1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: It could happen here. It in Today's Harlance, meaning Tucker 2 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: Carlson getting fired, because that's what we're talking about today 3 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: is Today is one of our classic timely reaction episodes 4 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: to the firing of Fox News fascist and popular anti 5 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: semite Tucker Carlson. Today on the show to chat about 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: all of this, I've got Garrison Davis, James Stout, Mio Wong, 7 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: and Sophie Lichterman. Hi. 8 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: Everybody, Wow, how was the last time we got like 9 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: the whole crew together. 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: A long time? This is a this is the bulk 11 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: of us. Yeah. Yeah, And so. 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 3: Sophie wasn't here for the com episode. 13 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: No, Sophie. Sophie refused to be on for the come episode, 14 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: threatening to quit. 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 3: Sadly. 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: Yeah uh yeah. But so you know, today is a 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,279 Speaker 1: couple of days since we all got the surprising news 18 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: that Tucker has been let go at Fox. This was 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: news that was surprising to Tucker. There's a couple things 20 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: that are funny about the announcement itself, namely that he 21 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: signed off his last episode saying see you guys next week. 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: Fox Play in the messaging they've put out was like, 23 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: you know, we both agreed that he needed to leave 24 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: the network, that this is an amicable split. The Brian Kilmead, 25 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: who replaced him the next episode with Fox News tonight, 26 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: was like, Tucker and I are still good friends. He's 27 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: just decided mutually to take a leave from the company. 28 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: This is definitely not true. We'll talk a little bit 29 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: about all of this, but the gist of I think 30 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of worth talking about, like why this happened. 31 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: As far as we know, there's not, you know, objective 32 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: kind of confirmation about why specifically he got fired, but 33 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: the broad speculation some articles have like quoted a Fox 34 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: News insider who says that it was due to something 35 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: either he said in a recorded but unaired episode of 36 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: the show, or that it was something that was found 37 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: in the emails that were revealed during discovery that was 38 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: profoundly anti semitic. I've heard out, like in one source 39 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: at least said that it was anti semitic enough that 40 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: it might have been legally actionable. That's obviously, like what 41 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: the fuck. I would love to know what that specifically means. 42 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: But what we do know is that a former producer 43 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: for The Tucker Carlson Show who was a booking for 44 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: him is currently suing the network both for a hostile 45 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: work environment. She claims that she was exposed to intense 46 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: anti semitism while we're working there, and she alleges that 47 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: she was basically threatened into changing her deposition. So the 48 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: lawsuit came alongside her like issuing a correction to her 49 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: deposition and saying that she had basically lied in order 50 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: like because she was being threatened by people at Fox, 51 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: which is like, So there's a lot going on here. 52 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: So that's kind of the gist of what we know 53 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: right now as to like why he got shit canned. Yeah, 54 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: that's that's the basics. 55 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: It's interesting too that he it's been like a day 56 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: now and he has said nothing. There have been multiple 57 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: people who said that he's not responding to his texts, 58 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: which is extremely funny. 59 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: I saw one. 60 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: Report that I don't I don't know how accurate is. 61 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: I saw one report that says he found out ten 62 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: minutes before Fox like released a statement. 63 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was in contract negotiations, so he was in 64 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: the middle of presumably getting a Fox to agree to 65 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: pay him a shitload more money. 66 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and now he has no money, which is very funny. 67 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, he'll still probably get a lot of money somehow. 68 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd be interesting to see if he like pivots 69 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 3: to something like like o Ann or news Max. I 70 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 3: don't know if they have the means to pay him 71 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 3: what he would probably see. 72 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I mean this is this is one of 73 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 4: the questions kind of following this and how and how 74 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 4: this decision is gonna affect, you know, politics going forward, 75 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 4: especially with twenty twenty four two big questions being where 76 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 4: is Tucker going to go and who is going to 77 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 4: take his place? 