1: have a shot at, right, and so that makes a
Speaker 1: difficult But I think this team could use a really
Speaker 1: good safety over the next two years more than they
Speaker 1: could use a tight end. Yeah point, you're absolutely right, Um,
Speaker 1: But I think at what point in the draft, you know,
Speaker 1: does King any of the second round? Yeah, I'd like that.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have a problem at does King sitting there
Speaker 1: at sixty? Watch me go up on the table at
Speaker 1: the stall and both big feet will be right up
Speaker 1: on that table. I think this guy's got the ability
Speaker 1: he can. I just like his demeanor. He's a tough
Speaker 1: SOB in the way he plays. Okay, I this wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna be my next question, but this is a good segue.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I don't have your tweet up. I
Speaker 1: don't know your name, but somebody asked earlier thought it
Speaker 1: was a good question because we've talked about him before,
Speaker 1: and I agree with the question. I have heard Obi
Speaker 1: melifon Wu the Connecticut safety jump. Thank you appreciate. I
Speaker 1: have heard him talked about everywhere from the first round
Speaker 1: to the third day. I've heard it all. So where
Speaker 1: what is this guy? What is your range for this guy?
Speaker 1: I know we've talked about him as a player. I
Speaker 1: know how y'all. I mean you know, he's not as
Speaker 1: stiff as you would expect from a six four, two
Speaker 1: twenty pound safety. He's not. He's got some coverage to him,
Speaker 1: he does blah blah blah. But where where are you
Speaker 1: thinking this guy is actually picked? I think there is
Speaker 1: a chance he could be that riser this year. The
Speaker 1: skyrockets in the first round. Uh, you had body beautiful.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna test really well at that size.
Speaker 1: And who was our guy Atlanta took last year And
Speaker 1: it was the same thing that one to me that
Speaker 1: came out that came out of nowhere, and he played
Speaker 1: well as a rookie. Sure did So he's sure and
Speaker 1: he was a big body guy, right right, And so
Speaker 1: I think Melofondo, I don't see. I don't see a
Speaker 1: first round player. I don't see a second round player
Speaker 1: when you watch him on tape. This is this is
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. So, yeah, third, three, four or four.
Speaker 1: I think of a three to four on him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I went, I went straight through. They got borderline top
Speaker 1: one hundred. But he's not gonna go near that spot.
Speaker 1: I think second rounds probably his floor in terms of
Speaker 1: where he's drafted. It's based on what he does here.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna test really well and I first
Speaker 1: rounds possible. The old man is gonna give you a
Speaker 1: history lesson. You want to say something smarmie right here now,
Speaker 1: the old Man's gonna give you a history lesson. Joey Browner,
Speaker 1: Steve Atwater, big safeties that made it, big safeties that
Speaker 1: didn't make it. Look up Patrick Bates and look at
Speaker 1: Patrick Watkins for the Cowboys in the fifth round. That
Speaker 1: was one that was one of our special days. Talk
Speaker 1: about a stiff guy that couldn't move, couldn't turn Florida
Speaker 1: state guy. Two names, Joey Browner, go back and google
Speaker 1: that if you're too young. And Steve Atwater, big safeties.
Speaker 1: I hope you don't need to google Steve Atwater. Noah.
Speaker 1: But Patrick Bates was a a very high pick by
Speaker 1: the by the Los Angeles Raiders from UCLA went by
Speaker 1: Texas by way of Texas, A and M and so. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know that those are names of guys. They've had
Speaker 1: some big ones that have failed. You mean an A
Speaker 1: and M defender didn't pan out, We didn't pan out.
Speaker 1: They don't even they don't play defensive, can't with the
Speaker 1: self burn and this is a draft for the number
Speaker 1: one player. Not a great thing to say when Miles
Speaker 1: garretts the number one? You got Dave? Uh that dude, Paul,
Speaker 1: love that Twitter handle, that dude, Paul. We talk a
Speaker 1: lot about how corner and defensive end figure to be.
Speaker 1: There a lot of a lot of players here. Good
Speaker 1: question here, who where does it drop off after the
Speaker 1: first round? Like in in Layman's turns. Where are they ft?
Speaker 1: You know, like, if you don't get your guy at
Speaker 1: twenty eight, where is it like you're kind of screwed?
Speaker 1: Oh geez, I'm looking at I'm looking at on my board,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at guard. Would that be kind of where
Speaker 1: it's at? Dane? I mean I've got three centers. I
Speaker 1: got a second center, a third center, uh fln and
Speaker 1: then post Sick and OLASKI are my three guys and centers?
