WEBVTT - Draft Show: LIVE @ The 2017 NFL Combine - Day 2 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:13.720 Did. He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, Dallas 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:20.560 Cowboys selector Elliott and now your host Dame Brugler, David Hellman, 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.400 and Brian brought us. Well, it's day two of the 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:31.680 coverage of the twenty seventeen NFL Combined from Indianapolis, Indiana. 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:37.159 Brian brought us Dame Buglar, CBS Sports Draft Show regular, 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:41.479 David Hellman, Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show regular, as 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:44.680 well Kate Garrison, Executive producer. We welcome everybody it's out 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:49.360 there joining us today and guys um excited to get 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:54.800 into a little bit of the personalities of these players. 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:58.240 You know, we did see the opportunity to have some 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:01.560 interviews at the podium. We got to see some guys lift, 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:04.640 you know, so again, personalities workout. We haven't seen the 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:08.800 full workout that will take place tomorrow. Uh. The guys 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:12.640 that that ran through us today were the running backs 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:18.160 and the offensive linemen. And I want to get into uh, 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.080 you know, we've talked about how this has become a 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:25.160 media really a event, this part of it. Yeah, talk 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:26.800 about it, Brian. You wrote about it now, I wrote 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.199 about on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and I and I 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.080 I feel kind of a little bit. I hate what 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:35.480 I become. I really I do, and I hate what 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.120 I become. And as Day pointed out as my twenty 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:41.240 fifth year of doing this, coming to combine and I 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.480 I've I felt like as the now the media side 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.960 of the that that I'm ashamed because I'm hurting my 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.240 scouting side of it. But if you want to read 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.120 my opinion piece, please go to Dallas Cowboys dot com 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.320 and do that. I felt like I put it out there. 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.720 I laid it out there pretty well. But the side 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:59.960 that we got to do today and real quick about 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.760 could too. I'll go through the show. We'll visit a 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:04.400 little bit about the sights and sounds things that we 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.080 heard today. Guys that we got a chance to visit with, 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.760 UH do some stuff too with the physical side of it, 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:13.480 the numbers from the press from the bench press over there. 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:15.240 And I want to get into you about the bench press, 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:18.520 because I think you said something that you really weren't 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:22.079 Uh the bench press didn't mean that all that much 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:25.160 for the offensive lineman, and I hope I'm not quoting 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.840 you wrongly there. It's an overrated Okay, Yeah, I'll get it. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:30.240 I'll get into that. I want to get into that. 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.720 But let me set this thing up. We'll talk about 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:35.280 all that we're gonna do twitter on the twenty, and 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.120 then we'll get into some other things maybe, uh, you know, 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.680 we we I got the impression that some of the 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:45.839 guys might not really like football, you know, and just 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:49.120 some of the conversations that we're had, and as a scout, 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:51.720 my ears perked up. Some of the guys are one 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:55.000 guy and some of the guys I think that. We'll 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:57.799 see there's some guys I think that, and I want 0:02:57.800 --> 0:02:59.359 to get into that. And I want to get into 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.280 that with both you because I have my feeling about 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:06.160 guys really loving football, and as an evaluat or where 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:09.840 am I especially at this combine, if I get a 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:14.240 guy that doesn't have that fire, look that fire in 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.480 his eyes, am I going to go away from that. 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:17.959 But we'll get into that in the second half of 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.240 the show, so you can get a hold of us. 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.400 Like I say, we don't have the ability to take 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.000 any calls, which is I'm sorry about that, Dave gets 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:28.480 Ami because I don't take calls anyway. But when we 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:30.440 get back to the Star, I promise to do that. 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.040 But way you can interact with us though, is like 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.720 we do Twitter on the twenty send your questions. You 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.200 should be following at the Draft Show anyway. Kent Garrison 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.480 does a great job managing the account, letting you know 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.840 we're on Periscope or on the different platforms that you 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:49.240 can I had some people on iTunes today, was apologized 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.680 about that. We got that all squared away. So thank 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.240 you guys for everything you do to follow along the 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.320 Draft Show. But if you want to get your questions 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.920 answered today, I want to give you that opportunity at 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.640 the Draft Show. Makes will do that. David Hellman wheel 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.280 Twitter on the twenty and we'll take care of that. Okay. 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.320 Impressions of the Day. I know it's a broad question, 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:11.720 and it's one of those things where you know, a 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.920 kid stands up there for three minutes, stands up there 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:18.200 for twelve minutes, for seventeen minutes, But what do you 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.120 gather in this? You know a lot of these kids 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.000 come from big schools. They're used to standing in front 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:26.240 of the media and talk, and then there's some kids 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.840 that really aren't used to that. Though. What did you 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:32.640 take though from some of the big names that went today? 