1
00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,560
Speaker 1: It's that time time, time, time.

2
00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,320
Speaker 2: Luck and load.

3
00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,880
Speaker 1: So Michael Varry Show is on the air.

4
00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,760
Speaker 3: Jim Mudd is a big fan of the Office. I

5
00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,960
Speaker 3: never watched, by the way, I never watched the Sopranos Seinfeld.

6
00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,440
Speaker 3: There's a lot that I've never watched even one episode of,

7
00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,040
Speaker 3: and it's not something to brag about. I just never

8
00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:57,040
Speaker 3: did network TV after about the Dukes of Hazzard or

9
00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,320
Speaker 3: so when I when I left home from when I

10
00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,840
Speaker 3: left home to go to college, I don't think I

11
00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:09,319
Speaker 3: ever watched another network regularly scheduled network TV show in

12
00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,240
Speaker 3: our home. You know, Thursday night you had. I always

13
00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,240
Speaker 3: thought Falcon Crest was stupid, but you had. I think

14
00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,800
Speaker 3: Dallas was on Thursday night NTS Landing. We didn't do

15
00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,600
Speaker 3: Notts Landing either. That that was rich people shows, and

16
00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,400
Speaker 3: my dad didn't like rich people. That's probably Republican shows.

17
00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,240
Speaker 3: We weren't going to watch that kind of stuff. But

18
00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:29,360
Speaker 3: somehow Dallas wasn't.

19
00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:29,800
Speaker 1: I don't know.

20
00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:35,000
Speaker 3: I don't know how that one slipped through, but we

21
00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,120
Speaker 3: watched my brother in law, I think it was my

22
00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,280
Speaker 3: brother and I I think it was Thursday Nights. Uh

23
00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,920
Speaker 3: was greatest American hero that was a good song. Sing

24
00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,080
Speaker 3: along with me, believe it or not, walk in on

25
00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,720
Speaker 3: it and he and I when when the music would start,

26
00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,080
Speaker 3: you know, because you'd be doing your homework and stuff

27
00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:54,400
Speaker 3: in one.

28
00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,000
Speaker 1: Or the other of us we go.

29
00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,920
Speaker 3: You hear that song start, you'd get get a running start,

30
00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,000
Speaker 3: run getting your bean bag with a yellow bean bag

31
00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:02,720
Speaker 3: in an orange.

32
00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,680
Speaker 1: Bean bag, put them right in front of the TV man.

33
00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:07,720
Speaker 1: That's big time.

34
00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:09,800
Speaker 4: Logo.

35
00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,360
Speaker 1: What's happened to me?

36
00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,040
Speaker 3: Maybe scoop out some bluebellt ice cream, believed myself.

37
00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,480
Speaker 1: Oh, we had good times. We didn't have any bluebellt

38
00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,079
Speaker 1: ice cream because Walgreens didn't have it.

39
00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,560
Speaker 3: On sale, because they'd do, like back in those days,

40
00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,160
Speaker 3: two for three dollars. Remember when I came to Houston,

41
00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:33,440
Speaker 3: you'd get two for five dollars. And if we didn't

42
00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:39,680
Speaker 3: have that, there was always malted milk, carnation malted milk.

43
00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,320
Speaker 3: You just put a little milk in with that. You

44
00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,280
Speaker 3: got a malt on your hands. If we didn't have that,

45
00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:52,120
Speaker 3: get some tostitos out and shave some cheese. This was

46
00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,200
Speaker 3: before you could buy shredded cheese. I remember, I remember

47
00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,920
Speaker 3: the first time I ever saw shredded cheese and somebody's fridge,

48
00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,400
Speaker 3: and thinking, man, how come they hadn't thought of that

49
00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,359
Speaker 3: till now, all the time I spent, all the times

50
00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,240
Speaker 3: I nicked my finger, And now you can just buy

51
00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,920
Speaker 3: it shredded because they got an industrial facility.

52
00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,560
Speaker 1: They can cut that stuff up, make it real easy.

53
00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,520
Speaker 3: But we'd put a little lump of cheese on each

54
00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,400
Speaker 3: one of our tostitos, and then we ate our meals

55
00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,480
Speaker 3: out of a white paper plate and then the brown

56
00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,040
Speaker 3: woven did y'all have that the brown that it would

57
00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,040
Speaker 3: fit down in there?

58
00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:32,919
Speaker 2: Oh?

59
00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,040
Speaker 3: Man, that's that's perfect because then when you're done, you

60
00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,600
Speaker 3: just throw your paper away and then you put that

61
00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,080
Speaker 3: brown woven thing. Have you ever owned a nice set

62
00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:42,760
Speaker 3: of dishes?

63
00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:43,760
Speaker 4: Me?

64
00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,760
Speaker 1: Neither. You know, when we got married, I was young.