Speaker 1: I mean I could it be a quarterback. Now you're
Speaker 1: saying if you don't get the guy at if you
Speaker 1: don't get the guy, which one about? He's just about
Speaker 1: position in general, which position has the steepest drop off
Speaker 1: as the draft goes? Okay, you gotta get your guy earlier.
Speaker 1: You're not. I think it's tackle personally tackle. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean the quality of the tackle. Their names there. To me,
Speaker 1: Ram checks the top twenty pick, and then I think
Speaker 1: there's rob drop off, and then you got Cam Robinson
Speaker 1: and Garrett Bowls, and then you have another pretty sizable
Speaker 1: drop off, and then you got your Taylor Moten's. You're
Speaker 1: Antonio Garcia's. Uh. But those two guys to me, aren't
Speaker 1: you know, clear cut starters? They put them sharp from Florida,
Speaker 1: I mean down the line right, So you know, I
Speaker 1: think there's I think tackle to me, if you want
Speaker 1: your guy, if you want to tackle, uh, a starting
Speaker 1: caliber tackle, especially right away, I think you have to
Speaker 1: get him early. What I just went at you with that.
Speaker 1: I went with the Lamp Dawkins Pheeny combination. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: all those guards go off the board, all of them
Speaker 1: go off to the ground. Yeah, they all go off
Speaker 1: the board in the second round. Now pick me one
Speaker 1: in the third, fourth, fifth round. See, I've got ethan
Speaker 1: post in the third. I know, to me, he's not
Speaker 1: a center. I'd like him as either guard, maybe even
Speaker 1: kick outside the table gigantic center. Right, I don't he
Speaker 1: doesn't like six, he doesn't like tall center. I didn't
Speaker 1: like Glasgow last year. Because of that, well, I grade
Speaker 1: him as a guard, a solid guard, but I also
Speaker 1: had more you have post sick in hered about post
Speaker 1: like Lsu third round guard. Okay, so then that makes
Speaker 1: it because I've got him as a center. But that
Speaker 1: makes it a little bit bearable. Yeah, because I see
Speaker 1: a gap after the second round. Then you go down
Speaker 1: into the fourth round. See, I've got plenty of guys
Speaker 1: in the third and fourth round at guard. You know,
Speaker 1: I probably like some guys better than Nico Siragusa from
Speaker 1: San Diego State. See, I need to do that guy.
Speaker 1: Need to look at Asiata from Utah, same type. It
Speaker 1: did a nice job on the bench today. He did
Speaker 1: um usc guard Damian Mama and you looked at him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of okay. So you've got names.
Speaker 1: You've got names to fill in that spot. So it's
Speaker 1: not it's pronounced mama. So we had Daddy Nicholas last
Speaker 1: year and now we got Mama. Okay, good, thanks for
Speaker 1: paying attention to draft. Of course. Oh by it's Randall
Speaker 1: who asked me about Obi Melifon. Thank you, sir, appreciate
Speaker 1: that shape. Yeah, um question from justin given that this
Speaker 1: is going to happen soon. Um, and we've talked about
Speaker 1: this before. But whatever, which drill at the combine translates
Speaker 1: the most to success for a defensive lineman, which one
Speaker 1: and interior? I mean he said d lineman. Let's say
Speaker 1: pass rusher for the purposes of the Cowboys. There's two
Speaker 1: drills I pay close attention to, and that's the ten
Speaker 1: yards split, which is just the initial ten yards. Absolutely
Speaker 1: shows that initial explosion. But Tom Coughlin used to time
Speaker 1: every year and then uh, spot it probably returns that
Speaker 1: maybe this year, maybe Jaguar had just break out the
Speaker 1: old Jaguar back. Yeah. Uh And for me, I three cone,
Speaker 1: that that's the drill I love. But you know, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, especially for past Russia joints, that flexibility bend
Speaker 1: right exactly, and that's something in the three cone, the
Speaker 1: L cone or the L drill. You so can you
Speaker 1: do that you get around that corner and then finish
Speaker 1: it right exactly. I think the vertical matters, you know,
Speaker 1: just that lower body explosion, the broad jump, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's those drills. The higher the number doesn't tell
Speaker 1: me that you're better. It's just a threshold drill right
Speaker 1: in the vertical and the broad jump explodes. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to see it at least a certain number for
Speaker 1: you know, each position. So I think for pass rusher,
Speaker 1: ten yards split the three cone, those are two big
Speaker 1: ones for me. Yeah, I totally agree with Dane. I
Speaker 1: mean that ten yard if you see a guy come
Speaker 1: flying out of their low, you know, he's got some
Speaker 1: bend and he goes low and then he could plant
Speaker 1: that foot and turn, you know in a small spot
Speaker 1: right there. So I totally agree with him about the
Speaker 1: three cone because the way the three cone just run,
Speaker 1: you have to you go up and then you turn
Speaker 1: and then you circle back, which again shows you the
Speaker 1: ability for the bend, and the balance is another thing,
Speaker 1: and then it has you finish it off coming around
Speaker 1: the corner. You see guys if they get really wide
Speaker 1: around the and they're they're all balance, You're like whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: And then you see guys that come around the corner
Speaker 1: and they're real tight to that cone and then they turn.
