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Speaker 1: Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of The Black Effect

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Speaker 1: and I Heart Radio and it's drink Cha's motherfucking podcast.

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Speaker 1: He's a legendary Queen's rappers. He's like, is your boy

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Speaker 1: in O R? He's a Miami hip hop pioneer. What

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Speaker 1: up is d J e f N? Together they drinking

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Speaker 1: up with some of the biggest players in the most professional,

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Speaker 1: unprofessional podcast and yet number one sorts for drunk fast drinks.

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Speaker 1: Mother is New year' z. That's time for Drink Champs.

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Speaker 1: Drink up for the would it could be hopefully ship

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Speaker 1: boy in O R? What up is d J e FN?

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Speaker 1: And this is Drink chas motherfucker yappy like we always say. Man.

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Speaker 1: When we started this show, we knew and we realized

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Speaker 1: that there's other shows for the young people and the

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Speaker 1: new young hot dudes, and we said, we want to,

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Speaker 1: you know, cater to our legends, the people that has

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Speaker 1: been down, people that's put in the work, the people

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Speaker 1: have been loyal to the game, the people that's never

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Speaker 1: turned their back on the game inspired us. That inspired us,

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Speaker 1: and not only that, you know what I'm saying, people

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Speaker 1: who stay true to the games. People who is you know,

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Speaker 1: amongst the culture and these two brothers right here right now,

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Speaker 1: is that you know what I mean is real hip hop,

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Speaker 1: real culture, real men, you know what I'm saying. Not

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Speaker 1: to be confused, you know, I mean, you know, you

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Speaker 1: know with all of that, you know what, but case

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about about dress from black Seat and

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Speaker 1: see what's going on? What your brothers is on tour?

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Speaker 1: What did your brothers doing? Um, a couple of spot days,

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Speaker 1: you know, really has since the COVID kind of done

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Speaker 1: came back to um on the other side where we

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Speaker 1: can get back outside a little bit. You know, we

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Speaker 1: had a spot day down here in Miami, and you know,

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Speaker 1: like like everybody is really kind of you know, we

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Speaker 1: all like one person away from you know, being cousins,

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Speaker 1: Like one person one person away. I like that tell

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Speaker 1: you so you know, one spot day so um, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna be down here and um and one

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Speaker 1: of the one of the brothers that works here is

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Speaker 1: a very very good friend of Mount for a lot

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Speaker 1: of years, you know what I'm saying, Like I've literally

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Speaker 1: seen him kind of grow up as as a person

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Speaker 1: and man and and executive. Now what I'm saying, he

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Speaker 1: was like you know, like you're gonna be down there,

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Speaker 1: like when they reach out to the fellas and see

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Speaker 1: if we can put it together. I was very grateful

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Speaker 1: because I really really like the platform. So let me

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Speaker 1: let me get straight into it. Right. One of the

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Speaker 1: most um a group of world groups before Wu Tang,

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Speaker 1: one of the most you know, famous groups, uh, was

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Speaker 1: native tongue collection A collection A collection you know, um,

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Speaker 1: and you both of you brothers was in native time.

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Speaker 1: How how how how was that to see a transition

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Speaker 1: from just just you tell me just how you even

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Speaker 1: got down with native to because we know we recentually

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Speaker 1: had read alert on here and we recently had money

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Speaker 1: Love on here. But um, you know, I was picking

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Speaker 1: their brains about, you know, the native tongue. I want

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Speaker 1: to hear you guys perspective, like how did you get

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Speaker 1: down with it? And what was it like once you

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Speaker 1: got down with it? Um? I guess I'll go first,

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Speaker 1: because I guess yeah, Well, for me, it was it

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Speaker 1: was really this really organic dope experience because I'm I

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Speaker 1: met long in North Carolina, and you know, I went

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Speaker 1: to high school in North Carolina. I'm from the Story

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Speaker 1: Projects and I grew up in the blaming projects as

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Speaker 1: well with both my parents to live Yeah, yeah, sincer Sami. People.

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Speaker 1: Um just to say, like, you know, so I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: that's where I'm from, grew up. Everybody knows me as Tiki,

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Speaker 1: we moved North Carolina when I get my senior year

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Speaker 1: in high school, we moved to another little spot, and

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Speaker 1: I mean long. We had a metube friend, this cat

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Speaker 1: named Standing Stand was from the Bronx. He was my

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Speaker 1: So we was really holding it down. And we had

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Speaker 1: was long Long was so small he had to stand

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Speaker 1: I was our little creue, you know I'm saying. My

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Speaker 1: at the arena and and and Raleigh, my man Crazed

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Speaker 1: from the Bronx, was one of the promoters. We was

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Speaker 1: able to get Long on stage. We had a little

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Speaker 1: So we got Long on stage in front of everybody's

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Speaker 1: but he's dumb nice. So Red approaches. I'm like, yo,

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Speaker 1: up every summer. So Red gives him a number, like YO,

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Speaker 1: when when you come up, get up with me? So

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Speaker 1: that's summer. Red Long goes up. Red hasn't been a student,

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Speaker 1: you know I read is Red grabs him running them around,

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Speaker 1: And Red hasn't been a studio for the Jungle Brother

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Speaker 1: this first album, making up their first album, you know, saying,

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Speaker 1: so that's when Long gets introduced to the clip. I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: so every summer he's coming back and forth unbeknown to

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Speaker 1: me because I don't I didn't finish school. I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing a hundred different things up in my head,

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Speaker 1: doing some things right, doing something's wrong. You're not to go,

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Speaker 1: but just to say, you know, I'm trying to out

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Speaker 1: so so you know, every something, he's coming back and forth.

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Speaker 1: So eventually, after I'm bumping my head, you know enough

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Speaker 1: and I'm and I'm literally walking down the street my hand.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when you're young, you don't even care

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Speaker 1: if you're walking over crackheads, it don't even matter. I'm uh,

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Speaker 1: that's not an avenue right over again, fishing And that's

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Speaker 1: why a lot of cats think I'm from the Bronx

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Speaker 1: I'm like wow, wow, like you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: Like y'all hadn't seen each other and seeing each other

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Speaker 1: since the room in North Carolina, you know I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, Yo, what you're doing up here? He's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, like Yo, I'm trying to do this music thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm like word, like yo, you know, like where you at?

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Speaker 1: He's like, I'm in Brooklyn. I'm staying with my aunt,

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Speaker 1: her man and their kid in a studio. But you

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Speaker 1: was already writing ROMs. She was already making music or no,

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Speaker 1: I was writing ROMs. But like like it was more

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Speaker 1: and you know, like you know, just but but I

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Speaker 1: these years down South, every day when I was down South,

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Speaker 1: just just because it was nothing else to do. My

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Speaker 1: man had equipment, had mis and his mom was cool.

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Speaker 1: We could smoke, We drink a lot forties. So every

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Speaker 1: day every day that's what we did. What I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't realize it would be the training ground

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, give me one week deliving it. You

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Speaker 1: can become crushed with me till you get on your feet.

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Speaker 1: So when he comes, you know, So the next week

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Speaker 1: he comes, stay with me. He got records, he got turntables.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you still do when this ship? Like yo,

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Speaker 1: I'm bugging out, Like Yo, that's what's up, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So he comes in and I don't

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Speaker 1: where I just came from. So I start kind of

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Speaker 1: p I saw meeting DAYLT of Jungle Tried, Tried, when

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Speaker 1: they're working on their first album. Okay, but you just

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Speaker 1: answer my question before I about to say whatever, was

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Speaker 1: trying back the first record out yet you know, it's

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Speaker 1: only thing that the promo, right, the promo right right,

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Speaker 1: at a time time when like I already know who

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Speaker 1: I remember hustling on Prince of Roosevelt and Flushing and

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Speaker 1: my Lan coming on and just how I felt to

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Speaker 1: It's really powerful, you know what I'm saying. Like, But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, it's like I'm I'm I'm a

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Speaker 1: project kid from Queens, though you might not see it

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Speaker 1: when you when you look at me, but like I'm

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Speaker 1: literally just coming from Rikers and coming from a halfway house.

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Speaker 1: You said I did to most on Rikers because I

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Speaker 1: jumped bell on on a direct selle and and and

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Speaker 1: then get caught up, get extradited from North Carolina. Don't

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Speaker 1: get no bell I have to do the whole case

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Speaker 1: frou from Rikers and then get probated to a halfway house.

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Speaker 1: From there, I get in school, I get a job.

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Speaker 1: And that's when I'm bumping along. Department. That's all doing

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you're still doing this ship. He's pulling out

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Speaker 1: records and like this problem might be four records, this

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Speaker 1: probably might be six records. There's probably five records. He

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Speaker 1: got no equipment, got turn tables and records, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you know, what's he's possible and he put you know,

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Speaker 1: put one beat on. He's like, yo, I hear this beat,

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Speaker 1: play a bet he I had his baseline play baseline

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Speaker 1: said these horns but it's all in his head. We

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Speaker 1: got no quick They're like like that was that was

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Speaker 1: at this point, right, you know, I'm saying, So what

423
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,959
Speaker 1: Chris does he respects you know, I'm saying, and he's like, yo,

424
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 1: you know I'm gonna put you. I'm gonna put you

425
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 1: somebody to trust. And I think you can trust because

426
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,639
Speaker 1: uh shot him Latifa four Flavor unit. This is the

427
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 1: beginning of OKA. And so we had the deal. Flavor

428
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 1: of the Month was out already and Flavor you know

429
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:07,400
Speaker 1: became our management sense and right right right, And Chris

430
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 1: w wasn't to Rushia you know now, and that's where

431
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 1: we parted. But you know that that was I was

432
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 1: in his office the week you know before he passed.

433
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, So like you know, like

434
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 1: state my brother. You know what I'm saying. And God

435
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 1: bless yeah, God blessed sin silly like just a good man,

436
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 1: a good brother man. I definitely missed, you know what,

437
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 1: definitely missed. I don't wanted to switch to cheat. We'll

438
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 1: crip up. But before we do that, UM, I'll be

439
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: We're miss if I don't ask you this. Do you

440
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 1: think Chris killed this up? Um? It doesn't seem like

441
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: like like the brother I knew. But one thing happened

442
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 1: when when I went to go see Chris, we had

443
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 1: a conversation that we had never had before where he

444
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 1: was talking about, um, we are just talking about inside

445
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 1: the house, you know what I'm saying, Like like me

446
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 1: and christ knowing each other a lot of years and

447
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 1: you know, and and seeing each other through a lot

448
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: of situations, but we generally didn't have the in the

449
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: house about what's going on, you know I'm saying. So,

450
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, So that kind of struck me, like I'll

451
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: never forget that, you know what I'm saying. And I

452
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 1: do know for me to have a conversation like that

453
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 1: with him, he was not in the right space. Not

454
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 1: to say in the race space, because I don't know

455
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: what the race spaces I'm saying, but but he was

456
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: in a space that I didn't really know him for

457
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: being it, you know what I'm saying, like like like

458
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 1: you know, like he was he was sharing a few

459
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: things that you know, like like like like that he

460
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 1: just never shared before. And I've been around him for

461
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: a lot of years and and I'm sure you know,

462
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: there's ups and downs, you know, in all of our lives,

463
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And you know, to the

464
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: degree that he shared a couple of things that I

465
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: you know, like it really kind of kind is stuck

466
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: with me, you know. So you know, so when everything happened,

467
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: I've never known what to think, but it it didn't

468
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: seem like the type of characteristics characteristics that um that

469
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: I knew him to have, you know, like like like

470
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: Chris was a fighter, you know what I'm saying, Like

471
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: even even yeah, you know I was with Chris when

472
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: he got cut us at night, you know, when Chris

473
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: got cut, you know what I'm saying, Like you know,

474
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: like you know, like we swore goes the club. No, No,

475
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: it was uh right right bick square, Like yeah, I

476
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: mean you know, like like Chris was a fighter, you

477
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like you know, and you know,

478
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: and we were all New Yorkers you know what I'm saying,

479
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: Like it's something about being in New Yorker, like you know,

480
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 1: like all our odds can be against you, you know, yeah, yeah,

481
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: right exactly, like you know, like we just don't quit,

482
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it hurt. It hurt

483
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: me that, um, and there's so much down That's what

484
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: hurts me. That's what hurts me is that I like, definitively,

485
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: I was like, Nope, he didn't do he didn't do that,

486
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: Like this is a setup. And then I started to

487
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 1: hang with certain people and certain people revealing things, and

488
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: I mind you, I'm I'm young, young, so like I

489
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 1: don't think he ever revealed certain ship to me like

490
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: he always I could, like he was this strong guy,

491
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: like even at times when I knew he was vulnerable.

492
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: So I say that. Before I say that, I want

493
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: to ask you the same question, Um, do you think,

494
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: because you have the same relationship with Chris pretty much right, Um,

495
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: do you think he killed this up? I mean, of

496
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: course the immediate answers to say no, because Chris, I

497
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: know well never would never take his own life. But

498
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: at the same time, I was gone, like I was

499
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: away for twelve years and you know, I got relasd

500
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: Chris passed away while he was. I got released like

501
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday, and Chris fast like a third like

502
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: two like a day and two after I got released.

503
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: We need to get a se crazy that dres that

504
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: hit me like, yo, Chris want to see you. It

505
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: just was like the day I came home, he was like, yo,

506
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: Chris want to see you. And I was like, all right,

507
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: you got some bread. And he was still trying to help,

508
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: you know what, saying like like like, Chris, you know

509
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: this is my word, Chris, I was releasing an independent project.

510
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,239
Speaker 1: Um you're saying like I've been releasing independent projects over

511
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: the years, you know, just on my own, my own

512
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: little label and kind of just you know, staying you know,

513
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: with my feet, you know, in the culture to how

514
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: I feel. So I was releasing this project called up

515
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: from the Blackpool of Genius, and I stopped by Chris's

516
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: office and let him hear it and talk to him about,

517
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: you know, possibilities of how to push your full it.

518
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 1: Chris jumped on the phone, maybe about three phone calls

519
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: on behalf of it right there. Ye, Chris hadn't managed

520
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: me since he handed me to chuck him. He still

521
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: was a brother, know what I'm saying, Like that was

522
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: my dude, Like you know, like that was because you

523
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: went to Flavor, you know, like but that was my

524
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: could I could call Chris about anything like you know,

525
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: and like I said, we didn't. We didn't really reach

526
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: out to each other like that, but it was always bad,

527
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like like you know, you know,

528
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: I could literally just jump in his car and you know,

529
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 1: like yo, where you're going, you know, dropped me off

530
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: here like like it was like my brother like brothers,

531
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, Like we negotiated his

532
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: first deal, my first deal, you know what I'm saying,

533
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: So so we knew each other before that, you know

534
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying like it wasn't something that was he didn't

535
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: look at me and see dress a black sheet. I

536
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: didn't look at him and see baby Chris when we

537
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: was rocking, you know what I'm saying, Like we had

538
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 1: we was already rockhead and Red really was like oh

539
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: and really he's the one that put me in sheer

540
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: together really like I used to like when they had sessions.

541
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: I guess Chris would have dress and long and long

542
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: like probably writing for me with the beating, because the

543
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: beating us was producing my first album, because I was

544
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: shout out to the beat. I think, like I feel

545
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: like yo, like Chris just like left me there. It

546
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: was just like like but to his credit, he wasn't

547
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: an average kid. What I'm saying, like this kid have

548
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: more sneakers and tasting, you know what I'm saying, and

549
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: and and alpha numeric beep when cats, you know what

550
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying, was trying to send hello to their girls.

551
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying seven whatever the hell? You know

552
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like she was ahead of grown men

553
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: on a certain level. I don't even think he realized

554
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: how fly he was to a degree, you know what

555
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like like she was a flat cat, you know,

556
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: young dude. So even in him getting dropped off, it

557
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 1: was like all right, you know, like I don't mind,

558
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, like he's he's not gonna,

559
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: he's not gonna, he's not gonna bother me. You know

560
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like it was I used to get me

561
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: in spots still you do read dressing read They used

562
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: to get me in everywhere, and I was it wasn't young.

563
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: I was little. I was will a little, you know,

564
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: I used to make it happen. Is Red is the

565
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: uncle that's in everybody's family that that you know, like

566
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 1: he used the one that gives you your first bid man.

567
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: He had him here and he's like, yeah, yeah, you

568
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: know right ya young smoke, you have a smoke. I

569
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: guess me and dress kind of clicked more because I

570
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: guess because everybook from meybody, how we look and everybody

571
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: was like brothers. Definitely looked like we just started running

572
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: around like and it's my word, like I was doing

573
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: your album. I remember I used to be in the

574
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: car with Chris like, Yo, you're giving dressing them all

575
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: a good beats like you're gonna be yeah yo, And

576
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: I remember it's my words back in those days too,

577
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: like you know, because you used to around Micet and

578
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: I remember my feet could barely touch the floor in

579
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: the back seat of my car, like I'll been running

580
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: them since then, like you know, like those was to

581
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: my song, Yeah, like those is you know, this is

582
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: my word. Him and Mice was you know, around, was

583
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: around me and I used to I love to see

584
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: them because they were like just official young cats. You

585
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like just really official cats. I mean,

586
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I love seeing them.

587
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: Later on, I felt a little guilty because I felt like,

588
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: maybe you know, like you know, you wouldn't know what

589
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: to look at me. But maybe I felt like, you know,

590
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: maybe on the undercurrent these things that people don't know

591
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: about me, maybe I was doing a little too much

592
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: around you. You know what I'm saying. So I think

593
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: you both had good hair, beautiful this is true. So

594
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: that means you were smashing a lot. It's a lot

595
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: of finger popping a lot. I mean it was going down.

596
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: Let's make When we lived, Dress had an apartment in

597
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: the Bronx on Theory and it was crazy. It was

598
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: like a two family house. I believe Schoubiz lived downstairs. Downstairs.

599
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: I had the upstain Dress at the upstairs. I was

600
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: in v A and I wasn't even know bucking out,

601
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, getting bulls, getting in this bullshit. Gress was like, yo,

602
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: come on, So he brought me. His son from North

603
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: Carolina wasn't there. You know, he came for the summers,

604
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: so he had to call back the racing car bad Yo,

605
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: and it's funny that you say the finger popping like

606
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: so much ship went down on the racing. She was amazing,

607
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: Like that was the racing cloth back, got it. He'd

608
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: be bringing all kinds you know like she was. You know,

609
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: like his two stop strong level was out the room,

610
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: you know, beyond beyond normal, and he'd be yo, man,

611
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: this dude, I felt. I thought I thought I was

612
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: nice with it, but um, yeah, yeah, she's she's exceptional.

613
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: So let me actually just say, okay, saying something bad,

614
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,479
Speaker 1: but let me ask you to say the question um earlier,

615
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: like so that how did you get down with native tone?

616
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: Because it's like only I had your own careers, but

617
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: then this was this was like your family outside of

618
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: your family, so like how did how did you? How

619
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: did it even start? I got damn? I'm from call Ops,

620
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: sitting in the bronx. Okay, I guess, you know, just

621
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: hanging out outside. I was let twelve, you know, after

622
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: school on weekends, Alison and Keith of the Safari Sisters,

623
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: they used to dance for our teeth. It was like

624
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: one summer they had their own apartment because they all

625
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: knew my my older brothers, you know, from high school,

626
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: from Truman and all that. So I was like little.

627
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: I was a little cheap little brother Troit little brother.

628
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: So it was once something. Allowed used to always that's summer.

629
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: She used to be there and everybody, like everybody used

630
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: to be there, like from Special. Let you say, Latifa

631
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: used to be there and um you know, she was

632
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: staying with her dances and it was just like that

633
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: was like the party house, like and you gotta remember

634
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: this is like the late eighties, so Latif is Latieth

635
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: for empty lights there everybody Special led epmbs like saying,

636
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: but they say, we was like yeo, this ship is

637
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: little over, you know what I mean. And I was

638
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: just little cheat and I used to I guess I

639
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: just knew Alice was a little I was pat like twelve,

640
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like I used to be

641
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: the little old nigga just having holding their cracks, like

642
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: just through and this before I had to record out,

643
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: like they had Alison and Keeper's house. It was like

644
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: it was like the hip hop hangout. So I used

645
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: to just be hanging out. They needed something from the store,

646
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, if they're going to smoke weed, they'd be

647
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: like cheating the room, you know, what I mean that

648
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: type thing. But and so Chris was always there and

649
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: being at there was so many chicks. Christ and Shot

650
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: Kim was like the only dudes that was always there.

651
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: So I always was cool with Christ and Shot and

652
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: I guess because Chris was from the Bronx, we just

653
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: clicked more. And then um I had asked Lock they

654
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: had to shell big show at the at the Apolo.

655
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: I asked her could I because she get me tickets

656
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: and she was like, why don't you just come with us?

657
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: And I was like cool. So when we get to

658
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: the Apollo, I went with Chris and the Jungle Brothers

659
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: because you know they was girls. They had to change

660
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: and ship, you know what I mean. So I went

661
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: with the Fellas and then I think Africa missed the

662
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: flight from like London, so you know, Sammy and Sammy

663
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: Be and Mike g was kind of figure out how

664
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: was they gonna do the show and I just was like,

665
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: let me run. They was like what, Like I didn't

666
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: even know where she came from, because anybody now, I

667
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: never wrote a rap like I think I had. I

668
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: had my pap sent me to like African man classes

669
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: and queens, like I think it was on Jamaica or

670
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: Hillside that back in the day, and they used to

671
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: make us write poetry. So I had like three or

672
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: four poems. But you know, to me, I guess, poetry

673
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: wasn't cool. So to me, they was my my little rap.

674
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: So that's how I composed it. So um, Chris was

675
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: like what you're gonna say? So I said to run

676
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: and Chris was like word him and Mike Mike was like,

677
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: not gonna be scared. I was like nah, it was

678
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: like I Mike g called me out. And that was

679
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: my first time performing. I rocked up polo. You know

680
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: this is the skipped over that lord pollow the first performance.

681
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: He said, that's so the was just like oh shorty,

682
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: like the ship was at many club and no one cared.

683
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, I swear to go, like I never thought

684
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: about rapping. I never It just it was meant to be,

685
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: I guess. And when I got off the stage, the

686
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: Jungle Brothers were still performing and Chris was like, yo,

687
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: I just started the label on the son you You're

688
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: gonna be the first person on song. But let me

689
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: ask you, so when you hit that stage, what what

690
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: was it? It wasn't the adrenaline or was it the

691
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: people's reaction? Was it just the performance or what the book? Like,

692
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: I was nervous, as Okay, that's true, that's that's adrenaline,

693
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: that's saying. So the adrenaline definitely was floying. But I

694
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: don't know, like I just I just went for minds, like,

695
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: I can't tell you what it was. I just was like,

696
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: that's called me. I just was like yo. But the

697
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: crowd had to react. And that's what really, you know,

698
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying made it pop because the crowd like

699
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: really took to me. Let me ask. You know, you

700
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: aren't your first shoes with comedy club. Nobody gave so.

701
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: And I was dating two girls at the time. I

702
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: didn't think either one of them would come, and they

703
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,959
Speaker 1: both came. And I was saying ship like I didn't

704
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: think I was that and I was lit in the hood.

705
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: But that's nowhere else, nowhere else. No one I was

706
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: giving about me. So was it discouraging to you? No,

707
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: it was, and it wasn't. It was discouraging because it

708
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: was only people from my hood who kind of knew

709
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: me and knew my words. But everyone who wasn't from

710
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: the hood just looking at us like we was bozos

711
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: and looking at us like who the funk are they?

712
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: And they had not heard this new queen sound at

713
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: the time. You know what I'm saying that we was

714
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: we was was actually advanced. So did it discourage me

715
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: a lot? Did I act like any discourage me? No,

716
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 1: but it did discourage me. When you when you're going

717
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: like this and the motherfucker ate moving that fucks you up.

718
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: You're like, wait a minute, I seemed the actor came

719
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: on before me. Look at you like it's always a

720
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: hardcore dude word and it's just standing it because because

721
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: he made it, he you doing his slot. That was

722
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: so always that one nig though, but now it was

723
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: all artists. There's no fans now it's really no I

724
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: really got only fans. They should make up at no

725
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: fans because there's no fans now everyone it's an artist.

726
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: Everyone's a star. Like that's the reasoning about the filters, Like,

727
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: you know, I wish that, you know, like when they

728
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: post new music, I wish they didn't have likes, like

729
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: like like you know, so that way, so that way,

730
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, You're not liking something because

731
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 1: it's got a million views. I wish you don't have views.

732
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, like, so that way,

733
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, like you keep the keep the stats, but

734
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: just don't making public because there's so many cats that

735
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: just like things. Because it's got a billion views, You're

736
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: absolutely right, because like Netflix don't give out their numbers.

737
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: But what Netflix do do is they'll put one, two, three,

738
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: four or five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, So you're

739
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: you're you're drawing to that even though they ain't putting numbers,

740
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: Like if this ship is number one on netflicks, check

741
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah, yeah, so you're right, you're the same

742
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: same thing, same in theory. You know what I'm saying, Like, Yo,

743
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: if something's got a billion views, yo, you I'm like

744
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: a billion people don't see this. I ain't seeing this.

745
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: That's right, you're saying, like, yeah, what is you know

746
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,959
Speaker 1: saying you're automatically drawn to it and everybody that sees

747
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: it is. But if if there's no views, if there's

748
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: no likes, then when I hear something, I like it

749
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: because I like it. But you know what I'm saying,

750
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: I like it because it resonates. I like because it

751
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: speaks to me. What I'm saying, it's not that it's popular,

752
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: it's not that you know, this is the end thing

753
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: and this is the next this is the prototype, this

754
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: is the blue print. Not it's organic what I'm saying.

755
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: And that's where all music comes from. I missed that

756
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: aspect of our music because all of the records that

757
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: exist today, they existed back then, you know, saying all

758
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: a little ridiculous whatever over the top of the all

759
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: of that, you know, wearing whatever that. No, No, the

760
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: difference is that it was juxtaposed next to equality, you

761
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like like like there was you got.

762
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: It wasn't French fries every day. You know, I'm saying,

763
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: you had the choice French fries, steak, potatoes. You could

764
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: be a vegan, you could be you know, you could

765
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: be your meat lover's platinum. It didn't matter. But but

766
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: you got a chance to make your own plate. Nowadays,

767
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: it's just fresh. It's just all French fries. It's a

768
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: little bit of the twist. Something is chili French fries.

769
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: Some got cayenne pepper on them, some got pieces of

770
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: ship it. But it's all fed. But it's but I

771
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: take away the views too, because you can manipulate that,

772
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, because before it was word of mouth, it

773
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: was people telling you this is dope, and then you

774
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: listen to it. If it was dope, it was dope,

775
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: you kept and you pass it off to your friends

776
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: and you hold me, you copy the tape. Now an

777
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: algorithm can dictate that, and that can be manipulated. And

778
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: also I give the power back to DJs. I hate

779
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: I hate that that music right now is what's the

780
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: word um that when it's played everywhere syndicated again, it's

781
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: programmed that the syndicated. The syndication sucks up up hip hop.

782
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: It takes away our creativity. It takes the power out

783
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: of DJ's hands. A d J in Baltimore or to

784
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: be able to introduce the people of Baltimore to what's

785
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: popping in Bolton saying yeah, yeah, yeah, people in Virginia

786
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: need to know, Yo, this is you know what's going

787
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: on here? This is a new cat from all the

788
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: hood and and and and and each place gets a

789
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: chance to champion what's what's what's what's coming to the service.

790
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: But right now, everybody's playing the same record so much

791
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: in degree that cats don't even feel like there a

792
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: New York cat. Don't sound like a New York cat.

793
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: He sounds like a syndicated cat. It ain't even about

794
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: it ain't even about where, it ain't even about North

795
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: southeast what he sounds syndicated. I think a lot of

796
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: that I'm saying. The other day he was saying how

797
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: the music today doesn't last, and I think that's why

798
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: he said. But I think that's what what Dredge just said.

799
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: I think that's why we're living in the McDonald's world.

800
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: Everywhere you know, McDonald's friends ain't going, But we also

801
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: got some real hip hop ship here right right, you

802
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And I want to bring my

803
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: man Molecules from the Legion. Dress is Dress is popping.

804
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: And he had his label One Love to Mercury through

805
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: PolyGram and the Legion was the first group that Word

806
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: of Mind introduced. Ques was with me from the beginning. Ques,

807
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: actually we used to be walking to shows from Van

808
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: Was you know you was actually road. I understand. I

809
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: don't even like that's got the game when you defense

810
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: is offense, you know what I'm saying. So I got

811
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: to say, who point you know what got me? I

812
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: got you? I got you. Let me just find some

813
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: covering them are let me bring him in. Okay, I'm sorry,

814
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Really was that before the teacher to take

815
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: over my shoulders? Now we gotta get into into the

816
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: Black Sheep first album and like yes, yes, yes, yeah.

817
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: Like I feel like, would you say that that's what

818
00:40:55,560 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 1: you're drinking the Yeah, someone drink, we're taking shots the record.

819
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: I'd like to keeping the Black owned. Basically, I'm talking shot.

820
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: You want to drink, I want to shot? All right,

821
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: let's do a shot. Kind of hurt me to say

822
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: that you say syndicated it's her hip hop, because I

823
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: feel like you're like, no, but that's a one record.

