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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People who did Cool stuff.

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Speaker 2: You're the weekly reminder that usually I do things that

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Speaker 2: are a little bit more political, and sometimes it's spooky

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Speaker 2: month and I want to do a thing that I've

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Speaker 2: always been curious about and I want an excuse to research.

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Speaker 2: I am your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and my guest this

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Speaker 2: week is also my producer, Sophie. Hey, how are you

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Speaker 2: you know?

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Speaker 1: This Monday?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is a different than normal recording day for

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Speaker 2: all you people who want to know too much about

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Speaker 2: my life. But you know, sometimes things happen. Sometimes, unlike

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Speaker 2: the druids who have a mastery of time, we have

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Speaker 2: to look at clocks and things go poorly, and then

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Speaker 2: we have to do things at different times, and.

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Speaker 1: You would say, you know, we're really sacrificing our time.

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Speaker 2: Are we sacrificing our time? Because that's where we're at

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Speaker 2: in the script, how do you know? It's almost like

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Speaker 2: just to give everyone a peek behind the curtain. Normally

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Speaker 2: the guest has no idea what the subject matter is,

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Speaker 2: but Sophie gets to look at the script, and since

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Speaker 2: Sophie is both Sophie has multi classed in the parlance

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Speaker 2: of tabletop roleplaying games.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed taking advantage of the knowing a thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, have you played role playing games?

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Speaker 1: I'd be really good at them, But no, you would be.

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Speaker 2: Really good at them. One day, we're gonna get you

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Speaker 2: on which could be a teaser for that fact that

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Speaker 2: this very Sunday, Cool Zone Media is going to be

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Speaker 2: me and Robert and some other friends playing Pathfinder, which

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Speaker 2: is a role playing game.

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Speaker 1: Who's Robert.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised you haven't heard of him. He's the only

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Speaker 2: person named Robert Evans. I think I've made the joke

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Speaker 2: on this before or pointed out on this show before

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Speaker 2: that I didn't know why Robert Evans always said the

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Speaker 2: only Robert Evans. I was like, that's probably more than that.

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Speaker 2: For example, the chain of restaurants. I never eat there

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Speaker 1: Know there's a chain of restaurants.

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Speaker 2: Bob Evans, Oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't think about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we are on part two of a two

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Speaker 2: parter about druids because I wanted to read about the

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Speaker 2: Celts and weird sacrifice shit because I'm like, I'm so

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Speaker 2: sick of knowing really really vague things. That I think

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Speaker 2: are wrong about various cultures. You know, yes, And unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: the thing that happens when you research something like the

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Speaker 2: Celts or especially the Druids more specifically, you end up

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Speaker 2: with even you don't get like the answers. You just

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Speaker 2: get even more vague stuff that may or may not

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Speaker 2: be right. But if you get enough of it, you

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Speaker 2: can kind of paint a picture. And the picture I

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Speaker 2: was painting for you where we left off last week

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Speaker 2: is that the Druids, and just the Celts in general,

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Speaker 2: because there's argument about everything. We're particularly into sacrifice, and

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Speaker 2: sacrifice had an awful lot of meanings. But I want

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Speaker 2: to talk about them because it's really hard. I think

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Speaker 2: I've said this last time. Normally I've record five minutes later,

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Speaker 2: So if I'm repeating myself, you'all just have to deal

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Speaker 2: with it. It's really hard, I think, in the modern world

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Speaker 2: gonna fucking set some of it on fire. It's like

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Speaker 2: not what we immediately think to do right. So sacrifice

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Speaker 1: No, we're talking like, you know, slaughter a goat sacrifice, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, or like make a really nice thing and then

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Speaker 1: Got it? Got it.

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Speaker 2: France, as I mentioned, is a place with a real

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Speaker 2: And so of course it was a french Man that

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Speaker 2: I'm going to quote about the nature of sacrifice, George Batai.

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Speaker 1: Tie was like Nietzsche girl.

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Speaker 2: Now. As the kind of thing that comes up in

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Speaker 2: normal people's lives, right is they have to relate themselves

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Speaker 2: as relates to Battai and Nietzsche and all that.