78 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: For the next few weeks. 79 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 4: Fox is probably just going to be doing like a 80 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 4: rotating selection of hosts until they like make a final decision. 81 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 4: So you know, a lot of people could could end 82 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 4: up end up with that job. But in terms of 83 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,119 Speaker 4: where he's going, there's there's a few interesting options. Now 84 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 4: it kind of does come down to who's going to 85 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 4: be willing to pay the probably pretty high price, or 86 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 4: if he's just going to try to stay independent. But 87 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 4: I think something like Newsmax isn't isn't out of the question. 88 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 4: I think I think this that this is this is 89 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 4: just like a guess, but I think there's a decent 90 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 4: chance that the Daily Wire is going to go after 91 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 4: him really hard. Yeah, he's already pretty friendly with a 92 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 4: lot of the people there. They've been willing to dishout 93 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 4: a lot of money for someone like Stephen Crowder. Now 94 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 4: Tucker will be undoubtedly more, but also he's going to 95 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 4: be more of a pull, and that that is something 96 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 4: that's entirely possible. I mean, The Daily Wire already produces 97 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 4: like usually two of the most popular podcasts in the world, 98 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 4: like in the top ten. They already have a lot, 99 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 4: They have a lot of web traffic. They don't have 100 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 4: like cable, but they get a lot of like other 101 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 4: other ways to to to to spread their work. 102 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: They have a paid streaming service then they yes, yes, 103 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: they also have The Daily Wire Plus. 104 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: Yep, they are. I think that they're probably the only 105 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: people in their right that can offer Tucker both money 106 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: that's broadly in line with what Fox could and an 107 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: audience that's that's sizable, potentially even an audience that's larger. 108 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: One of the things to kind of keep in mind 109 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: is that Tucker was going to get out three and 110 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: a half million viewers a night somewhere around there, which 111 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: made him the most popular host on cable news, but 112 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: also is minuscule based on historical number one, minuscule based 113 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: on the kind of audiences that like you can get 114 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: on streaming platforms today, which are much larger than cable audiences, 115 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: and is minuscule based on like I mean, it was 116 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: like ten years ago that three and a half million 117 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: viewers on a night ten fifteen years ago would have 118 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: been like an unsuccessful show on ANBC, right for some 119 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: For some perspective, the most successful TV finale of all 120 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: time was the Mash finale, which had like one hundred 121 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: and five million viewers. Like cable don't or you know, 122 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: television period does not get the kind of viewership that 123 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: it does anymore. And I think when you're looking at 124 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: Tucker he is the main draw for him has to 125 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: be the audience. He's not and he's the heir to 126 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: the Campbell or to the Swanson, you know, Dinner of Fortune. 127 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: He cannot be motivated primarily by the paycheck, right that 128 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: that that there's He's simply like it. Just that can't 129 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: be the reason he's doing it. It has to be 130 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: the fame, you know. And so Daily Wire I think 131 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: is a likely place for him as a result of that. 132 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, another thing that's interesting. I thought it is, like 133 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: Mea mentioned that he hasn't said anything yet and he's 134 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: probably taking advice from his lawyer, Brian Friedman, who incidentally 135 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: is the same dude who's representing Don Lemon who lost 136 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: his job on the same day, which which is. 137 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: A good year for that guy, It. 138 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 3: Is a good year for this guy. He like, this 139 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 3: is the guy who gets a shit ton of money 140 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: from networks when people get fired from networks, like he 141 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 3: has represented like Megan Kelly before. Like, when you hear 142 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: of a famous person getting let go by network, it's 143 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 3: probably this guy who's representing them. I thought it was 144 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 3: utterly hilarious that, yeah, both of them retained the same 145 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 3: guy on the same day having been fired. But thinking 146 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 3: about lawyering up, it made me think about like Topi 147 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 3: mentioned it that like Carlson defames people, he lies on 148 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 3: an almost daily basis. Right, we recently spoke about how 149 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 3: he took the statistics of Russian deaths from those Leaks documents, 150 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: that he used the blatantly altered version of those documents 151 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 3: long after everyone knew they'd been altered. Right, he needs 152 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 3: serious legal clout to defend him from the fact that 153 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 3: he lies. Into fames people every single day, So like 154 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 3: going even though he has a sign simple fortune, going 155 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 3: out on his own would be costly in the sense 156 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: of like he would almost have to be permanently defending himself. 