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Speaker 1: Good Mike, good eye Mite.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, welcome to my apartment.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Renice of Sennes podcasts, everybody out there.

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Speaker 3: Beautiful weather here in New York. How do you feel

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Speaker 3: about that?

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Speaker 2: I love it. I was in shorts all weekend after

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Speaker 2: a brief sojourn up to New England for a couple

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Speaker 2: of days. I got to play the Longwood Cricket Club.

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Speaker 2: My friend's tory, Katie Connie, we've had a grass court

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Speaker 2: doubles match. If you go up to the Longwood Cricket Club,

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Speaker 2: one of America's preeminent grass court tennis clubs outside of Boston, beautiful,

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Speaker 2: and you ask for Magnus, the Swedish guy who is

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Speaker 2: the head. Not Normal, not Norman, but Magnus.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: He will, if you're lucky, as he did for me,

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Speaker 2: take you behind the scenes to the oldest indoor tennis

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Speaker 2: court in America that Longwood has across the street from

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Speaker 2: the beautiful grass courts, and he'll show you the shrine

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Speaker 2: he built to Vetus Carolinas. He built a shrine to

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Speaker 2: this guy. Wow, I mean that's he's kind of even Lithuanian.

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Speaker 2: He's just into it. He has QR codes, he bought

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Speaker 2: old magazines off of eBay we could read them, designed

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Speaker 2: a special jacket that a lot of the members were in.

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Speaker 2: Vitas Caroletitis Tribute. I'm going to send him a painting. Wow,

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Speaker 2: Wonderfuary Carolina knows that if she doesn't, we'll connect them.

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Speaker 2: We'll have to shed them to go because she probably

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Speaker 2: has some you know, childhood together and in Queens, New York,

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Speaker 2: she probably has some Vetus artifacts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Probably.

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Speaker 2: It was amazing. He was like, hey, you I remember

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Speaker 2: you from when you came up last time. Can I

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Speaker 2: show you something? And I was like, were you.

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Speaker 1: Like, where are we going? No? Were you slightly worried?

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Speaker 2: Nah? No, he had just had two hips replaced. He

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Speaker 2: felt like murdered I would be able to win a race.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It was so nice. It was really lovely. And then

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Speaker 2: I went up to the USTA's New England section in

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Speaker 3: Just so everybody knows, Caitlin plays more tennis than I

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Speaker 3: have played.

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Speaker 1: In five years.

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Speaker 3: All right, now, for sure, you one hundred percent have

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Speaker 3: played more tennis in the last seven months, eight months,

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Speaker 2: You're probably right, and listen for me. Sure, occasionally I'll

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Speaker 2: it's the friends we make along the way, true, you know.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, all right, well, let's get into the tennis because

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Speaker 3: it's been it's been so interesting this week.

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Speaker 1: It's for so many reasons.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the friends we're making along the way, it

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Speaker 1: How many times have we talked about this through the years.

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Speaker 2: This is a The tennis season is too last, is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the only people that are really invested

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Speaker 1: That's great. It's an enormous amount of money, right.

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Speaker 2: If they get in, it's a huge bonus. And obviously

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Speaker 2: So they really just it is a profoundly, profoundly difficult

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and also, look, you have to understand once the

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Speaker 3: But you know, I'm putting in all the work I have,

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Speaker 2: I've been pushing so hard for so long. Yes, he

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Speaker 1: But that's that's exactly what I told.

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Speaker 2: What you're saying, you know, And I don't think he's

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Speaker 2: But it is, you know, he needs a mini break

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Speaker 1: I think these players should learn something from Serena Williams.

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Speaker 3: She would shut her season down the last like five

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Speaker 3: It didn't even play the WTA finals. Now I'm not

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Speaker 1: That's the whole point of them.

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Speaker 3: They're the biggest tournaments outside of the of the majors.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that actually the players think that they

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Speaker 3: Listen, I made many, many, many, many many WTAF finals

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Speaker 1: And you know, it does feel good to be there.

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Speaker 2: It does feel good to be You just ask you

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Speaker 3: I'm not as playing doubles. It wasn't as taxing and physically.

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Speaker 2: And listen, no, she had to doubles that are My

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Speaker 3: I think that once it left Madison Square Garden it

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Speaker 3: I think it should find a permanent home somewhere in

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Speaker 1: That's the stop, I guess the point. I mean, we

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Speaker 2: Or whatever in Mexican and then it was yeah, it

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Speaker 2: that it should be someplace at least with consistency.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know how long read has it.

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Speaker 2: I think for a couple more years, but more just

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Speaker 1: Who cares?

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Speaker 2: way she did, especially after.

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Speaker 3: You know, learned she has told me that she would

439
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Speaker 3: do the pod, so hopefully we can get her on here.

440
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 3: Let's you know, all our listeners please tag Amanda and

441
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,320
Speaker 3: say please Amanda. She was a little busy last week,

442
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,639
Speaker 3: but and the time change is such a nightmare. But

443
00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,880
Speaker 3: I'm dying to just ask her. I have so many

444
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,920
Speaker 3: questions I want to talk to her about and ask her.

