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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome on into the Betting Pros podcast.

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Speaker 1: For those of you who are wondering right now, hey,

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Speaker 1: who the heck is this new guy?

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Speaker 2: I'm Thomas Biola.

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Speaker 1: I am thrilled to be a part of the team.

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Speaker 1: Here ed Betting Pros. A little bit about me. I

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Speaker 1: am a New Jersey native who has been lucky enough

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Speaker 1: to make his way out to Las Vegas and the

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Speaker 1: wide wide world of sports betting that has erupted from that.

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Speaker 1: I'm a long suffering Jets fan, I'm an equally suffering

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Speaker 1: American lover of soccer, and most importantly of all, I'm

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Speaker 1: here because I want to help us all win some

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Speaker 1: money together. And the best way to do that, especially

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Speaker 1: when you are fully admitted not a sharp better like myself,

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Speaker 1: is to talk to some sharp betters. And today we

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Speaker 1: have one of the sharpest. That is none other than

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Speaker 1: my friend, Jason Weingarten aka spread Apedia. Jason, How are

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Speaker 1: you doing today?

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Speaker 3: Pretty good? Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: It is a pleasure to have you. I am really

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Speaker 1: excited to talk with you. Be his baseball season. It

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Speaker 1: is in full swing now and one of the things

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Speaker 1: that you're seeing all across the gambling Twitter, no run first,

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Speaker 1: Everyone and their mother seems to be betting on these

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Speaker 1: nerfis right now. But I've noticed that you particularly have

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Speaker 1: been saying, Hey, wait a second, guys, this isn't a

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Speaker 1: good bet, and this is a trap that a lot

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Speaker 1: of betters are falling into. What is it about no

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Speaker 1: run first innings that makes these makes them attractive to gamblers?

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Speaker 1: And why is it that that is actually a flawed logic.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that we're

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Speaker 4: seeing so much attention on this kind of stuff, but

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Speaker 4: it always does surprise me because I don't spend a

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Speaker 4: lot of time on Instagram or on a lot of

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Speaker 4: these social media focused gambling and sort of things, and

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Speaker 4: I'll see it all of a sudden, I'll be like, wow, Like,

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Speaker 4: you know, this guy has seventeen thousand followers, this guy

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Speaker 4: has forty thousand followers, like, and he's just viewing constant nonsense.

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Speaker 4: So I'm just kind of you know, I'm in my

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Speaker 4: own little world when it comes to gambling, and all

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Speaker 4: of a sudden, I start seeing all these people talking

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Speaker 4: about no score first innings, and these are bets I

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Speaker 4: used to make when I was in college, you know,

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Speaker 4: which talking fifteen years ago now almost a long time ago,

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Speaker 4: when I was completely clueless, had no clue what I

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Speaker 4: was doing, and playing on a five dimes account, you know,

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Speaker 4: from the beach to Newport, I would bet no score

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Speaker 4: first innings and I would lose. I would lose all

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Speaker 4: the time, and I would have no clue why I

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Speaker 4: was losing. And it took years. It really took years

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Speaker 4: to figure out what I was doing wrong in that I.

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Speaker 3: Was being an idiot exactly.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, basically, these no score first inning bets are

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Speaker 4: very attractive because you're done after six outs and people see,

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Speaker 4: you know, two good pictures and they say, oh, well,

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Speaker 4: these guys can get six outs very quickly.

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Speaker 3: You know, I can.

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Speaker 4: I can bet this and be done in fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 4: But doesn't work like that. It's i mean, the first inning,

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Speaker 4: the first of the ninth innings, the highest scoring endings.

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Speaker 3: In baseball to begin with.

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Speaker 4: But you're getting the top of both both of the lineups,

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Speaker 4: people tend to have these sort of preconceived assumptions about

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Speaker 4: on the first pitch of the game. It's it doesn't

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Some guys need need a couple of pitches.

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Speaker 4: Some guys need twenty pitches to kind of feel their

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Speaker 4: they like it. And again, you're you're getting the top

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Speaker 4: the lineup, you're, you know, you're doing it wrong. And

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Speaker 4: I mean literally, it's it's like the blind leading the blind.

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Speaker 4: You're you're listening to someone who's clueless telling you to

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Speaker 4: you're laying a price or almost always laying one twenty

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Speaker 4: you know, and telling the problem I have, you know,

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Speaker 4: just to sort of clarify, I'm not telling you don't

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Speaker 3: Hey, it's your life, it's your money, and you want

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Speaker 4: I'm not here to tell you, you.