157 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I think this is one of 158 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: the things where, well, I'm it's not clear to me 159 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 2: what the impact of the Alex Johones trial has been, 160 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 2: but this is one of those things where I think 161 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 2: the dominion people actually just nailing Fox to the wall 162 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: is going to be a sort of big factor here 163 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: because it makes it seem easier and more plausible on 164 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 2: things that like lawyers are willing to risk getting in 165 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 2: fights about for actually going after these people, for just 166 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: like defending people. And so yeah, it'll be it'll be 167 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: interesting to see, like how how long Tucker can last 168 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 2: on his own before he gets into a giant court 169 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 2: battle with someone, and whether he is I don't know, 170 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 2: attempts to be slightly more careful. 171 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, like I yeah, exactly, I didn't think if he's 172 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 3: if he goes to YouTube or don't think he's not 173 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 3: going to be spending his his frozen dinner fortune on 174 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: legal fees. I don't think. So he just and he 175 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: can't do what he does without spouting shit, right, Like 176 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 3: his right thing is just straight up lying and doing 177 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 3: this sort of credulous fool routine that he does, which 178 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 3: always results in these ridiculous conclusions that he comes to. 179 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 3: So like, I don't know with that, maybe the daily 180 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 3: why I can sudstain that I don't really have a 181 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 3: good sense of sort of their clout if people aren't familiar. 182 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: Should we summarize the Dominion case? I know you've spoken 183 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 3: about it on Fast. 184 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: Yeah I did. I mean, you can listen to the 185 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: two parter I did with Katie and Cody on the 186 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: Dominion lawsuit where we basically just go over the entire 187 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: document that Dominion prepared for that. But the gist of 188 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: it is that Tucker knowingly and knowingly We know that 189 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: he knew because the discovery process revealed a bunch of 190 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: his text messages and emails where he talked about knowing 191 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: that the election fraud conspiracy theory was bullshit and he 192 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: propagated it and attacks against Dominion and another company, smart Matic, 193 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: in order to keep his audience on board, which is 194 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: a criminal you know, defamation or not criminal, but at 195 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: least like legally actionable you can sue as as Dominion 196 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: did and one like eight hundred million bucks. So and 197 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: I do think that's really worth that. That is kind 198 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: of pertinent when we're talking about who's going to take 199 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: him next, because like, obviously the Daily Wire would want 200 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: a guy like Tucker except for the fact that he 201 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: could cost them another eight hundred million dollars, which has 202 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: to be has to be part of the calculus of 203 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: any company looking at taking him on. And I think 204 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: is something none of us, nobody really knows what's going 205 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: to happen with this, but I think there is a 206 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: good chance he is permanently marginalized in terms of audience 207 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: just because of how much like eight hundred million dollars 208 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: is not enough to sink Fox on its own, but 209 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: it is enough to make anybody looking at bringing Tucker 210 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: on board the second guest himself. 211 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I SA also numbers that were I think I 212 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: think they were saying he was bringing in the highest 213 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: like amount of revenue of any like like him will 214 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 2: do his anchor, but was like it was like seventy 215 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: eight million dollars a year and he lost like so 216 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: he lost ten years of his income. 217 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: He basically lost everything he'd made Fox during the time 218 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: when he was the number one Kettle news house. 