445
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,479
Speaker 3: And you know, we are friends, so it's you know,

446
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 3: I'm so happy for her after what she's gone through

447
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 3: with you know, losing her father to you know, having

448
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,560
Speaker 3: a mental break away from tennis for eight months and

449
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,159
Speaker 3: nine months or whatever it was, and you know, a

450
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 3: young kid to make that decision, and it's the same

451
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 3: when Ash Party made that decision, like they made those decisions.

452
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Speaker 1: Based on how they felt.

453
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 3: That's true, and that to me is such a great

454
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 3: lesson for young players out there that are struggling. You know,

455
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 3: Coco is a player that fights through.

456
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 1: It emotionally and mentally and all the things.

457
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,679
Speaker 3: And I have so much respect for Cocoke because she

458
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 3: puts herself on the line. Like people have no idea

459
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,920
Speaker 3: how hard it is to go out there and have

460
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 3: to you are exposed. It's like, I'm sure everyone's had

461
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 3: a dream where they've been naked, like walking down a

462
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Speaker 3: hallway or something that like can't get back into their

463
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Speaker 3: house or something. I don't know, I've had those dreams

464
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 3: and you're just like, ah, what would you do.

465
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Speaker 1: I feel like Coco.

466
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Speaker 3: Goes out into like Arthur ash Stadium, and we saw,

467
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 3: we saw it when she broke down, Like imagine having

468
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,879
Speaker 3: to go out there. You feel like you're literally niked

469
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 3: every time and you're like, can someone just give me

470
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 3: some clothes?

471
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Speaker 2: The vulnerability is profound. I also want to say to

472
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Speaker 2: your point about the courage to walk away. You know

473
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 2: you might think, oh, well, these guys have a lot

474
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,239
Speaker 2: of money. They have success if they want to take

475
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,199
Speaker 2: a break, like, it's not like they're going to. But

476
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Speaker 2: I will say, like a lot of the things that

477
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 2: I've learned that go on behind the scenes with agents

478
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 2: and brand responsibilities, like they are not trying to let

479
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,680
Speaker 2: you off any hooks, like your time is the.

480
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 1: Agents only make money when you're making money.

481
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 2: You have to have a firm sense of self to

482
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Speaker 2: be able to say, actually, no, that's not good for me.

483
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,919
Speaker 2: And hopefully you know, you work with people who will

484
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 2: listen and respect you. But a lot of the players

485
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 2: are kind of I think, especially if they're not as successful,

486
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 2: like they really do, get kind of pushed around by

487
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 2: by the people on their teams who only make money

488
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 2: if they make money. And so it is an active

489
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 2: courage a lot of times to have, just as you're saying,

490
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 2: it's an active courage to go out when you're maybe

491
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Speaker 2: feeling exposed the way that Coco has, you know, with

492
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 2: the pressure that's on her. I think it's also very

493
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 2: courageous to be able to be like, I know myself,

494
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 2: I know the flak I'm going to get from my

495
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 2: brand and my agent and my team, and they're not going.

496
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Speaker 1: To like this.

497
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Speaker 2: But I need to do it and I need it,

498
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 2: and I.

499
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Speaker 3: Think, you know, I remember when Ashbarty told me she

500
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 3: was stopping. It was at this it was literally at Wimbledon.

501
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 3: I believe she just made the finals of doubles. She

502
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 3: was like seventeen. She'd made like four doubles finals in

503
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 3: a major, which was incredible at that age. Maybe she

504
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 3: was eighteen at this point, maybe nineteen. Whenever she stopped

505
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,439
Speaker 3: the first time, you guys can google it, but but

506
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Speaker 3: I remember her telling me, Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna,

507
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 3: I'm stopping.

508
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 1: I was like, what.

509
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 3: I don't remember the words, whether it's I'm quitting or

510
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 3: I'm stopping or I'm retiring or.

511
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm going away. And I was like what.

512
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Speaker 3: Like she had made probably like six hundred and seven

513
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars that year, and I remember thinking, what, like,

514
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 3: you're just starting to make money and like getting yourself

515
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 3: going in your career, Like why would you stop right now?

516
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: Like what?

517
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it, But you know what, she took

518
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 3: two years away or whatever it was that she took

519
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 3: away from the sport and came back and dominated when

520
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 3: she was playing, And I'm like the courage to do that,

521
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 3: to walk away, and the courage for Amanda to walk away.

522
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 3: I don't think people understand when someone does that, they

523
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 3: need that.

524
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Speaker 1: I mean, that is a huge.

525
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 3: Call for someone at that age making that money, as

526
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Speaker 3: you said, to say, yeah, I'm going to walk away,

527
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,719
Speaker 3: because at eighteen nineteen you might think, oh, I can

528
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 3: come back and make that money. But there's no guarantees.

529
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 3: There's no guarantees that you're going to be healthy. Sure,

530
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 3: there's no guarantees that this sport is not going to change.

531
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Speaker 2: And how many Grand Slam champions who've stepped away from

532
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: the game only to come back and be like, you

533
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: know what, I'm going to come back. It's a little harder, yeah,

534
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 2: the second.

535
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: It's a little hard.

536
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think the time to do it is

537
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 3: when you're young and you're struggling, clearly, But listen on Amanda.