65
00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,520
Speaker 3: Nothing's family wasn't here, so you know, it was just us,

66
00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,520
Speaker 3: and we didn't want to burden either one of our parents,

67
00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,520
Speaker 3: so we didn't do all the stuff people normally do.

68
00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,800
Speaker 1: But people that I knew, I mean, I can remember.

69
00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,280
Speaker 3: Being thirty years old. We'd go to a dinner party

70
00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,680
Speaker 3: at somebody's house and they'd have really nice china in

71
00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:15,560
Speaker 3: a china cabinet. That stuff's expensive, I mean, really expensive,

72
00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,120
Speaker 3: and I can remember saying to people, you know, well,

73
00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,200
Speaker 3: where did you get this? I'm trying to think of

74
00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,000
Speaker 3: the names of that stuff, Jasper were or whatever they could.

75
00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:31,080
Speaker 3: There's there's what's the one out of England that that

76
00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,200
Speaker 3: that's the big deal to have and it would be

77
00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,800
Speaker 3: one of two ways, either that their grandmother they'd inherited

78
00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,680
Speaker 3: it from their grandmother because she'd had a set or

79
00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,960
Speaker 3: at their at their shower. But we didn't do all that.

80
00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:52,919
Speaker 3: So these these well to do river Oaks West Side

81
00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,359
Speaker 3: families there would be a grandmother or an aunt or

82
00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,440
Speaker 3: someone or that they'd pitch in together and they by

83
00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:08,760
Speaker 3: really expensive silverware and serving dishes and plates and all

84
00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,560
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff. And that's fine. But my problem

85
00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,320
Speaker 3: when you go to a party and they do that

86
00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,560
Speaker 3: is now I gotta worry. I don't chip the plate,

87
00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,000
Speaker 3: drop the plate, bang the plate. The good news with

88
00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,680
Speaker 3: that little brown thatched thing and a piece of white

89
00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,080
Speaker 3: paper on top of it. Man, you don't have to

90
00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,479
Speaker 3: worry about anything. And you know, we have very basic

91
00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,760
Speaker 3: plates probably I don't know where we got Craton barrel

92
00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,039
Speaker 3: twenty years ago or something, and people laugh at me

93
00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,200
Speaker 3: because it's just not something that matters to me. It's

94
00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:44,520
Speaker 3: not something that matters to my wife. And she found

95
00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,680
Speaker 3: a few years ago these bamboo plates. You seen them

96
00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:53,200
Speaker 3: at my house, these bamboo plates, and it's like that

97
00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,719
Speaker 3: white paper plate thing. You think it's about that thick,

98
00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,480
Speaker 3: but it's enough to hold your food on it. And

99
00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,600
Speaker 3: I don't know how much they are a piece. I'm

100
00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,279
Speaker 3: going to make up a number. It's less than a

101
00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,560
Speaker 3: dollar apiece. They're not nothing. They're more than that white

102
00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,440
Speaker 3: paper plate. But let's say they're fifty cents. So if

103
00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,200
Speaker 3: it's a night that you don't feel like doing the dishes,

104
00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,800
Speaker 3: you can throw them away. You rather wash them, but

105
00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,400
Speaker 3: you could throw them away. And they got a whole

106
00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,520
Speaker 3: set of those, and we probably have two hundred of

107
00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:27,040
Speaker 3: those in a cabinet that if we're around the house

108
00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,279
Speaker 3: and nobody's over, or if we have a big group,

109
00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,880
Speaker 3: or if now Michael's friends aren't coming over because Michael's

110
00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,360
Speaker 3: in college, but if Crockett's friends come over, then we'll

111
00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,560
Speaker 3: we pull that out because they're kids, you know, they

112
00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,080
Speaker 3: don't they don't care. Ramon, you did not get one

113
00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:48,440
Speaker 3: call on the Colts anyway. Jim's favorite character was Creed

114
00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,080
Speaker 3: Bratton on the office, and this is his line.

115
00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,720
Speaker 4: I've been involved in a number of colts, both as

116
00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:55,839
Speaker 4: a leader and a follower.

117
00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,560
Speaker 2: You have more fun as a follower, but can make

118
00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:59,680
Speaker 2: more money as a leader.

119
00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,760
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm not the only one.

120
00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:07,520
Speaker 3: Because I see a if I get a Netflix Prime YouTube,

121
00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,800
Speaker 3: if I get something on some cult leader, I'm watching it.

122
00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:15,560
Speaker 3: I mean it is I don't know why I've watched more.

123
00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,600
Speaker 3: I know more about Jim Jones than a person ought

124
00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,600
Speaker 3: to know. That is not useful information that I can monetize.