219 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that has to be that has to be 220 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 2: a huge part of the coculus of like, Okay, you 221 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: know these are these people like as as as as 222 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 2: much as the right is ideological, it is also capitalist 223 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 2: and the risk award on that is terrifying. 224 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I like, especially when it comes to the 225 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 4: Daily Wire, a cost like that would just probably make 226 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 4: their entire company fold. 227 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 1: Because they don't have Murdock behind them. 228 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 4: They're not they're they're not that big of a company. 229 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 4: They just have a disproportionate amount of influence because their 230 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 4: hosts are really good at like marketing and social media manipulation. 231 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I ad revenue now would be a 232 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 3: great time for us to pivot to And there's some 233 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: go to coins with Reagan. 234 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah. You can hear the ads for the 235 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: new podcasts that are your colleague Tucker Carlson's gonna be doing. 236 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's way heyman, Don Lemon just. 237 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: Have yeah, him and Don Lemon, we we're calling it. 238 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 4: Uh. 239 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, there's there's a good there's a good 240 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: there's a good joke with their two names somewhere. I 241 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: haven't figured it out yet though, So you do that 242 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: for yourselves, audience. Ah, what a good what a good 243 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: time that we're talking about here. This is just just 244 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: a just a great day, great week. Uh So, yeah, 245 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: we're looking at you know, I think kind of when 246 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: we're talking about what's possible here and Daily Wirey agree 247 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: is kind of the most likely thing. If you look 248 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: at what leaked recently during their drama with Stephen Crowder. 249 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: The contract that we're offering Crowder was somewhere around thirty 250 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: million dollars, which from everything people have said, is a 251 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: big deal for them. That's one of the biggest bigger 252 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: offerings as they're capable of doing. Uh. That is, you know, 253 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: probably the most Tucker is realistically going to be able 254 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: to get. But also, uh, one of the things that 255 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: kind of is noteworthy about the contract they were offering 256 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: Crowder is that it included clauses where like crowders take 257 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: home could be reduced significantly if he got kicked off 258 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: of platforms and fucking Tucker Carlson is not going to 259 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: keep it a YouTube count. 260 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 4: I mean it is. It is interesting in that sense 261 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 4: of like they were they all of his content was 262 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 4: able to be kept up when he was under Fox, 263 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 4: Like on YouTube you can find all of his segments, 264 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 4: and it'd be interesting to see how the content moderation 265 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 4: differs if like he starts his own channel and how 266 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 4: and how comparatively what things would be would be counted 267 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 4: as like community guideline strikes. But yeah, I mean just 268 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 4: I think I think, like last week Matt Walsh's show 269 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 4: got demonetized on YouTube, which if his contract is anything 270 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 4: like the Crowtters, means that he is going to be 271 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 4: suffering up like a personal financial hit. 272 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's they're taking probably you know, in the millions 273 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: that he's losing. 274 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's something I think this is an interesting 275 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: thing that's been happening in the last maybe like six months, 276 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: has been there's there's been sort of increasing tension between 277 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: sort of the far right that's basically sees control the 278 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: Republican Party and like the money, and they keep running 279 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 2: into these issues where in order to keep their base going, 280 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: they need to say stuff that like their sort of 281 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 2: like corporate backers are like this is either losing us 282 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: money or is so far out there that like it's 283 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: you know, it's it's either directly losing US money from lawsuits, 284 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: or it's losing US elections, or it's losing us like business. 285 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: And now I'm never. 