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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they all gave me problems, bro, I

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Speaker 1: mean it was all those guys. I think. You know,

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Speaker 1: Garnet we always had an even battle, right. It was

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Speaker 1: the off the table. Dirt. I couldn't guard Dirk because

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Speaker 1: I want to get into his body. I want to

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Speaker 1: try to front the posts and do these things and

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Speaker 1: would get in fire trouble guarden Dirk. So I put

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Speaker 1: Sean on. Dirt couldn't guard him much, and he always

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Speaker 1: trailed for the three as a big wind was trained

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Speaker 1: and then rotate out. But Dirt was one of those

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Speaker 1: guys who would trail for the three every time. And

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Speaker 1: it's like, oh man laid on the on the close

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Speaker 1: out and Jermaino a low key was hard to guard.

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Speaker 1: Jament o'nill had post work, footwork, he was strong and

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Speaker 1: underrated that never get talked about that I couldn't guard.

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Speaker 1: It was Andre Kerlinko. Really you would forget I get it. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was a Swiss army knife. He did everything and

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Speaker 1: he never stopped moving. So when I'm guarding him, my

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at my defender. But as soon as I

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Speaker 1: turned my head on him, he's gone. And then once

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Speaker 1: I relocate and he's gone again. It's like it was.

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Speaker 1: It was tough. It was a tough match up for me.

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Speaker 1: So again I put Sean on him.

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Speaker 2: Especially in Utah, and it was already hard to breathe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly.

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Speaker 3: So Sean, like when you when there were matchups that

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Speaker 3: didn't make sense for you between you guys, who was

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Speaker 3: if you know we can put Sean on you, we will.

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Speaker 3: Like it feels like you sort of had every type

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure, I mean between between Sean Mary

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Speaker 1: and myself, we would match up with quarteringly right a

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Speaker 1: lot of times, with players who are real power forwards

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Speaker 1: you got players who are very versatile, who's always on

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Speaker 1: the move. And I shown type of game that's type

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Speaker 1: player he was anyways, and I put him on them.

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Speaker 3: JB was I was Steve Nash your favorite favorite pot

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Speaker 3: quard of all time?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I feel like I say that in the past.

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Speaker 2: What are you laughing? I didn't you say something stupid?

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Speaker 4: I was going to it, but I was like, you

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Speaker 4: know what, I'm gonna let you live.

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Speaker 2: Steve Nash is the pastors. My gud was what to say?

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Speaker 4: No, But that's a great point. Yeah, why was he

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Speaker 4: your favorite? You didn't like you didn't emulate, emulate at all?

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Speaker 1: Well, I was.

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Speaker 2: Always like smaller everybody back then because I played up.

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Speaker 2: I played a year or two up and so thirteam

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Speaker 2: was like my favorite number.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so when did you stop passing.

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Speaker 1: When you were on my team in colors?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? You didn't pass in high school? Connor did he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt Johnson, Parker Nichols. Mm hmm.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So you're saying you got to be a selfish

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Speaker 4: player once you got the Bollanova. Yeah, oh well, that's nice.

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Speaker 4: This is why we didn't like you.

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Speaker 1: That's what we won.

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Speaker 4: I'm not doing that. I'm not doing not doing it.

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Speaker 3: How wasn't playing with Steve?

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Speaker 1: I was great man the first the first year in Phoenix,

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Speaker 1: we traded Googlada. We traded like six players and then

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Speaker 1: of that season. My second year until we went into

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Speaker 1: a recruiting frenzy. We tried to fail. We're going to

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Speaker 1: was flirting with like free agency and so and Steve

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Speaker 1: it with me, the owners the GMS. We all flew

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Speaker 1: with the ownership of the Mavericks and they were having

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Speaker 1: conversations about, you know who to sign, like can we

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Speaker 1: so Shaq had them like in limbo, and we were like,

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Speaker 1: And then once we once we when Steve agreed to

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Speaker 1: play with us to come back to Phoenix that upcoming

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Speaker 1: training camp, we started practicing and always kept myself from

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Speaker 1: shape and make sure I was in shape before training camp.

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Speaker 1: I didn't use training camp to get in shape, and

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Speaker 1: so once we started training camp, he dropped the pass

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Speaker 1: off to me. I hit the rim. It was like, man,

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be special. And once that that training

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Speaker 1: camp happened. We started communicating back and forth and figuring

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Speaker 1: And they continued throughout the rest of our career playing

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Speaker 3: Is it typical for a player to be as involved

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Speaker 1: As you were. I wasn't really asking for it, Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: I was. I was just a twenty one year old

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Speaker 1: star of my second year. I won't Rookie of I

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Speaker 1: won Rookie of the Year. I got Rookie Sophomore Game MVP.

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Speaker 1: I had a pretty good first two years. But they

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Speaker 1: to be involved in who was going to play with

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Speaker 1: I didn't ask for it, but that's how it happened.

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Speaker 2: Can you talked about the their their battles with the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was tough, man, because you because Kobe, you

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Speaker 1: can't really game plan for right, you know we have

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Speaker 1: we have a scott and report for Kobe and slide

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Speaker 1: trying to contain fasting to us left, We'll send a

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Speaker 1: double team from the baseline if he's in the post,

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Speaker 1: you know, top of the key. Other than that, Cob

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Speaker 1: knew how to avoid all double teams. You He had

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Speaker 1: all the countermoves for every double team that may come

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Speaker 1: his way. So we really couldn't stop Kobe. We had.

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Speaker 1: All we can do is try to contain him, make

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Speaker 1: it tough for him, get into his body on his shot.

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Speaker 1: Small little details helped maybe helped change his shot a bit.

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Speaker 1: And then for me, I had a battle also. I

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Speaker 1: think one year you gotta guard Shack was shacking Kobe,

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Speaker 1: and then Shaq left and then we took over Phoenix

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Speaker 1: is all seven to one, and it's me on the inside,

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Speaker 1: me and Sean. I'm on the side center, you know.

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Speaker 1: So we battled every every single year. Every year we battled,

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Speaker 1: the Lakers always had a little bit of an edge

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Speaker 1: he knew how to win and he knew how to win,

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Speaker 1: which he learned playing with Shaq winning those three championships.

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Speaker 1: He had an edge on us because he knew how

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Speaker 3: How many years did you overlap with Dirk in Dallas?

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Speaker 2: Just one his last year this one. Yeah, he could

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Speaker 2: barely walk. I played with Dirk that man was he

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