Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.
Speaker 2: Welcome to it could happen here. My name is Garrison Davis.
Speaker 2: I am joined by James Stout and Nia Wong to
Speaker 2: talk about some of our favorite people to hate, the
Speaker 2: Heritage Foundation. Hello everybody, Hi Garrison.
Speaker 3: Hello, Oh god, I got brought in talk the Heritage Foundation.
Speaker 2: Oh no, what a week? What a week? So I mean,
Speaker 2: people have been talking a lot about the Heritage Foundation's
Speaker 2: Project twenty twenty five because it is a massive, massive
Speaker 2: document that is honestly too long to actually read, but
Speaker 2: it does. It does focus on LGBTQ issues for a
Speaker 2: decent a decent chunk of the book, mainly finding different
Speaker 2: ways to both legalize and protect discrimination against LGBTQ people
Speaker 2: and like banning the public presence of LGBTQ materials deemed
Speaker 2: deemed pornographic in public life, especially a schools, libraries, all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. Right, It's kind of this nationwide
Speaker 2: don't say gay bill type thing, along with legalizing it
Speaker 2: and protecting people's people's right to discriminate against for people.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of the bulk of the of the
Speaker 2: of the tactics that are laid out in the Heritage
Speaker 2: Foundation's Project twenty twenty five. But Trump and a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of Republicans have been doing a lot of work
Speaker 2: to distance themselves from this document. At the RNC, I
Speaker 2: was kind of surprised that, like, I did not hear
Speaker 2: a single, a single mention of Project twenty twenty five
Speaker 2: unless I was the one to bring it up when
Speaker 2: talking with people. They didn't. They didn't like talking about
Speaker 2: it because they know it's kind of this, like this
Speaker 2: toxic thing.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: They kind of showed their power level to use an
Speaker 2: ancient phrase.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who could possibly have guessed for the document where
Speaker 3: they talk about bringing back the gold standard was going
Speaker 3: to be unpopular with literally everyone, including their own base.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I don't think that's the reason why
Speaker 2: it's unpopular. I think it's all of like the dictator
Speaker 2: fascism stuff. But the gold standard bit's pretty funny. Even
Speaker 2: at the Heritage Foundation booth, not a peep about Project
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. It's like the biggest thing they've done
Speaker 2: in like the in the last decade. Arguably, not a
Speaker 2: single peep. But they did have a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: other like merch, a whole bunch of little pamphlets. Papers.
Speaker 2: I love papers, I love little documents.
Speaker 4: Little ephemera, printed epemera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love collecting all this little stuff. And it
Speaker 2: just sits on a pile on my desk for like,
Speaker 2: way too long. And in this case, it's set on
Speaker 2: a pile on my desk for about two months and
Speaker 2: the pile became too big and too unruly. And now
Speaker 2: we're going to actually go through the pile of stuff,
Speaker 2: right and talk about the types of things that the
Speaker 2: Heritage Foundation actually did have out on their table, specifically
Speaker 2: relating to gender identity. Oh good, which is their term
Speaker 2: of choice for these issues. Now, Like gender identity quote
Speaker 2: unquote transgender ism were were frequent talking points at the
Speaker 2: Republican National Convention, way more so than the Democratic National Convention,
Speaker 2: in which they were kind of just brushed aside as
Speaker 2: a political inconvenience. But at the R and C these
Speaker 2: things were front and center. Almost every single person giving
Speaker 2: a speech on the main stage at least name dropped
Speaker 2: gender ideology in some way to receive thunderous applause from
Speaker 2: the crowd. So it certainly was a very common topic
Speaker 2: brought up. And here's what the actual literature that was
Speaker 2: proliferating at the event had to say about it. So
Speaker 2: let's start. Let's start penphlet number one, how to speak
Speaker 2: up about gender identity, Questions and answers driving the debate,
Speaker 2: so it's a debate. Is the first thing we want?
Speaker 2: We need to know about gender identity? Again, I'm not
Speaker 2: just reading out all of their propaganda. I think there
Speaker 2: is some use in actually learning what they're saying in
Speaker 2: like their biggest convention and then actually not like debunking
Speaker 2: because like, come on, I know who are audiences, but
Speaker 2: at least actually laying out what they're saying and how
Speaker 2: it relates to like the actual information I think does
Speaker 2: does have sub use. So will I will be quoting
Speaker 2: from the Heritage Foundation saying some pretty stupid things, but
Speaker 2: then we will kind of springboard discussion, and I do
Speaker 2: have some little effect checks on some of the like
Speaker 2: these very common lies that you're now seeing like get
Speaker 2: repeated so often you may be trying to be tricked
Speaker 2: into thinking that they are real. So we're going to
Speaker 2: tackle the quote unquote the big questions, what are sex,
Speaker 2: gender and gender identity. I'm sure this five page pamphlet
Speaker 2: will tell me all I need to know about the
Speaker 2: topics of what our sex gender, gender identity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't wait to learn.
Speaker 2: They figured it out. They figured it out, there's this
Speaker 2: Centuries long discussions have been resolved. What do gender dyspory
Speaker 2: and transgender mean? And how do gender identity policies affect
Speaker 2: me and my community? I think this is largely targeted
Speaker 2: towards like I mean, it's turned towards people at the RNC,
Speaker 2: so like people in like their sixties, like grandparents.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is this so how to talk to your friend
Speaker 4: about the transgenders book? Kind of?
Speaker 2: Kind of it's more so like, oh, no, your grandkids
Speaker 2: are maybe a little gay with it?
Speaker 4: Grandchild?
Speaker 2: Exactly? What does that mean? What is that about? I
Speaker 2: think that's kind of what the main the main demographic is. Okay, anyway,
Speaker 2: here we go. The common understanding that there are only
Speaker 2: two sexes and human beings male and female, determined by
Speaker 2: each person's biology, has been the cultural norm and the
Speaker 2: basis for our laws since our nation's founding. Though, has it?
Speaker 2: That's a good question.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to do this because I will take
Speaker 4: fucking an hour, but this isn't true.