125
00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,520
Speaker 3: It's not useful information that makes me better. It's not

126
00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,800
Speaker 3: useful information it makes me more interesting. I mean, I

127
00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,080
Speaker 3: know the name of the congressman that's the only congressman

128
00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,040
Speaker 3: that's ever been assassinated, and he was out at the

129
00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,520
Speaker 3: plane leaving when they went out and shot him and

130
00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,400
Speaker 3: Jim Ryan Because why why do I know this? Because

131
00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,040
Speaker 3: I've watched too many documentaries on cults. I don't know why.

132
00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,120
Speaker 3: And you know who I find the least interesting of

133
00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:52,160
Speaker 3: all cults. Oddly enough, Helter Skelter. I find Manson to

134
00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,520
Speaker 3: be the least interesting of them all.

135
00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

136
00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,960
Speaker 3: I really was hoping we'd get a cult member or

137
00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,040
Speaker 3: at least a family member. I did have a few

138
00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,640
Speaker 3: people email from Amway. I did have a few people

139
00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,640
Speaker 3: email from the Mormon about Mormons. You know, now you've

140
00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,520
Speaker 3: got a thing going on now when somebody leaves the

141
00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:14,200
Speaker 3: Mormon church.

142
00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,600
Speaker 1: There, I get it all the time. I don't know.

143
00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,240
Speaker 3: People think I'm anti Mormon or something. I really don't care.

144
00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,880
Speaker 3: You know, some people get mad that you even call

145
00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:26,760
Speaker 3: him Mormon. Remember I asked the question if Mitt Romney

146
00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,600
Speaker 3: could get elected because he was Mormon, and I got

147
00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:43,040
Speaker 3: national criticism. I received an email, I'm a lady that says, Czar,

148
00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:49,200
Speaker 3: today is my ninetieth birthday. I would appreciate it if

149
00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,160
Speaker 3: you could just wish me a happy birthday on your show.

150
00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,240
Speaker 1: That's all I want. I love how you have such

151
00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,800
Speaker 1: respect for senior people. She means old people.

152
00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:05,520
Speaker 3: Thank you, Belvi, Landry, well, Belvi. I appreciate the request,

153
00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,480
Speaker 3: but I cannot do it. If I were to say

154
00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:13,000
Speaker 3: happy birthday, Belvi, Landry, happy ninetieth birthday, then I would

155
00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,520
Speaker 3: be overwhelmed with birthday requests. And it's not that I

156
00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:21,080
Speaker 3: even mind what happens. Is I get busy.

157
00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:22,959
Speaker 1: I got papers all over the.

158
00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,040
Speaker 3: Place, and then I forget, and then people get upset,

159
00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,600
Speaker 3: and I get mad that they're upset, and then here

160
00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:34,720
Speaker 3: we are, and I've learned it's just easier. Roy Belvi Landry.

161
00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:42,240
Speaker 3: We'mon ninety years old today. Roy Chance sent me, uh No,

162
00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:42,960
Speaker 3: I talked to him.

163
00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:43,720
Speaker 1: I talked to him.

164
00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:49,240
Speaker 3: This was two nights ago, and he said a lady

165
00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,640
Speaker 3: listener of ours had called him and they're trying to

166
00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,959
Speaker 3: talk their one hundred year old mother to do a

167
00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,400
Speaker 3: heritage film, no knotsky diet, and apparently she.

168
00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,920
Speaker 1: Is a hoot. And he's really really rooting for this one.

169
00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,240
Speaker 1: He's hoping this one comes through Roy right. Zar.

170
00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,680
Speaker 3: When we got our first microwave, we discovered nachos. We

171
00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,800
Speaker 3: would slap cheese whiz on top of Doritos and microwave

172
00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,280
Speaker 3: those bad boys. I'd get through different strokes, good times

173
00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,720
Speaker 3: and Sanford and Son in one sitting on those nachos. Sean,

174
00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:26,320
Speaker 3: you're on the Michael Berry Show.

175
00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:26,959
Speaker 1: What say you, sir?

176
00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:30,680
Speaker 5: How do you do? Mister Barry?

177
00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,040
Speaker 1: Good? What you got?

178
00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,480
Speaker 5: It's kind of weird listening to you out here. I'm

179
00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:42,240
Speaker 5: about fifty miles out or doing a delivery, and I

180
00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,960
Speaker 5: just happened to catch you on seven ninety and I

181
00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,760
Speaker 5: heard you talking about Colts. I saw a cult movie,

182
00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:55,080
Speaker 5: a cult film documentary about David Koresh, and the one

183
00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,960
Speaker 5: weird thing I saw was that none of Koresh's people

184
00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:07,080
Speaker 5: were Americans. They were all either foreigners or from overseas.

185
00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,280
Speaker 5: I didn't know if you realized that.

186
00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,360
Speaker 1: Well, that's not true, first of all, and.