824
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: You're talking about the sound overall and people yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

825
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, I say, like just to just to real

826
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 1: quickly there, the syndication I'm talking about is the same

827
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: playlist that every radio station is playing. It's the cookie

828
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: cutter ship. I just had a popular record saying that

829
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: that radio stations chose to play. You know I'm saying,

830
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: but the syndication is everyone that falls under the umbrella

831
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: of what's the heart radio plays the same they all

832
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: they all get the same list. Coconut coconup. Okay, you're

833
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: saying like like every all of these DJ's on all

834
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: of the power stations, they all get the same list,

835
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: all of the whatever stations, they'll get the same list.

836
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about, Like they're taking the power

837
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: out of DJ's and what more these playlists, Like I

838
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: really believe there's an agenda, you know something, because the

839
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: playlists aren't aren't health Like why aren't our playlists healthy?

840
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: And yeah, like period, like like like the things that

841
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: that the things that have the largest platform, every every

842
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: radio station that has that, every power radio station, like

843
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: like like what what do we what do we feeding

844
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: these kids? You know what I'm saying, because at the

845
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: end of the day, like like the prison system is

846
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: really is really big business, and and and whose kids

847
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: are they gonna put into prison? What do these kids

848
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: listen to? Well, we don't want them to listen to

849
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: things that are gonna put them on the path that

850
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: a Chuck d or k r Rest might put them on,

851
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: or even a native tongue might put them on. You

852
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like like like like how can

853
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: we you know what I'm saying, basically keep the agenda

854
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: as is well, basically, we can make sure all the

855
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,479
Speaker 1: radio stats is the plan this sheet of paper saying,

856
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: and what's the one that the paper ain't healthy? I

857
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: agree and disagree. I not feel like say one thing. Listen,

858
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 1: our show is about bigging up all legends while they alive.

859
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: We want to let you know that this is about y'all,

860
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: the bringing in the holdie. After we do QuickTime with

861
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: Slime and I want to say, y'all legends and we

862
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: appreciate y'all. That's a little guy, Dad. That's a dred

863
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: That's all. I mean, you know I'm a marijuana. But

864
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: I think what Dreds is really saying is like back

865
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: in the days, if we went to Clue or Red

866
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: but the record, he would play it if he liked

867
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: it or if he didn't like it, would it. But

868
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: it's like you go to a DJ now when it's like,

869
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: well yo, it's you know, it's program directors, and it's

870
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: like yo, and what the funk you this one? Are you?

871
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be the biggest nigger in this state.

872
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: Ain't play a record? You like? Yeah, lost their powers, right,

873
00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: it was powers at radio lost their powers. It still up.

874
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: But but you certified crew. They don't got no um,

875
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: no ties and no radio station, no ties and nothing,

876
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: and they have their own following. Like I remember it,

877
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: it's been bad if I made if I made who

878
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: got that there are? But if I made one of

879
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: those right, but if I made the ones that mattered

880
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: when when the sound was being developed, was on the

881
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: radio at night on weekends, and it was the biggest

882
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: platform all music had. What I'm saying, So at the

883
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: end of the day, So at the end of the day,

884
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: let them other niggas be the lesson niggas. You know

885
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. All music needs to be creative, Our

886
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: needs to be We need to be able to be

887
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: able to We need to be able to do the

888
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: things that that got us here. We're not even able

889
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: to do the things that got us here. You know

890
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Let the mother niggas be the be

891
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: the niggas. Yeah, yeah, Well there's some other niggas that's

892
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: doing some syndicated ship. They are whatever. They need to

893
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: be the lesson niggas, not us. We're the ones that

894
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 1: put it in the middle America's home. We're the reason

895
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: niggas is getting the paper they get you know what

896
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and and and they and and and I

897
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: don't dig the ag ism that cats trying to play

898
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: in hip hop, especially when you know what I'm saying,

899
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: this is my word. Like yea, if you've been a

900
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: mechanic for twenty years, you're messing mechanic. You've been taking

901
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: taekwondo for thirty years, twenty years, you have messed a

902
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: taekwondo a third day and teacher. If you've been a chef,

903
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: your master chef, yo, these kids cannot compete. Just kidding,

904
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: how you gonna watch? How you gonna wah chefs at

905
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: all nicest? You know what I'm saying, like like like

906
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: I got I got, I got I like that you don't.

907
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: As a DJ, I gotta say, going back to the

908
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: DJ conversation, there was the era that and wronger right,

909
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: the era that that I'm coming from. DJ we dictated

910
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: to the audience what was dope R. That's what I'm saying.

911
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: It's different now the audience is telling the DJ. But

912
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: we're not gonna think. Let me just tell you something.

913
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: You're right to a certain extent. It's like me, like

914
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: one of my favorite DJ, DJ Camillo, Right, No, DJ

915
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: Camillo on the radio is playing a record for five

916
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 1: to fifteen seconds. You watch him in the club, he's

917
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: gonna tell that same record down. So what I'm saying

918
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: is to me, that's still a DJ to me because

919
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: he knows how to play it and he knows how

920
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: to sneak it in between these other top forty records

921
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: that are accepted not everybody's. But this is what I said.

922
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: I said, I said, they still exist. But you know what,

923
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: do you know what I want? I wonder, I wonder

924
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: how many DJs will be playing this ship though? How

925
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: many these will we will be playing the ship that

926
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: they're playing if it wasn't on that list on a

927
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: real say, how many of these money fun money? Don't

928
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: you can't give me money to pay that? You know

929
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying this, This is still real DJ's out there

930
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: flexible to sell on money man, FLEXI money. You know

931
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like like you know, at the end

932
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: of the day, I'm not speak on that at all,

933
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: just to say, you know what I'm saying, like flexa

934
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, like this is my word, like like

935
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: and I'm not shouting Flex'm not, but but I'm but

936
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm but I'm telling I'm telling everybody right now, just

937
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: shouting flex because you know what I'm saying. I don't.

938
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what flex is doing, but I'm not

939
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: seeing that. But I do notice for a fact that

940
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: that any could be anything could be circumvented to be

941
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: whatever it needs to be. I'm saying it might not

942
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: be paper the way you get paid. You know what

943
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But but don't think that somebody's not getting

944
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: paid because because because because you don't see the transaction.

945
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: You know, I assgue with you as well. But I'm

946
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: telling you I've seen people come with bags. Yeah, yeah,

947
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: I get it. I get it. If he don't like

948
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: the record, he will not do, doesn't doesn't have that,

949
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: doesn't have a marketing company. I know exactly what you're

950
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: going with it. Again, he's uh company, market company? Yeah yah, yeah,

951
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, I just had a market the company. If

952
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: he had market I felt one point he had a

953
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: marketing company. You don't talk to me, Yeah, you get

954
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: your marketed. Yeah, don't talk to that. I say, I

955
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: say that that could be true. It's not even there

956
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: no more. So that's how them telling you. But I'm

957
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: just saying ship worked. I had a great relationship with him.

958
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: We were like this at one point when I was

959
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: platinum and I had that man a record. We're good,

960
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: he said, Doria ain't sucking with this ship. It was

961
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: nothing not gonna offer him. I couldn't offer him a

962
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: free performance at the tunnel. He wasn't fun with that record.

963
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: Then I came back two months later gave him a

964
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: record after this shoot out in front of Night seven.

965
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: I don't know nothing about I can't even give him

966
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: the record. I couldn't even physic like make eye contact

967
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: with him because I wasn't allowed in the building, so

968
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: I had to give him the record. Dude, I can't

969
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: even say a window. It was a door. So we

970
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: didn't physically make eye contact. Like I just seen his

971
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: hand and he's seen my brown skin hand. If he

972
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: just had to guess that we was each other, it

973
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: was like we was in jail, like you know what

974
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Put and you could tell he played, he

975
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: could tell his his his confidence in me wasn't it

976
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I wasn't sure Flex was

977
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: a big fan of me or not. I know he

978
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 1: respected me and I respected him. But then he played

979
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: the record, and he played for two seconds. Homeboy. I

980
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: came the party and then he single handedly stopped that

981
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: motherfucker and was like, I'm sorry, Nor because he knew

982
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: he had funt of him. He knew he treated me

983
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: like like the guy asking for change, you know, downstairs,

984
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: and he gave me the change like this, like you

985
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like like this. So I would

986
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: say that to say in his defense, where he liked something,

987
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: you ain't got to give him nothing. He's gonna get

988
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: behind it. He gonna he gonna because he's gonna put

989
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: hip hop first. And I know I'm my personal experience

990
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: as far as bread right, this is my word flex.

991
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: I've known flex. I remember I gave this chick some

992
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: party people big pick up this Sally. Sally was man cool.

993
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: I get Sally the Valleys, gave Salad some paper. She

994
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: had an all girl crew, gave us some paper. They

995
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: had original Flavor perform there at the party. You know

996
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And and and and I didn't have

997
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: nothing to do it just front of some paper, you

998
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But I came by the party

999
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: and I'm saying it was dope, original flavor performance, saying

1000
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: at the table this young jay Z and Ski and

1001
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: all them, they saying at the table rocking, you know

1002
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And I probably a little hot because

1003
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: I probably should have rocked with him. But I was

1004
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: just taking it all in the high, you know what

1005
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Until she comes up to me and she's like, Yo,

1006
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: they fronting on me downstairs. They won't pay me, And

1007
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, work like, you know, like I ain't n

1008
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: up do with it. I gave her paper, she got

1009
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: the spot herself. But the record is blazing hot at

1010
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: this at this moment, so I'm like, Yo, come on,

1011
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: come on out, says show me now stays. So I

1012
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: go downstairs with Sally. You know what I'm saying. Some

1013
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: Italian cats are but they looked young, you know, saying

1014
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: um in the office as a bunch of paper on

1015
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: the table, I walk in. I just grabbed the tape.

1016
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: I just grabbed the paper, like yo, this this your paper, right,

1017
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: And she was like yeah, So I just grab the people.

1018
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, what's what's up with y'all? Know

1019
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. They're just looking at me like, you know,

1020
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: like what are you doing? I was like, yo, she

1021
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: she ran into the spot from yall right this you

1022
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: got a spot from right. So they're like yeah. So

1023
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, well I just saw I take my

1024
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: paper out and and just as I'm counting my paper out,

1025
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: Flex comes down. She haird Flex. This is we're probably

1026
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: one of Flexes, probably one of his first gigs literally

1027
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: in the city. Flex come down and he's loud like, yo,

1028
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: who who will paying me? Though? Who are paying? So?

1029
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: So I'm like, yeah, yeah, same Flex. So I'm like, yo,

1030
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: how much you get paid? Three hunted three hundred that's

1031
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:47,959
Speaker 1: how early this how early it was in his career.

1032
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: Three hund three h gig. You know what I'm saying.

1033
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: I count three hundred dollars out of the paper. I

1034
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: give it to him. He doing gigs for a ounce

1035
00:51:54,160 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: of weed this time. Make out that it was my

1036
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 1: little paper out and I gave the rest of sally.

1037
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 1: That's the general. Was we good? They ain't saying nothing.

1038
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: I ain't saying nothing. No, That's how I played out.

1039
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: Now we gotta go back to what I was asking you.

1040
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: The choice is yours talk about that record, the making

1041
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: of it, and did you know it was gonna be

1042
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: as big as it was. Um. The making of it

1043
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: was kind of cool because like, you know, like we

1044
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: just came off Flavor of the Month, which I thought

1045
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: was like really creative. I thought Flavor of the Month

1046
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: should have been like one of the biggest singles in

1047
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: hip hop, just because I really thought like it was

1048
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: just this really creatively done joint and it was just

1049
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: bright was a break record, Um, but Nordy by Nature

1050
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: gave it a real kicking ask and with an O

1051
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: P P. You know what I'm saying, Like like like

1052
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: like we're going head and head and I feel like

1053
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 1: they kind of got us with that. So our next single,

1054
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: we was like, you know, like like we really gotta

1055
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: we really gotta put something that just is undeniable what

1056
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying, But like, because I wrote a play of

1057
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: the Month was undenival and a little bit too. I

1058
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: think the way long Intro did kind of left a

1059
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: little bit of funniness in my mouth and a few

1060
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: other people's mouths. So that was kind of it was

1061
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,959
Speaker 1: it was a little bit understandable why everything just wasn't

1062
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: a mind. So now let's get everything aligned with this

1063
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: next single. So we choose to do the choices yours.

1064
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: I write three whole new verses. Long is gonna do

1065
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: a remix when Long comes with this track that has

1066
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: the baseline, and when one comes to the track that

1067
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: we you know now know its choice is just my word,

1068
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: Like I had never heard anything like this in my life.

1069
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: Like I looked at him like like almost like he

1070
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: was a Martian, like a free Like, Yo, how the

1071
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: fund did you do? What is it? What is it?

1072
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: You know I'm saying, And then you know, listening to

1073
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: it again, listen to it again, and all right, So

1074
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: I got three new verses. I laid three new verses

1075
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: on it, and I'm feeling like, Yo, this ship is crazy.

1076
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Um, we give it to Mercury.

1077
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: Mercury's like, you know, what's it's? I but, um, you

1078
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: know this baseline it's cool. But the real, the real

1079
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: remix should be keep the first two verses from the

1080
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: original and this engine engine number not like make that

1081
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: the remix makes Let's just make that. They told you

1082
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: to take that out. They told me, they told me

1083
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: to take out the first two verses. I wrote three

1084
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: new verses. It told me to leave the first to

1085
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: put them the side and just just add this third verse?

1086
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: Did just say that that? And you know when you're

1087
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: young and somebody tells you something this, this is what

1088
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: y'll do. Yeah, that's what you'll do. You're something, just

1089
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. Let's do it. I argue, all right, cool,

1090
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: let's do it. And it clicked, you know, it literally click.

1091
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: And I remember us being in the studio and I

1092
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: remember um turning along. We're mixing it, we're mixing and

1093
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: playing aloud in the speaker, and I just turned along

1094
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yo, man, like I don't know what

1095
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: we just did, but I know we just did something

1096
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: like meeting and nowadays words, that's what you mean honestly,

1097
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: Like I was hoping it was, you know what I'm saying,

1098
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: because you know, like in hip hop, hip hop could

1099
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: be kind of funny sometimes, you know what I'm saying,

1100
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: Like you could you could know something that's just amazing

1101
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: and be like yeah what yeah you know? So you know,

1102
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: like so you know, but I think at this particular point,

1103
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: I was I hadn't really gotten that humbled yet, you

1104
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: know same whares. I was like, yo, I knew, I

1105
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: knew this year I knew we did something. You know

1106
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 1: I'm saying, But did I know that thirty years later,

1107
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 1: you know she would be and join the Fighter Verse record?

1108
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: You know yeah, you know, like it's it's like every

1109
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: three to five years, this record gets a rebirth of

1110
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: a major magnetude and it introduces it to a younger generation.

1111
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: And you know it's now like you know, I literally

1112
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: have you know, grandkids singing this song, not just kids,

1113
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: not just you know, you know, like it's it's become

1114
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: multi generational, you know what I'm saying. And I already

1115
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: see where where it's being played for infants type ship

1116
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: like and I'm like wow, Like you know, it amazes me.

1117
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: And one of the dopest things about this to me

1118
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: is is that I get to be a part of

1119
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: my children's lives when I'm not here. You know what

1120
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: I'm saying that Like that means it makes so much

1121
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 1: to me, you know, saying like like like I don't

1122
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: come from that, I don't I don't come from anybody

1123
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: giving me anything. You know, I'm saying, regardless of who, what, where,

1124
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: how Okay, hold on, you can drink right now, you

1125
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: got anybody? Hold on real quire we end this on

1126
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: on for artists listening and the business side of it.

1127
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: How was that set up for you? Do you still

1128
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: eat off that record? You got to go back to that.

1129
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: I was gonna go back with the quick time Hold on,

1130
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: Hold hold. We were talking about let's stay with it

1131
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: because everything did you you were young and doing that record.

1132
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: Did did you guys do everything right? So that record

1133
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 1: that lives today and we'll live on forever does benefit

1134
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: your children and your children's children. UM, thank god, um,

1135
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 1: thank god we did um Like we didn't. We didn't

1136
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: maximize the situation to the degree that like the deal

1137
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: wasn't a fair deal book, whereas monetarily we didn't. We

1138
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: didn't take a number we should the number we took.

1139
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: They got paid in full the very first check, very first, first,

1140
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: very first, the very first publishing check that came in

1141
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: three months later that comes were recouped from what they

1142
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: gave us, recruited very first, the label put into it

1143
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: for anybody, the very first check. So they've had number

1144
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: props thirty years. We was recouped very he was never

1145
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: in the red, always in the green, because that's what

1146
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: they say. Oh well, they tried, they tried to. They

1147
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, they're gonna try that's that's

1148
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: the game. They we went gold like immediately, and they

1149
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: to this day if you look up my record, they

1150
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: would probably still try to say it's just gold. You know,

1151
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, but with a record like that, I'm saying, like,

1152
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, like, but that's the album when gold is

1153
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: what you're saying the album, but that record, but even

1154
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: the album we went, we went, we went. The album

1155
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: went gold the first uh six seven months, it's platinum,

1156
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: multi platinum already, yeah, I'm saying, but it's still listed

1157
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: as the gold record. You know what I'm saying, right

1158
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: right right there, And that's where they stopped at nothing

1159
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: something I'm saying, So moving forward now right right right

1160
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: right right right, so so moving forward right so moving

1161
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: forward anything that has to be done. They throw that

1162
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: out hoping that that's the gauge you're you're cool with,

1163
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,919
Speaker 1: you know, any other gage requires you sending someone in there,

1164
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But you know, I'm from

1165
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: the yo, like like if anybody learned I learned from y'all, alright,

1166
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: that sends somebody in there, you know what I'm saying,

1167
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: Like I'm quick like, I gotta like a commercial choice.

1168
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: The choice m hm na, you know the mics are

1169
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: just so check it. We're gonna get back to that

1170
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: because I want to. Um. I got a lot more

1171
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: questions of that. Um. But this is a game we

1172
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: played quick time and slim. Being that you're not drinking,

1173
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna put it all on cheeste. Is that okay?

1174
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: It's all only come on you. You're here to have fun,

1175
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: got damn it? All right, cool, but we're gonna drink

1176
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: with You're gonna drink with you, so I'm a professional

1177
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: grabbing other water mother place it alright? Cool? All right,

1178
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: So this is how the game go. Don't give you

1179
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: two choices. You can pick one of the other, that's cool.

1180
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: But if you pick both, then Ustin she got to drink. Yeah,

1181
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: we're all drinking. If you pick neither, we gotta drink.

1182
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: It's politically correct. We're drinking. But if you get politically correct,

1183
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: we drink. But if genuinely you mean both, yeah, genuinely

1184
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: you mean both. Right, So you're ready, you're ready? She

1185
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: keep okay that over there. She let me know he

1186
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: might be driving, like, yo, don't do too much. Cool,

1187
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: you're ready all right, Biggie or jay Z Right, it's easy.

1188
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna take that big of a shot. You can

1189
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: take a regular shot. I just shot for this farm.

1190
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: You're gotta take the shots. Yeah, yeah, it's better. It's

1191
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: better that way. It's kind of okay. Would you about

1192
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: to say? I think I think it gonna be a

1193
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: long one. And I think both of them are mad cool.

1194
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: I like I know them both, but I don't know

1195
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: neither of them. Well, you know what I'm saying, But

1196
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: I but but I've had the play as you of

1197
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: of of being you know, someone that bumps into them

1198
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: for for years and years, and like I used to

1199
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: bump in the I used to bump in the big

1200
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: and he'd be with Seeds and Kim and I'd be

1201
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: with Cheat and it might be times square like three

1202
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: four in the morning, you know what I'm saying. Like,

1203
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: and we stopped, you know what I'm saying, And we

1204
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: swop for like a half an hour. You know what

1205
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I ain't gonna kind of blowing each other up.

1206
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: Must just go all the way, you know, like you know,

1207
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: like because because they were like kids, you know, over

1208
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: him seas and and uh, Kim, you know, like you know,

1209
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: like you might have a litt puppy eyes creature. I

1210
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: don't remember, but you know, just to say, like but

1211
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: me and but me and Big, you know what I'm saying,

1212
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: Like we were we were trying to figure it out,

1213
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I remember the first time

1214
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: I met Big. Big came up to me on the

1215
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: show in Virginia and he walks up to me. It's

1216
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: Big comes and I just finished rocking. He comes up

1217
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: and I'm standing in the club and he walks with me,

1218
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: stands next to me. He's like, I don't know who

1219
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: he using nothing, And he's like, Yo, I'm just gonna

1220
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: stand because I know I know the bitch is about

1221
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: to be right here. I just started dying laughing like yo,

1222
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, like like and you know, like like Big

1223
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: was funny, like he was genuine sounds like you're going, Big, Um,

1224
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: see how you did said that. I was gonna say

1225
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: the little things I knew about j you know what

1226
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But you know, like like is a different,

1227
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: different kind of character. But I'm I guess I have

1228
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: to go with Jay just because of of the opportunity

1229
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: that life afforded him. Okay, you know what I'm saying,

1230
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: all right, Queen Latifa or money Lave, Oh, I'm gonna

1231
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: go with I'm gonna go a lot. Yeah, Okay, damn

1232
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: I love both. But you know yeah, okay, big all

1233
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: big punt. Oh, that's a good one. You gotta drink.

1234
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: That's a good one. We don't mind. You can punish us,

1235
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: you can punish us. Let me keep it a buck

1236
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: punned by the hair, by the hair on my tooth. Okay,

1237
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: pun was was beyond special. Um And this is my word,

1238
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: like like cat's no, punk was special, but cats don't

1239
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: really speak to the depth of how special punk was.

1240
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: That was special. That was the word Smith l was

1241
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 1: dead nice for his but the depth of punt Okay,

1242
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: that was nowhere near. Okay, and that's the difference for me. Okay,

1243
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: the Brons took queens. Okay, good looking brothers gonna take

1244
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: that because I took you with were relocated. Let me

1245
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: keep it up. I got I got a lot of

1246
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: love for the Bronx, and the Bronx embraced me. And

1247
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But this is my word,

1248
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: like Queen's raised me. You know what I'm saying when

1249
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: I when I was on aland A thoughts from Brooklyn.

1250
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, that's the result of queens.

1251
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: When I was down South state, you know, like everything

1252
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: everything that anybody ever thought, you know what I'm saying,

1253
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: for better or worse was a result of queens. Que

1254
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 1: tip off for Rell tip easily. Okay, Yeah, I knew

1255
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: that fix, but I know you. I know for Roles

1256
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: every hard for me though too. Okay, But this one,

1257
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: I don't know where you're gonna go with Jongo Brothers

1258
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: update lost so um yeah, that that one, I can't alright, alright,

1259
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: so we gotta drink drinking. We gotta drink either cheer

1260
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: that one. You've been feeling good though. We're on one

1261
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: like mostly everybody even wanting to be politically because because

1262
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: because to me, it's like it's like it's like picking

1263
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: your favorite kid or picking you know, your favorite when

1264
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: this game is fos, it's like should drink for you?

1265
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: You're drinking this We were go get killed too, but

1266
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: we're going with cher right now. The tunnel or Latin Quarters. Um,

1267
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Latin Quarters because not not not

1268
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 1: And like they were they were both. They were both

1269
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: Yo can say you'll Latin quarters story, please get let's

1270
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: get into it, let's go, and it's my word. I'm

1271
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: not sure, that's so so so so I'm gonna put

1272
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: a curse on this. I'm not sure. One night I leave,

1273
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: i leave the Bland Projects. You know, say, I'm hustling

1274
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: and the band in Queen's. Normally I'm hanging out with

1275
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: my dudes, like we'd all go to a spot, you know,

1276
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: saying together, like you literally keep ol J on the

1277
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: whole literally like we're all young hustling kids. So we

1278
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: got little those I don't know old j as a

1279
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: cap service, right right, right cool because everyone but you know,

1280
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: like we're young hustling your kids, so you know, like

1281
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: we're in range of of seeing maybe a g a

1282
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: day as as young hustlers, which in the eighties is

1283
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: a lot of money. You know what I'm saying, Like

1284
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: Bentles is my spot, Yeah, the Red Parrot, Like you

1285
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like I'm a I'm yeah, I'm

1286
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: all over you know what I'm saying. And I'm coming

1287
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: right out right out of the Bland Project. You know

1288
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying, but I've run with a real cool crew

1289
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: and you know, like we hitting up spots together and

1290
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: it's nothing for us to spend five to seven eight

1291
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: hundred dollars hanging out. So um, so uh, this particular

1292
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: story is uh, I'm I'm almost Black Quarters. Like yeah, no, no, no,

1293
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: I was about to tell you. I'm like, yeah, this

1294
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: particular story, Um, nobody wants to hang out with me

1295
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: this name, and I want to go to land Quarters,

1296
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I take a cab

1297
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: by myself. I take old j by myself. And the

1298
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: way I'm dressed, you know, I got a little jewelry

1299
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: on I got you know, I might have had maybe

1300
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: a little make up maybe whatever it was. I didn't

1301
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: have to I didn't have to wait. You know what

1302
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I woke by. I woke by the front

1303
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 1: and I kind of not you know, at the security

1304
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: they opened up to the opening. Let me cool. So

1305
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: now I'm in. You know, I'm saying like paying was

1306
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: an issue, Like you know, I'm saying, I'm in. So

1307
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: now I'm standing by myself, just taking it in, you know,

1308
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: And I do this from time of time. I would

1309
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: leave the projects and just go to different plugs. I

1310
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: go to roseland and catch tricky tea and you know,

1311
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: and things. You know, just by myself, you know what

1312
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because hip hop is young and you know,

1313
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 1: I just love it like that. So I'm in a

1314
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: spot and this dude walks up with me and he's like, yo,

1315
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 1: true and I'm like, oh, ship, this nigga has no

1316
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: idea who I am. But he's adamant true true, Yo,

1317
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: I ain't seen you since that out of that and

1318
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I'm not true. He's like what he's

1319
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: looking at me. He's like, Yo, this is my word.

1320
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: I thought you Yo, you look just like my man.

1321
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, You look just I ain't

1322
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: seen him since blah blah blah. Yo, Yo, you're bugging

1323
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 1: me out. You look so much like him. And I

1324
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: can see he's getting crazy paper, just dudes getting you know,

1325
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: like he's beyond heavy crazy, you know, maked out this

1326
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 1: and he's like getting crazy paper. I'm like, oh, you know,

1327
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 1: like now I'm not dude. So he wants to see, like, yo,

1328
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 1: get some champagne from one of his dudes. He's gonna

1329
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: sit down. He was a talk he's like, Yo, it's

1330
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 1: too loud in here. Yo, take a ride with me. Man.

1331
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: I'm like what He's like, yo, take around me. So

1332
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right. We walked out the club, he

1333
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: got the Bens park right in the front, were getting

1334
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: the bens. We're driving around. He started driving up. He's

1335
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 1: home the Alto. Is this you're just my word? I

1336
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:16,600
Speaker 1: honestly think it was. He starts showing me blocks and

1337
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, like, yeah, this is this. You

1338
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: know we can do this here, we do this here,

1339
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: my mom's holds down this and like I don't know

1340
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: if that was in this story or not, but this

1341
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: stupid this cat tells me my mom's holds down this.

1342
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: And you know what kind of gunning you like, my

1343
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 1: mom's gonna get the guns? Is that you like? Like?

1344
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know, like I'm hustling at the time.

1345
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: But he's talking about ship. That's you know, like I'm

1346
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: from I'm from Queens, you know what they like? Like

1347
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: he's talking about Big Hall and ship right there, and

1348
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, um, we're don't back to your club. Like

1349
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 1: He's like, I just wanted to show you, you know, Like, Yo,

1350
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you on, like you know you you're

1351
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 1: about to be right. And so you know, we dropped

1352
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: back down to the club and he walks right back

1353
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 1: the same spot, same help, same by right there in front.

1354
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: We walked back in. They opened it up some as

1355
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: they see him. Now he starts walking me to his crew.

1356
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: He's got niggers in there. We left his people. He's

1357
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 1: about maybe six seven dudes. But one thing I noticed

1358
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 1: about everybody is that everybody's everybody's cut. Everybody's got cut,

1359
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I'm like heart like

1360
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: everybody everybody got a buck. Everybody got buck and Shane

1361
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 1: you're saying, and everyone, every single one. And so now

1362
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm looking at like, you know, I'm young and pretty.

1363
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't want to get I'm like, you know,

1364
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 1: like I don't know for you looking at your friends,

1365
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: you know, you know, like you know, and and it's

1366
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: my word, you know. Like he gave me his number

1367
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,560
Speaker 1: and all that ship and I never called him or

1368
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: nothing like that. Like I was content with what I

1369
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 1: was a little bit of that I was able to do.

1370
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: A g day was plenty in my world, you know

1371
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And you know, like but to this

1372
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: but to this day, the energy I remember the dude's

1373
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: face to send the other that was. So i 'm

1374
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: gonna say lant quar okay, um Brand Newbian or trialal quests.

1375
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 1: M h m hm wow, that's that's that's ready. We

1376
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: got our shots ready, Um let me get us some room, chick. Ready.

