WEBVTT - What Tucker Carlson's Firing Means For Us All 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:11.280 It could happen here. It in Today's Harlance, meaning Tucker 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:16.000 Carlson getting fired, because that's what we're talking about today 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:20.360 is Today is one of our classic timely reaction episodes 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:25.200 to the firing of Fox News fascist and popular anti 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:29.560 semite Tucker Carlson. Today on the show to chat about 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:34.280 all of this, I've got Garrison Davis, James Stout, Mio Wong, 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.600 and Sophie Lichterman. Hi. 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:40.760 Everybody, Wow, how was the last time we got like 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:42.320 the whole crew together. 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.080 A long time? This is a this is the bulk 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:47.960 of us. Yeah. Yeah, And so. 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:49.520 Sophie wasn't here for the com episode. 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:53.520 No, Sophie. Sophie refused to be on for the come episode, 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:54.760 threatening to quit. 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:56.640 Sadly. 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:03.279 Yeah uh yeah. But so you know, today is a 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:06.279 couple of days since we all got the surprising news 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:08.880 that Tucker has been let go at Fox. This was 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:13.039 news that was surprising to Tucker. There's a couple things 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:17.280 that are funny about the announcement itself, namely that he 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:21.280 signed off his last episode saying see you guys next week. 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.880 Fox Play in the messaging they've put out was like, 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.920 you know, we both agreed that he needed to leave 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:33.720 the network, that this is an amicable split. The Brian Kilmead, 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:38.240 who replaced him the next episode with Fox News tonight, 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:40.680 was like, Tucker and I are still good friends. He's 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.920 just decided mutually to take a leave from the company. 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:50.880 This is definitely not true. We'll talk a little bit 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.400 about all of this, but the gist of I think 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.680 it's kind of worth talking about, like why this happened. 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:01.200 As far as we know, there's not, you know, objective 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:06.760 kind of confirmation about why specifically he got fired, but 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:12.560 the broad speculation some articles have like quoted a Fox 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:14.720 News insider who says that it was due to something 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:19.320 either he said in a recorded but unaired episode of 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:22.640 the show, or that it was something that was found 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:26.640 in the emails that were revealed during discovery that was 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:32.440 profoundly anti semitic. I've heard out, like in one source 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:34.880 at least said that it was anti semitic enough that 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:39.799 it might have been legally actionable. That's obviously, like what 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:42.960 the fuck. I would love to know what that specifically means. 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:48.680 But what we do know is that a former producer 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.480 for The Tucker Carlson Show who was a booking for 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:55.960 him is currently suing the network both for a hostile 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:58.840 work environment. She claims that she was exposed to intense 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.360 anti semitism while we're working there, and she alleges that 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:08.720 she was basically threatened into changing her deposition. So the 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.520 lawsuit came alongside her like issuing a correction to her 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:17.239 deposition and saying that she had basically lied in order 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:21.320 like because she was being threatened by people at Fox, 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.240 which is like, So there's a lot going on here. 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:25.920 So that's kind of the gist of what we know 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:31.000 right now as to like why he got shit canned. Yeah, 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.079 that's that's the basics. 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:36.920 It's interesting too that he it's been like a day 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:40.320 now and he has said nothing. There have been multiple 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.520 people who said that he's not responding to his texts, 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:43.920 which is extremely funny. 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:47.200 I saw one. 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:48.920 Report that I don't I don't know how accurate is. 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:50.640 I saw one report that says he found out ten 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.240 minutes before Fox like released a statement. 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.800 Yeah, he was in contract negotiations, so he was in 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:01.040 the middle of presumably getting a Fox to agree to 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:02.440 pay him a shitload more money. 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.760 Yeah, and now he has no money, which is very funny. 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.360 Well, yeah, he'll still probably get a lot of money somehow. 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.160 Yeah, i'd be interesting to see if he like pivots 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:15.920 to something like like o Ann or news Max. I 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.440 don't know if they have the means to pay him 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:19.360 what he would probably see. 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.440 Yeah, No, I mean this is this is one of 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.600 the questions kind of following this and how and how 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:28.200 this decision is gonna affect, you know, politics going forward, 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:32.600 especially with twenty twenty four two big questions being where 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.880 is Tucker going to go and who is going to 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:36.800 take his place? 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:38.160 For the next few weeks. 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.880 Fox is probably just going to be doing like a 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:44.839 rotating selection of hosts until they like make a final decision. 