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Speaker 3: Know what, what to have fun on.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's your your Your betting experience is your

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Speaker 4: betting experience. But the reason I bring this up, and

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Speaker 4: I talked about it on Twitter mostly is because when

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Speaker 4: you either work for a media company or you work

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Speaker 4: for a book, you know, and you're putting out content

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Speaker 4: on behalf of them, and you're teaching people bad habits.

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Speaker 4: You're teaching them the incorrect way of doing things.

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Speaker 3: It's one thing to harm yourself.

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Speaker 4: I don't have a problem if you're gonna lose your

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Speaker 4: you know that that that this is fun and this

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Speaker 4: I'm definitely slightly judging these people the same way I

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Speaker 4: judge people that bet the field on a craps table,

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Speaker 4: you know. Or it's just it's it's it's stupid, bad gambling,

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Speaker 4: and you shouldn't be teaching other people to be stupid.

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Speaker 4: You want to do it, do it yourself. But encouraging

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Speaker 1: I completely feel the same way I as someone who

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Speaker 1: giving people bets and trying to make people money. I

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Speaker 1: don't care if I lose every last time that I

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Speaker 1: have gambling. I mean I do care. That would be

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Speaker 1: very suboptimal. But I take it way more personally because

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Speaker 1: I am giving other people advice. There are people who

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Speaker 1: that are looking for sound advice so that they can

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Speaker 1: predatory not to be trying to give them the best

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Speaker 1: advice I can. And you break down no run first innings,

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Speaker 4: I think it's closer closer to fifty one, forty nine

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Speaker 4: More often than not. And it's a price thing. A

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Speaker 4: you're either clueless or you're you know, you're doing this

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Speaker 3: You know you're you're you're you're doing this knowing that

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Speaker 4: I don't. I mean, obviously one is worse than the other,

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Speaker 3: And I pointed this out the first time. I talked

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Speaker 4: But it's not just the content creators that that this

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Speaker 3: This means that everybody in.

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Speaker 4: The entire chain, the editors, the the you know, the

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Speaker 4: this information we're giving out is you know incorrect, And

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Speaker 4: I mean it's it's not a single person failure. It's

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Speaker 4: a failure of you know, multiple people, and nobody's willing

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Speaker 3: That you know, you can give out that gambling advice.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's much more of an industry wide issue,

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Speaker 1: especially on this side, because we people are trying to

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Speaker 1: give out picks. You're if you're a novice, better who's

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Speaker 1: just going Okay, I'm getting started. I'm trying to figure

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Speaker 2: I'm just getting into this.

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Speaker 1: There's no system for going, oh wait, this guy knows

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Speaker 1: what he's talking about versus this guy who doesn't. Because

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Speaker 1: you're a novice, you you don't know the answers to that.

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Speaker 1: Everybody just seems like they're giving out stuff and you're like, Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna believe this guy, and you're picking someone

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Speaker 2: And that's how.

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Speaker 1: Betters can fall into another huge trap, which are touts.

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Speaker 1: And we've seen that so many times. I mean, we

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Speaker 4: Well, I think a lot of it people want to

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Speaker 4: offload the risk of winning to somebody else. Same thing

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Speaker 4: when you invest in a hedge funder, you invest with

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Speaker 4: an investment manager. It's not it's no longer your responsibility

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Speaker 4: whether you win lose the person that you're paying and

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Speaker 4: you know you've you've basically you know, you know, you

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Speaker 4: just don't have that responsibility anymore. It's it's it's a

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Speaker 4: great psychological thing for a lot of people, and all

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Speaker 4: they're looking for is to win.

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Speaker 3: They don't want to they don't want to learn.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's a difference between wanting to learn to

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Speaker 4: be a better gambler and buying picks and plugging the

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Speaker 4: picks into your accounts and you know, my guy wins,

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Speaker 4: my guy loses, but you.

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Speaker 3: Have no clue what you're doing.

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Speaker 4: And a lot of those people and I think one

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Speaker 4: of the hardest things about you know, selling picks or

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Speaker 4: even having a social media following and giving out picks

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Speaker 4: for free.

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Speaker 3: If you like something, even.

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Speaker 4: A prop you know, I like, I'll give you actually

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Speaker 4: a real example earlier this week, I was like, I

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Speaker 4: like Alex Cobb to have over strikeouts at you know,

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Speaker 4: on the prop builder, at every alternate number on the over,

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Speaker 4: and he ended up getting hurt and getting pulled with

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Speaker 4: four strikeouts, so they all ended up losing.