1377
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: We ain't gotta overthink it now. You could. You could

1378
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 1: just say both we get on our married way, but

1379
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 1: you gotta mean both. If you mean I'm gonna I'm

1380
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: gonna say trial, okay, closer, and the means I'm gonna

1381
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: say trial is this I'm I can look at I

1382
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 1: can look at um their debut albums. On their debut album,

1383
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it. I would give it. I would

1384
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 1: give it to Brand Newbian. But if I look at

1385
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: their bodies of work, you know what I'm saying. If

1386
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: I look at the criteria right right, if I'm looking

1387
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 1: at their body of work, then um, at some point,

1388
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: tribes steps ahead of Brand Nubian. You know what I'm saying.

1389
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: And and and it's pretty clear Brand Nubians debut was

1390
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: definitely a superior one to tribes, but ultimately tribe went

1391
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 1: on sasonically just become a monster. Could I ask the question,

1392
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: what's Trib's biggest record? I've never looked at it like

1393
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: talking about numbers or like the biggest record. So I

1394
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: think world talk, world talk. Can I kick it any bigger?

1395
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: Because I see commercial scenario. I don't know Google that.

1396
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: I think it's I actually think it's something that's newer

1397
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: than in their catalog. Okay, but do we get that answer.

1398
01:12:51,080 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 1: Let's let's move on. Okay, this one, I don't know.

1399
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: We're gonna go Dr Max a Tupac. That's actually easy

1400
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: for me, Dr Max, I gotta ask what you know

1401
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: what right there? Yeah, he's ready for me. No, no, no, no,

1402
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: I mean kills Ques might need to be here like

1403
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 1: like like see it's like this, like and certain people,

1404
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,560
Speaker 1: certain people are gonna understand exactly what I'm saying, a

1405
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: lot of people are not gonna understand like what I'm saying. Okay, Um,

1406
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: like I was around Pock you know what I'm saying,

1407
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 1: and you got to talk about that? Yeah? Yeah, I

1408
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: mean you know she was when me went up when

1409
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 1: when we met it was at festival in the lake

1410
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: in OpenD. You know, I'm saying we wanted up hanging

1411
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: out an extra day of what pockets. This is the

1412
01:13:53,439 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: park where he won that underground pockets sweet Definitely did

1413
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: you on the ground Okay, okay, but he definitely got

1414
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 1: some weed. But he I feel like at the time

1415
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: he was kind of transitioning. Ye, he's about that's where

1416
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: he was. Definitely definitely show he was. He was just

1417
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,600
Speaker 1: got a baby pup. Okay, that's what That's where he was.

1418
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 1: He wasn't it was no longer a backup dancing, not

1419
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: because he was too Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he wasn't

1420
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: back up dances, going't gonna you know, having somebody grabbed

1421
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: your ance week friends got a baby yogo geb on.

1422
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 1: Then some week that's we met because it was because

1423
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: it was loud. But you know what I'm saying, and

1424
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: you know, like I got I got love for Pop.

1425
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like I got a lot

1426
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: of love for a lot of brothers. You know what

1427
01:14:50,360 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But if I made sometimes time bolster is

1428
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: the myth. Sometimes time bolsters what is good, and sometimes

1429
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: time diminishes everything else. Pop was. He was multifaceted, but

1430
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: he was far from intimidating. He was far from um.

1431
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: He was far from what people paint him as. On

1432
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:48,879
Speaker 1: a daily very diverse. Some days he was an asshole,

1433
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 1: some days he was a brother to look up to.

1434
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 1: Some days he was a kid to slap in the

1435
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 1: back of his head. He was all of them things,

1436
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And all depending on who

1437
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:07,640
Speaker 1: you were, would be how you know, really how you

1438
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: view them. You know what I'm saying, like this is

1439
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 1: my word, like everybody think they real to the real

1440
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 1: step in the room. Man, you know what I'm saying,

1441
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: Like like like he knew who to go out in

1442
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: my opinion, he he in my opinion. And it's not

1443
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 1: a shot at him in no way or his gangster

1444
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: or his lack of you know what I'm saying. But

1445
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: but cats, cats have an understanding of of what they're

1446
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: doing when they do it, very very calculated, very calculated.

1447
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 1: Um and and and and and a bit of an

1448
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: opportunists on a certain degree. I had love for him,

1449
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:51,600
Speaker 1: and and and I think we respected each other for

1450
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 1: the most part, you know what I'm saying. But we've

1451
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 1: we had a couple of runnings a couple of times.

1452
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying, like one time at Travaga Squire

1453
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: were performer in Queens. Travaga Squire holds about maybe three

1454
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: four thousand people. Now it's in the heart of Jamaica.

1455
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 1: So the lineup is the Legion, Biggie and Tupaca. That's

1456
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 1: the line right, So there's about so to Tupaca is

1457
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 1: headlining and the Legion is opening and no way await

1458
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 1: who's you know? How was the how did it go? Y'all? Was? Yeah,

1459
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: uh no, Biggie was opening then then y'all then then

1460
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: they were supposed to be pop now because it's if

1461
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:41,599
Speaker 1: it holds four thousand people, it's about maybe thirty nine

1462
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: hundred dudes in here, straight griming, straight hood. You know

1463
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Pop is mad nervous. And when I

1464
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 1: say nervous, mad nervous, like yo, like something's gonna happen.

1465
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 1: Here's too many niggas in here. It's that any other y'all.

1466
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna jump on with Big so I can

1467
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 1: get out of here. And I'm like, YO, hold up, man,

1468
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait a minute, like Yo, the Legion

1469
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: is a new group, man. Like if you jump on

1470
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 1: with Big, everybody's gonna think that's it and they're gonna

1471
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: be heading to the door, like at least you know

1472
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Let um my, dudes rock. You know

1473
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And you know I said, if anything,

1474
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:22,640
Speaker 1: if we need to switch or whatever we need to do,

1475
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: I said, but don't jump on with big energy to

1476
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 1: be out Like it's almost like he almost almost playing

1477
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: a little bit. But at the end of the day,

1478
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to go there, you know

1479
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But he's like, yo, no, you know,

1480
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 1: like if they I don't want I don't want to

1481
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: catch any flak for anything. I'm like, Yo, my dude,

1482
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 1: if you act cool, NIGGAS is gonna act cool. If

1483
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 1: you act nervous, NIGGAS is gonna be acting nervous. If

1484
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 1: you act like there's an issue, your energy is gonna

1485
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: let there be an issue. But if you act like

1486
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: we're a bunch of brothers that came together to to

1487
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,600
Speaker 1: to hang out with you, then that's what it's gonna be.

1488
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I don't know, man, I

1489
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 1: don't know, Like he's just man nervous, is right. So

1490
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: we're all getting ready for the show. Now mind you,

1491
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 1: he's being held down by a stretch money back. I'm saying, yeah, yeah,

1492
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: lot squard young girls, but just say like this is

1493
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: this is family. This this is my family more than his.

1494
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 1: He doesn't realize this, you know what I'm saying. And

1495
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: I've never spoken to it, you know what I'm saying,

1496
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 1: But I've been in the room with Stretch when he's

1497
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 1: sleeping until the sun came up. You know what I'm saying,

1498
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 1: like like like like this is I don't know hust

1499
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: Like I don't been around cats eons. You know, I'm

1500
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 1: saying real New York cat. But cats wouldn't know it

1501
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,639
Speaker 1: because you know they all they heard was Carolina. It's

1502
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: so good. So he's gonna jump on the promoters like yo,

1503
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 1: Pocket is gonna jump on a big man and it's

1504
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 1: gonna sunk up the set for y'all. I hope, I

1505
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: hope to cant everybody stays. So now I'm a little

1506
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 1: just disappointed, and I'm like, yo, dude, like you really act,

1507
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 1: can a bit you right here? Like yo? So I

1508
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 1: go in the back of the dress room and whereas

1509
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 1: had it probably been anybody else, they probably couldn't have

1510
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 1: got by niggas. But these are all niggas I grew

1511
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: up with, you know what I'm saying, Like, Yo, what up?

1512
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 1: Without stretched? What up? Niggas? You know I'm saying. So

1513
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 1: I walked right up to him, and nobody's gonna say

1514
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 1: nothing to me, and I'm like, Yo, the fund is

1515
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 1: wrong with you? Like Yo, we already talked this and

1516
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: the other, like you know, like and he's just acting

1517
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: like like he's turning his head like you know, like

1518
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:31,560
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to like just be accountable for what

1519
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 1: it is, Like, Yo, we together. Why you always gotta

1520
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 1: fucking you know, saying like in my head, it's like

1521
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 1: certain cats allowed sometimes when they don't need to be

1522
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 1: and and I've probably been guilty of it. In this moment,

1523
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:48,560
Speaker 1: I felt like he was guilty of it, you know

1524
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I felt like, you know, like, yo,

1525
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 1: my dude, like you know, like you just took a

1526
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 1: lot of ship that you know, like that you don't

1527
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:58,560
Speaker 1: necessarily what all the time, you know saying. And I

1528
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 1: kind of pressed him a little bit and the niggas,

1529
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And everybody's kind of stopping looking,

1530
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: and he still jumps on with Big and he's ready

1531
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: to get out of there, and it said that stop.

1532
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: That night at Allegendary Freestyle, We're Big, he jumps on

1533
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 1: with Big and before as he's getting off the stage,

1534
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 1: as him and Big and get up stage before they

1535
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 1: could get off the stage, I've run up on the

1536
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 1: stage before people start turning around, because, like I said,

1537
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 1: no one even knows who the legion is. No one

1538
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 1: even knows I'm near, you know, I'm saying, bringing them out.

1539
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 1: So I run up and I grabbed the mic and

1540
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, that was cute. I was real cute.

1541
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 1: I was like, but you're ready for the real show,

1542
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like you know, And I

1543
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 1: wasn't the ship on Big, and I wasn't even a

1544
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: ship on him. But I was just to say, like, yo,

1545
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 1: don't be leaving the energy or funked up, like like

1546
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 1: it's us, Like you know what I'm saying, Ain't nobody

1547
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 1: in here gonna get hurt but us. If you're not

1548
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,560
Speaker 1: controlling the shift, you're not on but I but I,

1549
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 1: but I get mad at the Natives for the same ship.

1550
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 1: But if you're not controlling the ship, you're talking about

1551
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 1: controlling the fund is you doing? Don't leave Ship funked

1552
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 1: up for us? So I jump up on stage. I'm like, yo,

1553
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 1: you're ready for the real for the real show now, yo,

1554
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 1: y'arder the leak, you know. So I got cast turned

1555
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 1: around and cubes or testing like ques was there when

1556
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: I went in the dress room. You know, niggas was like, oh, Ship,

1557
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: did that just happens? And and and but but you

1558
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 1: gotta understand this too, Hocket his mind side. He's smaller

1559
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: than me. I just come in, brother, break the rules.

1560
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 1: Let's just do it. Come on. I wanted to finish

1561
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:43,680
Speaker 1: with Yeah for you, I don't because I don't want it.

1562
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 1: You bring up to name, It's like it's like it's

1563
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 1: kind of hard to tell you don't want it. It's

1564
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: kind of hard to tell something if it's not so,

1565
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, in that night, like I understand what dress

1566
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 1: is saying dress? He had this image is how he

1567
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 1: moved It was fights. That's the part you left out. Yeah,

1568
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:06,719
Speaker 1: maybe he felt a vibe that was like queens niggers

1569
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 1: getting it in this corner. That fight would break up

1570
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 1: this this dude over here he got cut in the

1571
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 1: face in biggest deep his Brooklyn dudes. We deep with

1572
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 1: our you know, bronze dudes. So we're like this is normal.

1573
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 1: By the fifth fights, Pockets like I'm ready to get

1574
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 1: out of here, and that's when Dress with to say.

1575
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,640
Speaker 1: You know, Dress was like, yo, you just you know,

1576
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,759
Speaker 1: put this energy out like you're tough and you ain't scared,

1577
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:34,680
Speaker 1: Like why are you why are you leaving? What's what's

1578
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: going on? This is And that's what I wanted to

1579
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:39,599
Speaker 1: put in it because Dress left their part out fighting.

1580
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean yeah, but I mean, you know,

1581
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 1: just to say like Killings was you know, Kings was

1582
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 1: privy to a lot as well, like to our walks

1583
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 1: and you know he's around. He was a rails of

1584
01:23:54,720 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 1: real dudes right from left right. Yeah, he came out

1585
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 1: and told us before. By the third fight, he was like, yo,

1586
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 1: he's ready to get out of here. And that's when

1587
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 1: Dress went back there like yeah, I'm gonna talk to

1588
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: him because we was cool with Big and Big like

1589
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 1: this is normal, not right Big by that by this point,

1590
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 1: you know, like this is this is well after me

1591
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: meeting Big, I don't seem Big around and you know

1592
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 1: what saying like I said, we're not cool but we

1593
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: respect each other. You know, I'm saying, like, you know,

1594
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 1: like we don't have each other number, but ain't no

1595
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 1: time that we see each other that we don't stop

1596
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: and talk for a few minutes. You know, you know,

1597
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 1: you know how it is what I'm saying. Especially when

1598
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 1: we young, got a lot to sasteron, so you know,

1599
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 1: like we wasn't really in the mingling cruise a lot,

1600
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, saying like you know, everybody kind of stood

1601
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 1: on their own. Yeah, I know, I know, you know,

1602
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't know because because yeah, because y'all are stand

1603
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 1: off ship. You know what I'm saying, Like, you know,

1604
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 1: it is what it was. I think as we got

1605
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 1: older in the industry, we we became more understanding of

1606
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 1: of we shire space with strangers. We're really not strangers.

1607
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 1: We might not, we might not. Me and you have

1608
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 1: never spoke on the phone. Me and you met one time,

1609
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:17,600
Speaker 1: Ruby briefly, But me and you aren't strangers exactly, you

1610
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Exactly why do we look at

1611
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: each other like that? Like? Why is why is our

1612
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 1: energy like that? When we young? What I'm saying, and

1613
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 1: I was one of the problems in hip hop. What

1614
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying like, don't get it twisted. It still still still,

1615
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 1: it's still still. But at the end of the day,

1616
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 1: you don't get twisted. Yeah, we should be able to

1617
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 1: We should be able to verbally jeouse without question a

1618
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 1: matter of fact, should be mandatory get some of these

1619
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 1: dead weight out here. But this is at the end

1620
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:43,600
Speaker 1: of the day, at the end of the day, Like

1621
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 1: we're taking a TV break over there, Morris, I was like, shot,

1622
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 1: well do that. But you know what I'm saying about.

1623
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 1: But I wish, I wish, I wish. One of the

1624
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 1: things that's really you know that we grow up and

1625
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 1: we start really seeing is how how they how they

1626
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 1: systemically divide us. Let me say one thing because I

1627
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 1: want to get through this with fast. So your par um,

1628
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 1: how did how did your relationship in prior to his death?

1629
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: Because that was one part, right, A lot of people

1630
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 1: say that this it's like ten different parts, right, Like

1631
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 1: there's some people who like, what the most positive brother

1632
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 1: I ever seen, And there's some people like, that's the

1633
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 1: most negative brother I ever seen. There's some people that

1634
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,560
Speaker 1: be like, that's the most wildest whatever, and as the

1635
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: softest brother I ever seen. So how did you did

1636
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 1: you have a link with him again after he went

1637
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:47,679
Speaker 1: on death row, like after he got on death because

1638
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 1: it seems like he was a different dude when he

1639
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 1: got a death row. Did you see him after that? Yeah,

1640
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, post Papa's

1641
01:26:56,200 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 1: multifascinating what I'm saying. And you know, like sometimes sometimes

1642
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 1: I adored him sometimes in conversation they're saying, sometimes sometimes

1643
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 1: I have a conversation with him. Was was very dope,

1644
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: was very cool and and and he been after death

1645
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 1: roparc Um, after death roparc I think he had an agenda,

1646
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And let's remember that was

1647
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 1: a short time game, like a long but his time

1648
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 1: death row was very short and there was a lot

1649
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 1: going on around that too. That cats I think, you know,

1650
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 1: sometimes don't put into the equation because he had a

1651
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 1: vendetta against New York? Did you mo out for me?

1652
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 1: He was always silent with me, But I think a

1653
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 1: lot of that I was so I was a lot younger,

1654
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 1: So I was like a kid. You know what I'm

1655
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 1: saying that he wasn't a kid when But why do

1656
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 1: you say he had a vendetta against New York when

1657
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 1: he was trying to do that. He had new Young

1658
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 1: records for me. But he said, well, you say what

1659
01:27:56,280 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean that ride? What do you mean that that's

1660
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 1: we were shocks in that valley, that's ride. What do

1661
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 1: you think that meant? Hey, guys were cool? I mean

1662
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 1: he was a champion death Row East. This is it

1663
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:17,720
Speaker 1: was the same with me, Like, I don't really I

1664
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 1: don't think gave me that. I don't think he was

1665
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 1: a champion death Row. I think there was people that

1666
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: he was again Row East. Is that even a thing? No,

1667
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 1: it was a thing, really it we I mean it

1668
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 1: was right, No, it wasn't. It was I didn't do anything.

1669
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 1: Amy never got off the ground and never got That's

1670
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:40,600
Speaker 1: where when when pocket nosupposedly met in Battery Park in

1671
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 1: New York City, That's what supposed to picket signs were saying.

1672
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 1: Because I believe they hired a lot of West Coast

1673
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 1: people that was with them, but they also hired people

1674
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 1: that was in town and he was he was doing

1675
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 1: down as well. There was insourcing, so you know what

1676
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So they had people that was actually head

1677
01:28:56,240 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 1: from East Coast. The East Side a nation album with

1678
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 1: with Dug Down with Buckshot and Black all those guys up.

1679
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't. I don't see it as clear

1680
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 1: cut as fucking York from from him. Absolutely, yeah I did.

1681
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean you know what I'm saying.

1682
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, yeah, that's because he attacked Queens. Man. No,

1683
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 1: he ain't attacked Queens New York. He definitely did attack

1684
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 1: New York. He listened. At the end of the day,

1685
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: if I got beet listening because I'm not I'm not disappointable.

1686
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 1: I was actually a fan of Park. But I just

1687
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't deteriorate history. I can't change history.

1688
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 1: At the end of the day. If I got beef

1689
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 1: with this cup, right, I got beef with this cup.

1690
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 1: The minute I say the cup and great Rock and

1691
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 1: and and I and a spade, everything that goes everything

1692
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 1: that goes through, that's what that's that's that's bad because

1693
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 1: the end of the day, these guys can be talking

1694
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 1: to them and say your chill the chill Cup, like

1695
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 1: like you can work this out. They can work this out, Cup.

1696
01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:00,640
Speaker 1: But but now when you say funk him, fuck him,

1697
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 1: funck him and fun him, these guys conversation with the

1698
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 1: cup now is different. They're saying, forgive him, but I

1699
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 1: don't really him. If you don't, I don't really care,

1700
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because he already got at

1701
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: me and I know a bigger cup because you know,

1702
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, you know the crazy shit is. I was

1703
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 1: just listening to Snoop Dogg, and Snoop Dogg said he

1704
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: had this new he had the new found found respect

1705
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 1: for Fat Joe. When Fat Joe actually stepped to ice

1706
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 1: Cube in Farra Caran's house, they're all on the place

1707
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 1: to piece, They're all in the place of you know,

1708
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 1: no one can't do no one's doing nothing in the

1709
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 1: Farer car house. Just be clear. It's gonna break you up,

1710
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: put you in the pre and the fool Nelson like

1711
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 1: you've never been in before. Trust me. So he stepped

1712
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 1: to ice Cube because this is when ice Cuble was

1713
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 1: on the West Side connection. So fat so Snoop this

1714
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 1: Snoop story, by the way, Snoop just describes it as

1715
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 1: like Fat Joe stepped to him, was like yo, I

1716
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 1: was disappointed, Like we held you down when when the

1717
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 1: West goes home, he shipped on you and you came

1718
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 1: to New York and you let Chuck d and the people,

1719
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: How the fun did you do this? Like? How did

1720
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:08,720
Speaker 1: you do that? So Snoop said, wow, like he had

1721
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 1: a whole new respect kind of respect for that. So

1722
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm trying to say, is like Pop

1723
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,720
Speaker 1: ran with y'all in New York, like he literally I

1724
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 1: mean like, I mean it was in the same sectors,

1725
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 1: same sectors. How did they feel when you're just bumping

1726
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:24,600
Speaker 1: to him? Though? But but but I would seeing how

1727
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 1: do know something? No, what I'm saying is how did

1728
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:28,639
Speaker 1: they feel like him? Because like he got a record call?

1729
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:30,719
Speaker 1: This is crazy. The other day, I was just walking

1730
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:33,679
Speaker 1: and I listened to a record call he got Ain't

1731
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:36,200
Speaker 1: nothing like the old school and he breaks down New

1732
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 1: York with Skelly and how the parties, And I'm like,

1733
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 1: this is really a New York nigger. Then the very

1734
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 1: next record come on CALIFORNIAA Love, And I believed them

1735
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 1: in both records. I said, only ship West Coast, trying

1736
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 1: to do my West Coast. I can't. I ain't gonna walking.

1737
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 1: But it was like something like it. You know what

1738
01:31:56,400 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You obviously believe him in Juice too. You

1739
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 1: don't want to go there. A lot of people say

1740
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:07,639
Speaker 1: changed after Jersy. So when you've seen the death row pocket,

1741
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 1: it was a different type of energy. Yeah, you said

1742
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 1: it was the same energy, even defferent when when me

1743
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 1: and his relationship always the same. What I'm saying, that's

1744
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,960
Speaker 1: one of the last times I've seen is in the

1745
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:26,760
Speaker 1: Diamond District. I'm by myself. He's like about fifteen dudes.

1746
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: Some of the dudes he's with. I don't think he

1747
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:33,280
Speaker 1: realized he's who's He knew that he knows who he's with.

1748
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:38,720
Speaker 1: Brooklyn people, Umolyn issue. But a couple of you know,

1749
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of hands that was that definitely

1750
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:46,360
Speaker 1: understand if if if he wasn't shopping for if everybody

1751
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:49,720
Speaker 1: wasn't shopping he was, he was out of pocket. You

1752
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,640
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And and and if you know,

1753
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 1: and those that know know why you know what I'm saying,

1754
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:57,640
Speaker 1: Like you know, like like you don't, you don't you

1755
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 1: don't wolves aren't you know what I'm saying, show dogs.

1756
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:03,959
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You don't run with wolves

1757
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 1: acting like you know, like you're taking a walk in

1758
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 1: Central Park. That's not what wolves are. Four says a

1759
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 1: little rough now too Yeah, it's not that rough, you

1760
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:16,799
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like he's running around the Diamond

1761
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 1: District and you know, I'm sure he's getting whatever he's

1762
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 1: getting that for his new walk, you know what I'm saying,

1763
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 1: because I remember when it was you know, the punched

1764
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 1: out oozy rings and uh, you know the stuff that

1765
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 1: was pretty Canal Street that like like that you really

1766
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 1: couldn't even really get in the room that the cats

1767
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 1: I knew was in. You know what I'm saying. And

1768
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to shoot It's just the truth, you

1769
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:47,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So you know, like like and

1770
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:49,560
Speaker 1: that's not the ship on him to say, like you know,

1771
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:54,519
Speaker 1: like he we all we all start where we start from.

1772
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 1: When we all grow it, we all grow to become

1773
01:33:57,400 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 1: who we're gonna be, you know what I'm saying. But

1774
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 1: but that's the But that's the type of things that

1775
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, Like Pop didn't understand certain things

1776
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 1: just about New York culture that a record wasn't really

1777
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 1: gonna facilitate, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,

1778
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 1: like you're in the Diamond District with cats that come

1779
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 1: to the Diamond District to sell what they just just stole,

1780
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,120
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And and and and and

1781
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:31,320
Speaker 1: and you come in there spending a ridiculous number, you know,

1782
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 1: in front of him, you know what I'm saying, and

1783
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 1: like like, those are the things that like that, those

1784
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:41,040
Speaker 1: are the little things that aren't little that he would

1785
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 1: do regularly, you know what I'm saying. And like I said,

1786
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 1: like I've seen Pop do many things like that, many

1787
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 1: like like not. And that's not to shift on them.

1788
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 1: And that's not to say that he wasn't that he

1789
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 1: wasn't solid, you know, Pop, Pop, He was a lot

1790
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:01,679
Speaker 1: of things, you know what I'm saying. But sometimes sometimes

1791
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:05,759
Speaker 1: you know, like sometimes your little man needs to get checked.

1792
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:08,679
Speaker 1: Sometimes your little man needs to get punched in the chest.

1793
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 1: Not all the time, sometimes your little man puts you

1794
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 1: on point. Sometimes your little man checks you, you know,

1795
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 1: like he was all of that what I'm saying. I

1796
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: just hope people can understand that because people only look

1797
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:34,880
Speaker 1: at him as one thing. And you know it, you know,

1798
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 1: when you when you put somebody on a pedal stool,

1799
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 1: it's almost like when you found out, you know, Martin

1800
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:44,240
Speaker 1: Luther King was getting some side ass. I was happy, Yeah,

1801
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, deserve happy, deserved it. He said

1802
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 1: real quick. This is a person he was. Unfortunately he's

1803
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 1: not here from young young park that didn't mature like

1804
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 1: the rest of us are having same with Big And

1805
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:13,760
Speaker 1: that's why I don't say anything out of respect when

1806
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 1: people revere him, I don't. I don't tell them some

1807
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 1: of the things that I know that might be in contrast,

1808
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 1: I don't really share those things because he's not here

1809
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 1: to have had the opportunity to become everything that they

1810
01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 1: think is. You know what I'm saying, you know, like

1811
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:35,559
Speaker 1: like like thank god we got the opportunity to go forward.

1812
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:40,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like to be better. You

1813
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like that that was for Parking

1814
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,640
Speaker 1: Big two. That was for them too, you know what

1815
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And you know, like that the boat, the

1816
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:53,960
Speaker 1: bullshit that took place. You know what I'm saying, Like

1817
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna move. We're gonna move. That was

1818
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:08,639
Speaker 1: man like he l l care arrest one's shock class

1819
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 1: two shot glass. That's a good one. I'm gonna I'm

1820
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:25,439
Speaker 1: gonna go with these things, Queen Shall, I didn't even

1821
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:29,760
Speaker 1: realize that I can tell you why, let me tell

1822
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 1: you what hel hell is? You is? You got on

1823
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 1: a bit And I'm not even gonna piggy back right now.

1824
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:50,400
Speaker 1: I just say hell I was. She was what sixty

1825
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 1: seventeen years old? Carry death gym on their back on

1826
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 1: this back? Did you? Did you see him in Crush Groove?

1827
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:00,680
Speaker 1: Just just is that when he had the radio, just

1828
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 1: his appearance and Crush Groove alone alone set the tune

1829
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:09,799
Speaker 1: for the culture, like like like just the little snippet

1830
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 1: of L. L and Crushed Groove was harder than the

1831
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 1: sub Cats careers. Like like like he said the tune

1832
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,120
Speaker 1: for hip hop that that was a B boy that

1833
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:23,640
Speaker 1: came into the picture. You know what I'm saying, Like

1834
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 1: like you ain't ever seen it. I was a B

1835
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 1: boy that came in. Don't shoot him, Jay, That's just

1836
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,240
Speaker 1: a B boy, you know what I'm saying. Like you

1837
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like like like yeah, oh man,

1838
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:35,479
Speaker 1: like you know, I got love for Chris Chriss and beasts,

1839
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 1: but but L L Yo, Yeah, like l L Alan Iverson,

1840
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 1: like you know as a kid, like you know, he

1841
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 1: came in when Cats was looking like you know, like

1842
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:49,680
Speaker 1: flash and everything, and L just came in, you know,

1843
01:38:49,800 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 1: across the cats over like Nigga move over. Oh um,

1844
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:09,559
Speaker 1: I gotta go with the guard right yeah, okay, yeah,

1845
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:14,160
Speaker 1: you know Craik. Quick quick story, quick story. When I

1846
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:15,840
Speaker 1: first when I first get back to New York, When

1847
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:18,200
Speaker 1: I first get back to New York. Okay, I'm Carolina.

1848
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 1: First we get out of New York. Um. I'm not

1849
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 1: sure why I started hustling yet, but but I have

1850
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 1: been doing the music shipped down south, you know what saying? So,

1851
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:31,280
Speaker 1: so I do want to be around hip hop. So

1852
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the paper looking for a job. It's

1853
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:37,439
Speaker 1: a job power Plays Studios. Queen's Queen, you know, right

1854
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:43,720
Speaker 1: right right queens right, So I go with here. They

1855
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:46,639
Speaker 1: hired me. I mean, my first record ive ever made

1856
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 1: the right right right? I haven't dot I doctor Rodriguez,

1857
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:58,240
Speaker 1: work out get the best right. No, No, I haven't doctor. No, no, no,

1858
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:02,840
Speaker 1: not Dr Butcher. They got um but just say um.

1859
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:07,800
Speaker 1: So they hired me first day. I've never I've never

1860
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 1: worked in the studio nothing, you know, I ain't got

1861
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:13,799
Speaker 1: no nothing. So I'm in a studio, power Play studio,

1862
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 1: going down the city. I'm sitting there. I ain't been

1863
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:20,000
Speaker 1: in sitting at this desk for twenty minutes when the

1864
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 1: door opens up from studio a Rock Kim walks up

1865
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 1: to the desk, asked me for a light, give my light.

1866
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:31,439
Speaker 1: I got my pocket. I give my lighter. He takes it,

1867
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 1: walks in the back, and I'm sitting there. I'm like,

1868
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:37,720
Speaker 1: with my lighter. No, no, no, no, no, just beat.