538
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 3: Just Wow, what an amazing run she's had. She's now

539
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 3: made her first WTA finals, which is awesome, and I

540
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 3: believe it's her first year, and I just I'm just

541
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Speaker 3: I'm like a mum, I'm like so proud of her

542
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 3: for going through what she's gone through. And she's just

543
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 3: a great kid and we'll command of the part, Amanda

544
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 3: and come onto the pod. And and also can I say,

545
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 3: after losing that Love and Love final at Wimbledon, like

546
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 3: to come back and bounce back the way she has

547
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 3: Kudo's man.

548
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: So if somebody else kind of only up to wing

549
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: you wanted to mention, we've we've talked a little bit

550
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: about Daniel medvedev crisis. I do, and now maybe the

551
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 2: crisis is beginning to pass.

552
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: Listen.

553
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 3: I don't think anything where Daniel Medvedev has passed. I

554
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: think it's just in that little box over there, that

555
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,719
Speaker 3: little Pandora's box. It just sort of sits over there

556
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 3: in the corner. It's like like you know those things

557
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 3: where you wind up and the.

558
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: Clown comes out. And he was like, no, no, put

559
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: it back.

560
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: In the box.

561
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Speaker 3: But I think with him, we've gotten to a point

562
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Speaker 3: that he's finally changed coaches.

563
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Speaker 1: And again nothing against this old.

564
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: Coach danil finally changes coaches and nothing against his old coach,

565
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 3: but I think that he needed a change.

566
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: And I've said this about other.

567
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,479
Speaker 2: People and they said it, both of them.

568
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he needed a change.

569
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 3: And Thomas Johansen is Swedish, very fun guy, but very

570
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 3: serious guy in a lot of ways as well. So

571
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 3: he is like the perfect combination. I think for dinner,

572
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 3: he's not gonna listen to and carry on and you know,

573
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 3: gibber jabber around. He's going to get to a point

574
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 3: and he's going to move on and he's going to

575
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 3: work hard. And Thomas is such a such a great

576
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 3: player himself and won the Australian Open, and he knows

577
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 3: how to do it and he knows what it takes.

578
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 3: And I think he was a perfect, perfect coach for

579
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 3: him to have. And Thomas has coached a lot of

580
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 3: really good players in his coaching career and has done

581
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 3: really good things the players that he's worked with, so

582
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 3: I think this was a perfect, perfect, perfect coaching situation

583
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 3: for him to have. And you kind of see it

584
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: in the way he's playing. He's just a little bit

585
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 3: more aggressive. It looks like he's moving better, and you

586
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 3: know he's serving better, and you know, his fight today

587
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: was exceptional. I mean he hit this one running fourhand

588
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 3: down the line in the second set tiebreak, so basically

589
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 3: sort of help him win the match, and I'm happy

590
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 3: for him. We need Danil Madvedev to be doing well

591
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 3: because he's such a character and he's such a great player,

592
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 3: and I just love the guy. I've got a soft

593
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 3: spot for him, and I just I want him to

594
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 3: come back and do better. And I think he's got

595
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 3: some demons. I think losing that match to Rafi on

596
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 3: Nadal out two sets to love at the estray and

597
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 3: open still must just eat at his like, you know,

598
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 3: what do you say, crawl like just something in his craw.

599
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 3: And I think he's lost some tough matches over the

600
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 3: last couple years, and I think that one to Rafa

601
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 3: still is like.

602
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: I think to your point, the for me, the you know, look,

603
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: we're talking about men's town of specifically, we love Center,

604
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: we love Alcarez. Maybe on certain days we love one

605
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 2: of them more than the other or love their outfit.

606
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: But they're great, they're great of the game. They're good.

607
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: But it can't just be them. It cannot be just them.

608
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: And I think when we want to reduce I got

609
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: annoyed when we used to do this with you know,

610
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: Rafa and Roger. I got annoyed when it became Rafa

611
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 2: and Nole, Like I don't like boring, repetitive storylines. And yes,

612
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: even though there's so many more matches that are going

613
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 2: to be amazing and magical between those two guys. The

614
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: tour is better when you have all of this soup

615
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: of interesting people. That's why the women's so soet and

616
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 2: that's why the women to me have largely been interesting.

617
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 2: But if it ever got to a place where it

618
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: was just you know, one or two names, like it

619
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: gets a little bit boring, like, well, who's going to

620
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: play Steffi Graff in the final? Like I don't know

621
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: who's Like then all of a sudden, Monica Slis, You're

622
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: like whoa, Okay, whoa? And Roger and gabarteah, Like it

623
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: gets more interesting than more names. And so I'm going

624
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: to use this the.

625
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: Nice way of tennis and two thousands.

626
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: Of unbelievable I mean early two thousands. It's like, yeah, murderers,

627
00:27:54,000 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: wrote Jenny caperraty ingus like absolute you know, rusas rockstars.

