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Speaker 1: a party for your ears. This is the buffet with

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Speaker 1: Chad and Scooch. I want to buy that guy at buffet. Hello,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the buffet with Chad and Scooch from the

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Speaker 1: Action Network. I am Chad Millman with the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: On the phone with me from the Orleans representing all

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Speaker 1: the board gaming books in the state of Nevada is

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Speaker 1: Bob Scucci, who was going to talk as soon as

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Speaker 1: I'm done with the rundown of what's on the show today,

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Speaker 1: So people can stay tuned and be excited, because after

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Speaker 1: Scooch and I are done talking, Uh, Ryan Russillo of

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Speaker 1: ESPN fe him and now podcast fame and who famously

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Speaker 1: gonna play you bet your life talking about the biggest

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Speaker 1: risk he's taken in his life, how much you want

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Speaker 1: Scooch is going to talk to me. We got a

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Speaker 1: I'm good. How are you? Wow? That's interesting how you

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Speaker 1: What do you guys do? What? What do you in

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Speaker 1: Went out to a nice dinner, open up some wine,

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Speaker 1: passenger ships out. And it's just crazy that you're like, oh,

428
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Speaker 1: man like talk about and yet he's a hero, like

429
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: Churchill's considered a hero and I don't know, I don't

430
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Speaker 1: know how to play today. We'd have a massive like

431
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: people would tweet like crazy that he wasn't a hero.

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00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: I know that part well, if you've seen like The

433
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Speaker 1: Darkest Hour, which was that movie that just came out

434
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Speaker 1: of how he managed World War Two, there's that whole

435
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Speaker 1: scene where he basically goes on the radio and lies

436
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 1: to the British public about the status of the war

437
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: and Hitler and how everything's being responded to, completely bald

438
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: faced lies about it, and uh, he still goes on

439
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: to be the hero. Now that's a really good point

440
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,479
Speaker 1: because I always wonder, like Okay, what what? What are

441
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: we being told? How much are we being lied to?

442
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: And do we kind of deserve it? Do we kind

443
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Speaker 1: of deserve to be lied too? Because if everybody in

444
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Speaker 1: power told us the truth every single element, every single

445
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: decision along the way, and we sit here in debate

446
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: all these things and probably get in the way of

447
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: any kind of progress. But I'm sure because some people

448
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: would listen to this and be like, no, we we

449
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: deserve the truth. We deserve to know every single time.

450
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: It's almost like a trade. You know, when I gets traded,

451
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 1: he always gets really piste off about it and says, oh,

452
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, they were shopping me and they didn't even

453
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Speaker 1: have they weren't even man enough to tell me, and

454
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Speaker 1: then they didn't tell me face to face or b

455
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. And it's like, if I were

456
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Speaker 1: a GM, I wouldn't go to every practice and be like,

457
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: you know, to my second best player or whatever and

458
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: say to I'm trying to think of a good example,

459
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: or Daniella Gallinari and be like, hey, Danello, I took

460
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: a call today. I had a call from another team.

461
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: They made us a trade offer. I did turn it down,

462
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: but I will keep you posted because I want you

463
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: to always be in the loop and us to not

464
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: like that's not realistic. You know, things don't really work

465
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Speaker 1: that way. So when I think of like history, and

466
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: you know, when I read post Obama stuff and the

467
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: involvement in the Middle East, and I don't know, maybe

468
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm just too rational about some things, but like i'll

469
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Speaker 1: listen to or read about some sort of military decision

470
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Speaker 1: that people after the facts of just crushed the bomb

471
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Speaker 1: before I'll be like, well, I can see how we

472
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Speaker 1: get to this kind of crossroads. Instead, I'm kind of

473
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: screwed either way. So I can arm people or I

474
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: can not arm people, and if I don't and then

475
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: there's enough rising that it's my fault. And then when

476
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Speaker 1: I armed people after I said I don't want to

477
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Speaker 1: put more guns in this part of the world, that

478
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Speaker 1: I'm wrong there. So you know what, I'm just not

479
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: gonna put more guns over there, And I'm reading it going, yeah,

480
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: maybe it didn't work out, but I can totally understand

481
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: how he came to that point. So I think it's

482
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: really funny the way we kind of look at history.

483
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Speaker 1: And I don't know, I because someone was arguing that

484
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Speaker 1: maybe you don't deserve to be updated on every single

485
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 1: thing that's impacting the world. Well, you can't do your

486
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: job as a diplomat and as a politician and as

487
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: a world leader if you are trying to constantly figure

488
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Speaker 1: out how am I going to frame this very nuanced,

489
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Speaker 1: challenging subject for an audience of you know, hundreds of

490
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Speaker 1: millions of people, um that don't understand the full context

491
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: and don't understand the relationships and don't haven't played a

492
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Speaker 1: game of chess to the point where we know what

493
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: the next five moves are with either decision and what

494
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: the calculus is in those risk factors and saying all right,

495
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: if we go this way, this could happen. This is

496
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: sort of a a proportional response, or this is a

497
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: a challenge that we can this is a a now

498
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: come we can live with even if it's bad, Like

499
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: you just can't explain that the three hundred million people

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00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: like you can only do it after the fact, which

501
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: is why you get this sort of big addresses after

502
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: you know bin Laden has been killed and why we

503
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: made the decisions we made, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Yeah, right,

504
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: and at that point too, you're just going all right,