286 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: Gonna claim that like Murdoch is not the far right, 287 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: because he is is. But it's interesting that we've gotten 288 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: to a point where people like Murdoch are getting more 289 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: gun shy about what they can put on air because 290 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: it's finally like the money is finally starting to see 291 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: actual consequences, and they're starting to pull back from the 292 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 2: stuff a little bit. 293 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: Well, see, that's part of what I'm questioning is I'm 294 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: sure that that is something that's entering his calculus more 295 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: now since the settlement, but it's at least the early 296 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: reporting suggests that's not really why, or at least not 297 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: most of the reason why Tucker got shit canned. It's 298 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of shit like stuff that is not revealed 299 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: yet in the deposition that he was saying an email, 300 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things came out that woman 301 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: who is accusing him of creating a sexist and anti 302 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: semitic work environment, is that he like when she got hired, 303 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: he plastered swimsuit photos of Nancy Pelosi over her office 304 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: and that's what we've heard, like the shit that, Like, 305 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: I think it's possible, uh that what actually got Murdoch 306 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: to make the call to can him is that he 307 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: Murdoch himself found out through discovery that he was saying 308 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: shit in emails that would sink the company, Like if 309 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: he's saying full on Nazi shit. Yeah, and there's there's 310 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: documentation of that, which I don't think is unlikely on it, 311 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: like yeah. 312 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 2: There's no there's there's there's no there's no limit at. 313 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 3: That point, like yeah, no, the like clearly that ship 314 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 3: aligns with his views, and he's made a concerted effort 315 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 3: to mainstream more and more outright fascist and genesis white 316 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 3: supremacist talking points every year that he's had that show. 317 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 3: So it would not especially when they got his text messages, 318 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 3: Like he might be smart enough not to like maybe 319 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 3: use his work email. But I think that the fact 320 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 3: that there were some things in his text messages and yeah, 321 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 3: that wouldn't surprise me. It's either that or he said 322 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 3: something personal about one of the Murdochs and they. 323 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: Well he did. He did talk shit about Fox executives, 324 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: which some people have suggested as like part of why 325 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: they made the decision. It can him that he actually 326 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: just pissed off the moneymen too, and this was kind 327 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: of an excuse to take more action. Again, like it's 328 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of unclear exactly what happened. I think 329 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 1: it's probably worth talking about in the last portion of 330 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: this what impact, because it is likely that whatever happens, 331 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: He's he's going to have less reach, and at least 332 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: less reach in like a practical way. Because if Tucker 333 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: starts a podcast, even if the podcast has kind of 334 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: more you know, through Daily Wire or whatever, even if 335 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: it's got on paper more listeners than Fox, I think 336 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: there's something about cable news where you're reaching an audience 337 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: that's that's different with the ideas that he was He's 338 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: when he was on Fox, he was hitting people who 339 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: would never have encountered some of this like fascist shit, 340 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: this great replacement stuff, Whereas if he's saying the same 341 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: thing on a Daily Wire podcast, he's probably talking more 342 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: to people who are already pilled, so to speak. So 343 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: I do think there's a good chance that overall this 344 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: kind of tanks his ability to. 345 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 4: Actually like influence culture in a meaningful way. 346 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 3: Radicalize boomers, like everyone listening can probably think of a 347 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 3: person who they know or is in their sort of 348 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 3: greatest circle of people who their friends know, who is 349 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: an older person who is very much offline and has 350 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 3: encountered these great replacement ideas through Tucker Carlson and become 351 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 3: a significantly worse person because of Tucker Carlson's program. 352 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and you can see how all of 353 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 4: the Daily Wire guys like like Walsh and Mike, Michael 354 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 4: Noles and even someone like Andy No, they suck up 355 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 4: to Carlson so much and have been for the past 356 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 4: few years because they realize that that actually gives the 357 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 4: cultural access to be on his show on that platform 358 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 4: in a way that they're much. 359 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: More like Peterson too. 360 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 4: Pete Peterson, Sure, I think pet Peterson's broken into the mainstream. 361 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: I think a bit more. 362 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 4: But like all of these other guys like Andy No, Walsh, Knowles, 363 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 4: they're all heavily like Internet people, and they influence like 364 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 4: Internet shit, and sometimes that can start crossing over. But 365 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 4: in general, the cable news platform kind of reiffies things 366 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 4: into broader culture in a way that someone like Walsh 367 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 4: just doesn't because he's like most people don't know who Walshes. 