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Speaker 1: Cowboys selector Elliott and now your host Dame Brugler, David Hellman,

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Speaker 1: and Brian brought us. Well, it's day two of the

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Speaker 1: coverage of the twenty seventeen NFL Combined from Indianapolis, Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Brian brought us Dame Buglar, CBS Sports Draft Show regular,

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Speaker 1: David Hellman, Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show regular, as

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Speaker 1: well Kate Garrison, Executive producer. We welcome everybody it's out

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Speaker 1: there joining us today and guys um excited to get

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Speaker 1: You know, we did see the opportunity to have some

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Speaker 1: media really a event, this part of it. Yeah, talk

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Speaker 1: about it, Brian. You wrote about it now, I wrote

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Speaker 1: about on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and I and I

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Speaker 1: scouting side of it. But if you want to read

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Speaker 1: and do that. I felt like I put it out there.

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Speaker 1: heard today. Guys that we got a chance to visit with,

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Speaker 1: the numbers from the press from the bench press over there.

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Speaker 1: And I want to get into you about the bench press,

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Speaker 1: all that we're gonna do twitter on the twenty, and

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Speaker 1: then we'll get into some other things maybe, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: Like I say, we don't have the ability to take

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Speaker 1: Impressions of the Day. I know it's a broad question,

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Speaker 1: I want to see what Fournette does in those drills. Now,

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Speaker 1: Me personally, And this is biased, but I've I've known

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Speaker 1: would take it away. We talked about this sort of yesterday.

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Speaker 1: We remember Speedy Noile talking about maybe he should play corner.

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Speaker 1: Okay maybe, but and Jabrill Peppers comes into this a

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Speaker 1: in Who's in the biggest need of a position change

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Speaker 1: this could be tackles to guards, this could be safeties

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Speaker 1: to corners and vice versa. Yeah, I think Speedy Noil

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Speaker 1: You know, I think Jabro Pepper's it's not necessarily needs

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Speaker 1: You know, It's just I think that's the more confusion there.

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Speaker 1: molt where right, could he potentially play outside a tackle? Sure,

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Speaker 1: I think it's possible. Uh, just like Zach Martin probably could.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for that. I mean, he was that type

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Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna throw out a guy. Desmond King from

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Speaker 1: Iowa talked about it. Yeah, and I and I the

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Speaker 1: And I've been pushing this one though about him, and

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Speaker 1: Now I know Desmond King could be a great tackler. Well,

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Speaker 1: And we talked about the four or five. Three was

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Speaker 1: not you could see separation. And I physically love how

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Speaker 1: I kind of I'm not trying to get too off topic,

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Speaker 1: the idea of spending a big time asset on a safety.

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Speaker 1: In terms of what you're options, would you rather spend

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Speaker 1: I mean Desmond King, it's sixty trying to think, because

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Speaker 1: Eight Buddha Baker. Yeah, see, like to me, I'd rather

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Speaker 1: have Howard. Yeah, you know, I think Howard's a more

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Speaker 1: slam dunk prospect than basically any safety you're going to

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Speaker 1: have a shot at, right, and so that makes a

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Speaker 1: good safety over the next two years more than they

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Speaker 1: could use a tight end. Yeah point, you're absolutely right, Um,

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Speaker 1: But I think at what point in the draft, you know,

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Speaker 1: does King any of the second round? Yeah, I'd like that.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have a problem at does King sitting there

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Speaker 1: SOB in the way he plays. Okay, I this wasn't

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I don't have your tweet up. I

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Speaker 1: and I agree with the question. I have heard Obi

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Speaker 1: melifon Wu the Connecticut safety jump. Thank you appreciate. I

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Speaker 1: have heard him talked about everywhere from the first round

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Speaker 1: to the third day. I've heard it all. So where

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Speaker 1: what is this guy? What is your range for this guy?

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Speaker 1: I know we've talked about him as a player. I

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Speaker 1: know how y'all. I mean you know, he's not as

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Speaker 1: twenty pound safety. He's not. He's got some coverage to him,

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Speaker 1: he does blah blah blah. But where where are you

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Speaker 1: a chance he could be that riser this year. The

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Speaker 1: I think Melofondo, I don't see. I don't see a

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Speaker 1: when you watch him on tape. This is this is

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about. So, yeah, third, three, four or four.

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Speaker 1: I think second rounds probably his floor in terms of

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna test really well and I first

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Speaker 1: rounds possible. The old man is gonna give you a

636
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: history lesson. You want to say something smarmie right here now,

637
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: the old Man's gonna give you a history lesson. Joey Browner,

638
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: Steve Atwater, big safeties that made it, big safeties that

639
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: didn't make it. Look up Patrick Bates and look at

640
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: Patrick Watkins for the Cowboys in the fifth round. That

641
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: was one that was one of our special days. Talk

642
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: about a stiff guy that couldn't move, couldn't turn Florida

643
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: state guy. Two names, Joey Browner, go back and google

644
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: that if you're too young. And Steve Atwater, big safeties.