1869
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:44,439
Speaker 1: This wasn't pretty. I was like, yo, I put this

1870
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:49,559
Speaker 1: fucking job out. I was first and the last day

1871
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 1: I worked there. I was like, yo, I'm gonna know

1872
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 1: Rock him, but I ain't gonna know him from sitting

1873
01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:57,680
Speaker 1: behind no fucking desk out of the studio. Well, and

1874
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:00,160
Speaker 1: I put the job makes some noise for and I

1875
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, like I just it just felt wrong.

1876
01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:07,559
Speaker 1: It just felt like, you know, like he just walked

1877
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:09,800
Speaker 1: up short at me and took my lighter, you know,

1878
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 1: and took it. Word took my lighter, you know what

1879
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I was like, yo, I can't do this,

1880
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm I'm gonna meet him, but I

1881
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:22,479
Speaker 1: think it's gonna take dress lighter right now. No no, no, no,

1882
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:23,960
Speaker 1: no no. It wasn't nothing to do with the light

1883
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:27,640
Speaker 1: at all, Like like it was it was. It was.

1884
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 1: It was the presence of somebody that you know, saying

1885
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:34,720
Speaker 1: like that I respected and and I was like, like,

1886
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:38,320
Speaker 1: he ain't gonna respect me for having a lighter, you

1887
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like respect from someone you respected,

1888
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:43,200
Speaker 1: right right right right? And I was like, yo, like

1889
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:46,040
Speaker 1: like this ain't it. This ain't that? And I and

1890
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:48,560
Speaker 1: I didn't even know if it was gonna be on

1891
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 1: some music ship or some street ship, you know, like

1892
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:55,679
Speaker 1: like not even say on some some some rough ship,

1893
01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:59,240
Speaker 1: but on some he getting paper, you know what I'm saying,

1894
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 1: Like like I knew he'd respect that, you know what

1895
01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like else, but I knew he wasn't respecting

1896
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:06,680
Speaker 1: And think he just tooks light like that's rock Kim

1897
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:09,160
Speaker 1: like like like you know, like that's rock him, you

1898
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:12,759
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And even then that's rock him. Okay,

1899
01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:18,439
Speaker 1: quickly kick or red alert okay, and kid could say

1900
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:27,280
Speaker 1: red okay, locks are MARTI, um damn she. I hate

1901
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 1: to do this, see but water and I'm gonna tell

1902
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:39,000
Speaker 1: you why it once again. I'm gonna tell you what

1903
01:42:39,080 --> 01:42:42,639
Speaker 1: it once again. Well, don't get twisted, don't get twisted.

1904
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 1: Pull your shots up brother, the locks are special or

1905
01:42:47,160 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 1: special special special as they come. Queen, the locks of

1906
01:42:53,840 --> 01:43:02,280
Speaker 1: specialists makes sense to me, y'all's sake, I make sense

1907
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:07,599
Speaker 1: of it. Yo, this is my word debut album. Well, damn,

1908
01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 1: that's not true. That's not real because because because because

1909
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:18,679
Speaker 1: because my mom, they had had every miss hell hell yeah,

1910
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 1: So that's not really. They will be many because I'm

1911
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:23,400
Speaker 1: looking at I'm looking at you know what I'm saying,

1912
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:27,920
Speaker 1: um uh, the infermous. You're looking at the infamous. Yeah,

1913
01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:29,800
Speaker 1: as they did, a lot of people think that's the first.

1914
01:43:30,040 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 1: It's not the first, you know what I'm saying that

1915
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:33,200
Speaker 1: the other one is dope too, believe it or not

1916
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:35,680
Speaker 1: for the time, friends, Yeah yeah, not not not but

1917
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 1: but but but the infamous album. The infamous album is equivalent,

1918
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:43,960
Speaker 1: is equivalent to illmatic. No. Infamous is often you know,

1919
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:52,800
Speaker 1: saying the infamous message you know we no, we didn't know,

1920
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:56,160
Speaker 1: we didn't did versus a solo. Let me tell you why,

1921
01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:57,960
Speaker 1: Let me tell you why we didn't. Let me tell

1922
01:43:57,960 --> 01:43:59,840
Speaker 1: you why I dressed If you look at you but

1923
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,639
Speaker 1: out hell, ill magic had to come out for them

1924
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:06,400
Speaker 1: to make the infamous, like like they had to their

1925
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:08,200
Speaker 1: game up. Yeah, they had to see how NAS change

1926
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:14,559
Speaker 1: the trajectory of the game for Infamous to be made infamous.

1927
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:19,040
Speaker 1: Infamous came out clearly after Yeah, I'm working on at

1928
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:23,760
Speaker 1: the same time. Changed all the way we rumb the

1929
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:26,600
Speaker 1: way we looked like NAS. I got to give that

1930
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:29,240
Speaker 1: to NAS, not taking anything away from more Deep. But

1931
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:33,080
Speaker 1: but I don't think came out after it might have

1932
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:36,280
Speaker 1: been working around the because I'm like like like like

1933
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:39,800
Speaker 1: I don't I don't I don't see where I don't see.

1934
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:46,559
Speaker 1: I don't see. This came out a year later. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right,

1935
01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:51,640
Speaker 1: there change expected for me. I respected, but but it

1936
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:54,960
Speaker 1: felt like but it felt like the records were so close.

1937
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And I agree with you.

1938
01:44:57,400 --> 01:45:00,679
Speaker 1: I'm not disagree with you to tell you it Infamous

1939
01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:05,439
Speaker 1: wouldn't up without thematic, you know what I'm saying. I

1940
01:45:05,479 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 1: can't agree with that, just being honest, Like me growing

1941
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,360
Speaker 1: up from queens Me from left Frack City, but a

1942
01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:13,840
Speaker 1: lot of my you know, I'm going to raise left right,

1943
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:15,639
Speaker 1: but a lot of my cousins and friends and people

1944
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:18,120
Speaker 1: that I associated with, people I played basketball with it

1945
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:22,240
Speaker 1: from Queensbridge. Because I remember like there was a time

1946
01:45:22,280 --> 01:45:24,719
Speaker 1: where people thought like Queen's Bridge was corny or Queen's

1947
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:26,479
Speaker 1: Bridge because of with care And I was like these

1948
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:31,280
Speaker 1: things Gill, y'all, ye keep playing the fact that people

1949
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:34,680
Speaker 1: think that ship like that. Fray didn't when Almatic drop

1950
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 1: to think that I was something else too, So I

1951
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:39,680
Speaker 1: get it. I was in jail with Amatic Drop and

1952
01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 1: I remember being so proud. I remember walking in the

1953
01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:46,840
Speaker 1: yard that day. I just walked different. I feel that

1954
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:50,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I feel like, all right cool, I

1955
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:52,519
Speaker 1: feel that queen queenship. That ship went out the window

1956
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:57,320
Speaker 1: saying it because he really painted queens in the way

1957
01:45:57,400 --> 01:46:00,320
Speaker 1: queens needed to be painted, especially after the bridge over.

1958
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 1: Even though care Rest was just talking about the bridge,

1959
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:05,800
Speaker 1: he did take slight shots at Queen's So I feel

1960
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:09,880
Speaker 1: like he rebuilt all of queens all it like, you know,

1961
01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:13,240
Speaker 1: not just Queen's Bridge. So um but but great. We

1962
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:15,040
Speaker 1: took a shot for that. Anyway. We don't even know

1963
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:16,560
Speaker 1: who you picked the locks up all deep, but we

1964
01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:19,559
Speaker 1: know you get it with mall beet. No, you went

1965
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:24,240
Speaker 1: with both. You went with he Okay, he's under the rest.

1966
01:46:26,840 --> 01:46:28,880
Speaker 1: I feel I feel like right now, I feel like

1967
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 1: right now, y'all, y'all both kind of playing so what

1968
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:41,160
Speaker 1: one I'm not even gonna speak. Yeah, yeah, y'allay me. Yeah,

1969
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:45,320
Speaker 1: I've told me when I did reviews and find out

1970
01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:51,400
Speaker 1: what I easily both MTV raps or Video Music Box.

1971
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:57,599
Speaker 1: Oh you got switch from um, I got I gotta take.

1972
01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:03,519
Speaker 1: I gotta even know Ralph, even though Ralph is god like,

1973
01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:06,760
Speaker 1: like he raised New York. Ralph, Ralph raised New York,

1974
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:08,719
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and was the perfect gatekeeper.

1975
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:11,960
Speaker 1: Ralph was a perfect gatekeeper. Like if Viacom doesn't hire

1976
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 1: that man and make him a big, big executive, you

1977
01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because he's the type of person

1978
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:21,880
Speaker 1: that keeps the gate correctly. Please whoever's in charge of

1979
01:47:22,040 --> 01:47:27,680
Speaker 1: anything up there higher like yeah, like like he he

1980
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:30,120
Speaker 1: uncled all of us properly. You know what I'm saying.

1981
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:35,160
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna take um your MTV raps because your

1982
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:38,640
Speaker 1: TV reps did something that Ralph couldn't do, and that

1983
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:47,760
Speaker 1: was introduced us to Nebraska. They introduced us to Wisconsin. Holmes, Yeah, right,

1984
01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:50,880
Speaker 1: right right right, places places that that the block that

1985
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:53,519
Speaker 1: and that Ralph wasn't gonna be able to bring us.

1986
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:56,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, wait, hold on, I didn't

1987
01:47:56,040 --> 01:48:00,240
Speaker 1: know that MTV did that. Ralph never like like I

1988
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:04,639
Speaker 1: syndicated with the word right is just we can't heard.

1989
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:12,519
Speaker 1: I never saw that even so part of my child everybody,

1990
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 1: but I don't I never saw Ralph just raised us.

1991
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:21,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying, right, right, right, right, right right right. He's

1992
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:26,000
Speaker 1: he's the blueprint for an MTV rap, for a rap city.

1993
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:29,839
Speaker 1: He is the blueprint that I mean to the degree.

1994
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:37,240
Speaker 1: But but he he They're the beginning of of big business.

1995
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:40,559
Speaker 1: They did the best they could, you know what I'm saying.

1996
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:42,880
Speaker 1: But but you know what I'm saying, But they at

1997
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:46,920
Speaker 1: the beginning, at the beginning of of syndication, to be honest,

1998
01:48:47,240 --> 01:48:52,880
Speaker 1: because at the beginning of us losing power? Who they

1999
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:55,639
Speaker 1: being the check cutters. I'm saying, who are we talking about?

2000
01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:58,160
Speaker 1: We're talking about your TV? Like know what I'm saying,

2001
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:00,400
Speaker 1: like like like though they though they did this, so

2002
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:02,960
Speaker 1: they though they brought us to Middle America. The at

2003
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:07,320
Speaker 1: the beginning of us you know, um, fab you know,

2004
01:49:07,439 --> 01:49:11,280
Speaker 1: like the beginning of the end, you know, turn that

2005
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 1: around and you know that the beginning, you know, like

2006
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:16,200
Speaker 1: of everything. Don't get it twisted. It kind of had

2007
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:19,680
Speaker 1: to go there for us to the person understand what

2008
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:24,599
Speaker 1: he's saying, it's just mad deep right global, Yeah, yeah,

2009
01:49:25,400 --> 01:49:28,120
Speaker 1: for us to be here, that had to sacrifice you

2010
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:31,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, right right, right, but but but but

2011
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:35,320
Speaker 1: in this in this moment is for us to learn

2012
01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:38,320
Speaker 1: all power. You know what I'm saying. In this moment,

2013
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:40,760
Speaker 1: we didn't recognize our power as we should. The younger

2014
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:45,400
Speaker 1: generation is recognizing it much more as they've learned how

2015
01:49:45,439 --> 01:49:51,200
Speaker 1: to monetize every movement. We had no idea that type

2016
01:49:51,200 --> 01:49:53,560
Speaker 1: of ship existed, and it existed then, it just it

2017
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:57,200
Speaker 1: wasn't the Internet, but the relationships existed to be broken,

2018
01:49:57,560 --> 01:49:59,920
Speaker 1: like you know, like I did say that, you know,

2019
01:50:00,160 --> 01:50:03,880
Speaker 1: like because Hammer wasn't us, maybe that we kind of

2020
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:07,840
Speaker 1: treated him wrong, but but he was. He was broken

2021
01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:09,479
Speaker 1: in the deal, you know what I'm saying, Like like

2022
01:50:09,640 --> 01:50:13,160
Speaker 1: like like we just wanted it to be official, Like

2023
01:50:13,240 --> 01:50:15,400
Speaker 1: we didn't view it as official, but he was official

2024
01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:18,840
Speaker 1: where he was from, right, which is which which is which?

2025
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:21,280
Speaker 1: Which was New York's, which which was New York's which

2026
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:22,960
Speaker 1: was which was why New York had to eat a

2027
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:24,960
Speaker 1: little humble pie. Like if it wasn't no Hammer they

2028
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:36,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't have hype. That's a difference what you out the window.

2029
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:42,360
Speaker 1: Just to say, like yo, just to say that, but

2030
01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:45,680
Speaker 1: that was the beginnings of you know, of corporate you

2031
01:50:45,720 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And then like like these kids

2032
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:51,400
Speaker 1: they figured it out, like these kids could take if

2033
01:50:51,439 --> 01:50:55,080
Speaker 1: the choices yours came out, now you know, it'd be

2034
01:50:55,240 --> 01:51:00,960
Speaker 1: worth twenty million. I understanding exactly what I I never

2035
01:51:01,439 --> 01:51:06,280
Speaker 1: saw anything. I never saw a tenth of the cats

2036
01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:09,559
Speaker 1: get you know, these cats get a hundred thousands, they

2037
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:11,840
Speaker 1: don't go they don't go outside for us a hundred thousand.

2038
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:15,320
Speaker 1: I never made a hundred thousand dollars for what you

2039
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:17,880
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, that's just the truth. I'm saying.

2040
01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you. But but I know, but I

2041
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:26,080
Speaker 1: know everybody but say I know, but I know. I'm

2042
01:51:26,160 --> 01:51:29,840
Speaker 1: responsible for bringing ship into Middle America. I know they

2043
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:31,640
Speaker 1: didn't get that money with it if I didn't do

2044
01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:34,600
Speaker 1: what I did. You know, I'm saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, no,

2045
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:37,560
Speaker 1: it's so good because I'm still here and and and

2046
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm not even finished, like you know what saying, like

2047
01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:42,680
Speaker 1: I still got the energy. I'm good with it. But

2048
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:44,479
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Like my whole ship

2049
01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:47,479
Speaker 1: is this, Like I'm learning from them too. I'm learning

2050
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:49,960
Speaker 1: how to monetize. I'm learning how to how to take

2051
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:52,519
Speaker 1: you know, the jewels are did you know? And you're

2052
01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:55,200
Speaker 1: learning them too. You know, what your page is really worth,

2053
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:58,479
Speaker 1: you know, as opposed to it being on everybody else's page.

2054
01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:00,920
Speaker 1: What it's worth on your page, Little things like that.

2055
01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:03,240
Speaker 1: Moving forward, you know, I'm saying, making sure all of

2056
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:08,320
Speaker 1: your songs are asked captain and registered, and even even

2057
01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:10,439
Speaker 1: the little things, you know what I'm saying, making sure

2058
01:52:10,479 --> 01:52:13,840
Speaker 1: because because that's your legacy. You're saying, the kid gets that.

2059
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:16,600
Speaker 1: And and even the independent albums that I've done that

2060
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:19,560
Speaker 1: people might not have heard of, a w M of

2061
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:22,160
Speaker 1: of from the black Pool of Genius, I did album

2062
01:52:22,200 --> 01:52:27,439
Speaker 1: with Jerobi from a Tripical Question that Everton. Three albums

2063
01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:31,000
Speaker 1: you might not have heard of. But eventually I might

2064
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:33,680
Speaker 1: not be here. People are gonna go look and look,

2065
01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:35,720
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, yo, this cat was crazy with it,

2066
01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:37,879
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And all of that's registered,

2067
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:43,719
Speaker 1: and who's going to get those listens on my monetized situation? Kids?

2068
01:52:44,280 --> 01:52:45,720
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So we're playing for real

2069
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 1: out here. So what I'm saying, we're playing for real

2070
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:53,040
Speaker 1: perfect questions to the next question, Fab five or at

2071
01:52:53,080 --> 01:52:57,080
Speaker 1: Love one? At Love? Um, you know what, No disrespect

2072
01:52:57,160 --> 01:52:59,680
Speaker 1: to Fab, but Fab has done a couple of sucker things.

2073
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:03,000
Speaker 1: I ain't really dick, you know what I'm saying. We

2074
01:53:03,120 --> 01:53:05,200
Speaker 1: like to hear it. Here we go. It's what it is,

2075
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, you know you know what I mean. Man,

2076
01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:14,560
Speaker 1: never down the Facebook. But you know sometimes cats do

2077
01:53:14,680 --> 01:53:18,240
Speaker 1: stuff that you know, like fat five we're talking about. Okay,

2078
01:53:18,520 --> 01:53:21,719
Speaker 1: this is what it is. Um Um. I got reached

2079
01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:24,840
Speaker 1: out to about VH one, Right, v H one hits

2080
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:28,240
Speaker 1: me and they're like YoY so him. You know this

2081
01:53:28,360 --> 01:53:30,000
Speaker 1: is maybe just some years ago when they had the

2082
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 1: top one hunting whatever, you know, the top top one

2083
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:35,280
Speaker 1: like in the year the year yeah do yeah, they're

2084
01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:38,920
Speaker 1: doing it. They had it, um and they you know, like, yo,

2085
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:40,400
Speaker 1: you made this list. You know, we want you to

2086
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:43,759
Speaker 1: come down, you know, top one hundred hip hop records.

2087
01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:49,280
Speaker 1: This is my word. He told me it was number nine. Wow,

2088
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:51,800
Speaker 1: right up, that's fine. He told me that she was

2089
01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:54,120
Speaker 1: number nine, you know what I'm saying. And I was

2090
01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:56,040
Speaker 1: like wow, like you know, like that ship man a

2091
01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:59,040
Speaker 1: lot to me, Like, Yo, that's so fucking dope, you

2092
01:53:59,120 --> 01:54:01,040
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I go, I do the

2093
01:54:01,080 --> 01:54:03,439
Speaker 1: interview that said the other yeah, yeah, yeah. When the

2094
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:07,600
Speaker 1: ship came out, she was number seventy nine and executive

2095
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:11,439
Speaker 1: producers Fat five Freddy. The niggas that I met around it,

2096
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:14,680
Speaker 1: like everybody around it told me what it was. He

2097
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:16,160
Speaker 1: the only nigger that I could have touched it. And

2098
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:17,599
Speaker 1: even when I saw him after, I was like, yo,

2099
01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:19,719
Speaker 1: you know I owe you one right, and he couldn't

2100
01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:21,400
Speaker 1: say nothing. I left it at that. You know what

2101
01:54:21,400 --> 01:54:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying that It ain't like like I want to

2102
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:24,560
Speaker 1: fight him or nothing, but just to say like you know,

2103
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:29,640
Speaker 1: like yeah whatever, I'll take it off. Wow, Okay, you

2104
01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:32,560
Speaker 1: got deep. I didn't know what it's what it like.

2105
01:54:32,720 --> 01:54:35,000
Speaker 1: And it's another thing like cats don't realize, like yo,

2106
01:54:35,960 --> 01:54:38,520
Speaker 1: this is hip hop man like like cats to be

2107
01:54:38,680 --> 01:54:41,520
Speaker 1: quick dug. You know, it's not about being politically correct

2108
01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 1: all the time. It's always about being real. You know

2109
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:46,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's real for real, like and and

2110
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm not coming at him like at the end of

2111
01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:51,560
Speaker 1: the day like he did that. I ain't do the ship.

2112
01:54:51,800 --> 01:54:53,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like it ain't it ain't.

2113
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:56,400
Speaker 1: And I gotta be accountable for the ship I do too,

2114
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:58,240
Speaker 1: like you know, when I do something stupid, you know,

2115
01:54:58,400 --> 01:55:01,600
Speaker 1: like like you know, we come from the place where

2116
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:03,680
Speaker 1: cats get punched in the chest for doing something stupid.

2117
01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:06,640
Speaker 1: You don't get killed, don't get stabbed. You know, you

2118
01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:09,000
Speaker 1: get to go home and think about doing some dumb ship.

2119
01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:10,760
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. When you come back out,

2120
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:14,680
Speaker 1: you do better, like like that's the object. The object

2121
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:17,640
Speaker 1: is to be better. So like you know, like he's

2122
01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:20,000
Speaker 1: not beyond somebody punchment his chest for doing some dumb ship.

2123
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:23,960
Speaker 1: That's what it is. Okay, So eighties or nineties hip hop? Oh,

2124
01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:27,000
Speaker 1: come on, nineties, it's us. I mean it was us,

2125
01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:29,400
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like you know, like yeah,

2126
01:55:29,600 --> 01:55:32,800
Speaker 1: and and and if I make yo. Let me clear

2127
01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:36,440
Speaker 1: something up. When I said, when I said Mob Deep,

2128
01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:42,560
Speaker 1: that album is equivalent to Illmatic, and I said yours

2129
01:55:42,720 --> 01:55:47,360
Speaker 1: is too, kind of the way Minds is too. What

2130
01:55:47,480 --> 01:55:52,280
Speaker 1: I meant by that is that's the bar, you know

2131
01:55:52,280 --> 01:55:54,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And we spend the rest of our

2132
01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:58,920
Speaker 1: careers trying to at least meet the ball or supersede

2133
01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:01,880
Speaker 1: the ball or that. But that's the bar, you know

2134
01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:05,720
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So when somebody looks at you, that's

2135
01:56:05,760 --> 01:56:08,000
Speaker 1: what they think. They're thinking of you at your best,

2136
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:10,120
Speaker 1: that's you at your best. You know what I'm saying

2137
01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:14,200
Speaker 1: to the world might not be that to you, but

2138
01:56:14,360 --> 01:56:16,320
Speaker 1: to everybody else. When you look at when you look

2139
01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:19,440
Speaker 1: at morb d, when you look at Nas, that's their

2140
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:22,520
Speaker 1: best and that's his best. And they spend saying with me,

2141
01:56:22,680 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 1: you know, like and so they spend the rest of

2142
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:27,040
Speaker 1: their career trying to equate to that. And that's what

2143
01:56:27,160 --> 01:56:29,839
Speaker 1: I meant when I said that that's record is equivalent

2144
01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:31,720
Speaker 1: to that record, you know what I'm saying to say that,

2145
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, like at the end of the day, like

2146
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, like it's dope to hear what you said

2147
01:56:39,160 --> 01:56:41,920
Speaker 1: about Nas, because I felt similar. I'm from a story

2148
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:45,160
Speaker 1: of projects, you know, I'm saying. I spend time in Ravenswood,

2149
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:48,760
Speaker 1: I got friends I haven't been in the community center

2150
01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:53,440
Speaker 1: and in Queensbridge. And you know Shan Guard that's my man.

2151
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:56,000
Speaker 1: He was in my elementary school together. That's my man, Jeff.

2152
01:56:56,040 --> 01:56:58,080
Speaker 1: You know, like like like you know Russ and you know,

2153
01:56:58,160 --> 01:57:00,320
Speaker 1: like like those are cats I grew up with saying

2154
01:57:00,400 --> 01:57:02,560
Speaker 1: like that run through all of these projects that we

2155
01:57:02,680 --> 01:57:08,320
Speaker 1: both know. I'm saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, But what

2156
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:11,000
Speaker 1: was kiss together? We'll just say, but I can tell

2157
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:15,080
Speaker 1: your story off came about, but your say, but these

2158
01:57:15,120 --> 01:57:16,840
Speaker 1: are the things that we didn't see when we saw

2159
01:57:16,880 --> 01:57:19,240
Speaker 1: each other. When we first saw each other. You see

2160
01:57:19,240 --> 01:57:22,160
Speaker 1: that at me, I had no idea. Let's say. And

2161
01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:24,240
Speaker 1: that's when I say, when we see each other, we

2162
01:57:24,280 --> 01:57:27,040
Speaker 1: don't see brothers, but we have more brothers than we

2163
01:57:27,200 --> 01:57:35,960
Speaker 1: ever realized that I made some most that okay, across colors, Yo,

2164
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:40,200
Speaker 1: I hate yo. Let me tell you something funny that's hard.

2165
01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:43,040
Speaker 1: Let me tell you. Let me say, so, I'm doing

2166
01:57:43,080 --> 01:57:45,800
Speaker 1: a CEO right. So I'm doing that CEO the longest quick,

2167
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:50,960
Speaker 1: the longest one I'm doing not senior right, And you

2168
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:53,680
Speaker 1: know I'm about I'm about us as a community, doing

2169
01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:55,880
Speaker 1: some ship that's dope, and I'm always going to support

2170
01:57:56,080 --> 01:57:58,120
Speaker 1: that other. But it's got to be right, you know,

2171
01:57:58,160 --> 01:58:00,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So so cat, I don't know, you know,

2172
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm getting ready to go rock on sending. I'm dressing

2173
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:05,960
Speaker 1: I got like the Massoni ship, like you know this

2174
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:09,760
Speaker 1: is my word. I was. I was Kanye Man stopping.

2175
01:58:10,160 --> 01:58:11,720
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying, like there was no world running

2176
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:15,760
Speaker 1: Massoni ship. I'm not gonna Massoni ship back then. You

2177
01:58:15,800 --> 01:58:17,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm going, I'm yo, come on

2178
01:58:17,680 --> 01:58:23,080
Speaker 1: man yo. Yeah they didn't just stop, yo, but just

2179
01:58:23,200 --> 01:58:25,880
Speaker 1: in saye yo listen. So I got the Missoni sha

2180
01:58:25,960 --> 01:58:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm going on. So that's where my head is at,

2181
01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:32,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm already there at at that age, you know

2182
01:58:32,040 --> 01:58:39,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, call Knin somehow gets backstage at at

2183
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:42,880
Speaker 1: the thing, I think maybe he knew shot somebody. Yo.

2184
01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:45,640
Speaker 1: This dude comes up to me like, yo, I brought

2185
01:58:45,680 --> 01:58:47,920
Speaker 1: you something, you know, the rocks name. I'm like, huh,

2186
01:58:48,280 --> 01:58:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't even know. And he pulls out this vessel

2187
01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:54,000
Speaker 1: and that ship like goes all the way down to

2188
01:58:54,120 --> 01:58:58,240
Speaker 1: like like like like to to like three. It think

2189
01:58:58,360 --> 01:59:00,120
Speaker 1: it was rocking the vest that goes over almost just

2190
01:59:00,200 --> 01:59:05,000
Speaker 1: over your knees. Like I'm like, you know, like this

2191
01:59:05,080 --> 01:59:07,800
Speaker 1: is where I want to support this brother so badly.

2192
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:11,920
Speaker 1: But like I said, I'm rocking. I'm a Sony sweater

2193
01:59:12,520 --> 01:59:15,680
Speaker 1: and you know, like like like I'm so beyond you

2194
01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:19,440
Speaker 1: know what he's presenting and and and and and and

2195
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:21,920
Speaker 1: and as and as he blew up and made millions

2196
01:59:21,960 --> 01:59:25,680
Speaker 1: of dollars. You know, I was happy for him and

2197
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:31,560
Speaker 1: and God bless him. I'm from I'm from a different

2198
01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:34,240
Speaker 1: league of cats. Like we've rocked not even sheeps, we're

2199
01:59:34,280 --> 01:59:36,920
Speaker 1: rocking lambskins like you know, It's like I'm a different

2200
01:59:37,000 --> 01:59:43,880
Speaker 1: caliber of cat. Did you rock the vest? No? No, no,

2201
01:59:46,880 --> 01:59:49,440
Speaker 1: to this day, I've never owned you know what I'm saying,

2202
01:59:49,480 --> 01:59:53,560
Speaker 1: like like like and I hate, I hate that I didn't,

2203
01:59:54,720 --> 02:00:00,200
Speaker 1: but but I would have been. I would have been

2204
02:00:00,240 --> 02:00:03,080
Speaker 1: a sheep if I did, not a black sheep, like

2205
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:05,240
Speaker 1: like like that ship ain't my style, you know what

2206
02:00:05,240 --> 02:00:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I've been doing me, you know, like

2207
02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:10,000
Speaker 1: I said, I've been doing me from the door I learned.

2208
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:13,360
Speaker 1: I learned earlier that I'm good enough. Choices you're talking,

2209
02:00:13,400 --> 02:00:16,080
Speaker 1: flipping them up taught me that I'm good enough. I

2210
02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:19,600
Speaker 1: taught you that too, You're good enough. I hope this ship,

2211
02:00:20,080 --> 02:00:21,560
Speaker 1: like you know, like we're good enough, Like I don't

2212
02:00:21,640 --> 02:00:24,800
Speaker 1: ever feel like you gotta conform to some ship now,

2213
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:27,440
Speaker 1: I'm good enough. What I'm saying, like like I already

2214
02:00:27,480 --> 02:00:29,640
Speaker 1: don't want being me. You know what I'm saying. So

2215
02:00:30,040 --> 02:00:32,320
Speaker 1: so I'm not not like I get it, it's black on,

2216
02:00:32,520 --> 02:00:35,720
Speaker 1: you're designer, but this ship looks crazy. You know what

2217
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying. In my opinion, you know what I'm saying.

