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Speaker 2: the Avengers doomsday trailer. Spoilers for a trailer question mark
Speaker 2: so spoilers I guess for MCU properties leading to Doomsday
Speaker 2: potentially m hm, you warn't. Hello. My name is Jason Concepcion.
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Speaker 4: In today's episode, Doomsday is finally he are the first
Speaker 4: proper official.
Speaker 3: All in one Avengers Doomsday trailer.
Speaker 4: It is a lot of what we heard from Cinema
Speaker 4: com but we are gonna be talking about it because
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Speaker 2: Okay, folks, let's welcome our Panales today, joining us our
Speaker 2: super producers Aeron Erin, how are you.
Speaker 5: I'm doing great.
Speaker 6: I'm excited to hear your thoughts on this newly released
Speaker 6: multi million view count trailer that has just come out.
Speaker 2: End super producer ian Ian how are you great?
Speaker 7: Yeah, excited to get into it. This is the day
Speaker 7: we've been waiting for for It feels like a million
Speaker 7: year so.
Speaker 2: Wite a while. Okay, So it is Monday, July twentieth,
Speaker 2: ten am, ten thirteen am to be precise. The Avengers
Speaker 2: Doomsday trailer was released this morning. Earlier this morning. It
Speaker 2: is already at over a million views, one point three
Speaker 2: million views, so that's in about and a half hours
Speaker 2: ten million, so using the x ray vision YouTube views
Speaker 2: predicts box office corollary, this is looking like a monster, folks.
Speaker 2: The trailer does follow the general shape of the trailer
Speaker 2: that was reported at CinemaCon, and let's let's discuss. First
Speaker 2: topic to discuss.
Speaker 4: Is that.
Speaker 1: The voice, Oh yeah, I was gonna that down yet
Speaker 1: doing doom?
Speaker 4: Yes, I think it's I'm yeah, and I think it's
Speaker 4: good that you brought out, because that was the biggest
Speaker 4: question in the discord. Ryan Gilman asked it. Third Place
Speaker 4: asked it. Lizen asked it. Who is it? I think
Speaker 4: it's Doom, which offers up the first question. Doom comes
Speaker 4: to them, at least partially as an ally question.
Speaker 2: I think I think that that I think that that
Speaker 2: will be the case. I think it will be something
Speaker 2: like I've come to stop these incursions, only you can help.
Speaker 4: Me, which is basically what he says is there's this
Speaker 4: huge threat. It's coming and we're gonna have to make
Speaker 4: a terrible decision.
Speaker 2: Which is probably kill lots of other worlds to save
Speaker 2: the real one. But my, what do we think? Which
Speaker 2: what do we think of of the Latviarian accent?
Speaker 4: I have?
Speaker 2: My initial thought was I think it's smart that he's
Speaker 2: not doing voice, because I think that would be confusing.
Speaker 2: But what are our thoughts, Rosie, what.
Speaker 8: Do you think?
Speaker 3: I do agree. I generally think it's good he had
Speaker 3: an accent.
Speaker 4: I do think it's funny that pretty much all over
Speaker 4: the Internet and in discord, the big argument is like whether.
Speaker 3: It's Wong or whether it's him.
Speaker 4: So I feel like maybe he didn't differentiate it was
Speaker 4: potentially I had seen a lot of people saying it
Speaker 4: was wrong. I love a silly accent. I think it's
Speaker 4: good that RDJ is doing this. I think it's nice
Speaker 4: to know that this isn't some kind of Tony version
Speaker 4: or like alternate Tony version, at least not in the
Speaker 4: way that some of us guessed it would be. So
Speaker 4: I think it's good he's doing the accent. Is it
Speaker 4: a bit silly, yes, But is the idea of Robert
Speaker 4: Danny Junior playing Doom silly?
Speaker 3: Also?
Speaker 6: Yes, Aaron, I mean I think the accent sounds fine.
Speaker 6: What excited me more was the placement that they had
Speaker 6: a trailer and the first thing you hear is RDJ,
Speaker 6: and you immediately see him in the Doune outfit or
Speaker 6: Doom outfit. So instead of like us, spending the whole
Speaker 6: trailer focused on the heroes, and then at the end
Speaker 6: one quick shot of Doom and he says one line,
Speaker 6: we get like a mini monologue from him. I think
Speaker 6: that's a great way to start it off, and we
Speaker 6: immediately see this character we've been waiting for with bita
Speaker 6: breath and here, and we immediately have questions, why is
Speaker 6: he coming to them with this message. Is it like
Speaker 6: this made up accent lat Verian like, which world? Is
Speaker 6: this a part of all these things? I thought it
Speaker 6: was an incredibly well placed thing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I I agree with a lot of what Aaron
Speaker 7: just said. I like the accent. I think it's I
Speaker 7: think to me, it was pretty obvious that it was
Speaker 7: RDJ doing like his Latverian doom like voice. So I'm
Speaker 7: like kind of surprised that people are confused by that
Speaker 7: or think is long. That's a little weird to me.