645
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: I hope you don't need to google Steve Atwater. Noah.

646
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: But Patrick Bates was a a very high pick by

647
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: the by the Los Angeles Raiders from UCLA went by

648
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: Texas by way of Texas, A and M and so. Uh.

649
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: You know that those are names of guys. They've had

650
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: some big ones that have failed. You mean an A

651
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: and M defender didn't pan out, We didn't pan out.

652
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: They don't even they don't play defensive, can't with the

653
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: self burn and this is a draft for the number

654
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: one player. Not a great thing to say when Miles

655
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: garretts the number one? You got Dave? Uh that dude, Paul,

656
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: love that Twitter handle, that dude, Paul. We talk a

657
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: lot about how corner and defensive end figure to be.

658
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: There a lot of a lot of players here. Good

659
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: question here, who where does it drop off after the

660
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: first round? Like in in Layman's turns. Where are they ft?

661
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: You know, like, if you don't get your guy at

662
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: twenty eight, where is it like you're kind of screwed?

663
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: Oh geez, I'm looking at I'm looking at on my board,

664
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm looking at guard. Would that be kind of where

665
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: it's at? Dane? I mean I've got three centers. I

666
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: got a second center, a third center, uh fln and

667
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: then post Sick and OLASKI are my three guys and centers?

668
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean I could it be a quarterback. Now you're

669
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: saying if you don't get the guy at if you

670
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: don't get the guy, which one about? He's just about

671
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: position in general, which position has the steepest drop off

672
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: as the draft goes? Okay, you gotta get your guy earlier.

673
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: You're not. I think it's tackle personally tackle. Yeah, I

674
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: mean the quality of the tackle. Their names there. To me,

675
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: Ram checks the top twenty pick, and then I think

676
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: there's rob drop off, and then you got Cam Robinson

677
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: and Garrett Bowls, and then you have another pretty sizable

678
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: drop off, and then you got your Taylor Moten's. You're

679
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: Antonio Garcia's. Uh. But those two guys to me, aren't

680
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, clear cut starters? They put them sharp from Florida,

681
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: I mean down the line right, So you know, I

682
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: think there's I think tackle to me, if you want

683
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: your guy, if you want to tackle, uh, a starting

684
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: caliber tackle, especially right away, I think you have to

685
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: get him early. What I just went at you with that.

686
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: I went with the Lamp Dawkins Pheeny combination. Yeah. Okay,

687
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: all those guards go off the board, all of them

688
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: go off to the ground. Yeah, they all go off

689
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: the board in the second round. Now pick me one

690
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: in the third, fourth, fifth round. See, I've got ethan

691
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: post in the third. I know, to me, he's not

692
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: a center. I'd like him as either guard, maybe even

693
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: kick outside the table gigantic center. Right, I don't he

694
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: doesn't like six, he doesn't like tall center. I didn't

695
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: like Glasgow last year. Because of that, well, I grade

696
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: him as a guard, a solid guard, but I also

697
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: had more you have post sick in hered about post

698
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: like Lsu third round guard. Okay, so then that makes

699
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: it because I've got him as a center. But that

700
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: makes it a little bit bearable. Yeah, because I see

701
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: a gap after the second round. Then you go down

702
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: into the fourth round. See, I've got plenty of guys

703
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: in the third and fourth round at guard. You know,

704
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: I probably like some guys better than Nico Siragusa from

705
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: San Diego State. See, I need to do that guy.

706
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: Need to look at Asiata from Utah, same type. It

707
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: did a nice job on the bench today. He did

708
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: um usc guard Damian Mama and you looked at him. Yeah,

709
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of okay. So you've got names.

710
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: You've got names to fill in that spot. So it's

711
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 1: not it's pronounced mama. So we had Daddy Nicholas last

712
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: year and now we got Mama. Okay, good, thanks for

713
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: paying attention to draft. Of course. Oh by it's Randall

714
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: who asked me about Obi Melifon. Thank you, sir, appreciate

715
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: that shape. Yeah, um question from justin given that this

716
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: is going to happen soon. Um, and we've talked about

717
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 1: this before. But whatever, which drill at the combine translates

718
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: the most to success for a defensive lineman, which one

719
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: and interior? I mean he said d lineman. Let's say

720
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: pass rusher for the purposes of the Cowboys. There's two

721
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: drills I pay close attention to, and that's the ten

