WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Goosebumps

0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh and

0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:10.239
<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck and Jerry's pretending that she's Dave c right now,

0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:16.120
<v Speaker 1>and that makes this a short stuff about Chuck. Goose Bumps.

0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:19.000
<v Speaker 1>All those R. L. Stein fans out there are going

0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:23.560
<v Speaker 1>to be very disappointed. In a second. Those were below

0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:27.040
<v Speaker 1>my age range. Same here. Those came along after we left,

0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.800
<v Speaker 1>right after we left Childhood. Yeah, definitely. Um, But I

0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:32.760
<v Speaker 1>have to say, if you've been on Netflix and you're

0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.840
<v Speaker 1>looking for something scary, slashery to watch, but that's also

0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:40.480
<v Speaker 1>really smart, that same dude came up with something called

0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Fear Street. Um. It's like three part series, really really

0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.720
<v Speaker 1>well done. Um, and it is not meant for kids

0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.400
<v Speaker 1>at all, Like it is super gory, super graphic. Just

0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:54.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's almost like carl Stein was like, I'm

0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.520
<v Speaker 1>so super writing for kids, and it just went the

0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:00.440
<v Speaker 1>opposite direction. So it's definitely worth watching. Anyone on a

0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:04.040
<v Speaker 1>murder spree. Yeah pretty much, man, it's really good. They

0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:07.000
<v Speaker 1>shot some of those goose bumps and right around our neighborhoods.

0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:11.400
<v Speaker 1>That's great man. Did you sell them? Um? Bloody Caesar's

0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:17.240
<v Speaker 1>very funny, So let's start talking about goose bumps, the

0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:23.360
<v Speaker 1>real goose bumps um, which is also known as pilo erection. Well,

0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:27.440
<v Speaker 1>I guess somebody had to say it. Uh, nothing funny

0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:32.319
<v Speaker 1>about that word, though, right, kind it's kind of funny, okay. Uh? Yeah.

0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Goose bumps are obviously an evolutionary holdover. And I can't

0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.440
<v Speaker 1>believe we haven't talked about this before, but have we

0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:43.560
<v Speaker 1>in just in some random yep? I think it's either

0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.080
<v Speaker 1>that or we did like a video explainer on it

0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.680
<v Speaker 1>or something. I know I did it. Don't be dumb,

0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:50.720
<v Speaker 1>but that's not that's not it. You and I have

0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.160
<v Speaker 1>talked about it before too. All right, Well should we

0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:54.560
<v Speaker 1>just tell people to go watch you don't be dumb

0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:56.600
<v Speaker 1>and sign off? No, no, no, because this is gonna

0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.280
<v Speaker 1>be way better than that. Don't be dumb? Okay? Uh? Well,

0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:03.880
<v Speaker 1>goose bumps are evolutionary hold over. Uh and you know,

0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.040
<v Speaker 1>sort of the and I think a lot of people

0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:08.920
<v Speaker 1>know this, but one of the things that happens when

0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.800
<v Speaker 1>you get goose bumps is ideally you have a little

0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.880
<v Speaker 1>tiny hair standing on end um. You can also get

0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.200
<v Speaker 1>goose bumps where there is no hair, but again, evolutionary

0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:23.400
<v Speaker 1>holdover from when we were all much more furry individuals.

0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.320
<v Speaker 1>And you call that pilow direction, and that's because it

0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:32.200
<v Speaker 1>is uh, the pilo erector muscles that are contracting and

0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:34.959
<v Speaker 1>making Uh. If you do have hair, stand on in

0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.280
<v Speaker 1>and took took when you had much more hair, stand

0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:39.480
<v Speaker 1>on in. Yeah, or like you said, if you don't

0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.360
<v Speaker 1>have hair, it's just like this kind of raised you

0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.440
<v Speaker 1>look like a pluck goose in that that um area,

0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:48.160
<v Speaker 1>which I just realizes why they call it goosebumps. You

0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.079
<v Speaker 1>didn't know that, are you kidding? It was one of

0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.560
<v Speaker 1>those things like it just never stopped and thought about it.