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Speaker 3: But you could bet from five.

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Speaker 4: It was like five, six, seven, eight, nine to ten

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Speaker 4: or something, and ten was thirty to one, and he

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Speaker 4: had he had pitched a ten strikeout game in his

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Speaker 4: first game of the season. So I just tweeted out

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Speaker 4: with a screenshot like, look like thirty to one. I

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Speaker 4: have an eight dollars limit on this, so I'm just

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Speaker 4: going to tweet it out to tell people, you know,

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Speaker 4: what a good bet this is if they can bet it.

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Speaker 4: You know, one hundred bucks at thirty to one's a nice,

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Speaker 4: you know, nice return on a guy getting ten strikeouts.

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Speaker 4: I don't necessarily bet the run line when I bet

440
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Speaker 4: the money line. Actually bet very few run lines, you know,

441
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 4: probably one of the smallest you know markets, I do, actually,

442
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 4: But but I I think that's that's a huge thing.

443
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 4: When you see somebody saying bet the run line because

444
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 4: it's cheaper, that's probably somebody you don't want to take

445
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 4: advice from them because they don't have any clue what

446
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 4: they're doing. Then there's the batter versus pitcher people. And

447
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 4: I think a lot of this has to do with

448
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 4: prop betting, and a lot of the legal books have

449
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 4: you know, an emphasis on offering as many markets as

450
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 4: they can, so you know, unheard of if you if

451
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Speaker 4: you go through a menu for a lot of these sites,

452
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 4: the DraftKings, a FanDuel at MGM. Mostly I'm talking about

453
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,439
Speaker 4: non Novada books, but if you go through some of

454
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 4: these legal apps during a game, like you could bet

455
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Speaker 4: on every pitch, you.

456
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 3: Could bet on every player to hit a home run.

457
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 4: The depth of the offerings at these legal books are

458
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 4: so much deeper than anything we were dealing with in

459
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Speaker 4: the past couple of years, you know, in the old

460
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 4: gambling world. So with these these deep, deep markets, you

461
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 4: have a lot of people coming over from fantasy or

462
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 4: DFS or that have a background and you know something else,

463
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 4: not necessarily you know, sports betting, but sports, you know,

464
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 4: some sports adjacent stuff, and they're very into these prop markets.

465
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 4: A lot of a lot of people just specialize in

466
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 4: talking about props, football props, baseball props.

467
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 3: Whatever, and they win a lot.

468
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 4: And you know, the thing is is if you really

469
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 4: win a lot on props, a lot of these books

470
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 4: are gonna limit you pretty quickly if you're not giving.

471
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Speaker 3: Them action on you know, NFL sides and totals.

472
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Speaker 4: And even if you are, you might still get limited

473
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 4: because they just don't want the prop action you know,

474
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 4: from from known sharps. But you know, you get these

475
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 4: people who who not only bet props, but a lot

476
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 4: of touts think they need to put a lot of

477
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 4: analysis behind their picks, and that people want a paragraph

478
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 4: justification behind everything. And that's something I've never been good at,

479
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 4: because you know, I make a bet zones like why

480
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 4: do you like this bad? Because I like the number,

481
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 4: you know, because the number was was higher than what

482
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 4: I thought it should be. I can't elaborate a paragraph

483
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 4: or two paragraphs on that answer. I could just tell

484
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 4: you because the number was not what I thought it was,

485
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 4: you know, or what.

486
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Speaker 3: I think it should be. That's the answer a lot

487
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Speaker 3: of the time.

488
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Speaker 1: And and when you when you talk about the number

489
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Speaker 1: isn't what I thought it was, it's not so much

490
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Speaker 1: that there's a system there. It's that this is years

491
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Speaker 1: of experience and just years of doing this where you

492
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 1: are at the point where you can just look at

493
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Speaker 1: a board and identify a number and go, I just

494
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Speaker 1: know that that's not right.

495
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Speaker 3: Yeah, sort of. I mean, sometimes you know your own opinion.

496
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Speaker 4: You're always you know when you're when you're bookying or Betty,

497
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 4: and you know, your own opinion always comes into play

498
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 4: and the ability to hold you know, to take on

499
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Speaker 4: risk or you know that more you always say, well,

500
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 4: like I think that's you know, that's gonna win. And

501
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 4: the numbers off but mostly I mean mostly numbers based,

502
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 4: and you know, you have to be able to quantify

503
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 4: your edge and know you know, well, this is four percent,

504
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 4: this is three percent, this is you know, half percent whatever.