187
00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,640
Speaker 3: This is one of the times I'm going to pull

188
00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:25,079
Speaker 3: rank because of a vast expanse of knowledge.

189
00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,560
Speaker 1: On this stupid issue. But I'm mildly obsessed with it.

190
00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:34,000
Speaker 3: There were a number of Englishmen, there were a number

191
00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:38,679
Speaker 3: of Australians. But I've seen interviews with too many of

192
00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,599
Speaker 3: the people who were there, and I can tell you

193
00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,960
Speaker 3: their accents that they were. They were clearly American. You know,

194
00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:50,560
Speaker 3: the way he took over that cult is a study

195
00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:55,240
Speaker 3: in and of itself. He that cult existed long before him.

196
00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,040
Speaker 3: He's not the founder of that cult. He came in

197
00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,320
Speaker 3: and weaseled his way into the top of it, and

198
00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,880
Speaker 3: then and then they kind of broke off.

199
00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:04,000
Speaker 2: And.

200
00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:11,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's an interesting deal. I Dick de

201
00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,479
Speaker 3: Garrett is a friend of mine and he's he's an

202
00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,920
Speaker 3: amazing lawyer, and he's had some amazing cases. And Dick

203
00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,440
Speaker 3: de Garrett is the guy you'll remember the lawyer who

204
00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,480
Speaker 3: went up to the door and went inside and talked

205
00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,480
Speaker 3: to him and came out. They were trying to negotiate

206
00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,040
Speaker 3: an end to all of this and the story he told,

207
00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,000
Speaker 3: I mean talk about song Freud. This guy is walking

208
00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:41,040
Speaker 3: into the house. He could get shot from inside, he

209
00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,600
Speaker 3: gets shot from outside, and he said he was more

210
00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,719
Speaker 3: worried defense we're gonna shoot him that than that.

211
00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:47,880
Speaker 1: Carescious people were.

212
00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,319
Speaker 3: And anyway, he has some really I'll see if I

213
00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,240
Speaker 3: can dig that that interview up, that that discussion, because

214
00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,439
Speaker 3: he had some very interesting.

215
00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:00,280
Speaker 1: Perspectives on that. Let's go to Rob i'b you on

216
00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:00,880
Speaker 1: Michael Berry Show.

217
00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:05,600
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Hey, Michael, Hey, I just wanted to call in.

218
00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,440
Speaker 2: I heard you speaking about cults and that sort of thing.

219
00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,280
Speaker 2: And I was part of a cult with my brother's

220
00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:17,600
Speaker 2: sister and mother. It came to be we were originally

221
00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,600
Speaker 2: I was born up north in New Jersey, and my

222
00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:27,040
Speaker 2: parents were divorced at a young age, probably about four

223
00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,600
Speaker 2: or five years old, and so of course we lived

224
00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,400
Speaker 2: with our mom. We didn't see our dad too often,

225
00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,080
Speaker 2: but she we you know, we went to church every Sunday.

226
00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:44,160
Speaker 2: I was baptized in an Episcopalian church, and we started

227
00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,720
Speaker 2: going to these Bible meetings and it was kind of

228
00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,840
Speaker 2: for parents without partners, like single moms and that sort

229
00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,760
Speaker 2: of thing. And she ran into a group of people

230
00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,679
Speaker 2: and we started having these Bible meetings at a one

231
00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:07,760
Speaker 2: of the people's houses of this small group, and they

232
00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:13,640
Speaker 2: were in the process of getting a church together. And

233
00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:19,880
Speaker 2: so there was about maybe six to eight families involved,

234
00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,440
Speaker 2: and there were husband and wives with children, and there

235
00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:30,960
Speaker 2: were a few single moms with kids, and everybody sold

236
00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,680
Speaker 2: everything they had, sold their houses, sold their cars, and

237
00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,360
Speaker 2: put all their money into this church. And the whole

238
00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:40,080
Speaker 2: group moved from New Jersey. Now there was people from

239
00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,480
Speaker 2: other parts of the country, but it started in that

240
00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,640
Speaker 2: area and ended up renting a property over in Carmene, Texas.

241
00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,600
Speaker 2: It was about two hundred and fifty acres and there

242
00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,520
Speaker 2: was like a warehouse built in a main house and

243
00:14:55,520 --> 00:15:01,760
Speaker 2: then like a born area excuse me, they it was

244
00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,760
Speaker 2: kind of like a Christian based type of church. Was

245
00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,960
Speaker 2: called the Covenant of Restoration Church. And the guy that

246
00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,760
Speaker 2: started him and his wife and then the wife's sister

247
00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,640
Speaker 2: and her husband were kind of starting the whole thing.

