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Speaker 1: answer too. Hey, everyone, welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways.

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Speaker 1: the Scrilllox remix. Well, I'm Devin, joined as usual by

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Speaker 1: and Steve remix. No, he doesn't know how he knows

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Speaker 1: how to mix our show pretty good. And that's about

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Speaker 1: it at yeah. Yeah. Um, So this week we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about mystery that I'm calling art Bell in

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Speaker 1: the Area fifty one broadcast. You'll sometimes see it as

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Speaker 1: like the Coast to Coast AM broadcast interruption caller, lots

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Speaker 1: of different stuff, and you did see Area fifty one

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Speaker 1: an episode about fifty one. We're going to spend paltry

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Speaker 1: little time talking about. Yeah, we will talk about in

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Speaker 1: the future. We actually we're going to do a twelve

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Speaker 1: Did that just out our internal Well you didn't give

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Speaker 1: oh man, No, that's a lie. But we will probably

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Speaker 1: at some point to area fifty one or at least

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Speaker 1: to a show, um and it was a listener suggestion

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Speaker 1: Weirdest unsolved artifact mystery. I love those. They're like background

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Speaker 1: weirdest broadcast interruptions, and I was like, I know all

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Speaker 1: also happens to be an actual, real life freemason. Um,

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Speaker 1: if he was really a freemason, would you tell us? Yeah? No,

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Speaker 1: What we're talking about today is a specific incident that

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Speaker 1: we had to I used to listen to this show

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, you know, I just want

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Speaker 1: to clarify that for people like, well, god, it's been

428
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: a long time your memory. No, I listened to it

429
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: like today, um and it. I didn't hear any of

430
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: that stuff. But hey, but apparently some people called him

431
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: and said, oh, yeah, no, I saw an EMP or

432
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 1: like I. One of the guys said apparently allegedly said, uh,

433
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I have a wall of firewall up around

434
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: all of my things that are sensitive to E m

435
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: p s, but I saw an EMP bounce up into

436
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: the clouds off of my like firewalls or something. I

437
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: don't know, man, as you using words that you don't

438
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: know the meaning it really is. It's just putting English

439
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: words together. I mean, I didn't know anybody could see

440
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: in the MP's well, by the way, Yeah, for those

441
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: of you who know know what the MP is, it's

442
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: electromagnetic pulse. Uh. That's the kind of thing that can

443
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: be reproduced like artificially. Like the military is working on

444
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: a directed energy weapon that can do this. But it's energy,

445
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: not light, not a light energy yeah, not light. Yeah.

446
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: So any MP is produced by a nuclear explosion. Um,

447
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: and it's also can be produced by just a solar flare.

448
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: All kinds of things can overload and and fry or

449
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: delicate electronic devices. Did you see did you see Oceans twelve? Yes?

450
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: I have not seen that yet. If you saw, you

451
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: know what an MP is. Yeah, right, and that's clarified.

452
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: Set it off, I know you do. Yeah. Anyways, some

453
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: of you may be familiar with this story and you

454
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: may be a little confused about why we might talk

455
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: about it. And for those of you who don't know

456
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: why they might be confused, it's because on April a

457
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: man calling himself Brian called into the east of the

458
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: Rockies line and says that he was the Area fifty

459
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: one caller and that it was all a hoax. He

460
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: says that had the call not then cut off, the

461
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: whole thing would have blown over and no one would

462
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: have been the wiser. He says that he often called

463
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: wild card or themed lines on the Art Bell Show,

464
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: doing quote unquote fun characters, wacky characters, uh, and that

465
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: this was just one of those, and that you know,

466
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: if it hadn't been interrupted in the middle of it,

467
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: everybody would have just written it off. And of course,

468
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: Art being an intelligent human being to that point, says, Okay,

469
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: so why if it was a hoax, why did we

470
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: get knocked off the air? That's a good question, a

471
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: good question, and um Brian of course has no answer. Yeah.

472
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: And they also wanted to, like pi Ryan down on

473
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: like what they talked did they ask like what they

474
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: talked about like just before but also after they got

475
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: knocked off the air. No, I didn't hear that part. No,

476
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: I don't remember that being a thing. I don't think

477
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: he asked him like what did we talk about? He

478
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: wanted him to reproduce the character. Yeah, he just wanted

479
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: to see if he if this guy could prove to

480
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: him that he was a and he does try. Uh,

481
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: we'll talk a little bit about our individual feelings about

482
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: said call, but again, since we can play it, we

483
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: may as well, So we're just gonna play a little bit.

484
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: Any buttons running. I always get very nervous when when

485
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: I call you. I'm Brian, I hung up on your

486
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: last week. I see, and uh, I just figured, damn

487
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: the torpedoes. I'll just do this and let the chips

488
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: fall where they will. Um, everybody, I am the Area

489
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: fifty one caller. Um, that's that's my statement. And let

490
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: you or whatever tear it apart. You claim you're the

491
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: Area fifty one. I I am the man. How do

492
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: you account for the fact Area fifty one that part

493
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: of the way through your spiel the satellite went down.

494
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: I have no idea, and it scared the heb gbs

495
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: out of me that night. I've called a number of

496
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: times on your specialty, lying nights, doing different and all

497
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: kind of wacky characters. And that's all that one was

498
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: supposed to be. And if the call had been completed,

499
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: it would have been ancient history by now. And has

500
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: it Has it occurred to you as Barbara Mars Hubbard

501
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: suggested tonight that perhaps if you're really what you say

502
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: you are, you created the reality of the rest of

503
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: the situation and took down my satellite. That scares the

504
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,479
Speaker 1: heb gbs out of me because it means that what

505
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: I was saying was somehow correct and it was fabrication,

506
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: kind of creating, creating a reality. Yeah. If if that

507
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: was the case, I humbly apologize to you, because I

508
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: love your show and the last thing I would ever

509
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: want to do is not being all the air m

510
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: So what what what can I do to prove my

511
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: claim here? Well? I guess you could. You could you

512
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: could give us a little of what you gave us then,

513
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: so that we could hear it and know it to

514
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: be you. Are you sure you want me to do that?

515
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: I'm positive? Don't please, I don't want you to ask

516
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: me to do this. Um, if if I start doing that, guy, Okay,

517
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: so now you've heard that too, and I've got to

518
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: do a passible limitation there. I I agree with that.