628
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: What I loved about the announcement that accompanied guyel Montfeese's

629
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: decision to play his last on tour was that the

630
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: Three Musketeers, the other Frenchmen that he grew up playing with,

631
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,239
Speaker 2: made a wonderful tribute to him. And of course this

632
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 2: included my personal favorite Joe Wilfrid Sanga, who was found

633
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: on a golf course learning the news and decided he

634
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: was going to get back in the action. There was

635
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 2: a shout of Reshard Gasque watching TV and finding out

636
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 2: the announcement that Gayle montfies and they sort of hinted

637
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: at the fact that on Guyle Montfeese's last year on tour,

638
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: they would be part of the celebration. And I think

639
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: there's something really wonderful about that. Yes, of course it

640
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: helps if you're French and you know the fact that

641
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: these guys were vaunted is going to be the next

642
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: sort of generation of French stars, none of whom ended

643
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: up winning a Slam, although Joe Wilfrid came closest in

644
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,239
Speaker 2: the Australian Open what was that like two thousand and

645
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: eight nine, But just this idea that this was a cohort,

646
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: these guys came up together. They're going to see their

647
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: most fun, most personality driven and one of the most

648
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: beloved players on tour and on feast. Obviously he's Mary Delenispelino,

649
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: so maybe he'll stick around the tour while she's still playing.

650
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: But they're going to send him off in proper style,

651
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: because these more than their wins and losses, these are

652
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: people who kind of shared something. Yeah, and I think

653
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 2: for me that uh, that outpouring of love that accompanied

654
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: guy on Monfis's announcement is exciting for those of us

655
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: who want to see him one play one more time,

656
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: or go deep one more time, or do a three

657
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: sixty overhead unnecessarily one more time, or twenty more times

658
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: if that's the particular shot. But just this idea that

659
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: like this sport is really only as good as the group.

660
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: That comes up.

661
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: It's not just about one name.

662
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, I mean, you know, mini rivalries and

663
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: rivalries are great. Speaking of rivalries, we did talk about

664
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: Medvedev and Verev, that Medvedev was losing to the janitors,

665
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: but then well looky here, mister alex Zverev made some

666
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 3: headlines this week after his comments about he feels like

667
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 3: the town directors are keeping the court slow because it's

668
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: better for Carlos and Yannick. Now, I have so many

669
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: things to say about this, as you can imagine, Katelin,

670
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 3: because we texted each other immediately, I may this happened,

671
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 3: but we want to start by saying that we think

672
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: that this also came from a rog Actually, yes, Roger,

673
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: let's let's tell people that who didn't see this correct,

674
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: so we have always started.

675
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 4: Don't worry, we will get to alex Verev and all

676
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 4: of that. Alex peak, alex Verev like all of this

677
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 4: because it is but you know, credit where it's due

678
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 4: or not doing this case is Roger Federer, when he

679
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 4: was the Labor Cup was asked about court speeds and

680
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 4: decided to make kind of a big statement and a

681
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 4: bit of a conspiracy theory and that those aren't my words,

682
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 4: those are actually the words that you can find in

683
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 4: today's Athletic talking about how he was the one who

684
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 4: thought maybe there was some fiddling.

685
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: Around with court speeds. Now, this kind of read a

686
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: little bit to me as like kind of some Sarah grapes.

687
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: To be honest, I'm not you know, look, Io belove it.

688
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: We all love his game, blah blah.

689
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: Blah, like whatever, it's fine. I have two sides to this.

690
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: But it did feel like, oh, okay, that's a little

691
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: like I like when it gets a little caddy, and

692
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: it felt kind of a little bit caddy.

693
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said it.

694
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: Maybe it's true, maybe it's not. I don't think it is.

695
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 3: So he started by saying that he feels like the

696
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 3: courts are getting very homogenized, right, which is true, Which

697
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: is true a lot.

698
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: I've talked about this lit The grass has gotten.

699
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: Slower, Wimbledon has changed a tremendous amount. Okay, I can

700
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 3: tell you that for us the track you've won still

701
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: play on. It's a completely different court. And everybody that

702
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 3: played twenty thirty years ago, every time they hit it,

703
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 3: it's like, oh my god, it's like a hard court.

704
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: Now it's ridiculous. Okay, So that is a fact.

705
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: Now, is that better or west of the matches the

706
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 3: tournament argue a little bit of both. It's it does

707
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: become great entertaining points and et cetera. Back in the

708
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: eighties early nineties, it was big service, and that's part

709
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 3: of the issue. And I think why they decided to

710
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: change it. They started freaking out because iveness Imitch and

711
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 3: Pete Sampras and you know, Richard and Richard Kreiche, all

712
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: these big service and they felt like it was getting

713
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 3: homogenized and boring because it.

714
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: Was big service. Right, So now everybody's a big server.

715
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: So the difference is they.

716
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: All play really well from the back of the court,

717
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: but they've lost that ability to move forward. And the

718
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 3: ones that do really well are the ones that do

719
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 3: they still forward. So I think that tennis has just

720
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: gotten much better. I think players are so much better

721
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 3: off from the back of the court. I think that

722
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: they've realized that, yes, the courts are getting slower, and

723
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: they need to be really good from the back of

724
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 3: the court. But I would argue that players that do

725
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: come into the net and are very good at the

726
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: net actually the difference makers in the way you win

727
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 3: these match. Knows he has to come in. Of course,

728
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: Carlos knows he has to be able to come in.

