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Speaker 1: answer too. Hey, everyone, welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways.
Speaker 1: I think none of us listen to our show. That's
Speaker 1: what we're getting from this. I was, I was doing
Speaker 1: the other theme song for the show. That was a
Speaker 1: bad version. Oh I never said I was. That's the
Speaker 1: dumb step version of it. Okay, it was the remix. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Scrilllox remix. Well, I'm Devin, joined as usual by
Speaker 1: and Steve remix. No, he doesn't know how he knows
Speaker 1: how to mix our show pretty good. And that's about
Speaker 1: it at yeah. Yeah. Um, So this week we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about mystery that I'm calling art Bell in
Speaker 1: the Area fifty one broadcast. You'll sometimes see it as
Speaker 1: like the Coast to Coast AM broadcast interruption caller, lots
Speaker 1: of different stuff, and you did see Area fifty one
Speaker 1: in the name here, but please know this is not
Speaker 1: an episode about fifty one. We're going to spend paltry
Speaker 1: little time talking about. Yeah, we will talk about in
Speaker 1: the future. We actually we're going to do a twelve
Speaker 1: part series. Absolutely. We actually we're gonna release over twenty
Speaker 1: four months. We have an intern who's working under cover
Speaker 1: there right now, and so we'll have lots of juicy
Speaker 1: video and tapes and stuff like that for you guys.
Speaker 1: Did that just out our internal Well you didn't give
Speaker 1: Billy's names, Okay, so Billy, no, we got to pull
Speaker 1: him out. We gotta pull ow he's dead, alright an
Speaker 1: oh man, No, that's a lie. But we will probably
Speaker 1: at some point to area fifty one or at least
Speaker 1: different aspects very fifty one. But actually, but please know
Speaker 1: that this is not that episode. This is very specific
Speaker 1: to a show, um and it was a listener suggestion
Speaker 1: from June ish of fifteen. This person's name that was
Speaker 1: about when it was suggested. It was suggested by a
Speaker 1: gentleman by the name of Derek. I didn't actually know
Speaker 1: it was a listeners suggestion until after I decided to
Speaker 1: do it because I saw it on one of those
Speaker 1: do you guys ever watch those YouTube like top Ten's
Speaker 1: Weirdest unsolved artifact mystery. I love those. They're like background
Speaker 1: noise in my apartment. I think that before and I
Speaker 1: saw this, I we were watching one that was like
Speaker 1: weirdest broadcast interruptions, and I was like, I know all
Speaker 1: of these, and it was like, yeah, got it, got it?
Speaker 1: What so? And then also, before we get too terribly far,
Speaker 1: I want to give a huge thanks to Jonathan, who
Speaker 1: wrote a seventeen page summary about every fifty one an
Speaker 1: expert for us. He is an expert for us. He
Speaker 1: also happens to be an actual, real life freemason. Um,
Speaker 1: if he was really a freemason, would you tell us? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: they I mean they're a real thing. He emailed this
Speaker 1: picture of him with his certificate, like it's real. He's
Speaker 1: a real thing. Uh, he's a real thing. And the
Speaker 1: and he's a real freemason. So everything that we say
Speaker 1: he told us, I guess with a grain of salt
Speaker 1: because probably he's lying to us to throw us off
Speaker 1: the track. He probably is one of the at all.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's true. Just yeah, and also just
Speaker 1: as a quick aside, because this is probably going to
Speaker 1: come up. There's a light blinking in our studio. So
Speaker 1: if we seem a little extra distracted or giglyto that,
Speaker 1: it's it's not because we're worried about the government, but
Speaker 1: it just flickering off and on. We should pause and fix.
Speaker 1: That's okay, we'll be right back. Okay, okay, we're back.
Speaker 1: It's fixed. Three podcasters to fix a light. It actually
Speaker 1: did past light bulb answers three. Yeah. Um, well there
Speaker 1: we've just solved into the mystery. Yeah, we're done, taking
Speaker 1: a break. We'll do the next week. Guys, Fine, just kidding.
Speaker 1: What we're talking about today is a specific incident that
Speaker 1: happened um in seven on the AM radio show Coast
Speaker 1: to Coast AM. I hope that most of our listeners
Speaker 1: are at least vaguely familiar with the show, but we
Speaker 1: might have like a fair number of bandwagon er listeners,
Speaker 1: people who were just to the unsolved mysteries community. Uh So,
Speaker 1: for those of you who are uninitiated, let's talk about
Speaker 1: Coast Coast AM for a second. Actually, we mentioned Art
Speaker 1: Bell and Coast to Coast in our Wholes episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's probably true. We talked about him sometimes. I like him. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: are all about the paranormal and UFOs and stuff like that. RNA. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about him in a second, but first, sorry, everyone,
Speaker 1: we had to I used to listen to this show
Speaker 1: on my little like handheld radio under my covers. You guys,
Speaker 1: remember those little handheld a m FM radios with my
Speaker 1: parents thought I was asleep and I was just like
Speaker 1: huddled under the covers listening to Coast Coast AM. I know.
Speaker 1: I think both of you have at one point listened
Speaker 1: to Coast Coast AM as well. Never like it was
Speaker 1: just when I was a kid, I listened to you
Speaker 1: if I listened to it, it was accidental, I think
Speaker 1: we just before. I'm not a big fan of talk radio,
Speaker 1: which is but I actually, yeah, I actually liked talk
Speaker 1: radio except for the commercials, and so I listened to
Speaker 1: it in my car, you know. But it's it's a
Speaker 1: three minutes of talking and it's time to go to
Speaker 1: five minutes of commercials. So I switched to another station
Speaker 1: and I might remember to switch back. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: otherwise I like it just fine. That's why I like,
Speaker 1: you know, MPR or whatever that's like no commercials, but
Speaker 1: they have commercials. Yeah. The goal of the show was
Speaker 1: to offer quote a forum where callers would not be
Speaker 1: openly ridiculed unquote for their claims. Though art Bell openly
Speaker 1: admitted that he didn't really accept every claim, he tried
Speaker 1: to take a kind of more skeptical view towards things,
Speaker 1: whether or not he led on too that in his
Speaker 1: show when he was actually interviewing people, you know, he
Speaker 1: was always he tried to be kind of politic and
Speaker 1: say oh, yeah, huh, and then ask questions. And I
Speaker 1: think he was a really good interviewer really when it
Speaker 1: come He tried. He didn't just take things at the
Speaker 1: surface and bat him down or take a messy work.
Speaker 1: He he tried to find out what your point wasn't
Speaker 1: how you substantiated at least in some way, even if
Speaker 1: he couldn't get it. Yeah. I actually, personally, as we've
Speaker 1: mentioned before, I take his style towards our podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he might not have believed any of that stuff,
Speaker 1: but he you know, made at least made that that
Speaker 1: he believed a lot of it. Yeah. Well, I think
Speaker 1: it's the open minded skeptic. Yeah, but you know there's
Speaker 1: other guys like you know, our friend Clyde who's on
Speaker 1: ground zero. I sometimes wondered, I've never actually asked Clyde,
Speaker 1: and I should ask him sometimes, like Clade, do you
Speaker 1: really believe all the stuff that because there are times
Speaker 1: where you can tell that it's stung in cheap and
Speaker 1: then there are times where what is going on right now?
Speaker 1: And are you serious? Yeah? Really no, really I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm serious, like you just can't tell yeah, totally yeah. Yeah. So, um,
Speaker 1: that's a little bit about Art Bell and he he
Speaker 1: no longer does Coast Coast AM. Coast Coast AM is
Speaker 1: still a thing, um, but he's not a part any
Speaker 1: part of it anymore, and he in fact thinks it's
Speaker 1: totally ludicrous now he hates it. Really, What's what's what's
Speaker 1: going on with Coast It's a long story. And this
Speaker 1: is not a show as um as I was about
Speaker 1: to mention, not only is this not a show about
Speaker 1: every fifty one, but it's also not a show about
Speaker 1: Coast Coast a m just about this one incident kind
Speaker 1: of we don't want to do a show about them
Speaker 1: because then they might do a show about us, and
Speaker 1: then we really we would be so sad. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: would do that. Okay, So the format of Coast Coast
Speaker 1: AM was a call in talk show plus news and
Speaker 1: a long form interview was usually an hour long interview
Speaker 1: and then open lines for callers to call in on
Speaker 1: UM and then the news a little bit. At the
Speaker 1: very beginning of the episode, there were a few different
Speaker 1: call in numbers. They were all open lines. There were
Speaker 1: none of them were There was no screeners whatsoever. That's
Speaker 1: amazing to me. Yeah, it was crazy. What talk show
Speaker 1: doesn't have screeners? Coast Coast AM. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: think they do now, and I think it's possible that
Speaker 1: later he had Actually it's not possible. It's true that
Speaker 1: later in the shows when he had to when he
Speaker 1: moved overseas, they had to have screeners because they just
Speaker 1: like the call volume that they had. It was too
Speaker 1: expensive him to have open lines. But he did have
Speaker 1: open lines. He would just you know, pick up the
Speaker 1: line and hit an extension and go, okay, you're on there.