722
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: yards split, which is just the initial ten yards. Absolutely

723
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: shows that initial explosion. But Tom Coughlin used to time

724
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: every year and then uh, spot it probably returns that

725
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: maybe this year, maybe Jaguar had just break out the

726
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: old Jaguar back. Yeah. Uh And for me, I three cone,

727
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: that that's the drill I love. But you know, I think,

728
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: you know, especially for past Russia joints, that flexibility bend

729
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: right exactly, and that's something in the three cone, the

730
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: L cone or the L drill. You so can you

731
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: do that you get around that corner and then finish

732
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: it right exactly. I think the vertical matters, you know,

733
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: just that lower body explosion, the broad jump, you know,

734
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: and that's those drills. The higher the number doesn't tell

735
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: me that you're better. It's just a threshold drill right

736
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: in the vertical and the broad jump explodes. Yeah, I

737
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: want to see it at least a certain number for

738
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, each position. So I think for pass rusher,

739
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: ten yards split the three cone, those are two big

740
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: ones for me. Yeah, I totally agree with Dane. I

741
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: mean that ten yard if you see a guy come

742
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: flying out of their low, you know, he's got some

743
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: bend and he goes low and then he could plant

744
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: that foot and turn, you know in a small spot

745
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: right there. So I totally agree with him about the

746
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: three cone because the way the three cone just run,

747
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: you have to you go up and then you turn

748
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: and then you circle back, which again shows you the

749
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: ability for the bend, and the balance is another thing,

750
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: and then it has you finish it off coming around

751
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: the corner. You see guys if they get really wide

752
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: around the and they're they're all balance, You're like whoa, whoa.

753
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: And then you see guys that come around the corner

754
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: and they're real tight to that cone and then they turn.

755
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: Then you can kind of get something out of that.

756
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: And we always like we always joke about the underwear

757
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: Olympics and it's not football and stuff, but it's kind

758
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: of it's almost startling how like if a guy doesn't

759
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: look good doing it's just it jumps off the screen,

760
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: right if the guy is really stiff. Yeah, that's what

761
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying. If you see a guy that's really stiff,

762
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: and watch some of these drills tomorrow with the offensive

763
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: lineman and when they start kick sliding and they and they,

764
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: it looks like they're getting drugged back the other way.

765
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: They labor. It's a struggle they can't get away from.

766
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: That's the whole thing with offensive lineman. Dave, get away

767
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: from the line, quickly kick and get depth and go.

768
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: I would never dare sugg obviously, I would never dare

769
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: suggest that this is more important than tape. But it's

770
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: almost like like some of this stuff can get hidden

771
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: on tape because you like, you got people slamming into you,

772
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: you got everything's happening. There's ninety guys all over the place,

773
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: and then you get out here and it's just like

774
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: you and a coach, and if you don't look good,

775
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: it shows certain it really certain schemes in college can

776
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: help mask some of those issues. And the I know

777
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: there are several teams that believe this, But the number

778
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: one trait you look for no matter the position is

779
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: how a player holds up in space. I know, linebacker,

780
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: running back, it doesn't matter. How a player holds up

781
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: in space is huge. And so this is why the

782
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: combine exists. Uh, you know, aside from the medicals and

783
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: interviews and all that the on field, that's why they

784
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: don't do these you know, they have these drills for

785
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: a reason. It all matters, and it helps. It helps separate,

786
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, the athletes from the non athletes, and the

787
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: guys that you might be a little stiff in the

788
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: ankles and guys that have that ankle flection that you want.

789
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: So it really is beneficial. I like you said, you know,

790
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: it gets tabbed the underwear Olympics, and there's a negative stigma,

791
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: you know, forty yard dash and that's all people care about.

792
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 1: But there's a place for each one of these drills,

793
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: and each one of these times it really matter. Yeah,

794
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. And it's always been impressed

795
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: to me if you have tall guys in their ability

796
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: to bend. You know that if a tall guy can

797
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: really get low to the ground. I remember guys like

798
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: Derek Thomas way back in the day Kansas City. He

799
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: was a blur at Alabama. I just remember how low

800
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: he used to get to the ground, and those offensive

801
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: tackles had such a problem getting their hands, no hitting space,

802
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: no hitting surface. Tall guy, and he's dipping and running

803
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: at the same time. You get the guy that can

804
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: dip and run. That's what I liked about Noah Spence. Yeah,

805
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: when you watch Noah Spence, you always find a way

806
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: to bring your pet cats back. No. But I'm just saying, though,

807
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: if you when you watch guys work drills, give me

808
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: the guy that can bend and can get his shoulder

809
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: down past the tackle and get to the point of

810
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: the quarterback. And so what makes Miles Garrett, you know,