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Speaker 2: Everyone has opinions about Hagel versus Marxist dialectics, right, That's

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Speaker 2: he's actually doing some interesting shit, like interesting, not good necessarily,

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Speaker 2: I didn't look it up. So he forms a secret

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Speaker 2: society obsessed with sacrifice. And this is an anecdote this

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Speaker 2: and they're like, fuck yeah, this is like the nineteen,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna do human sacrifice. That's how fucking edgy we are.

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Speaker 2: But they had a problem, Sophie. They didn't have any volunteers.

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Speaker 1: That's so crazy. They didn't have like a cat andus Eberdeen, nothing.

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Speaker 2: So the thing is they had more than one person

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Speaker 1: Ah, nobody wanted to be a murderer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone's down to die, but no one's down to

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Speaker 1: Okay, Magpie, thanks for the depression.

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Speaker 2: That's okay, they died fighting Nazis. Like whatever, we're all

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Speaker 1: Whenever I think of like how people want to die,

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Speaker 1: I think of Tyrian Lanister talking about it in Game

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Speaker 2: Oh what's his ways of? It's been a minute since

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Speaker 1: He wants to die at a ripe old age in

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Speaker 2: His Oh yeah, yeah, huh yeah, huh yeah. I had

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Speaker 2: But uh, he always used to tell us that his

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Speaker 2: going to kill him. He also used to tell directly sexist,

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Speaker 1: Out from I hope he's having a real rough day

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Speaker 2: I know ew. He was also everyone's favorite teacher and

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Speaker 2: It's so complicated. But one time I got into an argument.

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Speaker 2: are Gary anarchis now and the teacher he told a

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Speaker 2: And then like the whole room gets quiet, and I'm

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Speaker 2: It was a bad time anyway. Sacrifice but tie so

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Speaker 2: they can't get any volunteers to do the killing. The

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Speaker 2: out of the utilitarian economy, and it at first you're like, yeah, no, totally, yeah,

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Speaker 2: dreamy thought where it's like, what if not everything you

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Speaker 2: that's for other people, but hustle culture is for us,

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But those people are right, the people who tell

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Speaker 2: you that not everything you should do should be productive

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Speaker 2: and like fit into the capitalist economy, And actually you're

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong because I spend all my time working, but

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Speaker 2: So it's alla toss up. Anyway. When we refuse the

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Speaker 2: cult of productivity, we are closer to divinity, is the

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Speaker 2: argument here, And it's interesting because then this also filters

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Speaker 2: down to ideas like non productive sex, like gay sex,

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Speaker 2: kids can fit into this, and so can sacrificing animal

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Speaker 2: or human life, which I am not condoning. I am

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Speaker 2: not being like the way to step outside of capitalism

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Speaker 2: is to start sacrificing people, but if you're truly Celtic,

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Speaker 2: you might Gifting is also a way to make something

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Speaker 2: non productive because you're not getting something from it, which

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Speaker 2: is actually probably cooler than killing people. He also has

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Speaker 2: this class analysis in all of this about sacrifice, like, look,

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Speaker 1: You know what crime your river? And then I'll throw

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Speaker 2: nature and moral philosophy, and they are the judges of

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00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 2: their people more generally, like, there's also druids who are kings,

437
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: which sort of goes into the like the druids or

438
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: a caste of people, right like, or they're like an

439
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 2: educated elite of people, and some of them men of kings,

440
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: and some of them are advisors to kings, and some

441
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 2: of them are like, I don't know it probably hermits

442
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: and shit, I like to imagine.

443
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: Cool.

444
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, when Julius Caesar he shows up later to invade

445
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: Gaul in the first century BCE, and he's one of

446
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 2: the main sources of druids, and he wrote about them. Quote.

447
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 2: They hold long discussions about the heavenly bodies and their movements,

448
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: about the size of the universe and the earth, about

449
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 2: the nature of the physical world, and about the power

450
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: and properties of the immortal gods, subjects in which they

451
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 2: give instructions to their pupils. They also taught, in contrast,

452
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 2: I believe to Greek or to Roman teachings, I don't

453
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 2: know whatever, that the soul and the earth are both immortal,

454
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 2: and so basically like essentially reincarnation, your soul continues and

455
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: shows up in a new body. I've always had a

456
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: math problem with believing that. Mm hmm, but you know whatever,

457
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: they had a lunar calendar. They record the days as

458
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: starting with the night before, which a friend of mine

459
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 2: told me is the Jewish tradition also, and they start

460
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: months at the new moon, not the full moon. And

461
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 2: there is a single surviving account of a Druidic ritual

462
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 2: written by I think plenty of the Elder in the

463
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: first century AD. He didn't see this firsthand, and he

464
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 2: didn't cite his source. And a lot of people call

465
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: bullshit on this.