0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.000
<v Speaker 1>I've heard people say chicken skin too. Yeah, that makes

0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.560
<v Speaker 1>total sense as well. But so the second function you mentioned,

0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:01.240
<v Speaker 1>the first one is to keep us warm. The second

0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.000
<v Speaker 1>one was that if we were scared back in the

0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.760
<v Speaker 1>day when we had a lot more hair, or let's

0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:10.680
<v Speaker 1>say other animals that get goose bumps um and it

0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.320
<v Speaker 1>makes their hair stand on end. It makes them appear

0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:17.120
<v Speaker 1>bigger to a predator. So let's say fight or flight response,

0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:20.840
<v Speaker 1>which is appropriate because it's part of the sympathetic nervous system.

0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Goose bumps are but chuck. There's something really unique about

0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:28.360
<v Speaker 1>goose bumps. As far as sympathetic nervous system stuff goes, it's,

0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:33.000
<v Speaker 1>from what anyone can tell, the only sympathetic nervous response

0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:38.040
<v Speaker 1>that can be consciously controlled. It's extremely rare, but they

0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:42.160
<v Speaker 1>found that some people can give themselves goose bumps. It's

0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:46.520
<v Speaker 1>pretty awesome talent. As far as the you know, the

0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:50.080
<v Speaker 1>evolutionary holdover, I don't think we said that it keeps

0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.320
<v Speaker 1>us warm because it raises that hair up, and what

0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:58.400
<v Speaker 1>happens is air gets trapped in that space between right

0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:02.360
<v Speaker 1>is uh davemat Piece would say that, Dave Matthews, we

0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.560
<v Speaker 1>would you do that to everybody? I don't even like

0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Dave Matthews. I'm I'm not even sure how I know

0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.600
<v Speaker 1>that song. Well, I mean he's he's got a few

0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:12.880
<v Speaker 1>hits under his belt for sure, and I guess that's

0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.360
<v Speaker 1>one of them. Uh, So that'll help keep you warm.

0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.920
<v Speaker 1>And as far as the puffing up to appear bigger like,

0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.120
<v Speaker 1>you still see this all over the place in the

0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:24.720
<v Speaker 1>animal kingdom. Um, whether or not you're a dog barges

0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.000
<v Speaker 1>in on your cat and your cat puffs puffs up.

0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:29.679
<v Speaker 1>It's always funny looking when a cat puffs that tail

0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:32.840
<v Speaker 1>and body up. To try to appear you know, like

0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:35.600
<v Speaker 1>half an inch bigger than they really are all over.

0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:38.400
<v Speaker 1>But it's not just cats. You see all kinds of

0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.599
<v Speaker 1>animals that'll that'll puff up there for or feathers, because

0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.080
<v Speaker 1>birds do kind of the same thing. Yeah, totally. And

0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:45.839
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing is like, leave me alone. I'm way

0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.920
<v Speaker 1>bigger than you thought, run away. Just don't even test me, right,

0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.760
<v Speaker 1>but don't think about it, buddy. So that makes them

0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:55.400
<v Speaker 1>totally useless in humans, like because we don't have enough

0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.680
<v Speaker 1>hair to warm ourselves and we don't have enough hair

0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:02.000
<v Speaker 1>to appear any bigger. So, like you said, kept calling

0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:05.480
<v Speaker 1>it an evolutionary holdover. But what's really interesting about goose

0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:10.120
<v Speaker 1>bumps is somehow, some way along the way, as humans

0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:14.520
<v Speaker 1>developed more and more consciousness and intelligence and our brains

0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:19.400
<v Speaker 1>just kept evolving, something happened to where our goose bump

0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:28.240
<v Speaker 1>response got hijacked when we hear certain emotionally evocative things. Yeah,

0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.520
<v Speaker 1>like if you've ever been at a live concert and

0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:35.640
<v Speaker 1>gotten chills because something was so overwhelming emotionally, Yeah, like

0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.800
<v Speaker 1>the dude from Boston like just really delivered an amazing

0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:44.680
<v Speaker 1>drum solo. Uh wow, Okay, I didn't that's funny. Out

0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.240
<v Speaker 1>of all the people in Boston, I didn't see going

0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.919
<v Speaker 1>towards the drummer. Oh, he had the greatest afro of

0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:53.920
<v Speaker 1>all time. Of the original guy, Yeah, Barry I think, Yeah,

0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:55.920
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember his name, but yeah, he had a

0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.400
<v Speaker 1>fantastic affro. You know, all those guys went to M

0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I T. I didn't know all of them, Did I

0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.200
<v Speaker 1>know Tom Schultz did? I'm pretty sure all of them did,

0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.880
<v Speaker 1>because Schultz was the guitar genius who kind of built

0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.239
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of equipment along the way, and very technically

0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.560
<v Speaker 1>minded guy and very kind of creepy and sad. What

0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.920
<v Speaker 1>happened to the lead singer? Oh? I don't know about that.