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:39.120 Four Net Cook, guys like that, Kamara Kamara, Tennessee. Well, 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.080 I mean, and we can get into that, but the 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.480 main the funny thing to me, you know, I already 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.600 joked about how we make this big deal about the 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.720 combine and it kind of just like it takes forever 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:49.919 for the ball to really start getting rolling, you know, 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.040 And then the ball started rolling today. And who did 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.839 we watch? We watch the two positions that the Cowboys 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.839 don't really need, like the strengths of their team running 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.080 back and offensive lines, and and there were plenty of 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:02.800 interesting things to take away, but I just thought it 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.120 was funny. It's like, oh, and you know, every other 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.240 team in the league is like swing tackle out there 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.760 for you. I'm sure, and I know Draft Nerd like, 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:11.560 don't try to throw me under the bus like that, 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:13.360 But I wasn't throwing you under the bus. I was 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.960 just you get my Obviously the Cowboys could use a tackle. 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.160 I'm not sure that my point. But if you had 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.479 to say tooth strengths on this team, wouldn't those be 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:22.760 near the top of the list? Oh, offensive line and 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:27.000 running back? Yeah? Back. Every team in the league is 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:32.000 sitting here like, oh, Fournette, Cook, Kamara, uh, pump free 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:35.040 and oh pump free hunting a lot of good a 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:37.080 lot of good players. But you know, for the Cowboys, 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.280 I'm just like, all right, where where are the pass rushers? 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:41.400 Or are the corners? Oh? Anyway, so you're you're lining 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.120 up for your your focus is now on these defenses. 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:45.839 You're trying to I'm trying to make I'm trying to 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.279 make this squad better in twenty seventeen. But to your point, 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.680 uh yeah. And these were two really interesting interviews, And 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:58.039 I thought, um, Fournette and Cook were really fun juxtaposition 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:02.120 because I thought Fournette was a case example of like 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.120 how these guys are coached to the extreme on their 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.520 approach to the combine and how you know, he just 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.080 wanted to make it as boring as he possibly could, 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:13.960 and he sure did. I mean, I went to LSU. 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.360 I love Leonard Fournette, but that was as boring as 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:18.679 I've ever been a part of. And then Dalvin Cook. 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.240 You know, it wasn't the best interview ever, but he 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.440 was much more engaging, much more interesting, much more willing 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:28.039 to speak his mind. And I honestly I came away 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.159 from the whole thing with a better impression of Dalvin 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.240 Cook than of Leonard Fournette. And you know, I'm not 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.400 going to let an interview dictate sure your NFL career, 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:37.320 but that's just kind of how I came away. Yeah, 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.480 what do you think the biggest thing for me during 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.120 these interviews today was just finding out more about the injuries, right, 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.040 what's going on with the medicals in Dalvin Cook. One 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.560 of the biggest wild cards this week based on the medicals. 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.960 And so he stood up there and he said that 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.560 he passed every single medical test. Now explained to him 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.200 the test. Now we've done research on this. It's the 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.920 labor him. He's had trouble with both shoulders, both shoulders, 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.279 the back shoulder, yes, the back, the front on the 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.280 right side, on the right side, back and front, and 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.600 then on the left side, I think of the front, right, 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:15.560 Is that what I said? Yeah? But dating back to 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:19.440 his high school days, so three surgeries run back shoulders 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:21.320 for a two hundred and ten pound running back, right, 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.280 He's not you know, that's not he doesn't have the 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.720 body armor ideal. He's not a zeke. He's not a 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:30.160 four net in terms of just build a physicality as 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:33.000 a runner. Uh. But you know, to hear him stand 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.880 up there confidently say that teams passed him. Teams clear 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.280 to him. That's a big step for him. Now, obviously 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.480 when we talk to teams, that'll be a little bit, 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.480 you know, make sure just to verify because you know, 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.400 you expect him to say that. But hopefully teams come 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.080 back with similar feedback that hey, you know what he 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.200 checked out. Okay, we feel a lot better about it. 