Speaker 1: Start talking about whatever you want to talk about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that that that. I've called in a few
Speaker 1: radio talk show things before local ones, and there's always
Speaker 1: a screener who wants to know what you want to
Speaker 1: talk about, what your point is going to be, because
Speaker 1: they want to give the guy the host of heads Up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So for this one, he actually had a bunch of
Speaker 1: different dedicated lines. He had an East of the Rockies line,
Speaker 1: a West of the Rockies line, the first time callers line,
Speaker 1: in international line, and then what he called a wild
Speaker 1: card line, and then often he would introduce specialty lines
Speaker 1: for themed callers. Usually he just took away the first
Speaker 1: time callers line and said, Okay, the first time callers
Speaker 1: line is now this themed call in line. Swap it
Speaker 1: out for some other And that was the case on
Speaker 1: September eleven, which is the specific show we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about, he had opened up the first time Callers line,
Speaker 1: the number that was usually for that for Area fifty
Speaker 1: one employees and ex employees specifically, so it was only
Speaker 1: meant for those people, and he was trying. He tried,
Speaker 1: you know, as much as you can say, like, okay,
Speaker 1: well did you work there, how how many calls from
Speaker 1: how many how many actual area you want people called
Speaker 1: in actual or claiming? I mean, I don't know that
Speaker 1: he there was no way to keep track of the
Speaker 1: number of people he took calls all throughout the night. Um,
Speaker 1: I think I listened to that episode and I don't
Speaker 1: recall him actually talking to anybody other than Area fifty
Speaker 1: one line callers before this incident. So we're talking dozens.
Speaker 1: And do I mean likely, I mean he was he
Speaker 1: talked to I think five that night, but I think
Speaker 1: it's likely that there were at least a dozen more
Speaker 1: than that. Yeah, but I have no idea, and I
Speaker 1: don't know that any of us know. I don't think
Speaker 1: that there's any way to know how many people called
Speaker 1: in on any given night because it was an open line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you didn't have somebody answering a lot of
Speaker 1: people get a busy signal. Yeah, yeah, Okay, that's all
Speaker 1: squared away. Now we can actually jump into the mystery.
Speaker 1: I know that are preambles sometimes annay people, but it's
Speaker 1: important in this case. Yeah. So, like I said, on
Speaker 1: September eleven, at as far as I can tell, the
Speaker 1: only time Stamp I've actually heard is one am Eastern
Speaker 1: Time on the twelve and art broadcasted from Arizona, which
Speaker 1: is Pacific, which is mountain time, So that would have
Speaker 1: been I think eleven on the eleventh ish. For some reason,
Speaker 1: I was taking at art bill broadcast from the Bay Area. No, okay,
Speaker 1: it was Arizona. I'm pretty sure was Arizona anyway, Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: it was. It was the eleven. It was actually the
Speaker 1: eleventh when he took the call where he was, but
Speaker 1: it was late in the night. It was a late note,
Speaker 1: late night talk show. Definitely not prime time. No, definitely
Speaker 1: not prime time. It was actually the most listened to
Speaker 1: late night show on air when it was on air. Um,
Speaker 1: so that was pretty interesting. So around that time, he
Speaker 1: got a phone call. As I mentioned, there were a
Speaker 1: lot of it was the area fifty one line that
Speaker 1: he was answering, and he had been talking to other
Speaker 1: people earlier in the night who said they worked in
Speaker 1: area fifty one. One guy I listened to said he
Speaker 1: worked from Area fifty one and that he had been
Speaker 1: ordered to call to talk about all this stuff because
Speaker 1: stuff was going to come to light in the next
Speaker 1: couple of days. And then acted very coming. It's it's
Speaker 1: a really interesting show if you can get your hands
Speaker 1: on it, it's really interesting to listen to. But this
Speaker 1: specific caller called in, and we'll listen to part of it.
Speaker 1: But he called in and he was very frantic, was
Speaker 1: upside down in a ditch and he'd been stuck there
Speaker 1: for years you are. Anyway, we'll listen to most of it,
Speaker 1: and just as a pre warning, the thing that happens.
Speaker 1: I like to keep a little mystery on my mysteries
Speaker 1: before they drop. But the thing that happened is this
Speaker 1: guy is frantic and he's talking about all of the
Speaker 1: information he has about Area fifty one, and then Coast
Speaker 1: Coast AM was knocked off the air, literally knocked off
Speaker 1: the air. So this soundclip that we're going to play,
Speaker 1: it's it's about four minutes long. I do apologize for
Speaker 1: the length of it. We try to keep our soundclips
Speaker 1: down to a minimum, but I think in this case,
Speaker 1: since the mystery is the soundclip, we may as well
Speaker 1: throw it in there. Okay. So the way that this
Speaker 1: soundclip goes is you'll hear the frantic caller, and then
Speaker 1: you'll hear dead air for a little while, and then
Speaker 1: you'll hear the theme song starting. Because as I said that,
Speaker 1: it was totally not chops up, and then it goes
Speaker 1: completely silent, and then it's a little silent and then
Speaker 1: a little silent, and then it starts up again. It's
Speaker 1: edited down the silence in between from what people actually
Speaker 1: heard that night and so, yeah, so the show was
Speaker 1: off the air for how long? I believe it was
Speaker 1: about a half an hour. They went they the station
Speaker 1: cut to archive some other show. I can't remember what
Speaker 1: it was off the top of my head, and then
Speaker 1: Art Bell picks back up. But I think it was
Speaker 1: about a half hour that they were down for um
Speaker 1: and I think that it took them that long because
Speaker 1: part of the problem was Art didn't know that they
Speaker 1: had been knocked off the air. It's not like you
Speaker 1: have a thing that you know started the red light
Speaker 1: didn't turn off. Yeah, I mean, you know, he was
Speaker 1: in a sound studio room basically a soundproof room that
Speaker 1: you would be broadcasting from, and you know, all the
Speaker 1: transmitters and everything are in a different room. You don't
Speaker 1: want that in there with you because it makes noise.
Speaker 1: So he had to actually get up out of his
Speaker 1: chair to see, oh, we're not broadcasting anymore. I don't
Speaker 1: even have the transmitter there. It's a satellite feed right,
Speaker 1: They had a transmitter in the other room to translate
Speaker 1: to transmit the feed out. And actually a network representative
Speaker 1: called him and was like, hey, your shows off the air,
Speaker 1: and he was like what, But he'd been taking calls
Speaker 1: and if he had an engineer. Yeah, So it was crazy.
Speaker 1: So it took them a little bit, and then it
Speaker 1: took them a little while to establish a backup for everything.
Speaker 1: So it was about half an hour as far as
Speaker 1: I can tell. So, yeah, we'll listen to this thing
Speaker 1: and then we'll pick you up on the other side. Line.
Speaker 1: You're on the air, all hello, Yeah, I don't have
Speaker 1: a whole lot of time. Um, Well, let's begin by
Speaker 1: finding out whether you're using this line properly or not.
Speaker 1: Where are you an employee or are you new a
Speaker 1: former employee, former room. I would let go on a
Speaker 1: medical discharge about a week ago, and and I've kind
Speaker 1: of been running across the country. Um man, I don't
Speaker 1: know where you start. There. They're they're gonna, um build
Speaker 1: triangulate on this position. Really released soon. Um. You can't
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time on the phone, So give
Speaker 1: us something quick, okay, um um, okay. What we're thinking
Speaker 1: of as as aliens are there? Uh they're they're extra
Speaker 1: dimensional beings that an earlier precursor of the Space program
Speaker 1: made contact with. Uh. They they are not what they
Speaker 1: claim to be. Uh. They have infiltrated a lot of uh,
Speaker 1: a lot of aspects of of of the military establishment,
Speaker 1: particularly the area fifty one. Uh, the disasters that are
Speaker 1: coming made, but the military, I'm sorry that the government
Speaker 1: knows about them. And there's a lot of safe areas
Speaker 1: in this world that they could be in moving the
Speaker 1: population to now are but they're not doing They're not
Speaker 1: doing anything. They are not They want the major population
Speaker 1: centers wiped out so that the few that are left
Speaker 1: will be more easily controllable. This chart I started getting
Speaker 1: in some way. Something knocked us off the air and
Speaker 1: we're on a backup system. Now it's a government or
Speaker 1: I don't know. It has to be something though, Well
Speaker 1: did you hear now you'd tell me because you were listening.
Speaker 1: That was awful strange. It was a really weird guy
Speaker 1: on the air when it went off. Ye, real weird,
Speaker 1: oh like going sort of sort of stunning paranoids etronic
Speaker 1: like crying and everything. Yeah. Yeah, And how far into
Speaker 1: the conversation was it when when it went off, just
Speaker 1: a couple about fifty I didn't say you guys missed?
Speaker 1: Were you really missed a call in? And I've got
Speaker 1: a feeling somebody who didn't want you to hear it. Yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: guys were back. Jesus, what a trauma, queen. No, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: but no, but yeah, but you seem rather upset. Yeah
Speaker 1: he did, didn't he frantic? Even frantic, even frantic color ye.
Speaker 1: Art does go on to say that in all his
Speaker 1: years in broadcasting, he had never heard of anything getting
Speaker 1: knocked off the air like that, And as far as
Speaker 1: I know, that's the only time in the thirty one
Speaker 1: year history of Coast Coast a M that they have
Speaker 1: been knocked off the air. So it's a pretty big
Speaker 1: deal that they just disappeared from the airwaves for a
Speaker 1: little while. By the way, did Art bells the studio
Speaker 1: did they didn't re toward these calls? Did they know?