505
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: you know despite everything being such a battle, and how

506
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: people see things and say, well, you should have done

507
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: it this way, or why did you not think of this,

508
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: or you should have handled this segment. There's nothing easier

509
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: in life and after something happened and say, oh no, no no, no,

510
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: you should have done it, you should have done it

511
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: all these different ways. Like I never I hate when

512
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: we have like in sports, we'll have somebody apologize or

513
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: something right, and God screws up, he does something wrong,

514
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: going to apologize. Okay, so now we get it just

515
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Speaker 1: ranking on sincere rank, like in the sincere meter, where

516
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: are we at one of ten? Okay, okay, well he

517
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: wasn't super sincere. Then we have the body language expert

518
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: come on and be like you know, when you turn

519
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: your shoulders in that means he's lying, and you just

520
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: go all right, okay, let's keep doing this so you're right.

521
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 1: So when something like the ladin happens, you're going, all right,

522
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: Blond's out. And this is huge for us because now

523
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: we can go up and we can you know, stick

524
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: out our chests and like I would hope and this

525
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: is me speaking as if our politician going I would

526
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: hope that there wouldn't be a thing after the fact

527
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: going hey, was this handled the right way? And of

528
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: course that's actually what happens. And that's why, you know,

529
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: to be a politician. You know, I always kind of

530
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: think it's funny that people go, oh, I hate how

531
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: politicians talk, or I want somebody real, or I don't

532
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: want somebody who's part of the system, part of the machine.

533
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: You know what, politicians talk to us this way because

534
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: that's the way we have to be talked to. Like

535
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: this is we sit there and we pick our side

536
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: and then be completely sell out for the one guy

537
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: and then rip the other dude who just is in

538
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: the line with my ideas ideology. You know, that's why

539
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: I think it's only so funny because I listen to

540
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: these guys and I can't stand them. You know, I'm

541
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: not very political at all. I can't stand these guys.

542
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: They insult our intelligence for the most part. But they

543
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: talked to us this way because if they can bend

544
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: something in some angle that they're base still supports, They're like, yeah,

545
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: I'll just go on this like this is BS, but

546
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: at least I know my base is still gonna believe it.

547
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: So I'll just say it this way, and then everybody

548
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 1: complains about the way this stuff is related to us,

549
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: and I go, yeah, but if they told us the

550
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: truth all of the time and we're totally frank, we

551
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: would crush him for that too, the same way we

552
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: do it with athletes when somebody goes, you know what,

553
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: I don't think this team is any good, or you

554
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: know what, I don't think we can win with this quarterback,

555
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: or I'm not sure that our coach puts the best

556
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: position to win. Like, we ask for all that sincerity,

557
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: but as soon as we get it, because I can't

558
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: believe that guy was so forthcoming absolute truth. Man, you

559
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: can't win with that. And you are incredibly passionate about writing,

560
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: and that's one of the reasons you're in l A.

561
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: So tell me about the biggest risk you've taken in

562
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: what happened next? Well, this is it, man. I mean,

563
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: you know when when people talk about getting involved in

564
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: sports talk and getting the show, I wasn't risking anything.

565
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: I was a bartender, you know, living above a restaurant

566
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: that served terrible pasta. Uh. You know, I'm still going

567
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: to school in the town. Are I still working? Still bartending?

568
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: In the town that I went to school at. And

569
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, at first, it's like, hey, this is fun.

570
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: I have a nice little life. I love growing tim Vermont.

571
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: And then you know, a few years go by and

572
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: you finished school, and you know, your dad starts asking

573
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: you a a tougher questions about your plans for the future,

574
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: and you got classmates coming back up to visit with

575
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Speaker 1: a fiance or somebody that's about to be a fiance,

576
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: and I'm pouring and bud lights and I'm going, all right, man,

577
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: like this is not the plan. This is and there's

578
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: nothing against that. Like sometimes I wish I could be

579
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: just more content and more happy with simple things, but

580
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: because I've never been that way, and I know I'm

581
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: never gonna be that way. So you know, I got

582
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: involved in in sports, and you know, you know the

583
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: story worked for a minor league team, and you know,

584
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, fifteen sixteen years later, I've left to

585
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: ESPN after after twelve years at ESPN, and you know,

586
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: the cool thing about the ESPN I don't know if

587
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: this is us taking a break from each other. I

588
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: can use relationship analogies for everything, but I don't know.

589
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: I just felt like the right time, and and we've

590
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: been actually really cool about it. This is this has

591
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: gone much better than maybe I would have imagined. You know,

592
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: we've had some pretty honest conversations with with people that

593
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: make decisions over there. They kind of understand why I

594
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: made the decision I made, and you know, this isn't

595
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: necessarily done. But you know the reason I needed to

596
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: do this now is that I feel like, even though

597
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: this is a much bigger risk, I just wanted to

598
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: see if I could write TV shows and I had

599
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: had some ideas that I've been kicking around for a while.

600
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: I took a shot at a couple of years ago.