Speaker 1: Then you can kind of get something out of that.
Speaker 1: And we always like we always joke about the underwear
Speaker 1: Olympics and it's not football and stuff, but it's kind
Speaker 1: of it's almost startling how like if a guy doesn't
Speaker 1: look good doing it's just it jumps off the screen,
Speaker 1: right if the guy is really stiff. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. If you see a guy that's really stiff,
Speaker 1: and watch some of these drills tomorrow with the offensive
Speaker 1: lineman and when they start kick sliding and they and they,
Speaker 1: it looks like they're getting drugged back the other way.
Speaker 1: They labor. It's a struggle they can't get away from.
Speaker 1: That's the whole thing with offensive lineman. Dave, get away
Speaker 1: from the line, quickly kick and get depth and go.
Speaker 1: I would never dare sugg obviously, I would never dare
Speaker 1: suggest that this is more important than tape. But it's
Speaker 1: almost like like some of this stuff can get hidden
Speaker 1: on tape because you like, you got people slamming into you,
Speaker 1: you got everything's happening. There's ninety guys all over the place,
Speaker 1: and then you get out here and it's just like
Speaker 1: you and a coach, and if you don't look good,
Speaker 1: it shows certain it really certain schemes in college can
Speaker 1: help mask some of those issues. And the I know
Speaker 1: there are several teams that believe this, But the number
Speaker 1: one trait you look for no matter the position is
Speaker 1: how a player holds up in space. I know, linebacker,
Speaker 1: running back, it doesn't matter. How a player holds up
Speaker 1: in space is huge. And so this is why the
Speaker 1: combine exists. Uh, you know, aside from the medicals and
Speaker 1: interviews and all that the on field, that's why they
Speaker 1: don't do these you know, they have these drills for
Speaker 1: a reason. It all matters, and it helps. It helps separate,
Speaker 1: you know, the athletes from the non athletes, and the
Speaker 1: guys that you might be a little stiff in the
Speaker 1: ankles and guys that have that ankle flection that you want.
Speaker 1: So it really is beneficial. I like you said, you know,
Speaker 1: it gets tabbed the underwear Olympics, and there's a negative stigma,
Speaker 1: you know, forty yard dash and that's all people care about.
Speaker 1: But there's a place for each one of these drills,
Speaker 1: and each one of these times it really matter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. And it's always been impressed
Speaker 1: to me if you have tall guys in their ability
Speaker 1: to bend. You know that if a tall guy can
Speaker 1: really get low to the ground. I remember guys like
Speaker 1: Derek Thomas way back in the day Kansas City. He
Speaker 1: was a blur at Alabama. I just remember how low
Speaker 1: he used to get to the ground, and those offensive
Speaker 1: tackles had such a problem getting their hands, no hitting space,
Speaker 1: no hitting surface. Tall guy, and he's dipping and running
Speaker 1: at the same time. You get the guy that can
Speaker 1: dip and run. That's what I liked about Noah Spence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you watch Noah Spence, you always find a way
Speaker 1: to bring your pet cats back. No. But I'm just saying, though,
Speaker 1: if you when you watch guys work drills, give me
Speaker 1: the guy that can bend and can get his shoulder
Speaker 1: down past the tackle and get to the point of
Speaker 1: the quarterback. And so what makes Miles Garrett, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of the favorite to be the number one overall
Speaker 1: pick because that he's DeMarcus Ware to me, you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's the player I see that caliber of players
Speaker 1: six four, two hundred fifty five pounds around there. The length,
Speaker 1: the athleticism, the body, control, the balance, it's all there
Speaker 1: to be a product the pass rusher. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think going back to the original point about what we
Speaker 1: look for in defensive linemen, uh, you know, it really
Speaker 1: comes down to, you know, these explosion drills in the
Speaker 1: change of direction. Got time for one more? Yeah? Sure,
Speaker 1: how about one more? All right? And I'm gonna totally
Speaker 1: put y'all on the spot, but we're gonna do it
Speaker 1: anyway us, okay, Paul. Paul wants to know if you
Speaker 1: could see a scenario that involves a trade up in
Speaker 1: the first round, which fans love that like s like
Speaker 1: they love to talk about the trade up, which yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm and we're gonna do without a player in this scenario.