0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:17.960
<v Speaker 1>You'll have to tell me um later on. Yeah, yeah,

0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:19.560
<v Speaker 1>this is a shorty, so you can just google that

0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:23.040
<v Speaker 1>if you're interested in people. So should we take a break?

0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.760
<v Speaker 1>I guess yeah sure. I think we kind of buildup

0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.440
<v Speaker 1>a cliffhanger, like why what happened? Like what how did

0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:32.800
<v Speaker 1>our our goose bumps get hijacked? For when something emotional happened,

0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:36.400
<v Speaker 1>specifically when we're at a live concert watching Boston. Yeah,

0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.080
<v Speaker 1>and did they all go to M I T? And

0:06:38.080 --> 0:07:02.960
<v Speaker 1>we'll find all this out right after this? All right,

0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.320
<v Speaker 1>so there's a guy. Uh, well, there's been a few

0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.400
<v Speaker 1>studies about this before we get to the guy. There

0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:13.960
<v Speaker 1>was a study in January in Biological psychology, and a

0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:17.480
<v Speaker 1>big shout out to Jennifer Walker Journey of postal works

0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.840
<v Speaker 1>dot com for the help with this. But uh, they

0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:22.920
<v Speaker 1>did a test where they basically said, hey, let's see

0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.840
<v Speaker 1>what kind of goose bumps, what they called subjective chills

0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:29.160
<v Speaker 1>we could get out of people if we sit them

0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.200
<v Speaker 1>down and introduce them or at least let them here

0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.920
<v Speaker 1>certain musics, and they chose a couple. I'm sure they

0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.040
<v Speaker 1>chose a bunch, but the two highlighted here are Saline

0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.640
<v Speaker 1>Dion's My Heart Will Go On and they called it

0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:46.280
<v Speaker 1>a chill ratio of f and a pilo or p

0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:50.440
<v Speaker 1>low erection ratio of fourteen percent. So four like goose

0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.760
<v Speaker 1>bumps of fourteen percent. Not not bad. Four of the

0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.320
<v Speaker 1>participants got goose bumps listening to that song, right, I

0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.600
<v Speaker 1>think that's what that means. Yeah, but what's next. What's

0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.080
<v Speaker 1>next is it's not even fair. They brought out the

0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:06.640
<v Speaker 1>big guns and they dropped purple rain on everybody. Not bad,

0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:11.559
<v Speaker 1>and unsurprisingly Purple Rain scored a one chill ratio. Every

0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.440
<v Speaker 1>single person in that study listening to Purple ring Head

0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:18.520
<v Speaker 1>shivers up and down their spine, and half got goose bumps.

0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.400
<v Speaker 1>And I can tell you the exact moment in that

0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.320
<v Speaker 1>song when everyone got chills and goose bumps, when Prince

0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.120
<v Speaker 1>starts whaling at the end, Honey, I know, I know,

0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:30.960
<v Speaker 1>I know, um vocally whaling or guitar whaling, vocally whaling

0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.040
<v Speaker 1>when he comes in and joins like his guitar and

0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:36.640
<v Speaker 1>it actually it just kind of comes out of nowhere,

0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.800
<v Speaker 1>but it fits so perfectly. And that actually really jibes

0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.840
<v Speaker 1>with research that a lot of um, a lot of

0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.400
<v Speaker 1>the things that give us goose bumps or chills down

0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.760
<v Speaker 1>our spine are when some sort of solo vocal or

0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:54.120
<v Speaker 1>instrument emerges from a more complex musical background. And that's

0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.680
<v Speaker 1>about as good an example of that as you're gonna find. Yeah,

0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:59.480
<v Speaker 1>And that to me is like a really cool thing.