601
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: I had an idea I wrote. I would say it's

602
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: probably an embarrassing script, how bad it was, but I

603
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: was just trying to figure out how to do it. Like,

604
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: just because you read a Robert mckeebook and by the

605
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: updated final draft program doesn't mean you're just gonna bang out,

606
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: um you know a few good and so uh, I

607
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: guess you know. It's one of those things where like

608
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: I kept telling everybody when I was bartending that I

609
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: wanted to be a talk show host, and then I

610
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: did it. So some sometimes I feel really stupid about

611
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: telling anybody what I want to do here and trying

612
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: to write for television. But if it doesn't work, I'm

613
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: gonna be like, man, I told everybody what I wanted

614
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: to do, and now I'm I'm doing sports. Well. I

615
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: think I would still do some former sports if it's

616
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: with the ESPN, and if it's not. You know, the

617
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: podcast is going really really well, so I don't know

618
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: that that would ever be a door that I would close,

619
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: but I'm I just didn't really feel all that challenged anymore.

620
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: You know, I really like doing the daily radio show,

621
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: but I can't imagine what the feeling would be like

622
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: to create something and to write it all down and

623
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: then have somebody go, you know what, we love this

624
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: and we want to buy it and we want to

625
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: make this a show and be able to say, like,

626
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: I I've fucking created that. Man, sorry to swear, like

627
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: that's just how I feel, and that's what I want

628
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: to do and that's what I plan on doing. So

629
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Speaker 1: that's that's I got really a bug a couple of

630
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: years ago, and and pitching the fourteen networks and going

631
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: over fourteen, I didn't talk really during the pitch, and

632
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: that always pissed me off. So I feel like, if

633
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it again, I'm gonna do it more

634
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: on my terms or align myself with some people that

635
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: are really pumped to work with me. And you know,

636
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm doing. I wake up every day

637
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: and I write. I'm like the seventh draft of this

638
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: pilot right now. And it's really hard some days, and

639
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: some days it's a lot of fun when you feel

640
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: like you nailed writing down a scene and then a

641
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: really established producer writer sends you back notes and sis

642
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: and he's still not there yet. So I got some time.

643
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: Well we'll we'll figure this out. At what point you

644
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: had a radio show for a long time, it's going

645
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: really well, you have this bug. At what point does

646
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: the the switch flip and you're like, I just don't

647
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: want to do the radio show anymore. Like I feel

648
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: like the the the seesaw has gone to the other direction. Um,

649
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, I don't, you know. I'm more I think

650
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people like we want to ask me,

651
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, what were you upset about with the ESPN

652
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: or what were you mad about? I mean a lot

653
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: of stuff I already said on the show. O no, no,

654
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: no, no no, that's that's that's actually not my Q. It's

655
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 1: not about like what did the ESPN do. It's like

656
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: in your head, you were probably very happy and thinking

657
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: about like doing this for a while. There must have

658
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: been something wrong before you, even before there was any

659
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: interaction with the ESPN where you're like, I think it's

660
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: time for me to do this. That would be the

661
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: impetus to even have a conversation. Oh yeah, no, I

662
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: was going to set that up. I know that you

663
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: weren't like asking me to be like, all right something

664
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: who you don't like, Um, I don't really feel like

665
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't really feel like I was growing um and

666
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: and I don't really know that that's debatable and people

667
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: there have agreed. I go, yeah, you know, probably right. So, uh,

668
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: I put so much time into that show, and it

669
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: was really the only way I knew how to do it.

670
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: And I didn't have any balance, and I was living

671
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: in Connecticut. I wasn't I wasn't real happy, and I

672
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: had always had this this bug. The weird thing is

673
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: is that right before I moved to Boston after working

674
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: for this minor league baseball team, and that was two

675
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: thousand two, I was working construction for my father, and

676
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: part of my deal was they had bought this little

677
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: beat up cottage and they said, well, let's just live

678
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: there for free, but you got to do the work

679
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: on the house in the meantime. So you know, I

680
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: get up and I would shingle or I would do

681
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: you know, some of the some of the work around

682
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: the house. I mean, the thing was kind of beat up,

683
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: and you know some other jobs, I said, be out there.

684
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: I remember one day I I dug eight dry wells

685
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: off of this massive house he was building. And that

686
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: was the worst because you gotta do these trenches off

687
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 1: of the rain spouts, and then you get to dig

688
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: thirty six inches down thirty six across and run these

689
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: trenches um from the gutters off of the bottom of

690
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: the house, you know, away from the house, so that

691
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: you have the water table, you know, all pouring away

692
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: from the house. And then uh, you gotta fill it

693
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: with rocks and then cover it all back up. And

694
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: I had to do eight of those, and it took

695
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: me like lit intimately an hour to do each one.

696
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: And I came home and this girl actually had come

697
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: down from Austin to visit me because she thought like

698
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: I was having this awesome summer of Vinyard life and

699
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't uh And I came back and I was

700
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: just covered covered, and I went, all right, you know,

701
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: I don't mind hard work. I've worked hard, you know,

702
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: for him most of my life. And then I just went,

703
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,479
Speaker 1: this sucks, like I gotta like, what are you doing?

704
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: Like I gotta figure something out here. And as I

705
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: was sending out tapes of my minor league baseball announcing,

706
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: which wasn't that good. Luckily, I just said a deep voice,

707
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: but I was, I was writing this script in two

708
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,959
Speaker 1: thousand two, you know, I was sitting there writing out

709
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: this whole thing and that I don't know, it's just

710
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: you know how it is, right, Like you probably right,

711
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: and then you probably have some other project that you

712
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: use as a distraction from the thing that you're supposed

713
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: to get done, Am I right? And stuff like that. Yeah.