Speaker 2: It will? I know. Obviously they're not going to mention
Speaker 2: intersex people. They're not going to mention any any of
Speaker 2: that stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, or that like every indigenous culture has multiple gender words.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, no, no, we'll just leave that out because
Speaker 2: only recently have we seen a shift away from this
Speaker 2: objective and scientific no citation understanding towards an ideology that
Speaker 2: says a person's gender is determined by what they believe
Speaker 2: they are parenthesis gender identity rather than their biological sex,
Speaker 2: and should be legally recognized. The transgender movement has rapidly
Speaker 2: advanced laws and policies that give special rights and protections
Speaker 2: to some people while infringing on the rights of others. Now,
Speaker 2: this is a talking point that was brought up a
Speaker 2: lot when I was a kid around trans people. How
Speaker 2: they have special laws that give them more rights than
Speaker 2: your average person. And that's why, like a good like
Speaker 2: conservative basis should be opposed to them, even if you're like,
Speaker 2: you know, an accepting you may not like agree with them,
Speaker 2: but you're not going to kill them, but they shouldn't
Speaker 2: have like extra rights. That was a big thing is framing,
Speaker 2: Framing things that either protect trans people from discrimination or
Speaker 2: framing things that ensure their healthcare as like special extra
Speaker 2: rights not provided to like regular regular Americans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like a huge thing with just the
Speaker 3: basis of all political conservatism is they all believe that,
Speaker 3: like like, they all believe that immigrants have like a
Speaker 3: secret healthcare system that they have access to, and that
Speaker 3: like black people have like welfare, and that like indigenous
Speaker 3: people get into schools for free.
Speaker 2: And it's just like yep, No, it's all based on
Speaker 2: never talking to anyone who isn't like you. Yeah, in
Speaker 2: addressing the conflicts that emerge. In addressing the conflicts that emerge,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? The government must protect everyone's
Speaker 2: rights and fundamental freedoms. The introduction of the concept of
Speaker 2: gender identity into recent legislation raises concerns about privacy, safety, fairness, liberty,
Speaker 2: and its impact on children. It threatens the freedom of
Speaker 2: religion and conscience. What the freedom of conscience?
Speaker 4: What is mean?
Speaker 2: Because it's not just a religious objection. My conscience tells
Speaker 2: me that trans people are icky.
Speaker 3: Tells me I should have this person's house. Is that
Speaker 3: let me have it? I mean it should yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, my gons just tells me a whole lot
Speaker 4: of shit. It means you can't not like trans people.
Speaker 4: The government's going to come for you if you don't
Speaker 4: like trans people.
Speaker 2: Is that what they mean? I think they are legitimately
Speaker 2: scared of that. Yeah, okay, but it also threatens freedom
Speaker 2: of speech, equal protection, and parental rights. This radical redefinition
Speaker 2: of sex could dramatically alter our society, creating significant disadvantages
Speaker 2: for some, particularly women and girls. Okay, all right, so
Speaker 2: there we go. There that's that's that is. That is
Speaker 2: the introduction. Now onto page two. All individuals have human
Speaker 2: dignity and should be treated with respect citation needed, including
Speaker 2: those who identify as transgender and know they're very careful
Speaker 2: to never actually say trans people a transgender people. There's
Speaker 2: people who identify transgender, and there's there's transgender activists and
Speaker 2: gender ideology activists. They take great care to never actually
Speaker 2: say trans people are doing this. They say transactivists are
Speaker 2: doing this, right, increates this degree of separation. That's one
Speaker 2: kind of a little rhetorical tactic that I noticed when
Speaker 2: first looking through this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's this also kind of a legacy
Speaker 3: of the sort of trans tipping point and how accepted
Speaker 3: things had gotten. We're like, I remember this with like
Speaker 3: Alex Jones in like like even like twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three would say, like the most transphobic thing
Speaker 3: you've ever heard, but it would be prefaced with some
Speaker 3: trans people are fine people.
Speaker 2: I don't mean this to take people then say like
Speaker 2: coming to rape your dog or something. Yeah, yeah, anyway.
Speaker 2: But by labeling realistic concerns and scientific objections as oppressive,
Speaker 2: transgender activists have shut down open, robust dialogue over the
Speaker 2: consequences of gender ideology and gender identity policies. The serious
Speaker 2: real world effects of gender identity policies on individuals and
Speaker 2: communities must be taken into consideration. Many treatments promoted by
Speaker 2: transgender activists are untested, can cause serious side effects, and
Speaker 2: come with irreversible developmental consequences when performed on children. So
Speaker 2: this is this is my first kind of pause, because
Speaker 2: this is a claim that we've been seeing, i would say,
Speaker 2: at an increasing rate ever since Matt Walsh's documentary. This
Speaker 2: is like one thing that he really tried to like
Speaker 2: invent specifically that like quote unquote like puberty blockers cause
Speaker 2: like sterilization and like, yeah, you can't reproduce when you're
Speaker 2: on them, obviously, but you can when you go off them.
Speaker 2: But that's something that like they never talk about. They
Speaker 2: frame it as like this permanent thing. Samantha Rosenthal has
Speaker 2: an independent piece in the La Times that talks about
Speaker 2: like the very long history of trans healthcare in the
Speaker 2: United States. Modern trans healthcare goes back to the nineteen sixties,
Speaker 2: and hormone therapy has been used to assist cisgender children
Speaker 2: in puberty since at least the nineteen forties. These these
Speaker 2: things are not untested. These are medical practices with a
Speaker 2: long history. And saying that there's there's irreversible developmental consequences
Speaker 2: when performed on children, like the FDA approved hormone blockers
Speaker 2: for children back in nineteen ninety three. We've been using
Speaker 2: these for quite a long time, and these false claims
Speaker 2: are actually causing some like significant harm. I'm going to
Speaker 2: quote from ABC News here. Quote. England's National Health Service
Speaker 2: has banned the use of puberty blockers for the treatment
Speaker 2: of gendernyspia, or gender incongruence in transgender minors. The NHS
Speaker 2: has not stated it will restrict puberty blockers for non
Speaker 2: transgender children and young people. An NHS bookesperson told ABC
Speaker 2: News the agency hopes to have a study into the
Speaker 2: use of puberty blockers in place by December of this year,
Speaker 2: with eligibility criteria yet to be decided unquote. So they
Speaker 2: are just like starting to ban these. And of course
Speaker 2: we've seen this in the United States as well, but
Speaker 2: this is like the National Health Service. This is like
Speaker 2: a really a really big organization that's only banning it
Speaker 2: for trans people, not for cis gender children. So like
Speaker 2: it's really devastating.