811
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: kind of the favorite to be the number one overall

812
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: pick because that he's DeMarcus Ware to me, you know,

813
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: that's that's the player I see that caliber of players

814
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: six four, two hundred fifty five pounds around there. The length,

815
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: the athleticism, the body, control, the balance, it's all there

816
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: to be a product the pass rusher. So yeah, I

817
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: think going back to the original point about what we

818
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: look for in defensive linemen, uh, you know, it really

819
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: comes down to, you know, these explosion drills in the

820
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: change of direction. Got time for one more? Yeah? Sure,

821
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: how about one more? All right? And I'm gonna totally

822
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: put y'all on the spot, but we're gonna do it

823
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: anyway us, okay, Paul. Paul wants to know if you

824
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: could see a scenario that involves a trade up in

825
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: the first round, which fans love that like s like

826
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: they love to talk about the trade up, which yeah,

827
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm and we're gonna do without a player in this scenario.

828
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: I'm you're talking about a guy that you didn't think

829
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: would be in your range? Who And yeah, I mean

830
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 1: you're you're giving up picks, I guess. I mean I'm thinking,

831
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: like right out letting the DeMarcus Lawrence scenario that was

832
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: a trade up in the second but he was the

833
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: last end that they liked and they made a move

834
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: and got him. More Morris Clayborne situation. Yeah, where's yeah

835
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: better a guy that's high on their board, but all

836
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden, we didn't think he'd be available here,

837
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: let's go get them asolutely. And I think you have

838
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: to keep that option open. You know, you don't go

839
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: into the draft thinking, no way we trade up. You

840
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: have to keep your an open mind too. Okay and

841
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: go over these scenarios ahead of time. If player X

842
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: is you know, get to a certain point, that's when

843
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: we start making some calls and figure out, Okay, what's

844
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: it gonna take. And I think for me, pass rusher

845
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: is what we're looking at. Yeah, almost like certainly I

846
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: would say, right Barnett, Barnett, I think even Harris, you know,

847
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: if one of these because he passwords aren't going to

848
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: last very long, you know they're gonna fly off the

849
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,959
Speaker 1: board and you need one. Can you really wait back

850
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: and just get your guy? Or do you need to

851
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 1: maybe move up a little bit uh to go get him?

852
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: I think that very well could be the case this year.

853
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: And if a Barnett, a Harriss, if they fall into

854
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: the twenties to early twenties, maybe you package that third

855
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: round or to go up and get him. Have you

856
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: have no? Five? Yeah? Which makes this tough? It sets

857
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: you back? It does it? Does you go get your

858
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: player if you if you think he's a guy bold

859
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: contribute from day one and help you right away, you

860
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: go do it? And you know what's fun? And I

861
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 1: notoriously hate doing that. I like picks, but I feel

862
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: so much better about getting rid of ninety two to

863
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: go get a guy that I think can help me

864
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: than I would have getting rid of sixty seven. I mean,

865
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: sixty seven got you MALIEK. Collins, who was number two

866
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: on the team at sacks, right. I So it's a

867
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: way more tenable idea when you're talking about picking at

868
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: the back of the round. In my opinion, if Davis

869
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: from Western Michigan receiver would slide, would you go up

870
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: for him? Slide wearer? He slides to twenty Denver and

871
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: all it takes to my third round, you gotta go,

872
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: You gotta go three to go, get there, come on Denver. Yeah, yeah,

873
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: I probably would, But I don't see any way that

874
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna fall that far. Well maybe maybe with the

875
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: medical information nobody ever sees. Nobody ever sees it. Dane

876
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: Larry Tunso went nine last while that was a little fourteen,

877
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: I believe even further than Yeah. I mean, if he

878
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: falls because of injury, then it's a little different discussion,

879
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: you know, because you're trading for an injury guy. Yeah,

880
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: you know, he's a really good receiver and teams are

881
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: passing on him, you know, for a reason. So that

882
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: would be a little difficult, but I think, go out.

883
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: Don't want to cut you up? No, I think yeah.

884
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: I mean Corey Davis is one of those guys where

885
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: he's he's really good. And if I have a chance

886
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: to go get him and all I have to give

887
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: up as a three, yeah, I'm gonna go do it. Yeah,

888
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: I see. This is why I always put out there

889
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: the if you could get Tony Romo to flop the

890
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: Denver situation, sure, where if you could get him to

891
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: reduce this contract Denver just to flop spots with you

892
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: where everything is clean for everybody. They keep their one,

893
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: you keep your one. They get it, so doe they

894
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: get They're they're essentially by allowing you to come up

895
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: to twenty. From twenty eight to twenty, they're giving up

896
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: a third round pick, but they're really not giving up

897
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: a third round pick, right, They're just giving you the

898
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: opportunity to select a player at twenty, which I think

899
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: is the cleanest way to do this with the Bronco.