Speaker 7: But I like that he's doing something different and differentiating
Speaker 7: from the Tony Stark normal RDJ voice cadence. And I
Speaker 7: think for something like this you need to differentiate a
Speaker 7: little bit. I think it's giving him a little more
Speaker 7: room or freedom to do something a little more fun
Speaker 7: and a little more silly, be a little different. And
Speaker 7: I agree with Aaron's points that starting the trailer with it,
Speaker 7: hitting it right up top and establishing the the character,
Speaker 7: because that's the thing that most that we're most interested in,
Speaker 7: like what is his doom going to be?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 7: What's it going to look and feel and sound?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 7: How is how is he going to bring his own
Speaker 7: spin to the role. So I think leading with that
Speaker 7: was a smart way to do it. And I like
Speaker 7: the accent. I think it sounds different enough from his
Speaker 7: normal voice yea, and distinct enough that it's cool and interesting.
Speaker 8: So I'm a fan also that.
Speaker 2: I liked it. I liked it. I liked it as well.
Speaker 2: I I think the idea that you didn't I actually
Speaker 2: think the was it wrong question kind of proves that
Speaker 2: this was kind of a good idea. You don't want
Speaker 2: to be like, oh, it's Tony. Is that Tony? He
Speaker 2: Maybe he's a Tony variant, Like it leaves open the
Speaker 2: ambiguity of whether or not this character is or is
Speaker 2: not a version of Tony, whether Tony is a version
Speaker 2: of Doom in the MCU universe. So I think that
Speaker 2: that was smart to do. This could be a completely
Speaker 2: different guy. We don't know that it is, and you know,
Speaker 2: like you could tell our DJ was having fun with it.
Speaker 2: Now it seems as if the main character is thor
Speaker 2: or is going to be the through line character, at
Speaker 2: least the one who's like, I've seen this threat coming
Speaker 2: and we need to do something from the hero's side,
Speaker 2: did we? What did other people think? Is that the
Speaker 2: feel that we all got.
Speaker 3: I agree that that is where they're going. It seems
Speaker 3: to make sense.
Speaker 4: But I will say I do think this is one
Speaker 4: of their mistakes, not because I don't love Chris Emser
Speaker 4: thought I love him, but I do think that this
Speaker 4: is where than me we immediately get like a very
Speaker 4: clear repeated beat from the Infinity or endgame stuff where
Speaker 4: it's like, this is the sad, broken down Thor who
Speaker 4: doesn't think we can do it after he's been defeated
Speaker 4: by Thanos. Like, I think that's not my favorite version
Speaker 4: of this Thoor, but I think Chris Emsworth does it
Speaker 4: very well.
Speaker 3: I think there is a lot they're not showing us
Speaker 3: with this trailer. That's my gut. That's my gut feeling.
Speaker 4: So but I do feel, like Jason, You're right, I
Speaker 4: think they're going for this through line, and I think
Speaker 4: it is going to be Thor. But I have seen
Speaker 4: people online and even in our discords kind of saying
Speaker 4: it feels like a nerved version, like we want to
Speaker 4: see Thor.
Speaker 3: At his peak.
Speaker 4: Aaron, what did you think about the return of this
Speaker 4: kind of more somber, serious Thaw.
Speaker 6: I think, like God forbid, we revisit one of our
Speaker 6: favorite movies with Infinity War and Endgame, where Thor like
Speaker 6: is a little more grounded and sad because of the
Speaker 6: threat that is posed to revisit. That I think means
Speaker 6: we kind of understand the stakes quickly. We don't have
Speaker 6: to spend all the day time of like I mean,
Speaker 6: Thor again delivers a quick little monologue saying, I have
Speaker 6: fought with all these warriors against all these threats. They
Speaker 6: my friends and other heroes have died against things I
Speaker 6: am much less scared of than this one threat. And
Speaker 6: then we get the visual of him leaping into the
Speaker 6: air like full on, you know, God, Thor crashing in
Speaker 6: and doom stopping it with one or two fingers Like
Speaker 6: that's that to me set the stakes very very well.
Speaker 6: Thor is a constant within the MCU, and I think
Speaker 6: a good choice to be sort of our our audience
Speaker 6: surrogate at least for this trailer, if not the entire movie.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, Ian, what your thoughts on Thor is potentially
Speaker 2: the main guy?
Speaker 8: I think I like it.