Speaker 1: I'm you're talking about a guy that you didn't think
Speaker 1: would be in your range? Who And yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you're you're giving up picks, I guess. I mean I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: like right out letting the DeMarcus Lawrence scenario that was
Speaker 1: a trade up in the second but he was the
Speaker 1: last end that they liked and they made a move
Speaker 1: and got him. More Morris Clayborne situation. Yeah, where's yeah
Speaker 1: better a guy that's high on their board, but all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, we didn't think he'd be available here,
Speaker 1: let's go get them asolutely. And I think you have
Speaker 1: to keep that option open. You know, you don't go
Speaker 1: into the draft thinking, no way we trade up. You
Speaker 1: have to keep your an open mind too. Okay and
Speaker 1: go over these scenarios ahead of time. If player X
Speaker 1: is you know, get to a certain point, that's when
Speaker 1: we start making some calls and figure out, Okay, what's
Speaker 1: it gonna take. And I think for me, pass rusher
Speaker 1: is what we're looking at. Yeah, almost like certainly I
Speaker 1: would say, right Barnett, Barnett, I think even Harris, you know,
Speaker 1: if one of these because he passwords aren't going to
Speaker 1: last very long, you know they're gonna fly off the
Speaker 1: board and you need one. Can you really wait back
Speaker 1: and just get your guy? Or do you need to
Speaker 1: maybe move up a little bit uh to go get him?
Speaker 1: I think that very well could be the case this year.
Speaker 1: And if a Barnett, a Harriss, if they fall into
Speaker 1: the twenties to early twenties, maybe you package that third
Speaker 1: round or to go up and get him. Have you
Speaker 1: have no? Five? Yeah? Which makes this tough? It sets
Speaker 1: you back? It does it? Does you go get your
Speaker 1: player if you if you think he's a guy bold
Speaker 1: contribute from day one and help you right away, you
Speaker 1: go do it? And you know what's fun? And I
Speaker 1: notoriously hate doing that. I like picks, but I feel
Speaker 1: so much better about getting rid of ninety two to
Speaker 1: go get a guy that I think can help me
Speaker 1: than I would have getting rid of sixty seven. I mean,
Speaker 1: sixty seven got you MALIEK. Collins, who was number two
Speaker 1: on the team at sacks, right. I So it's a
Speaker 1: way more tenable idea when you're talking about picking at
Speaker 1: the back of the round. In my opinion, if Davis
Speaker 1: from Western Michigan receiver would slide, would you go up
Speaker 1: for him? Slide wearer? He slides to twenty Denver and
Speaker 1: all it takes to my third round, you gotta go,
Speaker 1: You gotta go three to go, get there, come on Denver. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I probably would, But I don't see any way that
Speaker 1: he's gonna fall that far. Well maybe maybe with the
Speaker 1: medical information nobody ever sees. Nobody ever sees it. Dane
Speaker 1: Larry Tunso went nine last while that was a little fourteen,
Speaker 1: I believe even further than Yeah. I mean, if he
Speaker 1: falls because of injury, then it's a little different discussion,
Speaker 1: you know, because you're trading for an injury guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he's a really good receiver and teams are
Speaker 1: passing on him, you know, for a reason. So that
Speaker 1: would be a little difficult, but I think, go out.
Speaker 1: Don't want to cut you up? No, I think yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean Corey Davis is one of those guys where
Speaker 1: he's he's really good. And if I have a chance
Speaker 1: to go get him and all I have to give
Speaker 1: up as a three, yeah, I'm gonna go do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see. This is why I always put out there
Speaker 1: the if you could get Tony Romo to flop the
Speaker 1: Denver situation, sure, where if you could get him to
Speaker 1: reduce this contract Denver just to flop spots with you
Speaker 1: where everything is clean for everybody. They keep their one,
Speaker 1: you keep your one. They get it, so doe they
Speaker 1: get They're they're essentially by allowing you to come up
Speaker 1: to twenty. From twenty eight to twenty, they're giving up
Speaker 1: a third round pick, but they're really not giving up
Speaker 1: a third round pick, right, They're just giving you the
Speaker 1: opportunity to select a player at twenty, which I think
Speaker 1: is the cleanest way to do this with the Bronco.
Speaker 1: How much more exciting does the draft become for us
Speaker 1: if they're picking at twenty and now we're talking about
Speaker 1: a whole new player. We'll be ready. We'll be wrong enough,
Speaker 1: of course, we will be ready. I can't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think I could convince myself to do that
Speaker 1: deal unless it was for a pass rusher like receiver.