2218
02:00:38,680 --> 02:00:41,520
Speaker 1: So everybody that had it on not saying you look crazy,

2219
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:48,120
Speaker 1: you look fucking crazy. It's my word. Niggas was run

2220
02:00:48,160 --> 02:00:51,320
Speaker 1: around with fat Albut on the end, I've been racking

2221
02:00:51,360 --> 02:00:58,000
Speaker 1: the same ship since Yoyo Kanye Nigga. Yo, come on, man,

2222
02:00:58,080 --> 02:01:02,160
Speaker 1: y'all already know what it is. Yo. I'm saying like like,

2223
02:01:02,280 --> 02:01:06,320
Speaker 1: come on, man, like like we really like I'm looking

2224
02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:10,560
Speaker 1: at Catter y'all serious, y'all like the trader at James

2225
02:01:10,640 --> 02:01:17,200
Speaker 1: Freestyle right now, crazy is just crazy And that's just

2226
02:01:17,320 --> 02:01:21,160
Speaker 1: what I said. Okay, where it's crazy and that's not

2227
02:01:21,240 --> 02:01:26,080
Speaker 1: the showing him. But have you ever heard freesty? Come on, man,

2228
02:01:26,840 --> 02:01:29,840
Speaker 1: let's keep it a buck shot Kim or Chris, Like,

2229
02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:35,680
Speaker 1: that's what you gotta drink for that. Jesus, I forgot

2230
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:39,480
Speaker 1: I gotta drink. We were drinking anymore. But like I said,

2231
02:01:39,520 --> 02:01:40,960
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to start the shot because I know

2232
02:01:41,200 --> 02:01:44,160
Speaker 1: the internet is very sensationalized and all that, but it

2233
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:47,280
Speaker 1: is what it is and you know and you know, no, no,

2234
02:01:47,600 --> 02:01:54,640
Speaker 1: you gotta take a shot taking that. But let me

2235
02:01:54,720 --> 02:01:58,600
Speaker 1: say this just to counter some of the vibrato yo,

2236
02:01:58,840 --> 02:02:08,560
Speaker 1: like Olibry's very good. That's that classic area. But you

2237
02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:11,720
Speaker 1: know it. But you're devoted, Yo. This is my word

2238
02:02:11,840 --> 02:02:14,440
Speaker 1: from like I said, Man, I don't know you, but

2239
02:02:14,480 --> 02:02:17,800
Speaker 1: I know you, and I'm proud of you. That's my word.

2240
02:02:18,160 --> 02:02:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you, man, that's my word. So because

2241
02:02:20,600 --> 02:02:23,280
Speaker 1: because I see you. But you said both, right, Chris, like,

2242
02:02:23,520 --> 02:02:25,440
Speaker 1: and we try to get through this and if we're

2243
02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:26,800
Speaker 1: gonna get right back to the interview, but this is

2244
02:02:26,840 --> 02:02:29,720
Speaker 1: actually not the interview plus an interview, Yeah, because we

2245
02:02:29,800 --> 02:02:32,520
Speaker 1: just actually a quick time but not quick quick time. Yeah, okay,

2246
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:35,920
Speaker 1: right you said he said both, Okay, B Street or

2247
02:02:35,960 --> 02:02:40,040
Speaker 1: Crush Groove. Oh yeo, I gotta go. I got yeah,

2248
02:02:40,040 --> 02:02:44,320
Speaker 1: I gotta go. Crush grow Yeah, nobody drinks nobody drinking?

2249
02:02:44,360 --> 02:02:51,400
Speaker 1: Who Okay, yeah, I mean because no idea. I mean

2250
02:02:51,480 --> 02:02:55,440
Speaker 1: like like like like like the Queen's aspect of it,

2251
02:02:55,480 --> 02:02:58,320
Speaker 1: like I could see myself in it, man, because okay,

2252
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:05,760
Speaker 1: nor he spoke queens. Ye crazy we're from Queens. But

2253
02:03:07,080 --> 02:03:14,600
Speaker 1: I said, what strip to be the solo representative on

2254
02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:17,680
Speaker 1: the scene, I'll be the booming, bashing clocking. Crazy cash

2255
02:03:17,760 --> 02:03:23,200
Speaker 1: did come from Queen's strip, I said stripp to be

2256
02:03:23,320 --> 02:03:27,880
Speaker 1: the solo representative on the scene, the Bronx, I'd be

2257
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:31,280
Speaker 1: the booming bash, boom bashing clocking. Crazy cash did come

2258
02:03:31,320 --> 02:03:40,040
Speaker 1: from Queen's back Then the w public enemies. Oh um, um,

2259
02:03:44,960 --> 02:03:49,200
Speaker 1: you know what, Um, that's gonna lead to somewhere dope.

2260
02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:51,840
Speaker 1: But you gotta drink on that one. Okay, Okay, let's drive.

2261
02:03:52,040 --> 02:03:54,120
Speaker 1: You know why that's gonna but that's gonna lead to

2262
02:03:54,160 --> 02:03:56,320
Speaker 1: somewhere dope. And let me let me tell you that

2263
02:03:56,400 --> 02:03:58,880
Speaker 1: the verses I want don't know come back to you

2264
02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:01,480
Speaker 1: the verses later. Police. Yeah, okay, don't blow it. Okay.

2265
02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:07,360
Speaker 1: I don't feel like man, you're you're the most sulfurst

2266
02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:13,680
Speaker 1: drunkest because I mean, you know why you don't see

2267
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:15,080
Speaker 1: much of me. This is why you don't see much

2268
02:04:15,080 --> 02:04:20,040
Speaker 1: of you. You don't see much of me, you know, Like, yeah,

2269
02:04:20,480 --> 02:04:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't know about so ice tea or ice Cube.

2270
02:04:25,200 --> 02:04:28,200
Speaker 1: I gotta go with Cube because our very the very

2271
02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:31,720
Speaker 1: first tour I ever went on was Ice Cube taking

2272
02:04:31,880 --> 02:04:37,400
Speaker 1: Black Sheet on tour. That is yo, very first tour.

2273
02:04:37,520 --> 02:04:40,200
Speaker 1: We got to go around which country version of ice

2274
02:04:40,280 --> 02:04:42,720
Speaker 1: Cubs is America's was one death certificate? Which one? Which

2275
02:04:42,720 --> 02:04:47,160
Speaker 1: one is with the lynch mall popping, my dude. We

2276
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:53,440
Speaker 1: had so much fun started back Sheet started. It was yo,

2277
02:04:53,680 --> 02:04:56,960
Speaker 1: it was us we see in the Man's Circle. We

2278
02:04:57,120 --> 02:04:59,120
Speaker 1: was only New York group and that's why they bought

2279
02:04:59,160 --> 02:05:00,880
Speaker 1: us to be the East coast, right. It was us

2280
02:05:00,920 --> 02:05:02,880
Speaker 1: that we seen the Man's Circle, which was cool y

2281
02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:05,920
Speaker 1: old dub you know, saying, um, della funky almost say,

2282
02:05:06,400 --> 02:05:09,440
Speaker 1: Who's Cube's cousin? And then Cub and the LSHM and

2283
02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:12,120
Speaker 1: this small world. Yo, Like we started and I bought

2284
02:05:12,160 --> 02:05:14,160
Speaker 1: showing a g I WoT show it. I just bought

2285
02:05:14,200 --> 02:05:18,080
Speaker 1: show cue. That's an incredible Like, Yo, we had so

2286
02:05:18,240 --> 02:05:22,600
Speaker 1: much time a kind of school I could. We drove,

2287
02:05:22,720 --> 02:05:25,080
Speaker 1: We drove and this is the first time, like this

2288
02:05:25,160 --> 02:05:27,440
Speaker 1: first time I have my own tour bus and like

2289
02:05:27,560 --> 02:05:29,800
Speaker 1: this is the first time it's happening. It was a

2290
02:05:29,880 --> 02:05:32,720
Speaker 1: national tour. Yeah yeah yeah, Like like at the t

2291
02:05:32,840 --> 02:05:35,040
Speaker 1: shirt got like probably about fifty dates on it, you

2292
02:05:35,080 --> 02:05:37,800
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Um and uh, like this is

2293
02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:40,360
Speaker 1: my word. We drove on the tour bus from New York.

2294
02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:43,960
Speaker 1: Me show Queues was on the bus with us. We

2295
02:05:44,440 --> 02:05:46,160
Speaker 1: was on the bus and we started off in Phoenix.

2296
02:05:46,200 --> 02:05:49,080
Speaker 1: First date was in Phoenix. And just riding from New

2297
02:05:49,160 --> 02:05:51,800
Speaker 1: York to Phoenix for the first show, Like we didn't

2298
02:05:51,800 --> 02:05:54,080
Speaker 1: fly there. We were on the bus with the driver.

2299
02:05:54,320 --> 02:05:57,400
Speaker 1: It's like thirty seven. Yeah, I felt like yeah, yeah,

2300
02:05:57,840 --> 02:05:59,880
Speaker 1: but but it was just like it was just like

2301
02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:05,320
Speaker 1: bathrooms then yeah yeah, yeah, yeah you think it just

2302
02:06:10,600 --> 02:06:17,600
Speaker 1: the window It was a hour house in the bus. Yo.

2303
02:06:17,960 --> 02:06:20,000
Speaker 1: But but but the trip there was like the yellow

2304
02:06:20,040 --> 02:06:21,600
Speaker 1: brick roll, you know what I'm saying, Like like it

2305
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:23,800
Speaker 1: was like like yodis is about to happen, you know

2306
02:06:23,800 --> 02:06:25,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like it was dope like like you know,

2307
02:06:26,040 --> 02:06:28,440
Speaker 1: and and show business like one of my very best friends,

2308
02:06:28,480 --> 02:06:30,960
Speaker 1: especially in the industry, probably probably my very you know

2309
02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:32,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like like we used to have a

2310
02:06:32,280 --> 02:06:34,000
Speaker 1: house together, so you know, I bought him out and

2311
02:06:34,400 --> 02:06:35,960
Speaker 1: showed me like you know, like that was his first

2312
02:06:36,040 --> 02:06:38,680
Speaker 1: tour and this is when they remember when show had

2313
02:06:38,720 --> 02:06:42,080
Speaker 1: the red cassette tape that had Party Groove, the very

2314
02:06:42,160 --> 02:06:48,320
Speaker 1: first version getting it was during that that was they

2315
02:06:48,360 --> 02:06:57,840
Speaker 1: would just like, um, they were just the show dropped

2316
02:06:57,840 --> 02:06:59,920
Speaker 1: that out drop. It was just coming up. It was

2317
02:07:00,120 --> 02:07:03,000
Speaker 1: just that the album was just about to come at

2318
02:07:04,680 --> 02:07:06,080
Speaker 1: In fact, yeah, I don't think it was out yeah,

2319
02:07:06,080 --> 02:07:08,480
Speaker 1: because because I know we probably would have been like yo,

2320
02:07:08,600 --> 02:07:19,520
Speaker 1: come Rob, you know what I'm saying, like Yo, yeah, okay,

2321
02:07:19,560 --> 02:07:20,840
Speaker 1: so this is one I don't remember. We're gonna go

2322
02:07:20,880 --> 02:07:29,360
Speaker 1: with this one scarf Face or g rap Wow. Oh

2323
02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:34,040
Speaker 1: that hurts. That literally hurts. Like I played golf with

2324
02:07:34,160 --> 02:07:37,480
Speaker 1: scar Face like like like I'm I'm the floors. I

2325
02:07:37,600 --> 02:07:43,720
Speaker 1: respect the back there. You know what. Amazing nice Yeah

2326
02:07:43,880 --> 02:07:46,440
Speaker 1: i'mn have a golfer and um yeah yeah me and

2327
02:07:46,520 --> 02:07:49,160
Speaker 1: Face get it in like yo, yeah he's nice to

2328
02:07:49,240 --> 02:07:51,960
Speaker 1: be cause he complay got a little game. Um but

2329
02:07:52,040 --> 02:07:55,440
Speaker 1: we saw my g brack um damn and Raps from

2330
02:07:55,560 --> 02:08:02,920
Speaker 1: where damn. Yeah, let's see. I'm you know what, um

2331
02:08:03,920 --> 02:08:10,200
Speaker 1: this is? This is This is a This is a

2332
02:08:10,280 --> 02:08:12,960
Speaker 1: hard one because I can look at it like like

2333
02:08:13,080 --> 02:08:18,680
Speaker 1: g raps personal influence is greater than scar Face personal

2334
02:08:18,760 --> 02:08:21,600
Speaker 1: influence on me. But I'm able to kind of step

2335
02:08:21,680 --> 02:08:23,920
Speaker 1: back from it and look at both of their personal

2336
02:08:23,960 --> 02:08:27,440
Speaker 1: influence on hip hop. You know what I'm saying, And

2337
02:08:28,240 --> 02:08:39,080
Speaker 1: to that regard, um, it's I'm really really gonna have

2338
02:08:39,280 --> 02:08:44,160
Speaker 1: to give it by a millimeter too. It's actually very close,

2339
02:08:45,000 --> 02:08:47,640
Speaker 1: very right right, but but by that regard by millimeter

2340
02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:51,080
Speaker 1: might have to give it to face only only only

2341
02:08:51,200 --> 02:08:58,400
Speaker 1: because only because of this, every head, every head knows

2342
02:08:58,520 --> 02:09:02,960
Speaker 1: both of them and loves both. YEA. The only place

2343
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:07,920
Speaker 1: where one is really greater than the other is um

2344
02:09:10,440 --> 02:09:23,240
Speaker 1: is females that don't necessarily mess with hip hop like

2345
02:09:23,360 --> 02:09:26,720
Speaker 1: a little rap, but don't necessarily mess with hip hop.

2346
02:09:27,080 --> 02:09:29,080
Speaker 1: He lost me around with a little little and I'm

2347
02:09:29,080 --> 02:09:33,200
Speaker 1: gonna be come to bring full circle. Um. Star Face

2348
02:09:33,240 --> 02:09:37,480
Speaker 1: has made songs that that that gets get that get

2349
02:09:37,520 --> 02:09:41,840
Speaker 1: in rooms that g raps songs have it talk like sex.

2350
02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:46,000
Speaker 1: It's not gonna get in the same room that you know. Um,

2351
02:09:47,480 --> 02:09:51,320
Speaker 1: the some of Marry Mary Mary Man, what what's what's

2352
02:09:51,360 --> 02:09:53,800
Speaker 1: the what's the the hood? The hood record that that's

2353
02:09:54,040 --> 02:09:57,040
Speaker 1: done done and right right right right right right right

2354
02:09:57,480 --> 02:09:59,520
Speaker 1: right like like like like you talk about the Gettle

2355
02:09:59,520 --> 02:10:03,240
Speaker 1: Boys record, yeah, right right right right, not playing tricks

2356
02:10:03,240 --> 02:10:08,720
Speaker 1: but solo right right right, that's a record that that

2357
02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:12,560
Speaker 1: that really doesn't have you know what I'm saying, and

2358
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:18,560
Speaker 1: and and and they both got heads. But my block

2359
02:10:18,720 --> 02:10:21,840
Speaker 1: is gonna get the person that doesn't really funk with us.

2360
02:10:23,560 --> 02:10:27,600
Speaker 1: She Rapp doesn't have that song. If you don't funk

2361
02:10:27,640 --> 02:10:29,680
Speaker 1: with hip hop, you don't funk with rap. Rap doesn't

2362
02:10:29,680 --> 02:10:32,720
Speaker 1: really have doesn't really have the song that's gonna pull

2363
02:10:32,800 --> 02:10:35,840
Speaker 1: you in. But Face has a few records that if

2364
02:10:35,880 --> 02:10:39,040
Speaker 1: you don't funk with us. But I like that record, right,

2365
02:10:39,760 --> 02:10:41,240
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You see, Rap didn't come

2366
02:10:41,240 --> 02:10:44,640
Speaker 1: out for the Face versus versus. A lot of people

2367
02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:47,560
Speaker 1: spreading rumors to saying like like, he's kind of hard

2368
02:10:47,600 --> 02:10:49,920
Speaker 1: to work with our work with t rap, and there's

2369
02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:52,040
Speaker 1: always been a blessing for me that he didn't come

2370
02:10:52,080 --> 02:10:55,880
Speaker 1: up for hoodough. So what I mean was he invited

2371
02:10:58,240 --> 02:11:00,720
Speaker 1: once that he declined that was Carross for one exactly.

2372
02:11:01,000 --> 02:11:04,440
Speaker 1: He said that kind of in the midst of the battle, don't. Yeah,

2373
02:11:04,520 --> 02:11:07,320
Speaker 1: I mean, but you know, in the mid yeah, yeah,

2374
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:11,600
Speaker 1: but you know, but you know, like I hear, but

2375
02:11:11,680 --> 02:11:13,480
Speaker 1: I would have made moment I would I wouldn't. I

2376
02:11:13,480 --> 02:11:15,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't be too deep into it to say that that

2377
02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:18,080
Speaker 1: that she's a real one. You know, he might have

2378
02:11:18,120 --> 02:11:24,560
Speaker 1: been busy. Okay, you know, like he's that would have

2379
02:11:24,640 --> 02:11:27,840
Speaker 1: been crazy, it would have been but you know, but

2380
02:11:28,800 --> 02:11:34,000
Speaker 1: but his life he wants to but he might have been.

2381
02:11:34,160 --> 02:11:38,120
Speaker 1: Life is real, man, this is what I'm seeing. Life

2382
02:11:38,240 --> 02:11:40,200
Speaker 1: is really like like I'm saying, he really might have

2383
02:11:40,280 --> 02:11:42,040
Speaker 1: been busy. But you know what I'm saying, like like

2384
02:11:42,160 --> 02:11:45,720
Speaker 1: like you know, trust me, Like you know, it's like

2385
02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:51,200
Speaker 1: sometimes we get so caught up in think something. You know,

2386
02:11:51,240 --> 02:11:56,400
Speaker 1: it's like like drink champion, but the reason why, Yeah,

2387
02:11:56,480 --> 02:12:01,720
Speaker 1: but maybe it happens. Maybe you want to make the

2388
02:12:01,800 --> 02:12:04,680
Speaker 1: call because it's kine record of Canes wanted to be

2389
02:12:05,160 --> 02:12:09,560
Speaker 1: from it. But when Cares once said, um, we invited

2390
02:12:09,640 --> 02:12:12,600
Speaker 1: g Rappid, he declined, like came was supposed to meanly

2391
02:12:12,640 --> 02:12:15,400
Speaker 1: come out on that next record and explain he didn't decline,

2392
02:12:15,760 --> 02:12:17,960
Speaker 1: but becamean address it at all. So it just makes

2393
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:22,080
Speaker 1: you just say, that's the truth Caress said it. Well,

2394
02:12:22,160 --> 02:12:24,960
Speaker 1: maybe the truth is he declined. Maybe that's what I'm saying,

2395
02:12:25,080 --> 02:12:28,360
Speaker 1: but he declined for his own reasons, maybe maybe his kids,

2396
02:12:28,440 --> 02:12:32,520
Speaker 1: but maybe he's maybe family, maybe someone little maybe you know,

2397
02:12:32,800 --> 02:12:35,080
Speaker 1: and that's trying to try to lead them to earlier

2398
02:12:35,400 --> 02:12:39,240
Speaker 1: like like like we will come and I say this

2399
02:12:39,680 --> 02:12:43,400
Speaker 1: like about everybody, like us included, we become fragile a

2400
02:12:43,480 --> 02:12:45,240
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, like like

2401
02:12:45,760 --> 02:12:48,200
Speaker 1: like has become like you know what I'm saying to

2402
02:12:48,280 --> 02:12:51,240
Speaker 1: the degree that you know, like like right now the

2403
02:12:51,320 --> 02:12:56,280
Speaker 1: word and it's not poking. I'm just because it's dead decline,

2404
02:12:56,400 --> 02:13:02,360
Speaker 1: he declined. There's nothing naked about that. There's nothing, there's

2405
02:13:02,360 --> 02:13:05,760
Speaker 1: nothing negative. I'm gonna say that to put the clan

2406
02:13:06,480 --> 02:13:09,440
Speaker 1: say word take the word and say the process of negative.

2407
02:13:09,480 --> 02:13:11,480
Speaker 1: I don't think the clone will fall with the positive.

2408
02:13:11,880 --> 02:13:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't think it's full on the positive need that

2409
02:13:13,560 --> 02:13:17,880
Speaker 1: that's right. I think I think would be a new word, ya, buddy, Well,

2410
02:13:18,120 --> 02:13:20,760
Speaker 1: it depends on the word for the lack of a

2411
02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:22,400
Speaker 1: better thing. It depends on when you put the word

2412
02:13:22,480 --> 02:13:28,000
Speaker 1: like depends when you're declining to are you gonna jump

2413
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:33,400
Speaker 1: off the room? Like for lack of drink From day one,

2414
02:13:33,480 --> 02:13:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying you're gonna jump off the roof the climbs like.

2415
02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:40,360
Speaker 1: It all depends on when you put the word like

2416
02:13:40,480 --> 02:13:45,360
Speaker 1: everything but it's negative to the jumping off parts one

2417
02:13:45,440 --> 02:13:48,000
Speaker 1: last one, I'm jump back into that y'all been drinking

2418
02:13:51,200 --> 02:13:53,320
Speaker 1: one last one is even gonna jump back into that? Okay,

2419
02:13:53,520 --> 02:14:00,160
Speaker 1: jump or large bro, premre large bro. You know my

2420
02:14:00,240 --> 02:14:09,920
Speaker 1: life pro story, Queen gotta que I got another one story.

2421
02:14:10,200 --> 02:14:12,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know what I mean. We

2422
02:14:12,520 --> 02:14:17,200
Speaker 1: obviously don't know your alright, it's a good place for

2423
02:14:17,320 --> 02:14:24,960
Speaker 1: that guy. This is the place story before, before, before

2424
02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:27,960
Speaker 1: I choose, I'm gonna tell you all this story. It's

2425
02:14:27,960 --> 02:14:30,360
Speaker 1: a real story. I'm sorry. It's a real story, and

2426
02:14:30,640 --> 02:14:32,960
Speaker 1: it's it's when I was right under your noses. But

2427
02:14:33,000 --> 02:14:34,320
Speaker 1: a lot of my ship is kind of like that

2428
02:14:35,480 --> 02:14:40,240
Speaker 1: right under. Come, let's go pete this. When I first

2429
02:14:40,280 --> 02:14:42,320
Speaker 1: get back from Carolina, when I first get up here,

2430
02:14:42,440 --> 02:14:45,320
Speaker 1: my pops will gets to be a heroin dealer, pretty

2431
02:14:45,320 --> 02:14:48,160
Speaker 1: pretty fair sized ee right there in the bland fleshing

2432
02:14:48,440 --> 02:14:51,880
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and um big family, the August family.

2433
02:14:52,120 --> 02:14:55,120
Speaker 1: So when I first get back, I'm having inclinations, you know,

2434
02:14:55,280 --> 02:14:57,280
Speaker 1: towards music, you know, saying, but I'm not sure what

2435
02:14:57,360 --> 02:14:58,520
Speaker 1: I want to do. But I'm like, yo, pop, I

2436
02:14:58,600 --> 02:15:00,600
Speaker 1: really like this hip hop stuff that seven yether, you know,

2437
02:15:00,760 --> 02:15:02,480
Speaker 1: like I would love to kind of find my way

2438
02:15:02,520 --> 02:15:05,480
Speaker 1: into it. My Papa was like, Yo, you gotta go

2439
02:15:05,600 --> 02:15:08,960
Speaker 1: find this kid. Go find this kid. I'm cool with

2440
02:15:09,040 --> 02:15:12,040
Speaker 1: his father. His father is like a family friend. Go

2441
02:15:12,200 --> 02:15:16,160
Speaker 1: find him. Tell him that I sent you to find you,

2442
02:15:16,280 --> 02:15:19,440
Speaker 1: to find him. He's going to help you. This is

2443
02:15:19,480 --> 02:15:21,520
Speaker 1: your father telling my father telling me. I'm telling my

2444
02:15:21,600 --> 02:15:24,680
Speaker 1: father like golden child, sho find the person. Go find

2445
02:15:24,720 --> 02:15:28,520
Speaker 1: this go find I'm cool. I'm cool with his father.

2446
02:15:28,720 --> 02:15:30,600
Speaker 1: His father knows who I am. You know what I'm saying.

2447
02:15:30,640 --> 02:15:33,520
Speaker 1: I've been around him and his father. His father knows

2448
02:15:33,600 --> 02:15:36,720
Speaker 1: our family. Go find him. He's in this stuff. He'll

2449
02:15:36,760 --> 02:15:39,520
Speaker 1: help you. This before this, before I'm in the studio

2450
02:15:39,600 --> 02:15:43,080
Speaker 1: with Native owners just forelongs there all. So when I

2451
02:15:43,400 --> 02:15:45,960
Speaker 1: when I find large professor who my father told me

2452
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:49,000
Speaker 1: to go find, I'm trying to explain he wasn't large,

2453
02:15:52,240 --> 02:15:54,160
Speaker 1: he's you know, but he's gonna do that, and you know,

2454
02:15:54,320 --> 02:15:57,440
Speaker 1: like yeah, like, um, you know, yeah, so I mean

2455
02:15:57,520 --> 02:16:02,080
Speaker 1: before yeah, yeah, you know, but but I find him

2456
02:16:02,760 --> 02:16:06,040
Speaker 1: and I'm just not what else what else it was

2457
02:16:06,240 --> 02:16:09,360
Speaker 1: in the city. I see him in the city and

2458
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:13,400
Speaker 1: um and because he because he was cool with tipping him,

2459
02:16:13,400 --> 02:16:14,840
Speaker 1: you know, saying like like this is when I'm just

2460
02:16:15,320 --> 02:16:17,400
Speaker 1: just starting to meet some kind of things. I think.

2461
02:16:17,600 --> 02:16:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm no, no, no, this is before this was this

2462
02:16:20,080 --> 02:16:22,920
Speaker 1: before tipping him. I bumped to him in the city.

2463
02:16:23,720 --> 02:16:27,560
Speaker 1: How what was the situation? I forgot what the situation was,

2464
02:16:27,680 --> 02:16:31,000
Speaker 1: but somebody puts me onto him, and I'm like, oh, ship,

2465
02:16:31,120 --> 02:16:33,280
Speaker 1: my pop's been sending me to look for you. I

2466
02:16:33,400 --> 02:16:35,640
Speaker 1: just came from North Carolina, this any other and all

2467
02:16:35,720 --> 02:16:38,000
Speaker 1: he heard was I just came from North Carolina and

2468
02:16:38,080 --> 02:16:41,320
Speaker 1: everything else mus to sound like ura. You know what

2469
02:16:41,360 --> 02:16:43,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because when I said, you know, when my

2470
02:16:43,800 --> 02:16:46,439
Speaker 1: pops tend me to find you, I just came from Carolina,

2471
02:16:46,520 --> 02:16:48,400
Speaker 1: just said, Neil, I'm trying to do this music yell

2472
02:16:48,840 --> 02:16:51,200
Speaker 1: like like he was like yo, like for real, like

2473
02:16:51,320 --> 02:16:54,879
Speaker 1: like like he really played me like like listen. It's

2474
02:16:54,959 --> 02:16:58,040
Speaker 1: just made his face like like like you know, like

2475
02:16:58,440 --> 02:17:01,039
Speaker 1: like like country like country country, like country, hold up,

2476
02:17:01,040 --> 02:17:03,760
Speaker 1: hold on the country, you know, like like that was

2477
02:17:03,840 --> 02:17:06,840
Speaker 1: the whole demeanor. And I kind of got it because

2478
02:17:06,920 --> 02:17:09,360
Speaker 1: we did it to country cats later and you know,

2479
02:17:09,440 --> 02:17:19,600
Speaker 1: like New York really really it was I've been for years.

2480
02:17:24,840 --> 02:17:28,240
Speaker 1: We did, we did, and I did too, and I

2481
02:17:28,360 --> 02:17:29,800
Speaker 1: was wrong. You know what I'm saying, but just say

2482
02:17:29,879 --> 02:17:33,360
Speaker 1: like none of less. So so he plays me like that,

2483
02:17:33,520 --> 02:17:35,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And so I have no

2484
02:17:35,200 --> 02:17:37,880
Speaker 1: idea how I should move forward. So I just bounced

2485
02:17:37,879 --> 02:17:39,880
Speaker 1: off like I had cool. You know, I well, I

2486
02:17:39,879 --> 02:17:41,760
Speaker 1: ain't mean to bother you. Man. I go back to

2487
02:17:41,840 --> 02:17:44,520
Speaker 1: my father. I'm like, yo, he is not gonna help me.

2488
02:17:44,640 --> 02:17:46,000
Speaker 1: There's no way in the world's gonna help me. Like

2489
02:17:46,040 --> 02:17:47,920
Speaker 1: he played me like like I was just some sucker.

2490
02:17:48,760 --> 02:17:52,200
Speaker 1: So my father was like, why as then up keeping

2491
02:17:52,240 --> 02:17:54,280
Speaker 1: it a buck? My father said, you know what, his

2492
02:17:54,360 --> 02:17:56,880
Speaker 1: father could be funny sometimes too. Don't even worry about it.