Speaker 7: I think after Love and Thunder that a lot of
Speaker 7: people did not like that movie, and I think it
Speaker 7: kind of undid a lot of the strong character work
Speaker 7: that we got in Ragnarok, Infinitiord Endgame for Thor, and
Speaker 7: so I feel like this feels like a little bit
Speaker 7: of a course correction, bringing it back a little more
Speaker 7: grounded serious. His Chris Hemsworth is a really incredible actor,
Speaker 7: and I think he has the ability to go comedic,
Speaker 7: but he also has this, you know, the gravitas of
Speaker 7: this like strong Thor role, and I think it just
Speaker 7: feels like a little bit of a course correction back
Speaker 7: towards that. And I also think it kind of makes
Speaker 7: sense for him to be the through line character in
Speaker 7: the sense that he has, you know, the relationships with
Speaker 7: all of our heroes and the Avengers and has faced
Speaker 7: these past threats. But also we know Loki is probably
Speaker 7: going to be a very prominent part of the plot
Speaker 7: line and the TVA aspect of it, and so obviously
Speaker 7: that relationship between Thor and Loki, especially with what happened
Speaker 7: in Endgame, I think, is going to be a really big, strong,
Speaker 7: emotional beat or core of the movie. So I like
Speaker 7: the idea of having him, at least from what this
Speaker 7: trailer appears to be setting up, be kind of the
Speaker 7: through line connecting character for that. So I think it
Speaker 7: makes sense, and I think it will could lead to
Speaker 7: some really you know, powerful emotional moments. So yeah, I
Speaker 7: think it's it's an interesting angle. I think they could work.
Speaker 2: We see some X Men in this, We see Charles
Speaker 2: doing his classic Charles I'm my oh, my head, and
Speaker 2: so that's obviously for a pair of X Men fanatics
Speaker 2: like Rosie and I like that was huge. But now
Speaker 2: let's I feel like this is the central question. Is
Speaker 2: this trailer good? Did it do enough? Did it do
Speaker 2: enough to dispel some of the concerns and kind of
Speaker 2: like unsourced rumor based critiques about kind of a you know,
Speaker 2: a chaotic production that is at this point formless. Did
Speaker 2: it do enough to shoot that stuff down since the
Speaker 2: debut of the original trailer at CinemaCon some months ago,
Speaker 2: or did it not do enough?
Speaker 5: Rosie?
Speaker 2: Did it do enough? Is this trailer good?
Speaker 4: I personally, I do not think it did enough, But
Speaker 4: I do want to say, you know, we watch this
Speaker 4: trailer dropped to like six am, I think Pacific time. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and you know, so on I woke up and there
Speaker 4: was a lot of talk about it, and I watched it,
Speaker 4: and I think for me personally, it definitely did suffer
Speaker 4: from the fact that we just follow this stuff so closely,
Speaker 4: and you know, I knew people who were at the
Speaker 4: cinema companel I read the report. You want to know
Speaker 4: what the trailers are like. So I think for this
Speaker 4: this did suffer a little bit from the fact of
Speaker 4: over familiarity because of how long it's taken them to
Speaker 4: put it out.
Speaker 3: One thing I cannot deny.
Speaker 4: Did it stoke excitement for this movie in a way
Speaker 4: we have yet to see. I think that is undeniable
Speaker 4: whether or not I felt that. And also like ten
Speaker 4: million views in like four hours, right, four and a
Speaker 4: half hours, and it's see and it's probably gonna keep
Speaker 4: growing like it.
Speaker 3: I think it had already hit a million within thirty minutes.
Speaker 5: Thirty minutes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so it was this is I think excitement
Speaker 4: wise the release of it. I think the poster is
Speaker 4: beautiful that they sent out with it, this kind of
Speaker 4: painted poster of Doom in front of this tapestry obviously
Speaker 4: about his family who are going to be a key
Speaker 4: part of this, But for.
Speaker 3: Me personally, like do I think it pushed.
Speaker 4: Me over to thinking like this is gonna be the
Speaker 4: movie that saves the MCU like no, I think it's
Speaker 4: falling back on safe bets, but there's a lot of
Speaker 4: fun stuff that was exciting, like Gambit, Shanchi, et cetera. Aaron,
Speaker 4: I want to make sure that you are the one
Speaker 4: who condemns me.
Speaker 6: I think this is a great trailer. This trailer does
Speaker 6: everything that I wanted. Like I said of top, it
Speaker 6: sets up doom right away. We see and hear doom.
Speaker 6: We see the costume, we hear him, we see his eyes.
Speaker 6: Ian was mentioning like Thor. His vibe is less comedic
Speaker 6: than he was in Love and Thunder. People always complain
Speaker 6: that MCU movies throw in these little quips, like we
Speaker 6: have an emotional scene, then we get equipped. There are
Speaker 6: no quips here. There's no like it was, you know,
Speaker 6: there's no Thor like Ah. I like this one when
Speaker 6: Captain Marvel shows up, like this is devoid of that
Speaker 6: sunny disposition. This feels like a dark movie. And like visually,
Speaker 6: I love seeing the new outfits like Shrey and Naymar's
Speaker 6: new costumes look great, the Fantastic Four with the jackets
Speaker 6: and everything. Cyclops like seeing it in action. We really
Speaker 6: only I think there's one scene that we had already
Speaker 6: seen with Cyclops and the like the extreme optic glass
Speaker 6: in front of the Sentinels. That was the only thing
Speaker 6: that felt like I'd seen it before. And you know what,
Speaker 6: like does it feel big? Yes, this movie feels huge,
Speaker 6: Like I can't tell you. Every time a character showed up,
Speaker 6: I was like, I cannot wait to see more Shank,
Speaker 6: I cannot wait to see Nay more flying around doing whatever.