Speaker 1: They didn't? Yeah, I think because it's a live broadcast,
Speaker 1: so I don't know if they I don't know how
Speaker 1: they were trapping it at that time. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they were recording in studio or if they had
Speaker 1: somebody else like recording the transmission or what. Because they
Speaker 1: don't I would expect, I don't know. I'm presuming Joe
Speaker 1: that you're asking that to see if we can if
Speaker 1: there was some way to get the conversation up until
Speaker 1: the point aren't realized he was cut off. Is what
Speaker 1: you're after? Yeah, and it said, what we have is
Speaker 1: what it appears most of the stuff online is what
Speaker 1: listeners had recorded themselves. Yeah, okay, and so and did
Speaker 1: Arn't Bell ever say how long the conversation went on
Speaker 1: for after it got cut off? He said, a couple
Speaker 1: of minutes. Yeah, And this was the interesting thing about this.
Speaker 1: What let's keep going a little bit and we'll talk
Speaker 1: a little more about what aren't because then what we
Speaker 1: know about this broadcast according to only one report. So
Speaker 1: this is the information that you're looking for. And it's
Speaker 1: since there's only one report, and I can't I really
Speaker 1: can't substantiate this at all, but it's probably worth mentioning.
Speaker 1: But take it with the hugest grain of salt you've
Speaker 1: ever seen in your entire life. When the transmitters went dead,
Speaker 1: Art switched to a digital line for transmissions, but shortly
Speaker 1: after this his analog phone lines went down um and
Speaker 1: they weren't able to transmit for this half hour time frame.
Speaker 1: Apparently the caller had continued for uh about a minute
Speaker 1: is what they said, and then screamed and the line
Speaker 1: went dead. And this is all according to a website
Speaker 1: that says it's according to a Penthouse reporter who happened
Speaker 1: to be in the studio doing an article about the
Speaker 1: show on that night. I have looked for, I have searched.
Speaker 1: There's no such Penthouse article on Coast Coast AM as
Speaker 1: far as I can tell, Penthous some clean work. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I just mean that I was searching through everything.
Speaker 1: I was looking for the articles, looking through the article. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I couldn't find anything to substantiate that
Speaker 1: there was, in fact a Penthouse reporter. I couldn't find
Speaker 1: any sources for this information other than this, you know,
Speaker 1: mystery Penthouse reporter. So I don't know that I necessarily
Speaker 1: believe it. But apparently according to this same source, Well,
Speaker 1: the only thing I'm gonna say about that is just
Speaker 1: just because this guy is in the studio doesn't mean
Speaker 1: he's writing a piece. Well, apparently he was in the
Speaker 1: studio to write a piece about Coast Coast AM and
Speaker 1: started taking notes like feverishly when the feverish caller called in.
Speaker 1: And there's also we've got to keep in mind that
Speaker 1: as a journalist, you start and work a lot of
Speaker 1: stories cut. Yeah, but that's the only thing I want
Speaker 1: to say it. I mean, whether it's Penthouse, Playboy or
Speaker 1: The New York Times, if it's a reporter in the
Speaker 1: room and it gets caught, we would that would explain
Speaker 1: why we don't see it. I'm not I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that I think that this guy was really there. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I guess in my my brain if you had
Speaker 1: the inside scoop on something like this, Hey, this radio
Speaker 1: station got knocked up the air in the middle of
Speaker 1: this really frantic call, and I have the notes and
Speaker 1: was there and heard the rest of the conversation that
Speaker 1: nobody else is talking about. Why wouldn't you just release
Speaker 1: that lure out of it? Okay, but yeah, yeah, take
Speaker 1: the lure out. It's like they got knocked off the
Speaker 1: air and totally sucked its screwed my story totally up.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this, that's true. Well, I never know.
Speaker 1: Since this became a big thing, you think he would be,
Speaker 1: you know, sort of motivated to publish something about what
Speaker 1: you hear that cut off a carriage, you would think
Speaker 1: that the thing about it is is like the area
Speaker 1: if you want guys are sure are like you know,
Speaker 1: just mercilessly efficient. But tracing the phone call and getting
Speaker 1: a black helicopter to the spot where the guy is
Speaker 1: and murdering him within five six minutes is remarkably efficient. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he does say that they're going to triangulate his call
Speaker 1: really quickly, but we'll talk about that. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: that in the theory section. Okay, the this same weird
Speaker 1: source that I can't substantiate at all goes on to
Speaker 1: say that the very first call that aren't picked up
Speaker 1: after the transmission had gone dead was a guy who
Speaker 1: claimed to be the quote unquote security guy from Area
Speaker 1: fifty one whose job it was to quote close gaps unquote.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? People means? People give him? Is
Speaker 1: he a cleaner? Does he fix the fence gaps? In defense?
Speaker 1: Like I was just apparently that that's the only information
Speaker 1: I have is that he called and said he was
Speaker 1: there to close the gaps, and that he had pulsed
Speaker 1: to the network with an E M P H. But
Speaker 1: of course if he if he had actually pulsed it
Speaker 1: with an MP, then it wouldn't have been back up
Speaker 1: in thirty minutes, right right? Yeah? Yeah, especially, and but
Speaker 1: then you know a couple other callers. The problem with
Speaker 1: the live call in format is that you can be
Speaker 1: listening to the show and think, ah, I will call
Speaker 1: and say I saw the same thing exactly and cranking
Speaker 1: them all. Yeah. So a few other people I guess
Speaker 1: called that night. Again, I didn't hear this on that
Speaker 1: on the episode that I listened to. But could you
Speaker 1: listen to this? I did miss broad into this broadcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it recently. And just so, I mean, you didn't
Speaker 1: listen to it at the time. You listen to it
Speaker 1: as you're doing the research. I was ten when this happens.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, you know, I just want
Speaker 1: to clarify that for people like, well, god, it's been
Speaker 1: a long time your memory. No, I listened to it
Speaker 1: like today, um and it. I didn't hear any of
Speaker 1: that stuff. But hey, but apparently some people called him
Speaker 1: and said, oh, yeah, no, I saw an EMP or
Speaker 1: like I. One of the guys said apparently allegedly said, uh,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I have a wall of firewall up around
Speaker 1: all of my things that are sensitive to E m
Speaker 1: p s, but I saw an EMP bounce up into
Speaker 1: the clouds off of my like firewalls or something. I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, as you using words that you don't
Speaker 1: know the meaning it really is. It's just putting English
Speaker 1: words together. I mean, I didn't know anybody could see
Speaker 1: in the MP's well, by the way, Yeah, for those
Speaker 1: of you who know know what the MP is, it's
Speaker 1: electromagnetic pulse. Uh. That's the kind of thing that can
Speaker 1: be reproduced like artificially. Like the military is working on
Speaker 1: a directed energy weapon that can do this. But it's energy,
Speaker 1: not light, not a light energy yeah, not light. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So any MP is produced by a nuclear explosion. Um,
Speaker 1: and it's also can be produced by just a solar flare.
Speaker 1: All kinds of things can overload and and fry or
Speaker 1: delicate electronic devices. Did you see did you see Oceans twelve? Yes?
Speaker 1: I have not seen that yet. If you saw, you
Speaker 1: know what an MP is. Yeah, right, and that's clarified.
Speaker 1: Set it off, I know you do. Yeah. Anyways, some
Speaker 1: of you may be familiar with this story and you
Speaker 1: may be a little confused about why we might talk
Speaker 1: about it. And for those of you who don't know
Speaker 1: why they might be confused, it's because on April a
Speaker 1: man calling himself Brian called into the east of the
Speaker 1: Rockies line and says that he was the Area fifty
Speaker 1: one caller and that it was all a hoax. He
Speaker 1: says that had the call not then cut off, the
Speaker 1: whole thing would have blown over and no one would
Speaker 1: have been the wiser. He says that he often called
Speaker 1: wild card or themed lines on the Art Bell Show,
Speaker 1: doing quote unquote fun characters, wacky characters, uh, and that
Speaker 1: this was just one of those, and that you know,
Speaker 1: if it hadn't been interrupted in the middle of it,
Speaker 1: everybody would have just written it off. And of course,
Speaker 1: Art being an intelligent human being to that point, says, Okay,
Speaker 1: so why if it was a hoax, why did we
Speaker 1: get knocked off the air? That's a good question, a
Speaker 1: good question, and um Brian of course has no answer. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they also wanted to, like pi Ryan down on
Speaker 1: like what they talked did they ask like what they
Speaker 1: talked about like just before but also after they got
Speaker 1: knocked off the air. No, I didn't hear that part. No,
Speaker 1: I don't remember that being a thing. I don't think
Speaker 1: he asked him like what did we talk about? He
Speaker 1: wanted him to reproduce the character. Yeah, he just wanted
Speaker 1: to see if he if this guy could prove to
Speaker 1: him that he was a and he does try. Uh,
Speaker 1: we'll talk a little bit about our individual feelings about
Speaker 1: said call, but again, since we can play it, we
Speaker 1: may as well, So we're just gonna play a little bit.
Speaker 1: Any buttons running. I always get very nervous when when
Speaker 1: I call you. I'm Brian, I hung up on your
Speaker 1: last week. I see, and uh, I just figured, damn
Speaker 1: the torpedoes. I'll just do this and let the chips
Speaker 1: fall where they will. Um, everybody, I am the Area
Speaker 1: fifty one caller. Um, that's that's my statement. And let
Speaker 1: you or whatever tear it apart. You claim you're the
Speaker 1: Area fifty one. I I am the man. How do
Speaker 1: you account for the fact Area fifty one that part
Speaker 1: of the way through your spiel the satellite went down.