Speaker 3: I think it's important to note too that this is
Speaker 3: the exact one of the exact same lines that anti
Speaker 3: vaxxers use, and you know that's anti vax campaigns have
Speaker 3: been a lot of these sort of model for how
Speaker 3: how a tax and TRANSOUTHCIA works. But like, yeah, this
Speaker 3: is this is literally the line that these same people
Speaker 3: will say about vaccines. It's like, oh, the RNA vaccine
Speaker 3: is like untested. Yeah, we tested in a motion of
Speaker 3: population and everyone's fine.
Speaker 4: So you know, I did a clinical trial for COVID
Speaker 4: vaccines before they were ready, did thousands of other people?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No. And in terms of puberty blockers, these have
Speaker 2: been used and tested for decades, Like these are not
Speaker 2: a new technology.
Speaker 3: It's it's even funnier because again it's like, well, well okay,
Speaker 3: so like we we will give them to CIST children.
Speaker 2: With this stuff. It shows I think it is I'm
Speaker 2: I read one other quote from a s ABC article
Speaker 2: quote The Endocrine Society and a national organization of more
Speaker 2: than eighteen thousand ender chronologists, calls the medication quote unquote
Speaker 2: fully reversible. Once blockers are stopped, puberty continues with little
Speaker 2: to no proven side effects, according to health professionals unquote.
Speaker 2: And there was a recent study in twenty twenty two
Speaker 2: in the journal Jama which found the use of puberty
Speaker 2: blocking drugs did not lead to an increased chance of
Speaker 2: receiving gender affirming therapy in the future, and actually we're
Speaker 2: slightly less likely to given the extra time to explore
Speaker 2: gender in the body without the onset of irreversible effects
Speaker 2: of puberty. Possible bone density losses largely remediated upon the
Speaker 2: presence of sex hormones, whether from either just to ceasing
Speaker 2: the blockers or starting HRT. And this study also says
Speaker 2: at the end that perhaps we should just stop using
Speaker 2: the term puberty blocker, because it makes it sound like
Speaker 2: it just completely blocks puberty, like from ever happening, like
Speaker 2: it just is like now you don't go through puberty,
Speaker 2: and instead opts to say, like, maybe we should just
Speaker 2: describe what the drug does mechanistically and clinically, because maybe
Speaker 2: maybe puberty blockers is just a it implies something more
Speaker 2: than what the drug actually like does temporarily. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: I found that to be an interesting note. And the
Speaker 2: whole point of of and this something well probably talk
Speaker 2: about later. The whole point of this drug is so
Speaker 2: that you can have more time to actually decide what
Speaker 2: you want to do with your body and your gender.
Speaker 2: And most people that do go on blockers, whether SIS
Speaker 2: or not, are doing it to prevent irreversible changes from puberty.
Speaker 2: And most people opt to not actually go on cross
Speaker 2: sex hormones. And that's like a successful treatment, Like that
Speaker 2: is that that is what the drug is supposed to do.
Speaker 2: But there's definitely this idea among these like anti transactivists
Speaker 2: that like, if you go on blockers, that means you're
Speaker 2: more likely to become quote unquote like fully trends in
Speaker 2: the future, which also just like isn't true. But do
Speaker 2: you know what is reversible.
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Speaker 2: I don't do the business thing. Anyway, here are the ads. Okay,
Speaker 2: we are back. Let's uh, let let's continue with this
Speaker 2: fine literature from our good enemies at the Heritage Foundation.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Great art and layout.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm noticing. It's it is. It is very
Speaker 2: well designed. Yeah, there's these there are some children, these
Speaker 2: poor kids, these poor stock photos of children. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sure they.
Speaker 4: I'm sure they gave the heartfelt consent to being used
Speaker 4: in it hate propaganda.
Speaker 2: The next section is called what are sex, gender and
Speaker 2: gender identity? The best biology, psychology, and philosophy all support
Speaker 2: and understanding that sex is a bodily reality and that
Speaker 2: gender is a social manifestation of bodily sex. The best biology.
Speaker 2: That's simply the best philosophy. Oh my gods. Now this
Speaker 2: claim actually does have a citation, so it's true. Now
Speaker 2: let me check the citation. The citation is oh oh
Speaker 2: oh wait, wait wait oh. The citation is when Harry
Speaker 2: became Sally responding to the transgender movement, The Anti trans
Speaker 2: Book of twenty eighteen by Ryan T. Anderson. Oh God,
Speaker 2: that's not a real philosophy, biology or psychology book. Oh okay, well.
Speaker 4: He won best Philosopher anyway, I don't know what you're
Speaker 4: talking about.
Speaker 2: The best all agree, that's so good now. Sex Sex
Speaker 2: is a biological reality referring to an organism's overall organization
Speaker 2: towards sexual reproduction in human beings, just like every other
Speaker 2: species that's sexually rep This organism includes the chromosomes we
Speaker 2: inherit from our parents and the reproductive organs systems sheenitalia
Speaker 2: and hormones that developed. As a consequence. As there are
Speaker 2: two reproductive systems, there are two sexes, just like every
Speaker 2: other species that sectually reproduces. This is completely consistent. I
Speaker 2: get no citation because that's not That is not how
Speaker 2: biology actually works. No, nor is your genitalia necessarily determined
Speaker 2: by your chromosomes. Nope? But sure, why not the best biology?
Speaker 2: All support this understanding there, Yeah, the best biology from
Speaker 2: a first grade textbook. Ye.
Speaker 3: Actually, that's unfair to first grade textbooks, which are largely
Speaker 3: blameless in this matter.
Speaker 2: It is. It is unfair.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No one's sticking genitalia in a first grade textbook.
Speaker 2: This organization. Isn't just the best way to figure out
Speaker 2: which sex you are, it's the only way to make
Speaker 2: sense of the concepts of male and female. Really really,
Speaker 2: yeah the way. Yeah, What an interesting sociological statement made
Speaker 2: by the Heritage Foundation that the only differences are purely
Speaker 2: mechanistical and there really is no social basis that determines
Speaker 2: what the concepts in male and female relate to. What
Speaker 2: an interesting opinion that I'm sure is consistent across all
Speaker 2: of the Heritage Foundations.