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.360 But what did he do today? Bench press? Yeah, exactly, 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.280 that's the other point. Yeah, that was twenty two. You're 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:57.880 not doing twenty two reps on the bench press if 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.880 you have a sore shoulder or yeah, concern or shoulder 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.920 weakness is another thing too, right, That twenty two is 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.280 more than several of the offensive linemen did today. Yeah, 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.880 so twenty two is a really good number. That kind 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.080 of you touched on it. You know, the bench press, 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.120 and we can touch on a little bit here, but 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.480 it doesn't measure football strength. That's not the point of 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:18.200 the bench pre us. The point of the bench press 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:22.080 is to help with to show your endurance, uh, you know, 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.960 your your weight room strength. Uh, you know, to show 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.840 teams that, hey, I spend a lot of time you know, 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.640 working on my body working out in in that type 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.800 of setting. So that speaks highly of Dalvin Cook and 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.800 the fact that not only does he have, you know, 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:39.839 the work ethic where he's he's able to do twenty 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.439 two reps at two hundred and ten pounds, but also 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.439 with the shoulders it didn't affect him. So a really 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.680 good day for Dalvin Cook. Yeah. I think that if 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:52.079 you're a team, and again we're a Dallas Cowboys show, 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.080 I mean we were, we're employed by the Dallas Cowboys. 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:58.040 We like to keep the draft show as a is 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.800 the best we can. You know, if you're having to 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:02.320 be a fan of another team and you're looking for 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.480 a running back, that's why we're talking about these running 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.040 But we're here for the big picture. We are you 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.079 know again we always talk about to investigate and educate, 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.440 and we do. We you don't even have you don't 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:13.120 even have to make a case for somebody who's not 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.959 a Cowboys fan listening to this. I just I just 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.040 like I said, you should care about these running backs. 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.560 If you should, what happens one of them is going 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.559 to end up somewhere where you don't want them. Not 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.400 only that, but what happens to them, and where they 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.120 go is going to shape the first round of the draft. 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:27.959 I mean, we talk about stuff like that all the time. 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.080 We don't know, you know, is one of these guys 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.520 the top five pick, top eight pick, is somebody gonna fall? 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:35.960 Is Leonard Fournette gonna be there for somebody who didn't 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.199 think so? And then that in turn affects what the 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.120 Cowboys do at twenty eight. I mean, it's all a 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.839 domino effect. It's all linked together. So to sit here, 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.160 and yes, the Cowboys do not need a running back. Yes, 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:47.080 neither one of these guys will play for the Cowboys, 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.600 but they might play against the Cowboys. And not only that, 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:54.680 but where they go could have absolutely what are you 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:58.040 thinking about? We you had a chance to debate Pete 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:02.640 Prisco at your other job, CBS Sports. He was against 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:07.200 the two hundred and forty pound Leonard Fournette, and Fournette 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.600 did say that he was surprised by that. Yeah, he 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:13.520 thought he'd be more around two thirty five the water weight. Yeah, 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.760 and now I'm using this as an excuse, so I'm 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.959 so big. It's the waterway. How much water you've been drinking? 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:23.520 Maybe two hundred and sixty pounds worth of waterway, So 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:26.720 it'll be interesting. I'm using an excuse. Now we'll see 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:27.959 what he is as a pro day. He said he 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.280 feels most comfortable at two thirty five. You know, I 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.520 don't think it's a big deal. You know, Fournette, if 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.839 he's two thirty to two forty, as long as he's 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.080 somewhere in there, I think he'll be just fine. I mean, 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:42.040 people forget that Derrick Henry last year was two forty seven, right, yeah, point, 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.160 I don't remember a lot being made about that. I mean, 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.520 Fournette is a freak. I made a big deal about 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.320 it because I wasn't a huge Henry fan, but the 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.200 big back like that. Right. But you didn't think he 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.520 was necessarily overweight. No, I just think he was overweighted 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:55.400 at all. That's just how he's built. That's how he's built. 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.319 Nothing with Fournette, right, two hundred and forty pounds does 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.000 not make him overweight. If he runs, if he is 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.520 two thirty, does he run that much faster? I don't 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:05.440 think so. That's just think that's who he is. He 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.600 also set up there that you know, if somebody asked 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.760 him to play at two twenty five, he thought he could. No, 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.600 I mean that's what he's comfortable playing at that two 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.160 hundred and thirty pounds. Williams at the combine in nineteen 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:19.440 ninety nine was two hundred and forty two pounds. Okay, 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.400 he probably played more like two twenty five to thirty 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:26.600 throughout his career because he quickly found out that right 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.160 at Texas, get away with it. Yeah, but in the 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.520 NFL it worked better at at a lower weight. Yeah. Well, 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.199 I you know. The thing to me was I thought 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:37.960 was interesting too with Dalvin Cook. Dalvin Cook said he's 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.080 the best running back in this draft. He's not wrong. 