Speaker 1: I have no idea, and it scared the heb gbs
Speaker 1: out of me that night. I've called a number of
Speaker 1: times on your specialty, lying nights, doing different and all
Speaker 1: kind of wacky characters. And that's all that one was
Speaker 1: supposed to be. And if the call had been completed,
Speaker 1: it would have been ancient history by now. And has
Speaker 1: it Has it occurred to you as Barbara Mars Hubbard
Speaker 1: suggested tonight that perhaps if you're really what you say
Speaker 1: you are, you created the reality of the rest of
Speaker 1: the situation and took down my satellite. That scares the
Speaker 1: heb gbs out of me because it means that what
Speaker 1: I was saying was somehow correct and it was fabrication,
Speaker 1: kind of creating, creating a reality. Yeah. If if that
Speaker 1: was the case, I humbly apologize to you, because I
Speaker 1: love your show and the last thing I would ever
Speaker 1: want to do is not being all the air m
Speaker 1: So what what what can I do to prove my
Speaker 1: claim here? Well? I guess you could. You could you
Speaker 1: could give us a little of what you gave us then,
Speaker 1: so that we could hear it and know it to
Speaker 1: be you. Are you sure you want me to do that?
Speaker 1: I'm positive? Don't please, I don't want you to ask
Speaker 1: me to do this. Um, if if I start doing that, guy, Okay,
Speaker 1: so now you've heard that too, and I've got to
Speaker 1: do a passible limitation there. I I agree with that.
Speaker 1: Steve has some other thoughts, but he's going to keep
Speaker 1: his mouth shut for a little while. Steve, Yes, The
Speaker 1: thing is is, I've read some reports that this guy
Speaker 1: called back even a few months after this April nineteen call,
Speaker 1: after the confession and says, oh, no, I was brainwashed
Speaker 1: and told that I had to do that they would
Speaker 1: kill me. But my first call was true. And then
Speaker 1: they were trying to cover their tracks, which is the
Speaker 1: perfect con Oh, it absolutely is. And also I've never
Speaker 1: seen a date attached to this claim that he called back,
Speaker 1: so I wasn't able to. I looked around the time.
Speaker 1: I thought it might have been. But these episodes are like,
Speaker 1: his show was three hours long, and frankly, I just
Speaker 1: don't have the time to listen to a lot of
Speaker 1: a couple of months worth of three hour episodes. Why
Speaker 1: don't you quit your job? I art was on how
Speaker 1: many days a week? Every day? Seven days a week?
Speaker 1: Five that love? That's that's a lot. Actually, I assume
Speaker 1: the commercials were pruned out, so it was probably more
Speaker 1: like about an hour and a half. It's two hours solid,
Speaker 1: two hours of content at least. Yeah, yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: that's hard to find. Yeah, and especially since it's just,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of minute call and the whole thing.
Speaker 1: This guy Brian, maybe not Brian, maybe somebody else did
Speaker 1: call a different show called Fade to Black seventeen years later,
Speaker 1: and he sounded real crazy. Again. It may not again,
Speaker 1: it may not have been him with a call in show.
Speaker 1: There's you can only take a person at their word.
Speaker 1: But he he sounded real crazy, like extra crazy, like
Speaker 1: scary crazy. But that was the last we've heard from him.
Speaker 1: But there have been these reports of sporadically this same
Speaker 1: person or somebody imitating this person calling in to the
Speaker 1: art Bell Show, and then subsequent shows that are connected
Speaker 1: to the Art Bell Show or any of art Bell shows.
Speaker 1: So at this point we have more than one mystery. Yeah,
Speaker 1: am I correct? Yeah? Yeah, we do. Okay, So stellar
Speaker 1: what what? What specifically are the mysteries at this point.
Speaker 1: Here's the two mysteries that we've been talking about. One
Speaker 1: is is the caller a hoax? And two what kicked
Speaker 1: the broadcast off the air? Okay? Okay, cool, cool cool.
Speaker 1: So now that we've talked about what our mysteries are,
Speaker 1: we have to take another step back and talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about Oh goody, I thought we were going
Speaker 1: to talk about it. No, it's not an episode about
Speaker 1: at one, but we do have to talk a little bit.
Speaker 1: We have a little bit Yeah. As I said, Jonathan
Speaker 1: did quite a literal seventeen page synopsis of Jonathan our
Speaker 1: expert Omason expert, Yeah, which was super helpful and I'm
Speaker 1: not going to even touch like of the information that
Speaker 1: he gave us. It was huge and I read every
Speaker 1: single word of it and we'll use it later at one.
Speaker 1: Um is top secret, like so top secret that it
Speaker 1: wasn't until two thousand thirteen that the CIA slash the
Speaker 1: government officially recognized that it was a real thing publicly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They Until then, the government had been saying, no, there's
Speaker 1: nothing there, what are you talking about? Even though this
Speaker 1: entire air force based complex is huge. The US government
Speaker 1: actually owns of Nevada, the state of Nevada, they do,
Speaker 1: and Area fifty one, for those of you who don't know,
Speaker 1: is part of the Nevada Test and Training Range in
Speaker 1: book You Guessed It, Nevada if the testing facility made
Speaker 1: up of two areas, the Nellis Air Force Range and
Speaker 1: the Nevada Test Site. Together they form the quote largest
Speaker 1: contiguous air and ground space available for peacetime military operations
Speaker 1: in the free world unquote, which is four thousand five
Speaker 1: it and thirty one square miles, which equates to eleven thousand,
Speaker 1: seven hundred and thirty five square kilometers for those of
Speaker 1: you who are not Miley inclined, that's the technical term.
Speaker 1: So literally the rest of the world is only three
Speaker 1: countries that used the system. Where Yeah. UM. For for comparison,
Speaker 1: if anybody's interested, Uh, the entire state of Connecticut is
Speaker 1: five thousand, five hundred and forty three square miles, so
Speaker 1: they're almost bit smaller than that entire state. Yea should
Speaker 1: be a state of their own. Yeah. Originally Nevada as
Speaker 1: a donut state originally. Uh. This base was broken into
Speaker 1: areas which were numbered, which is why Area fifty one
Speaker 1: is called are one. It was the fifty first area
Speaker 1: that you see. Area twelve you see yet it's it's
Speaker 1: as a very military way to go about up for military. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then there are facilities within Area fifty one. One
Speaker 1: is the Homey Airport, and then there's a salt flat
Speaker 1: that they use for the testing facility, which is called
Speaker 1: Groom Lake. UM. And as a fun aside, when the
Speaker 1: facility was being built there, they called it Paradise Ranch
Speaker 1: so that the workers would come work there because they
Speaker 1: didn't want to call it like some weird unnamed secret
Speaker 1: test facility. They were like, it's Paradise Ranch. Build this
Speaker 1: giants salty. So that's why sometimes you'll see it called
Speaker 1: Paradise Ranch or Paradise or the Ranch. UM. It's officially,
Speaker 1: I think officially they call it Dreamland. That's its official nickname,
Speaker 1: but everybody else calls it Paradise Ranch. Also important, there's
Speaker 1: a military contractor firm called Edgerton, Gurmashausen and greer Ink
Speaker 1: or G and G, which was wholly owned by the
Speaker 1: shadowy Carlisle Group from one they're owned by a different
Speaker 1: contracting firm. Military contracting firm E G and G also
Speaker 1: operated Janet for a while, which is one of the
Speaker 1: most fun parts of the military for me. People think
Speaker 1: that it's just it's an acronym for just another non
Speaker 1: existent terminal, which is UM operated out of Las Vegas
Speaker 1: McCarron International Airport, and it's the U. S. Air Forces
Speaker 1: small fleet of passenger planes that applies mill military personnel
Speaker 1: from mccaren to like Area fifty one in places like that.
Speaker 1: Of these guys, yeah, they've got some seven thirty seven's
Speaker 1: and their their planes are there notable there for their
Speaker 1: their red and white. Yeah, they have been spotted mostly
Speaker 1: in Vegas. But yeah, they're very distinctly made so that
Speaker 1: you can, you know, like somebody at the Air Force
Speaker 1: can look up and say, oh, yeah that planet, that
Speaker 1: plane is supposed to be landing here, or oh no,
Speaker 1: that's not all right. Steve looks like he has things
Speaker 1: to say. Oh no, I was just gonna I just
Speaker 1: just suddenly popped into my head, is I realized it's
Speaker 1: not at air at least that I know of. But
Speaker 1: a guy I know, his son was stationed in Nevada
Speaker 1: in somewhere in this space, and it has the ranges.
Speaker 1: And it's a funny story is that, you know, they
Speaker 1: have their testing ranges where they're blowing stuff up and
Speaker 1: they're shooting munitions off all the time, and they all
Speaker 1: enjoyed great self service with Verizon, and then one day
Speaker 1: their self service was toast. It didn't work. The Eventually
Speaker 1: they figured out that what happened is somehow and I
Speaker 1: think it's this is the right areas that Verizon had
Speaker 1: put a tower inside of the range accidentally somehow, you know,
Speaker 1: plat map whatever, somebody got their location wrong, and so
Speaker 1: the tower was actually on the base in the range
Speaker 1: and they blew it up and was doing a bunch
Speaker 1: of hand waving of US military you've got to pay
Speaker 1: for this, and US military going, you built it on
Speaker 1: our land, which happens to be a firing range. I
Speaker 1: think you know where you can put your antenna and
Speaker 1: obviously never paid. This episode brought to you by a
Speaker 1: Verizon wireless No, we don't, but no. I thought it
Speaker 1: was hilarious that it was one of these ranges and
Speaker 1: it just somebody put the tower in the wrong but
Speaker 1: you know, the munitions could have easily overshot the range.