505
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 4: You know, it's a lot easier to know, you know

506
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 4: what you're dealing with as opposed to to you know,

507
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 4: just blindly fired and saying, oh, I have an edge,

508
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 4: like it's it's better to be able to quantify quantify

509
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 4: your edge. But but yeah, I mean there there are

510
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 4: situations like prop markets where I could just kind of

511
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 4: glance at them and you know, years of experience can

512
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 4: can help you, you know, get something that might take

513
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 4: somebody else slightly more time just you know, click click click,

514
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Speaker 4: I'm done.

515
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Speaker 3: You have been known to do that on occasion. But

516
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Speaker 3: you can't get sloppy.

517
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 4: If you get sloppy and lazy, you know, and start

518
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 4: taking and slightly worse numbers, your your performance will you know,

519
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 4: decay over time and uh, there are no margins for

520
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 4: airs when it comes to the gambling. Really, I mean,

521
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 4: you're very very thin margins all around. But what I

522
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 4: was saying about the batter verse picture staff is you

523
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 4: get people that come over from from Fantasy or from

524
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 4: DFS and they're like, oh, like, I'm gonna use batter

525
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 4: versus picture stats to determine this guy should be a

526
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Speaker 4: home run prop bet today.

527
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Speaker 3: You know, I just shake my head at stuff like.

528
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 4: That, like it's another it's just clueless people, you know,

529
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 4: kind of drawing, you know, conclusions from from noise and

530
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 4: it you can make money, like it's fun, but but

531
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 4: you're just you're throwing darts a lot of the time.

532
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 4: Especially the batteris picture stuff is huge red flag.

533
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Speaker 2: Now why is it such a red flag? What is

534
00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: it about batter versus pictures Specifically?

535
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Speaker 4: It's almost completely insignificant what somebody did and six.

536
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: At bats or ten at that. You know, when you

537
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 3: you're getting into to hire.

538
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 4: You know like, well this guy, you know, maybe like

539
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 4: Freddie Freeman versus and trying to think somebody Jacob to

540
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 4: Graham like they've played each other, you know, tens of times.

541
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter the sample size, it's so small relative.

542
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 4: It just you're drawing conclusions from stuff that you really

543
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 4: should should not be drawing those conclusions from. And you know,

544
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 4: like it's it's just a it's a bad way of

545
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 4: doing things, and it's a bad foundation to start thinking

546
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 4: like that.

547
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: That makes sense.

548
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: It's you're looking at a sample size that's maybe on

549
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: the high end, fifty or so data points, and that

550
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: is nowhere near enough of a sample size too.

551
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: Be it actually extrapolating something like this?

552
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, be really, man, you really shouldn't like thank it's crazy.

553
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,440
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Speaker 1: back to the show. You talk about investing in baseball cards.

578
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 1: Do you use that knowledge of the baseball card market

579
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: to impact your betting picks or vice versa? Do those

580
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: two roads intersect at all?

581
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 4: The gambling and the baseball cards do have some intersection. Mostly,

582
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 4: the reason I invest in baseball cards is is as

583
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 4: a derivative to futures markets, because a lot of times

584
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 4: you know you might have a guy who's a short

585
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 4: favorite in a Rookie of the Year market, but his

586
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: card is cheap, you know, or relatively cheap, and you

587
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 4: might have a guy like like Julio Rodriguez and Spencer

588
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 4: Torkosen and Bobby Witt. They're all real high. They're the

589
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 4: top three front runners for the AL Rookie of the Year.

590
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 4: Their cards are prohibitively expensive. So I sold a Julio

591
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 4: Rodriguez card for about three thousand dollars before the season,

592
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 4: and I use that money to invest in Julio Rodriguez's

593
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 4: Rookie of the Year future at like sixteen to one,

594
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 4: because I was basically assuming that that card didn't have

595
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 4: sixteen times.

596
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 3: The value in it.

597
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 4: If he if he's as good as I thought he

598
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 4: could be, and if he does win the Rookie of Year,

599
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 4: I could just buy that card back for you know,

600
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 4: a stupid amount of money if I really wanted it still.

601
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 4: But it's not going to go up sixteen times in value,

602
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 4: which is what I would get off the you know,

603
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 4: off the future. So sometimes you want to own the card,

604
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 4: and sometimes you want to sell the card and use

605
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 4: that money to make a pet. But I basically use

606
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 4: the baseball cards as a way to play around in

607
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 4: the futures market with exposure to guys for you know

608
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,239
Speaker 4: different It's basically reasons being that the futures market might

609
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 4: might have a different price, you know, than the value

610
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 4: of the card or vice versa.

