1 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 2 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: one two. This gives me close, but what has happened 3 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: to our family would never close. A gorgeous young woman 4 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: strangled dead while on vacation right here in the US, 5 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: vacation in San Diego. Her mother now begging for your help. 6 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories, and joining me 7 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: right now is Josephine Funez Winstel, the mother of a 8 00:00:51,120 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: gorgeous young girl, her daughter murdered, Crystal strangled dead. She 9 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: wants answers, and I believe that you have those answers. 10 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: Joining me right now, Josephine Funez Winceel, the mother of 11 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: Crystal ms Wincel. Thank you for being with us, Thank 12 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: you for inviting me on. I appreciate your effort. Your 13 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: daughter was found dead on vacation in San Diego. We 14 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: have learned that this guy, Raymond McLoyd, is the killer, 15 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: but he's not in jail. He's not even even in 16 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: the county jail awaiting trial. Let me take you back 17 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: to the moment that you learned something had gone horribly wrong. Josephine, 18 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: what happened? Well, you know she had sent her children 19 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: to us UM in Washington State for the summer for 20 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: the summer. While she was working in Phoenix, she worked 21 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: as a property manager. And as you see, she's a 22 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: beautiful woman, and so she attracts a lot. And so 23 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: this man came to rent a place there and he 24 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: started stalking her. Unbeknownst to her, he was stalking her 25 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: as a victim already because he kept going in there 26 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: and going in there and staring at her in her office. 27 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: And so I remember her calling me and say, Mommy, 28 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: and this guy that's moving in here, he comes at 29 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: my office and he keeps staring at me, and you know, 30 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: and so it just kind of like, well, you know, Crystal, 31 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: oh wait a minute, Wait a minute, Josephine, you just 32 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: gave chills running down my arm. I mean, also with 33 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: me high profile lawyer out of Seattle, my colleague and 34 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: friend and Bremner, Vincent Hill, private investigator, renowned New York 35 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: psychologist Karen Stark and joining us judge Ashley Willcott and 36 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: of course Alan, do you can Jackie Howard and Bremner 37 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: right there? How scary is that to be sitting at 38 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: your job, sitting in your office and you have some 39 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: creepy dude. It reminds me and Bremner. I went home 40 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: to my hometown of Macon, and I drove the children 41 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: by the apartment I lived in a law school, and 42 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: they went, Mom, you live behind a gas station, and I, yes, 43 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: I did. It's a very high end gas station. Hello. 44 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: But you never know who's living around you, who these 45 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: people are. And this freaky dude comes up stairs at 46 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: Crystal every day is she's sitting there trying to rent apartment. 47 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: So it's just beyond scary. And I'm so thrilled to 48 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: be on with all of you, and Nancy with you, 49 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: my good friend and colleague, and I think the best place, 50 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: I think for her mom to be here with you, 51 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: to get the word out about her daughter and the 52 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: fact that this he's not even prosecuted now, and it's 53 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: just an amazingly scary, scary thing that she went through. 54 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: And the first person she called was her mom, who 55 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: I saw nobody should mess with because she's been working 56 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: really hard on this case. Man, you're not kidding. Back 57 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: to Crystal's mom, Josephine, Finn his wincel. So, Josephine, she 58 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: calls you as his mom. This guy keeps staring at 59 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: me in the office. What happened then, well, you know, 60 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: it just kind of like, I mean, she gets stared 61 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: at all the time. You know, she looks like a 62 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: bubble star and so um, and she had that bubbly personality. 63 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: She has a big smile on her face. She's I mean, 64 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: she's just beautiful inside out, and so it was kind 65 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: of like, well, you know, I mean, you're a beautiful girl. 66 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: People are gonna stare at you. I mean, I didn't 67 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 1: know the extent. Okay, this is something I'm discovering after 68 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: the fact, after I investigating his background and find out 69 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: that he's had domestic violence. He was out on fifty 70 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: thou dollar bond for trying to kill his strange life, 71 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: and his parents gave him ten thousand dollars to flee 72 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: and then retain an attorney and refused to cooperate. Oh 73 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: my stars, I did not know he had that kind 74 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: of a violent history. I mean, I mean the deal. 75 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: I mean, Vincent Hill, you're the private investigator. Wouldn't that 76 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: show up on his record? I mean, I guess there's 77 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 1: no way you can turn down someone just because they 78 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: have a record to live in an apartment well, Nancy. Unfortunately, 79 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: a lot of times when charges are pending, they don't 80 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: show up onto your record. So I'm sure, as most 81 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: departments do, they do background checks, but since those charges 82 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: were pending, they probably didn't show up on record when 83 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: she did that background series. Oh man, oh that hurts 84 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: me so, Joseph, and your daughter's calling saying, this guy 85 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: who has been coming to the office over and over 86 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: is now renting there. Then what happens? Well, and then 87 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, I mean it was, like I said, it 88 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: was no big deal for me because she works in 89 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: a place where there's people in and out, so I 90 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: didn't know the extent of it. And then um, she 91 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: had called me and she goes, oh, yeah, that guy 92 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: came in here and started talking to me, and he 93 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: has a son that he just dotes on. He loved 94 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: his son, Mom, He absolutely loved his son. And he's 95 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: a former marine, just like my sister Leanna. And you 96 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: know he's he's really nice guy, Mom, He's a really 97 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: nice guy. Because this is his mL okay, and we 98 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: have distarbed this guy is is beyond sex in his mind. 99 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: He takes pleasure in torturing women, torturing them. He would 100 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: he would find a day and take them to another part, 101 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: you know, of the of the country and leave him 102 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: stranded and drag to his friends. How he left a 103 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: beautiful woman stranded and what I noticed about him, and 104 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: even in tracking him and the women he's coming upon, 105 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: the women look similar. They have long, dark hair, and 106 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: and they're beautiful and their can skin, And those are 107 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: the women he goes after. And I am looking at 108 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: your daughter and she's she's going as she looks like 109 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: a model. She's got beautiful brown eyes, flawless skin, it 110 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: looks like she's carved out of marble, and long brunette hair. So, yes, 111 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:19,559 Speaker 1: she looks exactly as you're describing. Okay, So he would 112 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: brag about torturing people. Yes, he's a very sick man. 113 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: And you know he had a he had a domestic 114 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: violence in Phoenix, Arizona. For those of you just joining us, 115 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: a gorgeous young mother, Crystal goes missing. She is discovered 116 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: strangled dead while on vacation. She was in San Diego. 117 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: The guy we believe murdered her, Raymond mccloyd, a thirty 118 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: four year old U. S. Marine veteran, apparently takes the 119 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: car to the airport, rents a new car and drives away, 120 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: never to be prosecuted. So, Joseph, and you know, he's 121 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: basically stalking your daughter. Does she fall for him? Does 122 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: she get sucked in by his lies? Well, here's what 123 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: he did. Christine was raised around guns because of my 124 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: previous long enforced made background. So you know, she was 125 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: dealing with um. She had been dating, you know, meeting 126 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: people differently, and she there was somebody that she was 127 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: dating and this person was trying to get back with her. 128 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: She broke up a long time ago, and and she 129 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: didn't want anything to do with this person. And so 130 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: this man came across as the hero. He says, hey, 131 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: I collect a lot of guns. Would you like a 132 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: gun to protect yourself? And she's like, oh sure, And 133 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: he gained her confidence and he became the big brother, 134 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: a doting dad with protecting you and I'm gonna protect 135 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: you from the bad guys. And that's what he did 136 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: to her, and he charmed her into his life. And 137 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: I know, my daughter, this this is not something that 138 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: would have been a long term relationship. It was for her. 139 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: It was probably like, Hey, I'm gonna check this out. 140 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: This guy, I'm gonna see what he thought about, and 141 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: that's all it was. And that night that he killed her, 142 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: or that morning. I know my daughter she was trying 143 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: to get away from him when she saw what he 144 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: was about. She said, no way, because there was an 145 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: altercation at the place where they went to. That he 146 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 1: had gotten involved, he had punched somebody there at a bar, 147 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: club or someplace. And I cannot even imagine hold on. 148 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott joining me, founder of child crime watch dot com, 149 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: juvenile judge and practicing lawyer, Ashley, can you imagine if 150 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: your husband you're out and you get it, say, you 151 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: get into a fuss with somebody at the movie line, 152 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: and your husband turns around and pudges him in the mouth. 153 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: I would be mortified, not only mortified. To me, it's 154 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: a red flat walk away, walk away, walk away, because 155 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: that kind of anger management going unchecked is scary and 156 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 1: arrest Well, apparently that is exactly what Crystal tried to do. 157 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us, this beautiful, young, 158 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: dedicated mom just thirty years old, is murdered, strangled dead 159 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: on a vacation to San Diego. Her killer gets her 160 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: little car and drives away into the sunset, and I 161 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: am not having it. Listen to her mother, who's joining 162 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: us right now as she begs for your help to 163 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 1: bring her daughter's killer to justice. Listen, you know I've 164 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: been on the side where I had to give the 165 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: message to parents sometimes I want to give the message 166 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: that the child has been murdered. And I'm on this side, 167 00:10:55,679 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: and I received that message that night, and it's it's 168 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: been the hardest thing. Um. But I'm just appealing to 169 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: the public. I mean, we have America's best behind me. 170 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: We have one of the greatest teams there is. But 171 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: sometimes best is not good enough. Sometimes we just need more. 172 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: And and I'm appealing to the public, both in Central America, 173 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: at San Diego, anywhere, please help us bring peace. As 174 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: you see this, it's the children that have to sleep 175 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: at night, and I just want to bring peace. I 176 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: know that finding him is not going to bring my 177 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: daughter back, but it's gonna save the life of your daughter, 178 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: your granddaughter, your mother. This shouldn't happen. There's so many 179 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: victims to murder, and it continues on. It doesn't end. 180 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: This case may close, but what has happened to our 181 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: family would never close. And it's our faith that's taken 182 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: us through so far. But we really appeal to you guys, 183 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: please help help us for justice for Crystal and for 184 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: her son and her daughter who needs to know that 185 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: it is safe to sleep at night. You know, Josephine, 186 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: hearing your words just it brings tears to my eyes 187 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: because I can remember. And you're gonna laugh at this. 188 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: My other guests have heard this before. Karen Stark, New 189 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: York Psychologists. I know you've heard this story. I had 190 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: the twins and the babies or us, and I was 191 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: looking for organic sun Tanne Lucian okay, to protect them, 192 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: way down on the bottom shelf. And I had Lucy 193 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: beside me and John David. They were both playing and 194 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: they were wearing those little rubber crocs okay. And I 195 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 1: was down there digging around. And when I finally stood up, 196 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: I picked up Lucy. I turned around and there was 197 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: no John David. And I immediately thought of Adam Walsh, 198 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: John Walsh's son that was abducted when he was in 199 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: a store with his mom. He was one isle and 200 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: he was killed. Honey. I started screaming and crying. I 201 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: picked Lucy up like a football under my arm and 202 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: took off running screaming. They did a lockdown. Well we 203 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: found him, of course, he had snuck away on his 204 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: little crock silently. And I'll never forget that moment. And 205 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine if one of them had met the 206 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: fate that Crystal did and there was no justice and 207 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: hearing you beg for the public's help, it's just breaking 208 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: my heart. I want to find this thirty four year 209 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: old US Marine veteran, Raymond mccloyd, who I believe killed 210 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: this mother of two, Crystal Mitchell, just thirty years old, 211 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: while they were on vacation. So when did you learn, Josephine, 212 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: that something horrible happened. I woke up that morning and 213 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: I something was wrong. I was feeling something was wrong 214 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: with me. I didn't know what was wrong. That didn't 215 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: it wasn't anybody specific. I just thought it was me. 216 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: I want to I want to hear this because I 217 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: have long said that. For instance, when my fiancee was 218 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: murdered and I called my job at the library to 219 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: tell them I was running light from an exam and 220 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: they said, call Keith family. I knew right then that 221 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: Keith was dead. I don't know how I knew, but 222 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: I knew. Now you're saying you woke up and you 223 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: knew something was wrong. Tell me that feeling. It was 224 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: a vacant feeling. I wasn't. I couldn't put my finger 225 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: on it. It felt like my I was just vacant, 226 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: like like I just I called a friend and I said, 227 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: I don't know what was wrong with me. I I 228 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: don't know what I'm feeling. It's weird. It's I just 229 00:14:54,960 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: feel like something like vacant inside. And I had no 230 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: idea what it was. I just thought it was me, 231 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: you know. And so later on that day, um, I 232 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: had text her saying, hey, how's it going, how are 233 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: you doing? No response, and and then it wasn't uncommon, 234 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, she could have just been the beach or something. 235 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: So later that evening I knew something was wrong. It 236 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: was a gut feeling. It was just a gut feeling. 237 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: I got very sick. I started shaking. I was just trembling. 238 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: I called her friend and I'm like, Diana, Diana, have 239 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: you heard from Crystal? Have you heard from Crystal? Because 240 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: the last picture she showed me because she was on 241 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: the way either you know, driving, And I said, well, 242 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: what does this guy even look like Well, those pictures 243 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: that you see circulating all over the place where the 244 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: pictures she sent me. And so when the police told me, 245 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: I was able to just send them the pictures right away. Um. 246 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: But that night, you know, my husband had text her 247 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: and said, please, your mom's really worried, Please call her. 248 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: And about that time, the detectives saw that tax in 249 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: Calm And when I saw six one nine Nancy, I knew. 250 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: I just I just covered my ears and I started screaming, no, no, no. 251 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: And if I didn't have those Grandchidred's there, I would 252 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: have been in the car and I would have canna 253 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: slide down to San Diego from Vancouver, Washington. And I 254 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: just wanted to take her body out of that bard 255 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: because mind you, I've been in that job. I've got 256 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: on the other side of this role that I'm in now, 257 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: and it's a painful thing. So I know the scene. 