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's going to say, you can pull out
Speaker 4: another booklet and call them on their shit with their
Speaker 4: own words.
Speaker 2: Gender, by contrast, is the way one expresses their biological sex.
Speaker 2: We shouldn't pretend that there are no differences between male
Speaker 2: and female, because biological reality is that there are. We
Speaker 2: also shouldn't be trapped in rigid gender stereotypes. Transgender activists
Speaker 2: deny that sex is a bodily reality. They argue, once
Speaker 2: it's perceived, gender I entity represents to a person really is,
Speaker 2: even if it goes against their biological sex. They deny
Speaker 2: their biological reality by suggesting that biological sex was merely
Speaker 2: assigned at birth. A little known fun fact, you actually
Speaker 2: can like scientifically change your biological sex. Yeah, rules, it
Speaker 2: takes a little bit of time, it takes a little
Speaker 2: bit of effort, but your biological sex can actually just
Speaker 2: be like a completely changed. This is something that is
Speaker 2: not like set.
Speaker 3: Also, there is literally, there is literally physically a document
Speaker 3: where your doctor assigns.
Speaker 2: You a sex birth. Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, it is a box that they must tick. It's
Speaker 4: not even like a not a line that they get
Speaker 4: to write in whatever they want, you know.
Speaker 2: Like no, But the cool thing is is that when
Speaker 2: you change with sex hormones your body is dominant in
Speaker 2: it actually changes the sex and the functions of your body.
Speaker 2: Pretty interesting stuff. Actually, I don't care about my chromosomes,
Speaker 2: but as soon as we want to do more gene tampering,
Speaker 2: I guess that that could be fun, but I don't
Speaker 2: really care. You can also change body parts, so that's cool.
Speaker 2: I know they're working on those womb transplants, but I'm
Speaker 2: not into that freaky stuff anyway. According to the American
Speaker 2: Psychological Association, gender identity refers to a person's internal sense
Speaker 2: of being male, female, or something else, hey, something else nice.
Speaker 2: It is distinct from either sex or gender. Activists claim
Speaker 2: that it is a person's internal sense of gender, activists claim.
Speaker 2: They also assert that it's more than just male or female.
Speaker 2: It's fluid, and there's a spectrum of various options beyond
Speaker 2: man and woman, like a gender fluid, intergender, or non binary.
Speaker 2: I've never heard the term intergender before.
Speaker 4: That's yeah, that's it's a new one. But I guess
Speaker 4: if that knowledge the existence of intersex people, that kind
Speaker 4: of fucks up the premise of that whole thing.
Speaker 2: No, this is inter maybe.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, but yeah, maybe maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 3: They can't say intersect. Yeah, that destroys their whole ship.
Speaker 3: They've trisposed.
Speaker 2: Intersex isn't like an identity, it's like an actual, like
Speaker 2: completely like medical thing.
Speaker 4: I don't think that they fully understand this shit, Garrison.
Speaker 4: I think it's it's.
Speaker 2: You're right, You're sorry, Sorry, I forgot. I'm reading from
Speaker 2: a heritage.
Speaker 4: They may be coming from a place of hate.
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about gender dysphoria, now, let's gender
Speaker 2: dysphoria refers to the distress someone experiences when they have
Speaker 2: a disconnection between their bodily sex and internal sense of gender.
Speaker 2: The diagnostic label gender identity disorder was used by the
Speaker 2: DSM until it's reclassification as a gender dysphoria in twenty
Speaker 2: thirteen with the release of the DSM five. They really
Speaker 2: want that old DSM back. They want it so bad
Speaker 2: before the DSM went woke. They really want DSM four.
Speaker 2: Transgender can refer to a man who identifies as a
Speaker 2: woman or a woman who identifies as man some activists.
Speaker 2: Some activists go so far as to say that a
Speaker 2: trans woman is a woman. Crazy. Not all people who
Speaker 2: suffer from gender dysphoria identify as transgender, Not everyone who
Speaker 2: dentifies as transgender except from gender dysphoria. Surprisingly woke statement.
Speaker 2: It's a surprisingly controversial and woke statement from Heritage Foundation here,
Speaker 2: anti transman, anti truth, coum a foundation, What the fuck base?
Speaker 3: It's the seven people who get that. You're welcome for
Speaker 3: everyone else. I swear to God, that's very funny.
Speaker 2: It's a little funny. Oh funny. I was workshopping some
Speaker 2: kind of like Tumblr post style joke. But I still
Speaker 2: have like two pages of this pamphlet. So now, how
Speaker 2: do gender identity policies affect me and my community? The
Speaker 2: question on every Republican grandparents mind. The first area of
Speaker 2: concern privacy. Privacy concerns arise when a men who identify
Speaker 2: you as women can enter female only spaces, for example,
Speaker 2: changing rooms, gym class. They're doing bathroom stuff, that's what
Speaker 2: they're doing. The reason we have separate facilities in the
Speaker 2: first place is not because of a gender identity, but
Speaker 2: because of the bodily difference between males and females. That's interesting.
Speaker 2: I wonder what happens when some of those bodily differences
Speaker 2: start to change, or your social rules in mel fem
Speaker 2: walill also change, Like a young trans girl going into
Speaker 2: the men's bathroom. That could maybe a little bit uncomfortable anyway.
Speaker 2: Preventing sexual assault is another major area of concern when
Speaker 2: gender identity determines who may enter a women only space.
Speaker 2: Public safety experts such as Kenneth V. Lanning, former FBI
Speaker 2: Supervisory Special Agent assigned to the Behavioral Science Unit. They're
Speaker 2: doing the Buffalo Bill at the National Center for the
Speaker 2: Analysis of Violent Crime at the FBI Academy for over
Speaker 2: twenty years. It is just the Buffalo Bill. Guy explains
Speaker 2: that predators abuse gender and the policies to gain access
Speaker 2: to victims. While victims law enforcement become less likely to
Speaker 2: report incidents for fear of having misunderstood and being accused
Speaker 2: of discrimination. The primary concern is not that people who
Speaker 2: identify as trends will victimize women, but that predators will
Speaker 2: exploit to gender identity policies to do so. So this
Speaker 2: is interesting. They're actually not doing all trans women are
Speaker 2: secretly rapists. They are doing the what is actually more
Speaker 2: like more legit is that no, like men will be
Speaker 2: fucked up and men will like do fucked up shit.