2493
02:17:57,720 --> 02:18:00,720
Speaker 1: So this is my father's words, the act. You know,

2494
02:18:01,720 --> 02:18:04,960
Speaker 1: so um, So I bounced off of it. You know

2495
02:18:05,040 --> 02:18:08,120
Speaker 1: I am cool. I go on to you know, I

2496
02:18:08,200 --> 02:18:11,520
Speaker 1: want to get in trouble. That's any other beat long later,

2497
02:18:11,760 --> 02:18:14,440
Speaker 1: this any other all the native something stuff happens, this

2498
02:18:14,640 --> 02:18:19,879
Speaker 1: any other so fast forward. I got the record out,

2499
02:18:20,160 --> 02:18:25,360
Speaker 1: Flavored Choice, faking the funk comes out. Now I know

2500
02:18:25,440 --> 02:18:28,039
Speaker 1: who he is because my father just got My father

2501
02:18:28,120 --> 02:18:29,720
Speaker 1: said me, I don't know if he knows that I'm

2502
02:18:29,720 --> 02:18:31,840
Speaker 1: gonna do that. Ran up on him that all that

2503
02:18:31,959 --> 02:18:33,480
Speaker 1: time back. But I know who he is. You know,

2504
02:18:34,040 --> 02:18:36,000
Speaker 1: you know my father se I'm proud of him, like

2505
02:18:36,040 --> 02:18:38,280
Speaker 1: you know, like and I'm cool that like that my

2506
02:18:38,360 --> 02:18:40,720
Speaker 1: father like said, you're faking the fun came out faking,

2507
02:18:40,920 --> 02:18:42,800
Speaker 1: Isn't that on the way man can't jump? Its main

2508
02:18:42,879 --> 02:18:47,800
Speaker 1: source for people that don't know, we gotta talk. I'm

2509
02:18:47,879 --> 02:18:51,000
Speaker 1: in the exotic you know what I'm saying. That's family, Um,

2510
02:18:51,280 --> 02:18:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, like comes out and I buy the record,

2511
02:18:55,080 --> 02:18:58,039
Speaker 1: like that's how much it's a crazy record, by the way, crazy,

2512
02:18:58,280 --> 02:19:00,440
Speaker 1: But now I'm gonna record not that that's why this

2513
02:19:00,440 --> 02:19:02,160
Speaker 1: show I'm about to say, it hurts even more, you

2514
02:19:02,200 --> 02:19:06,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like yo, so yeah, right right, frush,

2515
02:19:07,440 --> 02:19:10,720
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So so I buy the record.

2516
02:19:10,840 --> 02:19:13,680
Speaker 1: You know it's literally supported to that degree when the

2517
02:19:13,720 --> 02:19:18,120
Speaker 1: record gets on two minutes and fifty seconds. If you

2518
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:21,040
Speaker 1: go on YouTube right now, two minutes and fifty seconds,

2519
02:19:21,120 --> 02:19:25,160
Speaker 1: faking the funk, you're here. Just turn it up now listen.

2520
02:19:25,360 --> 02:19:29,240
Speaker 1: I listen right under it. Now, listen now listen. And

2521
02:19:29,280 --> 02:19:31,360
Speaker 1: I kept putting that ship back and I'm like, that

2522
02:19:31,520 --> 02:19:35,600
Speaker 1: sounds so much like it's me from from Holseby knows

2523
02:19:36,879 --> 02:19:40,840
Speaker 1: this nigga put my voice under faking the funk, even

2524
02:19:40,959 --> 02:19:43,200
Speaker 1: the line not ring the bell. That's some ship I

2525
02:19:43,280 --> 02:19:45,880
Speaker 1: used to rhyme on Pristan Roosevelt when we called a

2526
02:19:45,920 --> 02:19:47,560
Speaker 1: four bagger. If you called a four bag and you

2527
02:19:47,640 --> 02:19:49,520
Speaker 1: hit the stops, I'm ring the belt some my corn

2528
02:19:49,600 --> 02:19:51,800
Speaker 1: board war story, ring the bell. I'm like, I'm going

2529
02:19:51,959 --> 02:19:55,720
Speaker 1: to kill this nigga. You know what I'm saying, like,

2530
02:19:55,879 --> 02:20:03,480
Speaker 1: because what happened was this. I hustle where you live

2531
02:20:04,760 --> 02:20:09,160
Speaker 1: and I've never seen you ever because he's gonna flush

2532
02:20:09,200 --> 02:20:12,400
Speaker 1: into Yeah, he's from walking distance from where I hustle

2533
02:20:12,560 --> 02:20:19,200
Speaker 1: for years, got felonies there. I've never seen this in

2534
02:20:19,480 --> 02:20:24,040
Speaker 1: my life now, unbeknownst to me, so so crushed me.

2535
02:20:24,520 --> 02:20:29,840
Speaker 1: I'm fair now now nobody else knows my war, including him,

2536
02:20:30,879 --> 02:20:35,760
Speaker 1: But faking the funcus far from my war. You know,

2537
02:20:35,760 --> 02:20:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, how dare you? I'm I'm I'm disgusted

2538
02:20:39,720 --> 02:20:42,279
Speaker 1: discussing to degree that to me is beyond a record

2539
02:20:42,400 --> 02:20:46,520
Speaker 1: because I hustle where you're from. You know what I'm saying,

2540
02:20:46,560 --> 02:20:48,680
Speaker 1: like like like you gotta be out of your fucking mind.

2541
02:20:49,160 --> 02:20:50,640
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like like like it's beyond

2542
02:20:50,680 --> 02:20:55,200
Speaker 1: the record. So eventually, oh, my man's here, you know,

2543
02:20:55,320 --> 02:20:57,800
Speaker 1: so eventually, so so I got it out here. I'm pissed.

2544
02:20:57,800 --> 02:20:59,720
Speaker 1: I'm pissed at this dude, you know what I'm saying.

2545
02:20:59,800 --> 02:21:01,879
Speaker 1: So visually I'm like, I'm a bumping to him eventually,

2546
02:21:02,480 --> 02:21:06,480
Speaker 1: So eventually I'm on a hun you know what I'm saying,

2547
02:21:06,879 --> 02:21:08,959
Speaker 1: call um right next to Willie Burgs like two three

2548
02:21:08,959 --> 02:21:10,680
Speaker 1: and the more. It's like two three in the morning.

2549
02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:13,520
Speaker 1: And when my man queues sitting right next to me,

2550
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:17,199
Speaker 1: we mean the seventh series BM. You know what I'm saying.

2551
02:21:17,360 --> 02:21:20,840
Speaker 1: I looked at my left, who do I see large

2552
02:21:20,920 --> 02:21:24,119
Speaker 1: professor at the like we had a red light's large

2553
02:21:24,160 --> 02:21:30,880
Speaker 1: professor and I cannelt ye. So before the light changes,

2554
02:21:31,520 --> 02:21:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm like culling this nigger, you know what I'm saying.

2555
02:21:35,560 --> 02:21:38,080
Speaker 1: Before the light changes, I pulled my car out and

2556
02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:40,440
Speaker 1: I cut his car off at the light. Right at

2557
02:21:40,440 --> 02:21:44,600
Speaker 1: the light. He can't even move forward a hundred in

2558
02:21:44,640 --> 02:21:46,720
Speaker 1: the middle of street. I got a car cut off,

2559
02:21:46,760 --> 02:21:52,280
Speaker 1: Like I'm a cop. I get off the car, get

2560
02:21:52,320 --> 02:21:54,800
Speaker 1: out the car, walk around the side to his mirror,

2561
02:21:54,879 --> 02:21:58,720
Speaker 1: to his window. I'm like his eyes as big as sources,

2562
02:21:58,800 --> 02:22:02,160
Speaker 1: like you know, like what the fund is happening. I'm like, um,

2563
02:22:02,240 --> 02:22:06,720
Speaker 1: put up yo, what up yo? Um listening professor, did

2564
02:22:06,879 --> 02:22:13,480
Speaker 1: you did you say mple my voice, I'm faking the funk?

2565
02:22:14,920 --> 02:22:19,920
Speaker 1: He's like huh, Like wait, man, did you sample my

2566
02:22:20,040 --> 02:22:23,760
Speaker 1: voice on faking the phone? And he's looking at you know,

2567
02:22:23,840 --> 02:22:26,640
Speaker 1: he looks around, he looks at the scenario, and he

2568
02:22:26,760 --> 02:22:30,720
Speaker 1: looks at me like like, I'm sure he never imagined

2569
02:22:30,879 --> 02:22:33,160
Speaker 1: this that you know what I'm saying. And he's like no,

2570
02:22:34,080 --> 02:22:40,560
Speaker 1: it looks at me like no, and like in that moment,

2571
02:22:42,080 --> 02:22:45,800
Speaker 1: in that moment, I'm glad he said that. Glad he

2572
02:22:46,160 --> 02:22:49,879
Speaker 1: denied it. I'm glad he denied it because and he said, yeah,

2573
02:22:49,959 --> 02:22:51,560
Speaker 1: this is my word. I was so mad at him,

2574
02:22:52,560 --> 02:22:54,360
Speaker 1: I was gonna pull him out the window like that's

2575
02:22:54,400 --> 02:22:56,400
Speaker 1: there's no if fans or buts about it. I'm gonna

2576
02:22:56,480 --> 02:22:58,160
Speaker 1: let you finish. But this is a sampling like a

2577
02:22:58,800 --> 02:23:06,480
Speaker 1: problem you was. You was saying because she jumped, intervened,

2578
02:23:08,360 --> 02:23:13,400
Speaker 1: he didn't do this, nig is crazy. So you felt

2579
02:23:13,440 --> 02:23:16,280
Speaker 1: like he was because he from the little kid ship.

2580
02:23:16,360 --> 02:23:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm telling you the ship got he like that what

2581
02:23:19,080 --> 02:23:21,000
Speaker 1: it is. But what I'm saying, did you feel like

2582
02:23:21,920 --> 02:23:24,240
Speaker 1: he just shouldn't have sampled you or because how he

2583
02:23:24,680 --> 02:23:27,960
Speaker 1: wasn't mad at about It wasn't homage to sam. It

2584
02:23:28,080 --> 02:23:30,840
Speaker 1: wasn't like here to be At one point, I thought

2585
02:23:30,840 --> 02:23:33,600
Speaker 1: that was hamish. Actually, I'm asking you like you didn't

2586
02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:35,360
Speaker 1: think it. You couldn't feel like, yeah, that was dumb.

2587
02:23:35,800 --> 02:23:38,000
Speaker 1: I don't know dress dress. Yeah. Let me tell y'all

2588
02:23:38,000 --> 02:23:40,400
Speaker 1: all right, like like right now, right now, I'm a

2589
02:23:40,440 --> 02:23:50,640
Speaker 1: little disappointed in y'all. Disappointed, mad a little bit because

2590
02:23:50,720 --> 02:23:53,720
Speaker 1: y'all'll know goddamn well when hip hop is and what

2591
02:23:53,879 --> 02:23:56,039
Speaker 1: hip hop is not, and y'all know that the shot

2592
02:23:56,120 --> 02:24:01,160
Speaker 1: sniggers were taking. So you feel, yeah, not just just

2593
02:24:01,400 --> 02:24:06,160
Speaker 1: just to temperature up the climate of hip hop, that's okay.

2594
02:24:06,720 --> 02:24:10,520
Speaker 1: Faking the funk he was saying, you were taking the

2595
02:24:10,560 --> 02:24:15,800
Speaker 1: phone talking at games, you felt it was just saying.

2596
02:24:15,840 --> 02:24:17,800
Speaker 1: I just said I had a round where when I

2597
02:24:17,879 --> 02:24:20,040
Speaker 1: was hustling up where I say, ring the bell, This

2598
02:24:20,160 --> 02:24:24,080
Speaker 1: nigga said, war started ring the bell. This nigga that

2599
02:24:24,200 --> 02:24:28,680
Speaker 1: got my voice under it. It's my voice, it's mine.

2600
02:24:29,360 --> 02:24:35,720
Speaker 1: Faking the funk, I don't know, man, Like on top

2601
02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:39,520
Speaker 1: of you, on top of it, a hustle, on top

2602
02:24:39,560 --> 02:24:43,360
Speaker 1: of a hustle a hustle where this nigga is saying

2603
02:24:43,520 --> 02:24:47,720
Speaker 1: that he's from. He's claiming flushing and you know, and

2604
02:24:47,760 --> 02:24:51,959
Speaker 1: claim flushing. It's all loved, yo, I love you know y'

2605
02:24:52,120 --> 02:24:54,800
Speaker 1: y'all gonna like were goals, but I'm telling you all

2606
02:24:54,800 --> 02:24:57,440
Speaker 1: where it was all right, So you know, claim flushing

2607
02:24:57,520 --> 02:24:59,200
Speaker 1: is all good. But at the end of the day,

2608
02:24:59,360 --> 02:25:02,840
Speaker 1: like like repped flushing. You know what I'm saying. It's

2609
02:25:02,879 --> 02:25:05,240
Speaker 1: a difference, you know what I'm saying, the different claiming

2610
02:25:05,320 --> 02:25:07,000
Speaker 1: some of them repping something. You know what I'm saying.

2611
02:25:07,040 --> 02:25:09,160
Speaker 1: I repped Flushing, you know what I'm saying. And um,

2612
02:25:09,800 --> 02:25:11,880
Speaker 1: so you know. So so I was letting them know, like, yo,

2613
02:25:11,959 --> 02:25:14,480
Speaker 1: you must be out of your mind. And the fact

2614
02:25:14,560 --> 02:25:18,640
Speaker 1: that you denied it said everything, because if it was

2615
02:25:18,680 --> 02:25:20,720
Speaker 1: any of what y'are talking about, ain't nothing wrong with

2616
02:25:20,840 --> 02:25:26,000
Speaker 1: saying yeah you know, or did I or did I

2617
02:25:26,080 --> 02:25:31,400
Speaker 1: do something wrong or just you know? But no, no,

2618
02:25:31,480 --> 02:25:33,400
Speaker 1: it was you're pulling up in front out the street.

2619
02:25:34,160 --> 02:25:39,680
Speaker 1: It's no time to say yeah, maybe i'll call you

2620
02:25:39,800 --> 02:25:44,400
Speaker 1: later say yeah, I just told you I think he

2621
02:25:44,440 --> 02:25:47,200
Speaker 1: did the right that you know, he absolutely did the right.

2622
02:25:47,280 --> 02:25:48,600
Speaker 1: Then I just told you I think he did the

2623
02:25:48,720 --> 02:25:51,440
Speaker 1: right thing. But but but but but but later he

2624
02:25:51,520 --> 02:25:54,360
Speaker 1: told you, but it wasn't what but but I didn't

2625
02:25:54,400 --> 02:25:57,280
Speaker 1: do but I didn't do the wrong thing. It was

2626
02:25:57,640 --> 02:25:59,760
Speaker 1: it was it was what I thought it was, you know.

2627
02:26:00,040 --> 02:26:02,120
Speaker 1: And so when you listen to it, you know you're here,

2628
02:26:02,120 --> 02:26:03,840
Speaker 1: and I listen. I listened. So I asked him you

2629
02:26:04,200 --> 02:26:06,560
Speaker 1: did you see with my voice? And he's like nah,

2630
02:26:07,560 --> 02:26:12,880
Speaker 1: And and in that moment, I was like, Yo, if

2631
02:26:12,959 --> 02:26:19,560
Speaker 1: you didn't sample my voice, then you ain't nobody, because

2632
02:26:20,680 --> 02:26:26,320
Speaker 1: somebody sampled my voice. But if it wasn't you, then

2633
02:26:26,400 --> 02:26:29,640
Speaker 1: you ain't no body I'm talking to whoever did that,

2634
02:26:30,520 --> 02:26:32,040
Speaker 1: or they would they would be able to stand by that.

2635
02:26:32,720 --> 02:26:34,520
Speaker 1: And I got back in my car. You know what

2636
02:26:34,560 --> 02:26:36,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But every time I've seen him after that,

2637
02:26:37,000 --> 02:26:39,000
Speaker 1: that nigga couldn't get a pound from me. If he

2638
02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:41,960
Speaker 1: swild my niggas, I'd be like, funk that nigga. Yeah,

2639
02:26:41,959 --> 02:26:43,640
Speaker 1: any way, this is a together. And that'd be the

2640
02:26:43,760 --> 02:26:46,120
Speaker 1: things that cats thought that they could do to me

2641
02:26:46,879 --> 02:26:50,120
Speaker 1: when the load, when the low cats thought that that

2642
02:26:50,240 --> 02:26:52,080
Speaker 1: that that would be my work, and and it would

2643
02:26:52,120 --> 02:26:53,960
Speaker 1: be it would be funny when the cat that thinks

2644
02:26:54,000 --> 02:26:56,400
Speaker 1: that they don't funk with you, realize that they can't

2645
02:26:56,440 --> 02:26:59,640
Speaker 1: funk with you. You know what I'm saying, And and

2646
02:26:59,800 --> 02:27:01,480
Speaker 1: and that's a little more of my walk than cats

2647
02:27:01,560 --> 02:27:05,039
Speaker 1: ever realized. But I don't. I don't talk a lot.

2648
02:27:05,600 --> 02:27:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying, unless some more drink chips. I'm saying, like,

2649
02:27:07,920 --> 02:27:14,480
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But I'm I'm gonna bring

2650
02:27:14,520 --> 02:27:18,080
Speaker 1: this fools. I'm telling if if I tell you a

2651
02:27:18,080 --> 02:27:19,680
Speaker 1: story a hunt of time, I'm gonna tell you exactly

2652
02:27:19,720 --> 02:27:22,800
Speaker 1: the same thing. Ain't Nober the truth. So now I'm

2653
02:27:22,879 --> 02:27:24,560
Speaker 1: mad at him, you know what I'm saying, because I

2654
02:27:24,600 --> 02:27:27,200
Speaker 1: feel like he disrespected me. And and I'm not speaking

2655
02:27:27,240 --> 02:27:28,800
Speaker 1: on it because I don't want it to become something

2656
02:27:28,879 --> 02:27:31,240
Speaker 1: that everybody's like, yo, because now I gotta do something

2657
02:27:31,280 --> 02:27:34,680
Speaker 1: to you being record or as mad as I was,

2658
02:27:34,840 --> 02:27:36,560
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I know niggas that

2659
02:27:36,600 --> 02:27:40,160
Speaker 1: got him under pressure where he lives, like like is

2660
02:27:40,280 --> 02:27:42,279
Speaker 1: that deep? Like you know what I'm saying. Like, but anyway,

2661
02:27:42,520 --> 02:27:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I don't want to be I was

2662
02:27:45,600 --> 02:27:48,160
Speaker 1: mad at him for a while. I wanted up leaving

2663
02:27:48,320 --> 02:27:50,480
Speaker 1: New York, going to Carolina and coming back and when

2664
02:27:50,520 --> 02:27:52,760
Speaker 1: I came back, Professor was one of the first people

2665
02:27:52,760 --> 02:27:55,160
Speaker 1: I saw when I got back. And this is my word,

2666
02:27:55,200 --> 02:27:58,119
Speaker 1: in my heart, I didn't want to be mad at him.

2667
02:27:58,760 --> 02:28:01,760
Speaker 1: In my heart, I was like my father sent me

2668
02:28:01,840 --> 02:28:05,760
Speaker 1: to find him, like like like like in my heart,

2669
02:28:06,520 --> 02:28:09,000
Speaker 1: even though I felt like he tried to play me.

2670
02:28:09,800 --> 02:28:14,000
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying he didn't know me, He didn't

2671
02:28:14,120 --> 02:28:19,480
Speaker 1: know he didn't know himself to do that ship. You

2672
02:28:19,520 --> 02:28:21,400
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because if he didn't know himself,

2673
02:28:21,800 --> 02:28:23,880
Speaker 1: he would have never done that ship. You know what

2674
02:28:23,879 --> 02:28:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because at the end of the day, like

2675
02:28:26,320 --> 02:28:30,840
Speaker 1: you ain't getting props off of off of that ship.

2676
02:28:31,280 --> 02:28:36,280
Speaker 1: In my eyes, the person that you focus that ship at,

2677
02:28:37,000 --> 02:28:38,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like nigger, I walked through

2678
02:28:38,920 --> 02:28:43,000
Speaker 1: that ship, you know I'm saying, and and and I'll

2679
02:28:43,120 --> 02:28:47,800
Speaker 1: prove who was faking the funk if anybody was. But

2680
02:28:47,879 --> 02:28:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. I don't want to

2681
02:28:50,080 --> 02:28:52,320
Speaker 1: be mad at you know. More so what I see

2682
02:28:52,400 --> 02:28:54,720
Speaker 1: him at a DJ at a gig in Manhattan, and

2683
02:28:54,800 --> 02:28:56,200
Speaker 1: I woke up to him at the d end of

2684
02:28:56,200 --> 02:28:59,720
Speaker 1: the DJ. But yeah, yeah, this is this is literally

2685
02:28:59,800 --> 02:29:01,560
Speaker 1: like here too later you know I'm saying, I don't

2686
02:29:01,560 --> 02:29:03,320
Speaker 1: went down south came back, but I don't want to

2687
02:29:03,320 --> 02:29:05,280
Speaker 1: be mad. Every time I saw him, I would I

2688
02:29:05,320 --> 02:29:08,360
Speaker 1: would just be on some bullshit with and I'm the

2689
02:29:08,440 --> 02:29:12,160
Speaker 1: type of chat out I wanted to make him mad

2690
02:29:12,280 --> 02:29:14,800
Speaker 1: enough to want to fight me. So the busses ass like,

2691
02:29:14,920 --> 02:29:17,360
Speaker 1: that's literally the type of ship definitely crazy, you know,

2692
02:29:17,959 --> 02:29:20,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, but you know, but but but he did that.

2693
02:29:20,640 --> 02:29:22,120
Speaker 1: I didn't do that, you know what I'm saying, like

2694
02:29:22,360 --> 02:29:24,680
Speaker 1: like that that that'd be my ship. I'm one of

2695
02:29:24,720 --> 02:29:26,720
Speaker 1: those dudes like once you break that, I'm the wrong

2696
02:29:26,800 --> 02:29:31,760
Speaker 1: person I had to never talk about. Don't want to

2697
02:29:31,760 --> 02:29:34,280
Speaker 1: those people want you like you know how people break

2698
02:29:34,320 --> 02:29:36,000
Speaker 1: the rules but then want you to play by the rules.

2699
02:29:36,640 --> 02:29:38,680
Speaker 1: I don't want those people like I make it blatantly

2700
02:29:38,720 --> 02:29:40,800
Speaker 1: obviously want you break the rules. Ain't no fucking rules.

2701
02:29:40,879 --> 02:29:43,960
Speaker 1: Now I'm saying, like that's me and that's why I

2702
02:29:44,040 --> 02:29:47,440
Speaker 1: don't like to get put in the positions. But nonetheless,

2703
02:29:47,879 --> 02:29:49,240
Speaker 1: so I walk up to him and I'm like, Yo,

2704
02:29:50,040 --> 02:29:51,520
Speaker 1: my dude, I don't want to be mad at you know,

2705
02:29:51,640 --> 02:29:53,600
Speaker 1: more mad like it was my word like we was kids.

2706
02:29:53,720 --> 02:29:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't think you meant that and honestly, I don't

2707
02:29:57,680 --> 02:30:00,200
Speaker 1: want to be looking at you like I want to

2708
02:30:00,200 --> 02:30:02,039
Speaker 1: do something to you. I don't know what I'm saying,

2709
02:30:02,080 --> 02:30:04,000
Speaker 1: so I want to apologize for the energy that I

2710
02:30:04,160 --> 02:30:05,760
Speaker 1: was coming at you. And you can see the relief

2711
02:30:05,800 --> 02:30:08,880
Speaker 1: in them. I'm saying this any other. He was like, Yo, Yo,

2712
02:30:09,000 --> 02:30:10,640
Speaker 1: that's cool man, it's any other like you know, like

2713
02:30:10,800 --> 02:30:13,600
Speaker 1: it's almost like he wanted to apologize, but an apologize.

2714
02:30:13,640 --> 02:30:17,120
Speaker 1: He didn't have to admit, so he didn't. But it's cool,

2715
02:30:17,280 --> 02:30:19,680
Speaker 1: but just to say. But he gave me his number

2716
02:30:20,480 --> 02:30:22,200
Speaker 1: and I appreciate it. I was like, yo, that's so duk,

2717
02:30:22,280 --> 02:30:24,360
Speaker 1: like like I'm definitely reach out, like like I thought

2718
02:30:24,400 --> 02:30:27,560
Speaker 1: it was cool that he trusted my energy in doing that.

2719
02:30:27,760 --> 02:30:29,760
Speaker 1: You know, he gave me his number, like like now

2720
02:30:29,800 --> 02:30:31,280
Speaker 1: I can get up with him, like like like my

2721
02:30:31,440 --> 02:30:34,360
Speaker 1: dad wanted me to type ship. I feel good about

2722
02:30:34,440 --> 02:30:37,400
Speaker 1: having his number. So I call him, you know, and

2723
02:30:37,760 --> 02:30:41,080
Speaker 1: we're talking this and the other. And he invited me

2724
02:30:41,120 --> 02:30:43,920
Speaker 1: over to his crib. And when I go to his crib,

2725
02:30:44,160 --> 02:30:45,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know where he lived, but he lives in

2726
02:30:45,640 --> 02:30:49,640
Speaker 1: the call out. She just no, no, no, I don't

2727
02:30:49,640 --> 02:31:00,840
Speaker 1: know where he lived. Drinking ahead I found out he

2728
02:31:00,920 --> 02:31:05,080
Speaker 1: lived in the car out at this time or still

2729
02:31:05,920 --> 02:31:16,920
Speaker 1: now you're all right, I was like, yeah, it's no

2730
02:31:17,240 --> 02:31:21,800
Speaker 1: NICKI like so, so I found out, you know, like

2731
02:31:21,879 --> 02:31:24,160
Speaker 1: he revited me to call out at the time. So

2732
02:31:24,400 --> 02:31:26,560
Speaker 1: I go over there and you know, we're sitting with

2733
02:31:26,680 --> 02:31:32,080
Speaker 1: talking um and I tell him how my father sent

2734
02:31:32,160 --> 02:31:36,280
Speaker 1: me to find him, and you know, like he's like, oh, ship,

2735
02:31:37,040 --> 02:31:39,840
Speaker 1: Like it's almost like, you know, like it's almost like

2736
02:31:39,920 --> 02:31:42,120
Speaker 1: when I came to you know, like like like like

2737
02:31:42,240 --> 02:31:44,960
Speaker 1: he literally played like I was from Carolina like that

2738
02:31:45,040 --> 02:31:47,280
Speaker 1: she came in in out what I'm saying, so like

2739
02:31:47,360 --> 02:31:50,600
Speaker 1: he had no idea. And then I started talking about,

2740
02:31:50,680 --> 02:31:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, about me being in the Bland and you know,

2741
02:31:53,720 --> 02:31:55,600
Speaker 1: growing up in the Bland, you know what I'm saying,

2742
02:31:55,640 --> 02:31:58,039
Speaker 1: and that together he starts telling me about him growing

2743
02:31:58,080 --> 02:32:00,120
Speaker 1: up in the Bland and it's not the other. Then

2744
02:32:00,160 --> 02:32:02,360
Speaker 1: he goes in the back. His father had just died.

2745
02:32:03,080 --> 02:32:04,520
Speaker 1: God bless him, you know what I'm saying, you know,

2746
02:32:04,600 --> 02:32:06,800
Speaker 1: God bless his pop. His father had just died. And

2747
02:32:06,840 --> 02:32:08,240
Speaker 1: he goes in the back and he's packing up a

2748
02:32:08,280 --> 02:32:09,720
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff. He goes to the back and he's

2749
02:32:09,720 --> 02:32:12,440
Speaker 1: playing me beach, which I was amazed that I'm listening

2750
02:32:12,480 --> 02:32:14,560
Speaker 1: to the beach steps professor playing for me, you know,

2751
02:32:14,680 --> 02:32:17,000
Speaker 1: like I thought all this time. He goes in the

2752
02:32:17,040 --> 02:32:19,600
Speaker 1: back and he comes back with a picture and he

2753
02:32:19,680 --> 02:32:21,400
Speaker 1: says to me, he sends me a picture. He said, Yo,

2754
02:32:22,440 --> 02:32:25,160
Speaker 1: this is my pop. He's like with his best friend.

2755
02:32:25,959 --> 02:32:28,880
Speaker 1: You know what this is. I said, Yeah, that's my

2756
02:32:29,000 --> 02:32:33,680
Speaker 1: uncle Raymond, my father's younger brother. H It's like that

2757
02:32:33,800 --> 02:32:37,039
Speaker 1: was my my dad's best friend. You know what I'm saying.