714
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, for a long time I called it a

715
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: full time job. So but I mean, like, would you

716
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: find yourself get stuck on the thing that mattered and

717
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: going to work on something that didn't matter but it

718
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: kind of helped you get the priority done? Oh yeah,

719
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: it completely focuses you like, all of a sudden, you'll

720
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: be you know, for me, it's when I was editing

721
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: a desp in the magazine, and um, I was writing

722
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: books on the side. But like i'd write the book

723
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: in the morning, i'd go to work, I'd write the

724
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: book at night, and all of a sudden, you'd be

725
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: working on something in your mind would be clear of

726
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: sort of the screen in front of you, and you

727
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: would immediately get a crystallized idea of what it is

728
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do in that segment of the book

729
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: that you're trying to write that will help you get

730
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: from what point A to point B? Yeah, because it sucks.

731
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: It sucks so hard when you're like, okay, I know

732
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: everything I want to do after this, I just have

733
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: to get there, Like what's the perfect way to get there?

734
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: And you know, when it doesn't happen, you just can

735
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: get stuck and you're like, great, an hour's gone by,

736
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: my kitchens clean, But okay, I know how I want

737
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: to end this, but how the hell am I going

738
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: to get there? Or it actually makes some sense. So

739
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: I was coming home and you know that was that

740
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: was only six, that's twenty six, and I would I

741
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: would work on that at night, like I just needed

742
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: a distraction. I needed to do something that made me

743
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: feel like, Okay, things are not great right now. Things

744
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: are not working out, Um, but you're gonna be okay,

745
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: and you know, we're gonna swing for the fences here.

746
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: And as I was writing that, dude, in two thousands

747
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: two that thing would have been so bad. I can't

748
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: even imagine how bad it would have been. You know,

749
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: I didn't really develop any B and Z storylines all

750
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: that well, Uh, but it was It was fun. I

751
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: really had fun. And then I ended up getting a

752
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: job on the air and Boston, so that was it

753
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: and I didn't touch it again until probably a couple

754
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: of years ago. It's so funny how those things happened, right.

755
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 1: I remember when I I wrote this book The Odds,

756
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: about guys who been in sports for a living, and

757
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: I got the book deal in At the same time,

758
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,479
Speaker 1: I had written a TV pilot based on the first

759
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: book I had written about playground Basketball, and UM sent

760
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: it to a buddy of mine who, with time, was

761
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: in development at DreamWorks. He ended up becoming the president

762
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: of Paramount Pictures, and um I sent it to him,

763
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: and like he ended up. He read it and like

764
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: a month later got back to me and he said,

765
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: you know what, this is really good, Like there's nothing

766
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: to develop here, but you should come out and try

767
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: to be a screenwriter and see if, like you can

768
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: make it. And I did. I just gotten to for

769
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: the odds and I'm like, you know what, I'm just

770
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: going to do this book. I'm really excited about I'm

771
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: gonna do it. I went back and I happened to

772
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: I like I was cleaning out, honest to god, before

773
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: I took this job at the Action Network. I was

774
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: cleaning out like some old box in my basement, and

775
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: I found the script and I read it and it

776
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: was fucking terrible, like awful. It was when I was

777
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: packing up I was reading, I had to put it down.

778
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: I couldn't throw it away. I printed this ship out

779
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: no too, but I was like, oh my god, dude,

780
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: like take your title page off at least. Yeah, honest

781
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: to God, it was. It's it's it's um. You look

782
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: back and you like, can't believe I actually put that

783
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: out of the world. Yeah, do you think your friend

784
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: lied to you? No? I think at the time, like

785
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: I was twenty six years old, probably and it was

786
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: probably good for a dude it was twenty six and

787
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: had never written a TV pilot before, and like it

788
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: was an area nobody was really addressing at the time,

789
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: and sort of had cool moments that were very inside

790
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: that um, you know, would take you into a different world.

791
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: But it wasn't very good. Like dialogue was crappy and

792
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: the scene setting was awful, and like the situations were

793
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: both at the same time clich and entirely unrealistic. Um,

794
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: it was just bad. Yeah. See, that's that's kind of

795
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: my fears that you know, when I did the first

796
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: UM pilot that I heard a couple of years ago,

797
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: I was still with an agency in my sports contract

798
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: was coming up with the SPN, so I kind of

799
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,479
Speaker 1: felt like, you know, hey, when I when I signed

800
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: with you guys, you know at the time it's been

801
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: seven years something. I go, I really signed with you

802
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: because you guys are such big players in the television space,

803
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: which is a huge word as you know out here, UM,

804
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: and I go, I really, I really want to try

805
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: to kick the tires on this thing. You know, my

806
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: contracts coming up, Like I could see myself maybe we

807
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: could get something done, you know. I might even take

808
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: a break from sports, and they were like, yeah, yeah,

809
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, look at every every agent

810
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: has there's a reason they're agents, you know. The Unfortunately,

811
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: I wish agents just go now, this sucks, total waste

812
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: of time pre signed with the ESPN. But they never

813
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: want to do that to you because they're afraid if

814
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: they say, hey, this sucks, there's gonna be some other

815
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: agent that's gonna pick you off by saying, now, what

816
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: do you mean you suck? That pilot's amazing, Like where

817
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: is it great? There's a need for this in this space.