900
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: How much more exciting does the draft become for us

901
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: if they're picking at twenty and now we're talking about

902
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: a whole new player. We'll be ready. We'll be wrong enough,

903
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: of course, we will be ready. I can't. I don't.

904
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: I don't think I could convince myself to do that

905
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: deal unless it was for a pass rusher like receiver.

906
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: I can let receiver come to me. And I know

907
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Corey Davis isn't a good player, but

908
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: I feel much better letting that come to me. But

909
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 1: if you're gonna tell me, Charles Harris is the last

910
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: guy that fits the scheme that Marinelli's really on board with,

911
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: and that's that's the guy, which is kind of ironic. People,

912
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: I have Charles Harris just outside that first round using no, no,

913
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: I know you are, I know you are. Whoever it is,

914
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: I feel if that's the guy that you gotta go

915
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: get go get him, Which it's ironic because that's what

916
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: they did with Lawrence and it hasn't really panned out.

917
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: But whatever. Yeah, all right, Well, hey, thanks everybody for

918
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Speaker 1: twitter on the twenty. We appreciate all the questions. We'll

919
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Speaker 1: following at the draft show. Like I say, that's the

921
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922
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968
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Speaker 1: here to Indianapolis and letting us participate in this. Dave,

973
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: you put up a pole yes draft at the Draft

974
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: show poll asking would it's been up if if Christian

975
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: McCaffrey was the Cowboys pick. There you got twenty eight.

976
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: My choices were you would flip out in a good

977
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 1: way or flip out in a bad way. Right, There's

978
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: been five hundred votes in the twenty minutes. That's very

979
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: much for doing that. Seventy one percent of people said

980
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,959
Speaker 1: bad way and said no, get that guy off my team.

981
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: I don't want that surprised by that. They're Dane Brugler. No,

982
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: that's I mean that's what I thought, and that's not

983
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: that's how would you vote on this? Yeah, seventy times.

984
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: Uh no, no offense to mister McCaffrey. Right, Cowboys fans

985
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: are smart. I mean, I I love McCaffrey, I do.

986
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: I think he's an outstanding player. I'd love to have

987
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: him on my team. But for this team, this situation, Uh,

988
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, give me a guy that is gonna see

989
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: more snaps. He's gonna impact my team more than I

990
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: think McCaffrey would. Yeah, that's predictable. Yeah, but yeah, I

991
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: think it's Uh, I think it's a good day. I

992
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: think you're right about not to mention. Just get Joe

993
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: Mixon three three rounds later. Oh that's another poll question. Yeah,

994
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon. That's uh. That would be a Cowboys fans like,

995
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: let's they're like, would you draft Joe Mixon in the

996
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: fourth round? It would be like ninety two to eight probably.

997
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: You know the guy that was the most adamant about

998
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon not being here, and he went on record

999
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: and said it was John Dorsey actually to the general

1000
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: manager from the Lions was yeah, he was adamant about

1001
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man, who is the general enter from the

1002
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: Live Quinn, Yeah, I'm sorry. I usually know all these guys.

1003
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: I don't know Bob very well. Find Dorsey during his

1004
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: pressor today kind of retracted that a little bit set

1005
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: them a little more and waft. Yeah, but I'll tell

1006
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: you what though a lot of guys, it's like I say,

1007
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: it's a it's a subject for another thing. March eighth

1008
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: will be his pro day, but we thank everybody for

1009
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: voting for that thing. Okay, I want to get into

1010
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: this for the last ten minutes or so and just

1011
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: take your opinion here of as we get to visit

1012
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: and maybe not so much us, but you get an

1013
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: idea about these kids. You get a little bit of

1014
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: a you know, they're in this setting, they're thrown out there,

1015
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: they're asked there, ask questions. They do their best to

1016
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: to answer the questions. But what if you get a

1017
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: kid And this came up with Leonard Fournette today. Yeah,

1018
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette's interview. If you go back and watch thee

1019
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: he really talked about, you know, not really being a

1020
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: football fan. Yeah, you know, And so I want to

1021
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: know because I've I've had experience. I want to get

1022
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: your guys takes on. What if you get a player

1023
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: that comes off as he's that that football is not

1024
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: important to him, you know, and especially a guy that's

1025
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: a very high pick. And I'm not picking on Leonard Fournette.