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:48.919 So you know, a lot of people could could end 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:50.919 up end up with that job. But in terms of 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.119 where he's going, there's there's a few interesting options. Now 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:56.560 it kind of does come down to who's going to 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.360 be willing to pay the probably pretty high price, or 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.680 if he's just going to try to stay independent. But 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.520 I think something like Newsmax isn't isn't out of the question. 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.839 I think I think this that this is this is 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.080 just like a guess, but I think there's a decent 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:14.960 chance that the Daily Wire is going to go after 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.720 him really hard. Yeah, he's already pretty friendly with a 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.240 lot of the people there. They've been willing to dishout 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.560 a lot of money for someone like Stephen Crowder. Now 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.279 Tucker will be undoubtedly more, but also he's going to 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.839 be more of a pull, and that that is something 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.680 that's entirely possible. I mean, The Daily Wire already produces 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:37.000 like usually two of the most popular podcasts in the world, 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:38.920 like in the top ten. They already have a lot, 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:41.719 They have a lot of web traffic. They don't have 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.640 like cable, but they get a lot of like other 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.799 other ways to to to to spread their work. 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.200 They have a paid streaming service then they yes, yes, 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.000 they also have The Daily Wire Plus. 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:59.080 Yep, they are. I think that they're probably the only 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:02.920 people in their right that can offer Tucker both money 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.040 that's broadly in line with what Fox could and an 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:11.080 audience that's that's sizable, potentially even an audience that's larger. 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:13.279 One of the things to kind of keep in mind 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:15.360 is that Tucker was going to get out three and 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.200 a half million viewers a night somewhere around there, which 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:23.760 made him the most popular host on cable news, but 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:29.520 also is minuscule based on historical number one, minuscule based 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.600 on the kind of audiences that like you can get 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.960 on streaming platforms today, which are much larger than cable audiences, 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.400 and is minuscule based on like I mean, it was 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.599 like ten years ago that three and a half million 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:44.640 viewers on a night ten fifteen years ago would have 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:49.279 been like an unsuccessful show on ANBC, right for some 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:53.200 For some perspective, the most successful TV finale of all 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.520 time was the Mash finale, which had like one hundred 0:06:55.520 --> 0:07:00.640 and five million viewers. Like cable don't or you know, 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.320 television period does not get the kind of viewership that 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.520 it does anymore. And I think when you're looking at 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:11.360 Tucker he is the main draw for him has to 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:15.000 be the audience. He's not and he's the heir to 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:18.800 the Campbell or to the Swanson, you know, Dinner of Fortune. 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.560 He cannot be motivated primarily by the paycheck, right that 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.600 that that there's He's simply like it. Just that can't 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.880 be the reason he's doing it. It has to be 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:34.800 the fame, you know. And so Daily Wire I think 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.400 is a likely place for him as a result of that. 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.400 Yeah, another thing that's interesting. I thought it is, like 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:44.920 Mea mentioned that he hasn't said anything yet and he's 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:49.520 probably taking advice from his lawyer, Brian Friedman, who incidentally 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:53.200 is the same dude who's representing Don Lemon who lost 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.920 his job on the same day, which which is. 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:01.600 A good year for that guy, It. 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:03.800 Is a good year for this guy. He like, this 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:05.720 is the guy who gets a shit ton of money 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:09.400 from networks when people get fired from networks, like he 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:14.920 has represented like Megan Kelly before. Like, when you hear 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.480 of a famous person getting let go by network, it's 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.480 probably this guy who's representing them. I thought it was 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:24.400 utterly hilarious that, yeah, both of them retained the same 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:27.880 guy on the same day having been fired. But thinking 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:32.280 about lawyering up, it made me think about like Topi 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:37.200 mentioned it that like Carlson defames people, he lies on 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.120 an almost daily basis. Right, we recently spoke about how 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:44.960 he took the statistics of Russian deaths from those Leaks documents, 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.760 that he used the blatantly altered version of those documents 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.840 long after everyone knew they'd been altered. Right, he needs 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:55.400 serious legal clout to defend him from the fact that 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.840 he lies. Into fames people every single day, So like 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.040 going even though he has a sign simple fortune, going 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:03.800 out on his own would be costly in the sense 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:07.160 of like he would almost have to be permanently defending himself. 