729
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: These guys they have the drop shot. They're trying to

730
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: change the way that they play to get points. And

731
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: we've seen a lot this week in Shanghai where the

732
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 3: drop shot has really been effective because the court is

733
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 3: quite slow, so it's kind of playing almost like a

734
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: clay court where guys are so far behind the court

735
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 3: that you just go book and you hit that drop

736
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: shot round. It does really well. That's what Rinda Kinesh

737
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: did against Sarah really really well to beat him today

738
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 3: or yesterday. But the thing that I do agree with

739
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: Roger in one sense, I and you, You and I

740
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 3: have talked about we would like to see courts are

741
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: a bit faster. At the end of the year, it

742
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: was usually indoors, supreme fast as right, and that supported

743
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 3: people that played attacking tennis and came in. Now I

744
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 3: would like to see that come back. And I don't

745
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: disagree with Alex on that, and I don't disagree.

746
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: With on Roger.

747
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 3: But here's my butt because she knew it was coming.

748
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: Is z vera fucking joking he of our people if

749
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: he thinks that they're doing it to help Carlos and Yannick.

750
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: Here's a good example. He's tray and Open played medium

751
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 3: this year. Whatever Yannick quincid Okay, Zverev gets smoked in

752
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: the final. Okay, Then Wimbledon rolls, the French Open rolls around.

753
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 3: Same has been the same for one hundred years. Guess

754
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 3: who wins it? Carlos match points to Cinner, both of

755
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 3: them in the final. Zverev, where were you, Wimbledon? It's grass?

756
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: You know who wins it?

757
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: Yar Nick Sinner? It's grass? Okay, is it slower, sure,

758
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: but it's still grass. And then this us open, which

759
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: is notoriously medium to fast. Who wins it, Carlos Achariz.

760
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: It's like, dude, these guys went on every surface. If

761
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: you put them indoors, on a slow court, on a

762
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 3: molasses court, on a goddamn ice rink, they're going to win.

763
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: They're the guys that are going to win. You know

764
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 3: why because they can adapt. Because both of them can

765
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 3: flatten out the ball. Both of them serve unbelievable, both

766
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 3: of them can come into the net, both of them

767
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 3: can slice. Both of them have perfect foehands, perfect back ends,

768
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 3: with no weakness. They don't have a weakness. Carlos doesn't

769
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: have a funky fourhand. Who has a funky fourhandv So

770
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 3: it's like, dude, you should appreciate the fact that it's

771
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 3: a slow court on top of it it he loses

772
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: to Rinder Kanish and you're not. Rinder Kanesh is no

773
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 3: for serving and volleying and coming into the net. Now

774
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 3: he doesn't serve volley all the time, but he comes

775
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: in a lot. This is a guy that tacks the

776
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: net a lot and has a little bit of a

777
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: dodgy forehands. Okay, so we're talking dodgy fourhand on dodgy

778
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: four hen who won rinderkanessh you know why he had

779
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: more variety. He chipped the forehand, he chipped the drop shots,

780
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 3: he chipped his back end, he came into the net,

781
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 3: he served in volley from time to time. Dude, he

782
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: had more variety than you. And the court is yes,

783
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 3: it's slow, clearly, but he.

784
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: Utilized all the tricks in the bag to beat you.

785
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 3: And you you fucked up. You came in on the

786
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 3: wrong approach, shots, you your forehand went south when it

787
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: mattered you. Like what stop making excuses?

788
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: Well that's actually what it is, right, yes, Like so

789
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: Federer starts this whole thing where yes, the courts have

790
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: gotten slower.

791
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 3: And Roger Federer won every on every.

792
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: Sur every surface, and his whole like hinting at a conspiracy,

793
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 2: like is this help Carlos and Yannick lol Zverev. Where

794
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: this gets so hilarious is Ale sparaff notoriously really over

795
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: I think, And he's somebody who uh his best services

796
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: play and when the match gets tight, this guy is

797
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: hitting like eighty mile an hour serves, which on the

798
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: pro tour is laughably slow.

799
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: So for me, and he's just seeing full hunts under pressure.

800
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: Well there you said it so a lot of times

801
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 2: and and you know you and I read John Warthimes

802
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: column which is great and Sports illustrated. It's like one

803
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 2: of the last good like kind of regularly occurring columns

804
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: that are not on sub sack. But he talks about

805
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: and a lot of One of the themes that comes

806
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 2: up a lot is alex Pairv is like the greatest

807
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: player not to win a Slam. And I think from

808
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: a technical standpoint or from a disagree with that, from

809
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: a like he's wracked up other titles and so he's

810
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: been in position kind of standpoint maybe. But I think

811
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 2: one thing that is never acknowledged, which is the major

812
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: problem with alex Verev, which is present here, is and

813
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 2: he's a coward. He plays like a coward. He can't

814
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: muster the right attacking strategy because he doesn't have guts.

815
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 2: He has no guts. And it doesn't matter even if

816
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: he fixed his dodgy forehand, even if he started hitting

817
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: a serve more than eighty miles an hour the second

818
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: the points get tight, I don't believe it he has

819
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 2: it in him. I don't think he has the guts

820
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: to play tennis aggressively enough when it matters against the players,

821
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: when it matters when you talk about you know, Alcaraz's cohones,

822
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 2: Corrasson and Cavesa. He's missing at least two of those.

823
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 2: And let me say, I don't know how you coach

824
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: that into alex feraff so him the irony if he

825
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: him talking about how yet this is another excuse as

826
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: to why he alex Verev couldn't get past and he

827
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: loses to render connection. It's like, have several.

