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Speaker 2: about ten minutes ago a photo from the FBI in

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Speaker 2: Salt Lake City. This tweet reads, We're seeking the public's

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Speaker 2: help identifying this person of interest in connection with the

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Speaker 2: fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University one

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Speaker 2: eight hundred Call FBI with a full frontal photo of

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Speaker 2: this individual, wearing a hat and sunglasses, appears to be

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Speaker 2: climbing a set of stairs.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 2: This just breaking now, with of course, a shooter who

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Speaker 2: is still at large. In a political world that has

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Speaker 3: Today for so many reasons.

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Speaker 2: We heard from the President of the United States last evening,

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Speaker 2: and of course this was after we spoke on the

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Speaker 2: late edition of Balance of Power, when we had just

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Speaker 2: learned of the assassination.

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Speaker 3: Of Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 2: There has been a great outpouring and we went through

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Speaker 2: a lot of this together last evening. You've heard it

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Speaker 2: throughout the day here today on Bloomberg condemnation of political violence.

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Speaker 2: We have also heard some of the blame game being

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Speaker 2: played already. Let's bring you into the Oval Office. It

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Speaker 2: was a four minute video that President Trump posted online

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Speaker 4: Listen, I'm filled with grief and anger at the heinous

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Speaker 4: assassination of Charlie Kirk. My administration will find each and

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Speaker 4: everyone one of those who contributed to this atrocity and

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Speaker 4: to other political violence.

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Speaker 5: To long past.

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Speaker 4: Time for all Americans and the media to confront the

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Speaker 4: fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequence of

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Speaker 4: demonizing those with whom you disagree, day after day, year

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Speaker 4: after year, in the most hateful and despicable way possible.

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Speaker 3: It is unclear if we'll hear the President speak.

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Speaker 2: He did talk to reporters when he was over at

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Speaker 2: there may be more from the President there, But he

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Speaker 2: said more than what we just played for you. After

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Speaker 2: referring to Charlie Kirk as a martyr, the President said,

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Speaker 2: radical left political violence has hurt too many innocent people.

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Speaker 2: Even though we don't know who the shooter is. Let's

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Speaker 2: update what we have right now from the White House.

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Speaker 2: Before we talked to Frank Launce Bloomberg. Washington correspondent Tyler

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Speaker 2: Kendall has been handling this delicate story and joins us

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Speaker 2: from the north lawn of the White House. Tyler, do

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Speaker 2: we suspect we'll hear from President Trump in New York

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Speaker 6: Very likely will, Joe. He did come and speak with

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Speaker 6: US reporters, as you mentioned, I was at the Pentagon

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Speaker 6: But Joe, as you well know, this was a very

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tyler, thank you so much. If we do hear

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Speaker 2: Tyler Kendall. I want to be clear here and not

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Speaker 2: the line with Frank Luntz. It was the first call

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Speaker 2: of the aisle. Frank Lunz, welcome back to Bloomberg. It's

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Speaker 2: really great to have you in an important conversation that

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Speaker 2: I know we're in for. I don't know how this

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Speaker 3: How are you feeling?

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Speaker 7: This is absolutely your emotions and what you're saying are

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Speaker 7: with you agree or disagree in factact that it's completely irrelevant.

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Speaker 7: your question. With enough enough political violence, enough destroying each other.

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Speaker 7: Hate that I received that video received is atrocious.

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Speaker 5: What kind of country have we become? What kind of

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Speaker 7: I know that probably a third of that are bots

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Speaker 5: So don't believe it. These are our actual people.

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Speaker 7: But for those who seek little, who gain off of

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Speaker 7: if it doesn't speak up and speak out to say

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Speaker 3: Well done enough.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, my good friend and producer James Mahoney went back

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Speaker 3: Frank. The day after election.

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Speaker 2: remember it really well. We were going to pull that tape,

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Speaker 2: but there's no need to do that because you're here

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Speaker 3: I just want to read it back to you.

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Speaker 2: This is what you said when I asked you, what

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Speaker 7: The video was horrific, and I was teaching while this happened,

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Speaker 7: that's what we should be focusing on, not what happened,

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Speaker 7: but where we go from here.

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Speaker 2: We're spending time with Frank Luntz today on Balance of Power.

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Speaker 2: I wonder your thoughts about what the President said last night.