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.199 Yeah, and I think I think this is one of 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.800 the things where, well, I'm it's not clear to me 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:13.839 what the impact of the Alex Johones trial has been, 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:15.320 but this is one of those things where I think 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.959 the dominion people actually just nailing Fox to the wall 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.280 is going to be a sort of big factor here 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.120 because it makes it seem easier and more plausible on 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.440 things that like lawyers are willing to risk getting in 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:30.719 fights about for actually going after these people, for just 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.880 like defending people. And so yeah, it'll be it'll be 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:37.800 interesting to see, like how how long Tucker can last 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:39.560 on his own before he gets into a giant court 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:43.440 battle with someone, and whether he is I don't know, 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.439 attempts to be slightly more careful. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.840 Yeah, like I yeah, exactly, I didn't think if he's 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:51.840 if he goes to YouTube or don't think he's not 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.440 going to be spending his his frozen dinner fortune on 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.520 legal fees. I don't think. So he just and he 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:59.360 can't do what he does without spouting shit, right, Like 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:03.160 his right thing is just straight up lying and doing 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.679 this sort of credulous fool routine that he does, which 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.800 always results in these ridiculous conclusions that he comes to. 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:12.080 So like, I don't know with that, maybe the daily 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:13.640 why I can sudstain that I don't really have a 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.520 good sense of sort of their clout if people aren't familiar. 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.800 Should we summarize the Dominion case? I know you've spoken 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:21.600 about it on Fast. 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.680 Yeah I did. I mean, you can listen to the 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:27.000 two parter I did with Katie and Cody on the 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.880 Dominion lawsuit where we basically just go over the entire 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:34.160 document that Dominion prepared for that. But the gist of 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:38.000 it is that Tucker knowingly and knowingly We know that 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:42.600 he knew because the discovery process revealed a bunch of 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:45.440 his text messages and emails where he talked about knowing 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:52.120 that the election fraud conspiracy theory was bullshit and he 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.800 propagated it and attacks against Dominion and another company, smart Matic, 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:00.440 in order to keep his audience on board, which is 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.440 a criminal you know, defamation or not criminal, but at 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.600 least like legally actionable you can sue as as Dominion 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.200 did and one like eight hundred million bucks. So and 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:12.520 I do think that's really worth that. That is kind 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.160 of pertinent when we're talking about who's going to take 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:18.520 him next, because like, obviously the Daily Wire would want 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.960 a guy like Tucker except for the fact that he 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.640 could cost them another eight hundred million dollars, which has 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:26.480 to be has to be part of the calculus of 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.480 any company looking at taking him on. And I think 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.200 is something none of us, nobody really knows what's going 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:33.600 to happen with this, but I think there is a 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:38.320 good chance he is permanently marginalized in terms of audience 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:42.320 just because of how much like eight hundred million dollars 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.760 is not enough to sink Fox on its own, but 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.000 it is enough to make anybody looking at bringing Tucker 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.240 on board the second guest himself. 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:53.439 Yeah, I SA also numbers that were I think I 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.880 think they were saying he was bringing in the highest 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.360 like amount of revenue of any like like him will 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.240 do his anchor, but was like it was like seventy 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.360 eight million dollars a year and he lost like so 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.480 he lost ten years of his income. 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:12.320 He basically lost everything he'd made Fox during the time 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.240 when he was the number one Kettle news house. 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.200 Yeah, and that has to be that has to be 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.960 a huge part of the coculus of like, Okay, you 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.520 know these are these people like as as as as 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.319 much as the right is ideological, it is also capitalist 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.720 and the risk award on that is terrifying. 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.120 Yeah, and I like, especially when it comes to the 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:35.040 Daily Wire, a cost like that would just probably make 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:36.559 their entire company fold. 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:38.719 Because they don't have Murdock behind them. 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:41.600 They're not they're they're not that big of a company. 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.920 They just have a disproportionate amount of influence because their 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:48.280 hosts are really good at like marketing and social media manipulation. 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I ad revenue now would be a 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.080 great time for us to pivot to And there's some 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:55.480 go to coins with Reagan. 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:58.240 Oh yeah yeah. You can hear the ads for the 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:02.360 new podcasts that are your colleague Tucker Carlson's gonna be doing. 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's way heyman, Don Lemon just. 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:08.480 Have yeah, him and Don Lemon, we we're calling it. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:09.320 Uh. 