368 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 4: But most people do know who Tucker is, and. 369 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: That is my dad is lifelong Republican voter. And when 370 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: I talked to him complaining about shit Matt Walsh is doing, 371 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: Like the first thing he said was like, I've never 372 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: heard of this guy. Yeah, And it's like, yeah, because 373 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: he's he's a fucking internet weirdo. And my dad doesn't 374 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: you know, he knows Ben Shapiro because Ben breaks through 375 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: to the mainstream, but he knows Been Shapiro from like 376 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: catching clips of him randomly being shared on Facebook by 377 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,239 Speaker 1: other people in his age group, as opposed to like 378 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: seeking this shit out. And that's kind of the power 379 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: of Tucker. And I think one of the things you've 380 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: seen Gear that you were kind of talking at, which 381 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: is the thing that is maybe most hopeful to me, 382 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: is how scared people like Andy know Glenn Greenwald flip 383 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: the fuck out when this gun announced because they see 384 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: this is a major threat to their reach into their 385 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: earning potential. Yeah, Tucker can't host them anymore. That's potentially 386 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: disastrous for them. And the fact that that's happening right 387 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: as we're gearing up for twenty twenty four is something 388 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: I'm hopeful about at least I'll say. 389 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 4: Right, it is a massive like rejection of that platform 390 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 4: to yeah, people like that like this type of like 391 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 4: rhetoric that Tucker is doing. Having this be like publicly 392 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 4: rejected in this way will make all these people that 393 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 4: are more on the fringes probably make it harder for 394 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 4: them to breakthrough in little ways like they used to 395 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 4: try to by being on Tucker is a show. 396 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: Speaking of reifying things into the broader culture by these products. 397 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 2: In Okay, So there's one other thing that I we've 398 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 2: could have been touching on it, but I think it's 399 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 2: really interesting is that Tucker. Tucker basically has a sort 400 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: of media ecosystem that revolves around him. And you know, 401 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: there's a very established pathway for how you can become 402 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 2: a sort of like a successful and profitable right wing 403 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 2: grifter which goes through you know, you sort of go 404 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 2: viral on Twitter, you go viral on TikTok, and then 405 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 2: you go on to Tucker and you know and like 406 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 2: like people like lives at TikTok, right, Like, I think 407 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 2: I think there's there's a certific kind of media campaign 408 00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 2: that even with whoever, like whatever, absolute asshole that like 409 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 2: Fox puts in that slot after Tucker's you know, when 410 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 2: whatever they sort of figure out who that's going to be, Like, 411 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: there's still I think going to be sort of a 412 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 2: hole there, Yeah, where I think it gets harder to 413 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 2: run the kinds the very the very very specific kinds 414 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 2: of campaigns like little TikTok, like the sort of mods 415 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: for liberty shit that that's been just making the country 416 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 2: unfathomably awful for the past few years. 417 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 3: With like that, I've been kind of working on writing 418 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 3: something scripted about this trans panic that happened in a 419 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 3: town very near me in Santi right, which like was 420 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 3: an extremely clear like like that was the goal, right, 421 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 3: like like do to speech, go go viral, go on 422 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 3: Tucker create, you know, then go on the speaking circuit, 423 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 3: make money. Like to me, at least, it seems very 424 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 3: clear that that was that was the goal. 425 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: And I yeah, he's he's a weapons system that they 426 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: they have learned, like has become kind of the center 427 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: of right wing strategy really is like get on Tucker 428 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: car as you know, moral panic culture warship yep. 429 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and and you know and like obviously like other 430 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: Fox shows do this stuff. It doesn't work anywhere anywhere 431 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 2: near as well. 432 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 4: And now I think it's the person the person that 433 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 4: gets the closest is probably Laura Ingram, but I think 434 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 4: she she kind of suffers from the glass ceiling problems. 435 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, she actually cannot be. 436 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, but. 437 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: I'm brad Masogy. 