Speaker 1: I can let receiver come to me. And I know
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Corey Davis isn't a good player, but
Speaker 1: I feel much better letting that come to me. But
Speaker 1: if you're gonna tell me, Charles Harris is the last
Speaker 1: guy that fits the scheme that Marinelli's really on board with,
Speaker 1: and that's that's the guy, which is kind of ironic. People,
Speaker 1: I have Charles Harris just outside that first round using no, no,
Speaker 1: I know you are, I know you are. Whoever it is,
Speaker 1: I feel if that's the guy that you gotta go
Speaker 1: get go get him, Which it's ironic because that's what
Speaker 1: they did with Lawrence and it hasn't really panned out.
Speaker 1: But whatever. Yeah, all right, Well, hey, thanks everybody for
Speaker 1: twitter on the twenty. We appreciate all the questions. We'll
Speaker 1: do this again tomorrow night, so make sure you are
Speaker 1: following at the draft show. Like I say, that's the
Speaker 1: best way to get your questions in, so hopefully Dave
Speaker 1: will select them and get them answers. So coming back
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Speaker 1: we thank you guys for joining us here. We got
Speaker 1: about out fifteen more minutes left in the in the program.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna remind you too that we want to
Speaker 1: thank Caliber Collision and Tommy John for bringing us out
Speaker 1: here to Indianapolis and letting us participate in this. Dave,
Speaker 1: you put up a pole yes draft at the Draft
Speaker 1: show poll asking would it's been up if if Christian
Speaker 1: McCaffrey was the Cowboys pick. There you got twenty eight.
Speaker 1: My choices were you would flip out in a good
Speaker 1: way or flip out in a bad way. Right, There's
Speaker 1: been five hundred votes in the twenty minutes. That's very
Speaker 1: much for doing that. Seventy one percent of people said
Speaker 1: bad way and said no, get that guy off my team.
Speaker 1: I don't want that surprised by that. They're Dane Brugler. No,
Speaker 1: that's I mean that's what I thought, and that's not
Speaker 1: that's how would you vote on this? Yeah, seventy times.
Speaker 1: Uh no, no offense to mister McCaffrey. Right, Cowboys fans
Speaker 1: are smart. I mean, I I love McCaffrey, I do.
Speaker 1: I think he's an outstanding player. I'd love to have
Speaker 1: him on my team. But for this team, this situation, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, give me a guy that is gonna see
Speaker 1: more snaps. He's gonna impact my team more than I
Speaker 1: think McCaffrey would. Yeah, that's predictable. Yeah, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's Uh, I think it's a good day. I
Speaker 1: think you're right about not to mention. Just get Joe
Speaker 1: Mixon three three rounds later. Oh that's another poll question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon. That's uh. That would be a Cowboys fans like,
Speaker 1: let's they're like, would you draft Joe Mixon in the
Speaker 1: fourth round? It would be like ninety two to eight probably.
Speaker 1: You know the guy that was the most adamant about
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon not being here, and he went on record
Speaker 1: and said it was John Dorsey actually to the general
Speaker 1: manager from the Lions was yeah, he was adamant about
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man, who is the general enter from the
Speaker 1: Live Quinn, Yeah, I'm sorry. I usually know all these guys.
Speaker 1: I don't know Bob very well. Find Dorsey during his
Speaker 1: pressor today kind of retracted that a little bit set
Speaker 1: them a little more and waft. Yeah, but I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what though a lot of guys, it's like I say,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a subject for another thing. March eighth
Speaker 1: will be his pro day, but we thank everybody for
Speaker 1: voting for that thing. Okay, I want to get into
Speaker 1: this for the last ten minutes or so and just
Speaker 1: take your opinion here of as we get to visit
Speaker 1: and maybe not so much us, but you get an
Speaker 1: idea about these kids. You get a little bit of
Speaker 1: a you know, they're in this setting, they're thrown out there,
Speaker 1: they're asked there, ask questions. They do their best to
Speaker 1: to answer the questions. But what if you get a
Speaker 1: kid And this came up with Leonard Fournette today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette's interview. If you go back and watch thee
Speaker 1: he really talked about, you know, not really being a
Speaker 1: football fan. Yeah, you know, And so I want to
Speaker 1: know because I've I've had experience. I want to get
Speaker 1: your guys takes on. What if you get a player
Speaker 1: that comes off as he's that that football is not
Speaker 1: important to him, you know, and especially a guy that's
Speaker 1: a very high pick. And I'm not picking on Leonard Fournette.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, what if what if a player came
Speaker 1: up as part of the interview process and you found
Speaker 1: out he really doesn't love football, but when you watch
Speaker 1: the tape he's one of your twenty best players on
Speaker 1: your board. We have to It's a difficult discussion because
Speaker 1: how do you know he doesn't like football? I think
Speaker 1: that's if you if in your interview process, right, But
Speaker 1: if you get the feeling that he's not totally buying it,
Speaker 1: you know, he goes I played football, I've got a
Speaker 1: lot of other interests. Martelli Spinnett. I'll just use very
Speaker 1: talented football player, second round player from Texas A and M.