466
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 1: Right right, I mean fair, Yeah, that's shaky. What does

467
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: it say.

468
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: It's an interesting ritual, it's like, and this is the

469
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 2: ritual from which all of the like when you imagine

470
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 2: a sort of I don't know actual I haven't talked

471
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: to neopagans about Druidic beliefs, but when you imagine the

472
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 2: sort of cliche one it's based on this, Yeah, he

473
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 2: wrote quote. The Druids hold nothing more sacred than the

474
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 2: mistletoe and the tree on which it grows, provided that

475
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 2: it is an oak. They choose groves of oak for

476
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: the sake of the tree alone, and they never perform

477
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: any sacred rite unless they have a branch of it.

478
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 2: They think that everything that grows on it is sent

479
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: from heaven and by the God himself. Mistletoe, however, is

480
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: rarely found on the oak, and when it is, it

481
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: is gathered with a great deal of ceremony, if possible,

482
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 2: on the sixth day of the moon. They choose this

483
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: day because although the moon has not yet reached half size,

484
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 2: it already has considerable influence. They call the missletoe by

485
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 2: the name that means all healing. They prepare a ritual

486
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 2: sacrifice and feast under the tree, and lee in two

487
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 2: white bulls whose horns are bound. For the first time

488
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: on this occasion, a priest attired in a white vestiment

489
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: ascends the tree and with a golden sickle cuts the mistletoe,

490
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 2: which is caught in a white cloth. Then next they

491
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 2: sacrifice the victims, praying that God will make his got

492
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 2: his gift propetuited properly good. Sorry, I just don't pronounce

493
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: that word. Propetuus propitious, I don't know. You know, means

494
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: good to those to whom He has given it. They

495
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: believe that if given in a drink, the mistletoe will

496
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: give fertility to any barren animal, and that it is

497
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: a remedy against all poisons. That's Pliny the Elder, or

498
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: I think the Elder it's the source I read just

499
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 2: as Pliny, but I think it's Pliny the Elder. I

500
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 2: want one A golden sickle. Yeah, I want a golden sickle.

501
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: Pretty bad, be pretty cool. Imagine gold has always been valued.

502
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: What I feel is so much cheaper than right, like

503
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: a golden sickle is.

504
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: Like absolutely, i'de like, yeah, I don't know. I I

505
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: think that, like, you know, Trump's put like gold shit

506
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: all over the White House and it looks cheap and

507
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: ugly as hell. Yeah, but like seriously janky, but like

508
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: you know, a house and then like somebody has like

509
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: a cool like brass or gold knob on a cabinet.

510
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 2: Love it? Yeah? No, absolutely yeah.

511
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: And but like back then, like I feel like gold

512
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: was much more accessible and wasn't this like when they're

513
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: talking about it. I feel like it's not like, you know,

514
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: the way that we talk about something that's like unachievable.

515
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, like gold is like three thousand dollars

516
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: an ounce where we record this, don't ask why I

517
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 2: know the price of gold off the top of my head,

518
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: and like my Prepper show is called Live like the

519
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: world is dying. I don't advocate buying gold anyway, but yeah,

520
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: like a sickle of it you're talking talking about, like

521
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: like I'm not getting a sickle of gold anytime soon.

522
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: That's like, that's like a lot.

523
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 2: Okay. I would get like a titanium and do it.

524
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: Get it anidized like most of the jewelry I wear

525
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: as gold anidized fucking titanium.

526
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyways, my bad, I have the shit.