519
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: Steve has some other thoughts, but he's going to keep

520
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: his mouth shut for a little while. Steve, Yes, The

521
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: thing is is, I've read some reports that this guy

522
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: called back even a few months after this April nineteen call,

523
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: after the confession and says, oh, no, I was brainwashed

524
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: and told that I had to do that they would

525
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: kill me. But my first call was true. And then

526
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: they were trying to cover their tracks, which is the

527
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: perfect con Oh, it absolutely is. And also I've never

528
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: seen a date attached to this claim that he called back,

529
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: so I wasn't able to. I looked around the time.

530
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: I thought it might have been. But these episodes are like,

531
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 1: his show was three hours long, and frankly, I just

532
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: don't have the time to listen to a lot of

533
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: a couple of months worth of three hour episodes. Why

534
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: don't you quit your job? I art was on how

535
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: many days a week? Every day? Seven days a week?

536
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: Five that love? That's that's a lot. Actually, I assume

537
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: the commercials were pruned out, so it was probably more

538
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: like about an hour and a half. It's two hours solid,

539
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: two hours of content at least. Yeah, yeah, it's not

540
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: that's hard to find. Yeah, and especially since it's just,

541
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of minute call and the whole thing.

542
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: This guy Brian, maybe not Brian, maybe somebody else did

543
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: call a different show called Fade to Black seventeen years later,

544
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: and he sounded real crazy. Again. It may not again,

545
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: it may not have been him with a call in show.

546
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: There's you can only take a person at their word.

547
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: But he he sounded real crazy, like extra crazy, like

548
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: scary crazy. But that was the last we've heard from him.

549
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: But there have been these reports of sporadically this same

550
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: person or somebody imitating this person calling in to the

551
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: art Bell Show, and then subsequent shows that are connected

552
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: to the Art Bell Show or any of art Bell shows.

553
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: So at this point we have more than one mystery. Yeah,

554
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: am I correct? Yeah? Yeah, we do. Okay, So stellar

555
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: what what? What specifically are the mysteries at this point.

556
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: Here's the two mysteries that we've been talking about. One

557
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: is is the caller a hoax? And two what kicked

558
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: the broadcast off the air? Okay? Okay, cool, cool cool.

559
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: So now that we've talked about what our mysteries are,

560
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: we have to take another step back and talk a

561
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: little bit about Oh goody, I thought we were going

562
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: to talk about it. No, it's not an episode about

563
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,239
Speaker 1: at one, but we do have to talk a little bit.

564
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: We have a little bit Yeah. As I said, Jonathan

565
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: did quite a literal seventeen page synopsis of Jonathan our

566
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: expert Omason expert, Yeah, which was super helpful and I'm

567
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: not going to even touch like of the information that

568
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: he gave us. It was huge and I read every

569
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: single word of it and we'll use it later at one.

570
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: Um is top secret, like so top secret that it

571
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: wasn't until two thousand thirteen that the CIA slash the

572
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: government officially recognized that it was a real thing publicly. Yeah.

573
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: They Until then, the government had been saying, no, there's

574
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: nothing there, what are you talking about? Even though this

575
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: entire air force based complex is huge. The US government

576
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: actually owns of Nevada, the state of Nevada, they do,

577
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: and Area fifty one, for those of you who don't know,

578
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: is part of the Nevada Test and Training Range in

579
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: book You Guessed It, Nevada if the testing facility made

580
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: up of two areas, the Nellis Air Force Range and

581
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: the Nevada Test Site. Together they form the quote largest

582
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: contiguous air and ground space available for peacetime military operations

583
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: in the free world unquote, which is four thousand five

584
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: it and thirty one square miles, which equates to eleven thousand,

585
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: seven hundred and thirty five square kilometers for those of

586
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: you who are not Miley inclined, that's the technical term.

587
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: So literally the rest of the world is only three

588
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: countries that used the system. Where Yeah. UM. For for comparison,

589
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: if anybody's interested, Uh, the entire state of Connecticut is

590
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: five thousand, five hundred and forty three square miles, so

591
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,959
Speaker 1: they're almost bit smaller than that entire state. Yea should

592
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: be a state of their own. Yeah. Originally Nevada as

593
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: a donut state originally. Uh. This base was broken into

594
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: areas which were numbered, which is why Area fifty one

595
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: is called are one. It was the fifty first area

596
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: that you see. Area twelve you see yet it's it's

597
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: as a very military way to go about up for military. Uh.

598
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: And then there are facilities within Area fifty one. One

599
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: is the Homey Airport, and then there's a salt flat

600
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: that they use for the testing facility, which is called

601
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: Groom Lake. UM. And as a fun aside, when the

602
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: facility was being built there, they called it Paradise Ranch

603
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: so that the workers would come work there because they

604
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 1: didn't want to call it like some weird unnamed secret

605
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: test facility. They were like, it's Paradise Ranch. Build this

606
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: giants salty. So that's why sometimes you'll see it called

607
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: Paradise Ranch or Paradise or the Ranch. UM. It's officially,

608
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: I think officially they call it Dreamland. That's its official nickname,

609
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: but everybody else calls it Paradise Ranch. Also important, there's

610
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: a military contractor firm called Edgerton, Gurmashausen and greer Ink

611
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: or G and G, which was wholly owned by the

612
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: shadowy Carlisle Group from one they're owned by a different

613
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: contracting firm. Military contracting firm E G and G also

614
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: operated Janet for a while, which is one of the

615
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 1: most fun parts of the military for me. People think

616
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: that it's just it's an acronym for just another non

617
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: existent terminal, which is UM operated out of Las Vegas

618
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: McCarron International Airport, and it's the U. S. Air Forces

619
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: small fleet of passenger planes that applies mill military personnel

620
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: from mccaren to like Area fifty one in places like that.

621
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: Of these guys, yeah, they've got some seven thirty seven's

622
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: and their their planes are there notable there for their

623
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: their red and white. Yeah, they have been spotted mostly

624
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: in Vegas. But yeah, they're very distinctly made so that

625
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: you can, you know, like somebody at the Air Force

626
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: can look up and say, oh, yeah that planet, that

627
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: plane is supposed to be landing here, or oh no,

628
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: that's not all right. Steve looks like he has things

629
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: to say. Oh no, I was just gonna I just

630
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: just suddenly popped into my head, is I realized it's

631
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: not at air at least that I know of. But

632
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: a guy I know, his son was stationed in Nevada

633
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: in somewhere in this space, and it has the ranges.