258 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: You don't have to describe what happened. You don't have 259 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: to tell me what a scene a murder scene looked like. 260 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: I know, when I saw cones of the newspaper in 261 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: the parking lot, I knew it was a struggle because 262 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: that was my job, if you know where he's at, 263 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: if you know anything about him, if you know someone 264 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: that knows him, if you have family in Central America, 265 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: alert the world, get this man off the streets that 266 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: he doesn't strike again. With me is the mother of 267 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: a just beautiful, beautiful on the inside and the outside, 268 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: A loving and dedicated mother of two. Thirty year old Crystel, 269 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: murdered on her vacation to San Diego. Her mother, Josephine 270 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: Funez Winstel, is with us sharing her story. She's not 271 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: just sharing, she's enduring the pain of reliving these moments. 272 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: To ask for your help in finding Cristel's killer, Raymond mccloyd, 273 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: who gets a riddle car at the airport and disappears 274 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: into the sunset. But he is somewhere. He is within 275 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 1: the long arm of the law, and God help us, 276 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: we will help find him. I'm listening as her mother 277 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: describes getting a phone call from a six one nine 278 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: area code, and she says, at that moment she knew. Josephine, 279 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: you said you knew when you saw that area code. 280 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: What went through your mind and your body. I remember 281 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: it was before people had cell phones, and I was 282 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: told to call Keith's family, and I knew, and I 283 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: had to find a quarter, and I had to use 284 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: a pay phone, and I can still remember, you know 285 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: how a moth looks batting around a light. My hand 286 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: was just flittering around. I couldn't dial the numbers. I knew, 287 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: I knew you that my life was going to be 288 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: changed forever. When you saw six one nine? What went 289 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: through your mind and your body? How did you know 290 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: Crystal was gone? Because of all the feelings? And I 291 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: just I knew, I just I knew before I got 292 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: the call that she was say, I just I just 293 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: started trembling. I was sick to my stomach. I wanted 294 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: to throw up, you know. I liken it to being 295 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: punched in your stomach so hard that you could read. 296 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: And I stayed in that state for days. It's just no, 297 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: it's I don't even remember the first six months after 298 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: her death. I don't even remember anything. I don't even 299 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: remember who showed up my side. I don't remember anything. 300 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: It was so traumatic for me, you know, Josephine, I 301 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: thought it was just me because for huge chunks of 302 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: time after Keith's murder and right before his murder, I 303 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: can't remember, I can't. I only have one blurry memory 304 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: of going to his grave at the funeral. I only 305 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: have fragmented memories of the funeral itself, and then big 306 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: chunks of time events that happened I have no memory of. 307 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: And when you're describing this, I didn't feel like I 308 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: got punched in the stomach. I felt just just sick. 309 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: The smell of food, the side of food just make 310 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: me sick. I couldn't stand it. In fact, I lost 311 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: down to eighty nine pounds because I could not stand 312 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: the smell of food at sound, music, clocks, everything just 313 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: I understand. I really can't describe it here, and I 314 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: just wanted to touch it real quick because he was 315 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: out on bonds for that. It gets this. He assaulted 316 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: his first wife, He violated a restraining order, heard her 317 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: at their children and or their child one son, and 318 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: it was a misdemeanor. And all he had to do 319 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: was watch a DVD to get off of it. A video. 320 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: You had to watch a video. I'm so embarrassed for 321 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:27,479 Speaker 1: the justice system. Karen Start, New York Psychologists renowned mental 322 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: health worker Karen This feeling two things. First, this feeling 323 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: before you're told that we get not just Josephine and myself, 324 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: but a lot of people, hundreds of people that I 325 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: know of that you know before you're told what is 326 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: that in number two? Why do you lose memory of 327 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: the events surrounding a traumatic event? Well, the feeling that 328 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: you get. No one really understands it scientifically, but I 329 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: think about it as um synchronicity, the kind of connection 330 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: that you have with another person that somehow there's that absence, 331 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: as she was explaining, as Josephine was explaining, this feeling 332 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: of something is missing, like an emptiness. And you hear 333 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: that story so many times, Nancy, not just for the 334 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: two of you. I had it before I got the 335 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: phone call that my father had died. It's just um, 336 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: like we have a sense that nobody knows about UM. 337 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: And I know this all sounds very esp non scientific, 338 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: but UM, I do believe that it's about a connection 339 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: that all of a sudden is severed. About the memory 340 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: loss that Joseph and the memory loss that is very 341 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: common when you are talking about a traumatic event. It's 342 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: as though your brain shuts down. It's an overload. There's 343 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: something that's happening that you just can't process and so 344 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: in fact, literally there are parts of your brain that 345 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: the messages are not computing. You're not being able to 346 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: deal with the unthinkable that's just occurred the way it 347 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: happened to you with Keith, and it will stay with you, 348 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: the memory of that for the rest of your life. 349 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: The fact that you just went on autopilot and we're 350 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: not able to really process this huge, horrific event that 351 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: had happened to you with me. Is Karen Start, renowned 352 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: New York psychologist, Josephine Funez, once Sold, Crystal's mother, and Bremner, 353 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, Ashley Willcott Alan, do you can, Jackie Howard? 354 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: We are seeking justice in the murder of thirty year 355 00:23:53,080 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: old mother of two, Crystal, just loving, dedicated, beautiful on 356 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: the outside and the inside. Josephine, her mother, begging that 357 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: her killer be brought to justice. I'm looking at him 358 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: right now, Raymond mccloyd, thirty four years old, and in 359 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: the photos I'm sing of him, is such a turn off. Josephine. 360 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: He's got his shirt off, he's totally buff, like he 361 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: spends a lot of time working out in the gym. 362 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: He's completely buff. He's ten, He's still got the marine haircut. 363 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: I know they're not proud today because he's a marine 364 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 1: vet and he's covered in tattoos, full arm sleeves, covered 365 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: in tattoos, you know, looking like he's about to appear 366 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: to Steven Seagal movie. I mean that that's what That's 367 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: what I'm looking at. And he murdered your daughter. You 368 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: got that call? And what did police tell you? And 369 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: what did you do? Josephine, Well, I was watching, I 370 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: was going in and out of the room. I had 371 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: still had my hands over my ears, and I still screaming, no, no, no, no, 372 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: let's go get her, Let's go get her. I know, 373 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: I know she's okay, she's okay. I know she's okay, 374 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: And that's all I kept saying. And I looked at 375 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: my husband, who was on the phone, and he was 376 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: looking downwards, somber in Yeah, I knew, and I just 377 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: wanted to leave, and I was screaming. I totally forgot. 378 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: The kids were with us, so of course you know 379 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: they run down. What is wrong with Nanna? No, no, 380 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: that's wrong, and you know they were risked off. My 381 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: sister happened to be there visiting, and she took them 382 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: off to another room, and it's it's a feeling like 383 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: no other. It's a feeling like no other. I've had 384 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: a lot of losses in my life, but you know, 385 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: through family members and war, but it's just something about 386 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: losing a child. But there's even something else you get 387 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: quick in the different categories, and it's murder, because with murder, 388 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: nobody understands that pain. I felt the same thing. At first. 389 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe Keith was dead. I couldn't believe it. 390 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: I thought there must be some accident. If I could 391 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: get to him, I could somehow affected and I could 392 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: save him and it was going to be okay. And 393 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't true. And I had nobody was at home 394 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: at our family home, and I I saw cars partnered 395 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: our church, and I went in and my pastor got 396 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: on the phone and I was sitting across his desk 397 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: and I saw a red upside down when he wrote 398 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: Bernstein Funeral Home. And then I knew, And it really 399 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: didn't sink in. You had Josephine, You had Crystal's children 400 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: with you. Could you are they still with you? Where 401 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: are her children? I? You know, the other tragic event 402 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: to this is the children's father is a disabled war vet. 403 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: He's a young man who ran over ninety and so 404 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: he's not capable of taking care of him because it 405 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: was a a state of mind. And so this whole thing 406 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: about him being a marine, it's really turned off. And 407 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: I really wish they'd not put him out there as 408 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: a marine, you know, um, because we are a gold 409 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: star We are gold star family. I agree. My father 410 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: is a military vet too, and my family fought in 411 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: the war. So did mind, Josephine. You know what's interesting, 412 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: Josephine with me, Josephine fune is once. So this is 413 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: Crystal's mom. Um, you were so preoccupied with the fact 414 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: your daughter, uh was worried about an ex who was 415 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: bothering her, you became concerned with mccloyd loaned her a gun, 416 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: and amidst all this going on on, he surprises Crystal 417 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: with a trip to San Diego to visit friends. And 418 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: it was those friends who find Crystal dead in a 419 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: bedroom inside their home with an obvious sign of struggle, 420 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: and McLoyd disappeared. To Ashley Wilcott, juvenile judge, founder of 421 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: child Crime watch dot com, it's like she knew the 422 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: mom Josephine knew ahead of time, but there was nothing 423 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: she could do to stop it, and now her children 424 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: are left behind without a mom. I think she did 425 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: know ahead of time because listen, my heart goes out 426 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: to you as her mother, and we have to our 427 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: instincts are right, our feelings are right. I believe it's 428 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: not scientific, but the feeling that you get when something 429 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: happens to your child, because no mothers should lose their child. 