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.240 I don't know, there's there's a good there's a good 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.640 there's a good joke with their two names somewhere. I 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.000 haven't figured it out yet though, So you do that 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:31.320 for yourselves, audience. Ah, what a good what a good 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:34.880 time that we're talking about here. This is just just 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:39.680 a just a great day, great week. Uh So, yeah, 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:41.880 we're looking at you know, I think kind of when 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:46.280 we're talking about what's possible here and Daily Wirey agree 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.360 is kind of the most likely thing. If you look 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:51.480 at what leaked recently during their drama with Stephen Crowder. 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.199 The contract that we're offering Crowder was somewhere around thirty 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.480 million dollars, which from everything people have said, is a 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:59.560 big deal for them. That's one of the biggest bigger 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:04.800 offerings as they're capable of doing. Uh. That is, you know, 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:10.040 probably the most Tucker is realistically going to be able 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:13.720 to get. But also, uh, one of the things that 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:15.880 kind of is noteworthy about the contract they were offering 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:20.000 Crowder is that it included clauses where like crowders take 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:24.360 home could be reduced significantly if he got kicked off 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:28.800 of platforms and fucking Tucker Carlson is not going to 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.320 keep it a YouTube count. 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.480 I mean it is. It is interesting in that sense 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:39.960 of like they were they all of his content was 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.920 able to be kept up when he was under Fox, 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.240 Like on YouTube you can find all of his segments, 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.640 and it'd be interesting to see how the content moderation 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.280 differs if like he starts his own channel and how 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:54.760 and how comparatively what things would be would be counted 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.760 as like community guideline strikes. But yeah, I mean just 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:01.520 I think I think, like last week Matt Walsh's show 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:05.680 got demonetized on YouTube, which if his contract is anything 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:08.000 like the Crowtters, means that he is going to be 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.120 suffering up like a personal financial hit. 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:14.160 Yeah, he's they're taking probably you know, in the millions 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:14.960 that he's losing. 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.040 Yeah, And there's something I think this is an interesting 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:22.040 thing that's been happening in the last maybe like six months, 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:27.720 has been there's there's been sort of increasing tension between 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:32.040 sort of the far right that's basically sees control the 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:35.680 Republican Party and like the money, and they keep running 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.480 into these issues where in order to keep their base going, 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.200 they need to say stuff that like their sort of 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.720 like corporate backers are like this is either losing us 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:48.480 money or is so far out there that like it's 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:50.960 you know, it's it's either directly losing US money from lawsuits, 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:55.200 or it's losing US elections, or it's losing us like business. 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:56.840 And now I'm never. 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.440 Gonna claim that like Murdoch is not the far right, 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:03.520 because he is is. But it's interesting that we've gotten 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:07.200 to a point where people like Murdoch are getting more 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:11.280 gun shy about what they can put on air because 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:14.960 it's finally like the money is finally starting to see 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:17.280 actual consequences, and they're starting to pull back from the 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:18.080 stuff a little bit. 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:22.280 Well, see, that's part of what I'm questioning is I'm 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:26.000 sure that that is something that's entering his calculus more 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:30.360 now since the settlement, but it's at least the early 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.760 reporting suggests that's not really why, or at least not 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.000 most of the reason why Tucker got shit canned. It's 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:39.600 a bunch of shit like stuff that is not revealed 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.280 yet in the deposition that he was saying an email, 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:43.840 I mean, one of the things came out that woman 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.800 who is accusing him of creating a sexist and anti 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:51.000 semitic work environment, is that he like when she got hired, 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:55.880 he plastered swimsuit photos of Nancy Pelosi over her office 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.280 and that's what we've heard, like the shit that, Like, 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:05.760 I think it's possible, uh that what actually got Murdoch 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:09.240 to make the call to can him is that he 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.639 Murdoch himself found out through discovery that he was saying 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:17.960 shit in emails that would sink the company, Like if 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:21.400 he's saying full on Nazi shit. Yeah, and there's there's 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:26.560 documentation of that, which I don't think is unlikely on it, 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:27.560 like yeah. 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.359 There's no there's there's there's no there's no limit at. 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:32.400 That point, like yeah, no, the like clearly that ship 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.000 aligns with his views, and he's made a concerted effort 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:38.320 to mainstream more and more outright fascist and genesis white 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:41.520 supremacist talking points every year that he's had that show. 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.040 So it would not especially when they got his text messages, 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.680 Like he might be smart enough not to like maybe 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.840 use his work email. But I think that the fact 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:54.560 that there were some things in his text messages and yeah, 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:56.920 that wouldn't surprise me. It's either that or he said 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:01.720 something personal about one of the Murdochs and they. 