527
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 2: No no, no no, but it's it's kind of interesting,

528
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: like so you get this like the white robe, the mistletoe,

529
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: the like sacred oak. Pliny writes that the word druid

530
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 2: comes from the Greek words for basically the person who

531
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: knows the oak, but it probably actually came from the

532
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: Celtic words that either mean the same or mean like

533
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: the wise person. And if they mean the wise person,

534
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: it's because like oak and wisdom have kind of the

535
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: same root going on, and it's kind of interesting that

536
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: basically it just kind of means druid. Is this ancient

537
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: fuck word, So that both the Greek and Celtic are

538
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: coming from the proto Indo European words, which rules. And

539
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: I said before that there were women druids, and I

540
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: hold by that, but it is complicated by the fact

541
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: that we don't actually know a lot about the social

542
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: class of druid. Druids get used as both like here's

543
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: a member of a specific organization of druids. Were probably

544
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: a membership, and you know, you go to school or

545
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: whatever is led by an arch druid, according to I

546
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: think Caesar. But then it's like, it can't be just

547
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: one arch druid because he claims it as an arch

548
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: druid in Gaul. But then he claims that the actually

549
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: Druidism comes from Britain, and so you had to go

550
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: there to learn. So there's probably either an arch arch

551
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: druid or there's different druidic whatever. I don't fucking know.

552
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: But it's also a general term for a wise philosopher,

553
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: magician who mediates conflict between people and between armies and

554
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,239
Speaker 2: between people and the gods. And so if we go

555
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: by this, there are so many women in this role.

556
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: We have all of these like quotes about being like oh,

557
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: when you go deal with the like barbarians or whatever,

558
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: and you get in to a fight, the women are

559
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: going to come out and solve this conflict at the end,

560
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: which will shock you, Sophie that women are the ones.

561
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god, are women as problem solvers? I know, Magpie,

562
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: I don't know about that.

563
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then also like there's a lot of attestation,

564
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: like people specifically being like and when you go to

565
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: the Celts, men and women are both equally rulers. Isn't

566
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: that wacky? We're in upside downland?

567
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: You know, women can't be bosses, I know.

568
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: And reasonably there's like, you know, Celtic women warriors and

569
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,239
Speaker 2: probably not in this like total there's no such thing

570
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: as gender in the society thing, but like it's not

571
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: what later patriarchal society has like declared the past is.

572
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: Like right, dare I say druid fluid ruidh huh?

573
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: That could be a good gender. People could pick up

574
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: on that one. Cool and well, later, once the druidsm

575
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: been driven underground by Roman conquest, druid gets used as

576
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: a word kind of like people would use the word

577
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: which a couple hundred years later, So just like a

578
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: lone practitioner of magic who's kind of sketchy but kind

579
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: of cool be a druid and there's also this thing

580
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: that happened that some people called Druidism and some people don't.

581
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: The Celts had sacred isles where only women lived, which

582
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: is cool, and these women weren't trapped. They could go

583
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: to the mainland to fuk if they wanted, So it

584
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: was just women wanted to live alone on an island.

585
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: I've read about two of these isles, and it's like

586
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: reference that there's probably a ton of these isles in

587
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: different places around Celtic world. Also, the Celtic world again

588
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: is like actually, since I wrote this script, I've been

589
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: reading more and more about it. The Celtic world is

590
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: like really when you're like, oh, Celtic culture was like this,

591
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: Like earlier I quoted about how Celtic culture was super

592
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: egalitarian compared to Roman culture, and it's like, well, no,

593
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: some of the Celtic clans and tribes were like basically

594
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: voting and had like something that looks like republics or

595
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: you know, decentralized good things, and some of them were

596
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: like total autocracies or whatever. Like they're just different. And

597
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: so you have these aisles all over the Celtic world.

598
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: I know of at least two of them, but the

599
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: implication there's more, and then there's a story about this that,

600
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm willing to be down to believe

601
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: is true. And also I would write this into a

602
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: full car movie in a second if it is true.

603
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: But it might also be the kind of shit that

604
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: people made up to demonize women. I don't fucking know.

605
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: My dearest desire is to get a time machine and

606
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: go back in time and find out how metal the

607
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: past is, because people write about it like it's the

608
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: most metal thing in the world. But also sometimes people

609
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: do whatever. Okay, let me just tell you what it is.

610
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: On this aisle at the base of the river where

611
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: the river meets the sea, every year, these sacred women

612
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: would take the roof off their temple. Then each of

613
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: them would pick up the roofing material like thatch or

614
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck it is, and walk back to the

615
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: temple to put it back on. But then one of

616
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: them would like nudge another one, and like someone gets

617
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: knocked over, and then they rip the fallen woman to

618
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: shreds and just rip her limb from limb, and then

619
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: everyone parades around with their former friend's body parts, which

620
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: is not what we accept within polite society. Currently, Well,

621
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: no wonder, England is where all the best foll car

622
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: comes from when people are doing this kind of shit.