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Speaker 2: That makes perfect sense.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can actually balance these markets against each other.

613
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: And the baseball card betting market is almost a little

614
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: bit like gambling. You're playing essentially a version of the

615
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: stock market. So why wouldn't you take that information and

616
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: transfer it over to the betting market. That makes perfect

617
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: sense to me.

618
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 4: The baseball card market, though, has a lot more sort

619
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 4: of barriers than betting. Like betting, you find a number,

620
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 4: you make a bet, you win or lose. Baseball cards

621
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 4: got a list it on eBay. eBay is gonna take

622
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 4: twelve percent. You want to get it.

623
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Speaker 3: Graded, that's you know, more money time.

624
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 4: There's a huge backlog with the PSA grading right now,

625
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 4: so you know, the cost a lot of times. The

626
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 4: profit margin in the baseball card is not nearly what

627
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 4: you think it's going to be, especially when you get

628
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 4: done with all the vee and everyone else taking their

629
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 4: their cuts in the process. So I mean, you really

630
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 4: got to hit it. You either got to really hit

631
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 4: it out of the park. You know, you're not looking

632
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 4: to buy like a five hundred dollars card and sell

633
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 4: for six hundred and seven hundred bucks. You're hoping to

634
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 4: buy a five hundred dollars card sell for you know,

635
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 4: two thousand and three thousand. You know, if you're not

636
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 4: thinking like that, you're probably not going to get great returns.

637
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: And you got to do the cards because you like them.

638
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 4: But for those with incredible amounts of disposable income, the

639
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 4: baseball cards and basketball card markets are incredibly.

640
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: That makes sense to me.

641
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: You've got to be looking for a higher ROI in

642
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: the baseball card market than you do in the betting market,

643
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: just because, like you said, of the time, energy, effort,

644
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: and extraneous costs that go into that.

645
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

646
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: Now, now I.

647
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Speaker 1: Want to ask you one more question here. I've got

648
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: a weird one for you. In the stock market, like

649
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: we just talked about, global issues can affect domestic stock prices,

650
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: but no one really thinks about how these same issues

651
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: like create efficiencies in the betting markets. Is there any

652
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: time that you found this to be the case in

653
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: the past where global events have actually helped create an

654
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: edge for gamblers that no one's really seen. Do you

655
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: see anything like that in the world today? Like does

656
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: even Russia Ukraine manage to have some kind of impact

657
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: in gambling.

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Speaker 4: There was a lot of stuff during COVID that kind

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Speaker 4: of had unusual you know, there's no precedent for the

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Speaker 4: sort of how do you handicap this?

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Speaker 3: He just kind of had to make some assumptions.

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Speaker 4: But I remember, like there was some Nicaragua and baseball

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Speaker 4: that I would watch and the guys were playing with

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Speaker 4: masks on, you know, on the field, and I was

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Speaker 4: just like, well, the team that's playing with the masks

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Speaker 4: is gonna play worse. I know very little about Nicaragua

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Speaker 4: and baseball, more than most, but still very little overall.

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Speaker 3: But like I know that the.

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Speaker 4: Shorts stop wearing a mask is you know, gonna just

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Speaker 4: it's like having like a restrictor played on a carburetor.

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Speaker 4: Like it's not fun to go out and play sports

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Speaker 4: in a mask. You know, it's not fun around you know,

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Speaker 4: you're just it's gonna impact your performance, especially if you've

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Speaker 4: never done it before. So like I knew to bet

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Speaker 4: against the team wearing the mask. Just it's stuff like that, like.

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Speaker 3: Or there'd be the Remember there.

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Speaker 4: Was a situation it was like Bolivia and soccer or something.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it was Eruguay, I don't remember what country it was.

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Speaker 4: It was definitely South America, where like the entire team

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Speaker 4: got COVID the day of the match and they had

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Speaker 4: to play you know, the like reserve side, the academy side,

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Speaker 4: and so the market was just you know, it was

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Speaker 4: just NonStop action on the other team, and like some

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Speaker 4: books pulled at, some books are just like whatever bet it.

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Speaker 4: So you get like random situations like that where entire

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Speaker 4: teams are being replaced by academy sides. I'm trying to think, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 4: so vaccines teams, teams would have like mass vaccine days

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Speaker 4: and you know, they'd all get get the vaccine at

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Speaker 4: the same time, and like they'd go out and play

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Speaker 4: like crap the next day.