818
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: So they told me the first one was okay, but

819
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: he had to do at all and I agreed to

820
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: all the changes because I wanted to see like how

821
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 1: far we could go with it. And it was cool,

822
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: you know, sitting there with HBO, Cinemax and pitching it

823
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: was it was cool. But you know, unfortunate our story

824
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: was a little too basic. I think that's what kind

825
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: of gets back to, like when you're writing something, it's

826
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: it's very challenging now, I think, because you know, the

827
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: rules are so different. Man. Like one of the examples

828
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: of some of the used to me was, you know,

829
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: you look at Breaking Bad and you go, okay, well,

830
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: how was that pitched? And you go, all right, it's

831
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: guy chemists, legendary chemists, really smart. Um, you know, it's

832
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: never smoked at Danny's life terminal lung cancer, gonna die

833
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: besides to start cooking meth. But he's also motivated and

834
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: driven by the fact that his other partnership college that

835
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: we're also really smart, went into this company killed it,

836
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: and he's always had this jealousy and felt like, Okay,

837
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: I never went for it, so now I'm gonna go

838
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: for it. And you're like, wow, you know meth dealing,

839
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: Keim teach your dad, who's gonna die in six months?

840
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: You know, that's just not that's just not the way

841
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: shows were when we were growing up. Like I had

842
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: a friend who's a really accomplished writer out here who

843
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: pitched some show about like a coming of age kid

844
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: in high or high school, junior high, something like that,

845
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: and then they passed on it. And then all he

846
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: did was changed the timeline of like it was a

847
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: jump back and forth timeline deal, and they were like,

848
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: this is amazing, and they're like picked up a second

849
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: season and it was the same thing. So sometimes when

850
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: I write like I think my stuff is very straightforward,

851
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: and sometimes I wonder, like it's is that kind of lost?

852
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: Can you just not tell some scare story? Does everybody

853
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: have to be an alien? Does does something have to be?

854
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: Like mad Men could have been Madman even if Dom

855
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: Draper wasn't a war desert like, it still would have worked.

856
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: But it probably feels like that if they didn't have

857
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: this little hook that there was some sort of mystery

858
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: about him, Um, you know, maybe it doesn't sell, and

859
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: who knows. I think he brought that around and pitching

860
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: to everybody for years and years. But that's the part

861
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: that scares me because even when I could go back

862
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: and read something that's terrible and go, Okay, this sucks. Uh,

863
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you hit sent on something you think

864
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: is pretty good and then you know, you still feel

865
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: like you're not there. And that's that's definitely the scary part.

866
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: And there's definitely gonna be days like I continue to

867
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: have days where I'll go, man, you did you know

868
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: what you're doing here? Like are you did you just

869
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: think this was gonna be cool? And you're gonna move

870
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,959
Speaker 1: to l A And like, man, I'm gonna make TV

871
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: shows like, I'm not doing this to tell girls at

872
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: Starbucks and I'm a TV producer. I'm doing it because,

873
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: you know, I'm doing it because I want to be

874
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: good at it, just like you know, I thought I

875
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: was pretty good at what I did before. You know, Well,

876
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: that's the risk, that's the that's that's the you bet

877
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: your life component to all of this, right is you Actually,

878
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: normally I do this interview with people and they have

879
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: come out the other side and they get like what works,

880
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: and they're happy to have taken the risk. You are

881
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 1: smack dab in the middle of it. No, So I mean,

882
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: you know, but I'm not. I'm not freaking out like

883
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: people have called me. The second week after I had

884
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: left you know ESPN. You know, that first week is

885
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: easy because I would have been off ball games, holidays,

886
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: the whole deal in that first week of January. And

887
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,479
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in front of the laptop and here two

888
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: pages in you're going they've actually had another paragraph about

889
00:44:54,239 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: the temperature. Uh that is the going me. That is

890
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: the little nest place in the world right there. Yeah,

891
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, and I live by myself. I'm in Hartford,

892
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: and I was like, I could guess I could work

893
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: out again today. Um, and now you get there, I

894
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: mean you kind of get there, and you know that's

895
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: the that's the thing is is that now I was

896
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: pretty close to maybe being a general contractor. I even

897
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: dabbled and helped insurance consulting. Don't even ask. And I

898
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: was like, you know, if I don't try to do

899
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: the sports thing, um, I'll probably divorce my wife at

900
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: like thirty five and freak out, like move to Cabo.

901
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: Look at the house, and I go, so I need

902
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: I need to I need to try this. And so

903
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: if I just stated at ESPN and maybe you know,

904
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: settled down with a cute girl from the gym and Hartford,

905
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: you know, I probably a divorce her fifty and moved

906
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: out here trying to do so this is really more

907
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: real estate play where I'm not just gonna lose half. Yeah,

908
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: I mean I look at this as I'm already I've

909
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: already recouped the half I was gonna lose in a

910
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: divorce had i just stayed in Hartford. So really I've

911
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: already want is a house in Manhattan Beach and in

912
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: a membership to equinoxed. Yeah right, because my dad did

913
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: drop that on me, because do you think if you're

914
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: successful with this that in five years you'll say, you know,

915
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm not really happy and I I need

916
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: to try something new, So I don't. I don't, I

917
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, you know, if I've been killing it,

918
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: killing it at ESPN, and I mean like a chosen one,

919
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: a made man, maybe I don't do this and maybe

920
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: if I had gotten that, then I miss out on

921
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: all the great things are gonna happen here. Or you know,

922
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just too realistic, Like I can sit

923
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: here and do like the T shirt, no days off,

924
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: do your job, you know, shark attack whatever, and say, oh,

925
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,479
Speaker 1: I'm never I'm never gonna fail. I'm never gonna fail

926
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: to turn nobody wants as much as me. I'm gonna

927
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: out work everybody. Like that's all bullshit. I get either

928
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: going to come up with a great idea and somebody's

929
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: gonna like me and go, yeah, I want to work

930
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: with this dude, or I'm not and I'm okay with it. Well,

931
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: that's also the thing about that job, or writing books

932
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: or anything in a creative space. You could outwork anybody.