0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Is Uh. There's this guy named Mitchell Culver who I

0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.280
<v Speaker 1>don't know I how stuff works. Got in touch with him.

0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.839
<v Speaker 1>They used to do interviews and stuff, but he was

0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.600
<v Speaker 1>an instructor. May still be at Utah State university, and

0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.240
<v Speaker 1>he studied a lot of this stuff and basically said,

0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, you have and and he put it very

0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:20.439
<v Speaker 1>simplistically by saying like you have two brains essentially, but

0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:22.600
<v Speaker 1>he he broke it down into thinking like you have

0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.240
<v Speaker 1>your sort of emotional brain and then you're sort of

0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:29.000
<v Speaker 1>rational thinking brain, and your emotional brain is still that

0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:33.880
<v Speaker 1>sort of uh, you know, evolutionarily wired took took brain

0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.440
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's still you know, even though we're walking

0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:40.360
<v Speaker 1>around in modern society, it's still sort of always aware

0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:43.320
<v Speaker 1>and looking out for anything that might be a bad

0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.560
<v Speaker 1>thing for you, whether it's a threat or a hole

0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:49.200
<v Speaker 1>in the sidewalk, or like you when you were a kid,

0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:51.520
<v Speaker 1>you'd walk into a room and identify the weapons like

0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:55.040
<v Speaker 1>you were Jason bod or something like that. Right, So

0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:59.200
<v Speaker 1>the thing is, while you're constantly looking for those threats, um,

0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.600
<v Speaker 1>eventually you mine one once in a while, or you

0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:05.120
<v Speaker 1>think you do UM Because we're still wired to be

0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:08.720
<v Speaker 1>worried about the the original threats that were a problem

0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.320
<v Speaker 1>for humans and then our animal ancestors. So very often

0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.240
<v Speaker 1>when we see something, we're startled or we we perceive

0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.280
<v Speaker 1>it as a threat with our emotional brain after a

0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:22.560
<v Speaker 1>beat or so, when our thinking brain are more evolved,

0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:26.040
<v Speaker 1>conscious brain comes in and analyzes situations like calm down,

0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.880
<v Speaker 1>calm down, it's not even a threat, and that after

0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:32.000
<v Speaker 1>that point there's attention that was built up that's now

0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.640
<v Speaker 1>released and it usually kind of feels pretty good. So

0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:40.079
<v Speaker 1>Culvert has linked that to why we would get goose

0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.920
<v Speaker 1>bumps or the chills with music, and I think it's

0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.080
<v Speaker 1>a good theory. My problem with this, at least in

0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.439
<v Speaker 1>this article is it's presented as if like this is done,

0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:52.800
<v Speaker 1>We've done all the research and this is the answer

0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.800
<v Speaker 1>we we know now, and that's absolutely not the case.

0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Like this is a this is a theory. It's a hypothesis.

0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.200
<v Speaker 1>It is a good one, but it's not. It's not

0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.120
<v Speaker 1>that's it, Like everyone just agrees that that's what's going

0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:06.440
<v Speaker 1>on now. I completely agree. Um, And you know you

0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:10.280
<v Speaker 1>mentioned the fact that like a uh, sort of harmonies

0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.680
<v Speaker 1>coming out of nowhere, or when Prince's voice s melds

0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:17.320
<v Speaker 1>with that guitar solo or something that is sort of

0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:21.680
<v Speaker 1>the unexpected thing that can draw the or I guess

0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.760
<v Speaker 1>build a bridge between the two brains as far as

0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Culver is concerned. Uh and The key of it all though,

0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.959
<v Speaker 1>is in in modern humans, like getting those pleasurable goose bumps,

0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:34.040
<v Speaker 1>and not because you're like afraid or something, is because

0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.760
<v Speaker 1>you actually get a dopamine hit when you're getting that

0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:41.640
<v Speaker 1>aesthetic uh set of goose bumps. Yes, But Culver and

0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.520
<v Speaker 1>people who subscribed to this hypothesis I think are putting

0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.640
<v Speaker 1>like the cart before the horse, because they're saying, when

0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.760
<v Speaker 1>your brain resolves that it's not actually an issue, you

0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.680
<v Speaker 1>get a dump of dopamine. I think the dopamine comes

0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.720
<v Speaker 1>from something else. I don't think that's necessarily what it is,

0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.880
<v Speaker 1>because I think you can be surprised, startled, and then

0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:05.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, realize you you were. You know that's that's

0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:07.839
<v Speaker 1>actually not a deadly spider, it's a Fisher Price little person.