438 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 3: I think I stand with Laura. 439 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,479 Speaker 4: Ingram rub Big specifically viewing Tucker as this thing that 440 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 4: was like a targeted weapon. I think it's a really 441 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 4: good way to look at this, and specifically now that 442 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 4: that weapon no longer can like actually aim correctly because 443 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 4: or at. 444 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: Least may not be able to write. I mean, maybe 445 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: he'll come back and we're wrong, but I I am optimistic. 446 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: I think all say, yeah, it. 447 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 3: Puts a spanner in the works of the hate machine 448 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 3: that that he built and the folks built, and that's 449 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 3: a good thing. 450 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 4: But Mia, you were saying before I rudely interrupted you. 451 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: U asshole. 452 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 2: You cannot remember what what I was gonna say. 453 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 4: You're talking about how how how other other hosts kind 454 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 4: of do the thing but not. 455 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 2: The Yeah, well, I mean part of it also is 456 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 2: just you know, part of the power of Tucker is 457 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: just the time slot that he's in, Yeah, which is 458 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: you know that that that's the one where like all 459 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 2: of the people who've gotten off of work, who are 460 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: like turning on the television at night get to But yeah, 461 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: like Tuck Tucker was I think was really in the 462 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 2: entirety of the sort of TV and media sphere, was 463 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 2: uniquely good at that stuff. And no one else, no 464 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 2: one else can do it like that. And you know, 465 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 2: like the like if the Fox people will create someone else, 466 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: but until they fill that spot, A, there's a gap, 467 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 2: and B it really remains to be seen whether seeing 468 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 2: whether they're going to sort of pick someone who is 469 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 2: as embedded in like that part of the sort of 470 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 2: fascists right as Tucker is, or if they're going to 471 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 2: find someone who's like, i mean still really really right 472 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 2: and sucks but isn't like having ye on. 473 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it's I mean, I am kind of 474 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: curious slash worried about who's going to follow him into 475 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,959 Speaker 1: that time slot. Folks, real old heads will know. Tucker 476 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: got his job after Bill O'Reilly, who was the Fox 477 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: News fascist of my childhood, got shit canned for sexual 478 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: harassment on an industrial scale. Uh, And so that's that's 479 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: why Tucker is in and Obviously as bad as Bill was, 480 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: Tucker was worse, and maybe the person who follows Tucker 481 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: will be worse than Tucker. I do have trouble imagining 482 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: what that could be, because my god, he really he went. 483 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: He went right up to the edge of putting on 484 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: a fucking swastik arm band. 485 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 486 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say about the Bill o. Riley people, 487 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 2: people have been like, oh, like, Tucker's going to disappear 488 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 2: in the way Bill O'reiley did. 489 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: I don't. 490 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 2: I don't think that's I think he's going to be 491 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 2: a bigger like, assuming he winds up somewhere, I think 492 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 2: he'll still be a bigger influence than like Bill was 493 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 2: after he got fired. 494 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean Bill was also a lot older, right. 495 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, No, I think that is that is an 496 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 4: accurate assessment. 497 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 498 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 4: Well excited, excited to get my new Rumble subscriptions so 499 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 4: we can watch Oh yeah, yeah. 500 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: No, it's going to be uh glorious to see him 501 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: finally pair up with Tim Poole, the two the two 502 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: of them carrying AK forty seven, so doing field journalism 503 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. 504 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Tucker casting for those are not familiar, carried 505 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 3: a gun when reporting in a rock, which for many 506 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 3: reasons it's a fucking terrible idea, including putting f one 507 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 3: else doing your job changer. 508 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: But it is really funny, it's very well. I will, 509 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: I will say that it is funny. 510 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 2: I I genuine like part of me doesn't, but part 511 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: of me does. Hope he decides to do a thing 512 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 2: where he's like, I'm gonna go do field journalism in 513 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 2: Ukraine and just seemed so, I will. 514 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: It's fucking marked by God, damn like happens. 