Speaker 1: If you interviewed Martella Spinnett, you would see that there's
Speaker 1: a lot more to life than football for him. And
Speaker 1: that's not a bad than you Christian McCaffrey. You know,
Speaker 1: he can play at the piano, he can do all
Speaker 1: these things, you know, I mean, see what he got me.
Speaker 1: I love bringing that up to me. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I struggle with this because it's tough to really and
Speaker 1: I think all teams struggle with this. It's not to
Speaker 1: get in their head, you know. I want to talk
Speaker 1: to their coaches. They're high school coaches, you know. I
Speaker 1: want to find out how important football was to them.
Speaker 1: I don't need to have a guy who loved the
Speaker 1: NFL growing up and watched every game, and that's you know,
Speaker 1: in general, I need a guy game. I need guys
Speaker 1: gonna work hard. Okay, If a guy and that, to me,
Speaker 1: that's a big thing. If if a guy treats this
Speaker 1: as a job, I'm okay with that. You know, there
Speaker 1: are players on the Cowboys right now who might not
Speaker 1: love football but treat it as a job collect a
Speaker 1: paycheck more than fans would probably guess exactly. And I
Speaker 1: think every team does that, not just the Cowboys. All
Speaker 1: thirty two teams have players who might not love football,
Speaker 1: but they like it and they realize that the doors
Speaker 1: that it opens. And that's what I heard from Fournette today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I heard a guy that just head
Speaker 1: over heels loves football, but he understands the doors that
Speaker 1: herd at it. He does. He said he never, he
Speaker 1: never thought that football would give him these opportunities. Sure,
Speaker 1: and so I think he understands that, you know, these
Speaker 1: are doors that are open to him because of what
Speaker 1: he can do in the field. And so I'm not
Speaker 1: worried about Fournette squandering that away. And so I think
Speaker 1: that's where you have to kind of walk that fine line.
Speaker 1: It's okay not to love football, but you have to
Speaker 1: like it enough to the point where you're going to
Speaker 1: work your butt off and you're going to put in
Speaker 1: everything you can because you know what equals the paycheck.
Speaker 1: And I would even go as you don't have to Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't have to love football. You have to be
Speaker 1: you have to be driven by something and whether it's
Speaker 1: whether it's feeding your kids or changing your families, you know,
Speaker 1: social status, or being the best player ever and getting
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. There's plenty of guys that
Speaker 1: care about stuff like that, and like you know, Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott cares about where he is in the pantheon of
Speaker 1: the game. I did not get the sense that Leonard
Speaker 1: Fournette cares about that. But I agree. I get the
Speaker 1: sense that Leonard Fournette will work his ass off for
Speaker 1: other reasons to be good at football. Um, going back,
Speaker 1: very brief history lesson last year, how much of a
Speaker 1: joker who did not care about football? Did Joey Bosa seem? Like? Yeah, great, fair,
Speaker 1: that's fair, that's very fless. He's like cracking jokes at
Speaker 1: the media. He's just kind of like he's like too cool.
Speaker 1: He's got bad posture, defensive Rookie of the Year, double
Speaker 1: digit sacks even though he sat out some games. That's
Speaker 1: very fair. You can you can be driven by plenty
Speaker 1: of stuff other than Honestly, I don't care if you
Speaker 1: don't want to win a super Bowl, as long as
Speaker 1: you're willing to work your ass off to help the
Speaker 1: team win a super Bowl, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: does that make sense? Did you get the oppression though?
Speaker 1: The Cowboys weren't interested in Joey Bosa because they thought
Speaker 1: he was a clown? I mean no, I never really
Speaker 1: got that sense. Would you think that he was on
Speaker 1: their board? Right? You know, you know you know who's
Speaker 1: playing running back for them right now? Right? Who for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys? Ezekiel Elliott? Sure? Is he not a bit
Speaker 1: of a clown? No? He loves football. He loves football
Speaker 1: to his core. But is he a class clown? He
Speaker 1: is joke. I just got the impression that he is
Speaker 1: a big kid. I got the impression that there were
Speaker 1: some people that didn't weren't in love with Joey Bosa
Speaker 1: because yeah, I mean see, And that's that's the fine
Speaker 1: line we're talking about. That goes back to the right
Speaker 1: kind of guy. Whether that's right. I mean, that's but
Speaker 1: you're trying to evaluate these players. But I want glass eaters.