248
00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,000
Speaker 2: We and of course, you know, moving from up there

249
00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,720
Speaker 2: down to Texas, we were kind of excited. We did

250
00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:29,160
Speaker 2: take a trip down here in the late sixties to

251
00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,160
Speaker 2: meet with everybody, and then we went back home and

252
00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,760
Speaker 2: then ended up driving down in a caravan with a

253
00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,560
Speaker 2: group of some of the church members. So as this

254
00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:43,520
Speaker 2: whole thing progressed, they were had they would have nightly meetings.

255
00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:48,800
Speaker 2: They would go through a process of you'd beat uh

256
00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,800
Speaker 2: called out to confess your sins, and then they'd go

257
00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,480
Speaker 2: through what they called a travailing process, which you'd beat

258
00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,240
Speaker 2: a pillow to get your anger out, to repent of

259
00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,360
Speaker 2: your sins, that sort of thing. And as this went on,

260
00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:12,960
Speaker 2: it became more violent. Whereas they started beating the children

261
00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:15,400
Speaker 2: call on just mid day.

262
00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,640
Speaker 1: I think we might have opened the floodgates on the

263
00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:26,720
Speaker 1: cuffs coming in. All right, we're talking about cults.

264
00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,960
Speaker 3: But first, my friend, the Aggie plumber Michael Robinson, lives

265
00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,360
Speaker 3: out in College Station and sends me an email with

266
00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,000
Speaker 3: a link to a Facebook post. He thought it was

267
00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,800
Speaker 3: next door, but I guess it's a Facebook post. And

268
00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,320
Speaker 3: a fellow named Ken Poonish had written this. He said,

269
00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,240
Speaker 3: I'm always willing to try and help someone who is

270
00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,720
Speaker 3: young and hard working try to start their own business.

271
00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,480
Speaker 3: So if you need any pressure washing work done, let

272
00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,560
Speaker 3: me recommend a young man to you. He came by

273
00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,920
Speaker 3: yesterday and did my driveway, which had never been professional

274
00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,400
Speaker 3: clean since the house was built in two thousand and three.

275
00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,200
Speaker 3: There's nothing nicer than when you when you get a

276
00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,080
Speaker 3: nice pressure wash on a driveway.

277
00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:10,719
Speaker 1: He did.

278
00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,680
Speaker 3: That's a very very white experience. That's that's the kind

279
00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,200
Speaker 3: of thing that white people love.

280
00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,680
Speaker 1: I love, love, love.

281
00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,200
Speaker 3: To see us driveway after it's been pressure washed, even

282
00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,119
Speaker 3: if it's somebody else's.

283
00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,080
Speaker 1: He did very nice work.

284
00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:26,840
Speaker 3: And I would like to say at a good price,

285
00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,679
Speaker 3: but I don't know, since I've never paid to have

286
00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,159
Speaker 3: my driveway cleaned. So he's he not over promising. I mean,

287
00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,600
Speaker 3: this guy might be he doesn't know the market right,

288
00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,600
Speaker 3: but he's saying I like this this fella. He did

289
00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,160
Speaker 3: some good work. I like the price.

290
00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,120
Speaker 1: But you know, hey, I know how y'all are y'all

291
00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:44,359
Speaker 1: love to go? No, no, I come out.

292
00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,359
Speaker 3: You know he's he's getting ready. He charged one hundred

293
00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,600
Speaker 3: dollars to do the driveway and sidewalk. Mistake fella, mistake

294
00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,480
Speaker 3: ken ponish. Because there's there's people out there on Facebook

295
00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:59,400
Speaker 3: that are miserable, I mean miserable SAPs. They're eating their

296
00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,680
Speaker 3: stove for they hadn't had a home cooked meal. They

297
00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,880
Speaker 3: haven't had they haven't held a woman in thirty years.

298
00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,800
Speaker 3: They are a sad sack. But they got that Internet

299
00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,359
Speaker 3: connection by God, and they're on there. And whatever you post.

300
00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,680
Speaker 1: If you say I bought something nice and it's ten dollars,

301
00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,280
Speaker 1: I got it for nine.

302
00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,639
Speaker 3: Oh okay, you you must be a barrel of laughs,

303
00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,040
Speaker 3: a whole lot of fun anyway, so he gives the price.

304
00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,080
Speaker 1: But here's the part that had me. You're ready. Just

305
00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:33,440
Speaker 1: a heads up. He's a very nice guy and very respectful,

306
00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,520
Speaker 1: but he is also can you guess what he is?

307
00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:45,080
Speaker 1: How would he know if he's home? No, that's not

308
00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:50,080
Speaker 1: he might be I don't know. Huh what do you

309
00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:55,120
Speaker 1: think it is? Why would you say black? On on Earth?

310
00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:59,320
Speaker 3: Would it be black? Just a heads up. He is

311
00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:04,520
Speaker 3: very nice and very respectful, but he is also.