623
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: But what doesn't come from England but is grown right

624
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: here in the United States of America is some portion

625
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: of our ads and one hundred percent of the potatoes

626
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: that you grow at home if you grow them in

627
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: the United States. Otherwise they're home grown wherever you are.

628
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: You're probably able to figure that out for yourself, but

629
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: I just want to be really clear. They're only American

630
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: grown potatoes if you grow them in America. Otherwise they're

631
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: just sparkling potatoes. And we're back. So Rome is doing

632
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: its Rome thing where they think they should be in

633
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: charge of everything, and they're conquering Iberia aka Spain and Portugal,

634
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: only that doesn't get called that at the time. And

635
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: they have to get stuff there, and you can get

636
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: across the sea to get there. But it's like when

637
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: you want to have like a lot of stuff and

638
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: support a military, you kind of want to go up

639
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 2: and over. And for those who have an American sense

640
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: of geography, just know that the south of France slash

641
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: gall touches that water area there. I'm an American too.

642
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 2: The Mediterranean, that's the word for it. So so there's

643
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: these long supply lines that run along southern Gaul, okay.

644
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: And the way that I see this presented, even by

645
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: historians is largely like all of these like raiding clans

646
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: of Gauls and you know, these Celts just sort of like, fuck, yeah,

647
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: we're gonna steal your shit because it's like coming through

648
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: where we can get to it, and we're a bunch

649
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 2: of raiders and bandits. There were evil barbarians and whatever.

650
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: These people are literally Rome is literally invading everywhere, including Gaul, and.

651
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: That I'm saying they're fucking genociders.

652
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like steal their loot.

653
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck yeah, fucket.

654
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: And so it's somewhere between banditry and anti colonial resistance,

655
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 2: and honestly, the line has never been totally solid between

656
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: those things anywhere in the fucking history. And the Druids

657
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: are organizing a lot of this best as I can tell.

658
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: They certainly are going to get the credit for organizing this,

659
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 2: And so Rome is like, oh, we no longer like

660
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: you Druids. You're no longer like the cool philosophers, like

661
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: the Greeks saw you all as you all are evil

662
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 2: murderer horror movie people. So we're going to kill you all.

663
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: So Rome goes to war against the various tribes of

664
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 2: Gauls and they win spoiler alert, although they don't like

665
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: they never get Scotland and they never get Ireland, but

666
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: they kind of get everywhere else and they conquer and

667
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: they steal all the gold and silver from all the

668
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: temples because you know, fucking Celts are real into sacrificing

669
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: their shit, and realizing that the Galls love throwing valuable

670
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: shit like gold into lakes, the Romans start auctioning off

671
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: the captured This is the most modern part of this

672
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: whole story. America would do this. They start auctioning off

673
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 2: the lakes to the highest bidder for entrepreneurs willing to

674
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: go through the expense of trying to get the gold

675
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: from the bottom of the lake.

676
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: That is so America, I know, very funny.

677
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 2: And it's interesting too because this whole area in southern

678
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: Gaul before they go to war, before Rome like really

679
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: goes to war, it's the wild West, Like it's a

680
00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 2: colonial force that's expanding westward and is like setting up

681
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: these frontier towns and the actual like demographic makeup of

682
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 2: the people in these Roman towns is actually much more

683
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 2: mixed than like Rome itself. So you have people from

684
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: far flung parts of the Empire are looking to get ahead,

685
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: and so they're gonna go to where shit's sketchy, and

686
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: they're gonna go to the edge of the colonial frontier.

687
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 2: We actually covered a very similar thing when we talked

688
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: about Japanese colonization of Korea, because you have like the

689
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 2: colonial Japanese were often poorer Japanese who are trying to

690
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: come up by go fucking over the Koreans. And you

691
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: have the same thing where people from the outskirts of

692
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: the Roman Empire are gonna go to southern Gaul and

693
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: like be part of that colonizing force and shit, because

694
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 2: it's a good way to get money anyway. This is

695
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: just like one of the most like never change history,

696
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: never fucking change, because they do it basically in Islamophobia

697
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 2: to justify the Iraq War, only it's the fucking invasion

698
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: of Gaul. And like they also do the fucking like frontiers,

699
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: like kill all the indigenous North Americans. Shit, it's just

700
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: like we have.