933
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: You could be twice as talented as somebody else. So

934
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: much of that is about right book rights, show, right idea,

935
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: right time, right place. You know. Like look, Game of

936
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: Thrones was not a hit the first eight episodes it aired.

937
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: I gave up on it, He gave up, took off.

938
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: How could put subtitles on? I was like, what the

939
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: hell did that? Guys say this dude's the Lord too,

940
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, I was so confused. Anyway, sorry, keep going

941
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: because that's your guy. What the point is? Like then

942
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they chopped the guy's heads off,

943
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: head off, and it's a game changing television program that

944
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: complete He changes how people treat the heroes in the show,

945
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: and treat characters in the show, and treat the relationship

946
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: with the audience because all of a sudden, it's not

947
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: an imperative that the hero survive every single element of

948
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: every single scene, right Because in the eighties and nineties

949
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have gotten that. You know, like all that

950
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: stuff started changing. And Brett Martin, who wrote this unbelievable

951
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: book on just the evolution of television, I think it's difficult, man. Uh,

952
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: he's just writer. I think he's down in New Orleans

953
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: all the time at least I follow on Twitter and

954
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: he's he's constantly tweeting about food down there, and he's

955
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: been really nice to me, and we DMed a little bit.

956
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: I told him I was trying to do and he

957
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,479
Speaker 1: was kind of like a hey man, good luck. It's tough,

958
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: like okay, okay, thank you, But it's this. If you're

959
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: interested in this stuff, it's incredible because it just goes

960
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: through how the rules changed with television that we started

961
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: rooting for the bad guys and we knew he was

962
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: the bad guy, like we were okay, like gets into

963
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: the Shield and you know, it spends a lot of

964
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: time on the wire and the sopranos and kind of

965
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: how odd started this thing. But you're so right in

966
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: pointing out the net Stark thing, because nets dark like

967
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 1: growing up Game of Thrones, you go, uh, no, net

968
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: like the guy from Lord of the Rings. He's a

969
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: huge star. We have to keep him alive for five seasons,

970
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: you know. We gotta keep that dude to live. And

971
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, the same thing with Joffrey, Uh We're gonna

972
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: keep you know. It's funny because one of the guys

973
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: that I met up with from HBO Cinemax after we

974
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: failed our our pitch a couple years ago. He uh,

975
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: I said, what do we do wrong? Now I'll never

976
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: get his quote. He's like, hey man, we get shows

977
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: about like freaking dragons and dudes that disappear, like congrats

978
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: on your college drama, but yeah you did you see

979
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: the dragons? Did you see the dragons? And so then

980
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, well, what can I come up with?

981
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: It's so crazy, like all right, I'll start with dragons,

982
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: but then it will be from the future, but they

983
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: don't know that it's from the future. And then season

984
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: two mind blown, we're not even on Earth. And you're like, yeah,

985
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: that'll work, and it'll take place in high school small

986
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: West Texas High School. Uh. So you know, um, dude,

987
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: your story about one of the guys, one of the

988
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: creators Game of Thrones is so funny when you told

989
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: me that at dinner that I repeated that to my friends.

990
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: Can you share that because it's so funny that you

991
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: grew up with one of the dudes. Yeah, Dan Wise

992
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: dB Weiss, who's one of the creators of Game of Thrones. Um.

993
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: For those that don't know, like the Andy inside of

994
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: the episode, he's the guy with the glasses in the

995
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,479
Speaker 1: beginning so people understand, yeah exactly. Um, yeah, we totally

996
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: grew up together, you know, really good friends growing up

997
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: in high school, Like group of ten of us who

998
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: are really good friends were all still really good friends.

999
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: I just you know, he just got this big Star

1000
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: Wars deal. I was just emailing with him about it, like, um,

1001
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: crazy talented guy. Like uh. In high school, you know,

1002
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: we would all hang out at his house and he

1003
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: was not a huge he's not a sports guy at all,

1004
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: and we would like play basketball in his driveway. Um,

1005
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: and he was up in his room writing novels like

1006
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: he wrote this. You know, I remember reading a novel

1007
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: he wrote when we were in high school about like,

1008
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, kids in suburban town, right. And then he

1009
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: and I actually lived together in New York after college.

1010
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: We both moved to New York and for that summer

1011
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: we lived together, and um, he had written a novel

1012
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: about like werewolves that was just amazing and like my

1013
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: friends like yeah, it's like I'm like, you guys don't

1014
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: get it. He is playing a different game than the

1015
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: rest of us, Like he is out there and super creative,

1016
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: and we all knew like he was he was, you know,

1017
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: a really smart guy in high school obviously, but um,

1018
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: it was you know, he he was just always writing

1019
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: these things that were so beyond the realm of reality.