Speaker 1: That's what happened. Area. You can look up pictures if
Speaker 1: you haven't ever. It's real easy. It's just desert and
Speaker 1: there's just signs. And I mean, as far as I
Speaker 1: can tell, the reports are if you accidentally wander into
Speaker 1: the wrong place, somebody will drive up to you in
Speaker 1: a truck and say, uh, nope, get out of here,
Speaker 1: get out of here, and you go, well, I don't know,
Speaker 1: they go no, seriously, gun point out you get out
Speaker 1: of here. But I've never had that happened. And I imagined,
Speaker 1: if it's on a range, at the firing range, it's
Speaker 1: for girls. Oh yeah, sure, So Okay, so we've gotten
Speaker 1: way off topic because we were talking about E. G
Speaker 1: and G. And the reason that that's important is they
Speaker 1: provide technical and development services to the government, um since
Speaker 1: pretty much forever, like starting in like World War two, forever.
Speaker 1: In fact, they did contract at Groom Lake starting in
Speaker 1: the fifties working on atomic weapons and aircraft. H And
Speaker 1: it's important because this sets a little bit of a
Speaker 1: president's because in the mid ninety nineties it's accepted lore.
Speaker 1: I couldn't again you know, of course you can't find
Speaker 1: it corroborated anywhere, but it's like very well accepted mainstream
Speaker 1: lore that there was a class action lawsuit filed against
Speaker 1: US government by current and former employees of E. G
Speaker 1: and G. Well, we'll talk about that in a second,
Speaker 1: since everything here, you know, every one at all is
Speaker 1: top secret or above top secret. And there's some discussion
Speaker 1: about how some hogwash about the president isn't even briefed
Speaker 1: on the things that happened at Area fifty one, which
Speaker 1: is total bunk because that's stupid. Will Smith movie, Yeah
Speaker 1: that had the aliens in the Yeah, it might be
Speaker 1: one of those things and not actually bring up to
Speaker 1: the president. But if the President asked about it. Maybe
Speaker 1: who wouldn't I mean my first question. Yeah, no, Anyways,
Speaker 1: since it is so top secret, even the trash at
Speaker 1: the facility is top secret, Like you could throw away
Speaker 1: wrapper and they're like, that's top secret, and they burn
Speaker 1: it all. They run all the trash, and this has
Speaker 1: caused some very serious health I can't imagine. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: turns out it's actually a lot of health problems. And
Speaker 1: apparently did an episode on this, but I wasn't able
Speaker 1: to find that. I did read an article UM on
Speaker 1: the Washington Post that was called Area fifty one. Colin's
Speaker 1: Secrets under the Sun details a lot of this stuff
Speaker 1: that UM construction workers and people who are local and
Speaker 1: people who claim to have worked in area fift to
Speaker 1: one Groom Lake sort of area. It's very well documented
Speaker 1: they do have health problems, and it's most likely, of course,
Speaker 1: it's from that stuff, because like, why wouldn't it be
Speaker 1: If you're burning trash, you're burning a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: that you shouldn't be in Haley. Yeah, so this sets
Speaker 1: some precedents for employees having to be put on medical leave,
Speaker 1: whether or not that was common knowledge in the mid
Speaker 1: to late nine nineties, is up to you. That's so
Speaker 1: that's why that aside was important. Okay, cool, So well
Speaker 1: let's talk about why the broadcast drop first. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of theories about what caused the broadcast to drop,
Speaker 1: so we'll talk about that first, because I I don't
Speaker 1: know why. That just seems to flow better that I
Speaker 1: think that we can get to. So I agree with this,
Speaker 1: and we have to decide if, if why the broadcast
Speaker 1: went down, to decide if it was a hoax. True, yeah,
Speaker 1: well actually they could be unrelated. No, there's no such
Speaker 1: thing as a coincidence. As I mentioned, Art Bell is
Speaker 1: a very experienced broadcaster, and for him to publicly and
Speaker 1: openly say that he doesn't know what happened, which he
Speaker 1: maintains still to this day, I think it's pretty big.
Speaker 1: I personally like, just because I guess he's a hero
Speaker 1: of mine. It turns out or something choose to believe
Speaker 1: that if it were something mundane like a like an
Speaker 1: accident happened in the studio or you know, something like
Speaker 1: that simple text, he would he would come out and say, Oh,
Speaker 1: somebody you know, for instance, Joe's theory that will discuss
Speaker 1: tripped over a wire. He would say some due tripped
Speaker 1: over a power cards. Sorry, guys, that sucked, but it happened.
Speaker 1: But it's also in his interest to build the theater,
Speaker 1: because what he does is make theater. And I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not saying theater in the way of belittal, but
Speaker 1: he has an audience who wants to hear a certain
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and it is kind of a beautiful opportunity.
Speaker 1: I just think that he would have said that later.
Speaker 1: Um sure, the first couple of years short when somebody
Speaker 1: asks him thirty years later, hey did this happen? And
Speaker 1: he says, hmmm, he's not saying that, and we'll get
Speaker 1: to that. But so theory number one, Joe's theory. Somebody
Speaker 1: tripped over a wire and accidentally not plugged the transmitter
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, so let me ask you this. Um.
Speaker 1: So it went out and then the network put archives,
Speaker 1: put the archives sound archives audio. That's what it sounded
Speaker 1: like happened on the broadcast because his first caller when
Speaker 1: they start broadcasting again, says, oh, it was weird. I
Speaker 1: was I was hearing this frantic caller and then suddenly
Speaker 1: I was hearing this other show which the I guess
Speaker 1: the channel the AM channel put on there. That seems
Speaker 1: wrong to me. Well, what I'm trying to understand. I
Speaker 1: mean it was so he's broadcasting out of a building
Speaker 1: that is a radio station, which is an affiliate of
Speaker 1: the network that he's on. Correct, Sure, Okay, I don't
Speaker 1: know how set up. And so they either have a
Speaker 1: landline link to the network or they have a satellite
Speaker 1: up link. Satellite, so it was a network and not
Speaker 1: his local affiliate that plugged in the archives audio, right,
Speaker 1: that would make the most that would otherwise. I mean,
Speaker 1: they were broadcast on hundreds of different channels. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like one channel was just a radio show on FM
Speaker 1: channels on affiliate channels around the country. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: he had a I know, he had a satellite up
Speaker 1: There was a satellite up link and all that stuff. Okay,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to clarify all that. Yeah, No, it's
Speaker 1: a good clarification for sure. Yeah. So next theory is
Speaker 1: the official line the satellite lost its earth link. I
Speaker 1: did some digging on this because that sounds like a
Speaker 1: thing that shouldn't really happen. Um, But it does. They
Speaker 1: are complicated, but they do actually track this sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: You can find a record, um, even specific to the satellite.
Speaker 1: I did look up which satellite they were using for
Speaker 1: this specific one. It's a satellite called g E one
Speaker 1: slash AMC one, and apparently, according to the official line,
Speaker 1: it lost its earth lock, rolled into an attitude that
Speaker 1: didn't point to the station up links anymore, which apparently
Speaker 1: caused about fifty channels to go off air for about
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. There were a couple shows stations that went
Speaker 1: off for much longer than that. Reportedly, Again, I didn't
Speaker 1: find any reports of other channels going down that night,
Speaker 1: but that was the official line. And he even says
Speaker 1: the next day, um, I listened to the show that
Speaker 1: happened on September twelve, and he says, this is what
Speaker 1: this is what our engineers told us happened. There's he
Speaker 1: names another show. He says they were off for like
Speaker 1: an hour. So that was the official line. I guess
Speaker 1: I kind of accept that. Well, I was looking for
Speaker 1: any information out there, and there's a there isn't anything
Speaker 1: pertaining specifically to this satellite, but there is actually a
Speaker 1: ton of information about satellites, and I've did I dug
Speaker 1: into that because while I know this drives people crazy,
Speaker 1: I personally totally buy the official line. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: that's just the way I am. And I know that
Speaker 1: I've got some stuff that I looked into, and I
Speaker 1: know Joe and I were digging into some stuff earlier
Speaker 1: today boilering me. Okay, whatever, a little, a little bit okay.
Speaker 1: So it turns out satellites go of course pretty easily,
Speaker 1: because we've talked about this before with the UM the
Speaker 1: Black Night satellite. That satellites they run basically around the
Speaker 1: equator and it's a ring and then there's a ring
Speaker 1: around that. So there's two set rings of satellites around
Speaker 1: their planet. That's it would have been in one of
Speaker 1: those rings. But things that throw them off course are
Speaker 1: geomagnetic storms because they screw with the electronics and that's ah,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't that's not going to really throw it
Speaker 1: off course. It's orbit. It's going to remain unchanged. Well,
Speaker 1: but if they are trying to correct anything in an orbit,
Speaker 1: or if it initiates an orbital change by screwing up
Speaker 1: the software, because geomagnetic pulses are their solar flares, right,
Speaker 1: Because we were looking at this and there was a
Speaker 1: notable one on the tent. So one day before it
Speaker 1: was one of the was the top fifty. Yeah, in
Speaker 1: the list of the top the top. So so it's
Speaker 1: a big storm. And so that can screw up the
Speaker 1: program because the things that happened with the software is
Speaker 1: that there can be glitches where it tries to do
Speaker 1: things that it shouldn't be or it stops responding to command.
Speaker 1: So ground command says, nop do this, and it says
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't rive gets an attitude problem exactly. Um,
Speaker 1: So that can happen. And the way that they move
Speaker 1: satellites is they have a thing inside of them which
Speaker 1: is called they call them momentum wheels, their flywheels. Correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're well, yeah, they're just they rotate and there's three
Speaker 1: of them and this is the simple, simple version. But
Speaker 1: there's three of them, one on each axis of the satellite.