Speaker 2: The thing is they don't need those policies to do
Speaker 2: fucked up shit. Men will do it regardless.
Speaker 3: You are the Heritage Foundation, your your base, your entire
Speaker 3: base are chuck is composed of churches who do this
Speaker 3: literally every day, Like come on, what are we doing here?
Speaker 2: But I find it interesting that they take this line
Speaker 2: of approach.
Speaker 3: I will say, this pamphlet feels like a much more
Speaker 3: sort of moderate So this feels like a gateway thing
Speaker 3: versus like the stuff that they're so that they actually believe,
Speaker 3: or like the sort of like more hardcore stuff that
Speaker 3: they they distribute.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure how to how to segue to
Speaker 2: an ad break from this one. I'll be honest, you know,
Speaker 2: what else the Heritage Foundation supports. Oh well, that is
Speaker 2: true capitalism and these ads that help fuel the turning
Speaker 2: machine of death and suffering. Haha, Okay, we are back.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about fairness. Gener Entity creates an unfairness when
Speaker 2: biological males. Biological males compete against females in sports and
Speaker 2: other activities. It also reduces girdle chances of winning athletic scholarships.
Speaker 4: The idea fucking title nine defense every.
Speaker 2: Time scholar I'm sure all those trends girls are taken
Speaker 2: of all the scholarships.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's just let's just see where the Heritage Foundation
Speaker 4: stood on fucking title nine, shall we when that came in.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they were totally supportive. Already, several high school
Speaker 2: girls have lost state championships. Is to quote boys who
Speaker 2: were allowed to compete against them. These two boys have
Speaker 2: won fifteen girls state championships that were held by ten
Speaker 2: females in the previous year. I tried to search some
Speaker 2: of these keywords to find exactly what they were talking about.
Speaker 2: The first result was from the reputable news publication the
Speaker 2: Daily Signal, which is a Heritage Foundation puppet site, and
Speaker 2: the article is just listing like a handful of like
Speaker 2: trans girls across the country who participated in school sports.
Speaker 2: And that's like, that's like all it is. And then
Speaker 2: of particular interest to James this next sentence, Oh, god,
Speaker 2: fucking man who identifies this some transgender? Well that's that's
Speaker 2: an interesting one. A man who identifies as a transgender
Speaker 2: has also won the women's cycling World's title.
Speaker 4: I know who they're talking about here. This is someone
Speaker 4: called for Runica Ivy. She was formerly known as Raychel
Speaker 4: mccannon when she won the world title. Okay, she won
Speaker 4: a UCI Women's Master's Track World Championship. If you want
Speaker 4: to find an event where gender affirming hormones are used
Speaker 4: on a regular basis, I suggest you check out the
Speaker 4: Men's Masters World Championship because every fucking year one of
Speaker 4: those dudes gets popped for using testosterone. And like, I
Speaker 4: don't see that in the Heritage Foundation's complaints, Like this
Speaker 4: is just asshole, really, they've she has been a particular
Speaker 4: target for these people. Cycling has been a particular target
Speaker 4: for these people for a very long time, and it's
Speaker 4: very funny that they continue to like put out this
Speaker 4: propaganda which completely misunderstands, like the things that let you
Speaker 4: win the Master's track World Championship are having money and
Speaker 4: having time, Like it is inherently unfair. It's it's a
Speaker 4: hobby sport, right, thirty five to forty four. There are
Speaker 4: not professional athletes in that age group, like the people
Speaker 4: doing this. So the people who have the time and
Speaker 4: the money, they buy the fancy bikes, they travel to
Speaker 4: the race. It's if you care, If you care about
Speaker 4: fairness in master's cycling, there are a million other places
Speaker 4: to go after it.
Speaker 2: This is bullshit. Well it's so it's so transparent because
Speaker 2: now the biggest trans sports controversy has been over a
Speaker 2: cist gender woman who just is appearing too masculine, right
Speaker 2: like, like the biggest thing, the biggest controversy in this whole
Speaker 2: trans women and sports thing at the Olympics ear earlier
Speaker 2: this year is just actually a cist gender woman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's the whole thing, right Like, policing the
Speaker 4: way people present their gender is what this is about
Speaker 4: for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're willing to throw anyone under the bus
Speaker 2: as long as it like puts forward like whatever disinformation
Speaker 2: they want with the soul purpose of just changing public opinion,
Speaker 2: not actually like caring about any of the people involved here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like a return to like I don't even
Speaker 4: think traditional gender roles, but like, let's just say nineteen
Speaker 4: thirties gender roles, not even nineteen thirties, right, women fighting
Speaker 4: in the spanishl War in the nineteen thirty.
Speaker 2: It's Victorian England gender rules.
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally, Like it is what they want, and like
Speaker 4: they're not throwing imonically funded a bus so much. She
Speaker 4: is part of a target because she's not a girly
Speaker 4: enough girl, right, she's a woman who punches other people
Speaker 4: in the face, and like that's not collateral damage to me.
Speaker 4: Like that is part of their thing, right, Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: not coincidental, but it was a boxer.
Speaker 2: It's part of their larger political project. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and obviously it's also their conception of womanhood is
Speaker 3: also highly racialized, yes, obvious reasons.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not coincidental there's an African woman, right.
Speaker 2: No, many of the trans girls who are listed in
Speaker 2: the Daily Signal article or transgirls of color that, yeah,
Speaker 2: that is who they're going after. They're going after like
Speaker 2: the most oppressed person and you can be in the country. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now onto onto one of our final chapters how transgenderism
Speaker 2: affects your personal liberty transgenderism. That's a good one. Trans
Speaker 2: Gender policies also violate our freedom of speech and freedom
Speaker 2: of conscience by forcing people to speak or act in
Speaker 2: ways contrary to their personal judgment and deeply held beliefs.
Speaker 2: In New York City, you can be fined up to
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for misgendering. What's the
Speaker 2: citation that they do have a citation? Okay, hit me,
Speaker 2: they do, go to the NYC Commission, and this isn't true.