634
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: And it's a funny story is that, you know, they

635
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: have their testing ranges where they're blowing stuff up and

636
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: they're shooting munitions off all the time, and they all

637
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: enjoyed great self service with Verizon, and then one day

638
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: their self service was toast. It didn't work. The Eventually

639
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: they figured out that what happened is somehow and I

640
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: think it's this is the right areas that Verizon had

641
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: put a tower inside of the range accidentally somehow, you know,

642
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: plat map whatever, somebody got their location wrong, and so

643
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: the tower was actually on the base in the range

644
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: and they blew it up and was doing a bunch

645
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: of hand waving of US military you've got to pay

646
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: for this, and US military going, you built it on

647
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: our land, which happens to be a firing range. I

648
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: think you know where you can put your antenna and

649
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: obviously never paid. This episode brought to you by a

650
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: Verizon wireless No, we don't, but no. I thought it

651
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: was hilarious that it was one of these ranges and

652
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: it just somebody put the tower in the wrong but

653
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, the munitions could have easily overshot the range.

654
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: That's what happened. Area. You can look up pictures if

655
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: you haven't ever. It's real easy. It's just desert and

656
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: there's just signs. And I mean, as far as I

657
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: can tell, the reports are if you accidentally wander into

658
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: the wrong place, somebody will drive up to you in

659
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: a truck and say, uh, nope, get out of here,

660
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: get out of here, and you go, well, I don't know,

661
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: they go no, seriously, gun point out you get out

662
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: of here. But I've never had that happened. And I imagined,

663
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: if it's on a range, at the firing range, it's

664
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: for girls. Oh yeah, sure, So Okay, so we've gotten

665
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: way off topic because we were talking about E. G

666
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: and G. And the reason that that's important is they

667
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: provide technical and development services to the government, um since

668
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: pretty much forever, like starting in like World War two, forever.

669
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: In fact, they did contract at Groom Lake starting in

670
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: the fifties working on atomic weapons and aircraft. H And

671
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: it's important because this sets a little bit of a

672
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: president's because in the mid ninety nineties it's accepted lore.

673
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't again you know, of course you can't find

674
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: it corroborated anywhere, but it's like very well accepted mainstream

675
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: lore that there was a class action lawsuit filed against

676
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: US government by current and former employees of E. G

677
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: and G. Well, we'll talk about that in a second,

678
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: since everything here, you know, every one at all is

679
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: top secret or above top secret. And there's some discussion

680
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 1: about how some hogwash about the president isn't even briefed

681
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: on the things that happened at Area fifty one, which

682
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: is total bunk because that's stupid. Will Smith movie, Yeah

683
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: that had the aliens in the Yeah, it might be

684
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: one of those things and not actually bring up to

685
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: the president. But if the President asked about it. Maybe

686
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: who wouldn't I mean my first question. Yeah, no, Anyways,

687
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: since it is so top secret, even the trash at

688
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: the facility is top secret, Like you could throw away

689
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: wrapper and they're like, that's top secret, and they burn

690
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: it all. They run all the trash, and this has

691
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: caused some very serious health I can't imagine. Yeah, it

692
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: turns out it's actually a lot of health problems. And

693
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: apparently did an episode on this, but I wasn't able

694
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: to find that. I did read an article UM on

695
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: the Washington Post that was called Area fifty one. Colin's

696
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: Secrets under the Sun details a lot of this stuff

697
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: that UM construction workers and people who are local and

698
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: people who claim to have worked in area fift to

699
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: one Groom Lake sort of area. It's very well documented

700
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: they do have health problems, and it's most likely, of course,

701
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: it's from that stuff, because like, why wouldn't it be

702
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: If you're burning trash, you're burning a lot of stuff

703
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: that you shouldn't be in Haley. Yeah, so this sets

704
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: some precedents for employees having to be put on medical leave,

705
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: whether or not that was common knowledge in the mid

706
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: to late nine nineties, is up to you. That's so

707
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: that's why that aside was important. Okay, cool, So well

708
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: let's talk about why the broadcast drop first. There's a

709
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: lot of theories about what caused the broadcast to drop,

710
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: so we'll talk about that first, because I I don't

711
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: know why. That just seems to flow better that I

712
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: think that we can get to. So I agree with this,

713
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: and we have to decide if, if why the broadcast

714
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: went down, to decide if it was a hoax. True, yeah,

715
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: well actually they could be unrelated. No, there's no such

716
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: thing as a coincidence. As I mentioned, Art Bell is

717
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: a very experienced broadcaster, and for him to publicly and

718
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: openly say that he doesn't know what happened, which he

719
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 1: maintains still to this day, I think it's pretty big.

720
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: I personally like, just because I guess he's a hero

721
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 1: of mine. It turns out or something choose to believe

722
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: that if it were something mundane like a like an

723
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: accident happened in the studio or you know, something like

724
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 1: that simple text, he would he would come out and say, Oh,

725
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: somebody you know, for instance, Joe's theory that will discuss

726
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: tripped over a wire. He would say some due tripped

727
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: over a power cards. Sorry, guys, that sucked, but it happened.

728
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 1: But it's also in his interest to build the theater,

729
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: because what he does is make theater. And I'm not

730
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying theater in the way of belittal, but

731
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: he has an audience who wants to hear a certain

732
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and it is kind of a beautiful opportunity.

733
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: I just think that he would have said that later.

734
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: Um sure, the first couple of years short when somebody

735
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: asks him thirty years later, hey did this happen? And

736
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: he says, hmmm, he's not saying that, and we'll get

737
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: to that. But so theory number one, Joe's theory. Somebody

738
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: tripped over a wire and accidentally not plugged the transmitter

739
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, so let me ask you this. Um.

740
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: So it went out and then the network put archives,

741
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: put the archives sound archives audio. That's what it sounded

742
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: like happened on the broadcast because his first caller when

743
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: they start broadcasting again, says, oh, it was weird. I

744
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: was I was hearing this frantic caller and then suddenly

745
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: I was hearing this other show which the I guess

746
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: the channel the AM channel put on there. That seems

747
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: wrong to me. Well, what I'm trying to understand. I

748
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: mean it was so he's broadcasting out of a building

749
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: that is a radio station, which is an affiliate of

750
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: the network that he's on. Correct, Sure, Okay, I don't

751
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: know how set up. And so they either have a

752
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: landline link to the network or they have a satellite

753
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: up link. Satellite, so it was a network and not

754
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: his local affiliate that plugged in the archives audio, right,

755
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: that would make the most that would otherwise. I mean,

756
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: they were broadcast on hundreds of different channels. It wasn't

757
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: like one channel was just a radio show on FM

758
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: channels on affiliate channels around the country. Yeah, but yeah,

759
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: he had a I know, he had a satellite up

760
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: There was a satellite up link and all that stuff. Okay,

761
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: I just wanted to clarify all that. Yeah, No, it's

762
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: a good clarification for sure. Yeah. So next theory is

763
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: the official line the satellite lost its earth link. I

764
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: did some digging on this because that sounds like a

765
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: thing that shouldn't really happen. Um, But it does. They

766
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: are complicated, but they do actually track this sort of stuff.