515 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 4: No, no, no, you know what happens. He he imbeds 516 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 4: with the aesof battalion. Yeah, and they all get taken 517 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 4: out God willing kindness. But I think one thing I 518 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 4: was deerfinally thinking about, like the past few years, less 519 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 4: less so that this this like past year specifically, but 520 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 4: for a while it was a quite frightening prospect to 521 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 4: think about what if Tucker was going to run for president? 522 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 4: And I don't think he is. He is not going 523 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 4: to do that in twenty twenty four. Absolutely, that's that's 524 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 4: that's not happening. But I mean it's still possible he 525 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,479 Speaker 4: could in the future. Twenty twenty eight is likely. Uh, 526 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 4: if if he wants, But I think the loss of 527 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 4: this position at this point in time will probably affect 528 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 4: that decision because it's something he's certainly been thinking about. 529 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 4: Considering he's one of the most influential conservative people on 530 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 4: the Yeah, like on the planet. 531 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 3: He determines policy or did it if he did? 532 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, and and and now it's interesting with him with 533 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 4: him leaving his job in this way, it'll be interesting 534 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 4: to see if how that, how that affects any kind 535 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 4: of potential of prospect for him for him, yeah, running 536 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 4: for office. 537 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: My big question around all that, and this is kind 538 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: of unanswerable, is like, does Tucker have any appeal outside 539 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: of the right wing base? Three and a half million 540 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: cable news viewers is not evidence of the kind of 541 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: broad based appeal that can drawn independence and win an election. 542 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: And Tucker has never you know, the one the closest 543 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: thing he's been to a political candidate is when he 544 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: went up against John Stewart and that didn't go great 545 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: for him. No, he and he moved aft after John 546 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: Stewart kind of destroyed his crossfire career. He moved to 547 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: a situation where he was he had unprecedented control over 548 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: his show, It was almost entirely recorded and stuff out 549 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: of a studio in Maine that he set up. He 550 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: built everything he was doing around being able to totally 551 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: control how he was seen, what was shown, what of 552 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: his was like put out to the public. And you 553 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: simply can't do that as a presidential candidate. You have 554 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: to accept and be able to make work for you 555 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: the fact that every eye is on you and you 556 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: do not have total control over what about you is 557 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: put out and published, among other things. You're going to 558 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: be repeatedly questioned in situations where you can't edit the 559 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: footage or stop things from going out afterwards. And I 560 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: don't know that Tucker has what it takes to succeed 561 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: in that kind of environment. 562 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, enchilade, he fucking never succeeds again and we never 563 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 2: have to hear about him. 564 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, we should shout out this lady, kat Ab Gazzale, 565 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 3: that the person who had to watch Tucker Carlson for 566 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 3: years and years and years and then explain it to people. 567 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 3: She works at Media Matters for America, but she is 568 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 3: taking the biggest victory lap that anyone has ever taken 569 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 3: right now, and it's kind of glorious to. 570 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 4: Watch doing the lord's work. Truly. 571 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, taking on trauma for all her stuff was quite good. 572 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 3: Like she she did a good job explaining how toxic 573 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 3: Tucker was to people who might not have been aware 574 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 3: of it. 575 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, in conclusion, Tucker, we would love to have 576 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: you on at cool Zone totally welcome to come host 577 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: your own podcast. We'll bring you on to It could 578 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: happen here. You can do a bastard's guest appearance. He can, Yeah, 579 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: right into the jungle. 580 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 3: Directly. 581 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: Come on, come on, Tucker, We'd love to have you anyway. 582 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's a sode. It could 583 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: happen here as a production of cool Zone Media. For 584 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website cool 585 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 586 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 587 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 4: You can find sources for It could Happen here, updated 588 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 4: monthly at cool zone meedia dot com slash sources. Thanks 589 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 4: for listening.