1026
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, what if what if a player came

1027
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: up as part of the interview process and you found

1028
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: out he really doesn't love football, but when you watch

1029
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: the tape he's one of your twenty best players on

1030
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: your board. We have to It's a difficult discussion because

1031
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: how do you know he doesn't like football? I think

1032
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: that's if you if in your interview process, right, But

1033
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: if you get the feeling that he's not totally buying it,

1034
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: you know, he goes I played football, I've got a

1035
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: lot of other interests. Martelli Spinnett. I'll just use very

1036
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: talented football player, second round player from Texas A and M.

1037
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: If you interviewed Martella Spinnett, you would see that there's

1038
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: a lot more to life than football for him. And

1039
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: that's not a bad than you Christian McCaffrey. You know,

1040
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: he can play at the piano, he can do all

1041
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: these things, you know, I mean, see what he got me.

1042
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: I love bringing that up to me. I don't know.

1043
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: I struggle with this because it's tough to really and

1044
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: I think all teams struggle with this. It's not to

1045
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: get in their head, you know. I want to talk

1046
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: to their coaches. They're high school coaches, you know. I

1047
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: want to find out how important football was to them.

1048
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: I don't need to have a guy who loved the

1049
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: NFL growing up and watched every game, and that's you know,

1050
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: in general, I need a guy game. I need guys

1051
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: gonna work hard. Okay, If a guy and that, to me,

1052
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: that's a big thing. If if a guy treats this

1053
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: as a job, I'm okay with that. You know, there

1054
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: are players on the Cowboys right now who might not

1055
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: love football but treat it as a job collect a

1056
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: paycheck more than fans would probably guess exactly. And I

1057
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 1: think every team does that, not just the Cowboys. All

1058
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: thirty two teams have players who might not love football,

1059
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: but they like it and they realize that the doors

1060
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: that it opens. And that's what I heard from Fournette today. Yeah,

1061
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I heard a guy that just head

1062
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: over heels loves football, but he understands the doors that

1063
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: herd at it. He does. He said he never, he

1064
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: never thought that football would give him these opportunities. Sure,

1065
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: and so I think he understands that, you know, these

1066
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: are doors that are open to him because of what

1067
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: he can do in the field. And so I'm not

1068
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: worried about Fournette squandering that away. And so I think

1069
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: that's where you have to kind of walk that fine line.

1070
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: It's okay not to love football, but you have to

1071
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: like it enough to the point where you're going to

1072
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: work your butt off and you're going to put in

1073
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: everything you can because you know what equals the paycheck.

1074
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: And I would even go as you don't have to Yeah,

1075
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: you don't have to love football. You have to be

1076
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: you have to be driven by something and whether it's

1077
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: whether it's feeding your kids or changing your families, you know,

1078
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: social status, or being the best player ever and getting

1079
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. There's plenty of guys that

1080
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: care about stuff like that, and like you know, Dak

1081
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: Prescott cares about where he is in the pantheon of

1082
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: the game. I did not get the sense that Leonard

1083
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: Fournette cares about that. But I agree. I get the

1084
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: sense that Leonard Fournette will work his ass off for

1085
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: other reasons to be good at football. Um, going back,

1086
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: very brief history lesson last year, how much of a

1087
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: joker who did not care about football? Did Joey Bosa seem? Like? Yeah, great, fair,

1088
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: that's fair, that's very fless. He's like cracking jokes at

1089
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: the media. He's just kind of like he's like too cool.

1090
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 1: He's got bad posture, defensive Rookie of the Year, double

1091
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: digit sacks even though he sat out some games. That's

1092
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: very fair. You can you can be driven by plenty

1093
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: of stuff other than Honestly, I don't care if you

1094
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: don't want to win a super Bowl, as long as

1095
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: you're willing to work your ass off to help the

1096
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 1: team win a super Bowl, you know what I mean? Like,

1097
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: does that make sense? Did you get the oppression though?

1098
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: The Cowboys weren't interested in Joey Bosa because they thought

1099
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: he was a clown? I mean no, I never really

1100
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: got that sense. Would you think that he was on

1101
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: their board? Right? You know, you know you know who's

1102
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: playing running back for them right now? Right? Who for

1103
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: the Cowboys? Ezekiel Elliott? Sure? Is he not a bit

1104
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 1: of a clown? No? He loves football. He loves football

1105
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: to his core. But is he a class clown? He

1106
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: is joke. I just got the impression that he is

1107
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: a big kid. I got the impression that there were

1108
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 1: some people that didn't weren't in love with Joey Bosa

1109
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: because yeah, I mean see, And that's that's the fine

1110
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: line we're talking about. That goes back to the right

1111
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: kind of guy. Whether that's right. I mean, that's but

1112
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: you're trying to evaluate these players. But I want glass eaters.