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Speaker 2: Radical left political violence has hurt too many innocent people

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Speaker 2: and taken too many lives, the framing of this from

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Speaker 2: one side to the other, Frank. The worry is that

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Speaker 3: Well, that's absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: You know, one of the terrible side effects that we

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Speaker 3: It leads fewer people to want to serve.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you were on the floor when

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Speaker 2: things got hot yesterday, Congressman, I was just reading about this,

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Speaker 2: emotions boiling over as Representative Lauren bober yelled, silent prayers

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Speaker 3: Does that represent the tone up there right now?

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Speaker 9: I think it represents that there's a lot of raw

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Speaker 9: I was also frustrated. Is I learned that Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 9: how do we have a far more productive conversation, because

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Speaker 9: National defense is a massive priority, with kinetic wars taking

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Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate this conversation, and I wonder if you

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Speaker 2: the end of this month. Congressman, can we compartmentalize this

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Speaker 3: Well, we're going to have to.

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Speaker 9: I think it's imperative that we navigate this to make

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Speaker 9: packages that went through. That's no excuse to shut down

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Speaker 9: the federal government. In fact, that received a majority vote

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Speaker 9: We should be looking at ways to save money for

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Speaker 2: Does the extension of Obamacare tax credits help to pave

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Speaker 2: the way or has that been shelved for now? This

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Speaker 9: Well, I think there's a lot of things on the

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Speaker 9: And so the Biden administration put this sunset in place.

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Speaker 9: Why they did that, You could go ask the Democrats

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Speaker 9: There's gonna be a lot of conversations about what it

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Speaker 3: But it would.

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Speaker 9: Be negative for the American people if we find ourselves

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does feel like we've seen this movie before.

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Speaker 2: We'll see how it ends. Congressman, thank you for your

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Speaker 2: candor and for your dialogue today. It's important to us.

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Speaker 2: Brian Style, the Republican representing Wisconsin's first district. He chairs

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Speaker 2: the Admin Committee here in Washington, which, as you just heard,

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Speaker 2: is going to be having a deep conversation about security

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Speaker 2: going forward. We've got more conversations ahead, including one with

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Speaker 2: Congresswoman Haley Stevens, the Democrat from Michigan, and our panel

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Speaker 2: next here on Bloomberg Stay with us on Balance of Power.

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Speaker 3: We'll have much more coming up after this.

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Speaker 2: We spoke earlier with Republican Congressman Brian Style, who joined

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Speaker 2: us live from Capitol Hill, and we want to reach

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Speaker 3: Congresswoman, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: We've been specifically reaching out to members with nuance and

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Speaker 2: sensitivity to this topic. You are not a firebrand, which

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Speaker 2: There's been a very difficult conversation here politically happening. We

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Speaker 2: the blame game get going here. What do you want

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Speaker 10: Well, what happened yesterday was tragic. It's unacceptable. My heart

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Speaker 10: goes out to the family, the students who were there.

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Speaker 10: Rising political violence is not acceptable, has never been acceptable,

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Speaker 10: and cannot be accepted. And I want to see this

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Speaker 10: the political rhetoric and the and certainly the violence that

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Speaker 10: we're seeing. And you know, I appreciate that. You know,

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Speaker 10: who I came into Congress with. And that's what our

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Speaker 10: country's supposed to be about. It is not supposed to

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Speaker 10: be about seeing violence taking place at this type of level.

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Speaker 10: It's just we just need to find ways to come

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Speaker 3: Donald It's been a lot.

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Speaker 2: We remember Minnesota, we remember the pelosis. Of course, we

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Speaker 2: remember Donald Trump. Congresswoman, what does it feel like to

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Speaker 2: be a member right now? The point has been made

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Speaker 2: a couple of times. By the way, there's no progressive

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Speaker 2: on the other side of the aisle. Do you feel

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Speaker 2: safe when you're out stumping, you're holding campaign events, right

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Speaker 2: now you're stepping in front of crowds of people. You've

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Speaker 2: a lot of people know who you are. You think

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Speaker 2: about taking that congressional pin off your lapel sometimes, Well.

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Speaker 10: I'm I'm very proud to serve the people in Michigan.

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Speaker 10: And of course our governor was also threatened by political

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Speaker 10: to be the answer to this. And we've got UH

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Speaker 10: and I'm going to continue to to call for the

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Speaker 10: the violence. It's it's a concerning time. I have a

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Speaker 10: lot of questions about UH, who this person is. I

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Speaker 10: He had a hit list. There was a lot of

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Speaker 10: UH me personally. This is also just about our country.