701
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: Never learned a single fucking thing, is what you're telling me.

702
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: No, no, we probably never will. But you know it's interesting.

703
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 1: You're gonna tell me Rome in conclusion, Rome like does

704
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: a full on chinacide.

705
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Yeah, at the end, they're going to yeah,

706
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: kill I think I said I spoiled this earlier. They're

707
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: going to kill one third of the golf. According to

708
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: at least one source, they're going to kill one third

709
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: of the Galls and not Galway. I was gonna call Galway.

710
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: That's a different place. That's actually where my family's from.

711
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: I know that's Ireland, which we're going to talk about it.

712
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: I know at the end here.

713
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: They kill one third of the people and enslave another third.

714
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: And like I think we talked about last time, it's

715
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: like you would have to kill an awful lot of

716
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 2: people doing human sacrifice to come anywhere near the tiniest

717
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: percentage of the evil of killing a third of a

718
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 2: population and a slaving another third.

719
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: Oh huh.

720
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: This happens over the course of about one hundred and

721
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 2: fifty years from like two hundred BCE fifty BC really roughly,

722
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: and the barbarians just refuse to stay conquered, and Celtic

723
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 2: society starts changing because of the closeness of the frontier, right,

724
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: and so you already have the first written attestations about

725
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: the Druids say things like, well, things have changed since

726
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: in the old days. You know, this is the new

727
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: way that things are happening, right, And so that's part

728
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: of why we think like maybe they were doing less sacrifice,

729
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: but also just they were like adapting to you know,

730
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: the old ways were disappearing. And ironically, one of our

731
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: first main sources from trans Alpina is a Stoic philosopher

732
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: who believe that basically civilization is bad and the barbarians

733
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: are good. But I read another person who said that

734
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: actually his theory was exactly the opposite. And I fucking

735
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: hate historians. Actually I don't. I just wish I had

736
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: a year to research each topic so I could have

737
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 2: my own opinion on more of these things. But people

738
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: are like, oh, some noble savagery going on whatever. And

739
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 2: he writes that there's three sort of intellectually elite classes

740
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 2: in Celtic society. The bards, who are the singers and poets.

741
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: The vates, who are the seers, which is not a

742
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 2: Celtic word, that's a Roman word, who are the seers

743
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: who interpret sacrifice and study the natural world, and the

744
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,959
Speaker 2: druids who study both the natural world and moral philosophy.

745
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: And so when the Vatas do a sacrifice, you need

746
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: a druid around to make it actually count. Okay, So

747
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: they're like, what's the thing that's like basically a doctor,

748
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: but non a doctor, a physician's assistant. You have to

749
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: have a doctor on call. Otherwise you're not allowed to

750
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: practice medicine. That's the right one version of this. Caesar

751
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,479
Speaker 2: disagreed with this assessment. His assessment came a little later,

752
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: and so this might be that shit has changed, or

753
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 2: Caesar's line or he is a different part of fucking

754
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: Celtic Land. He says that there's only the druids and

755
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: the knights among the elites in Celtic society. But either way,

756
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 2: they're like, all right, we got to kill all these people,

757
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 2: and they kind of do, but not all and there's still,

758
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: you know, people speaking Bretin. I think I put it

759
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: in the script earlier. I think it is Breton in Brittany. Also,

760
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: since the last episode, this never happens because usually recorded

761
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: at the same time. Since the last episode, someone was

762
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 2: like the Gaelic stuff in Scotland actually they're like, it

763
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: really is growing and there's more people who are speaking it.

764
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: But Ireland, being a beautiful backwater untouched by the Romans,

765
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: was one of the last strongholds of pagan culture, and

766
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: it's likely where the druid stayed in power the longest.