Speaker 6: And like when when Thing and Sue and Bucky like
Speaker 6: arrived to meet the Wakandans, there's like the suspended sea
Speaker 6: wall in the background behind them.
Speaker 5: What is that? Like I want to know about that?
Speaker 5: How is that happening?
Speaker 6: There's so much here, And like the Jolena versus Julena
Speaker 6: fight because Mostique has turned into Yolena, Like yeah, I
Speaker 6: love the pairings the Gambit shang Chi thing, Like it
Speaker 6: feels like we're getting one of the problems with Avengers
Speaker 6: movies and just Avengers teams in general. Hulk is fighting
Speaker 6: a much different fight than Hawkeye at any given time,
Speaker 6: Like there's no way they can be like measured by
Speaker 6: the same thing, and doing a Ylena verse Mystique and
Speaker 6: a Gambit ver shang Xi. It makes me feel like,
Speaker 6: we're gonna get a really good use of these characters
Speaker 6: again fighting appropriate battles and it's not right. And I
Speaker 6: think that's a great way to handle a large ensemble.
Speaker 6: And I'm telling you, as I saw more and more people,
Speaker 6: I was like, I can't wait. Like there's a quick
Speaker 6: shot of Johnny hugging and kissing the head of some
Speaker 6: blonde woman. We assume it sued. Did something happen, Like,
Speaker 6: I don't know. There's a lot of things in here
Speaker 6: that I got very excited about from an ensemble side
Speaker 6: of things.
Speaker 5: So I think it's a great trailer.
Speaker 2: I love to hear that Ian your is this trailer good?
Speaker 7: I have to agree with Rosie that, you know, I
Speaker 7: think I'm just too industry pilled and like too thirsty
Speaker 7: for content, because you know, after the CinemaCon trailer came out,
Speaker 7: we heard the descriptions add nauseum, what's in the trailer?
Speaker 7: What's in the trailer? And so when I watched it
Speaker 7: again this morning and it's exactly the same as the
Speaker 7: descriptions that I've heard and read from three months ago,
Speaker 7: I was like, Oh, that's like kind of it, but
Speaker 7: I know that's like that's more on me than.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm sorry you peaked at your Christmas presents
Speaker 6: early and then are disappointed you.
Speaker 8: That's on me. I just admitted it.
Speaker 4: I said, that's the one who unwrapped them and showed
Speaker 4: them to us.
Speaker 3: Like that's the exactly at all.
Speaker 7: But that's They also said, like, by the way, you
Speaker 7: got an Xbox for Christmas, it's in the closet, don't
Speaker 7: look at it for three months.
Speaker 8: They told me that in October.
Speaker 5: You know, they leaked.
Speaker 7: They knew the people were going to describe the trailer,
Speaker 7: and they knew people wanted to see it, and it's
Speaker 7: been ready for three months and they didn't change anything.
Speaker 7: That's a little that feels like kind of a generational
Speaker 7: exercise in hubrist to me, a little bit on their part.
Speaker 7: They feel like the movie is so good that they
Speaker 7: don't need to give us anything.
Speaker 6: How I mean, I have no idea whether or not
Speaker 6: they change anything. I wasn't at CinemaCon. I didn't see
Speaker 6: this trailer. This is my first time seeing Mystique again.
Speaker 6: This is my first time seeing Gambit fighting shan Cheet, Like,
Speaker 6: what what did they do wrong that I'm now not
Speaker 6: excited about seeing the Ten Rings?
Speaker 3: Again, we love that you are excited.
Speaker 7: Yes, I'm I'm still excited to see the movie. I'm
Speaker 7: still going to see the movie, I guess, just the
Speaker 7: trailer didn't change how I felt. Well, I'd feel the
Speaker 7: same after watching the trailer I felt before, like I
Speaker 7: still want to see the movie. The trailer didn't give
Speaker 7: me anything else to get excited about, I guess. So
Speaker 7: saying all that to say is like, for your general
Speaker 7: average person who's not online checking all this stuff, yeah,
Speaker 7: I'm sure this trailer is like hype and it's incredible
Speaker 7: and it's amazing. But for people in our situation, which
Speaker 7: I know we are in the very small minority, it
Speaker 7: didn't change the way I felt about the movie. M
Speaker 7: and it was bordering on it was a little underwhelming.
Speaker 7: But that's again more my fault than Marvel's, just because
Speaker 7: I knew what was in the trailer already, so it
Speaker 7: didn't give me anything that I didn't already know was
Speaker 7: going to happen. You know.