Speaker 2: Despite the citation, they're trying to take like a city
Speaker 2: ordinance and twist it to make it sound like you
Speaker 2: will be fined a quarter of a million dollars for
Speaker 2: calling someone the wrong pronouns. And that's not what the
Speaker 2: audience is. Yeah, it's employment law, right correct. It was
Speaker 2: first written in the early two thousands. It was then
Speaker 2: revised in twenty fifteen. I'm going to quote from Snopes
Speaker 2: quote discrimination it gets a transgender individual could resultant finds
Speaker 2: to up to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. But
Speaker 2: these fines won't be handed out for accidentally misusing pronouns.
Speaker 2: According to the new guidelines, the Commission can impose civil
Speaker 2: penalties up to one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars
Speaker 2: for violations of the law, and extreme circumstances two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty thousand for violations that are the result of wilful,
Speaker 2: wanton and malicious conduct. Yeah, this is for like employment discrimination.
Speaker 3: Yeah, employment discrimination happens literally all the time, and it
Speaker 3: never there's almost ever conspluses for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's where this number comes from, right.
Speaker 4: And it's completely misleading to suggest it like the work
Speaker 4: police to get to find you.
Speaker 2: Correct, And it's not for misusing pronouns. It's for like
Speaker 2: extreme cases of like continuous harassment or like like like
Speaker 2: legal discrimination. The next sentence is, quote, both a high
Speaker 2: school teacher and a college professor have been sanctioned by
Speaker 2: their employers for using biologically correct terms with their students.
Speaker 4: Se Jordan Peterson.
Speaker 2: Now, obviously those terms are not biologically correct because you
Speaker 2: can scientifically change your biological sex. And what they're talking
Speaker 2: about here is no just teachers who are just like
Speaker 2: harassing their students, who are like calling them by like
Speaker 2: the wrong name, calling them by the wrong pronouns, like
Speaker 2: if you did that like assist person over time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you would also get in trouble because that's just like harassment.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and like you're just a shit teacher. If
Speaker 4: you're fucking going after your students for who they are,
Speaker 4: then yeah, you probably shouldn't be a teacher.
Speaker 2: They then talk about how transactivists are trying to get
Speaker 2: medical providers to provide like gender firming health care. They're
Speaker 2: complaining how Catholic hospitals are getting in trouble for not
Speaker 2: wanting to do gender firming health care. They talk about
Speaker 2: like an Obama mandate that forces health care plans to
Speaker 2: cover gender firming health care and making sure that physicians
Speaker 2: actually have to do it even if they personally like
Speaker 2: don't want to be like no, this is like your job.
Speaker 2: You have to provide health care. So they complain about
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, and then the last section
Speaker 2: of the pamphlet is on child development. TRANSNT ideology is
Speaker 2: now promoted in schools where children are taught that gender
Speaker 2: is fluid, falls along a spectrum, and is detached from
Speaker 2: bodily sex. In addition, activists seek to punish anyone who
Speaker 2: expresses anyone'serveces about radical treatment plans for gender dysphoric children.
Speaker 2: These plans can include socially transitioning children as young as four,
Speaker 2: administering puberty blocking drugs as young as nine, cross sex
Speaker 2: hormones as a young as fourteen, and surgery as young
Speaker 2: as eighteen. This ideology threatens parental rights. In Ohio, a
Speaker 2: Catholic family lost custody of their daughter when they oppose
Speaker 2: treatment of gender dysphoria with cross sex hormones. So, actually,
Speaker 2: this is actually a pretty good breakdown of like how
Speaker 2: gender like affirming healthcare could work. Is Yeah, if a
Speaker 2: kid wants to like socially start transitioning very young and
Speaker 2: they want to, yes, that's great, there's no harm in that.
Speaker 2: If getting on puberty blockers at around nine, that makes sense,
Speaker 2: hormones as a teenager, yeah, and surgery maybe a little
Speaker 2: bit later. Yeah, that all seems quite quite reasonable. And
Speaker 2: in terms of this Catholic family, So a transfer of
Speaker 2: parents lost custody of their seventeen year old trans son
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen after inducing suicidal idea for refusing to
Speaker 2: let their child receive hormone therapy prescribed by a medical
Speaker 2: team who had been treating the child for two years.
Speaker 2: Custody was transferred to his grandparents. So this wasn't the
Speaker 2: state just like stealing this child away. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: you're like basically abusing this kid, So we're going to
Speaker 2: move custody over to the grandparents. Also, like you're opposing
Speaker 2: this for a seventeen year old, this is almost like
Speaker 2: a full legal adult. I'm going to qute from CNN here. Quote.
Speaker 2: The parents' attorney had argued that the child was not
Speaker 2: even quote close to being able to make such a
Speaker 2: life altering decision at this time. Unquote. The county prosecuting
Speaker 2: attorney argued that the parents wanted to stop the treatment
Speaker 2: because it violated their religious beliefs unquote. So yeah, you're
Speaker 2: so scared that this seventeen year old is going to
Speaker 2: make a choice that you personally find a little bit icky,
Speaker 2: Like ka'bah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm pretty sure you can legally I emantipate yourself
Speaker 4: at seventeen, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and usually you have like medical freedom, at least
Speaker 2: in an Oregon you have medical freedom at sixteen. I
Speaker 2: don't know what the case by case basis is in
Speaker 2: a lot of states. Yeah, but that's that's pretty fucked up. Now,
Speaker 2: there is nothing in coverage about this family being Catholic
Speaker 2: heritage might be conflating this other story from Indiana where
Speaker 2: Catholic family lost custody of their transkid in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: one for alleged child abuse, and then earlier this year,
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court declined to hear the parents' case. So
Speaker 2: so there you go, big health for them. They then
Speaker 2: talk about quote unquote research, what the research says about transition.