767
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: You can find a record, um, even specific to the satellite.

768
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: I did look up which satellite they were using for

769
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: this specific one. It's a satellite called g E one

770
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: slash AMC one, and apparently, according to the official line,

771
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: it lost its earth lock, rolled into an attitude that

772
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 1: didn't point to the station up links anymore, which apparently

773
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: caused about fifty channels to go off air for about

774
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. There were a couple shows stations that went

775
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: off for much longer than that. Reportedly, Again, I didn't

776
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: find any reports of other channels going down that night,

777
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: but that was the official line. And he even says

778
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: the next day, um, I listened to the show that

779
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: happened on September twelve, and he says, this is what

780
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: this is what our engineers told us happened. There's he

781
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: names another show. He says they were off for like

782
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: an hour. So that was the official line. I guess

783
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 1: I kind of accept that. Well, I was looking for

784
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: any information out there, and there's a there isn't anything

785
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: pertaining specifically to this satellite, but there is actually a

786
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 1: ton of information about satellites, and I've did I dug

787
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: into that because while I know this drives people crazy,

788
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: I personally totally buy the official line. Yeah. I mean

789
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: that's just the way I am. And I know that

790
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: I've got some stuff that I looked into, and I

791
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: know Joe and I were digging into some stuff earlier

792
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: today boilering me. Okay, whatever, a little, a little bit okay.

793
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: So it turns out satellites go of course pretty easily,

794
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: because we've talked about this before with the UM the

795
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: Black Night satellite. That satellites they run basically around the

796
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: equator and it's a ring and then there's a ring

797
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: around that. So there's two set rings of satellites around

798
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: their planet. That's it would have been in one of

799
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: those rings. But things that throw them off course are

800
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: geomagnetic storms because they screw with the electronics and that's ah,

801
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: but it doesn't that's not going to really throw it

802
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: off course. It's orbit. It's going to remain unchanged. Well,

803
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: but if they are trying to correct anything in an orbit,

804
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: or if it initiates an orbital change by screwing up

805
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: the software, because geomagnetic pulses are their solar flares, right,

806
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: Because we were looking at this and there was a

807
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: notable one on the tent. So one day before it

808
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: was one of the was the top fifty. Yeah, in

809
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: the list of the top the top. So so it's

810
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: a big storm. And so that can screw up the

811
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: program because the things that happened with the software is

812
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: that there can be glitches where it tries to do

813
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: things that it shouldn't be or it stops responding to command.

814
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: So ground command says, nop do this, and it says

815
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't rive gets an attitude problem exactly. Um,

816
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: So that can happen. And the way that they move

817
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 1: satellites is they have a thing inside of them which

818
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: is called they call them momentum wheels, their flywheels. Correct, Yeah,

819
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: they're well, yeah, they're just they rotate and there's three

820
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: of them and this is the simple, simple version. But

821
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: there's three of them, one on each axis of the satellite.

822
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: And what happens is the problem is that if it spins,

823
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: it'll spin clockwise or counterclockwise version. Keep it as simple

824
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: as that. And it has a maximum rpm. And once

825
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: it reaches its maximum rpm to try to force the

826
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: rotation or or stop the rotation, then that reaches what

827
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: they call for satellites, the saturation. So let's say that

828
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: the wheel is spinning at maximum and then something happens

829
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: to stop that. Well, the damn thing is then going

830
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: to start twisting in space and roll out of its orbit.

831
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: Because that's what happened, is it rolled. Satellite is pointing

832
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: down the dish, pointing to where it's supposed to be,

833
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: and then it rolls in one of three directions, whichever

834
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: the case may be, but enough that it loses the link.

835
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: So it's a it's a role is the problem. Yeah,

836
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: it's like again, it stays in the same stays in

837
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: the correct or, but it just isn't pointing exactly what

838
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: it needs to be pointing any right. And the other

839
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: thing that happens with satellites, and this isn't anything. I mean,

840
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: the official explanation is that it uh, it went, it

841
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: lost its locket rotated. But I've also read about satellites

842
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: that get a power surge, and one of their safety

843
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: functions when they get a surge is to shut down

844
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: and dump all of the battery power to just you know,

845
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 1: to get rid of it and start from a new charge,

846
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: which means it stops transmitting, which is a problem. And

847
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: this is the reason I bring this up is that

848
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: there are in the last couple of years a couple

849
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: of satellites that we know have had problems. And so

850
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: when we talk about, well, some of these other affiliates

851
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: didn't go down, well, these affiliates may have. I'm not

852
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: gonna I don't want to say that the folks that

853
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: were working with Art or whoever he was he was

854
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: working with, weren't necessarily the best, but they may not

855
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: have been aware of the fact that there was a

856
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: problem with the satellite, because sometimes you can't fix them,

857
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: and they slowly drift and they'll drift into another satellites

858
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: orbit and get screwed up or screw that satellite up,

859
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: and a lot of times what they do is they

860
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: switch the feeds from one to another. But if you're

861
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: not paying attention and you don't know if that's going

862
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: to happen, the thing just stops working and it's in space.

863
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: It's not like you can just send the cable guy

864
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: up there and fix it. So then you're off the

865
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: air for a half hour until either it drifts out

866
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: or range, or it comes back online, or you switch

867
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 1: to a different satellite. Like there's all these really really

868
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: logical reasons why the stupid thing just went out, and

869
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen all the time, which is why for

870
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: Coast to coast it's only happened once. Yeah, I guess

871
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: we can talk about this a little bit when we

872
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: start talking about is it a hoax or not? But again,

873
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about coincidences, and this is a

874
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: hell of a coincidence, you know, and I guess I'm not.

875
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy to say this collar was a hoax,

876
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about all the reasons why am I not?

877
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: And I'm happy to say that it just happened that

878
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: the satellite happened to lose its Earth block at exactly

879
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: that right time. But like what a time to lose that,

880
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: you know, if it had happened five minutes beforehand, when

881
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: he was in an ad or half an hour beforehand,

882
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: when he was on the line with some other caller

883
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: or some interview, we'd never give out, which which is

884
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: the same thing that we've heard from a lot of

885
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,959
Speaker 1: the reading had a lot of folks, and I kind

886
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: of agree, like I think that it's only the coincidence

887
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: that has made this stand probably, but let's keep talking

888
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: about what happened before, you you know, really lost boilery.