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.280 I mean, you get here and I feel like that's 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.080 almost and we think this is a good group of 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.040 running back. That's damn near a consensus opinion, honestly, Like, 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.600 I don't hear that many people standing on the table 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.640 saying Leonard Fournette has a definitively better back. No, if 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:55.319 there's not as much debate about it as I honestly 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.960 thought there would be. Since all right, since the summer, 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.720 Dalvin Cook, to me, has been the top back. And 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.800 I've always said I don't think he's Zeke. I think 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.079 he's a step behind Zeke. But to me, I will 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.280 take him over Fournette. And I love Fournette, He's a freak. 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.800 He belongs in the first round. Cook is just a 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:14.079 better all around back. And if I feel good about 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.640 the durability the long term, you know, ability to hold up, 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.000 and then Cook should be the first running back draft that. 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:23.040 It'll be interesting to see if NFL teams agree with 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:26.280 that or might they go with you know, when Fournette 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.600 goes out there and runs a four four eight, you know, 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.200 at two hundred and forty pounds, if maybe all right, 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:32.960 he just too much of a freak, we can't pass 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:36.480 on him, you know that. See that's the funny thing 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.960 about it, Because I asked you this question yesterday about 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:43.560 would if Dalvin Cook is your number one back, would 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:48.559 a four four eight from Leonard Fournette change your opinion 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.480 about him as far as where you would have him. No, 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:54.719 because I know he's fast now, I mean even if 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:56.679 he ran in the four threes, it's not gonna change 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.040 my opinion, right because because of the tape. Well, and 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.480 for a back, how much does a forty yard dash 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.040 really matter? Well, I mean we've seen with I mean 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.679 with Zeke. I mean it's a four four six maybe, 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.400 but I'm talking about the finish that's four plays a year, 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.440 where like you know, you're straight in, like you know, 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.839 BurnAWAY spin. You know, you could argue it makes a 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:19.120 difference between Zeke and DeMarco Murray. But I agree. I mean, 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.640 tenths of a second on the forty should not dictate 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:23.920 your pecking order. I mean you should decide that on 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.120 something more concrete. In my opinion, talked we talk about 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.240 forty yard dash. I think corner and wide receiver it 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.400 matters a lot more. You know, the vertical and you 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.199 want to see that. But when it talking about running back, 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.560 I care about about the three cone, the short shuttle, 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.240 the change of direction. Oh, now you're speaking my leg. 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.559 I want to see what Fournette does in those drills. Now, 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.240 if he performs exceptionally well or exceptionally better than Cook, 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.000 then now I'm gonna not gonna change my rankings, but 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:51.720 I'm gonna go back to the tape and say, Okay, 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.280 he's a lot better than Cook was, or you know, 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:56.880 just on the quantitative data. Let's go back to the 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.240 tape and figure out, Okay, do we miss something what's 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.079 going on here? I think I think to me, when 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.600 you talk about corners, when you talk about receivers, right, 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:08.079 even linebackers, running backs, give me the twenty yard shuttle. 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:10.240 I will when I when I used to do this, 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.920 when I used to sit in that RCA dome, I 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.240 would go everybody else would go watch other drills. I'd 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.960 sit down there and watch the twenty shuttle. That's the 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:19.920 one that's the drill where they start in the middle, 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:22.800 you go to you know, ten one way with one hand, 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:24.640 go ten the other, and then come back and finish. 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:28.480 Look at those times, those are the one you get 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.880 some guys to get in that under four that's on 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.040 that three cone, that's that's same thing for me. Yeah, 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:34.520 that's how I feel about that. If you get under 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.440 seven in the three cone, you're you're doing some work. Yeah, 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:39.680 because you can't if you're stiff, even a little bit, 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.640 you can't. You can't hide that you're it's gonna be exposed. 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.160 And so the short shuttle and the three cone both 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.880 they showed that not only initial burst, change of direction, 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.840 uh to flexibility, and then the finish how can you close? 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:54.720 So I think, yeah, if you're a little bit stiff, 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.240 you're not gonna be able to hide. You're gonna get 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:59.480 exposed in those drills. Yeah, I I totally agree with you. 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:01.440 I that's what I say. I used to sit down 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:05.200 there and watch guys go one after another, and you 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.760 you could tell, you could tell a lot about well, okay, 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.280 wait a minute, this guy on tape, you could tell 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.600 why stiff right because you watched that, you watched that drill. 