430 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: It's the same feeling that the victims have before something 431 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: happens to them. She tried to get away from this beast. 432 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: He's a predator, he's a murderer. She tried to get away. 433 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: I think she absolutely knew, and I think that she 434 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: couldn't escape his clutches. Well what about this, Ashley, I'm 435 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: trying to figure out why I have such a horrible 436 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: vibe about Raymond McLoyd. I would flip out if my 437 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: husband stripped off his shirt at a gym and started 438 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: taking selfies of himself. And that's why the feeling I said, 439 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: he looked like he worked out at the gym. He's 440 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: taking selfies of his buff self in the Gym's a 441 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: steroid user. You know what? If you have time to 442 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: do that, you need to be working to bring home 443 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: money for the family. I mean, it looks like it's 444 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: just a horrible vibe of this guy. And he looks 445 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: like a creep to Dudney Nancy in the picture he 446 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: does he does, and Crystal just could not see it. 447 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: And Bremner, what about this? What about his history? How 448 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: did this happen? I mean, if you look at his history, 449 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: he had already gotten away with so much. He had 450 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: been charged twice with domestic violence, one that occurred just 451 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: three months before Crystal Mitchell was murdered. He pled not 452 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: guilty to assaulting second wife in Riverside, California, and got 453 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: off on bond. I mean, when Josephine first posted a 454 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: wanted poster with mcloyd's picture on Facebook, she got a 455 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: flood of messages from past girlfriends. And how is this 456 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: guy even walking free? You know, it's amazing. I'd be 457 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: interested to see all the different sentences he had. I mean, 458 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: we've heard about it from Josephine. It sounds terrible. He 459 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: has to watch some DVD. I mean, these are very 460 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: serious crimes, you know, for which he has been prosecuted. 461 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: And if he thinks he's going to be able to 462 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: get away by being in a different jurisdiction ad diction 463 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: and dealing with ex tradition issues. It doesn't matter where 464 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: you are. As you know, Nancy, if there's a treaty, 465 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: he comes back. If there isn't a treaty, through comedy 466 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: of nations at c O M I t y you know, 467 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: good relations between nations, he comes back. So I'm so 468 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: glad Josephine's on top of this, and you are too, 469 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: because the word needs to get out. So he's identified, 470 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: picked up and extracted. Man, you're not getting a Bremner. 471 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: We'll take a listen to the San Diego prosecutor. Cloud 472 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: had a disturbing history of violence against women with whom 473 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: he had a relationship, and a pattern of abuse that 474 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: had been escalating. McLoud had prior violence against two of 475 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: his previous wives. He had a pending six blany case 476 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: and riverside for strangling one of his wives. A roommate 477 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: interrupted it the woman being strangled. That set the scene 478 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: for what would be a deadly trip to San Diego, California. 479 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: There were clear signs of a struggle and Crystal had 480 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: numerous injuries. There was blunt forced trauma, including to her 481 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: face and torso. McCloud had brutally strangled Crystal to death, 482 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: choking the very life out of her. There were multiple 483 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: fractures to her neck area. McCloud then, like a coward, 484 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: stole her car and ran to the border. But we're 485 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: not going to let this coward run from justice and 486 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: get away with murder. We need your help. Make no mistake, 487 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: we are on a hunt for justice and we need 488 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: your help. We're asking any want with information to come 489 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: forward so McLeod can be arrested, returned to San Diego, 490 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: and held accountable for this brutal crime. Anyone with information 491 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: on the murder or Raymond McLeod's whereabouts is asked to 492 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: submit a tip through st crime stoppers dot org. There's 493 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: an eleven thousand dollar reward for information that leads to 494 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: the arrest in this case. Anonymous emails and text messages 495 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: can be sent through st crime stoppers dot org as well, 496 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: or you can use the crime Stoppers app. McLoud is 497 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: a former marine who may have access to weapons. He's 498 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: thirty four years old, five ft eleven inches tall, and 499 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: has multiple very recognizable tattoos on his arms and chest 500 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: and body. He goes by the nicknames r J, but 501 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: maybe using the name Matt or Matteo to attempt to 502 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: hide his identity. It's very likely he strived to change 503 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: his appearance, grown a beard, he may have put on weight. 504 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: There's a very real concern that McLeod's history of violence 505 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: will continue to escalate and he will strike again while 506 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: he's on the run, most likely against an unsuspecting woman. 