Speaker 1: And what happens is the problem is that if it spins,
Speaker 1: it'll spin clockwise or counterclockwise version. Keep it as simple
Speaker 1: as that. And it has a maximum rpm. And once
Speaker 1: it reaches its maximum rpm to try to force the
Speaker 1: rotation or or stop the rotation, then that reaches what
Speaker 1: they call for satellites, the saturation. So let's say that
Speaker 1: the wheel is spinning at maximum and then something happens
Speaker 1: to stop that. Well, the damn thing is then going
Speaker 1: to start twisting in space and roll out of its orbit.
Speaker 1: Because that's what happened, is it rolled. Satellite is pointing
Speaker 1: down the dish, pointing to where it's supposed to be,
Speaker 1: and then it rolls in one of three directions, whichever
Speaker 1: the case may be, but enough that it loses the link.
Speaker 1: So it's a it's a role is the problem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like again, it stays in the same stays in
Speaker 1: the correct or, but it just isn't pointing exactly what
Speaker 1: it needs to be pointing any right. And the other
Speaker 1: thing that happens with satellites, and this isn't anything. I mean,
Speaker 1: the official explanation is that it uh, it went, it
Speaker 1: lost its locket rotated. But I've also read about satellites
Speaker 1: that get a power surge, and one of their safety
Speaker 1: functions when they get a surge is to shut down
Speaker 1: and dump all of the battery power to just you know,
Speaker 1: to get rid of it and start from a new charge,
Speaker 1: which means it stops transmitting, which is a problem. And
Speaker 1: this is the reason I bring this up is that
Speaker 1: there are in the last couple of years a couple
Speaker 1: of satellites that we know have had problems. And so
Speaker 1: when we talk about, well, some of these other affiliates
Speaker 1: didn't go down, well, these affiliates may have. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna I don't want to say that the folks that
Speaker 1: were working with Art or whoever he was he was
Speaker 1: working with, weren't necessarily the best, but they may not
Speaker 1: have been aware of the fact that there was a
Speaker 1: problem with the satellite, because sometimes you can't fix them,
Speaker 1: and they slowly drift and they'll drift into another satellites
Speaker 1: orbit and get screwed up or screw that satellite up,
Speaker 1: and a lot of times what they do is they
Speaker 1: switch the feeds from one to another. But if you're
Speaker 1: not paying attention and you don't know if that's going
Speaker 1: to happen, the thing just stops working and it's in space.
Speaker 1: It's not like you can just send the cable guy
Speaker 1: up there and fix it. So then you're off the
Speaker 1: air for a half hour until either it drifts out
Speaker 1: or range, or it comes back online, or you switch
Speaker 1: to a different satellite. Like there's all these really really
Speaker 1: logical reasons why the stupid thing just went out, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen all the time, which is why for
Speaker 1: Coast to coast it's only happened once. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: we can talk about this a little bit when we
Speaker 1: start talking about is it a hoax or not? But again,
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about coincidences, and this is a
Speaker 1: hell of a coincidence, you know, and I guess I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy to say this collar was a hoax,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about all the reasons why am I not?
Speaker 1: And I'm happy to say that it just happened that
Speaker 1: the satellite happened to lose its Earth block at exactly
Speaker 1: that right time. But like what a time to lose that,
Speaker 1: you know, if it had happened five minutes beforehand, when
Speaker 1: he was in an ad or half an hour beforehand,
Speaker 1: when he was on the line with some other caller
Speaker 1: or some interview, we'd never give out, which which is
Speaker 1: the same thing that we've heard from a lot of
Speaker 1: the reading had a lot of folks, and I kind
Speaker 1: of agree, like I think that it's only the coincidence
Speaker 1: that has made this stand probably, but let's keep talking
Speaker 1: about what happened before, you you know, really lost boilery.
Speaker 1: Me can't do broadcast things anymore. You guys always ruin
Speaker 1: it for me. Okay. So next up is UM the
Speaker 1: conspiracy and e MP from the US Air Force as previously,
Speaker 1: like I talked about earlier, from Verizon Wireless definitely not
Speaker 1: our sponsor. So yeah, there's some conspiracy theories that say
Speaker 1: that the US Air Force was listening into the broadcast
Speaker 1: and that the caller was speaking truth, so they had
Speaker 1: to knock Art off the air. I don't give this
Speaker 1: one much stock, specifically, if it was just this like
Speaker 1: e m P, it wouldn't have knocked all fifty of
Speaker 1: these things out, although maybe they sent an electrical surge
Speaker 1: up to this one satellite. Satellite satellite basically be a laser. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they would have to use They could use harp. I
Speaker 1: don't know probably that right that herp is one of
Speaker 1: the things that people talk about this. If you don't
Speaker 1: know what harp is, go google it. Not not the
Speaker 1: musical instrument a A r P A A r P
Speaker 1: or h A r r P. I can't remember one
Speaker 1: of the two. Someday someday we will probably cover that too,
Speaker 1: but not to But yeah, I say the so he
Speaker 1: this is this whole thing. Is he e m P
Speaker 1: d art bell? So that does that mean the e
Speaker 1: MP arts equipment at the at the affiliate. Good question, Joe.
Speaker 1: And how the hell did he move is his his
Speaker 1: MP gear into this? Good question, Joe. Actually, one of
Speaker 1: the callers earlier that night says, so, um, this September
Speaker 1: eleven broadcast was meant to actually happen on September the
Speaker 1: Area one open show, but Art was sick that day.
Speaker 1: He had totally you know, said he'd been saying for
Speaker 1: weeks and months, maybe even that we're going to do
Speaker 1: an Area fifty one caller show. We're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be on this night. It's gonna be on
Speaker 1: this night. And then he got sick, so they didn't
Speaker 1: do it on that night. Then the next night, and
Speaker 1: one of the earlier callers from that September eleven show said, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: we knew you weren't gonna do it last night, so
Speaker 1: I just went to bed, so I called you. I
Speaker 1: called you tonight instead. We knew the government that I
Speaker 1: worked for, we knew. So I guess by following that logic,
Speaker 1: the Air Force could have known that they were going
Speaker 1: to do that show, and that it was possible that
Speaker 1: this guy they had left out, you know, let out
Speaker 1: no no nice try though. Yeah, I know that the military,
Speaker 1: our military has been working on directed energy weapons and
Speaker 1: essentially they want to control the m people. It's weapons,
Speaker 1: so you can take take out out of the aircraft
Speaker 1: of course, you and other electronics. Yeah, yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: cool idea, it is. I don't know if we had
Speaker 1: the operational versions of that stuff at I don't think.
Speaker 1: You don't know, maybe we did. Yeah, that's true. The
Speaker 1: one other theory that I have we actually we're actually okay,
Speaker 1: we are going to talk about it is an interesting one.
Speaker 1: And like, this show is not about Area fifty one
Speaker 1: or coast Coast a m. This is not a show
Speaker 1: about actualization. However, it just so happens that when the
Speaker 1: caller called back in April, Art had been interviewing a
Speaker 1: woman named Barbara Marks Hubbard, who's a futurist and a
Speaker 1: yeah for the confession call, it's a she's a co
Speaker 1: creationist or something like that. You can look all this
Speaker 1: stuff up, just google her and read about her stuff.
Speaker 1: But one of the things she was apparently talking about
Speaker 1: was that you can turn reality into the thing that
Speaker 1: you've been visualizing, if under the right circumstances. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Don't look at me like that. This is the I
Speaker 1: think positive Well, it takes further than that. It's that's
Speaker 1: the simplified, at the most simplified version. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's an interesting concept. Whether or not I believe it,
Speaker 1: who knows not you um, but Art does suggest when
Speaker 1: this caller comes back, calls back to confess in April,
Speaker 1: he says, well, what do you think about what Art
Speaker 1: is talking about? And he said, you know what, it's
Speaker 1: possible that I just was creating this character that was
Speaker 1: so freaked out that it knocked your show off the air,
Speaker 1: which sounds wrong to me, but I'm willing to mention it.
Speaker 1: At least we've mentioned weirder, more far out things. So
Speaker 1: those are the theories about what knocked the broadcast off
Speaker 1: the air. We'll talk about whether or not this was
Speaker 1: a hoax. So yeah, I mean, obviously it's a hoax, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, he called back and he said it himself,
Speaker 1: he said he made it up. He did well, or
Speaker 1: somebody who sounds like yeah, there's that, I have to
Speaker 1: say what he swung into his invitation of the previous color.
Speaker 1: He did a pretty credible did I have some problem
Speaker 1: he sounds? It's his impression. The first time I heard it,
Speaker 1: I laughed actually, because it sounded like he was trying
Speaker 1: really hard to sound like the guy before. Does that
Speaker 1: make sense? Yes? Yeah, and I work very hard to imitate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it sounded almost funny because it was like a
Speaker 1: funny imitation a little bit of this guy's freak out.
Speaker 1: But I know that Steve, you played with the audio
Speaker 1: a little bit and you did get it to sound
Speaker 1: pretty dang close. Yeah. That The hard part is when
Speaker 1: you listen to this and you get the YouTube videos.
Speaker 1: Of course, you can't play him one right next to
Speaker 1: each other, and that makes it hard. And the original
Speaker 1: call is in a much lower quality than the second call.