312
00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:09,239
Speaker 2: Right.

313
00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,280
Speaker 3: Why would it be Mexican? If he's Mexican, you'd assume

314
00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:22,679
Speaker 3: he's Mexican. Ooh not Mormon. If Mormons come to your

315
00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,199
Speaker 3: house and knock on the door, it is not to

316
00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,240
Speaker 3: pressure wash your house.

317
00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:26,640
Speaker 1: That'd be nice if.

318
00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:27,000
Speaker 3: It was.

319
00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,320
Speaker 1: You whose Mormon is Ken Jennings.

320
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,280
Speaker 3: You know, Mormons have the highest per capita income of

321
00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,320
Speaker 3: any religious affiliation in the country. And the good thing

322
00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,119
Speaker 3: about Mormons, unlike some people, is when you brag on

323
00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,119
Speaker 3: Mormons how successful they are, they don't get mad. You go,

324
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,679
Speaker 3: you know, your people are gonna take over the world,

325
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,360
Speaker 3: y'all control everything.

326
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,040
Speaker 1: They don't go raw, don't say that, they go, that's

327
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,880
Speaker 1: very nice of you. It's it's yeah, that's that's wow.

328
00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,480
Speaker 1: Thank you. Justin heads up. He's very nice and very respectful.

329
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:00,199
Speaker 1: But he is also so.

330
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 3: A very large young man. It kind of gets your attention.

331
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,119
Speaker 3: So I had to ask. He said he was six

332
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,399
Speaker 3: nine and weighs four hundred pounds, so kind of a

333
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,119
Speaker 3: gentle giant. So if you need anything picked up moved,

334
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,880
Speaker 3: he might be willing to help you with that too.

335
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,399
Speaker 1: Now, what would make you think he wants to do

336
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 1: your moving just because he's a big old boy.

337
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 3: See, that's why you want to be a little fellow

338
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 3: Like Ah, I got this guy. He's a pressure washer.

339
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 3: He's really good. His price as good as a young man.

340
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 3: I'd like to help him out, but he's built like

341
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,359
Speaker 3: Kat Williams, so he's probably not gonna be able to

342
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 3: help much. And then there it is Country Power Cleaning

343
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 3: eight three oh seven four three eighty eight ninety one

344
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 3: says power washed driveways, fence, walkway porches, concrete free estimates,

345
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:54,640
Speaker 3: military and seniors discount. He's got it all, Country Power Cleaners.

346
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 1: It's called now you.

347
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 3: Go eight three oh seven four three eighty eight ninety one.

348
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,640
Speaker 3: Jack Gantcy is that fella's name, gentle giant? Six nine

349
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:07,400
Speaker 3: four hundred pounds. I'm glad he told that. Can you imagine? Oh, well,

350
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 3: you know, ponies?

351
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 1: He good.

352
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 3: He good guy, keeps his yard mowed down and keeps

353
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 3: washes his car every Saturday, gets up, washes his car,

354
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 3: moses grass.

355
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 1: He don't watch Cotege football. I don't trust the guy

356
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:19,640
Speaker 1: doesn't do that.

357
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 3: He'll get up under the eves, you know, and and

358
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 3: and clean that out. He's, uh yeah, he'll he'll touch

359
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 3: up as he he's a good neighbor.

360
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 1: He's he's a good neighbor, look after you stuff. You know.

361
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 3: He doesn't let his newspaper sit out in the driveway

362
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 3: like grives me crazy.

363
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 2: For you.

364
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 3: If he's going out of town, he calls and cancels

365
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 3: it because I can't stand that newspaper piling up. It

366
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 3: just runs down the neighborhood. Everything always looks nice, you know.

367
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 3: He uh, he get he does the armor ale on

368
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 3: the tires and the whole thing. I mean, he takes

369
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 3: care of his stuff, you know what I mean. He

370
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 3: takes care of his stuff. Garage door comes open. He uh,

371
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 3: he parks into garage like you're supposed to do. Garage

372
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 3: door comes open. You look in there. He's got his

373
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 3: stuff labeled and and and nice. I think he had

374
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 3: that sunflower floor coating come in and do the flooring

375
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 3: and all. He's got everything organized. He's got the stuff

376
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 3: hanging on the wall, that stuff piled up.

377
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 1: And uh. Yeah, he's a he's a nice fellow. He's

378
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: he's he's a good good guy.

379
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, old Ken Ponish. But he didn't tell me the

380
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 3: guy was gonna be six nine four pounds.

381
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: That's a big fella rut there. That guy comes walking

382
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,360
Speaker 1: up your driveway, you.

383
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 3: Better hope he's carrying a pressure washer, because that'd take

384
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 3: a few shots to take him down.

385
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 1: Old boys, twenty five piece shooter wouldn't get that. Yeah,

386
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that.