Speaker 1: But those people would be wrong because I look at Bosa. Now,
Speaker 1: if they didn't, you know, they didn't like his demeanor, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's not all everyone on the roster
Speaker 1: is going to be that way. They're not all always
Speaker 1: gonna be wired exactly how you want ideally. Sure, you
Speaker 1: know you've got choir boys, You've got guys that are
Speaker 1: wired to play football at a high level, and you know,
Speaker 1: every single start or every single first round pick, it's
Speaker 1: just not the case. You know, it's just not that's
Speaker 1: not how it works on how people work. So it's
Speaker 1: a fine line you have to walk in. In Bosa,
Speaker 1: I think, is a great example, because you know, he
Speaker 1: doesn't come off like that. You know, student of the game,
Speaker 1: it really cares or important, right, But I mean he
Speaker 1: talked to his coaches and they he didn't miss a
Speaker 1: practice and he gave full effort, you know, week in
Speaker 1: week out. I was wrong about him. Yeah, however, and
Speaker 1: however he might feel about football speaking, I'm very close
Speaker 1: to the l S TUE program. Leonard Fournette is was
Speaker 1: the heartbeat of that roster. I mean he was the guy.
Speaker 1: He paced their practices, he demanded excellence, all that type
Speaker 1: of stuff you want to hear about those types of No. Okay,
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey skipped his bowl game, which wete well, that
Speaker 1: was he was. He wasn't fully healthy. Yes, Fournett gets
Speaker 1: a little bit of a pass there, but McCaffrey was
Speaker 1: healthy and he decided not to play. Now you blame him.
Speaker 1: It's a business decision. You know, he's not getting paid
Speaker 1: for that. He's not getting paid to play in a
Speaker 1: Sun Bowl, you know, right, So I understand I don't
Speaker 1: fault him. But for you, if you're in that war room,
Speaker 1: is that an indication that he maybe he doesn't love
Speaker 1: football as much as you want him to. I think
Speaker 1: that to me, and this is now you talk about
Speaker 1: you have your issues. This is where I have mine.
Speaker 1: I don't blame the player for after what I saw
Speaker 1: happen to Jalen Smith. And I thought Jalen Smith wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna get drafted. Yeah, I thought Jalen Smith wasn't going
Speaker 1: to ever play again in the second round, and he
Speaker 1: went in the second round topt he and he might
Speaker 1: not have gone to the Cowboys if two picks ahead
Speaker 1: of them had not gone off the board. Yeah, yeah, Agma,
Speaker 1: and and the two defensive ends went off the board.
Speaker 1: And now now you could see Stephen Jones and him
Speaker 1: scramble a little bit trying to get on the phone
Speaker 1: to get rid of that pick. But they take who
Speaker 1: was who was way up there on their board. He was,
Speaker 1: he was a top five player for them. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying though, to me, I it it doesn't bother
Speaker 1: me about the guy skipping because I don't fault Leonard Fournette. Fournette,
Speaker 1: I don't fault him after what I saw with Jalen Smith.
Speaker 1: If you were playing for a national championship or in
Speaker 1: the playoff system and they and they decide that they
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. Now I have a little
Speaker 1: bit of a little bit of pause there, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: why are you not if you're letting, you're letting all
Speaker 1: these other you're letting the Brian brought uses of the
Speaker 1: world down. Who's who's not a superstar? Yeah? But but
Speaker 1: has a chance of the National Championship ring And I
Speaker 1: I will venture I guess you will never see like
Speaker 1: a quality football player ever. Do that, like sit out
Speaker 1: of a game that truly and really matters, right, because
Speaker 1: it just bothers me. I would I would be I
Speaker 1: would be very concerned about a player that just didn't
Speaker 1: love football. And I totally respect what you're saying. And
Speaker 1: maybe it's the old school part of these to the
Speaker 1: Jason Witness of the world for fourteen years, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he's done nothing but love football. Who does Jason Witten
Speaker 1: sitting next to in the Cowboys locker room and they're
Speaker 1: like thick as thieves. Cole Beasley who left training camp
Speaker 1: and came back, he's actually Jason Jason. If you remember,
Speaker 1: Jason Witten wasn't too happy with Cole Beason pissed. He
Speaker 1: was pissed at Cole Beasley quit Cole Beasley can't mean
Speaker 1: he came back. He obviously did what he needed to do.