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Speaker 10: You know. The targeted figures and figureheads is awful, but

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Speaker 10: it's what it means for all of us, all of

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 10: You know, I've been campaigning all over Michigan, working to

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Speaker 10: And that the minute that that starts to get chipped

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Speaker 10: And again, you know, our heart goes out to anyone

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Speaker 2: Well, I've just you know, I really appreciate the sentiment

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Speaker 2: we do need this to be about you to a

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Speaker 2: there's no one there to represent the people. There's also

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Speaker 2: The spiral here could be very real. And with that

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Speaker 3: What are you thinking today?

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Speaker 10: One of the things that I tell people back home

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Speaker 10: the direction that this current administration's policies have taken us down,

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Speaker 10: particularly with cuts to healthcare. I want to have that discussion.

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Speaker 10: That's why I show up to work every day. That's

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Speaker 10: I remain eager and hungry for that dialogue. And I've

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Speaker 10: put differences aside to fund the government responsibly or protect

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Speaker 10: our security. And look, that's what I'm going to expect

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Speaker 10: to see happen over these next handful of weeks. And I,

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Speaker 10: of course, am always going to be standing up for

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Speaker 10: in this moment.

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Speaker 2: You have been known to tell Michigan's story right here

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Speaker 2: on Bloomberg. Congresswoman, it's great to have you back. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for your insights today on what I know is

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Speaker 2: a very delicate matter, and I thank you for your service,

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Speaker 2: along with Congressman Style, all the Democrats and Republicans here

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Speaker 3: We have to remember actually what this is all about.

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Speaker 2: Even though things can frequently devolve into shouting and resentment,

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Speaker 2: we do need smart men and women to come here.

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Speaker 3: To Washington to do this work.

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Speaker 2: We try to give them a safe place to talk

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Speaker 2: about it here on Bloomberg. Haley Stevens, Democrat from Michigan's

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Speaker 2: eleventh thank you stay.

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Speaker 2: We are, of course consumed with politics on this program,

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Speaker 2: and today in Washington.

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Speaker 3: It does feel a bit different coming off the news

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Speaker 3: last evening and.

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Speaker 2: The assassination of Charlie Kirk now moving into the stages

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Speaker 2: of course that we walk through.

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Speaker 3: Each year.

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Speaker 2: On the eleventh of September, there was a ceremony held

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Speaker 2: as we do each year, at the Pentagon. President Trump

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Speaker 2: attended that ceremony, and he's going to be making his

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Speaker 2: to attend the New York Yankees game. Course recalling former

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Speaker 2: President George W. Bush's triumphant night at Yankee Stadium when

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Speaker 2: the nation felt like it was in a very different

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Speaker 2: place than it is today. The unity that followed nine

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Speaker 2: As we've heard more than once in following this assassination yesterday,

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Speaker 2: I think too many, it seems even further.

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Speaker 3: Out of reach.

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Speaker 2: There'll be much more news to follow, and we'll update

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Speaker 2: things with the help of Bloomberg and CBS News along

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Speaker 2: the way.

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Speaker 3: Throughout the day.

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Speaker 2: Here on Bloomberg, we're focused on seeking context and perspective.

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Speaker 2: It's a briefing held last evening and it was stark

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Speaker 2: to listen to on Bloomberg Radio. Doug Krisner was on

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Speaker 2: the air and I was driving home from the late

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Speaker 2: addition to balance of power when the Governor of Utah,

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Speaker 2: Spencer Cox, started speaking, and I think you might remember

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Speaker 2: the headline that I'm referring to. Let's listen to the

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Speaker 2: governor before we bring in our panel. Here's Spencer Cox.

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Speaker 11: I want to be very that this is a political assassination.

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Speaker 5: We are.

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Speaker 11: Celebrating two hundred and fifty years of the founding of

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Speaker 11: this great nation, that founding document, the Declaration of Independence,

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Speaker 11: That this great experiment on which we embarked together two

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Speaker 11: hundred and fifty years ago, that we are endowed by

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Speaker 11: our creator.

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Speaker 5: With certain unalienable rights.

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Speaker 11: The first one of those is life, and today a

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Speaker 11: life was taken. Charlie Kirk was first and foremost a

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Speaker 11: husband and a dad too young children.

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Speaker 5: He was also very much politically involved.

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Speaker 2: And this is where we start with our panel. I'm

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Speaker 2: glad to say that Genie is with us today. Bloomberg

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Speaker 2: Politics contributor Genie Shanzano is Democracy Visiting Fellow at Harvard

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Speaker 2: Kennedy School's Ash Center, joined as well by Republican strategist

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Speaker 2: Credit Joints Policy director Brownstein. Hyatt Greta. Welcome back to

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Speaker 2: our conversation. It's great to see you and Genie. I

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Speaker 2: want to start with you here with so many questions.