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.000 Of these running backs, of these running backs that work 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:21.840 out tomorrow, Who's gonna work out the best? Who do 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.360 you feel like and who do you feel like it's 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.760 gonna be the guy that when it's all said and done, 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.240 we're gonna go okay, that that that kid right there 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.720 helped him the most. I think he'll be cook um 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.440 of the top of those top guys that will work 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:44.400 out the best of the cook and then the fournette McCaffrey, McAffrey, Kamara, 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.760 you know Samuel. I mean, I mean I've got him. 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.960 He might not be eceive, he's hunt. I mean, who 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.560 who of that group do you think will have the 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:55.760 best workout? I think I think he'll be cooked. I 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.120 think McCaffrey will be up there. He came in at 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.280 only two hundred two pounds, only put up ten and 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.960 it was a wobbly ten. Yeah, bench Um, he just 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.240 that's his body type. You know, he's probably maxed out. 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:10.680 So you know, it's talk about him as a feature back. 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:12.200 You know, can he hold up? Is he a three 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:16.800 down player? Uh? He kind of said today he feels disrespected, 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.600 you know, he feels like he is that type of player. Uh. 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:23.280 And So the player that I think I'm most intrigued 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:27.520 about in terms of his workouts is Deonte Foreman from Texas, 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.360 guy that a lot of folks interested in. That one 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:34.120 dominated the Big twelve. Sure's and you hate the defense 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.760 in the Big twelve? What defense exactly? And at two 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.280 hundred and thirty three pounds, I want to see how 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.120 he works out, not not the forty, but I want 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:43.960 to see the change of direction, the short shuttle, the 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.720 three cone because we don't see that film, do you know, 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.560 Because yeah, you see a lot of power, you see 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.480 a like see power. You don't see shifty moves. You know, 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:54.800 don't see miss to make the first guy miss right 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:56.960 because honestly a lot of times he didn't have to, 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:00.480 you know, because that's again Big twelve defense. So uh, 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.680 I want to see how he performs. He talking to 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.960 him earlier, he thinks he's he feels pretty good about 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.000 how he's going to test, and so I'm eager to 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.600 see if he lives up to that. Everybody in mind McCaffrey, 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.359 I mean, and McCaffrey's kind of the forgotten man. I mean, 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:18.600 and he does he does he have a right to 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.760 be that he feels that feels slighted by everybody, probably 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.919 considering how damn good and versatile he was in college. 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.440 And I'm gonna I'm gonna do it again and say, 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:30.440 like I don't is he like an every down back 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.080 in the NFL. I don't know about that, but I 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:35.320 totally get where he's coming from in the sense that 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.840 he feels like I mean, he should feel like he is. 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:39.720 All these guys should be confident in what they can do. 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:43.800 Me personally, And this is biased, but I've I've known 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.879 who Leonard Fournette was since I was like sixteen. I mean, 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.360 he's the stuff of like folklore in right in Louisia. 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.480 Watched the highlights at night? Uh well not and I 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.920 don't not even just college watch safety. He's just crumpled 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:58.720 the stuff coming out about him when he was a 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.760 high schooler, like balling seniors around as a freshman in 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.159 high school. I mean, Leonard Fournette was a household name 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.879 in Louisiana before he ever put on an LSU helmet, 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.560 And this is this is suited for him, And if 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:14.240 he doesn't really really ball out in the workouts, I 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.720 will not only be surprised but disappointed because it's all 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:19.880 been this is what he was. But I actually asked 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:21.480 him about that today. I was like, people in talk 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.160 people have been talking about you entering the draft process 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.320 since before you even got to college, Right, does it 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.320 feel weird that you're actually here, like you're actually doing 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.320 it now? And I don't know. There's just been too 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:34.080 much hype about this guy for him to not come 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:37.000 out and show out. So I'm looking for him to 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:39.760 really blow people away. I'm looking forward to seeing Cook 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:43.680 workout tomorrow. I'm looking forward to seeing Gallman workout from 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.080 Clemson is another one that I think that I'm in 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:51.200 Kamara from Tennessee and then Hunt I'm looking. I'm looking. 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:54.080 I'm looking for those guys tomorrow myself because I've got 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.840 them at certain points on my board and I want 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:00.080 to know, though, is that is the workout, matching the 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:04.520 tape and then you know when you can. And McCaffrey 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:07.040 falls into this too, for sure. But when you consider 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.360 what the Cowboys could use and what each of these 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.960 guys do and where the Cowboys pick, Kamara is a 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.640 guy that really intrigues me, just in the sense that, like, 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:18.679 I don't have to scratch him off the board right 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.840 away like I do with Fournette, and also he could 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:24.280 be a complimentary back to Ezekiel Elliott. I mean, do 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:29.600 you think Cowboy fans would scream yes if they've drafted McCaffrey. Yes, well, yeah, 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:31.600