828
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: Seats there, several seats.

829
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 3: It just makes me love. It's like he digs himself

830
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: into such holes. It's like, dude, you have if I

831
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 3: was coaching him or and I don't know if they

832
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: do this or say this, but I'll be like, we

833
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 3: need to have a talk. You need to stop saying

834
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: things publicly, you know, like he's like I'm going to

835
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 3: win the French or whatever it was, and it's like, oh,

836
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: you know, now he's bitching about the court surfaces.

837
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: It's like, do better be better?

838
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: There's no ownership, which is that's what I'm relating to.

839
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: The cowardice like he But it's the same as everything

840
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: is an excuse. Nothing is a sense of ownership. I

841
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: didn't play well. I executed the wrong strategy. I didn't

842
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: come in, I went faced with points, chose to hit

843
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 2: it back to the middle and hit serves under eighty

844
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: miles an hour because I was scared.

845
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: Of missing them.

846
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: It's like, no put out to the metal bro, Like, yeah,

847
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: you're six foot seven. Why you're not serving one hundred

848
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: and twenty miles an hour as a second serve is

849
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: honestly baffling. And the second thing is like, technically you're

850
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: you're fit as a fiddle most of the time, Like

851
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: there's no excuse. It's between your ears and your heart.

852
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: And and it's also a technique base.

853
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: His forehand is a little funky and there's a certain things,

854
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 3: so you need to go and fix that. It's sort

855
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: of like it's it's We talked about it with Sablenka

856
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 3: when she lost the French Open, right and she went

857
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 3: in and did that debacle in the postmatch interview and

858
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 3: on the court, and you know said that, you know,

859
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 3: she played terrible and you know, basically Coco, you know.

860
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: Got lucky kind of thing.

861
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 3: She didn't play well, and I'm like, oh my god,

862
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 3: you are not actualized as a tennis player, and I

863
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 3: give her so much credit because she took that on

864
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 3: the chain. She did it and really changed that at

865
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: the US Open in particular, because she didn't handle it

866
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 3: well at Wemblin either, but she was You're not actualized

867
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: as a tennis player when you can't recognize why you

868
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: are losing, right, So she loses and we talked.

869
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: We've talked about this a lot. She loses to Coco

870
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: in big matches.

871
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: On the biggest stages like the US Open final and

872
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: like the French Open, because Coco runs her ball down

873
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 3: and gets it back in the court and makes it

874
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 3: uncomfortable and a little ugly. Sometimes chips aforehand, hits the

875
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 3: high look beforehand hasn't one of the best back ends

876
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 3: in the world comes into the net.

877
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: She's such a good athlete.

878
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 3: She makes Sablanca play one more ball that's right and

879
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 3: under pressure, just like Zverev in the biggest of moments

880
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 3: at the finals of a major, you have got to

881
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: have courage and you've got to go for it, something

882
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 3: Madison Keys did's so well at this stray and Open

883
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: this year. You've got to be the one that makes

884
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: it happen because when you play somebody in the final,

885
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: they're playing as well as you, if not better, that's right.

886
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: So if you expect them to just go away.

887
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: To give it to you, no, And so the dom

888
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: played not to lose, which is how he pleas the

889
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 2: minute things get taded and Sablanca's credit when she started

890
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: doing that as a pattern, she went to the drawing

891
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 2: board and got herself back in that alpha.

892
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: Rale well and more so even more so at the

893
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: US Open. She was on the verge of losing her shit.

894
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: In that second set, she was teetering. Okay, because Amanda

895
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 3: started playing a little bit better. The crowd, we're getting

896
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: into it, and she knew, if I lose my shit

897
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 3: like I've done here before and like I did at

898
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 3: Wimbledon and like I did at the French I'm not

899
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 3: going to win this match.

900
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: That's right, and it must it was.

901
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 3: I would venture to say, I'm not in her head,

902
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: but the hardest fucking like twenty minutes of her life

903
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: of hanging on to her own self and her own

904
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: shit to not lose it. And she talked about it

905
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 3: after the match, and I'm like.

906
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: Damn it. That's called learning.

907
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 3: That's why you have won how many Grand slams now

908
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 3: and zvered I, on the other hand, walks off.

909
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: The court and goes, oh, you know, these are the

910
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: reasons why?

911
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: What were your reasons to lose?

912
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: The Rindan kinnest today.

913
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 3: You didn't have as much variety, You weren't as aggressive

914
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: as him all the things. And he had the courage

915
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 3: to do the right thing under.

916
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: The patter words that are coming up, courage versus cowardice.

917
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and being actualized as a person and as a player.

918
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 3: And that's why as a coach is going circling back

919
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: to as a coach, you go, what do you want

920
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: to do? Do you want to be better? Because if

921
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: you do, you've got to shut your mouth. You've got

922
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 3: to actually look at the reasons why you're losing. And

923
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: that's the things you have to change. Don't worry about

924
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 3: bitching about Carlos and Zverev, Carlos and Yanik getting preference

925
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 3: treatment on court surfaces.

926
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: When dude, they win on every court.

927
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: Surface, a court surface he went on going to be

928
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 2: on it, So tell you on up to did.