Speaker 2: Okay, here's I'm kind of like in the middle of
Speaker 2: all of you. I think the trailer did just enough.
Speaker 3: M hmmm.
Speaker 2: I think it did just enough. But to Aaron's point,
Speaker 2: I also have to check my perspective, because here's the
Speaker 2: things I wanted. I wanted a little bit more than
Speaker 2: what the CinemaCon report said, which we didn't get. We
Speaker 2: basically got the CinemaCon version. It seems like I wanted,
Speaker 2: you know, a little more of the and I'm sure
Speaker 2: we'll get this in later trailers, by the way, but
Speaker 2: I wanted more of the personal journey of whoever the
Speaker 2: focus is, Like, what has Thorpe been up to? Why
Speaker 2: is this time different? Why is this threat bigger than Thanos?
Speaker 2: Why is he so scared and upset? Like just a
Speaker 2: line about I've been doing this or I lost this,
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, I think that would have
Speaker 2: done a lot for me. I want to know how
Speaker 2: to Rosie's point about duplicate beats, there are a lot
Speaker 2: of duplicate beats here, whether it's Steve pulling the hammer
Speaker 2: or just the way thor talks about the threat of
Speaker 2: doom that honestly, you could lift that and drop it
Speaker 2: in Infinity War or Ragnarok and it could be about Thanos,
Speaker 2: which led me to wonder, like, Okay, so how is this,
Speaker 2: How do the events of Endgame lead to this? How
Speaker 2: does how did this great victory lead to this. I
Speaker 2: want to know that and not having that connective tissue
Speaker 2: some hints, some gesture towards that connective tissue in there
Speaker 2: in there felt like leaving something on the table. Now,
Speaker 2: that said to Ian and Everyone's point, like, you know,
Speaker 2: I've I've seen all the movies, I've read all the comics,
Speaker 2: I've seen all the movies multiple times. We follow all
Speaker 2: the news drops. I've been, you know, checking Marvel leaks
Speaker 2: like every day. I like kind of know what the
Speaker 2: various leaked versions of what are reported to be the
Speaker 2: movie are. And there is an entire generation of fan
Speaker 2: that this Marvel is hoping will be their first Marvel movie.
Speaker 2: Like that's the hope, right, Yeah, there's an entire generation
Speaker 2: of fan that is that has is like this shit's old,
Speaker 2: this shit is for elder millennials or whatever. I don't
Speaker 2: give a fuck about it. And the hope is that,
Speaker 2: like Marvel can get them in on the ground floor
Speaker 2: with this movie. So I have to at least acknowledge
Speaker 2: that all the connective tissue shit that I want would
Speaker 2: be wasted on that fan that Marvel is trying to
Speaker 2: bring in the door. But again, I feel like it
Speaker 2: it left me wanting it felt it felt like Okay,
Speaker 2: that's just enough. But again, ten million views in four hours.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm wrong.
Speaker 4: I think like I think we can feel like we
Speaker 4: want more, but still like no ledge the trailer is
Speaker 4: successful like for Marvels, like the excitement.
Speaker 3: But Jason, I do think that you're right. But I
Speaker 3: also have to.
Speaker 4: Say a lot of the response to this from that
Speaker 4: gen Z, like film Space and like the gen Z
Speaker 4: nerds and stuff. They were posting the darkest drags, the
Speaker 4: funniest YouTube videos where it's like how to make a
Speaker 4: Marvel trailer and it's like a video from five years
Speaker 4: ago where it lists exactly all the things that you
Speaker 4: know are gonna be in the trailer.
Speaker 2: Who cares about kids that can't read, but also illiterates
Speaker 2: in gen Z who read it?
Speaker 3: Is what I mean?
Speaker 4: Is like, I don't what I'm saying is like, while
Speaker 4: that might be Marvel's intention, I actually don't think repeating
Speaker 4: the beats that made it popular with old heads like us.
Speaker 3: Is gonna work for that younger audience.
Speaker 4: So I think they need to fan service us a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 2: Maybe Marvels should do like a regular trailer and a
Speaker 2: brain Rat trailer.
Speaker 3: It's just like I would love that.
Speaker 2: It's just like there are threats coming.
Speaker 3: Threats, threats like emoji is popping.
Speaker 1: Emoji and then like a long fart sound, Jason.
Speaker 4: I know a lot of people have been talking, so
Speaker 4: I did want to just talk about this. Let's talk
Speaker 4: about Doom because that's is the biggest thing.
Speaker 3: How does he stop Stormbreaker?
Speaker 4: This is obviously Doom with magic, right, like on his gauntlets,
Speaker 4: he had the he had the ruins and everything. Let's
Speaker 4: talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 3: What do you think in comics?
Speaker 4: You just like just in general, like, how do you
Speaker 4: think we're gonna see him brought to life? Like? This
Speaker 4: is obviously not just science Doom. This is magic Doom.