0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:12.240
<v Speaker 1>You don't get like some dump of dopamine over that. Um.

0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:13.880
<v Speaker 1>So I think that there's something else too, and it

0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:18.679
<v Speaker 1>seems to be specifically coming from again, an emotionally evocative

0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.120
<v Speaker 1>song or seen in a movie or something like that,

0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.240
<v Speaker 1>and it has to be a certain kind of emotion too.

0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Anger doesn't necessarily do it. It's usually something sad or

0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:33.000
<v Speaker 1>something deeply like romantic, or something really hopeful just something

0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:37.200
<v Speaker 1>something that's not like just like negative through and through

0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.600
<v Speaker 1>interesting because I feel like I get chill bumps, like

0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.640
<v Speaker 1>in a movie more when it's like sort of a

0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:48.000
<v Speaker 1>chilling reveal of something and I'm like, oh my gosh,

0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.400
<v Speaker 1>that's what was going on that kind of thing. Okay, Well,

0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.360
<v Speaker 1>that would definitely drive with Culver's hypothesis that it's that

0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.600
<v Speaker 1>you anticipate one thing, or your brain thinks of one thing.

0:12:56.880 --> 0:13:00.160
<v Speaker 1>When it changes your your emotional brain gets scared. It's

0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.679
<v Speaker 1>a threat because, as he points out, like our our

0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:06.160
<v Speaker 1>emotional brain there's no such thing as a pleasant surprise

0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.720
<v Speaker 1>to it, and so when it gets startled, we're afraid.

0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:10.600
<v Speaker 1>And then our thinking brain comes in it's like no, no,

0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:14.480
<v Speaker 1>it's beautiful music. Um. Again, it's a good hypothesis. I

0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:18.000
<v Speaker 1>don't necessarily subscribe to the whole thing. But it doesn't

0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.120
<v Speaker 1>seem like he's just you know, pulled this out of

0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:23.440
<v Speaker 1>his hat and like that's it. Like he's definitely tested

0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:25.400
<v Speaker 1>it and written papers on it and all of that.

0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:28.080
<v Speaker 1>It's just not settled, I guess, is what I'm trying

0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:32.360
<v Speaker 1>to say. Like I saw another another hypothesis by guy

0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:37.120
<v Speaker 1>Um named Jock J. A. K. Pond skip Um, which

0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:40.080
<v Speaker 1>is a wonderful name, and they wrote a study in

0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:44.200
<v Speaker 1>two thousand eleven and their hypothesis was that um that

0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.960
<v Speaker 1>that solo voice like Prince wailing at the end of

0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:51.600
<v Speaker 1>of Purple Rain or like a really great you know

0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.480
<v Speaker 1>oboe solo emerging out of nowhere because he's expecting that

0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:59.559
<v Speaker 1>right that that it mimics a separation call, and that

0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.640
<v Speaker 1>it riggers that sense of loss. That um that is

0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.120
<v Speaker 1>just completely ingrained in us from the you know, millions

0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.760
<v Speaker 1>of years of natural history that we're tuned to listen

0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.160
<v Speaker 1>out for that, and that that's what's what's triggering that

0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.400
<v Speaker 1>that chill or that response. I like that. I like

0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:19.680
<v Speaker 1>that one too. I think I'm out. Oh yeah, are

0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:23.640
<v Speaker 1>you on the Jack Pan Skip train? Yeah? I think so.

0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:27.000
<v Speaker 1>I've got nothing more. Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay, great,

0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.240
<v Speaker 1>all right, Well then that's it for short stuff. Okay,

0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:35.600
<v Speaker 1>we're out. Stuff you should know is a production of

0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.920
<v Speaker 1>I Heart Radio. For more podcasts my heart Radio, visit

0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.760
<v Speaker 1>the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:43.120
<v Speaker 1>listen to your favorite shows.