Speaker 1: I I don't know why that is, whether it's the
Speaker 1: phone line, the phone whatever, it doesn't matter. The quality
Speaker 1: is different, so they they sound very different. But I
Speaker 1: was able to degrade the confession call so that it
Speaker 1: matched as roughly as one could do it very simply,
Speaker 1: and they sound similar. But you know, the thing that
Speaker 1: I keyed in on it wasn't his voice, because the voices,
Speaker 1: I mean it's close, and would you not agree it's close?
Speaker 1: But I mean, like you guys can sound make your
Speaker 1: voices sound kind of the same. I mean, but what
Speaker 1: I keyed on is we all have a speech pattern
Speaker 1: and a speech rate, and if you listen to that guy,
Speaker 1: he takes a lot of stuttered gaspings. He makes a
Speaker 1: lot of stutters and gasps, and he doesn't very repetitive
Speaker 1: and kind of close, and they are to me, they
Speaker 1: that sounds exactly the same. And he does it many
Speaker 1: times in the first call, and he doesn't I think
Speaker 1: at least twice in the second call, I guess, and
Speaker 1: I cut those up. I actually cut him out and
Speaker 1: tried to play him in in sequence to each other,
Speaker 1: and it is almost identical. And that's not something that
Speaker 1: you can just change or mimic very easily because it's
Speaker 1: a breathing pattern and the way you know your voice,
Speaker 1: your diaphragm, all that stuff works like they're So that's
Speaker 1: why I was like, oh, it's the same dude, totally
Speaker 1: same dude. The voice changes because of the quality, but
Speaker 1: there are these things that he can't control. There have
Speaker 1: been moments in like listening and relistening where I've said
Speaker 1: to myself, I could probably do a fair impression of this.
Speaker 1: I can't right now if I haven't actually been listening
Speaker 1: to it. But can everybody stop Devin do it? No, No,
Speaker 1: I can't do it. You really want me to do that?
Speaker 1: It was pretty good. It was good, No realistic. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put you in with the same effect do Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's going to be perfect yet. So another point to
Speaker 1: bring up is at one point that when the caller
Speaker 1: calls back, he's he says, when you listen to his
Speaker 1: call back, it's really weird. Uh. The first callback in
Speaker 1: in he says, Okay, I hung up on you a
Speaker 1: week ago. So he had apparently been trying to call
Speaker 1: um and got kept getting freaked out, and he says
Speaker 1: he says things like I just don't I just didn't
Speaker 1: know what you wanted from the art, or um, I'm
Speaker 1: all better now, or either's just like little bits. Hang
Speaker 1: on just a second. So the first call happened in
Speaker 1: September eleven, and the confession call happened in April. So
Speaker 1: that does bring up a question because he said I
Speaker 1: called you last week. Can you hung up on you?
Speaker 1: Know I hung up on you or I hung up
Speaker 1: on you. I'm sorry flipping around, which then I could
Speaker 1: never find the dates. I had of real difficult time
Speaker 1: finding the dates of the broadcast. But that, to me
Speaker 1: makes me feel like the confession call should be slid
Speaker 1: back in time into in the second or third week
Speaker 1: of September. If he says I called, I called last
Speaker 1: week and I hung up on you, I'm presuming he
Speaker 1: meant I hung up on you when I was doing
Speaker 1: my wacky, crazy character and at the end of my
Speaker 1: crazy character call, I hung up. The long would seem
Speaker 1: that way, but I listened to the April episode of
Speaker 1: Coast Coast AM that is when he called from the
Speaker 1: east of the Rockies line and said, I hung up
Speaker 1: on you last week. I want to confess I am
Speaker 1: the area fifty one caller in that event, and he
Speaker 1: was just frustrated about like not being on hold for
Speaker 1: hours or something like. I mean, I think that, he says.
Speaker 1: He at one point mentions that he's called a fair
Speaker 1: number of times to do you know the way, But
Speaker 1: he also he says, for the last year it's been
Speaker 1: it's been crazy, And he says, I called you last
Speaker 1: week and I hung up on you because I was
Speaker 1: nervous basically, So I don't know. Okay, that that solves
Speaker 1: the time frame question. You yeah, absolutely, yeah, because that's
Speaker 1: that was one of the things I always presumed, incorrectly
Speaker 1: obviously that he was infection was a week or so late. No,
Speaker 1: And he maintains throughout the entire thing, he maintains that
Speaker 1: he has no idea what caused the shutdown the shutdown,
Speaker 1: and as far as I read it, it's hard to tell.
Speaker 1: It's it's hard to tell if the phone line stayed
Speaker 1: up through the entire thing, or if his entire performance,
Speaker 1: if it was a performance, yeah, or if they shut
Speaker 1: down with whatever was going on or what was happening again,
Speaker 1: because I don't I can't find anything from art Um
Speaker 1: or any of the producers or anything like that, and
Speaker 1: he firsthand accounts. It's all just kind of conjecture of
Speaker 1: what happened during those thirty minutes of of that. But
Speaker 1: he does, I mean, you know, he says some weird
Speaker 1: things when he calls back, things like he does say
Speaker 1: I'm all better now, and he says, I don't know
Speaker 1: what you wanted for me, And that has led some
Speaker 1: people to think that Art was even coaching him. It
Speaker 1: could be some of the stuff could actually be just
Speaker 1: set ups. You know, he actually has people call in
Speaker 1: and sationalist again, But I don't to be fair, the
Speaker 1: fans of Coast Coast AM were perfectly capable and willing
Speaker 1: and did do that stuff all all on their own.
Speaker 1: There was no need for art Bell to fabricate any
Speaker 1: of that stuff. But he might have picked out a
Speaker 1: few who seemed rather talented at it. I mean, let's
Speaker 1: let's be honest. I've I don't know, I think you
Speaker 1: two have listened to podcasts. I mean, let's just look
Speaker 1: look at podcasts. There are podcasts that take phone calls,
Speaker 1: either live or pre or they record them, and I've
Speaker 1: listened to some of them, and after a while it's
Speaker 1: become obvious that the people that are calling in are
Speaker 1: their friends. Yea, they have coach about what to say. Now,
Speaker 1: let's take this to a broader scale of a guy
Speaker 1: who's actually got a nationwide show, and you find somebody's
Speaker 1: pretty good at this, let's work with them, let's make
Speaker 1: let's see where we can get out of it. So, actually,
Speaker 1: on on the this is a hook side. Um, there's
Speaker 1: as His name is Brian Cook. He's a comedian. He's
Speaker 1: a stam a comedian, and he has since claimed I'm
Speaker 1: the Brian who was the Brian J. L. Cook something
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't really look
Speaker 1: very much into him, I'll be honest, I did. I
Speaker 1: did a little bit of looking, and I couldn't find
Speaker 1: a whole lot on him. Well, you know what the
Speaker 1: thing is, though, I was, actually I was really peeved,
Speaker 1: is that this guy, amongst all the other things that
Speaker 1: he does, evidently he's involved through image comics making a
Speaker 1: comic as a several different comics, and I was trying
Speaker 1: to get to a store that had one of these
Speaker 1: so that I could read it, to see how good
Speaker 1: he was at creating a story and to see what
Speaker 1: his role was. You know, if he's the inker, because
Speaker 1: if he's the inchor his story creating ability doesn't count.
Speaker 1: But if he's a writer or anything like that, then
Speaker 1: that would give him some credit. Unfortunately, we had some
Speaker 1: weird weather here and it kind of stuck me in
Speaker 1: my house and I couldn't get to a store. I
Speaker 1: got to some stores, but they didn't have it. I
Speaker 1: couldn't call him the city. But the point is that's
Speaker 1: that was what really made me curious, is because they
Speaker 1: see two reasons that this guy would claim it. Either
Speaker 1: A he is a good creative and he did it,
Speaker 1: or be he's a good enough creative to realize when
Speaker 1: you need to latch onto a really good story to
Speaker 1: give yourself a little more CREDA. But the thing about
Speaker 1: it is is his his story, they told Art, at
Speaker 1: least before he got cut off, was not particularly creative
Speaker 1: or original. He worked at extra dimensional beings, and you know,
Speaker 1: we're in extreme peril. The government could save us. This
Speaker 1: is all my story. My story capability is like him
Speaker 1: realizing after the fact he can capitalize on it and
Speaker 1: build it. I mean I could. I could call into
Speaker 1: shows like this all the time and crank him once
Speaker 1: a week if I wanted to. But I think the
Speaker 1: genius if it is a hoax, is admitting it's a hoax,
Speaker 1: because nothing gives a hoax more legs than saying, oh no,
Speaker 1: it was really just totally a hoax. Sorry, folks, was
Speaker 1: it real? I swear it's really. They've got a gun
Speaker 1: into my head and all that stuff. So that's that's
Speaker 1: where that's where I'm trying it. But I couldn't his
Speaker 1: you know, his information on him as kind of shoddy
Speaker 1: and obviously self written. Yeah uh so, yeah. The only
Speaker 1: other thing I'll mentioned, I guess, and the like hoax.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We're kind of learning the lines between
Speaker 1: was it a hoax? Was it not a hoax? Um.
Speaker 1: He mentions they're going to triangulate this call real soon.
Speaker 1: But like, by the late nineties, cell phones were definitely thing,
Speaker 1: and prepaid cellphones or burner cell phones were absolutely a thing.
Speaker 1: And he he essentially claimed to have been a technician
Speaker 1: at Area fifty one, which may mean that he would
Speaker 1: be up on the latest technology, which one would assume
Speaker 1: if you're in a call into a show like this,
Speaker 1: he would like grab a burner and just toss it.