387
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 3: Little peace shooter would would take this this big, gentle

388
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 3: giant down. Let's go, oh, Rob, I didn't get to

389
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 3: the end of the travailing wrap me up there.

390
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 2: Well, that was something that we did at every Bible meeting,

391
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 2: and everybody had a pillow and you'd beat the pillow to,

392
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 2: you know, get your anger out and show some sort

393
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 2: of repentance of what you you know, confess to. And

394
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of the kids, me included, didn't

395
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 2: understand a lot of the things that we were supposed

396
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: to confess confess to. You know, we just didn't understand this.

397
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 2: It was like an Old Testament fire and brimstone. You know,

398
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: if you don't confess every sin or every bad thought

399
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 2: you ever had, you were gonna get struck down dead.

400
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 2: And at one point they had a little prayer room

401
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 2: off to the side with like a little makeshift altar,

402
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 2: and you go in there and talk to two of

403
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 2: the head people, and that's literally what they told me.

404
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 2: At one point. Of course, I'm shaking like a leaf,

405
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,719
Speaker 2: you know, I'm like, Holy crap I'm gonna get, you know,

406
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: struck down and by lightning and died because I didn't

407
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,479
Speaker 2: tell them every bad thought or every bad thing I've

408
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 2: ever done in my life up until that point. So

409
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: and it, you know, to be very scary, and most

410
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: of the adults were brainwashed to believe that everything was happening.

411
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 2: Was you know, that this was all the right thing

412
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 2: to do. You know, they quote certain verses out of

413
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: the Bible, and it just got to be more violent

414
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: as the weeks went by. They at one point they

415
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 2: shaved my head and I had to fast for a

416
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: week and stay out of school for a week and

417
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: dig this ditch to repent for the things that I did.

418
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: I literally had no food or water for a week.

419
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: Now during that time, I snuck some food in the

420
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: middle of the night, and of course I got caught.

421
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: They beat me for it.

422
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: Are you sure this wasn't just pinnecost.

423
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 3: Because I'm gonna tell you, I grew up in a

424
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 3: community of post There were probably more Pentecostals, we call

425
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 3: them Pennies. There were probably more Pennies my school. Then

426
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 3: there were Southern Baptists, and we were the second biggest.

427
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 3: But they man some of those parents. They were hard

428
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 3: on their kids. I mean hard on them. But let

429
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 3: me tell you something. You get you one in Penny Girls,

430
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: she's about sophomore junior year. She's ready to start putting

431
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 3: makeup on and stop wearing the sister wife outfit. Them

432
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 3: girls are going crazy over they make up for lost time.

433
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: See Fox is showing it on continuous loop. A mother

434
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 3: who is walking in to identify her child who's been killed,

435
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 3: and her legs buckle and she's doing the ugly cry.

436
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: Her face is so contorted, and there's a trooper walking

437
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 3: beside her trying to hold her up. He doesn't expect

438
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 3: her to collapse. It's getting worse and worse and worse

439
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 3: than boom, and they're showing it on loop. How dead

440
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 3: inside do you have to be to go?

441
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: Oh? Cut to camera three. Yeah, we got that woman

442
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: collapsing over there. That's the mother of one of the

443
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: dead kids. How sick do you have to be?

444
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 3: I read something somebody wrote yesterday. It said, dear media,

445
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 3: parking cameras outside of school after a mass shooting to

446
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 3: film crying kids. It's not journalism, it's grief porn. Tell

447
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 3: the story without exploiting the victims. The story is the shooting.

448
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 3: Let those kids leave with dignity. News isn't therapy voyeurism.

449
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 3: And I thought, damn, that's pretty deep. That must be

450
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 3: somebody pretty deep. And then I look over at the

451
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 3: Twitter handle. It's ramon, who'd you steal that from? I

452
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: mean that that is a succinct statement that gets to

453
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 3: the heart of the matter. Dear media, parking camera's outside

454
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 3: of school after a mass shooting to film crying kids

455
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 3: is not journalism, it's grief porn. Tell the story without

456
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 3: exploiting the victims. The story is the shooting. Let those

457
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 3: kids leave with dignity. News isn't therapy voyeurism. You got

458
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 3: thesaurus out.

459
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: On that one, Richard. What you got?

460
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, Yazar, I got a double. I got a

461
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: plate story and a cold story all on one. So

462
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: my wife in the mid the mid eighties, when she

463
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: was in high school, she tried to figure out what

464
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: place in glass is she gonna take the to go

465
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 2: to college. Well her her mom said, Hey, go to

466
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 2: Diamond Champra Shymerock, and every time you fill up, you

467
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: get a stamp, a little green stamp. She saves. I

468
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: guess she got enough gas. She got a whole plate, said,

469
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 2: and these plates we still have. I don't know what

470
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: kind of steel were, mortar stoneware. They're made at them,

471
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: but they're like made out of the same stuff that

472
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: Captain America shield is made out of. There, we still

473
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: have them. You could throw them at he could throw

474
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: them around and they don't break. And then she so

475
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 2: she had enough plates and glasses to take to her

476
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: to her colt that she went to that Aggie Cold

477
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 2: over there in College Station. So we still have them.