889
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: Me can't do broadcast things anymore. You guys always ruin

890
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: it for me. Okay. So next up is UM the

891
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: conspiracy and e MP from the US Air Force as previously,

892
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: like I talked about earlier, from Verizon Wireless definitely not

893
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,959
Speaker 1: our sponsor. So yeah, there's some conspiracy theories that say

894
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: that the US Air Force was listening into the broadcast

895
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: and that the caller was speaking truth, so they had

896
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: to knock Art off the air. I don't give this

897
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: one much stock, specifically, if it was just this like

898
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: e m P, it wouldn't have knocked all fifty of

899
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: these things out, although maybe they sent an electrical surge

900
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: up to this one satellite. Satellite satellite basically be a laser. Yeah,

901
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: they would have to use They could use harp. I

902
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: don't know probably that right that herp is one of

903
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: the things that people talk about this. If you don't

904
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: know what harp is, go google it. Not not the

905
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: musical instrument a A r P A A r P

906
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: or h A r r P. I can't remember one

907
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: of the two. Someday someday we will probably cover that too,

908
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: but not to But yeah, I say the so he

909
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: this is this whole thing. Is he e m P

910
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: d art bell? So that does that mean the e

911
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: MP arts equipment at the at the affiliate. Good question, Joe.

912
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: And how the hell did he move is his his

913
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: MP gear into this? Good question, Joe. Actually, one of

914
00:54:55,040 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: the callers earlier that night says, so, um, this September

915
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: eleven broadcast was meant to actually happen on September the

916
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: Area one open show, but Art was sick that day.

917
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: He had totally you know, said he'd been saying for

918
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: weeks and months, maybe even that we're going to do

919
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: an Area fifty one caller show. We're gonna do it.

920
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 1: It's gonna be on this night. It's gonna be on

921
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: this night. And then he got sick, so they didn't

922
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: do it on that night. Then the next night, and

923
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: one of the earlier callers from that September eleven show said, oh, yeah, no,

924
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: we knew you weren't gonna do it last night, so

925
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: I just went to bed, so I called you. I

926
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: called you tonight instead. We knew the government that I

927
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 1: worked for, we knew. So I guess by following that logic,

928
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: the Air Force could have known that they were going

929
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: to do that show, and that it was possible that

930
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: this guy they had left out, you know, let out

931
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: no no nice try though. Yeah, I know that the military,

932
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: our military has been working on directed energy weapons and

933
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: essentially they want to control the m people. It's weapons,

934
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: so you can take take out out of the aircraft

935
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: of course, you and other electronics. Yeah, yeah, it's a

936
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: cool idea, it is. I don't know if we had

937
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: the operational versions of that stuff at I don't think.

938
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: You don't know, maybe we did. Yeah, that's true. The

939
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: one other theory that I have we actually we're actually okay,

940
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: we are going to talk about it is an interesting one.

941
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: And like, this show is not about Area fifty one

942
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: or coast Coast a m. This is not a show

943
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: about actualization. However, it just so happens that when the

944
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: caller called back in April, Art had been interviewing a

945
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: woman named Barbara Marks Hubbard, who's a futurist and a

946
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: yeah for the confession call, it's a she's a co

947
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: creationist or something like that. You can look all this

948
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: stuff up, just google her and read about her stuff.

949
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: But one of the things she was apparently talking about

950
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: was that you can turn reality into the thing that

951
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: you've been visualizing, if under the right circumstances. I don't know.

952
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: Don't look at me like that. This is the I

953
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: think positive Well, it takes further than that. It's that's

954
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: the simplified, at the most simplified version. Yeah, I think

955
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: it's an interesting concept. Whether or not I believe it,

956
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: who knows not you um, but Art does suggest when

957
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: this caller comes back, calls back to confess in April,

958
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: he says, well, what do you think about what Art

959
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: is talking about? And he said, you know what, it's

960
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: possible that I just was creating this character that was

961
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: so freaked out that it knocked your show off the air,

962
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: which sounds wrong to me, but I'm willing to mention it.

963
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: At least we've mentioned weirder, more far out things. So

964
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: those are the theories about what knocked the broadcast off

965
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: the air. We'll talk about whether or not this was

966
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: a hoax. So yeah, I mean, obviously it's a hoax, right,

967
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he called back and he said it himself,

968
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: he said he made it up. He did well, or

969
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: somebody who sounds like yeah, there's that, I have to

970
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: say what he swung into his invitation of the previous color.

971
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: He did a pretty credible did I have some problem

972
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: he sounds? It's his impression. The first time I heard it,

973
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: I laughed actually, because it sounded like he was trying

974
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: really hard to sound like the guy before. Does that

975
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: make sense? Yes? Yeah, and I work very hard to imitate. Yeah,

976
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: And it sounded almost funny because it was like a

977
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 1: funny imitation a little bit of this guy's freak out.

978
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: But I know that Steve, you played with the audio

979
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: a little bit and you did get it to sound

980
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: pretty dang close. Yeah. That The hard part is when

981
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: you listen to this and you get the YouTube videos.

982
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: Of course, you can't play him one right next to

983
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: each other, and that makes it hard. And the original

984
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,479
Speaker 1: call is in a much lower quality than the second call.

985
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: I I don't know why that is, whether it's the

986
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: phone line, the phone whatever, it doesn't matter. The quality

987
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: is different, so they they sound very different. But I

988
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: was able to degrade the confession call so that it

989
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: matched as roughly as one could do it very simply,

990
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: and they sound similar. But you know, the thing that

991
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: I keyed in on it wasn't his voice, because the voices,

992
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's close, and would you not agree it's close?

993
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: But I mean, like you guys can sound make your

994
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: voices sound kind of the same. I mean, but what

995
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: I keyed on is we all have a speech pattern

996
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: and a speech rate, and if you listen to that guy,

997
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: he takes a lot of stuttered gaspings. He makes a

998
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: lot of stutters and gasps, and he doesn't very repetitive

999
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: and kind of close, and they are to me, they

1000
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: that sounds exactly the same. And he does it many

1001
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: times in the first call, and he doesn't I think

1002
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: at least twice in the second call, I guess, and

1003
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: I cut those up. I actually cut him out and

1004
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: tried to play him in in sequence to each other,

1005
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: and it is almost identical. And that's not something that

1006
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: you can just change or mimic very easily because it's

1007
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: a breathing pattern and the way you know your voice,

1008
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: your diaphragm, all that stuff works like they're So that's

1009
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: why I was like, oh, it's the same dude, totally

1010
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: same dude. The voice changes because of the quality, but

1011
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: there are these things that he can't control. There have

1012
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: been moments in like listening and relistening where I've said

1013
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: to myself, I could probably do a fair impression of this.