507 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: Back to Josephine Funez went, so this is Crystal's mother, 508 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: and what is just a stab in my heart? Crystal's 509 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: best friend, Diana Oliveras said that, um, this guy, Raymond 510 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: mccloyd had a quote spotless record, and that she said, 511 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: Crystal said, hey, you know I'm good. He passed two 512 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: background checks, so this is his background is clean and 513 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: he has a good job and a child he does on. 514 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: It was a child he does on. That was key 515 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: because I told her, as a single mom, when looking 516 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: for a potential partner, do you want a man that 517 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: loves children? And so that was key for her. What 518 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: about this flood of messages about from former girlfriends that 519 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: you got when you put Raymond mccloyd's picture on Facebook, Josephame, 520 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: what happened? Oh my gosh. I even got contacted by 521 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: people that were in the Marines with him, and one 522 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: guy from I think it was South Carolina, and he 523 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: said this guy is horrible and that none of the 524 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: marine buddies are even surprised that this happened, and they 525 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: were really sorry, but they were not surprised that he was. 526 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't confirmed all this. I'm sure you know, 527 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: the marshals would, but he's had you know, a Walls 528 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,959 Speaker 1: and Due's and and dad. He's been bailing him out 529 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: and baying him out and baying him out of all 530 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: his troubles. He was a golden child. There were a 531 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: wealthy family in Scottsdale. And that's what I'm up again. Well, 532 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: where'd you running? Forces with you, Josephine. I want to 533 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: find this guy and I want him. I don't want 534 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: him just in jail. I want him under the jail 535 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: for what he did to not just Crystal, but to 536 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: her children and to you going through life having your 537 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: child murdered, having your mother murdered for what by a 538 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 1: badass that had already been assaulting women for God only 539 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: knows how long. Listen to Steve German, the commander of 540 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: the future task Force. Listen. We are a multi agency 541 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: task force, and in this case, we are one badge. 542 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: Senegel ped DA's office and every other law enforcement agency 543 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: in this county and in this country are working on 544 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: this case. We adopted the case, and our involvement in 545 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: the case is certainly the man hunting in this case. 546 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 1: And that's what I would like to address today. The 547 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: United States Marshal Service has elevated this to our major 548 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: case status, which is part of the eleven dollar reward 549 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: being offered where it is captured. It's also opened up 550 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 1: a number of other investigative techniques that we have and 551 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: are deployed. There is absolutely no resource that we have 552 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: that we are not either prepared to are already using. 553 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: And today I stand here to deploy our most powerful asset, 554 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: our most powerful tool in law enforcement that we have, 555 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: and that is the public's eye. That is what we 556 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: need in this case at this time. And it doesn't 557 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: matter how small your tip is. Over the years, I've 558 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: seen the tiniest little scrap of information lead that that 559 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: that little break from leads down the trail ultimately results 560 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: in the capture, so I urged the public shared this 561 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: on social media, even if you don't know where he is, 562 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: If you have a friend down in Central America, if 563 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: you have somebody that may know anything about this case, 564 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: please share this. I also um want to address that 565 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: he we believe he is in Central America, could he 566 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 1: be anywhere absolutely our trail that we have followen him 567 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: so far, we've confirmed that he left San Diego and 568 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: went into Mexico, and then we've also confirmed that he 569 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: was in police That tip actually came in anonymously from 570 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: a female who met him dancing at a nightclub, got 571 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,280 Speaker 1: kind of a creepy feeling about him, and probably saved 572 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: her own life by not going with him. That is 573 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: the type of monster that we're dealing with here. He 574 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,919 Speaker 1: will repeat this action that he hasn't already, and that's 575 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 1: why it's important for us to get him off the street. Okay, 576 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 1: we also had a tip UH that showed him in 577 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: Guatemala UH and it's important also know that these tips 578 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: that we've received have been substantiated or passed on through 579 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: social media. So social media obviously is a very important 580 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: component of this UH investigation, and we encouraged the public 581 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: to turn that on. McCloud. Let's using our power as 582 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: a people, a guest a monster like this. There is 583 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: an eleven thousand dollar reward and it is climbing to 584 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 1: Alan Duke Alan. There have been sidings of McLoyd Raymond 585 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: Cloyd uh in Belize, so he can easily take boats 586 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: in and out of the country without being spotted in 587 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:54,959 Speaker 1: Mexico and the Honduras. What do we know Guatemala tell 588 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: me about the reward and if there is a tip line, 589 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: it's sad Diego Crime Stoppers is the tip line, and 590 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: there is an eleven thousand dollar reward that's being offered 591 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: actually by the US Marshall Services, as Commander German just 592 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: told us. There's also a website and I understand, uh 593 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 1: Ms Winstell, you've created a website for people to go 594 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: to to submit tips. And what is your website, Josephine, 595 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: I created a website to expose this man too. It's 596 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:32,240 Speaker 1: called Angels of Justice dot com. Angels of Justice dot com. Guys. 597 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: The tip lines are six one nine, five, three, one 598 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,919 Speaker 1: two two nine three repeat six one nine five three 599 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 1: one two two nine three or six one nine five 600 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 1: three one two thousand, repeat six one nine five three 601 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: one two thousand one more number four you toll free 602 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,240 Speaker 1: eight eight eight five eight zero eight four seven seven 603 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:05,720 Speaker 1: repeat eight eight five eight zero eight four seven seven. 