929
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: You hear Rafael and Nadal bitch about you know the

930
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 3: fact that he couldn't win the US Open because it

931
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 3: was so much faster than the French of.

932
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 2: Course, or when he beat it, when he beat Roger

933
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: Federer at Wimbledon, when it was still fast. You know,

934
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: he was doing his game.

935
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: You know, he changed his.

936
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 3: Strategy, started flattening out straight, started flattening out his foot,

937
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 3: He started standing up on the baseline, like go watch

938
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: him the first time he played Wimbledon comparative to the

939
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 3: time that he actually won it, and see the difference.

940
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: That is an actualized player, that is a great coaching

941
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 3: unit that says, if you want to win Wimbledon, so

942
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 3: this is what you have to do, and he said.

943
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: Can get it.

944
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: And look at Igo Jantek, same thing.

945
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: She didn't think she could even win or even do

946
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 3: well at Wimbledon. I'm like, well, what did you do

947
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: to change that foot thinking? And that's the difference between

948
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: the greats and the wanna be greats. One of my

949
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 3: favorite that was about how you are feeling out there

950
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: because I'm feeling a little fight up.

951
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 2: There's a I'm gonna end on this because it's one

952
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 2: of the hardest things I've ever heard an athlete say.

953
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: When he was asked about Nick curious, have you talked

954
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: about this on the podcast, so I don't know. It's

955
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: Rafa Google it Rufa is getting interviewed in a press

956
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: room by a British reporter and they're like, oh, you know,

957
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: if Nick Curious was healthy and if he had a

958
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 2: coach and if he played really well, like do you

959
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: think he could be? Like if one of if if

960
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: if if if doesn't exist? Exactly, Mic Drob, Mic drop

961
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: if doesn't exist.

962
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't, if doesn't exist.

963
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 3: And I talk about this a lot if I ever

964
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 3: do a Ted talk, I'm always about you know, actions

965
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 3: obviously speak bloud in the words, but.

966
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: It's like I always talk about the two.

967
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 3: Forks in a road, and the road you often take

968
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: is the road that's the easiest because it's you're.

969
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: Familiar with it. So his familiarity is making excuses.

970
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: Or even today when he lost the first set, he

971
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 3: won the first set against Rinderkindish, he won the set

972
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 3: and he walked to the chair to Kothavon who was

973
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 3: in the chair and bitched about the Rolex sign behind.

974
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: The court was too white. Now that could be true, Caitlin,

975
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: It could be a little bit.

976
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: And I I've actually played in courts where it's like,

977
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 3: I can't really see the ball.

978
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: You just won the first set.

979
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 3: Why are you even worrying or thinking about that? Just

980
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 3: maybe get on with it, win the match, and then

981
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: say after the match, by the way, can we look

982
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: at the led screens?

983
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: Yeah?

984
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 3: That why it is a little you know, can we

985
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: change it or.

986
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: On court in between sets?

987
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 3: After he won the first set. So's he's already pre

988
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: emptying an excuse, right.

989
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 2: And I'm sure whatever it is about the people around

990
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: him and his family family, some coaches didn't stick around

991
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: long to coach him and have sort of publicly talked

992
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 2: about it. Whoever's in his corner, who's not saying, hey,

993
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: why are you carrying on like a pork chap? I

994
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 2: don't want to hear you speaking about ifs after the

995
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: match head down? But the eyes for tell you?

996
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: Why work his family coaching?

997
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 4: Yeah?

998
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: His dad now his dad is a tennis coach. His

999
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 3: mom's tennis coach. Like they know what they're talking about.

1000
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: They're not so clearly.

1001
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: His game is great, he's been a top time.

1002
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: And his brother was a great player.

1003
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 3: Like they've done an amazing job, but at some point

1004
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: they're not going to be the ones that really lay

1005
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 3: it down to you because you're also paying their bills.

1006
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: That's right, and also to be fair, when he has

1007
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: had an outside voice in the mix, it hasn't lasted long, probably,

1008
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: I'm guessing because they said some things that he didn't

1009
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 2: want to hear. So maybe Alex Fair of the choice

1010
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: is yours. You can keep talking about if, if, if,

1011
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: or you can get to work.

1012
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: I know the name of this podcast.

1013
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 3: I've already and usually you come up with the podcast

1014
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 3: names because you're a little bit more.

1015
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 2: I beat you to it. I thought of it ten minutes.

1016
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 3: But if if it's the great it's like practice.

1017
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: Are we talking about practice?

1018
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: It's like that is the greatest one in basketball history

1019
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 3: and in tennis it's if if, if you finish. My

1020
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 3: point is you pick a road. You pick the easy

1021
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 3: one because it's familiar. Yeah, you don't go the one

1022
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 3: road that's not familiar because you don't know what the

1023
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 3: outcome may be. And if you do it, you do

1024
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: the right thing, like all the right things. Like if

1025
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 3: he doesn't make excuses and he works on his forehand.

1026
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 2: He doesn't know.

1027
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 3: If you don't win, then you're like, oh my god,

1028
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 3: I'm just not good enough. I argue and say yeah,

1029
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 3: but in twenty years time, when you look back, you

1030
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 3: can say, oh, I went that hard way, so.

1031
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: Therefore left no stone and turn.