1014
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: I can't right now if I haven't actually been listening

1015
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: to it. But can everybody stop Devin do it? No, No,

1016
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: I can't do it. You really want me to do that?

1017
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: It was pretty good. It was good, No realistic. I'm

1018
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: gonna put you in with the same effect do Yeah,

1019
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: it's going to be perfect yet. So another point to

1020
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: bring up is at one point that when the caller

1021
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: calls back, he's he says, when you listen to his

1022
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: call back, it's really weird. Uh. The first callback in

1023
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: in he says, Okay, I hung up on you a

1024
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: week ago. So he had apparently been trying to call

1025
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: um and got kept getting freaked out, and he says

1026
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: he says things like I just don't I just didn't

1027
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: know what you wanted from the art, or um, I'm

1028
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: all better now, or either's just like little bits. Hang

1029
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: on just a second. So the first call happened in

1030
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: September eleven, and the confession call happened in April. So

1031
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: that does bring up a question because he said I

1032
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: called you last week. Can you hung up on you?

1033
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: Know I hung up on you or I hung up

1034
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:07,959
Speaker 1: on you. I'm sorry flipping around, which then I could

1035
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: never find the dates. I had of real difficult time

1036
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: finding the dates of the broadcast. But that, to me

1037
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: makes me feel like the confession call should be slid

1038
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: back in time into in the second or third week

1039
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: of September. If he says I called, I called last

1040
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: week and I hung up on you, I'm presuming he

1041
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: meant I hung up on you when I was doing

1042
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: my wacky, crazy character and at the end of my

1043
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: crazy character call, I hung up. The long would seem

1044
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: that way, but I listened to the April episode of

1045
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: Coast Coast AM that is when he called from the

1046
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: east of the Rockies line and said, I hung up

1047
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: on you last week. I want to confess I am

1048
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: the area fifty one caller in that event, and he

1049
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: was just frustrated about like not being on hold for

1050
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 1: hours or something like. I mean, I think that, he says.

1051
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,919
Speaker 1: He at one point mentions that he's called a fair

1052
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: number of times to do you know the way, But

1053
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: he also he says, for the last year it's been

1054
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: it's been crazy, And he says, I called you last

1055
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: week and I hung up on you because I was

1056
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: nervous basically, So I don't know. Okay, that that solves

1057
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: the time frame question. You yeah, absolutely, yeah, because that's

1058
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: that was one of the things I always presumed, incorrectly

1059
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: obviously that he was infection was a week or so late. No,

1060
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: And he maintains throughout the entire thing, he maintains that

1061
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: he has no idea what caused the shutdown the shutdown,

1062
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: and as far as I read it, it's hard to tell.

1063
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: It's it's hard to tell if the phone line stayed

1064
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: up through the entire thing, or if his entire performance,

1065
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: if it was a performance, yeah, or if they shut

1066
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: down with whatever was going on or what was happening again,

1067
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: because I don't I can't find anything from art Um

1068
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: or any of the producers or anything like that, and

1069
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: he firsthand accounts. It's all just kind of conjecture of

1070
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: what happened during those thirty minutes of of that. But

1071
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: he does, I mean, you know, he says some weird

1072
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: things when he calls back, things like he does say

1073
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm all better now, and he says, I don't know

1074
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: what you wanted for me, And that has led some

1075
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: people to think that Art was even coaching him. It

1076
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: could be some of the stuff could actually be just

1077
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: set ups. You know, he actually has people call in

1078
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: and sationalist again, But I don't to be fair, the

1079
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: fans of Coast Coast AM were perfectly capable and willing

1080
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: and did do that stuff all all on their own.

1081
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: There was no need for art Bell to fabricate any

1082
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: of that stuff. But he might have picked out a

1083
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: few who seemed rather talented at it. I mean, let's

1084
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: let's be honest. I've I don't know, I think you

1085
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: two have listened to podcasts. I mean, let's just look

1086
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: look at podcasts. There are podcasts that take phone calls,

1087
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: either live or pre or they record them, and I've

1088
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: listened to some of them, and after a while it's

1089
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: become obvious that the people that are calling in are

1090
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: their friends. Yea, they have coach about what to say. Now,

1091
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: let's take this to a broader scale of a guy

1092
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: who's actually got a nationwide show, and you find somebody's

1093
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: pretty good at this, let's work with them, let's make

1094
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: let's see where we can get out of it. So, actually,

1095
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: on on the this is a hook side. Um, there's

1096
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: as His name is Brian Cook. He's a comedian. He's

1097
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 1: a stam a comedian, and he has since claimed I'm

1098
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: the Brian who was the Brian J. L. Cook something

1099
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't really look

1100
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: very much into him, I'll be honest, I did. I

1101
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: did a little bit of looking, and I couldn't find

1102
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: a whole lot on him. Well, you know what the

1103
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: thing is, though, I was, actually I was really peeved,

1104
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: is that this guy, amongst all the other things that

1105
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: he does, evidently he's involved through image comics making a

1106
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: comic as a several different comics, and I was trying

1107
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: to get to a store that had one of these

1108
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: so that I could read it, to see how good

1109
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: he was at creating a story and to see what

1110
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: his role was. You know, if he's the inker, because

1111
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: if he's the inchor his story creating ability doesn't count.