604 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: You know, Vincent Hill, you're the private investigator. We know 605 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: that the U. S. Embassy and Belize has issued a 606 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: bulletin to police in media to be on the lookout 607 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: for Raymond McLoyd. We believe he's staying near the coast 608 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: in Belize, so we can take very easily boats in 609 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: and out of the country. We also have had sightings 610 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:31,280 Speaker 1: in Mexico and Honduras. What do we do now, Vincent, 611 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 1: how can we find this killer? Just turn up the pressure, Nancy. 612 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: I mean someone there is either likely in the same 613 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: boat as Josephine. They've either lost their child. Do the 614 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: domestic violence to your victim of domestic violence. Nobody likes 615 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: domestic violence. So wherever he is, we need to turn 616 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: up that pressure and allow someone to come forward and 617 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: say here he is, come and get him. You know, 618 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: I've been thinking about something you mentioned. Joseph fine with 619 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 1: me is Crystal's mom Josephine Funez Winstel about her children. 620 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: I can't even imagine telling the children, telling children their 621 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,280 Speaker 1: mom is gone and is in heaven with the angels. 622 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: How did you tell them, Josephine, Well, then the um 623 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: I just sat them down and just said, you know, 624 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 1: something terrible has happened, and mom has been guilt and 625 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 1: so um as the psychologists. No, children that young, they 626 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: can't really process that. They don't know how to process it. 627 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: You know, It's just it was just like a stare. 628 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: And then my grandsons Nana, how was she him? Was 629 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 1: she amon? Where was she? Did somebody try to help her? 630 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it was horrible. It was just it was horrible, 631 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,239 Speaker 1: saying you have to tell him? And then how did 632 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 1: aunt die? I said her heart stopped. I couldn't say 633 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: she was murdered. I don't want to line it was 634 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:28,839 Speaker 1: an accident. I just said her heart stopped, which brought 635 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: up other things in hand because later on he said, 636 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 1: so when I'm thirty, my heart will stop, you know, 637 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: So later on and explain what happened that Trump killed 638 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: their mother. And he asked me, Nana, why didn't Mama 639 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: fight back? Why didn't she fight back? And I said, well, 640 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 1: we don't know. She probably did. We don't know if 641 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 1: she I don't know. And what do you tell your child? 642 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: What do you tell you a small grandchild about their mother? 643 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 1: You know what, I have all the legal answers, I 644 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:16,360 Speaker 1: don't have the answers for that. Guys. I want you 645 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: to hear Crystal's mother, Josephine Uneze Winstel, as she described 646 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 1: her daughter Crystal. She was a lovely mother. She was 647 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 1: beautiful inside et inside out. She was beautiful, and she 648 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: was a single mom and suspecting of this man. There 649 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,640 Speaker 1: was nothing to alert her that he was a terrible person. 650 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,479 Speaker 1: For those of you listening now here on Syria six, 651 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,839 Speaker 1: I've given you the tip lines six one nine five 652 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,879 Speaker 1: three one two nine three six one nine five three 653 00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,920 Speaker 1: one two thousand toll free eight eight five eight zero 654 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: eight four seven seven. Police have released images of Raymond mccloyd. 655 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,919 Speaker 1: They show his chest, shoulder and armed tattoos. They show 656 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: what he looks like with a beard or a clean 657 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:21,920 Speaker 1: shaven He's about five eleven at two pounds of pure muscle. 658 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 1: He has known to go by the names of r J. 659 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 1: Matt or Matteo. His name is Raymond Cloyd. He can 660 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: be charming, he can be gregarious, he can be very engaging. 661 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: Don't be fooled. He is a killer, and he robbed 662 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: Josephine of her girl, and he robbed her little children 663 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,320 Speaker 1: of their mom. Listen to her mother. I know that 664 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 1: finding him is not going to bring my daughter back, 665 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: but it's gonna save the life of your daughter, your granddaughter, 666 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:16,600 Speaker 1: your mother. This shouldn't happen. There's so many victims to murder, 667 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,160 Speaker 1: and it continues on. It doesn't end. This case may close, 668 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,920 Speaker 1: but what has happened to our family would never close. 669 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,799 Speaker 1: And it's our faith that's taken us through so far. 670 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 1: But we really appeal to you guys, please help help 671 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 1: us bring justice for Crystal and for her son and 672 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: her daughter. I want justice. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, 673 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 1: goodbye friend,