478
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. Thirty something years later they worked great.

479
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 3: I got an email from a fellow who said, my

480
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: sister in law was in a colt and she murdered

481
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: my brother and the children and her lover's wife and

482
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 3: conspired to murder her niece's husband. It was a huge

483
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 3: story that went viral and worldwide and lasted six years.

484
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: She had murder trials in Idaho, of which she was

485
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: convicted in serving five life sentences, and just last month

486
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: she was convicted of my brother's murder in Phoenix and

487
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: got life. Man, there's crazy people out there. There are

488
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: just crazy. I do believe this, though. I believe there

489
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: are people who are prone to cults. They're inclined toward it.

490
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: It's a certain personality. Do you ever notice how often

491
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: the women are wafish, they're on my what? Oh is

492
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: it Jerry or Gary?

493
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: Oh it's spelled with a G, but it might be Jerry. Yes, sir,

494
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: all right, I got about three and a half minutes.

495
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: But obviously this is a powerful story. What was the

496
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: name of the cult this woman was in.

497
00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 4: Preparing a people?

498
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: Okay, Michael, this is Bobby your brother.

499
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 4: Shut up, yes, go ahead, I'm sorry.

500
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: And and why did she commit the murders?

501
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: What?

502
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 4: What? What?

503
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: What? How did the cult leave murder.

504
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: My brother for money? And she murdered my brother for

505
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 4: his life insurance money. She murdered him because he was

506
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 4: a dark spirit and a zombie. And she it murdered

507
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 4: her own daughter and a seven year old Laurie.

508
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: Yes, I found her.

509
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 4: I got my little brother.

510
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: I can tell I love Bobby, Doomsday Prepper group. Laurie. Oh,

511
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: she's smoking hot. That never happens, right, holy wow, I

512
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: look her up.

513
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 4: Good night, Loriy Ballow, Dave Bell.

514
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chad day Bill. I actually remember this case oddly enough.

515
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 4: Right, it was it was everywhere my sister was on

516
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 4: doctor peel and just everywhere.

517
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, you know.

518
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 4: A big damn The story journalists were beaten by door

519
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 4: down to try and get me the in of you,

520
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 4: but I wouldn't do it. I stayed in the background.

521
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: How did she kill your brother?

522
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 4: Shot him? Well, she had her brother do it, shot

523
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 4: him in the chest. Then when he hit the floor

524
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 4: and was laying there dying, he shot him again in

525
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 4: the lower abdomen while he's laying on the floor. And

526
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 4: the freaking cops didn't even suspect anything was a foul.

527
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 4: They thought it was a domestic violence type guild. When

528
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 4: they rolled his body over and saw a bullet hole

529
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 4: in the floor, I mean, come on, oh, man.

530
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: And then, did did you say he murdered she murdered

531
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: their children?

532
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 4: Yes? Uh, the little seven year old boy was autistic,

533
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 4: and they duck taped his hands and feet together, put

534
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 4: a bag over his head, and duck taped it to

535
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 4: his face. Oh my goodness, his whole his whole mouth

536
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 4: and everything before they put the bag over his head.

537
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: And Bobby, come on, man, by the way, to be clear,

538
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 3: I'm not laughing at the murder of this child.

539
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: Obviously, don't think that's fine.

540
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: I'm laughing because Bobby chimes in at the background, and

541
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: I find it's it's a great routine.

542
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 4: I know.

543
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: He talked to oh.

544
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on, hold on, I gotta I gotta

545
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 3: pause you to we can come back. We can say God,

546
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: and we can refer to that place where beavers live.

547
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: But we can't do them both at the same time.

548
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 3: All right, So, so you get the news your your

549
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 3: brother's been murdered. Just does she kill kill the kids

550
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 3: at the same time.

551
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 4: No, they that wasn't until later, a couple of months later.

552
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: This woman's a demon, she's the she devil, Yes.

553
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 4: She was, but she thought she was a deity. She

554
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 4: thought she was above God and she could uh you know,

555
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 4: she inby it thinks they're above God. And that's just

556
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 4: that ain't right.

557
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it would be like to go

558
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: through this.

559
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: So, so did she kill the ldren herself or she

560
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: have her brother do that too?

561
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 4: Well, we're not sure. But they found a hair on

562
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 4: the duct her hair on the duct tape that was

563
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 4: used on jj A, the little boy, and uh,