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Speaker 2: Most of them are pretty simple. I think people are

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Speaker 2: asking this morning when you talk to somebody in the office.

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Speaker 2: I got a couple of calls from friends earlier than

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Speaker 2: usual today because they wanted to get me before I

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Speaker 2: them questions like how did we get here?

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Speaker 3: And how do we move on?

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Speaker 2: Some folks are very worried in some cases about the

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Speaker 2: rhetoric that we heard from President Trump last evening, some

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Speaker 2: of the blame game that has followed. But Genie, they

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Speaker 2: haven't even found the shooter yet, and I wonder what

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Speaker 2: you think the proper conversation is to be having right now.

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Speaker 3: What questions are you asking?

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Speaker 12: You know?

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Speaker 13: I think the propper conversation is, of course, to extend

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Speaker 13: our condolences to Charlie Kirk's very young family and to

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Speaker 13: celebrate the work that he did. I am obviously a Democrat,

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Speaker 13: but I know of Charlie Kirk's work very very well

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Speaker 13: because I am fortunate enough to spend much of my

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Speaker 13: professional life on college campuses. And you can hardly have

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Speaker 13: without being introduced to Charlie Kirk in one form or another.

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Speaker 3: And just today, Joe, I.

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Speaker 13: Like you, was hearing from people and I heard from

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Speaker 13: an alum who had started the Turning Point group on

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Speaker 13: campus and I had worked with her as a faculty

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Speaker 13: member on that and she is now working on the

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Speaker 13: Hill and she just recalled how life changing Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 13: and Turning Point were for her and other conservative students

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Speaker 13: on campus. And so I think that's the proper conversation

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Speaker 13: to have. And then I think I think the other

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Speaker 13: proper conversation to have is about you mentioned the rhetoric,

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Speaker 13: and I think that is the rhetoric we used to

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Speaker 13: respond to this because one thing I think we all

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Speaker 13: have to be careful about, particularly those on my side

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Speaker 13: of the aisle, is to say political violence is unacceptable.

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Speaker 13: But and remember anything before a butt is a lie.

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Speaker 13: We should never be saying but we disagreed with them

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Speaker 13: or we found it offensive, It's got to be politically

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Speaker 13: political violence is unacceptable. And the same goes with the

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Speaker 13: other side of the aisle, And that is something I

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Speaker 13: think we need to have a conversation about because rhetoric

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Speaker 13: does seem to, according to the research, play some role

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Speaker 5: I don't think it plays a.

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Speaker 13: Complete role or explains it completely, but it does play

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Speaker 13: some role.

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Speaker 2: Greta joins, what's going through your head here today as

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Speaker 2: a national conversation gets started. I keep hearing that we're

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Speaker 2: at a political inflection point. Do you worry this is

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Speaker 2: an inflection point that leads to something worse or something better?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 12: I think as you as you talk to Republicans today,

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Speaker 12: the anger is palpable. Charlie's enduring legacy was certainly his

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Speaker 12: commitment to engaging with and discussing things with the other side.

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Speaker 12: And I think what is so frustrating is here as

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Speaker 12: the panel today, really encouraging and mocking the tone and

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Speaker 12: tenor of what Charlie did from when he was basically

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Speaker 12: And I think that as we move forward his legacy,

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Speaker 12: he would certainly want to be his family and his faith.

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Speaker 12: And I think it's just as republiclkins, I think we're

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Speaker 12: trying to reconcile that with how frustrating and vilified. I

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Speaker 12: think we feel that that Charlie was unfairly for many years.

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Speaker 12: So I think that it is it's a challenging moment

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Speaker 12: for the country. But I think that frankly, conservatives feelings

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Speaker 2: You know, there are a lot of progressives who felt

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Speaker 2: vilified by some of Charlie Kirk's comments as well, which

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to spend a lot of time exploring

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Speaker 2: on the program here, Greta, I just wonder your thoughts

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Speaker 2: on what we heard from Congressman Don Bacon today, Republican

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Speaker 2: from Nebraska. He says he wishes President Trump would unite

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Speaker 2: the country after this shooting, but quote, he's a populist,

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Speaker 2: he says, Populists dwell on anger, and I have to

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Speaker 2: remind people we had democrats killed in Minnesota too.

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Speaker 3: Rite.