1020
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: And clearly that has now manifested itself into you know,

1021
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: the most popular television franchise in world history. And boy

1022
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: he's talented and like that's but that's also like welcome

1023
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: to a brother. That's sort of the game that you're

1024
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: trying to play right now. Yeah, I mean that's the

1025
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: kind of thing you look at you just go can

1026
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: you imagine having to sit down and go, okay, you

1027
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: got to write out this script and uh, I mean

1028
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: obviously they had the books to kind of go off

1029
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: there a little bit, but you know that stuff forget it,

1030
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,479
Speaker 1: I mean forget it. Like you know, I'm writing about

1031
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 1: Martha's Vineyard at the wintertime the world and nobody knows,

1032
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: you know, there's no dragons, but right, but also things

1033
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: do well too, Like there there are plenty of dramas

1034
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: that are not steeped in fantasy that do well. You

1035
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: just if you're going to write a drama about like

1036
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: Martha's Vineyard in the wintertime, you've got to have an

1037
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: anti hero like it can't be some dude who's you know,

1038
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: it's like it's got to be a guy who people

1039
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 1: might have to hate. Oh no, they're not gonna like them,

1040
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: but they're gonna struggle with trying to figure out like, Okay,

1041
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: is this guy truly evil or is he somebody who's

1042
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: trying to get his life together? And that's you know,

1043
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: I started it with some spot and you know, I

1044
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: start in Montana and then you know, the guy that

1045
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: I'm working with was like Sody, an expert on Montana.

1046
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 1: You went there for like three days. It's like, well,

1047
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: uh yeah, that's a good point. So you know, I

1048
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: change it to something I grow up because you know,

1049
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: the funny thing about growing up on MARTA's Vineyard and

1050
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: then meeting people is that they're like, oh, it must

1051
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: be nice, and you go, you know, no one has

1052
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: any idea of what the vineyard is. The vineyard is

1053
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: this self sustained community where all class levels are represented. Um,

1054
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: people don't understand that it's a lot more diverse than

1055
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: you realize. And when you show up, everybody's surprised that

1056
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: you don't have a sweater tried around your neck, and

1057
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,959
Speaker 1: you know, a sloop twenty two ft sloop out back,

1058
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: you know, or multiple sloops, just not the way it works.

1059
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 1: And you know on the island in the winters Rough,

1060
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: it's depressing. It's weird, you know. And I was I

1061
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: did it. I was in it for a couple of

1062
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: winners when I thought like, oh ship, like this is

1063
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do, Like I'm gonna be one of

1064
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: these guys. I'm gonna show up to the job site

1065
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: bitch about the Paths game on Monday. And then I

1066
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: guess I wouldn't have so much from plain about the

1067
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: last decade and a half. But you interesting at the point,

1068
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: so yeah, you know that's that's the funny thing too,

1069
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: is like when I'll watch the Game of Thrones because

1070
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: of rewatching again, now I go, you know, this can

1071
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: be about this mystical world and who's gonna be the

1072
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: king and all this crazy stuff, but the premise is

1073
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: still the same, like everybody wants to be king. So

1074
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,919
Speaker 1: I have to figure out, Okay, what does everybody want?

1075
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 1: You know, what is what? What's what's the problem and

1076
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 1: is there a solution? And are any of these people interesting?

1077
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: And I think they are, like I think they are,

1078
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: But I also grew up around it. But I also

1079
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: think it's a world that would surprise a lot of

1080
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: people because it's a real problem on Nantucket. Martha's Vineyard

1081
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: here is like one of the most desirable places in

1082
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: the country, and the people that grew up there are

1083
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: the people that take care of it year round can't

1084
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: really afford to stay there anymore. That's a huge problem.

1085
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: So what happens now today? Uh, well today today, I

1086
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: haven't officially moved out here yet, wating to close on

1087
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: the place, but just gonna keep plugging away. You know,

1088
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: I've given myself I have a time out of my head.

1089
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: I don't want to hold myself to any number here.

1090
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna be arrogant enough to be like

1091
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: I'm done with sports, because it's just not like I

1092
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: still think. I talked to the writer the other day

1093
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: and he says, you know, what do you think you'll

1094
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: do with sports? I said, I still think I do

1095
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: a podcast once a week with ESPN or you know

1096
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: if I'm not, And like, why wouldn't I, you know,

1097
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: because I still have these nights where I'm watching so

1098
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: much NBA. I mean, I'm still watching as much NBA

1099
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: as I was before, and I think I'll still prepare

1100
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: for the draft the way I have before because I

1101
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: love the draft, and I'm sure I can do all

1102
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 1: of these things because I don't have the daily show.

1103
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: That is, you know, I believe, like the most time

1104
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: consuming thing. I'm minn less. You're just a mail and

1105
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: in guide. You don't give a crap and you just go,

1106
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take calls for four hours to show a

1107
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes growth show starts. But the way I did

1108
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: the radio show, I could. I could never do it

1109
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: that way. So this is this weird freedom that I

1110
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: don't know. I feel different, I feel happy, and I'm

1111
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 1: I'm really pumped to uh trying to make this work

1112
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: because I said, I don't know, I just have this

1113
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: weird feeling to keep down. Eventually it's want of work.