Speaker 2: The view that social medical transition is the appropriate treatment
Speaker 2: for people, including children, who feel at odds with their
Speaker 2: biological sex, is becoming more widely accepted. However, transitioning treatment,
Speaker 2: including puberty blocking hormones for children and sex change surgeries
Speaker 2: for teens and adults, come with serious consequences. Today, parents
Speaker 2: are told that puberty blockers and cross sex hormones may
Speaker 2: be the only way to prevent their child from committing suicide. However,
Speaker 2: according to the DSM five, as many as ninety eight
Speaker 2: percent of gender confused boys and eighty eight percent of
Speaker 2: gender confused girls eventually accept their biological sex after naturally
Speaker 2: passing through puberty. Okay, let's go over this because there's
Speaker 2: some weird phrasing here, Because no, that's not it. That's
Speaker 2: all with the DSM, actually, says A writer named Micah
Speaker 2: b broke down this claim in a medium post from
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. This exact sentence has been reusing a lot
Speaker 2: of like writing publications over time, so accept their biological
Speaker 2: sex after naturally passing through puberty. It's a very like
Speaker 2: loaded phrase. Like a child who suffers from genitusphoria may
Speaker 2: receive like treatment, whether that's through like like speech therapy
Speaker 2: like talking about it with with the therapist, or hormone blockers,
Speaker 2: and they may then choose to cease treatment and go
Speaker 2: through their natural puberty. Right like that is, but yeah,
Speaker 2: that's not them like like qu one unquote like naturally
Speaker 2: passing through puberty. Like no, that that also involves a
Speaker 2: degree of treatment. Now, the reason why these numbers are
Speaker 2: might be a little bit kind of odd and also
Speaker 2: they're just false, like the way that they're like being
Speaker 2: framed here. But in particular for kids, like the criteria
Speaker 2: for children and having genitysphoria is different from the criteria
Speaker 2: for teens and adults, right, those mean different things. They
Speaker 2: also say as many as ninety eight percent as many
Speaker 2: reason I'm saying because the DSM five actually says that
Speaker 2: quote in natal males, persistence has ranged from two point
Speaker 2: two percent to thirty percent. In natal females, persistence has
Speaker 2: ranged from twelve percent to fifty percent. So they took
Speaker 2: the lowest possible number and switched the stat around by
Speaker 2: saying that as many as ninety eight percent eventually accept
Speaker 2: their quote unquote biological sex. So that's that's a cute
Speaker 2: little little flip around. And then also, according to the DSM,
Speaker 2: a majority of boys sixty three to one hundred percent
Speaker 2: who quote unquote grow out of gend dysphoria just later
Speaker 2: turn out to be gay. Right, there is a difference
Speaker 2: between like gender dysphoria versus like gender deviance. That's why you, yeah,
Speaker 2: you should like work with an actual medical team if
Speaker 2: you have like a kid who's like pre puberty, who
Speaker 2: has a degree of gender variance, because yeah, that could
Speaker 2: result in a whole bunch of a whole bunch of things,
Speaker 2: and the fact that some of them just grow up
Speaker 2: to be like gay kids is like the result of
Speaker 2: like successful medical treatment, and like it's like like a
Speaker 2: loving family, Like that is a good outcome. Similarly, the
Speaker 2: DSM says that thirty two to fifty percent of girls
Speaker 2: whose gender dysphoria does not persist later identify as gay.
Speaker 2: So there we go. That's pretty pretty pretty average stuff.
Speaker 2: They then go onto list all of the quote unquote
Speaker 2: side effects of gender affirming treatment, saying quote meanwhile, radical
Speaker 2: gender affirming therapies post serious medical risks, including disfiguring acne,
Speaker 2: high blood pressure, weight gain, abnormal glucose tolerance, breast cancer,
Speaker 2: liver disease, thermioprosis, and cardiovascular disease. These are all the
Speaker 2: consequences of just puberty. Yeah, like, depending on what puberty
Speaker 2: you go through, Yeah, it's gonna have different effects. That's
Speaker 2: just how puberty worries. They also include uh, and of
Speaker 2: course sterility, and this is this is still a hotly
Speaker 2: debated topic. There are some recent studies that show that
Speaker 2: there's actually a pretty good chance of people who go
Speaker 2: on estrogen being able to like regain fertility after after
Speaker 2: like a six months of ceasing treatment. It's not consistent, right,
Speaker 2: everyone who everyone who goes on like HRT has an
Speaker 2: understanding that it can affect how they reproduce in the future.
Speaker 2: You're definitely encouraged to, like, if you want to have
Speaker 2: kids or think you might want to have kids in
Speaker 2: the future, Like you can save your sperms, you can
Speaker 2: save your eggs, you can you can get that stuff
Speaker 2: ahead of time. Yeah, but this is also something that
Speaker 2: people are like working on of being able to like
Speaker 2: maintain the ability to have kids even like during or
Speaker 2: like after. Gender affirming health care treatment has like commenced.
Speaker 2: So that's cool. Finally, quote puberty blocking therapies and cross
Speaker 2: sex hormones non reversible, largely untested, and highly dangerous, especially
Speaker 2: for children. We've already we've already talked about how all
Speaker 2: of that is not true. We've already gone through all
Speaker 2: of that. Sex assignment surgeries have not been shown to
Speaker 2: reduce the extraordinarily high rate of suicide attempts among people
Speaker 2: who identify as transgender forty one percent compared to the
Speaker 2: general population's four point six percent. So this is also
Speaker 2: just like not true, Like everything, it's just not true. Also,
Speaker 2: there's no there's no citation here. A pear of you
Speaker 2: studying the Journal of adlast in Health found that hormone
Speaker 2: therapy for trans youth reduced the rate of depression and
Speaker 2: suicide by forty percent. It also found that having like
Speaker 2: parental support during this process also like heavily impacts the
Speaker 2: effectiveness of this treatment, specifically on depression and suicide. Like
Speaker 2: if if you're going through this treatment and your parents
Speaker 2: still hate you, yeah, that's going to actually, it's going
Speaker 2: to hurt the ability of this healthcare to actually be
Speaker 2: effective mentally. An investigation by doctors of the University of
Speaker 2: Washington found that trans youth who received gender if herming
Speaker 2: healthcare reduced their risk of suicide by seventy three percent
Speaker 2: compared to those who do not receive care, and a
Speaker 2: policy brief in the VA wrote quote. Since in nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy five, more than two thousand scientific studies have examined
Speaker 2: gender affirming care, supported by over thirty leading medical associations,
Speaker 2: including the World Health Organization and the American Medical Association,
Speaker 2: gender affirming care is deemed evidence based and effective at
Speaker 2: reducing suicide rates. This is all widely understood. This is
Speaker 2: such like a non objectionable stance that even famous woke institution,
Speaker 2: the VA, is like, yeah, no, it's actually really effective. Okay,
Speaker 2: And now actually, finally, for this pamphlet quote, the most
Speaker 2: helpful therapies for children experiencing gender dysphoria do not try
Speaker 2: to remake the body to conform with thoughts and feelings,
Speaker 2: which is impossible, not impossible, but rather but rather to
Speaker 2: help people find healthy ways to manage their tension and
Speaker 2: move towards accepting the reality of their bodies. Unfortunately, fifteen
Speaker 2: states have passed laws of banning talk therapy for miners
Speaker 2: who struggle with gender dysphoria, and there's a bill in
Speaker 2: Congress which would do the same. There's no bill banning
Speaker 2: talk therapy. This is a conversion therapy, bann This isn't
Speaker 2: This isn't like actual talk therapy, which is a part
Speaker 2: of like actual healthcare treatment. This is against like conversion therapy.
