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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stephaniely

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Speaker 1: Never Told You production of iHeart Radio. And welcome to

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Speaker 1: another sub sub segment on fictional women around the world.

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Speaker 1: And I'm actually so excited to talk about this one,

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Speaker 1: which is kind of funny. I'm gonna get into it

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Speaker 1: in a second. Today we're talking about star Treks and

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Speaker 1: Nyoda Herra, first played by Michelle Nichols and later by

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Speaker 1: Zoe's Aldonna, explaining Star Trek is a lot. It's a lot,

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Speaker 1: as are I mean, like no different than like Marvel

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Speaker 1: it back. Yes, yes, currently, and I have a lot

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Speaker 1: of friends who are excited about it. But like in

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Speaker 1: a nutshell, if you can imagine if our silly space

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Speaker 1: an actual thing, if in this fictional world which is

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Speaker 1: set in the future United States, and it's called Starfleet

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Speaker 1: in this universe, um, and if it's it's not militaristic,

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Speaker 1: it's a diplomatic, exploratory thing. And you go these star

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Speaker 1: check these Starfleet crews go and and explore and try to,

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Speaker 1: like that's kind of the basis. The property is huge, huge,

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Speaker 1: and so impactful with multiple television shows and movies parodies,

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Speaker 1: and it has also influenced real world technology. Shout out

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Speaker 1: to spot. It was one of my first crushes. My

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Speaker 1: I feel like Star Wars was much goofier in their aliens.

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Speaker 1: And I say this with love. Star Trek was much

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Speaker 1: more like there are these worms that were crawling in

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Speaker 1: Like I remember being four years old and watching over

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Speaker 1: because it's scary, it's so badly I did go on

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Speaker 1: to watch. I've seen all the movies. I've seen the

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Speaker 1: original series. I've been told I'm missing out by not watching.

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Speaker 1: I've been told I would really like the next generation,

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Speaker 1: so little about this. It has never been in my

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Speaker 1: all coming together now, But today we are talking about her,

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Speaker 1: who was a human starfleet communications officer that served on

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Speaker 1: A under Captain James T. Kirk Yes, played by Shatner.

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Speaker 1: She first appeared in the nineteen sixty six episode called

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Speaker 1: Star Trek the Motion Picture. While some critiqued her lesser

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