Speaker 1: He also, but that's also again, that's let's talk about
Speaker 1: this as if it's totally real. Okay, this guy is
Speaker 1: in an utter state of panic and sounds like he's
Speaker 1: in some kind of psychotic break. And I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say what caused it or what it is, but he's
Speaker 1: in some kind of break. Now, people that are in
Speaker 1: those sitch wations don't think clearly. And then we've also
Speaker 1: got to I can't believe I'm doing this but we've
Speaker 1: also got to bring into that. Well, if the government
Speaker 1: really does have the ability to knock art bell bel
Speaker 1: art bells satellite, of course, well then they're so technologically
Speaker 1: advanced then the rest of us that of course they've
Speaker 1: got away to track a cell phone regardless of if
Speaker 1: it's a burner or not. Dun, dude, Like, if you
Speaker 1: have a phone number, you can triangulate the call according
Speaker 1: to c S. I um like, no matter what, in
Speaker 1: resources to that spot to grab the guy and and
Speaker 1: and you know, Haullow off to somewhere to be brainwashed.
Speaker 1: Well that's a different story, absolutely, Yeah. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess the theory could be that they had been tracking
Speaker 1: him across the country the entire time, and they just
Speaker 1: needed his exact location and the call was just long
Speaker 1: enough that they found his exactly. I mean, you can
Speaker 1: go for hours. This is the proverbial rabbit hole it is.
Speaker 1: Here's here's the delio. I don't think, I think for
Speaker 1: Joe's corner man. Yeah, no, I mean, by if if
Speaker 1: they if the government actually did take the guy to
Speaker 1: either murder him or maybe grab him and brainwash him,
Speaker 1: or threatening him and make him call back and claim
Speaker 1: it was a hoax. Medication. Yeah, they called far more
Speaker 1: attention to the whole thing. And think about it is
Speaker 1: is people are talking about Area fifty one all the time.
Speaker 1: Nobody takes it seriously. Nobody would have taken this seriously
Speaker 1: if not for the signal and interruption, you know. So
Speaker 1: this whole idea that you know that the government shutdown
Speaker 1: their signal, it's like kind of that. I don't really
Speaker 1: have a huge amount of respect for the government. I
Speaker 1: think they're kind of dumb and inefficient most in most ways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, the fact of the matter is, is
Speaker 1: somebody in charge it Area fifty one cover up dot com?
Speaker 1: Is it would probably be smart enough to not call
Speaker 1: this kind of attention to their cause. Yeah. The other
Speaker 1: reason I think it's a hoax. This happened more than
Speaker 1: eighteen years ago, and according to the call in frantic
Speaker 1: collar U, the Earth was under imminent threat from extra
Speaker 1: dimensional beings. Well, so far, we're all still alive and
Speaker 1: the extra dimensional beings haven't slaughtered billions of us happening
Speaker 1: there's yeah, that's nothing I can see. Last of all,
Speaker 1: is it doesn't make any sense because this whole idea
Speaker 1: that will slaughter will slaughter almost everybody, and our at
Speaker 1: least will like that a lot better because fewer people
Speaker 1: are easier to control. Well, you have a fewer people
Speaker 1: means if you if you do await with the population,
Speaker 1: that means you don't have this thing called an economy anymore.
Speaker 1: It means you know, so this is this is the
Speaker 1: new world Order. It's actually interesting. One of the websites
Speaker 1: I read um so fascinating. It was about how apparently
Speaker 1: ten of the population is easily hypnotized God, and then
Speaker 1: the other nine could be hypnotized by using a drug,
Speaker 1: a mind controlling drug like fluoride in the water that
Speaker 1: the general population has to consume, and then they are
Speaker 1: more subjectible to hypnotism, and that we are all going
Speaker 1: to be cold, so that we're all just in these
Speaker 1: major places where we can all be hypnotized and do
Speaker 1: the biddings of the new world Order. So obviously that's
Speaker 1: a real thing that's happening right now. And if you
Speaker 1: would just wake up sheeople, you would know. I'm opposed
Speaker 1: to fluoride the water supplies simply because I think people
Speaker 1: should just brush their fragrant teeth. Well, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: the good news is is that Portland is immune to
Speaker 1: being hypnotized because we don't have florid in our water.
Speaker 1: Didn't do a hypnotist and their junk. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: you think that, Rosebud, But yeah, yeah, so yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess that's the whole story. There's you know, pros and
Speaker 1: cons was a home Okay, but where's the where's the
Speaker 1: it's not hoax side? I mean, is that where you're going?
Speaker 1: I mean, we've kind of been talking about it, We've
Speaker 1: just been debating it. Really, I just wanted to make
Speaker 1: sure that we didn't there's no solid argument for it's
Speaker 1: not a hoax. Okay, I was pretty sure that, but
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure. I mean, the most
Speaker 1: solid argument you can come up with is that it's
Speaker 1: a different guy that calls in the second time, and
Speaker 1: that the first guy was taken care of and they
Speaker 1: just found a guy who sounded kind of like him,
Speaker 1: and the third guy years later was I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe the original guy with I don't know, because I
Speaker 1: don't think have we clarified here? Is that the seventeen
Speaker 1: years later? Oh yeah, we I guess we didn't. Seventeen
Speaker 1: years later he calls back on and yeah, fade to black.
Speaker 1: We'll post a link to that one. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to play the audio, but he ye crazy, like actually
Speaker 1: like yelling. The host are saying, okay, you gotta calm down, dude,
Speaker 1: you're yelling, and he's like, I'm not yelling, and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's right now. It was scary. It
Speaker 1: was startling to listen to that until it finishes in
Speaker 1: Then you realize what it is and it turns into
Speaker 1: an interview with this guy who is the comic book dude,
Speaker 1: is it a cook? Yeah, jail, yeah, yeah. So it's uh,
Speaker 1: that's the interesting bit of seventeen years later, I guess.
Speaker 1: And that's the part where I was getting at where
Speaker 1: I'm saying he could be a really brilliant creative in
Speaker 1: terms of let me drag up this thing from so
Speaker 1: long ago that people have said, dude, you know you
Speaker 1: sound like that guy, and let me go ahead and
Speaker 1: use that because he goes to I mean, he writes
Speaker 1: a comic and you see him at comic book conventions.
Speaker 1: There's so many videos of him at comic book conventions.
Speaker 1: You know he's using that to drum up. You wouldn't.
Speaker 1: So that's that's why I say he possibly, Yeah, that's fair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I just I just think it's a really big coincidence.
Speaker 1: I know, you know, Steve and I were kind of
Speaker 1: talking about before we started recording. I don't believe I
Speaker 1: believe it was a hoax this call, and I believe
Speaker 1: that the satellite just happened to lose its Earth track
Speaker 1: at that particular moment. But I do think it is
Speaker 1: one heck of a coincidence that it happened to happen
Speaker 1: at the same time. I mean, it is true. It's
Speaker 1: it could have gone off five minutes before and nobody
Speaker 1: would really care, you know, and it's it's just so
Speaker 1: crazy that this happened at this time. But in fairness,
Speaker 1: it happened to fifty other channels, and we've like it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Yeah, because they were talking about Martha Stewards
Speaker 1: duck soup recipe, or like, the thing that was in
Speaker 1: the news that year was that the state of Princess
Speaker 1: Diana was going to sue the hotel that the driver
Speaker 1: had been drinking at. That was what was in the
Speaker 1: news at that point, So they were maybe talking about that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe, oh my god, maybe it
Speaker 1: was actually the British royal family because they didn't have
Speaker 1: everybody else talking about it. What what happened with that lawsuit?
Speaker 1: By the way, I don't know. You know what this
Speaker 1: is also not a show about. Is Princess Diana did that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I never want to do it again. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do you guys? You guys disagreed? You do you agree?
Speaker 1: You think it was a hoax? What's up? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: think that the call the call was a hoax and
Speaker 1: it was just a coincidence. Yeah, that's what I think,
Speaker 1: because again, this guy had really nothing to say. He
Speaker 1: calls him, pretending to be in hysterics, and he says
Speaker 1: some vague crap about extra dimensional beings and there's a
Speaker 1: huge threat. YadA, YadA, YadA. Come on, dude, if you
Speaker 1: were really an Area fifty one, you would actually have
Speaker 1: some good choose the original information for us instead of
Speaker 1: just as well. I guess. I will just point out
Speaker 1: that this is in your frame of reference of in
Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen, versus less was out there about
Speaker 1: or about Area fifty one. But I well, but but
Speaker 1: out there doesn't matter. If he worked at Area fifty one,
Speaker 1: the logic is he would be privy to what I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, is that out there are means like that.
Speaker 1: It could have seemed like the stuff he was saying.
Speaker 1: He it was revelations, right, I got you verses now,
Speaker 1: but I agree, I totally he should Yeah, if he
Speaker 1: actually knew something about what was going on, he should
Speaker 1: have said so. He would have said so he said that,
Speaker 1: he said nothing but vague bs. Yeah, yeah, and so
Speaker 1: there you go, Steve no. I I totally think that
Speaker 1: it's a coincidence. I mean, if this guy had been
Speaker 1: if it had been a different color. Five minutes later,
Speaker 1: talking about the reptilians in the Flat World, we be
Speaker 1: talking today about the art Bell Flat World broadcast interruption,
Speaker 1: or if it had happened during a commercial break, nobody
Speaker 1: would have given a yeah it doesn't. There are outages,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean the TV stations and radio stations
Speaker 1: getting knocked off the air temporarily for all kinds of reasons.
Speaker 1: So this is this is the first. It's a consensus. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's not a it's not first, it's a rarity. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: So I think the lizard people did it. That's our show.
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