767
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 2: We know a bit about pre Christian Irish culture. There's

768
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: about one hundred and fifty tribes. Each had a king

769
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: or queen. We at least have evidence of queens in

770
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: the Sagas, and then elsewhere in the Celtic world there's

771
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 2: lots of evidence of this whatever. And each king had

772
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: a druid, a sear, the filid, and a bard. So

773
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 2: the seer sort of the filid is kind of counting

774
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: us the vatz essentially, and the druid is the most

775
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: powerful of these, and this is the person who sets

776
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: the rules for the king. They make gi the geesa

777
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: the rules the commands upon the king. Some examples of

778
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: this that I've seen are you can't eat horse flesh

779
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: before getting into your chariot, although actually I think there's

780
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: no evidence of chariots in Ireland outside of the Sagas,

781
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure about that. Okay, you have to

782
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: straighten your spear point with your teeth was another geese

783
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: that was applied to a king. And then my favorite,

784
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: because it's absolutely the bitchest. You're not allowed to talk

785
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: to company until your druid has spoken first, based I know,

786
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: and the Filid had twelve years of education. And slowly

787
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: the Filid got more powerful as the Druids start to

788
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 2: decline and they start taking some of the poetry rolls

789
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: from the Bard. Then Ireland becomes Christian over a couple

790
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: hundred years in the middle of the first millennium CE,

791
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: and suddenly the Filid are just sort of they sort

792
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: of probably join the church and keep on going, taking

793
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: on the power from the bards as well, although bards

794
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 2: end up in kind of a more of a working

795
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 2: class role. And then also people argue that the Druids

796
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 2: secretly didn't go anywhere, and that people fucking argue about

797
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: the shit everyone writes about it like it's true, and

798
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: none of it's true. All history is fake. This is

799
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 2: the most frustrating thing I've ever wanted to learn about,

800
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: and I'm still really excited about it. By the seventh century,

801
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: there's no more distinct order of druids that people are

802
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: aware of the filid are a distinct order until the

803
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: seventeenth century before the English are like, y'all can't keep

804
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: doing that weird heathen shit. We let you get away

805
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: with for a very long time, but you gotta stop

806
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: now we are English. Please button your top button and

807
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: drink tea. And the role of the druids advising and

808
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: controlling the kings is taken on by the clerics by Catholics.

809
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: But as always you have the fun thing about medieval

810
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 2: Ireland where it's like Christian kind of in air quotes,

811
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: because you have women initiating divorce, you have abortion, you

812
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: have women owning property of all kinds of Unchristian shit

813
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: for the time and shit is like real pagan.

814
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: Real fucking pagan.

815
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: I forgot that I mentioned in one of the other

816
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: episodes about how Irish kings during the Christian era would

817
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: have to fuck a horse before becoming king. The poor horse,

818
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 2: It's gonna get worse for the horse. I'm gonna read

819
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: now the single most metal thing so and possibly the

820
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 2: most pagan and dark, not pagan equals dark, but in

821
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: this case, the wildest shit that I've read on the

822
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 2: show in a long time. The rest of what happens

823
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: with that horse. This coronation ceremony is related by a

824
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: guy named Geraldus Cambrensis from his book from eleven eighty five.

825
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: And the people talk about it like it's real. It's

826
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: probably real. I'm just always skeptical of everything. Quote. The

827
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: whole people of that country gathered in one place. A

828
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: white mare is led into the midst of them, and

829
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 2: he who is to be inaugurated, not as a prince,

830
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: but as a brute, not as a king, but an outlaw,

831
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: comes before the people on all fours, confessing himself a

832
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 2: beast with no less impudence than imprudence. The mayor being

833
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: immediately killed and cut into pieces and boiled. A bath

834
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah no, I like I said, it's just bad for

835
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: the it's bad for the WORSESO. A bath is prepared

836
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: for him from the broth. Sitting in this, he eats

837
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: the flesh. This again, seriously, this is like Bastard's level.

838
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: Sitting in this, he eats the flesh which is brought

839
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: to him, the people staring round and partaking. Also, he

840
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: is also required to drink the broth in which he

841
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: is bathed, not drawing it in any vessel, nor even

842
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: in his hand but lapping it with his mouth and

843
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: uh yeah, fuh fuck that Christian.

844
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, OKAYI is thing I did not like that.