1032
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: So therefore my best was two in the world making

1033
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: the finals of a Grand Slam. And guess what, that's

1034
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: all good. That's there's nothing wrong with that.

1035
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: That's not no, it's great. That's your that is your

1036
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 3: maximum capacity.

1037
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: It's great.

1038
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 2: It's not the greatest, but it's still great.

1039
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: But do you think anyone's looking at David Fair and

1040
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 3: being like, loser, what a loser?

1041
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: Never won a Slam, didn't do it?

1042
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: No, that guy absolutely maximized. He's maximized his best.

1043
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: By the way, you want to know how much I'm

1044
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: a pretty big David vid for air fan. When you

1045
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 2: see that guy, he's tiny, he is handsome, he is smiling, yis.

1046
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: He's surrounded by very attractive yis. He's doing finn His

1047
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: conscience is clear. You want to know why, because he

1048
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: left it all, left it all on the court. He

1049
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 2: did his absolute best and he's living a great lefe Yeah,

1050
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: in his lean, moisturize, nourished.

1051
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no he's like, let me added the w NBA.

1052
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 3: No Kelsey Mitchell game one, literally could not finish the game,

1053
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 3: had to be carried off the court, and later found

1054
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 3: out that she basically was cramping so bad in her

1055
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: whole body that she couldn't feel the legs and they

1056
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 3: had to like carry off the court. And she said, well,

1057
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 3: the one thing I'll know is that I can actually

1058
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 3: say I left it all on the court, and that

1059
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 3: is something that as an athlete and as a professional,

1060
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: I need you to feel that you need that, and

1061
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 3: I one regret I have is that I didn't do

1062
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 3: it a little earlier, right, that I didn't go my

1063
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: p's and q's and control my you know, my emotions

1064
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 3: on the court early enough, and that I could have

1065
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 3: been maybe a better singles player if I'd done that earlier.

1066
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: And then my injuries hurt me.

1067
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 3: But all the things, the only thing I have in

1068
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 3: my the only thing you have in your life is regret. Right,

1069
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: So I would say to anyone out there, like, don't

1070
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: have regrets.

1071
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: And the two worst words in the English language are

1072
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: if only.

1073
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I done this, which is why you don't

1074
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 2: make excuses for me. I exceeded my talents. I was mediocre,

1075
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 2: and I got to be decently good, and I was

1076
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: not on a question in my mind that I could

1077
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,959
Speaker 2: have done better. I couldn't have. Yeah, and that feels good. Actually, yeah,

1078
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: you know feels good is losing in my only professional

1079
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: challenger match and under thirty seven minutes cool to say

1080
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 2: that I did not really, that's it was not fun

1081
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: to experience. But you did it and I did and

1082
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Speaker 2: I was like, well, I guess that's my max, that's

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Speaker 2: I did it. I lost in the first round of

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Speaker 2: the Challengers. This is probably as good as I can do.

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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna keep trying as soon as i can

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Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna be downe.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, no, wif can I tell you real quick

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Speaker 3: before you finish? And we all know what happened to

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Speaker 3: my mom sadly like three and a half, not that

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Speaker 3: long ago. Anyway, I was reading a letter that she

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Speaker 3: wrote to me and she emailed to me, and she

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Speaker 3: went through some of my stuff and I had to

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Speaker 3: do this like years and years ago, like about my childhood.

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Speaker 3: And I do say to everyone to do that, like

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Speaker 3: have your parents like tell you a lot about their

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Speaker 3: childhood so you can write it down and nowadays just

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Speaker 3: video it, right. But one of the things my mom says, oh,

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Speaker 3: you're such a little thing. I'm paraphracing because I can't

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Speaker 3: remember her beta, but she said essentially, yeah, you lost

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Speaker 3: to whoever from Wollongong when you were seven, and you've

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Speaker 3: lost pretty badly, but you never let her beat you again.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, right, that's right. You know.

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Speaker 3: So for everyone out there and Amanda anissam Ova, you

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Speaker 3: might lose.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, And I went on a final.

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Speaker 3: You can come back and continue to have the most

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Speaker 3: remarkable year by making a US Open final and by

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Speaker 3: winning yesterday or two days ago in Beijing. I hope

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Speaker 3: that she has now layered her brain because I talk

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Speaker 3: about scar tissue in the brain and all those things

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Speaker 3: that tata I call it on her brain is gone

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Speaker 3: from Wondolon. I think she has now gotten to a

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Speaker 3: point where she feels like she learns so much about

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Speaker 3: herself and what not to do on the tennis court

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Speaker 3: under duress.

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Speaker 1: And I think the US Open.

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Speaker 3: Was another added layer to that that she has learned

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Speaker 3: so much about herself in the last two or three years.

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Speaker 3: But there is no doubt in my mind next year.

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Speaker 1: She will win a Grand Slam.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And I think I said the same thing with

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Speaker 3: Yixinner years ago before he won a Slam, that he

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Speaker 3: would definitely win one next year. And I'm going to

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Speaker 3: go on the record and say Amanda Anasamova will win

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Speaker 3: a Grand Slam.

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Speaker 2: Next year, no about it, if if if, thank you, nay, thanks,

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Speaker 2: Hi Sam, We'll see you next week.

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