1112
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: But if he's a writer or anything like that, then

1113
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: that would give him some credit. Unfortunately, we had some

1114
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: weird weather here and it kind of stuck me in

1115
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: my house and I couldn't get to a store. I

1116
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: got to some stores, but they didn't have it. I

1117
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: couldn't call him the city. But the point is that's

1118
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: that was what really made me curious, is because they

1119
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: see two reasons that this guy would claim it. Either

1120
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: A he is a good creative and he did it,

1121
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: or be he's a good enough creative to realize when

1122
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: you need to latch onto a really good story to

1123
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: give yourself a little more CREDA. But the thing about

1124
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: it is is his his story, they told Art, at

1125
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: least before he got cut off, was not particularly creative

1126
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: or original. He worked at extra dimensional beings, and you know,

1127
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: we're in extreme peril. The government could save us. This

1128
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: is all my story. My story capability is like him

1129
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: realizing after the fact he can capitalize on it and

1130
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: build it. I mean I could. I could call into

1131
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: shows like this all the time and crank him once

1132
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: a week if I wanted to. But I think the

1133
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: genius if it is a hoax, is admitting it's a hoax,

1134
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 1: because nothing gives a hoax more legs than saying, oh no,

1135
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: it was really just totally a hoax. Sorry, folks, was

1136
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: it real? I swear it's really. They've got a gun

1137
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: into my head and all that stuff. So that's that's

1138
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: where that's where I'm trying it. But I couldn't his

1139
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: you know, his information on him as kind of shoddy

1140
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: and obviously self written. Yeah uh so, yeah. The only

1141
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: other thing I'll mentioned, I guess, and the like hoax.

1142
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. We're kind of learning the lines between

1143
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 1: was it a hoax? Was it not a hoax? Um.

1144
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: He mentions they're going to triangulate this call real soon.

1145
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 1: But like, by the late nineties, cell phones were definitely thing,

1146
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: and prepaid cellphones or burner cell phones were absolutely a thing.

1147
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: And he he essentially claimed to have been a technician

1148
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: at Area fifty one, which may mean that he would

1149
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,799
Speaker 1: be up on the latest technology, which one would assume

1150
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: if you're in a call into a show like this,

1151
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: he would like grab a burner and just toss it.

1152
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: He also, but that's also again, that's let's talk about

1153
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: this as if it's totally real. Okay, this guy is

1154
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: in an utter state of panic and sounds like he's

1155
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: in some kind of psychotic break. And I'm not gonna

1156
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: say what caused it or what it is, but he's

1157
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,600
Speaker 1: in some kind of break. Now, people that are in

1158
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: those sitch wations don't think clearly. And then we've also

1159
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: got to I can't believe I'm doing this but we've

1160
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: also got to bring into that. Well, if the government

1161
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 1: really does have the ability to knock art bell bel

1162
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: art bells satellite, of course, well then they're so technologically

1163
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: advanced then the rest of us that of course they've

1164
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: got away to track a cell phone regardless of if

1165
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: it's a burner or not. Dun, dude, Like, if you

1166
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: have a phone number, you can triangulate the call according

1167
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: to c S. I um like, no matter what, in

1168
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 1: resources to that spot to grab the guy and and

1169
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,440
Speaker 1: and you know, Haullow off to somewhere to be brainwashed.

1170
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 1: Well that's a different story, absolutely, Yeah. I mean, I

1171
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: guess the theory could be that they had been tracking

1172
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: him across the country the entire time, and they just

1173
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: needed his exact location and the call was just long

1174
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: enough that they found his exactly. I mean, you can

1175
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:03,560
Speaker 1: go for hours. This is the proverbial rabbit hole it is.

1176
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,640
Speaker 1: Here's here's the delio. I don't think, I think for

1177
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: Joe's corner man. Yeah, no, I mean, by if if

1178
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 1: they if the government actually did take the guy to

1179
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: either murder him or maybe grab him and brainwash him,

1180
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:22,759
Speaker 1: or threatening him and make him call back and claim

1181
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: it was a hoax. Medication. Yeah, they called far more

1182
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: attention to the whole thing. And think about it is

1183
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: is people are talking about Area fifty one all the time.

1184
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 1: Nobody takes it seriously. Nobody would have taken this seriously

1185
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 1: if not for the signal and interruption, you know. So

1186
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: this whole idea that you know that the government shutdown

1187
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: their signal, it's like kind of that. I don't really

1188
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: have a huge amount of respect for the government. I

1189
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: think they're kind of dumb and inefficient most in most ways. Yeah,

1190
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: but you know, the fact of the matter is, is

1191
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: somebody in charge it Area fifty one cover up dot com?

1192
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: Is it would probably be smart enough to not call

1193
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: this kind of attention to their cause. Yeah. The other

1194
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: reason I think it's a hoax. This happened more than

1195
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: eighteen years ago, and according to the call in frantic

1196
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 1: collar U, the Earth was under imminent threat from extra

1197
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: dimensional beings. Well, so far, we're all still alive and

1198
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 1: the extra dimensional beings haven't slaughtered billions of us happening

1199
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: there's yeah, that's nothing I can see. Last of all,

1200
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: is it doesn't make any sense because this whole idea

1201
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 1: that will slaughter will slaughter almost everybody, and our at

1202
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 1: least will like that a lot better because fewer people

1203
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: are easier to control. Well, you have a fewer people

1204
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: means if you if you do await with the population,

1205
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: that means you don't have this thing called an economy anymore.

1206
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 1: It means you know, so this is this is the

1207
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: new world Order. It's actually interesting. One of the websites

1208
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:53,520
Speaker 1: I read um so fascinating. It was about how apparently

1209
01:11:54,040 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 1: ten of the population is easily hypnotized God, and then

1210
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: the other nine could be hypnotized by using a drug,

1211
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: a mind controlling drug like fluoride in the water that

1212
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: the general population has to consume, and then they are

1213
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 1: more subjectible to hypnotism, and that we are all going

1214
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: to be cold, so that we're all just in these

1215
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 1: major places where we can all be hypnotized and do

1216
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: the biddings of the new world Order. So obviously that's

1217
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: a real thing that's happening right now. And if you

1218
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: would just wake up sheeople, you would know. I'm opposed

1219
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 1: to fluoride the water supplies simply because I think people

1220
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: should just brush their fragrant teeth. Well, yeah, I mean,

1221
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: the good news is is that Portland is immune to

1222
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: being hypnotized because we don't have florid in our water.

1223
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: Didn't do a hypnotist and their junk. Yeah, I know

1224
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:51,600
Speaker 1: you think that, Rosebud, But yeah, yeah, so yeah, I

1225
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: guess that's the whole story. There's you know, pros and

1226
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: cons was a home Okay, but where's the where's the

1227
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: it's not hoax side? I mean, is that where you're going?

1228
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: I mean, we've kind of been talking about it, We've

1229
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: just been debating it. Really, I just wanted to make

1230
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 1: sure that we didn't there's no solid argument for it's

1231
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: not a hoax. Okay, I was pretty sure that, but

1232
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure. I mean, the most

1233
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: solid argument you can come up with is that it's

1234
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: a different guy that calls in the second time, and

1235
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: that the first guy was taken care of and they

1236
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 1: just found a guy who sounded kind of like him,

1237
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: and the third guy years later was I don't know,

1238
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,600
Speaker 1: maybe the original guy with I don't know, because I

1239
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,879
Speaker 1: don't think have we clarified here? Is that the seventeen

1240
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: years later? Oh yeah, we I guess we didn't. Seventeen

1241
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 1: years later he calls back on and yeah, fade to black.