Speaker 2: Are we going to get Okay? So we see his
Speaker 2: family a little bit in the trailer or a hint
Speaker 2: towards the lineage of Victor v On Doom. So the
Speaker 2: question is do we get a full Doom backstory in
Speaker 2: this movie? Yes or no? I say maybe, I say
Speaker 2: I say probably not. I say that I think like
Speaker 2: Secret Wars starts with like, here's who doctor Doom is.
Speaker 2: After he's wiped the fucking floor with the heroes of
Speaker 2: multiple timelines.
Speaker 3: I think we'll know his grandfriend's kid died.
Speaker 4: That's clearly a big pot with like the tapestry post
Speaker 4: that they revealed, I think we'll know he had this
Speaker 4: great loss, but I don't necessarily know if we'll get
Speaker 4: to see that until I don't think we'll see Lavaria,
Speaker 4: for example, in this movie.
Speaker 3: I think this is all doomed terrestrial.
Speaker 6: If we do the planets, if we get to see
Speaker 6: Latvaria and his family in Secret Wars? Are you ready
Speaker 6: for Gwyneth Paltrow's Latarian accent?
Speaker 8: Doesn't it look.
Speaker 2: Like the fight? I mean, I thought that fight in
Speaker 2: the statuary garden might could be in place in Latviia.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I couldn't. I couldn't make out who
Speaker 2: the statue was.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I paused a few times trying to see, like
Speaker 6: is the statue Captain America?
Speaker 8: Is it?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 6: Is there something there that we should recognize? And I
Speaker 6: didn't catch anything.
Speaker 2: Now, I will say that Charles like decorates the X
Speaker 2: mansion like a hundred twenty year old British.
Speaker 4: That's what I was gonna say. It was giving it.
Speaker 4: It could be in the Toddens that.
Speaker 2: Man loves the statue, fucking Doiley's and lace and old
Speaker 2: dusty curtains and busts of people.
Speaker 4: Okay, Also, I'm not the character people who are really
Speaker 4: excited about. Obviously, Loki Ian you mentioned about him being
Speaker 4: like a big a big part, you think, but I
Speaker 4: saw a lot of people worried he's going to get
Speaker 4: killed on screen.
Speaker 3: Again, what do you think about Loki's fate.
Speaker 7: I mean, there's there's strong potential for that because I
Speaker 7: think at some core point of it, like Doom is
Speaker 7: going to try to take his power or something or
Speaker 7: take control of that multiversal tree. So I mean, I
Speaker 7: think something bad is probably gonna happen to Loki, you know.
Speaker 2: So he's going to kill the tree, I think, or
Speaker 2: try to kill the tree, yeah, yeah, take his place
Speaker 2: at the center of the trick.
Speaker 8: Exactly, something along those lines.
Speaker 5: That's I think.
Speaker 6: Even if you're not a heavy heavy comics reader, you
Speaker 6: probably have seen the panel where Thanos is like Doom
Speaker 6: approaches Thanos and Thanos is like, even without the gauntlet,
Speaker 6: I can stop you.
Speaker 5: In Doune, Doom rips his.
Speaker 6: Spine through his body, and it like it is a
Speaker 6: power setting moment that we realize how strong doom is
Speaker 6: Do we think we will get a moment like that?
Speaker 6: I don't think if that is the going to happen.
Speaker 6: I don't think it's lowkey because we've already had that
Speaker 6: with Thanos. I don't think they would do that again.
Speaker 6: But do we think it's Thor? Is Thor only in
Speaker 6: the first twenty minutes of this movie and then he
Speaker 6: gets his spine ripped out?
Speaker 5: Is it Century? Is it one of the next.
Speaker 6: Of them who, like I think someone has to be
Speaker 6: the sacrificial lamb to prove how strong.
Speaker 2: I think Charles and and in a hoodie who.
Speaker 5: Can't even get.
Speaker 9: Out of their chairs, can't get up, absolutely getting or
Speaker 9: absolutely getting wiped in the first another it's another days
Speaker 9: of future past.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: I do just want to have my one final soapbox moment,
Speaker 4: which is, yes.
Speaker 3: Please see you guys the movie. Where's the women? Not
Speaker 3: one woman? Probably not one woman talks in this movie.
Speaker 4: You're showing me fucking got red guard head, Centurylena.
Speaker 5: You get sure, you get Sue.
Speaker 2: W Lena and Mystique. So that's kind of like three
Speaker 2: in two. That's two. That makes three.
Speaker 4: I do like the fact that we get Mystique here.
Speaker 4: Potentially with the skull belt suit, the classic suit. But guys,
Speaker 4: all of these are sexually attractive women who don't have
Speaker 4: any words to say, and at multiple points the women
Speaker 4: are also comforted by men. It's not giving miss Mark
Speaker 4: capture leader.
Speaker 3: Sure is there. We get her momentarily looking tough with her.