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Speaker 3: This is an MLB.

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Speaker 4: Like a lot of there were pitchers who were missing

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Speaker 4: their next starts, you know, because just the vaccine took

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Speaker 4: a couple of days out of them. But like I

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00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 4: just kind of look on Twitter and oh, the Yankees

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00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 4: all got their vaccine today, let's back against them tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: And those mostly won. They weren't like one hundred percent,

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Speaker 4: but they they hit it a you know, quite a

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Speaker 4: quite a large clip.

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Speaker 3: There were NHL teams too.

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Speaker 4: I just knew, like, oh, look, this NHL team all

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Speaker 4: got their vaccine, Like they're not going to go around

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Speaker 4: and skate tomorrow night like they. I think the NHL

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Speaker 4: ones were close to one hundred percent. So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 4: if you're willing to kind of extrapolate some some news

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Speaker 4: and make some assumptions yourself, there's there's some good stuff.

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Speaker 4: But Russia Ukraine, there hasn't been anything, just because I

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Speaker 4: mean the markets, there's KHL, there's you know, there's there's

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Speaker 4: Russian and Ukrainean soccer.

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Speaker 3: I don't know anything about it, but in general, there

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Speaker 3: hasn't been many.

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Speaker 4: Exploitable that geopolitical betting angles with with the Russia Ukraine

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Speaker 4: stuff anything, I can't think of anything. There's a lot

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Speaker 4: of table tennis going on out of those countries. During

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Speaker 4: COVID that was crazy. People were betting a lot on

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Speaker 4: underground table tennis, but I haven't heard much about that lately.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately. Those were those are some interesting days.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that market was definitely the definition of

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Speaker 1: filling a need at a time, and maybe wasn't the

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Speaker 1: burgeoning future of sport.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was.

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Speaker 4: There were some crazy times when COVID, when everything was

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Speaker 4: shut down. There was Nicaraguan baseball, Nick groguen basketball. I

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Speaker 4: think Taiwan had some basketball, might have even been women's

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Speaker 4: basketball for a while.

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Speaker 3: Belarus was the center of the sports world and there was.

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Speaker 4: A table tennis, There was out locked golf, and people

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00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 4: were betting on game simulations like they plug in a PlayStation.

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Speaker 3: And it was some weird times, man Like, I don't

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Speaker 3: know what to tell you. Those are some dark days.

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Speaker 1: They trust me, You don't have to tell me twice

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Speaker 1: about that. I fully remember those days myself. I was

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Speaker 1: one of the people that plugged in their PlayStation, went

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Speaker 1: on Twitch and was just running Madden games. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: taking any action on them, but I was just doing

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Speaker 1: it to do some play by play stuff and just

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Speaker 1: occupy my time. I am very thankful that we had

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Speaker 1: done with the bulk of COVID at this point. Jason,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me today, my friend.

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Speaker 1: It was a pleasure talking to you. A gold mine

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Speaker 1: of information for new betters and experience better is alike,

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Speaker 1: things that maybe you don't realize that you're doing in

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Speaker 1: your betting habits that you can try and break in

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Speaker 1: better practices that you can be putting into place.

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Speaker 2: It was a fantastic conversation. I really appreciate it. Where

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Speaker 2: can people find you on social media and all the

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Speaker 2: awesome work you're doing.

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Speaker 4: You find me on Twitter at Spreadipedia, and then you

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Speaker 4: can find me on Vson usually on I'm on the

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Speaker 4: Numbers Game with Peel Alexander on Wednesday mornings, usually Wednesday

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Speaker 4: at eight am. I'm usually on a couple couple other

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Speaker 4: times throughout the week on different shows. And then I

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Speaker 4: have my own podcast, wide World of Winegarden, which comes

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Speaker 4: out almost daily on Visin and iHeartRadio and Spotify and

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Speaker 4: YouTube and.

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Speaker 3: Wherever you can get iHeartRadio podcasts.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm usually usually available one way or the

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Speaker 4: other in some form of media.

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Speaker 1: All right, well that is going to do it for

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Speaker 1: us here once again, Thank you so much, Jason. I

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Speaker 1: hope you have a great rest of your day and guys,

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Speaker 1: best of luck with anything you're betting this weekend. I

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Speaker 1: hope you have a lot of fun and you know,

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Speaker 1: let's catch those tickets