1242
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 1: We'll post a link to that one. I didn't want

1243
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 1: to play the audio, but he ye crazy, like actually

1244
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: like yelling. The host are saying, okay, you gotta calm down, dude,

1245
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 1: you're yelling, and he's like, I'm not yelling, and you're like,

1246
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's right now. It was scary. It

1247
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: was startling to listen to that until it finishes in

1248
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: Then you realize what it is and it turns into

1249
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 1: an interview with this guy who is the comic book dude,

1250
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:13,640
Speaker 1: is it a cook? Yeah, jail, yeah, yeah. So it's uh,

1251
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: that's the interesting bit of seventeen years later, I guess.

1252
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: And that's the part where I was getting at where

1253
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying he could be a really brilliant creative in

1254
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 1: terms of let me drag up this thing from so

1255
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: long ago that people have said, dude, you know you

1256
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: sound like that guy, and let me go ahead and

1257
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: use that because he goes to I mean, he writes

1258
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: a comic and you see him at comic book conventions.

1259
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: There's so many videos of him at comic book conventions.

1260
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:45,679
Speaker 1: You know he's using that to drum up. You wouldn't.

1261
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 1: So that's that's why I say he possibly, Yeah, that's fair. Yeah,

1262
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 1: So I just I just think it's a really big coincidence.

1263
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 1: I know, you know, Steve and I were kind of

1264
01:14:56,240 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: talking about before we started recording. I don't believe I

1265
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: believe it was a hoax this call, and I believe

1266
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: that the satellite just happened to lose its Earth track

1267
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: at that particular moment. But I do think it is

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Speaker 1: one heck of a coincidence that it happened to happen

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Speaker 1: at the same time. I mean, it is true. It's

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Speaker 1: it could have gone off five minutes before and nobody

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Speaker 1: would really care, you know, and it's it's just so

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Speaker 1: crazy that this happened at this time. But in fairness,

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Speaker 1: it happened to fifty other channels, and we've like it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Yeah, because they were talking about Martha Stewards

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Speaker 1: duck soup recipe, or like, the thing that was in

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Speaker 1: the news that year was that the state of Princess

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Speaker 1: Diana was going to sue the hotel that the driver

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Speaker 1: had been drinking at. That was what was in the

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Speaker 1: news at that point, So they were maybe talking about that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe, oh my god, maybe it

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Speaker 1: was actually the British royal family because they didn't have

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Speaker 1: everybody else talking about it. What what happened with that lawsuit?

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Speaker 1: By the way, I don't know. You know what this

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Speaker 1: is also not a show about. Is Princess Diana did that? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So I never want to do it again. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys? You guys disagreed? You do you agree?

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Speaker 1: You think it was a hoax? What's up? Yeah? I

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Speaker 1: think that the call the call was a hoax and

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Speaker 1: it was just a coincidence. Yeah, that's what I think,

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Speaker 1: because again, this guy had really nothing to say. He

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01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: calls him, pretending to be in hysterics, and he says

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01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 1: some vague crap about extra dimensional beings and there's a

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Speaker 1: huge threat. YadA, YadA, YadA. Come on, dude, if you

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01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: were really an Area fifty one, you would actually have

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01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 1: some good choose the original information for us instead of

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Speaker 1: just as well. I guess. I will just point out

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Speaker 1: that this is in your frame of reference of in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen, versus less was out there about

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Speaker 1: or about Area fifty one. But I well, but but

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Speaker 1: out there doesn't matter. If he worked at Area fifty one,

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Speaker 1: the logic is he would be privy to what I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying, is that out there are means like that.

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Speaker 1: It could have seemed like the stuff he was saying.

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Speaker 1: He it was revelations, right, I got you verses now,

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01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: but I agree, I totally he should Yeah, if he

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Speaker 1: actually knew something about what was going on, he should

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Speaker 1: have said so. He would have said so he said that,

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Speaker 1: he said nothing but vague bs. Yeah, yeah, and so

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Speaker 1: there you go, Steve no. I I totally think that

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Speaker 1: it's a coincidence. I mean, if this guy had been

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Speaker 1: if it had been a different color. Five minutes later,

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Speaker 1: talking about the reptilians in the Flat World, we be

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01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:41,520
Speaker 1: talking today about the art Bell Flat World broadcast interruption,

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Speaker 1: or if it had happened during a commercial break, nobody

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01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:50,600
Speaker 1: would have given a yeah it doesn't. There are outages,

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01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 1: you know, I mean the TV stations and radio stations

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01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: getting knocked off the air temporarily for all kinds of reasons.

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Speaker 1: So this is this is the first. It's a consensus. Oh,

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01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 1: it's not a it's not first, it's a rarity. It's yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I think the lizard people did it. That's our show.

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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. Um. You can also find

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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways there. We have a subreddit just it's just

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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. We are on iTunes, which is probably probably

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1340
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 1: You can find the link on our website, but you

1341
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,400
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Speaker 1: email address. That email address is Thinking Sideways Podcast at

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Speaker 1: gmail dot com. You can send us feedback, suggestions, chat

1345
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Speaker 1: with us. I've had a lengthy conversation about Fallout four

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Speaker 1: with some people. A girl emailed me about her alien encounter,

1347
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 1: which was pretty interesting discussion. An email. The email, by

1348
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Speaker 1: the way, folks, is the best way to talk to

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Speaker 1: us just about anything if any got a grievance, because

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Speaker 1: we've had a couple of people that have kind of

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01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 1: gone off in some sources and we can't have a

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01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: conversation that way. Yeah, so email us, email us instead

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Speaker 1: of the whole like you doing in the comments section

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01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: on our Facebook page or an itune review iTunes review,

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Speaker 1: We literally have no way to Yeah, we're soaked on that. Yeah,

1356
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Speaker 1: um so yeah, send us an email. Also, if you

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Speaker 1: want to be an expert like Freemason and Jonathan uh,

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Speaker 1: feel free to send us an email and will add

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Speaker 1: you to the list. Just let us know what you

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Speaker 1: know a lot about. And all of that having been said,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna thank thank thank thank thank thank thank thank