1113
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: But those people would be wrong because I look at Bosa. Now,

1114
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 1: if they didn't, you know, they didn't like his demeanor, Okay,

1115
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,919
Speaker 1: you know, and that's not all everyone on the roster

1116
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: is going to be that way. They're not all always

1117
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: gonna be wired exactly how you want ideally. Sure, you

1118
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: know you've got choir boys, You've got guys that are

1119
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: wired to play football at a high level, and you know,

1120
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: every single start or every single first round pick, it's

1121
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: just not the case. You know, it's just not that's

1122
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: not how it works on how people work. So it's

1123
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: a fine line you have to walk in. In Bosa,

1124
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: I think, is a great example, because you know, he

1125
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: doesn't come off like that. You know, student of the game,

1126
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: it really cares or important, right, But I mean he

1127
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: talked to his coaches and they he didn't miss a

1128
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: practice and he gave full effort, you know, week in

1129
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: week out. I was wrong about him. Yeah, however, and

1130
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: however he might feel about football speaking, I'm very close

1131
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: to the l S TUE program. Leonard Fournette is was

1132
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: the heartbeat of that roster. I mean he was the guy.

1133
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: He paced their practices, he demanded excellence, all that type

1134
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,439
Speaker 1: of stuff you want to hear about those types of No. Okay,

1135
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey skipped his bowl game, which wete well, that

1136
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: was he was. He wasn't fully healthy. Yes, Fournett gets

1137
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: a little bit of a pass there, but McCaffrey was

1138
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: healthy and he decided not to play. Now you blame him.

1139
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: It's a business decision. You know, he's not getting paid

1140
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: for that. He's not getting paid to play in a

1141
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 1: Sun Bowl, you know, right, So I understand I don't

1142
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: fault him. But for you, if you're in that war room,

1143
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: is that an indication that he maybe he doesn't love

1144
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: football as much as you want him to. I think

1145
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,479
Speaker 1: that to me, and this is now you talk about

1146
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: you have your issues. This is where I have mine.

1147
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: I don't blame the player for after what I saw

1148
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: happen to Jalen Smith. And I thought Jalen Smith wasn't

1149
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: gonna get drafted. Yeah, I thought Jalen Smith wasn't going

1150
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: to ever play again in the second round, and he

1151
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: went in the second round topt he and he might

1152
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: not have gone to the Cowboys if two picks ahead

1153
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: of them had not gone off the board. Yeah, yeah, Agma,

1154
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 1: and and the two defensive ends went off the board.

1155
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: And now now you could see Stephen Jones and him

1156
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 1: scramble a little bit trying to get on the phone

1157
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: to get rid of that pick. But they take who

1158
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: was who was way up there on their board. He was,

1159
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: he was a top five player for them. But I'm

1160
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: just saying though, to me, I it it doesn't bother

1161
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: me about the guy skipping because I don't fault Leonard Fournette. Fournette,

1162
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't fault him after what I saw with Jalen Smith.

1163
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: If you were playing for a national championship or in

1164
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: the playoff system and they and they decide that they

1165
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. Now I have a little

1166
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: bit of a little bit of pause there, I'm like, Okay,

1167
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: why are you not if you're letting, you're letting all

1168
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: these other you're letting the Brian brought uses of the

1169
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: world down. Who's who's not a superstar? Yeah? But but

1170
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: has a chance of the National Championship ring And I

1171
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: I will venture I guess you will never see like

1172
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: a quality football player ever. Do that, like sit out

1173
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: of a game that truly and really matters, right, because

1174
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: it just bothers me. I would I would be I

1175
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,479
Speaker 1: would be very concerned about a player that just didn't

1176
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: love football. And I totally respect what you're saying. And

1177
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: maybe it's the old school part of these to the

1178
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: Jason Witness of the world for fourteen years, Yeah, but

1179
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: he's done nothing but love football. Who does Jason Witten

1180
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: sitting next to in the Cowboys locker room and they're

1181
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: like thick as thieves. Cole Beasley who left training camp

1182
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: and came back, he's actually Jason Jason. If you remember,

1183
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: Jason Witten wasn't too happy with Cole Beason pissed. He

1184
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: was pissed at Cole Beasley quit Cole Beasley can't mean

1185
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: he came back. He obviously did what he needed to do.

1186
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: He took it on and and you know they're brothers,

1187
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: just like everybody else takes all different sorts. It could

1188
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: be just as you know, a guy with some character issues.