845
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: No, uh, which is funny because I was like, we actually,

846
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, they might have made up with

847
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 2: that ship after the Christians. Who fucking knows. Father Joe

848
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: mcveig wrote nineteen ninety three quote, the first Christian missionaries

849
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 2: to Ireland did not attempt a root and branch eradication

850
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: of the Celtic Druidic tradition and beliefs. Instead, the new

851
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: religion absorbed the Holy Mountains and the innumerable Holy wells

852
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: and gave him a Christian name. And so that's just

853
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: like syncretism. And throughout the Celtic world, especially in Ireland,

854
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 2: there's evidence that the Druids didn't really go away as

855
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: much as like vaguely convert to Catholicism and become priests

856
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: the new educated class, while still remaining Druids. A lot

857
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 2: of Celtic Christian saints get called druids. One saint, Saint Bueno,

858
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 2: was a Welsh guy who was said to have raised

859
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 2: seven people from the dead because you know, saints have

860
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: to do miracles, uh, huh. His last words as he

861
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 2: was dying was that he saw the Holy Trinity, the Saints,

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Speaker 2: and the Druids.

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Speaker 1: Fucking sick.

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Speaker 2: And there's an anecdote that I think I hinted at

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Speaker 2: in the first episode that I somehow forgot, and it's

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Speaker 2: my favorite anecdote, this whole thing. When I'm preparing for

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00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: a script, as I read, I like torture my poor

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Speaker 2: friends who just want to hear in my life, and

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Speaker 2: instead I just like talk to them and I tell

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Speaker 2: them all of the things that I've been reading, because

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00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 2: that's the answer to how my life is, is that

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00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: I read books all day, which rules but leaves me

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Speaker 2: incapable of acting normal at parties, and so instead at

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Speaker 2: parties I tell people the following anecdote, which is that

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Speaker 2: when the Roman army reached Britain and they captured most

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Speaker 2: of Britain, and they go to this final island and

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Speaker 2: they're capturing and it's like the biggest stand off fight.

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Speaker 2: It's the big clibactic moment of the movie. Unfortunately, the

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Speaker 2: Druids are going to lose. And he writes about seeing

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Speaker 2: the enemy line there in the trees and among the

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Speaker 2: enemy soldiers, among the Celtic soldiers are a lot of

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Speaker 2: women in all black moving through the ranks.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then the Druids are also saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: scary things, and so there's a question of whether or

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Speaker 2: not the women in black are like a separate class

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Speaker 2: in the Druids, or they are Druids. But they also

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00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: write that this like so scared the Roman army that

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Speaker 2: for a while they just stood Dylan didn't defend themselves,

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Speaker 2: as like arrows rained down upon them. And so it

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00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,479
Speaker 2: was a fierce spell and it worked. It cast fear

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Speaker 2: into the enemy. I think that's cool. Unfortunately, the spell

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00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: was not a powerful high enough rank spell to kill

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Speaker 2: the enemy, and the Celts all died. I don't know, well,

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Speaker 2: not all of them, but a lot of them. And

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Speaker 2: that is the Druids. The past is metal as fuck.

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Speaker 2: I wish I had a time machine. And I don't

898
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Speaker 2: know whether I would like them or not, but my god,

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Speaker 2: they're interesting and they sure fought tooth and fucking nail

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Speaker 2: against rum.

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Speaker 1: Love it, thank you, enjoyed it. Spooky week.

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Speaker 2: Spooky Week is over. Next week I'll talk about something

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00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: spookier like capitalism and the people who fight it. Or

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Speaker 2: whatever the fuck I don't know. And also just to

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Speaker 2: say here at the end that if you want to

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Speaker 2: listen to me and Robert Evans and a bunch of

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Speaker 2: people play really fun role playing games, we're going to

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Speaker 2: do a takeover of cool Zone Media book Club for

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Speaker 2: six weeks where we're going to play Pathfinder, which is

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00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 2: like Dungeons and Dragons, but I like it more. And

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Speaker 2: our game master is none other than Jason Bowman, the

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Speaker 2: creator of Pathfinder. And I'm very cool, pretty excited about that,

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Speaker 2: and you could be excited about it too by checking

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Speaker 2: it out this Sunday on cool Zone Media book Club.

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Speaker 2: And also, nothing's happening in the regular world right now.

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Speaker 2: People don't have to listen to like news shows. They

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Speaker 2: can just listen to history and games. Yeah, okay, great,

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Speaker 2: bye everyone.

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