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:05.440 Well he did. He did talk shit about Fox executives, 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:10.280 which some people have suggested as like part of why 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.280 they made the decision. It can him that he actually 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:16.760 just pissed off the moneymen too, and this was kind 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:21.440 of an excuse to take more action. Again, like it's 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.000 it's it's kind of unclear exactly what happened. I think 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.439 it's probably worth talking about in the last portion of 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:30.280 this what impact, because it is likely that whatever happens, 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:35.840 He's he's going to have less reach, and at least 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.600 less reach in like a practical way. Because if Tucker 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.480 starts a podcast, even if the podcast has kind of 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:43.439 more you know, through Daily Wire or whatever, even if 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:48.600 it's got on paper more listeners than Fox, I think 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:54.879 there's something about cable news where you're reaching an audience 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:58.120 that's that's different with the ideas that he was He's 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:00.840 when he was on Fox, he was hitting people who 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:04.160 would never have encountered some of this like fascist shit, 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:08.359 this great replacement stuff, Whereas if he's saying the same 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:12.879 thing on a Daily Wire podcast, he's probably talking more 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.879 to people who are already pilled, so to speak. So 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.760 I do think there's a good chance that overall this 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:22.840 kind of tanks his ability to. 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.000 Actually like influence culture in a meaningful way. 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:31.159 Radicalize boomers, like everyone listening can probably think of a 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:33.840 person who they know or is in their sort of 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.000 greatest circle of people who their friends know, who is 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.560 an older person who is very much offline and has 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.720 encountered these great replacement ideas through Tucker Carlson and become 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.400 a significantly worse person because of Tucker Carlson's program. 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:49.359 Yeah, I mean, and you can see how all of 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.240 the Daily Wire guys like like Walsh and Mike, Michael 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.359 Noles and even someone like Andy No, they suck up 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.640 to Carlson so much and have been for the past 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.159 few years because they realize that that actually gives the 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.840 cultural access to be on his show on that platform 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:05.760 in a way that they're much. 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:06.760 More like Peterson too. 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:09.920 Pete Peterson, Sure, I think pet Peterson's broken into the mainstream. 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:10.720 I think a bit more. 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:14.560 But like all of these other guys like Andy No, Walsh, Knowles, 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:19.560 they're all heavily like Internet people, and they influence like 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:23.560 Internet shit, and sometimes that can start crossing over. But 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:27.680 in general, the cable news platform kind of reiffies things 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:31.640 into broader culture in a way that someone like Walsh 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:37.280 just doesn't because he's like most people don't know who Walshes. 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:41.159 But most people do know who Tucker is, and. 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:44.880 That is my dad is lifelong Republican voter. And when 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:47.720 I talked to him complaining about shit Matt Walsh is doing, 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:49.400 Like the first thing he said was like, I've never 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.200 heard of this guy. Yeah, And it's like, yeah, because 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:55.080 he's he's a fucking internet weirdo. And my dad doesn't 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:58.440 you know, he knows Ben Shapiro because Ben breaks through 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:00.840 to the mainstream, but he knows Been Shapiro from like 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:04.720 catching clips of him randomly being shared on Facebook by 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:07.239 other people in his age group, as opposed to like 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.720 seeking this shit out. And that's kind of the power 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:12.960 of Tucker. And I think one of the things you've 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:16.240 seen Gear that you were kind of talking at, which 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:20.159 is the thing that is maybe most hopeful to me, 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.800 is how scared people like Andy know Glenn Greenwald flip 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:27.240 the fuck out when this gun announced because they see 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:29.920 this is a major threat to their reach into their 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:34.480 earning potential. Yeah, Tucker can't host them anymore. That's potentially 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:37.520 disastrous for them. And the fact that that's happening right 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:40.119 as we're gearing up for twenty twenty four is something 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:42.480 I'm hopeful about at least I'll say. 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:48.080 Right, it is a massive like rejection of that platform 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.760 to yeah, people like that like this type of like 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.959 rhetoric that Tucker is doing. Having this be like publicly 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:56.320 rejected in this way will make all these people that 0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:59.399 are more on the fringes probably make it harder for 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.480 them to breakthrough in little ways like they used to 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:05.240 try to by being on Tucker is a show. 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:26.840 Speaking of reifying things into the broader culture by these products. 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:27.920 In Okay, So there's one other thing that I we've 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:29.440 could have been touching on it, but I think it's 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:33.320 really interesting is that Tucker. Tucker basically has a sort 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:35.760 of media ecosystem that revolves around him. And you know, 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:39.840