Speaker 2: That is what they're actually talking about. So that is
Speaker 2: the bulk of the pamphlet. I also got given this
Speaker 2: this other kind of I think it's called a fact sheet,
Speaker 2: which is ironic by the Heritage Action Group, which is
Speaker 2: the kind of lobbying activist arm branch of Heritage. It
Speaker 2: goes over a whole bunch of like the same stuff.
Speaker 2: They particularly don't like that the Department of Education released
Speaker 2: a report banning the use of offensive and inappropriate terms
Speaker 2: like mother and father in school. This isn't true. What
Speaker 2: they're talking about is that there's been a push to
Speaker 2: include this more gender neutral language, like instead of saying
Speaker 2: your mom and dad, just say parents. Like, yeah, that
Speaker 2: makes sense. That's specifically what they're complaining about. They complain
Speaker 2: about like books and schools. They call The Gender Queer
Speaker 2: a graphic novel, a book riddled with pornographic and pedophilic content.
Speaker 2: Not true. It's just simply isn't true. All these kind
Speaker 2: of old lies that we have talked about on the show,
Speaker 2: like many times before. And then they also just rehash
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of the claims from the other pamphlet.
Speaker 2: They talk about the claim that in Virginia a girl
Speaker 2: was actually assaulted by a teen boy pretending to be
Speaker 2: a girl, and this is not an isolated incident. We've
Speaker 2: talked about that claim before. This was a fake story
Speaker 2: invented by the Daily Wire. This person was not trans.
Speaker 2: This was someone who was in a relationship with this
Speaker 2: girl who's actually assaulted her in a bathroom. Not a
Speaker 2: trans person, just a regular CIS gender male. And then
Speaker 2: they talk about sports. They talk about how men have
Speaker 2: more upper body mass and that puberty blockers do not
Speaker 2: change height, organ sized, skeletal structure, muscle mass or any
Speaker 2: of the biological characteristics that make men unequal. Opponents absolutely
Speaker 2: do hormones. Literally, they just list all the things that
Speaker 2: hormones actually change, like, they actually famously do change all
Speaker 2: of those things, height, skeletal structure, organ size, and muscle mass.
Speaker 2: Those are the main things. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, if that wasn't the case, you could just
Speaker 4: take testosterone and it wouldn't affect you.
Speaker 2: Apparently, Yeah, famously testosterone never changes your muscle mass.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just and sounds stronger man who never benefited.
Speaker 2: They also complained about how the biing administration is want
Speaker 2: of people to use preferred pronouns if you work in government,
Speaker 2: which again is just trying to stop people from like
Speaker 2: harassing by using the wrong pronouns. It's it's all just
Speaker 2: ways to prevent harassment. And they complain about all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff as well. So it's a lot a
Speaker 2: lot of the same stuff from the pamphlets. A it's
Speaker 2: a pretty fun little fact sheet. Those are the two
Speaker 2: main pamphlets that were going around the R and C
Speaker 2: about gender ideology. That was kind of the most in
Speaker 2: depth it ever got. Most of the speeches did not
Speaker 2: even get into any specifics. They just like threw out
Speaker 2: keywords fractual like discussion, this is, this is this is
Speaker 2: the most in depth stuff they have, So this is
Speaker 2: largely like the bulk of like the average RNC attendees knowledge.
Speaker 2: This is actually probably more in depth than most average
Speaker 2: RNC attendees, at least in terms of what Heritage is
Speaker 2: putting out publicly, that is, their talking points, Any any
Speaker 2: kind of closing thoughts.
Speaker 4: Here, just dog shit. I don't know what to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really quite bad. It's not my favorite. But honestly,
Speaker 2: I think it's just so poorly written, and I don't
Speaker 2: know how effective this is. It could be a lot
Speaker 2: more transphobic. Oddly enough, they have a lot of like
Speaker 2: the same lies that the right has been like workshopping
Speaker 2: around certain claims around like trans healthcare and specifically how
Speaker 2: it relates to like kids. But I honestly don't see
Speaker 2: this as a very effective messaging for Heritage. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think it is that like.
Speaker 4: It's that pathway to hate thing, you know that, like
Speaker 4: your grandchild has a nose pacing.
Speaker 2: How do you deal with this? Yes, that like it.
Speaker 4: It's it's not if you come at it too hard,
Speaker 4: people are going to be like what the fuck, but
Speaker 4: it gets people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mosto want to go over this because like
Speaker 2: we're gonna be entering the holiday season pretty soon, so
Speaker 2: whatever whatever Thanksgiving or Christmas dinners you're forced to attend. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, if if people start talking with that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, it's probably gonna be claims that are similar
Speaker 2: to some of the stuff in here. And these things
Speaker 2: are like very easy to like research, especially all of
Speaker 2: the like puberty blocking stuff like that. There's that's it's
Speaker 2: so easy to be like this just isn't true. And
Speaker 2: most of them just have no idea because if the
Speaker 2: information they're getting is in line with this kind of thing,
Speaker 2: it's it is just an alternate reality that that they
Speaker 2: are living in. Yeah, and some of them are fueled
Speaker 2: by like actual ideological hatred, and some of them are
Speaker 2: just actually like legitimately just like misinformed. And that's something
Speaker 2: like I can't tell you how your family thinks because
Speaker 2: I don't know your family, but it is it is
Speaker 2: a good thing to to like keep in mind that
Speaker 2: there is ways to talk about some of the sort
Speaker 2: of things. There's also if you just want to avoid
Speaker 2: avoid it all together and play Nintendo in the basement
Speaker 2: during Thanksgiving dinner with your cousins. That's also yeah sometimes
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