Speaker 2: With regards to the the sea being held back. My
Speaker 2: read on that was Sue is just as strong as
Speaker 2: fuck and was doing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it could have a meeting that's in like
Speaker 3: the middle of the ocean.
Speaker 2: Also, I think they were like, yeah, let's meet in
Speaker 2: the middle of the ocean where he can't see us.
Speaker 2: Now that being said, I mean, you're you're one hundred
Speaker 2: percent right, Rosie. There is there is this undercurrent within
Speaker 2: this trailer that is something like and it's the thing
Speaker 2: that that the Devil Fantastic four, which is like we're
Speaker 2: scared of being called whoake, don't call us woke. Like
Speaker 2: this stuff will be in the movie maybe like obviously
Speaker 2: like we're not gonna go three hours or however line
Speaker 2: this movie is gonna be without characters talking and doing
Speaker 2: things and doing important things.
Speaker 3: But it's a hint.
Speaker 2: It's too you know, fucking it's a Norse god and
Speaker 2: and white Kings at the end like dapping up and
Speaker 2: being like, yo, let's fix this ship again.
Speaker 3: He's right.
Speaker 4: Final question that Jay said, who is is that the
Speaker 4: real Captain America?
Speaker 3: Because he can hold the shield? Does that mean it's
Speaker 3: Captain America from the Six?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 4: Six? Who we know?
Speaker 3: Can he hold it in every universe?
Speaker 2: He can't hold it in every universe in several year,
Speaker 2: So I think it must be Steve. And he's like,
Speaker 2: you know, just come back from his wife, Yeah, cracking
Speaker 2: Peggy for like a decade, and he's like, hey, buddy,
Speaker 2: what's up. So, yes, it's him. And the question is
Speaker 2: how does he tie into all this because you have
Speaker 2: to imagine that it's not like they're, oh, the only
Speaker 2: man that can fix this is Steve. That's that's not
Speaker 2: kind of how Marvel does stuff. It kind of feels
Speaker 2: like somehow this is Steve.
Speaker 3: It's his fault.
Speaker 2: It's his fault because he wanted to go crack Peggy
Speaker 2: and now the world's fucked up and doom exists exactly.
Speaker 6: I did see one really funny thing, one funny comment
Speaker 6: where Thor bringing me on your and having Cap draw
Speaker 6: it to him is like the two factor authentication on
Speaker 6: whether or not it's actually Captain America something that.
Speaker 7: You're a little I have one last question. Actually yes, no,
Speaker 7: So I know, like another big common complaint, particularly from
Speaker 7: like A Boo and a few other people, is that
Speaker 7: there's no plot or story, like what is this movie about?
Speaker 5: The Yeah, I didn't want to.
Speaker 6: Call out A Boo, but A Boo was like, hey,
Speaker 6: I like seeing the trailer doesn't get me, doesn't get
Speaker 6: my button seats, and it's like, okay, like I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't want the full plot in a trailer. This
Speaker 6: tells me the basic gist of it.
Speaker 9: Doom guy, let me, let me finish.
Speaker 7: So I think you can read that two ways again,
Speaker 7: like are they so confident in the movie or so
Speaker 7: high in their own supply that they feel like they
Speaker 7: don't need to do that and they can get away
Speaker 7: with it. Or on the other hand, are they not
Speaker 7: are they uncertain and they like this is the best
Speaker 7: we've got. Just give them some action shots and character reveals.
Speaker 7: So you know you could read that either way, now, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 7: go ahead. And I rewatched the Infinity War trailer just
Speaker 7: to see, like, how do they compare and I think
Speaker 7: you could say that one is equally light on story.
Speaker 7: It's mostly just character reveals and action shots. We see
Speaker 7: Thanos in his full glory for the first time.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 7: Some people could argue like, oh, well, like the lead
Speaker 7: into that was better, but I'd say we the lead
Speaker 7: into this, I feel like is comparable in the sense that,
Speaker 7: like in Infinity or Renew, Thanos is finally here, He's
Speaker 7: getting the Stones, all the heroes are coming together to
Speaker 7: try to stop him. In this one, we know, like, okay, there,
Speaker 7: these three universes are going to be on a collision
Speaker 7: course their incursions. Doom is coming. They're all gonna have
Speaker 7: to team up to stop him. I feel like that's
Speaker 7: kind of the same level of knowing where the plot
Speaker 7: of the movie is going to be going in. It
Speaker 7: feels equitable to me.
Speaker 3: The hype is just different.
Speaker 8: Yes, the hype, I will say, is different.
Speaker 6: Yes, take into account Aboo is on the payroll of
Speaker 6: Big Trade's right now. He will do anything he can
Speaker 6: to make Doom be a bigger story.
Speaker 4: Calm down that you two have been arguated the team's
Speaker 4: chat about this trailer bringing it on to the recording.
Speaker 2: Well, let me just I'll just you know, very briefly say,
Speaker 2: that's why I said, and your point is why I said.