1189
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: You know, it's a red flag, it's something that requires

1190
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: further investigation, and then when you drafted him, it's a

1191
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: little bit of a risk. But plenty of character guys

1192
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: work out, you know, for the better. Yeah, I want

1193
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: to say this real quick too. And Fournett's interview was

1194
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: not inspiring. I'm not trying to give him a pass,

1195
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: but people who do you compare yourself to? Who do

1196
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 1: you model your game after? With the way these guys

1197
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: are coached, it's very possible he just didn't want to

1198
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: say any names and wind up in the headline. I'll

1199
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: be honest, Zeke's interview last year nothing. I ain't got

1200
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: nothing out of it. Remember, and this is going way back,

1201
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: DeMarco Murray never he didn't want to say him at

1202
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 1: Smith's name, like, he did not want to talk about

1203
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: him at Smith. He didn't want to be compared to him.

1204
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,439
Speaker 1: He didn't want to again, you know, Leonard Fournette could

1205
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: be sitting up there thinking like The last thing I

1206
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: need is for Pro Football Talk to write Fournette. I

1207
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: see myself as Adrian Peterson, right, And so that could

1208
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: just be self preservation. I mean, we sit here and

1209
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: we're thinking Scott doesn't watch football football, Maybe he's just

1210
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: being smart. Okay, take the media side out of it, though,

1211
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: But if he okay, what if he did carry what

1212
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: we saw over there into those rooms and you kind

1213
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: of got the vibe and you're not really sure how

1214
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: to read him. I think you're seeing like he does

1215
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: he really care about I mean, you watch the tape,

1216
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: you could see he cares about football because he runs

1217
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: over people. But is it really his long term? Is

1218
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,919
Speaker 1: it his long And when you're investing in a guy

1219
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: like Jason Witten, you invested for fourteen years and that's

1220
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: what you got. He has driven enough. He has been

1221
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: a hyped prospect since he was twelve years old, and

1222
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: he has driven enough too. Didn't deliver on the team

1223
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: aspect of it, obviously, LS, you didn't accomplish a lot while,

1224
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: but he has delivered on every bit of the promise

1225
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: of what he could be in terms of his talent.

1226
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: And he's here now, so you know he's driven and

1227
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: he's a freakish athlete. I would not let any of

1228
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: those types of concerns dissuade me from drafting him. And

1229
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: I don't think you're wrong. I remember a couple of

1230
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: years ago Dominique easily talking to him, him telling me

1231
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: that he, uh, he didn't watch football growing up or

1232
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: even now, like he preferred to watch cartoons. Yeah, And

1233
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure how to take that, right, because it's

1234
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: one thing growing up, it's another thing right now. You

1235
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: don't again, you don't have to love football. You don't

1236
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: have to love the NFL and watch a day in

1237
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: day out. You need a release. And I understand that,

1238
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: but just the way he came off it was very

1239
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: concerning and Fournette and then he had another bad quote

1240
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: today where you know, he said, yeah, me and Dalvin

1241
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: Cooker friends, like, well, when you talk, what do you

1242
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: talk about? You talk about the game, And he's like, no, man,

1243
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: we just talk about life, like football players don't want

1244
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: to talk about football all the time. And he's got

1245
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: a child too, so football And that is a totally

1246
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: understandable sentiment. But when you hear a guy say it,

1247
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: you're just kind of like, yeah, right, why don't you

1248
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: want to talk? No, I just I just was my

1249
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: concern as if you go in these meetings or these

1250
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: rooms and you're trying to separate these players if they're so,

1251
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: you know, is does this guy really love football? Does he?

1252
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: Is he passionate about the game? Does he? Is he that?

1253
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: You know? That might be the thing that might be

1254
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: the stack that puts one guy on top of that.

1255
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: It's just something when you're building the board and a

1256
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: lot of these guys go through and I mean Dalvin

1257
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: Cook's answers in that regard were way better. So if

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Speaker 1: you think they're close, right, yeah, the tape is great

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Speaker 1: on both of them, but what you know what you

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Speaker 1: would do? So anyway, all right, well, hey, that's all

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Speaker 1: the time we have for the Draft show today discussion. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys. I want to thank Dane Brugler has

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Speaker 1: done a great job here. I mean, he's got a

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Speaker 1: couple more days of working with us, He's done a

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Speaker 1: lot of interviews around, A very popular guy here at

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Speaker 1: the radio row, a lot of knowledge there, so we're

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Speaker 1: very fortunate to have him. David Helmet, thank you again

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Speaker 1: too for everything you've done. Ken Garrison for keeping us

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Speaker 1: on the air. We appreciate that. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: also Derek Eagleton back home and Taylor Stern for always

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Speaker 1: their help and pushing all this out. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: with you guys tomorrow at five pm Central for another

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Speaker 1: additional draft show. Be able to talk about some workouts.

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Speaker 1: You've got the old line and then the running backs

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Speaker 1: going off tomorrow and we'll have some more interviews and

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Speaker 1: thoughts for that as well, So stay tuned and we'll

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Speaker 1: see you tomorrow. H