1114
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna hold myself in some sort of

1115
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: timeline or it's like okay, in one year, if you

1116
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: haven't done anything, you have to leave, Like what if

1117
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: I like it here and I do something else, So

1118
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: I don't worry. You can't do any of these things

1119
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: like the timeline like that, because what happens is, you know,

1120
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: there's a some cost when you do that, and so

1121
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 1: you you sometimes falsely account for the time you've spent

1122
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: in saying I can't give up this time, but you've

1123
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: already spent the time, so it's gone. Um. You just know,

1124
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: like in that world, the time isn't necessarily the thing,

1125
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: and so you can't say it's going to be a

1126
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: five year thing or a two year thing or a

1127
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: twelve month thing because you don't know what the next

1128
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: day is going to bring in an area where the

1129
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: work doesn't always pay off in sort of a linear equation. Yeah,

1130
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right, You're totally right. You know, it

1131
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: could be it could be a worse in a year,

1132
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: or I go, wow, you know, I'm further way than

1133
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: I thought. But do I still like waking up every

1134
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: day and trying to think about this stuff? Yeah? And

1135
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: then but if I hate it and I won't do it,

1136
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: you know. Uh, And people always asking about why I'm

1137
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: not married, and I guess, I guess it's kind of

1138
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: weird to be like, I just I'm so happy that

1139
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: I don't have somebody telling me, hey, what are you

1140
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: gonna do if this doesn't work? You know? Or oh

1141
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna write agend today you said you're gonna give

1142
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: it a year. I'm in personally the worst wife ever

1143
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: right now, But I was gonna say, like, your impression

1144
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: of marriage is not actually like, my wife has supported

1145
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: me at every single life good idea I've ever taken. Hey, honey,

1146
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna I'm gonna be committed chief of the magazine,

1147
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: and we're gonna move from our very happy life in Montclair,

1148
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: New Jersey, to the middle of Connecticut. We don't we

1149
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: don't know anybody. Hey, honey, I'm gonna quit my job

1150
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: and making a ridiculous amount of money at ESPN to

1151
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: go work in this startup. What do you think of that? Oh?

1152
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: And by the way, my job is gonna be in

1153
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: New York. Do we think we should move back or

1154
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: stay in the middle of Connecticut? Um, you can get

1155
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: that kind of support too. Yeah. And the other thing too,

1156
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: is that it's weird is that maybe this was like

1157
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: the mental break and then you know ESPN and I go, hey,

1158
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: you know what, it goes still like each other and

1159
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: there's a role and I go, yeah, I kind of

1160
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: miss it. And you know, that's why it's been really

1161
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: cool that the that the breakup isn't officially yet because

1162
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: the contract still runs and I'm still doing the podcast.

1163
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: Look if I'd been herring now and and left the money,

1164
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: you know, that's that would have been a weird conversation

1165
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: with the life. Are you serious really doing this? Yeah?

1166
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: You know, and you know and you're like, yeah, good point.

1167
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: I guess I'll stay pick out something nice are in Hartford, which,

1168
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: by the way, wouldn't have been horrible, Like those are

1169
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: the things, like you know it isn't You're right, yeah,

1170
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: because yeah, you're You're smart to point that out, because

1171
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: you know, a challenging life at ESPN is still a

1172
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: great life. It's just I've never lived outside of New

1173
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: England and I was in this area, the South Bay

1174
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: in l A for so long, just checking it out,

1175
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: and I go, you do, just do it, Just do it?

1176
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: Like what's the worse is gonna happen? You don't like it? Okay,

1177
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: And I just don't see why I'm not gonna like it. Well,

1178
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: the good news is the good news is you're not

1179
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: married or divorced, and so you don't really have anyone

1180
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: to let down except yourself. Yeah, and luckily I got

1181
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: this new house prior to meeting somebody who was my

1182
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: inspiration when I accept some award and award show. You know,

1183
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: unless I stay single, that would be wouldn't that be legendary?

1184
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: Just get up there and be like, I have no

1185
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: one to think because no one, no one was my inspiration,

1186
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: no one guided me. I owe none of you nothing,

1187
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: all I all of you nothing. I am my own man.

1188
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: You can all suck it. Yeah, you can do it

1189
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: on yourself, on your own. Uh, never mind, I lost

1190
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: I lost my I just started thinking about being up

1191
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: there and laughing because I wouldn't I would who would

1192
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,479
Speaker 1: want to be that big of the church. I would

1193
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: have done that maybe at thirty, but I wasn't successful

1194
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: on it. Well, I will tell you when my buddy

1195
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: da And accepted an Emmy, Like he talked about dungeons

1196
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: and dragons and stuff, and I emailed him. I'm like,

1197
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: I'm playing it for my son because my son's a

1198
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: huge Dungeons and Dragons kid, and so like I keep like,

1199
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: you know, he's met Dan and like they've talked about

1200
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: the Game of Thrones books together, and and like I

1201
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: love seeing Dan talked about that on television because maybe

1202
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: my kid will get inspired. Just sort of figure out

1203
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: ways to use dungeons and dragons in a way other

1204
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: than sort of just playing the game. Um, Bryan Rusilo,

1205
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: you're on in l A. You can go make it

1206
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: as a television writer. Uh, I'm excited for you. I

1207
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be great. Either way, it's gonna work out.

1208
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: I really do feel that way. And I don't know

1209
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: that anybody would call me Tony Robbins. Uh that that's

1210
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with me, but UM, I

1211
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: don't know. Man, every time I was out here, I

1212
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: got I got super motivated. And you know, I'll do

1213
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: a million fake launches for the on it works. So

1214
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: I can't wait. That is Alex Lesson, a million fake

1215
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: lynches for the one that works.