2758
02:32:37,800 --> 02:32:40,600
Speaker 1: Gray was passed away as well. No, no, no, no,

2759
02:32:40,760 --> 02:32:44,080
Speaker 1: my my uncle Raymond still out Okay, but but my

2760
02:32:44,160 --> 02:32:47,040
Speaker 1: uncle Raymond was his father's best friend. You know what

2761
02:32:47,040 --> 02:32:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like like like that's how we were kids

2762
02:32:49,760 --> 02:32:53,160
Speaker 1: together in the fucking big park and flushing his pictures,

2763
02:32:53,200 --> 02:32:57,160
Speaker 1: it's literally pictures of us as kids, meadow park, no fleshing,

2764
02:32:59,000 --> 02:33:02,240
Speaker 1: the parking in the you know what I'm saying, life Like,

2765
02:33:02,320 --> 02:33:06,000
Speaker 1: there's literally pictures of us as kids. You know what

2766
02:33:06,000 --> 02:33:09,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So so again when I say when we

2767
02:33:10,080 --> 02:33:12,640
Speaker 1: look at each other, what we see and when we

2768
02:33:12,760 --> 02:33:15,480
Speaker 1: don't see, you know what I'm saying, We family, man,

2769
02:33:16,400 --> 02:33:25,519
Speaker 1: We much more family than than than systemically induced realities.

2770
02:33:27,320 --> 02:33:29,920
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We family, and we gotta

2771
02:33:30,120 --> 02:33:32,400
Speaker 1: stop the bullshit every time we look at each other.

2772
02:33:32,440 --> 02:33:34,440
Speaker 1: That's what we gotta see. We gotta start moving together.

2773
02:33:34,680 --> 02:33:38,400
Speaker 1: We gotta start pooling our resources. Family. Man. It's it's

2774
02:33:38,400 --> 02:33:41,280
Speaker 1: how you know. And it's like life is taking me

2775
02:33:41,360 --> 02:33:45,040
Speaker 1: on so many missions for me to come full circle

2776
02:33:45,600 --> 02:33:49,280
Speaker 1: and be face to face with myself. All right, I'm

2777
02:33:49,360 --> 02:33:52,840
Speaker 1: sitting with fucking large because we don't win on this

2778
02:33:53,000 --> 02:33:58,640
Speaker 1: whole ship, and we was there from the beginning. Would

2779
02:33:58,640 --> 02:34:02,560
Speaker 1: you ever do a versus against the effects? Yeah? Me,

2780
02:34:02,760 --> 02:34:04,720
Speaker 1: and That's Effects is my favorite show I love. I

2781
02:34:04,760 --> 02:34:07,800
Speaker 1: love rocking shows with That's Effects. Yeah, I would that. Yeah,

2782
02:34:07,920 --> 02:34:10,880
Speaker 1: how are you? Yeah? I do it versus against anybody?

2783
02:34:10,920 --> 02:34:14,160
Speaker 1: I can care less. I would do it. I would

2784
02:34:14,200 --> 02:34:16,240
Speaker 1: do it versus versus the whole wolf saying about myself,

2785
02:34:17,120 --> 02:34:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, I do I know if I'm just saying

2786
02:34:22,400 --> 02:34:26,119
Speaker 1: like like like I'm you know, like yeah, yeah, I'd

2787
02:34:26,200 --> 02:34:29,520
Speaker 1: go against like the biggest you know, like battle rapper.

2788
02:34:29,560 --> 02:34:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm not a battle rapper, but like like I find,

2789
02:34:32,080 --> 02:34:37,760
Speaker 1: I find I find put myself in situations as an

2790
02:34:37,920 --> 02:34:44,480
Speaker 1: MC like like exhilarating, like like like every time, every

2791
02:34:44,520 --> 02:34:46,920
Speaker 1: time I've got I've been on a record with a

2792
02:34:46,959 --> 02:34:51,200
Speaker 1: bunch of m C s um like that ship is

2793
02:34:51,280 --> 02:34:54,760
Speaker 1: a it's a test of your metal, you know what

2794
02:34:54,800 --> 02:34:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and and and I take it as such

2795
02:34:58,000 --> 02:35:00,320
Speaker 1: like like this is my word like and not just

2796
02:35:00,400 --> 02:35:03,840
Speaker 1: sound like that, but I think every m C needs

2797
02:35:04,000 --> 02:35:07,080
Speaker 1: this in them like you can't. You can't. It's not

2798
02:35:07,200 --> 02:35:10,560
Speaker 1: a record that I've ever been on with other MCS

2799
02:35:10,640 --> 02:35:14,960
Speaker 1: that that I'm not dominant on it, at least to

2800
02:35:15,040 --> 02:35:18,680
Speaker 1: you in your opinion. Now it doesn't exist. That's worried

2801
02:35:18,760 --> 02:35:21,440
Speaker 1: like you telling you know, like Perry and if it does,

2802
02:35:21,600 --> 02:35:23,440
Speaker 1: point point it out like that there's not and not

2803
02:35:23,560 --> 02:35:27,360
Speaker 1: to say that I dominated it, but that I'm not dominant,

2804
02:35:27,800 --> 02:35:29,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I'm not saying that

2805
02:35:29,280 --> 02:35:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm the one, but on any record i'm one with

2806
02:35:34,080 --> 02:35:37,200
Speaker 1: other cats, I'm dominant. What I'm saying like like you'll

2807
02:35:37,240 --> 02:35:39,800
Speaker 1: look at me and you'll be like that, that's that's

2808
02:35:39,840 --> 02:35:43,600
Speaker 1: one of the standout versus on that record are none

2809
02:35:44,600 --> 02:35:47,199
Speaker 1: by no record that I'm on with other people. Earlier,

2810
02:35:47,320 --> 02:35:50,000
Speaker 1: I stopped you for a seconds. I think you said

2811
02:35:50,280 --> 02:35:52,800
Speaker 1: the ultimate versus that you would want to see, and

2812
02:35:53,160 --> 02:35:55,560
Speaker 1: who was that? Who the ultimate versus that you would

2813
02:35:55,600 --> 02:35:58,440
Speaker 1: want to see? Inside you? You you're batting anybody? You

2814
02:35:58,520 --> 02:36:10,280
Speaker 1: said native tone versus um death Row. And for the

2815
02:36:10,320 --> 02:36:14,720
Speaker 1: reason being the diversity that's missing, how about can I

2816
02:36:14,800 --> 02:36:19,560
Speaker 1: give him a better one? Still native tongue, ready, native

2817
02:36:19,720 --> 02:36:26,880
Speaker 1: tongue worst Dungeon family. That would be cool, But but

2818
02:36:27,080 --> 02:36:29,560
Speaker 1: that death Ro is really not here no more like

2819
02:36:30,160 --> 02:36:33,560
Speaker 1: shug everyone that everything deteriorated. They probably wouldn't come together

2820
02:36:33,600 --> 02:36:37,520
Speaker 1: as death Ro. But the Dungeon family outcast, goody mab

2821
02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:42,320
Speaker 1: Who else am I missing? Um? Uh okay? Who else

2822
02:36:42,360 --> 02:36:46,120
Speaker 1: is done? Fans? Come on, sleepy Brown? Yeah that would

2823
02:36:46,120 --> 02:36:50,080
Speaker 1: that would be dope. Yeah, it would be dope. And

2824
02:36:51,120 --> 02:36:52,960
Speaker 1: would it would definitely be. And it's kind of like

2825
02:36:53,320 --> 02:36:56,080
Speaker 1: I feel like native tongue past the torch to the

2826
02:36:56,760 --> 02:36:59,440
Speaker 1: Dungeon family here, so because I feel like outcasts kind

2827
02:36:59,440 --> 02:37:02,440
Speaker 1: of like the new tribe, kind of like a different

2828
02:37:02,560 --> 02:37:06,080
Speaker 1: version of tribe. Yeah, you know what they they they

2829
02:37:07,320 --> 02:37:10,480
Speaker 1: they did something that I wish we had done, meaning

2830
02:37:10,520 --> 02:37:13,200
Speaker 1: that I wish we had been a microcosm of the

2831
02:37:13,280 --> 02:37:16,080
Speaker 1: records we made, Like we made these records about about

2832
02:37:16,120 --> 02:37:19,400
Speaker 1: about black empowerment. We made these records about unity, about

2833
02:37:19,440 --> 02:37:23,560
Speaker 1: pooling our resources, about education, about educating our seats, about

2834
02:37:23,600 --> 02:37:28,360
Speaker 1: being pre parents, about being a family unit, about staying

2835
02:37:28,480 --> 02:37:34,760
Speaker 1: together and moving the culture forward, and then we didn't

2836
02:37:35,840 --> 02:37:39,120
Speaker 1: set the example that we asked the people to do.

2837
02:37:40,560 --> 02:37:43,920
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be a native tongue tour in which

2838
02:37:44,120 --> 02:37:47,040
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be native tongue distribution. We're supposed to

2839
02:37:47,040 --> 02:37:49,160
Speaker 1: have the native tongue tour, supposed have native tongue water

2840
02:37:49,720 --> 02:37:52,960
Speaker 1: some motherfucking to the sea covers to like it's it's

2841
02:37:52,959 --> 02:37:56,959
Speaker 1: supposed to be something so prolific native tongue. It's supposed

2842
02:37:57,000 --> 02:38:00,440
Speaker 1: to be something so it's not too late. But I've

2843
02:38:00,480 --> 02:38:02,840
Speaker 1: been saying this for a long time and the parties

2844
02:38:02,959 --> 02:38:06,440
Speaker 1: that that need to step up need to step up, man,

2845
02:38:06,560 --> 02:38:08,600
Speaker 1: like you know, like it is what it is, but

2846
02:38:08,800 --> 02:38:13,640
Speaker 1: ultimately like it's like yo, like well not like it

2847
02:38:14,080 --> 02:38:16,120
Speaker 1: like yeah, I mean, you know some of us all

2848
02:38:16,280 --> 02:38:18,280
Speaker 1: and some of us you know, need to get with it,

2849
02:38:18,560 --> 02:38:22,160
Speaker 1: but nonetheless like it's like yo, Like we made records

2850
02:38:22,240 --> 02:38:25,640
Speaker 1: about exactly what we're talking about, and the Dungeon family

2851
02:38:25,760 --> 02:38:28,920
Speaker 1: kind of has kind of step like like they did

2852
02:38:28,959 --> 02:38:32,280
Speaker 1: what they're supposed to. They got on their position themselves,

2853
02:38:32,360 --> 02:38:34,720
Speaker 1: on our shoulders and took it a lower higher. That's

2854
02:38:34,760 --> 02:38:36,760
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do. That's what we're all supposed

2855
02:38:36,800 --> 02:38:39,320
Speaker 1: to do with right, no doubt. And you know so

2856
02:38:39,520 --> 02:38:42,959
Speaker 1: for that aspect, I think it's dope. It's a celebration

2857
02:38:43,480 --> 02:38:47,080
Speaker 1: of of our community. I think it's dope on on

2858
02:38:47,160 --> 02:38:49,800
Speaker 1: the versus. But the reason I want to versus with

2859
02:38:50,200 --> 02:38:54,680
Speaker 1: with something so in contrast, it's because it's versus, you

2860
02:38:54,720 --> 02:38:58,880
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And to say this that like

2861
02:38:59,720 --> 02:39:02,080
Speaker 1: has it's a little bit like the two part that

2862
02:39:02,520 --> 02:39:04,240
Speaker 1: that I just spoke to a little earlier. I'm not

2863
02:39:04,360 --> 02:39:07,879
Speaker 1: trying to take away from them, but cats it brought

2864
02:39:08,040 --> 02:39:18,480
Speaker 1: into an analysis are air quotes definitely a reality that

2865
02:39:18,760 --> 02:39:24,720
Speaker 1: could never be reality, and and literally to the degree

2866
02:39:24,800 --> 02:39:30,440
Speaker 1: that they were afraid of it, like right like like

2867
02:39:30,560 --> 02:39:35,360
Speaker 1: like like I'm a little disappointed in and how we've

2868
02:39:35,440 --> 02:39:40,280
Speaker 1: been moving as a community, like like like the gang

2869
02:39:40,360 --> 02:39:46,200
Speaker 1: culture and all that stuff, like like you know, like

2870
02:39:46,480 --> 02:39:49,880
Speaker 1: like like a lot of a lot of my thought process,

2871
02:39:49,879 --> 02:39:51,680
Speaker 1: I don't say a lot. And the reason I don't

2872
02:39:51,720 --> 02:39:55,160
Speaker 1: say a lot because my my answer to it is

2873
02:39:55,200 --> 02:39:57,800
Speaker 1: I'm a fucking grown up, you know what I'm saying, Like,

2874
02:39:58,959 --> 02:40:04,080
Speaker 1: if you forty plus, it's time for you to be

2875
02:40:04,160 --> 02:40:10,560
Speaker 1: an example of something other than up than other than

2876
02:40:12,200 --> 02:40:15,280
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And and if you didn't

2877
02:40:15,360 --> 02:40:21,840
Speaker 1: grow up in something, don't go seeking something, you know

2878
02:40:21,879 --> 02:40:25,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like like like like be strong enough

2879
02:40:25,440 --> 02:40:31,320
Speaker 1: to lead everyone everyone, you know what I'm saying, and

2880
02:40:32,560 --> 02:40:36,000
Speaker 1: and and and I'm gonna say something else And I

2881
02:40:36,080 --> 02:40:40,080
Speaker 1: don't know what it's worth because it's a question. Yo,

2882
02:40:40,600 --> 02:40:45,840
Speaker 1: what's going on in Chicago is crazy and what's even

2883
02:40:46,120 --> 02:40:49,720
Speaker 1: crazier to me? And like I said, this is not

2884
02:40:49,840 --> 02:40:55,760
Speaker 1: a shot. This is something I've sincerely wonder, Like is

2885
02:40:55,840 --> 02:41:00,480
Speaker 1: that the home of farrakot h is at the home

2886
02:41:00,760 --> 02:41:09,119
Speaker 1: of the nation. That's where I'm asking because in my opinion,

2887
02:41:09,480 --> 02:41:12,800
Speaker 1: the two are co related. And I'm not seeing the

2888
02:41:12,879 --> 02:41:17,040
Speaker 1: co relation. And I say that to say that I'm

2889
02:41:17,560 --> 02:41:21,720
Speaker 1: just as accountable for what's going on here, like like

2890
02:41:21,840 --> 02:41:25,120
Speaker 1: we gotta step up in front of cats. We gotta

2891
02:41:25,200 --> 02:41:32,000
Speaker 1: start being willing to stand for something, you know what

2892
02:41:32,040 --> 02:41:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like like if if the person you respect

2893
02:41:35,240 --> 02:41:41,040
Speaker 1: you respect because of their salary and you're fucking idiot.

2894
02:41:42,480 --> 02:41:44,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And somebody needs to be

2895
02:41:44,240 --> 02:41:46,040
Speaker 1: telling you that. And if ain't nobody telling you that,

2896
02:41:47,120 --> 02:41:50,600
Speaker 1: allow me for real, like yo, like we need to

2897
02:41:50,800 --> 02:41:53,879
Speaker 1: stop some of the stuff that we're doing, myself included,

2898
02:41:54,920 --> 02:41:57,280
Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to be a better person, a better father,

2899
02:41:57,760 --> 02:42:01,240
Speaker 1: a better all the above, and they don't come where

2900
02:42:01,280 --> 02:42:04,240
Speaker 1: we're from. It don't come easy. I was forty years

2901
02:42:04,240 --> 02:42:06,640
Speaker 1: old when I found out what a nuclear family man.

2902
02:42:08,000 --> 02:42:09,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like I didn't even know

2903
02:42:09,080 --> 02:42:11,720
Speaker 1: what it meant he was saying. And I'm not a

2904
02:42:11,840 --> 02:42:15,400
Speaker 1: stupid person, but I was forty years oldhen I found

2905
02:42:15,400 --> 02:42:18,080
Speaker 1: with a nuclear family man. The most important thing in

2906
02:42:18,160 --> 02:42:22,560
Speaker 1: our community is our families, and they've broken that down,

2907
02:42:23,160 --> 02:42:25,400
Speaker 1: They've taken out away from us. That's what we need

2908
02:42:25,440 --> 02:42:27,879
Speaker 1: to be fighting for. We don't need to be fighting

2909
02:42:27,959 --> 02:42:32,000
Speaker 1: for nothing else, but our families and the broken ones

2910
02:42:32,200 --> 02:42:36,440
Speaker 1: need to be fighting to fix themselves, like it's worth it.

2911
02:42:36,440 --> 02:42:41,400
Speaker 1: It's us as a father today, I make sacrifices that

2912
02:42:41,520 --> 02:42:44,920
Speaker 1: I wish my fault had made for me that I wish.

2913
02:42:45,200 --> 02:42:47,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And that's not a shot

2914
02:42:47,160 --> 02:42:51,000
Speaker 1: in him. He's a result of what all, All of

2915
02:42:51,160 --> 02:42:53,960
Speaker 1: all our fathers are results of you know what I'm saying,

2916
02:42:54,400 --> 02:42:57,320
Speaker 1: playing their hands that they got dope. But at the

2917
02:42:57,440 --> 02:43:00,480
Speaker 1: end of the day, as I've been playing my hand,

2918
02:43:02,480 --> 02:43:06,240
Speaker 1: I've learned that there was some sacrifices that was worth taking.

2919
02:43:07,280 --> 02:43:10,200
Speaker 1: There was some ship that was worth not doing or

2920
02:43:10,280 --> 02:43:14,800
Speaker 1: not being to just stay put or if you know better,

2921
02:43:14,879 --> 02:43:18,720
Speaker 1: act better. Period. Yo, Sometimes you don't know better, but

2922
02:43:18,840 --> 02:43:22,440
Speaker 1: some people know better and don't act better. But sometimes

2923
02:43:22,520 --> 02:43:24,920
Speaker 1: you don't know better, but you know right from wrong,

2924
02:43:25,240 --> 02:43:27,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like like, I didn't always

2925
02:43:27,160 --> 02:43:31,760
Speaker 1: have a moral compass. That's why I missed Fife. Fife

2926
02:43:31,800 --> 02:43:34,920
Speaker 1: had a moral compass. Fife made me better by just

2927
02:43:35,080 --> 02:43:37,880
Speaker 1: being around him. Fife is a kind of cap. If

2928
02:43:37,920 --> 02:43:43,800
Speaker 1: we all jumped the turnstyle, Fife wouldn't jump it. And

2929
02:43:44,440 --> 02:43:46,680
Speaker 1: I was stupid enough to think that the first time

2930
02:43:46,720 --> 02:43:49,120
Speaker 1: it happened that he was scared. But that was me

2931
02:43:49,240 --> 02:43:52,879
Speaker 1: being stupid. He just had a moral compass. Some people

2932
02:43:52,959 --> 02:43:56,160
Speaker 1: do the right thing when nobody's looking. That was Fife,

2933
02:43:56,720 --> 02:43:59,039
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, But that ship don't really exists.

2934
02:43:59,160 --> 02:44:03,600
Speaker 1: You know, when you're young and you rambunctious and you're

2935
02:44:03,640 --> 02:44:06,560
Speaker 1: willing to roll the dice, you know what I'm saying.

2936
02:44:06,680 --> 02:44:09,040
Speaker 1: So you roll the dice every chance you get. You

2937
02:44:09,120 --> 02:44:12,080
Speaker 1: look forward to getting the dice, what I'm saying. And

2938
02:44:12,280 --> 02:44:14,520
Speaker 1: so like as you get older and you start seeing

2939
02:44:14,600 --> 02:44:16,800
Speaker 1: cats that got a little bit of fiber to them,

2940
02:44:17,160 --> 02:44:21,160
Speaker 1: that stands for something, you know what I'm saying, that

2941
02:44:21,480 --> 02:44:25,360
Speaker 1: that are loyal to a fault because that's who they are,

2942
02:44:26,000 --> 02:44:27,840
Speaker 1: you know, like that means something to you and and

2943
02:44:28,160 --> 02:44:31,840
Speaker 1: it means something in life, you know. And I'm talking

2944
02:44:31,879 --> 02:44:33,520
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, like I said, you know, but

2945
02:44:33,680 --> 02:44:36,120
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, actually one question, right,

2946
02:44:36,240 --> 02:44:39,760
Speaker 1: because why did you guys name the group black sheep?

2947
02:44:40,959 --> 02:44:45,080
Speaker 1: You know? Question because you know, I forget we bring

2948
02:44:45,160 --> 02:44:46,960
Speaker 1: up a fight. I think fight said this lot's like

2949
02:44:47,320 --> 02:44:50,200
Speaker 1: bad guys were black bag cats is bad luck, bad

2950
02:44:50,360 --> 02:44:54,879
Speaker 1: black magic. Then you name it black sheep, and black

2951
02:44:54,920 --> 02:44:57,320
Speaker 1: sheep is the one that stands out right, the one

2952
02:44:57,400 --> 02:44:59,360
Speaker 1: third base third very say, okay, okay, that was a

2953
02:44:59,440 --> 02:45:02,880
Speaker 1: white guy. I don't know what the search was the

2954
02:45:02,920 --> 02:45:09,959
Speaker 1: other one like, okay it was it was I don't know. Yeah, okay, um,

2955
02:45:10,240 --> 02:45:12,400
Speaker 1: what were you the black sheep of We thought of

2956
02:45:12,480 --> 02:45:16,120
Speaker 1: that the natives like like like when we when we

2957
02:45:16,200 --> 02:45:17,720
Speaker 1: did the demo, like like you know what I'm saying,

2958
02:45:17,879 --> 02:45:21,080
Speaker 1: like like like we realized the power of the click

2959
02:45:21,160 --> 02:45:23,160
Speaker 1: we was in, Like like this is my word, man,

2960
02:45:23,560 --> 02:45:26,320
Speaker 1: those cats are so powerful. I know, this is my word.

2961
02:45:26,440 --> 02:45:28,800
Speaker 1: Like I couldn't have better big brothers, right, like like

2962
02:45:29,400 --> 02:45:33,840
Speaker 1: I've learned so much artistically from them, just to say, so,

2963
02:45:34,200 --> 02:45:36,240
Speaker 1: we're coming out with an album, we're doing, we're working

2964
02:45:36,280 --> 02:45:39,840
Speaker 1: on music. We're in this click, like like these are

2965
02:45:39,959 --> 02:45:43,200
Speaker 1: some dope cats. We have to find a way to

2966
02:45:43,720 --> 02:45:46,760
Speaker 1: like we're doing the same process. We all produced, producing

2967
02:45:46,760 --> 02:45:49,080
Speaker 1: the same kind of way, but we have to find

2968
02:45:49,120 --> 02:45:52,600
Speaker 1: a way to be as dope as them, but not

2969
02:45:53,480 --> 02:45:55,880
Speaker 1: sound like them, you know what I'm saying, Like like

2970
02:45:56,000 --> 02:45:57,720
Speaker 1: you know, like like and so at the end of

2971
02:45:57,760 --> 02:45:59,320
Speaker 1: the day, like you know, like if you looked at

2972
02:45:59,720 --> 02:46:02,400
Speaker 1: and this just was just being true to what we saw.

2973
02:46:03,000 --> 02:46:05,640
Speaker 1: You looked at daylight. Daylight was kind of hippy is

2974
02:46:05,760 --> 02:46:07,400
Speaker 1: and even though you know when I didn't want you

2975
02:46:07,440 --> 02:46:08,960
Speaker 1: to call them hippy, but you know they're kind of

2976
02:46:09,000 --> 02:46:11,800
Speaker 1: really free flowing. Trial was kind of the same, you

2977
02:46:11,840 --> 02:46:14,200
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, a little bit more kenty cloth cloth,

2978
02:46:14,600 --> 02:46:15,960
Speaker 1: but you know, at the same time all of that,

2979
02:46:16,080 --> 02:46:20,200
Speaker 1: all of that, you know, jungle was much more fatigues

2980
02:46:20,320 --> 02:46:23,520
Speaker 1: and even before there was been fashioned you know what

2981
02:46:23,520 --> 02:46:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like they definitely was you know, heavy, heavy

2982
02:46:26,200 --> 02:46:30,120
Speaker 1: on on the fatigues and whatnot. So you know, at

2983
02:46:30,160 --> 02:46:33,680
Speaker 1: the time this is my word like I like before

2984
02:46:33,959 --> 02:46:36,080
Speaker 1: I sold it like I had jewelry, and you know,

2985
02:46:36,240 --> 02:46:40,360
Speaker 1: like um, you know, fucking little Gumby and curly and

2986
02:46:40,440 --> 02:46:41,800
Speaker 1: all of this ship. You know what I'm saying. And

2987
02:46:42,480 --> 02:46:46,920
Speaker 1: you know I'm much more of a you see, uh,

2988
02:46:47,280 --> 02:46:54,040
Speaker 1: more of a current street. Not to say hard, but

2989
02:46:55,400 --> 02:47:01,760
Speaker 1: to say the click I came up with in New York.

2990
02:47:02,800 --> 02:47:05,400
Speaker 1: All all goal was to be able to fit in

2991
02:47:05,959 --> 02:47:09,200
Speaker 1: Lord Cast, Big Show, the Lord Sea Shot. Um, you

2992
02:47:09,280 --> 02:47:11,120
Speaker 1: know saying shortly black. You know what I'm saying, Um,

2993
02:47:11,280 --> 02:47:13,199
Speaker 1: Steve v O God bless you know what I'm saying.

2994
02:47:13,400 --> 02:47:18,560
Speaker 1: Ross you know, Um Jr pop Yo. Just to say,

2995
02:47:19,080 --> 02:47:22,320
Speaker 1: all of the cats I just said, we all dressed

2996
02:47:22,400 --> 02:47:25,400
Speaker 1: to get in. Now when I say to get in,

2997
02:47:26,320 --> 02:47:31,520
Speaker 1: it didn't matter what the function was. But I know what, Carl,

2998
02:47:31,560 --> 02:47:34,160
Speaker 1: can I offer me? I wasn't getting in there, you

2999
02:47:34,200 --> 02:47:36,280
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. If you noticed me throughout my

3000
02:47:36,440 --> 02:47:41,039
Speaker 1: entire career, I was dressed to attend. It didn't matter

3001
02:47:41,120 --> 02:47:44,760
Speaker 1: what it was. I was good. You know what I'm saying.

3002
02:47:45,040 --> 02:47:47,560
Speaker 1: And that's the click I came from. We was we

3003
02:47:47,680 --> 02:47:50,680
Speaker 1: was getting in that room. You know what I'm saying, Oh,

3004
02:47:50,760 --> 02:47:52,560
Speaker 1: that's how you gotta get that looked again, that roope,

3005
02:47:52,840 --> 02:47:55,720
Speaker 1: and that's from the door. That's where I came from.

3006
02:47:56,320 --> 02:48:00,880
Speaker 1: I never made I never put clothes and rhymes. That's

3007
02:48:00,920 --> 02:48:03,560
Speaker 1: just my giving, you know what I'm saying, like like

3008
02:48:03,720 --> 02:48:05,440
Speaker 1: like I ain't got to talk about that. You're gonna

3009
02:48:05,480 --> 02:48:08,320
Speaker 1: see that. That's my giving. I ain't got That's a

3010
02:48:08,400 --> 02:48:10,640
Speaker 1: waste of words for me, you know what I'm saying,

3011
02:48:10,680 --> 02:48:12,920
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna see that. You're saying that like that's

3012
02:48:12,959 --> 02:48:16,240
Speaker 1: just what it's like. It's like a cat that a line.

3013
02:48:16,240 --> 02:48:17,640
Speaker 1: Ain't gonna scott and tell you it was a line.

3014
02:48:17,680 --> 02:48:19,600
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying, they're gonta smack the shift. He

3015
02:48:19,840 --> 02:48:21,600
Speaker 1: normally don't have to tell you. You can really look

3016
02:48:21,640 --> 02:48:25,240
Speaker 1: at you like nigger, you know, Oh my bad saying

3017
02:48:25,320 --> 02:48:27,360
Speaker 1: like he gotta say you sha, you know what it

3018
02:48:27,480 --> 02:48:32,400
Speaker 1: is you're saying like you know, So that's where I'm from.

3019
02:48:33,360 --> 02:48:39,320
Speaker 1: Um again Kanye stopped, but just saying, but just say

3020
02:48:39,640 --> 02:48:42,040
Speaker 1: like yo, like you know, like I come from some

3021
02:48:42,160 --> 02:48:47,320
Speaker 1: real stuff where you know, like honestly I couldn't tell

3022
02:48:47,360 --> 02:48:50,240
Speaker 1: my story. You saw Kanye Porto Sagua, Right, That's what

3023
02:48:50,320 --> 02:48:56,360
Speaker 1: I'm here, restaurant. Continue that's cool. No, no, no, And

3024
02:48:56,600 --> 02:48:59,400
Speaker 1: not because because I actually wrote him said I actually

3025
02:48:59,400 --> 02:49:04,080
Speaker 1: say yo what he said. Yeah, but he said, ain't

3026
02:49:04,120 --> 02:49:06,360
Speaker 1: gonna tell you what you're wearing. Because because because it

3027
02:49:06,400 --> 02:49:09,800
Speaker 1: will make much to sound even more grounded, we just

3028
02:49:09,959 --> 02:49:15,680
Speaker 1: say just say like yo, like man, as time is

3029
02:49:15,720 --> 02:49:18,840
Speaker 1: going on, man, like you know, we all just trying

3030
02:49:18,879 --> 02:49:23,040
Speaker 1: to figure it out still, God damn it. Let's make

3031
02:49:23,080 --> 02:49:25,119
Speaker 1: some lloyds for your card. Yea panther glasses you think

3032
02:49:25,360 --> 02:49:30,400
Speaker 1: you seeing those? Those are? Let me give roses getting Yeah,

3033
02:49:30,720 --> 02:49:35,080
Speaker 1: totally forgot, yo. Where's the roses that gud boards or

3034
02:49:35,160 --> 02:49:38,120
Speaker 1: somebody que would have had the regular size roses for you?