Speaker 2: This trailer did not exactly shoot down the worries that
Speaker 2: I think we've had and other people said about this film,
Speaker 2: which you know, namely that they don't know what the
Speaker 2: story is at this point that they're trying to make,
Speaker 2: you know, let it emerge through the editing. Has been
Speaker 2: some of the sourced, unsourced rumors that have emerged, and
Speaker 2: certainly this trailer did not shoot that down. And so
Speaker 2: that with regards to story, I could have loved. I
Speaker 2: would have liked a little bit of a hint at
Speaker 2: what the story arc is, like you know, you see it.
Speaker 2: There's an issue that like novice writers have when writing,
Speaker 2: you know, like a writer will be like, oh, I
Speaker 2: have this great idea, I have this great like story
Speaker 2: that I'm working on. I'm okay, what is it? And
Speaker 2: now I'm just going to recap back to the future.
Speaker 2: But it's like, oh, so this this old scientist like
Speaker 2: invents a time machine and the time machines like a
Speaker 2: in an eighties sports cards in a DeLorean, and this
Speaker 2: kid accidentally goes back to the fifties. Okay, so that's
Speaker 2: a setup. That's not a story, and this trailer is
Speaker 2: a setup. It's not a it doesn't hint at a story.
Speaker 2: It's doctor Doom is here and all the heroes need
Speaker 2: to do something about it. Okay, but what's the story?
Speaker 2: What happens? You know, like what do they go through?
Speaker 2: And we don't really get a hint of that. So
Speaker 2: I I think everybody is right, but it's how we
Speaker 2: all reacted to it. And I wonder if at I
Speaker 2: think Aaron's is clearly like the more.
Speaker 3: Aaron's the end character.
Speaker 2: I think I think Aaron is the target audience and
Speaker 2: there are ten million of him?
Speaker 3: M hm, how much is it at?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: Actually, I'm like, is it let's say, yeah, okay, thirty minutes.
Speaker 2: Let's just say let's just quick take a look.
Speaker 5: And that's why I check out twelve million?
Speaker 8: Shut whoa.
Speaker 5: Impressive?
Speaker 2: Now wait, mild conspiracy theory? Do we think that Disney
Speaker 2: is buying views?
Speaker 3: What this happens?
Speaker 2: You doesn't know? You ad like, people don't do this
Speaker 2: like this.
Speaker 4: I love it, It's just we don't often like acknowledge
Speaker 4: that the company.
Speaker 6: Is still updated, updated from when I updated you on
Speaker 6: twelve minutes now twelve point seven.
Speaker 2: Is there a server farm filled with fifteen million phones
Speaker 2: in the jungles of Mayan mar that is clicking on
Speaker 2: this trailer?
Speaker 3: Like three million?
Speaker 1: Puts?
Speaker 6: Okay, at least three yes, I one hundred think that's realistic.
Speaker 6: But to act like this is the first movie to
Speaker 6: ever do that is wild. Just to think you're right,
Speaker 6: what are the comments at?
Speaker 2: What are the comments at? How many comments?
Speaker 5: One hundred and twenty four thousand?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And then also I will say Joel before she pulled,
Speaker 4: before we recorded, she was pulling up, i'mac like sorry,
Speaker 4: I should say Infinity Vision screenings.
Speaker 3: In LA and they.
Speaker 1: Work pretty much Infinite Vision.
Speaker 4: They were pretty much all sold out, So I yeah,
Speaker 4: it has a launch for the ticket sales, this is
Speaker 4: an undeniable success.
Speaker 10: It's an under and I think that while the numbers
Speaker 10: that keep going this fast, probably if it beats Spider
Speaker 10: Man Brand New Day by just a little bit, I'm
Speaker 10: probably gonna guess that there was a bit of boting
Speaker 10: involved to make this the most.
Speaker 3: Popular twenty four hour trailer.
Speaker 4: But there is obviously genuine hype and it was really
Speaker 4: great to see all of our discord getting so excited
Speaker 4: and like theorizing Yeah, okay, come on, we're doing a
Speaker 4: whole extra episode about it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're gonna see the movie.
Speaker 6: Guys were small point of comparison, the Superman trailer has
Speaker 6: thirty four thousand comments, so Doomsday having one hundred and
Speaker 6: twenty four almost one hundred thousand more is kind.
Speaker 2: Of James Gunn is finished.
Speaker 3: It is done. That's an episode for a different day.
Speaker 4: I need you guys to go and see if you
Speaker 4: They posted a green lantern asset today and I was like, oh, wowday.
Speaker 2: I know I saw it today. James, guys were.
Speaker 3: Not talking about it, like do it or do a
Speaker 3: really sick asset? But that was not the one. I know.
Speaker 3: I'm sad, but all right.
Speaker 2: On the next episode of Extra Orision, we're diving into
Speaker 2: X Men ninety seven episode two oh six, and there
Speaker 2: are obviously roundtable which we are about to record right now.
Speaker 2: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Spcion and Rosie
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