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Speaker 12: Does he have a point, Greta, You know, I, frankly,

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Speaker 12: I don't know Congressman Bacon well enough to sort of

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Speaker 2: Just on the fact that Democrats have been have been

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Speaker 12: I think, you know, the comments that we're hearing on

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Speaker 12: I think what has been challenging in particular in recent

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Speaker 12: Gavin Newsom post mocking pictures of the assassination attempt on

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Speaker 13: And you know.

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Speaker 12: That, I think the more insulated that we become from

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Speaker 12: you know, really aggressively using terms like fascist and Nazi,

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Speaker 12: and we are at war with our opponents, as we

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Speaker 12: heard Senator Murphy say just a couple of days ago,

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Speaker 12: I think that emboldens those who are attacking Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 5: That is a challenging moment for sure.

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Speaker 3: Well, of course, Jeanie.

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Speaker 2: We remember in June the Minnesota Speaker of the House,

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Speaker 2: Amrita Melissa Hortman, was killed in a shooting at her

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Speaker 2: home along with her husband Mark. Her fellow Democratic lawmaker,

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Speaker 2: State Senator John Hoffman and his wife were also shot

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Speaker 2: and wounded. I could go through, of course, a list

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Speaker 2: like this, but I recall the President's remarks last evening

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Speaker 2: when he sent out that video from the Oval office

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Speaker 2: and referred to radical left political violence hurting too many

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Speaker 2: innocent people. Are we going down a dangerous path here

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Speaker 13: Thank thanks, and I think that Representative Bacon's words are

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Speaker 13: well taken, and I too wish the President would not

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Speaker 13: have said that last night. You mentioned the shootings of

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Speaker 13: the state senators. We also had the horrific firebombing of

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Speaker 13: Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania's House, a Democrat, where

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Speaker 13: he and his family were. We had the attempted kidnapping

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Speaker 13: of Gretchen Whitmer, Democrat.

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Speaker 5: Michigan governor.

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Speaker 13: We had the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi's husband

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Speaker 13: brutally beaten. You know, we've had political violence increasing on

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Speaker 13: both sides, and in every situation it is deplorable. I

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Speaker 13: would also just caution that when you look at the

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Speaker 13: research on political violence, and when you look at the

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Speaker 13: history of political violence in this country, probably the most

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Speaker 13: politically violent decade before now was in the nineteen sixties.

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Speaker 13: Rhetoric plays a role, and we are certainly at a

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Speaker 13: different point with social media and our access to it.

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Speaker 13: But that is not the primary or only factor. Another

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Speaker 5: And people don't want to talk about that.

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Speaker 13: They want to talk about the rhetoric because it's much

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Speaker 13: more enticing to talk about. But the reality is we

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Speaker 13: have structural problems in the government which drive vast amounts

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Speaker 13: of political violence in this country, and that needs to

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Speaker 13: be addressed. And on Charlie Kirk, I will just say

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Speaker 13: to echo a bit of what Greta said. He was

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Speaker 13: this person who loved to go on college campuses where

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Speaker 13: we celebrate free speech and engage with everybody, and he

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Speaker 13: did so with joy.

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Speaker 5: And I'm always reminded he.

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Speaker 13: Was joyful right before the horrific shooting yesterday.

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Speaker 5: And I'm reminded of.

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Speaker 13: What the guys on Pod Save America said, the Democrats

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Speaker 13: need to find some joy in their party, because you

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Speaker 13: can't have a party without fun and joy, Joe Matthew.

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Speaker 13: And that is what Charlie Kirk brought to the Party

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Speaker 13: of the GOP, and that is why so many young

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Speaker 13: people were attracted to him. And again, unless you are

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Speaker 13: surrounded by young people. It's hard to know that that

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Speaker 13: doesn't mean all of them, because there's vast progressives and

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Speaker 13: liberals who didn't like him.

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Speaker 3: But Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 13: Had fun, most fun, more fun, just like his mentor

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Speaker 13: Rush Limbaut, engaging with people who disagreed with him as

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Speaker 13: he did those who agreed to them. So there was

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Speaker 13: a joy to him that we should not forget. And

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Speaker 13: Democrats want to emulate that on the left. They haven't

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Speaker 13: been able to because there's only one Charlie Kirk. But

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Speaker 13: that is something important to keep in mind about his

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Speaker 13: prowess and what thirty one, thirty two years old he

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Speaker 13: was able to bring.

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Speaker 2: It's a really great point. I was talking to producer

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Speaker 2: James about this. I'm not sure there is an equivalent

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Speaker 2: on the left, which is why people have been looking

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Speaker 2: to lawmakers in the Democratic Party to respond to this.

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Speaker 3: Gendie Shanse great stuff, and Greta joins thank you. Thanks

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