3035
02:49:38,560 --> 02:49:40,200
Speaker 1: They told us to the last minute he was coming

3036
02:49:40,240 --> 02:49:42,520
Speaker 1: to it today. It was very bad communicated Vinny, not

3037
02:49:42,680 --> 02:49:45,240
Speaker 1: not them. Vinney was bad back. But we want to

3038
02:49:45,280 --> 02:49:49,080
Speaker 1: literally give you up roses, your flowers, and we got

3039
02:49:49,280 --> 02:49:51,720
Speaker 1: we got we got one for you too, cute, goddamnit.

3040
02:49:52,160 --> 02:49:53,600
Speaker 1: And if I could clean up a little bit too,

3041
02:49:53,720 --> 02:49:56,600
Speaker 1: man like like the car cannas and the food bulls

3042
02:49:56,720 --> 02:50:00,360
Speaker 1: and you know all that, like yo, put sorry, sorry,

3043
02:50:00,400 --> 02:50:05,880
Speaker 1: we just wet. Yeah, you know and l he you

3044
02:50:05,959 --> 02:50:16,440
Speaker 1: know he alumni. Right, this is amazing. I appreciate Let

3045
02:50:16,560 --> 02:50:23,000
Speaker 1: this think very much. This is appreciate it. Shout out

3046
02:50:23,680 --> 02:50:26,960
Speaker 1: shout to organic food King and with the flowers an

3047
02:50:27,040 --> 02:50:29,800
Speaker 1: organic food. Let me ask you this one more because um,

3048
02:50:30,680 --> 02:50:35,040
Speaker 1: they are so recently finally negotiated getting their masters back.

3049
02:50:36,000 --> 02:50:37,920
Speaker 1: Is that a journey that you're on. Is that something

3050
02:50:37,920 --> 02:50:42,200
Speaker 1: that you're gonna pursue? Um? Yeah, like like definitely. Um.

3051
02:50:42,360 --> 02:50:44,120
Speaker 1: One of the things that I definitely want to drop

3052
02:50:44,160 --> 02:50:47,920
Speaker 1: a jewel or two for cats, especially for the older artists. Um.

3053
02:50:48,640 --> 02:50:50,560
Speaker 1: One of the things that I've been able to learn

3054
02:50:50,959 --> 02:50:54,480
Speaker 1: is um that you know, like we've got especially if

3055
02:50:54,520 --> 02:50:57,080
Speaker 1: you have a contract from the nineties, you have a

3056
02:50:57,200 --> 02:51:01,560
Speaker 1: window at thirty years, you know. And Carmon told something

3057
02:51:01,560 --> 02:51:03,520
Speaker 1: about that, right, Yeah, that was a different, a different thing.

3058
02:51:03,640 --> 02:51:06,480
Speaker 1: Cameron said, after ten years, you can recreate your thing.

3059
02:51:06,600 --> 02:51:10,160
Speaker 1: This is something different, same, same category. Different, But yeah,

3060
02:51:11,480 --> 02:51:13,760
Speaker 1: I hope that's the case that that's f live, that is.

3061
02:51:13,879 --> 02:51:17,879
Speaker 1: But I hadn't necessarily heard that particularly thing, and I'm

3062
02:51:17,959 --> 02:51:20,760
Speaker 1: kind of like really jumping in it. But cam is

3063
02:51:20,920 --> 02:51:23,720
Speaker 1: definitely shop. I wouldn't put it past that situation existing.

3064
02:51:23,959 --> 02:51:27,600
Speaker 1: But what I know if it exists is at thirty years. Um,

3065
02:51:28,400 --> 02:51:33,000
Speaker 1: there's a window where um, as long as this addressed

3066
02:51:33,760 --> 02:51:38,440
Speaker 1: in in writing at thirty five years, between thirty two

3067
02:51:38,480 --> 02:51:42,800
Speaker 1: and thirty five years, but um, everything can be reverse

3068
02:51:43,080 --> 02:51:46,080
Speaker 1: reverse if it's not. If the paperwork's not done and

3069
02:51:46,200 --> 02:51:48,680
Speaker 1: not put in, it just rolls over, you know what

3070
02:51:48,720 --> 02:51:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And a lot of times once that's happened,

3071
02:51:52,240 --> 02:51:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, that's where you know, it's that's the lifetime

3072
02:51:55,120 --> 02:51:57,880
Speaker 1: of that artist. So you know, like who would know

3073
02:51:58,000 --> 02:52:00,520
Speaker 1: those terms? Though? That's the crazy of the things that

3074
02:52:00,600 --> 02:52:03,119
Speaker 1: we that we find out as we move forward. These

3075
02:52:03,320 --> 02:52:05,120
Speaker 1: these are things that are kind of common knowledge that

3076
02:52:05,200 --> 02:52:07,360
Speaker 1: they just don't share with you. Well, it's not common

3077
02:52:07,440 --> 02:52:10,800
Speaker 1: because it's not being shared at all. It's yeah, yeah,

3078
02:52:11,760 --> 02:52:14,760
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, But in their community, you know what

3079
02:52:14,800 --> 02:52:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying, In the community that's taken you know what

3080
02:52:17,680 --> 02:52:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Trust me, it's common amongst thieves. You know

3081
02:52:24,800 --> 02:52:30,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and yeah, you know, they know, and

3082
02:52:30,720 --> 02:52:32,800
Speaker 1: they know not to tell. They don't not to tell,

3083
02:52:33,000 --> 02:52:34,320
Speaker 1: like you know, once you found that the first time

3084
02:52:34,320 --> 02:52:36,360
Speaker 1: you found out what points really was, you know what

3085
02:52:36,360 --> 02:52:38,039
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like you know, like, oh, you've got eight

3086
02:52:38,160 --> 02:52:40,720
Speaker 1: nine points, ten points. They don't tell you that that's

3087
02:52:40,920 --> 02:52:47,400
Speaker 1: percentage eight percentage. That means it's nine that exists. That's

3088
02:52:47,440 --> 02:52:53,920
Speaker 1: not yours, right and and golf a big you're splitting

3089
02:52:53,959 --> 02:52:58,279
Speaker 1: it or it's more than two y'alls, but there's ninetent

3090
02:52:58,800 --> 02:53:02,160
Speaker 1: out there. It exists. Since so when I say they

3091
02:53:02,280 --> 02:53:06,280
Speaker 1: made their money back, first check you, I'm saying like

3092
02:53:06,400 --> 02:53:09,000
Speaker 1: like like it's free, like like like you know, like

3093
02:53:10,040 --> 02:53:13,560
Speaker 1: I should be a multi millionaire if they just gave

3094
02:53:13,600 --> 02:53:17,280
Speaker 1: me half, you know, say the game, right, but yeah, right, right,

3095
02:53:17,360 --> 02:53:18,920
Speaker 1: but but that's not what they do. But you know,

3096
02:53:19,040 --> 02:53:21,080
Speaker 1: but like at the end of the day, you should

3097
02:53:21,120 --> 02:53:23,600
Speaker 1: look into it because well, now I'm already I'm already

3098
02:53:23,600 --> 02:53:26,720
Speaker 1: signed already in I'm speaking when I know not yeah,

3099
02:53:26,879 --> 02:53:29,680
Speaker 1: like I'm already situated to get my ship back, and

3100
02:53:29,800 --> 02:53:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying not easier when I started my I'm starting

3101
02:53:32,480 --> 02:53:34,600
Speaker 1: my journey when I'm going to continuing my journey. It

3102
02:53:34,720 --> 02:53:37,240
Speaker 1: was a lot easier than what I thought. It was

3103
02:53:37,240 --> 02:53:38,920
Speaker 1: a lot easier than when I tried back in the

3104
02:53:39,040 --> 02:53:41,240
Speaker 1: days because a lot of them giving up their rights

3105
02:53:41,280 --> 02:53:44,120
Speaker 1: to people that we actually signed to signed solder to

3106
02:53:44,240 --> 02:53:46,600
Speaker 1: someone else and they gave away they write too. So

3107
02:53:47,520 --> 02:53:50,640
Speaker 1: so it's like it's like so, but Dayli Daylie was

3108
02:53:50,640 --> 02:53:52,560
Speaker 1: a little different because they knew who it was. They

3109
02:53:52,640 --> 02:53:56,720
Speaker 1: knew Thompson. Mean you know what I'm saying, And I'm

3110
02:53:56,840 --> 02:54:00,920
Speaker 1: so happy, Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course that was. That

3111
02:54:01,000 --> 02:54:04,360
Speaker 1: was and it's funked up, especially because day Line is

3112
02:54:04,440 --> 02:54:08,960
Speaker 1: like like like one of the foundation bricks of the

3113
02:54:09,080 --> 02:54:11,400
Speaker 1: fucking label. Like you know, it says so much to

3114
02:54:12,000 --> 02:54:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, to the people that how you treat your

3115
02:54:15,160 --> 02:54:18,920
Speaker 1: your your home team says everything. You know what I'm saying,

3116
02:54:18,959 --> 02:54:22,360
Speaker 1: like says everything, like like they that that company. Literally

3117
02:54:24,440 --> 02:54:26,560
Speaker 1: Tom still we've been giving back all the groups they

3118
02:54:26,720 --> 02:54:31,400
Speaker 1: masters working out, working part of it, a part of that.

3119
02:54:31,560 --> 02:54:34,280
Speaker 1: But we're not taken about nature, you know that. But

3120
02:54:34,320 --> 02:54:36,920
Speaker 1: then you know that Tom didn't do the ship, No

3121
02:54:37,080 --> 02:54:42,440
Speaker 1: it's him, because no, no, no Tom, Tom sold it

3122
02:54:43,040 --> 02:54:44,160
Speaker 1: and then he brought it back up. This is what

3123
02:54:44,200 --> 02:54:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's why I say he did do it back.

3124
02:54:46,760 --> 02:54:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm something about yeah, yeah, he bought it back for

3125
02:54:52,480 --> 02:54:55,120
Speaker 1: my now right now, he brought it back from him

3126
02:54:55,160 --> 02:54:57,840
Speaker 1: right now, I'm talking about for them to negotiate like whatever,

3127
02:54:57,959 --> 02:55:00,320
Speaker 1: he put his label on the market, whatever it did.

3128
02:55:01,000 --> 02:55:04,320
Speaker 1: Then he went back and bought certain albums like individually,

3129
02:55:04,520 --> 02:55:07,360
Speaker 1: and that's how Dayloight got caught up. Yeah that's a fact,

3130
02:55:07,480 --> 02:55:11,040
Speaker 1: trust me. I mean it. Trust I don't know. But

3131
02:55:11,120 --> 02:55:13,600
Speaker 1: as far as now though, like he just sold everything,

3132
02:55:13,879 --> 02:55:16,840
Speaker 1: and like he didn't let them off when he sold it,

3133
02:55:17,080 --> 02:55:20,160
Speaker 1: when he sold everything when he sold it to let

3134
02:55:20,240 --> 02:55:24,160
Speaker 1: them off, I believe. So yeah, yeah, yeah, I know

3135
02:55:24,200 --> 02:55:26,000
Speaker 1: what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying.

3136
02:55:26,000 --> 02:55:27,960
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is that was the second time.

3137
02:55:28,240 --> 02:55:31,280
Speaker 1: This is one time he sold it and then whatever

3138
02:55:31,600 --> 02:55:34,400
Speaker 1: ver and then came back. And that's the screpancy where

3139
02:55:34,400 --> 02:55:36,680
Speaker 1: they came here is because he had brought it back

3140
02:55:37,600 --> 02:55:40,080
Speaker 1: and we got into it and then I guess you're

3141
02:55:40,080 --> 02:55:41,560
Speaker 1: playing dirty, like he said, so he was waiting for

3142
02:55:41,600 --> 02:55:43,400
Speaker 1: a minute, so you just put me on the stuff.

3143
02:55:43,400 --> 02:55:45,760
Speaker 1: Hold on, So you're saying that when Daylock got their

3144
02:55:45,800 --> 02:55:48,039
Speaker 1: masses back they didn't negotiate with Tom. This is someone

3145
02:55:48,120 --> 02:55:51,520
Speaker 1: else didn't negotiate it with. Holy that's great information. That's

3146
02:55:51,520 --> 02:55:55,360
Speaker 1: great information. Holy shit, Holy, Because if y'all under the

3147
02:55:55,400 --> 02:55:58,640
Speaker 1: same unbrella yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

3148
02:55:59,360 --> 02:56:01,240
Speaker 1: definitely on this. I didn't know that. Yeah yeah, well

3149
02:56:01,240 --> 02:56:02,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know that though I thought it was what

3150
02:56:03,400 --> 02:56:06,040
Speaker 1: that's that's a that's great information. Thank you, Thank you

3151
02:56:06,120 --> 02:56:10,560
Speaker 1: guys here. So listen, man, you're cute. You gotta you

3152
02:56:10,600 --> 02:56:12,760
Speaker 1: gotta take a shot. Man, you gotta take a shot.

3153
02:56:13,520 --> 02:56:15,920
Speaker 1: You gotta take a shot. Goddamn. And then we're going

3154
02:56:16,600 --> 02:56:19,000
Speaker 1: what you got going on? Cute? What what's the new?

3155
02:56:20,600 --> 02:56:23,960
Speaker 1: Still doing things? What's the leading man? We uh we

3156
02:56:24,040 --> 02:56:27,200
Speaker 1: got we got some projects getting ready to drop, working

3157
02:56:27,240 --> 02:56:30,680
Speaker 1: on the album right now. And then I'm doing a

3158
02:56:30,720 --> 02:56:35,720
Speaker 1: project of show base and uh yeah, you know, working

3159
02:56:35,800 --> 02:56:37,800
Speaker 1: with my family. Me and she just banged out a

3160
02:56:37,920 --> 02:56:42,360
Speaker 1: joint fire and uh course you know that. So yeah, yeah,

3161
02:56:42,360 --> 02:56:45,840
Speaker 1: what your coups think? Come on, Y'allalute to y'all, bro,

3162
02:56:46,480 --> 02:56:54,160
Speaker 1: what's a little to y'all? Salute? Yeah, salute, salute. I

3163
02:56:54,240 --> 02:57:00,760
Speaker 1: like that. Nory. I don't smoke, but I smoked. I

3164
02:57:00,840 --> 02:57:04,240
Speaker 1: hit the smoke. Yeah, trust me, people smoke, they go

3165
02:57:04,280 --> 02:57:07,280
Speaker 1: a little crazy. They're going a little for a couple

3166
02:57:07,320 --> 02:57:10,000
Speaker 1: of people. Man, So what you got going on cheek?

3167
02:57:10,160 --> 02:57:14,760
Speaker 1: You know we we smoked, you know, daily all day

3168
02:57:14,800 --> 02:57:19,880
Speaker 1: with it. But she went to smoke already got you?

3169
02:57:20,400 --> 02:57:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah you're good. Yeah, yeah, come on to your family.

3170
02:57:25,120 --> 02:57:27,560
Speaker 1: I got my book, Another kind of Freedom. She'll b

3171
02:57:27,720 --> 02:57:31,280
Speaker 1: x dot com on Amazon. You feel safer with that? Why?

3172
02:57:31,320 --> 02:57:34,000
Speaker 1: I also got a documentary that AMC just picked up.

3173
02:57:34,520 --> 02:57:37,560
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be dropping regulations launch April at the

3174
02:57:37,640 --> 02:57:43,520
Speaker 1: top of first quarter, and I'm doing the score documented

3175
02:57:43,560 --> 02:57:49,200
Speaker 1: me about your whole life. Yeah, the gall from but

3176
02:57:49,920 --> 02:57:55,040
Speaker 1: it's already done. Just picked it up. So it was

3177
02:57:55,160 --> 02:57:57,920
Speaker 1: it was a lot of um, there was a lot

3178
02:57:57,959 --> 02:58:00,280
Speaker 1: of handicapping us with the license and a lot of

3179
02:58:00,320 --> 02:58:03,720
Speaker 1: the music the documentary, but you know, I guess they

3180
02:58:03,800 --> 02:58:07,360
Speaker 1: got it ironed out and so early next quarter the book.

3181
02:58:07,720 --> 02:58:14,880
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, come and dress. What's what's going on

3182
02:58:15,000 --> 02:58:17,920
Speaker 1: for you? I got some really, some really amazing stuff

3183
02:58:17,959 --> 02:58:20,680
Speaker 1: happening right now. Um, I have this really cool project

3184
02:58:21,360 --> 02:58:23,640
Speaker 1: that's under the Monica D and D. D and D

3185
02:58:23,959 --> 02:58:28,840
Speaker 1: stands for Dilla and Dress. I met j Diller. I

3186
02:58:28,920 --> 02:58:33,240
Speaker 1: met I met Diller's mom um pre COVID and I

3187
02:58:33,280 --> 02:58:36,000
Speaker 1: was doing a charity of Van Puerto Rico, and um,

3188
02:58:36,240 --> 02:58:37,840
Speaker 1: you know, she just so happened out of a house there.

3189
02:58:37,840 --> 02:58:40,480
Speaker 1: So I meet her and her husband and they invite

3190
02:58:40,480 --> 02:58:42,600
Speaker 1: me back to the house that got some DJ. She's cooking,

3191
02:58:42,840 --> 02:58:44,920
Speaker 1: she's telling me all about her son out of her mouth.

3192
02:58:45,160 --> 02:58:47,440
Speaker 1: Just blowing my mind, you know, because I was kind

3193
02:58:47,480 --> 02:58:50,560
Speaker 1: of the one native that really didn't have the religion. Yeah,

3194
02:58:50,800 --> 02:58:52,199
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of just made him in passing.

3195
02:58:52,200 --> 02:58:54,000
Speaker 1: I didn't really know him like that, so so it

3196
02:58:54,120 --> 02:58:56,640
Speaker 1: was kind of yeah, it was kind of awesome, you know,

3197
02:58:56,920 --> 02:58:59,320
Speaker 1: to be getting this. And at the end of the night,

3198
02:59:00,520 --> 02:59:03,240
Speaker 1: her husband and herself or my dukes, offered me the

3199
02:59:03,320 --> 02:59:06,160
Speaker 1: opportunity they had just gotten back a lot of his

3200
02:59:06,560 --> 02:59:10,119
Speaker 1: music under the estate, under the catalog, under the umbrella

3201
02:59:10,120 --> 02:59:12,200
Speaker 1: of the estate, they helpered me an opportunity to go

3202
02:59:12,360 --> 02:59:15,600
Speaker 1: through all of this personal stuff and create a project.

3203
02:59:16,600 --> 02:59:19,720
Speaker 1: So I was overwhelmed, like, oh my god, like you know,

3204
02:59:19,920 --> 02:59:21,920
Speaker 1: A would have been crazy with the track, but they

3205
02:59:22,040 --> 02:59:24,200
Speaker 1: let me do this, and so I put it was

3206
02:59:24,320 --> 02:59:26,800
Speaker 1: became like this mission. I started listening to every interview

3207
02:59:27,040 --> 02:59:29,320
Speaker 1: just doing every beat I could find everything I could

3208
02:59:29,360 --> 02:59:32,200
Speaker 1: find about him, and it became like this organic thing

3209
02:59:32,280 --> 02:59:34,560
Speaker 1: that I did where he became like a best friend

3210
02:59:34,600 --> 02:59:36,560
Speaker 1: of mine that I never hung out with, Like I

3211
02:59:37,000 --> 02:59:40,520
Speaker 1: kicked it with his best friends and you know, yeah,

3212
02:59:40,560 --> 02:59:43,240
Speaker 1: but I started meeting people around him and and what

3213
02:59:43,360 --> 02:59:46,080
Speaker 1: what happened was the album took place and that and

3214
02:59:46,160 --> 02:59:49,240
Speaker 1: there's a documentary about the making of the album that

3215
02:59:49,440 --> 02:59:53,560
Speaker 1: that's coming. So that's coming together at sometimes next year.

3216
02:59:53,920 --> 02:59:56,840
Speaker 1: But the album has the likes of Bunby Chuck, d

3217
02:59:57,680 --> 03:00:03,879
Speaker 1: CeeLo Green, Corey, Guns, Source, Money, Chi Ali, Uh My Son,

3218
03:00:04,400 --> 03:00:08,240
Speaker 1: Dela Funky, Homo sapien to Um. I mean like like

3219
03:00:08,400 --> 03:00:12,760
Speaker 1: it's the smuggage book freeways on there. Um yeah, I said,

3220
03:00:12,800 --> 03:00:16,440
Speaker 1: so its money, like like it's it's heavy. It's heavy,

3221
03:00:16,480 --> 03:00:18,160
Speaker 1: you know I'm saying like it's it's a real heavy piece.

3222
03:00:18,680 --> 03:00:21,480
Speaker 1: Um My man Uh Alexander Simone who was the grandson

3223
03:00:21,560 --> 03:00:26,240
Speaker 1: of Nina Simone, Jalil Shaw, Uh Centauria, a new upcoming

3224
03:00:26,360 --> 03:00:30,600
Speaker 1: artist that's gonna blow everybody's mind. Was my album. But

3225
03:00:31,040 --> 03:00:32,920
Speaker 1: all of these, but all these I pull all these

3226
03:00:33,040 --> 03:00:35,600
Speaker 1: featured artists. What I'm saying, like all of these cats

3227
03:00:35,959 --> 03:00:37,360
Speaker 1: some of them like I've never got a chance to

3228
03:00:37,400 --> 03:00:39,120
Speaker 1: do one with Bunny, I gotta do one with Bumby

3229
03:00:39,320 --> 03:00:42,000
Speaker 1: and you know, like it was just for dillab for

3230
03:00:42,879 --> 03:00:44,800
Speaker 1: everybody I just name is rocking with me over a

3231
03:00:44,879 --> 03:00:48,080
Speaker 1: dillerb what I'm saying. So, so that's coming sometime next year.

3232
03:00:48,080 --> 03:00:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't know the date because we're still doing a documentary,

3233
03:00:50,600 --> 03:00:52,160
Speaker 1: so you can't really put a date on that one,

3234
03:00:52,480 --> 03:00:54,800
Speaker 1: but it's coming. Then I got this a couple of

3235
03:00:54,920 --> 03:00:56,760
Speaker 1: I'm doing a series of EPs of what I'm doing

3236
03:00:56,800 --> 03:01:00,320
Speaker 1: to stay busy. So I'm just reaching out to dope

3237
03:01:00,360 --> 03:01:03,520
Speaker 1: produces that I think a dope like, whether they're well

3238
03:01:03,600 --> 03:01:05,560
Speaker 1: known or not well known, and I'm gonna do like

3239
03:01:05,680 --> 03:01:08,000
Speaker 1: five songs with them. So the first one coming out

3240
03:01:08,200 --> 03:01:10,040
Speaker 1: is me and my dude Stu Bangers. I don't know

3241
03:01:10,040 --> 03:01:12,600
Speaker 1: if you're familiar with Stu Bangers out of Massachusetts. Your

3242
03:01:12,640 --> 03:01:15,039
Speaker 1: son is like just straight cryptonite hard, you know, it's

3243
03:01:15,040 --> 03:01:16,920
Speaker 1: like he gets it in. So me and Stu Bank

3244
03:01:16,959 --> 03:01:20,600
Speaker 1: has got this project called called Sheep stew Um. I

3245
03:01:20,720 --> 03:01:23,960
Speaker 1: also got another EP that's gonna be coming out with

3246
03:01:24,440 --> 03:01:26,760
Speaker 1: It's almost like a Lucy Pearl, you know what I'm saying,

3247
03:01:26,920 --> 03:01:29,920
Speaker 1: and I'll just say to the two guys and one girl, well,

3248
03:01:30,160 --> 03:01:35,879
Speaker 1: just really one gout one girl. Sound terrible, sound very

3249
03:01:41,160 --> 03:01:44,480
Speaker 1: it sounds kind of portant. It was very important. But

3250
03:01:45,160 --> 03:01:47,520
Speaker 1: you're right, it is two guys girl. But but but

3251
03:01:47,680 --> 03:01:50,640
Speaker 1: one is a producer and I'm just gonna give the

3252
03:01:50,680 --> 03:01:53,680
Speaker 1: way to producer. The producer is a producer by the

3253
03:01:53,800 --> 03:01:56,240
Speaker 1: by the name of Vitamin D. You familiar vitamin D

3254
03:01:56,440 --> 03:01:59,960
Speaker 1: A little bit, your vitamin D is Vitamin D is

3255
03:02:00,080 --> 03:02:02,880
Speaker 1: one of the dopest produced. Every dope producer in the

3256
03:02:03,000 --> 03:02:06,120
Speaker 1: game knows exactly who vite him in d is and

3257
03:02:06,640 --> 03:02:10,119
Speaker 1: it's it's I'm taking upon myself to make sure everybody

3258
03:02:10,200 --> 03:02:13,280
Speaker 1: knows who like. Every dope producing the game knows who

3259
03:02:13,320 --> 03:02:16,080
Speaker 1: he is. And it's like like he's that dope and

3260
03:02:16,320 --> 03:02:18,600
Speaker 1: so I'm doing this amazing project with him. And and

3261
03:02:18,760 --> 03:02:20,480
Speaker 1: there is a Lucy up in there. I'm not gonna

3262
03:02:20,520 --> 03:02:24,480
Speaker 1: give away who she is yet. Okay, I think it's

3263
03:02:24,520 --> 03:02:27,119
Speaker 1: time to take a picture, picture and taking the drop.

3264
03:02:29,200 --> 03:02:32,960
Speaker 1: Just do one more shot. He trying to you know,

3265
03:02:33,040 --> 03:02:38,960
Speaker 1: he's a drink chad. But love word man and the

3266
03:02:39,000 --> 03:02:42,760
Speaker 1: work y'all are doing. Man, y'all doing some amazing work.

3267
03:02:42,800 --> 03:02:46,080
Speaker 1: And and and to say that that don't that don't

3268
03:02:46,120 --> 03:02:48,240
Speaker 1: mean that that knocks don't come with it and all

3269
03:02:48,280 --> 03:02:51,080
Speaker 1: that ship you're not not But y'all are bouncing off

3270
03:02:51,120 --> 03:02:54,280
Speaker 1: ship like like like men. Y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all,

3271
03:02:54,520 --> 03:02:58,120
Speaker 1: y'all are good for all community and and and y'all

3272
03:02:58,320 --> 03:02:59,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, y'all are setting a dope

3273
03:03:00,120 --> 03:03:05,040
Speaker 1: example of of how capable we are. Litt let me

3274
03:03:05,080 --> 03:03:07,200
Speaker 1: just say, let me say this before we leave, but

3275
03:03:07,520 --> 03:03:13,480
Speaker 1: our whole purpose is the key the true generation alive.

3276
03:03:14,959 --> 03:03:19,680
Speaker 1: And that means you know, people who you know to

3277
03:03:19,800 --> 03:03:22,960
Speaker 1: be famous, to be in the hip hop. Is this.

3278
03:03:24,160 --> 03:03:26,200
Speaker 1: I apologize to anybody who ever been the war. I've

3279
03:03:26,200 --> 03:03:29,080
Speaker 1: been to the army and you take this the wrong

3280
03:03:29,200 --> 03:03:32,080
Speaker 1: way and been the But the same thing is fighting

3281
03:03:32,120 --> 03:03:35,080
Speaker 1: a war. It's a different kind of veterans. It's a

3282
03:03:35,120 --> 03:03:38,520
Speaker 1: different type of veterans. But we're veterans, veterans of our

3283
03:03:38,560 --> 03:03:42,440
Speaker 1: own things. We're not comparing the pain and the struggle.

3284
03:03:42,520 --> 03:03:49,560
Speaker 1: But that ship, that ship is a mental to what

3285
03:03:49,640 --> 03:03:53,760
Speaker 1: you're saying. A lot of people don't understand that. Like

3286
03:03:53,840 --> 03:03:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, you've got other You've got other friends that

3287
03:03:56,200 --> 03:03:59,560
Speaker 1: you know, have a job and when they take off

3288
03:03:59,600 --> 03:04:02,560
Speaker 1: their unit form, that's it. Like our uniform is on

3289
03:04:03,080 --> 03:04:05,960
Speaker 1: four seven and it's my work. When the Cap comes

3290
03:04:05,959 --> 03:04:09,160
Speaker 1: home from war, people around him can't really relate to

3291
03:04:09,280 --> 03:04:12,080
Speaker 1: what he's been through. And the same kind of with us,

3292
03:04:12,720 --> 03:04:14,800
Speaker 1: like you know, like people can see it and they

3293
03:04:14,879 --> 03:04:19,360
Speaker 1: can form an assumption, but they have no idea to

3294
03:04:19,520 --> 03:04:22,600
Speaker 1: the degree, you know, like the undercurrent and the ship

3295
03:04:22,720 --> 03:04:25,280
Speaker 1: that's over yet this ship under your feet and over

3296
03:04:25,320 --> 03:04:27,600
Speaker 1: your head and you got to navigate that ship, you know,

3297
03:04:27,760 --> 03:04:29,520
Speaker 1: and it's real, you know what I'm saying. So, but

3298
03:04:30,080 --> 03:04:34,040
Speaker 1: but that's life, Y'all's life, y'all. But we're want to

3299
03:04:34,040 --> 03:04:37,640
Speaker 1: say to you, you know, ch Q, this is your platform,

3300
03:04:37,720 --> 03:04:39,480
Speaker 1: this is your format when you'll want to come over

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