Speaker 1: He took it on and and you know they're brothers,
Speaker 1: just like everybody else takes all different sorts. It could
Speaker 1: be just as you know, a guy with some character issues.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a red flag, it's something that requires
Speaker 1: further investigation, and then when you drafted him, it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a risk. But plenty of character guys
Speaker 1: work out, you know, for the better. Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to say this real quick too. And Fournett's interview was
Speaker 1: not inspiring. I'm not trying to give him a pass,
Speaker 1: but people who do you compare yourself to? Who do
Speaker 1: you model your game after? With the way these guys
Speaker 1: are coached, it's very possible he just didn't want to
Speaker 1: say any names and wind up in the headline. I'll
Speaker 1: be honest, Zeke's interview last year nothing. I ain't got
Speaker 1: nothing out of it. Remember, and this is going way back,
Speaker 1: DeMarco Murray never he didn't want to say him at
Speaker 1: Smith's name, like, he did not want to talk about
Speaker 1: him at Smith. He didn't want to be compared to him.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to again, you know, Leonard Fournette could
Speaker 1: be sitting up there thinking like The last thing I
Speaker 1: need is for Pro Football Talk to write Fournette. I
Speaker 1: see myself as Adrian Peterson, right, And so that could
Speaker 1: just be self preservation. I mean, we sit here and
Speaker 1: we're thinking Scott doesn't watch football football, Maybe he's just
Speaker 1: being smart. Okay, take the media side out of it, though,
Speaker 1: But if he okay, what if he did carry what
Speaker 1: we saw over there into those rooms and you kind
Speaker 1: of got the vibe and you're not really sure how
Speaker 1: to read him. I think you're seeing like he does
Speaker 1: he really care about I mean, you watch the tape,
Speaker 1: you could see he cares about football because he runs
Speaker 1: over people. But is it really his long term? Is
Speaker 1: it his long And when you're investing in a guy
Speaker 1: like Jason Witten, you invested for fourteen years and that's
Speaker 1: what you got. He has driven enough. He has been
Speaker 1: a hyped prospect since he was twelve years old, and
Speaker 1: he has driven enough too. Didn't deliver on the team
Speaker 1: aspect of it, obviously, LS, you didn't accomplish a lot while,
Speaker 1: but he has delivered on every bit of the promise
Speaker 1: of what he could be in terms of his talent.
Speaker 1: And he's here now, so you know he's driven and
Speaker 1: he's a freakish athlete. I would not let any of
Speaker 1: those types of concerns dissuade me from drafting him. And
Speaker 1: I don't think you're wrong. I remember a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago Dominique easily talking to him, him telling me
Speaker 1: that he, uh, he didn't watch football growing up or
Speaker 1: even now, like he preferred to watch cartoons. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure how to take that, right, because it's
Speaker 1: one thing growing up, it's another thing right now. You
Speaker 1: don't again, you don't have to love football. You don't
Speaker 1: have to love the NFL and watch a day in
Speaker 1: day out. You need a release. And I understand that,
Speaker 1: but just the way he came off it was very
Speaker 1: concerning and Fournette and then he had another bad quote
Speaker 1: today where you know, he said, yeah, me and Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cooker friends, like, well, when you talk, what do you
Speaker 1: talk about? You talk about the game, And he's like, no, man,
Speaker 1: we just talk about life, like football players don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about football all the time. And he's got
Speaker 1: a child too, so football And that is a totally
Speaker 1: understandable sentiment. But when you hear a guy say it,
Speaker 1: you're just kind of like, yeah, right, why don't you
Speaker 1: want to talk? No, I just I just was my
Speaker 1: concern as if you go in these meetings or these
Speaker 1: rooms and you're trying to separate these players if they're so,
Speaker 1: you know, is does this guy really love football? Does he?
Speaker 1: Is he passionate about the game? Does he? Is he that?
Speaker 1: You know? That might be the thing that might be
Speaker 1: the stack that puts one guy on top of that.
Speaker 1: It's just something when you're building the board and a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys go through and I mean Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook's answers in that regard were way better. So if
Speaker 1: you think they're close, right, yeah, the tape is great
Speaker 1: on both of them, but what you know what you
Speaker 1: would do? So anyway, all right, well, hey, that's all
Speaker 1: the time we have for the Draft show today discussion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you guys. I want to thank Dane Brugler has
Speaker 1: done a great job here. I mean, he's got a
Speaker 1: couple more days of working with us, He's done a
Speaker 1: lot of interviews around, A very popular guy here at
Speaker 1: the radio row, a lot of knowledge there, so we're
Speaker 1: very fortunate to have him. David Helmet, thank you again
Speaker 1: too for everything you've done. Ken Garrison for keeping us
Speaker 1: on the air. We appreciate that. I want to thank
Speaker 1: also Derek Eagleton back home and Taylor Stern for always
Speaker 1: their help and pushing all this out. We'll be back
Speaker 1: with you guys tomorrow at five pm Central for another
Speaker 1: additional draft show. Be able to talk about some workouts.
Speaker 1: You've got the old line and then the running backs
Speaker 1: going off tomorrow and we'll have some more interviews and
Speaker 1: thoughts for that as well, So stay tuned and we'll
Speaker 1: see you tomorrow. H